#Garnet
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I discovered if you get turned to a dog by Rick you get to spam your troll tactics
Like d1
Favorite useless texh
It is what it is
Anyway
Im really looking for next tourney
I played 2 in release version xD
And one being garnet one
Represent us as garnets fross
Pauly represents best for now
He and that second guy from na
They both had top 8
I was top 17
Fross are you getting gm?
Probably not
You need to play more than one character to Reach gm
I use the work excuse alot but yeah
I cannot afford to no life the game THAT hard
Well atleast they didn't just expand the ranks and inflate masters
Diamond 1 was tough tho
I forgot Grand Masters was even a thing
not even gonna think about it
the sheer sweaty spamcheese that probably goes into getting Top 100 in the world makes me wanna hurl
Iโll think about it if they buff garnet
It's not even like.
Get top 100
It's. Gain the most rp
Getting everyone to silver is better than getting 1 to masters
YOU MF


:3
Does sair one combo to rockets?
I'M SORRY
Forgot that was you lmao
Did yall meet up in 2s?
Same, it's tough enough just getting to masters
FORGIVE MEEEEEEEEE

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we did, Skittles hit me with a 
that felt personal
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Why don't i ever meet up w ya guys in masters. I only get wonder woman's
Now himothy trying take my points
Not on my watch
I dont lose garnet mirrors in ranked

Well I just started 2v2s with Marvin so I'm only in Silver
I'm gold 3 on my brother's account. So maybe we'll fight
My points 
Wonder what's going to be changing about ranked
Would be cool to have placement matches
only certain change is being able to skip out on rematching
Yeah
which is good for 2v2s where you're stuck with dead weight
or someone who's definitely just afking
That's good. Tho they make you take full penalty

Winners shouldn't be allowed to not rematch tho
Also if I surrender does my teamate surrender?
Do we have to agree?
I don't want toddlers to lose one and go. Welp ggs
you sure don't ๐ญ
I still remember the bruises you gave me
2s is so fun fr
Tho next season maybe I'll grind 1s
Just to have masters in 1s once
To prove my power
Goood luck
Grind is real
Youโll find a rhythm in games then get put vs gizmo or t&j just to shid on your session
Main con
Beetle juice looking fun
I'm dreading the snake door
It's a really nasty move
Like. You do not punish a landing bj
Hopefully he just. Isn't busted
Smith can shoot one bullet into Bugs rocket and delete it from existence
I still don't think Garnet gauntlets should be heavy projectile, but just let it move better
True
Hoping for more tech

If down attack hitstun was more consistent like morty dirt i could optimize more
Sweet, got to Gold with Marvin
that'll do for tonight
now we wait for the patch tomorrow

In 2s, yeah. I've only encountered a Velma twice in 1s.
i had 2 in a row then another one 2 matches later
My precious points 
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Impasta!!!
AMONG US
Going rest dm me the garnet patch sauce
Bro this is bad, I'm at work and all I can think about is the patch, get me outta here ASAP.
When does the patch actually drop
I'm headed to work now too lmao
I really hope they don't just keep speeding the game up with stuff like their pseudo wavedash. This doesn't need to be melee
Itโs not me I swear

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w h e r e p a t c h
Who is patch?
but nobody asks how is patch... ๐ญ
Fr, patch has feelings too
Yar be patch
Thank you! The speed of the game is fine
you are not ready for wavedashing iron giant
Ngl I dunno how useful that double ground bounce tech thing is
Maybe for characters like Iron Giant Jason and Iโm guessing Garnet, but besides them I donโt see many characters struggling with that
Cause like who double down airs anymore?
did you even seen how much momentum it gives?
Yeah?
The double down air thing
Fair
I dunno how useful that jab low priority thing is gonna be
It's gonna stop nair sair 1 down jab dash. Since nair bounces. But just clap instead
wave dashing may be the most imprtant thing they added but people did not register it yet
It's gonna be useful as all lord
Cause I canโt think of many moves that would even be fast enough for reaction to jabs like Joker or Finn
Tbh
You can sair 1 jabs now
jabversus no more
What was the wave dashing part?
Jab versus
Was that the dodge near ground thing?
y
Oh ok
same
Batman side air off of that is gonna go crazy
Oh yeah that will probably take priority now
So indirect shoulder bash buff
y
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
YEEEEEES
AND MORE GARNET BUFFS OUTSIDE INDIRECT ONES
LEZZGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Shoulder bashing into jabs

This sounds kinda toxic actually

nah
what do you mean
bashing 30 times in one match is completly fine
Yeah but like
Barely anyone uses Garnet
Plus the second PFG sees any mid tiers and below do anything even remotely cool or strong theyโll remove it
Canโt have the mid tiers doing top tier techniques
No jab as an anti tool
PATCH NOOOOTES
Garnet
Ground Side Attack 2 (Side)
- Now applies armor on start-up
Ground Neutral Attack - Hitbox size increased to better match visuals
- Hitbox active duration increased 4 frames to better match visuals
Air Neutral Attack - Start-up window before charge reduced 3 frames
Air Up Attack
โ First hit hitbox size reduced to better match visuals
we got our armor back on jab2
Nice
the nair buff is interesting
cuz i use nair as a combo starter often
not sure how i feel about the up air nerf? like why
Supes' loops depend on the ground bounce, so the tech helps escape that BS
Also T&J's BS slingshot into paddle, which can be avoided but is still annoying if you DO get caught
1.25 seconds for tilts ๐
I'm reading them now
I dig the Arya hurtbox adjustment, maybe now our combo can actually work on her
arya, gizmo and marvin got head hurtbox increased thank god
and that ridiculous knockback got nerfed too? awesome

GIZMO TOO?? YESSSSSS
This is exactly what they needed
ya i always thought the smallest characters were op and needed hurtbox adjustments
Black Adam weight reduced, now it'll be easier to kill that campy bastard
i'm glad that lebron got reverted after the ground bounce changes
I KNOW omfg i always thought black adam was way too heavy for his mobility
Laughing that Bugs got zero changes
taz is an assassin now
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nair buff
Yeah. He shouldn't be that heavy with double flight and extra dodges.
nair buff is huge
ya def
oh wait, misread
3 frames faster
imo nair didnt need a buff at all it was already good but this just makes it even more busted
I wish that they made sair 1 and sair 2 connect better and our up air
3 frames faster nair
also our neutral attack got hitbox increased LOL.....
Curious if it Nair can be used in combos now.
nair could always be used in combos
up air hitbox nerf is gonna nerf some di read confirms but i cant imagine its that bad
i used it as a combo starter all the time
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Starter, yes. Not really mid combo.
oh you mean midcombo u wanna use nair?
i hope the up special can't kill
it was "made more horizontal"
and the charge time of arrow is reduced
i was so pissed when he held the arrow
I think the cap on charge time for his arrow is huge actually
not really
i think so too
They really went after held moves. Finn got hit hard.
most gizmo players will just charge and store the arrow
the smart ones will, a lot of them don't
if anything the gizmo changes were a buff, his up special will kill way earlier
most of them do
they absolutely destroyed Rick but didnt touch morty at all thats crazy
destroyed Jack too
jack didnt need anything
joker got his jab range nerfed thats amazing
Ahh, so there was an issue with the Resurrectionist Perk, that explains why I lost that one 2v2 with Jason
Marvin's a Mage now, good
no other changes besides hurtbox, good

Morty got some delay frames and that's all...
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Btw
Does classes have any effects?
rick got reworked but morty didnt get any changes at all
rick was actually kinda fair albeit annoying
morty just isnt
velma looks like she will b really strong now
Nope, they're just classifications based on playstyle
i dont think the velma changes will do enough to make her viable
Marvin definitely plays more like a Mage than an Assassin
assassins used to take 1 extra damage in beta
same for Morty being a Mage instead of a Bruiser
velma was just so incredibly weak i doubt these changes will make much of a dent
velma gota brand new move and 1 rework on her side special
jack didnt need nerfs imo
i always thought velma was quite strong in 2's. my friend is in masters and i can see what he does with her.
i never had problems with jack
erm when update
the jacks i lost to were just better than me
the jack nerfs dont seem game breaking to me or 2 severe
I'm getting sick of the way he just spams side special in 2v2s so this is necessary
He just needs hitbox fixes
While Yes Marvin does have a lot of projectiles he mostly had to use them in combos to get anywhere really
It's avoidable, but it's the principle of the matter
And maybe shouldnโt kill as early
in twos i can imagine him being harder to deal with
im a ones person so idk much about twos
Take my word for it: he's insufferable
Shaggy's Rage attacks can't break armor anymore...
im sad for the nerfs for ones tho
so we can actually clash with him and survive
that's great
hated that we just lost the punch vs kick interaction
the SJ nerfs will put him in like C tier or D tier for ones
he was in A tier before imo
We can remove bubble stacks by hitting Steven, that's good
now we don't have to tiptoe around him until it times out
his air down attack
hate that shield
his shield needs to have startup nerfs
are there patch notes already?
it just does too much to have that little startup
W
lebron got his down special back
no changes to Taz
that's an L
w to the lebron buffs i mean
Bros an assassin now
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Ground Side Attack 2 (Side)
- Now applies armor on start-up
Ground Neutral Attack - Hitbox size increased to better match visuals
- Hitbox active duration increased 4 frames to better match visuals
Air Neutral Attack - Start-up window before charge reduced 3 frames
Air Up Attack
โ First hit hitbox size reduced to better match visuals
That was like a beta thing
which one is ground side attack 2? the little shockwave?
oh i didnโt know that
we got beta jab2 back
Our two-handed ground slam, it used to have armor in the beta, now it's back

feels good
Omg Garnet buffs ๐โโ๏ธ
jay
Love to see it
How're you feeling about the Velma buffs
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they are really good and I think she's gonna b strong
nair is better yesss
I'm happy you guys got buffs we keep getting nerfed over here with Steven...
velma will b killer in 2's
@novel copper Iโm about to look for a new main ๐
the bubble stack adjustment was deserved, y'all had too much fun chasing us around
the sad thing about steven nerfs is that not a lot of ppl play steven

Iโm going to miss the funny word bubble combos
I mean I understand why they did that. That I'm fine with
they didnโt even touch wonder woman instant armor on side special
or whatever her shield side move is
they did touch WW.... pretty big nerf to her armor
I really like these patch notes. I think they are fair
u can't buy with fighter currency? wtf
only for 3 days
omg i need to stop swearing on this server. I keep getting locked out for 5 minutes
it's a shield, basically just blocks damage from the front period, unless you hit it with a charged attack like Garnet's punch
I like that Velma has a down spec cooldown move, may explore that in the lab
all in all these are solid adjustments
now we wait for maintenance to end
Agree
How has the cult of Garnet been
WE ARE?
Ground Side Attack 2 (Side)
+ Now applies armor on start-up
They posted patch notes on twitter, always where you can see them first.
They suck so bad at updating in the discord
yeah, garnet gets massive improvements with this patch, not just her personal buffs, but just like, she benefits a lot from the overall movement tech too
praise the lort

Same with all rage attacks btw
-Armor on Ground side attack 2
Garnet bros we are so back
Can someone plz test if neutral punch still hits behind when they can
They increased punch size
maybe im just bad but a velma sauced me
Velma is buffed rn
Just flat out behind her? nah it doesn't
Did any of you guys figure out how to get the ground dodge to work?
ik i'm like 2 seconds in but
No way it used to hit behind
Diagnol dodge towards the ground and it'll turn into a grounded dodge. Jump out of that. You keep the extra speed
The netcode made a huge difference holy shiz
You'll Know cause you slide off. And yeah don't hold dodge anyways
nah i was holding the angle
How we feel about the garnet buffs
I do hella dmg in games now, neutral air is super strong
HOLY NAIR BUFF IS INSANE
feeling like steven but bigger
Wait nairs good again?
nairs been good
now its just absolutely broken
might be a little hard for me to get used to but this is an amazing change
Nair being faster will go hard
something to get used to
they gutted finn good lord
first online match against a finn this character is actually just little mac now
superman is still annoying
yeah, but at least his bounce loop is gone right?
he can no longer loop but
i genuinely think finn is a dead character now
nowhere near viable anymore
these nerfs hit him way too hard
Is ground neutral actually good now
Yeah Ive been getting easy confirmed hits
the biggest nerf is air neutral attack. Everything else is whatever imo
anyone that knows patience wont struggle against him anymore
just run away till he stops charging
punish the consistently timed whiff
congrats!!
Had to beat a master 1 morty for it
playing garnet like joker is the best thing for my mental health
thats not something i ever thought i'd hear anyone say
garnets playstyle is hardly anything like jokers at all
Does garnet feel slower now?
I played her last night and it felt smooth and now its like so janky
weird
like it felt so smooth yesterday but today i feel like shes just like dragging along
nair got buffed significantly, jab 2 forward got armor, neutral grounded attack got buffed active frames, up air got a slight hitbox nerf
she should be faster than before with the buffed nair
no
they supposedly nerfed it by adding the auto teching but i dont think it did much
kinda dissapointing patch tbh
I will be back in like 1,5 h
Will test it all
big disagree, this patch was huge not only for garnet but for the overall meta
finn is not meta anymore!!
Liking titan's tower so far too
nair buff feels pretty good ngl lol
i was a nair abuser before but this will make it even worse
i know
im just not impressed tbh
they keep saying stuff like theyre gonna make velma better
but wont just overhaul stuff
velma and rick got minor reworks wdym
Not impressed by velma
velma didnt get buffed enough but her rework is a significant step in the right direction
which is good but like its been 3 months?
and shes still like F tier
i mean
no one uses her and no ones pushing her meta
devs dont know what needs changing
this is their shot in the dark
Nice to have a decent map
the top 5 velmas in masters are cooking. U guys don't even know
Titans tower
reverting to beta
at least in some ways
i hate it when people say "just revert to beta!!! its so much better!!!" beta died for a reason
I mean she was missing an attack until now and its just not good
Her megaphone takes too long to charge
lack of combos
Tech roll game changer
theres like no control of it tho
Low key a nerf for steven too
u can tilt it up and down
yea thats it tho
garnet got buffs? that's sick
U cant angle it like in beta

this new nair is a great approach
shes pretty decent in 2
Just wait three days dude

Got plenty of fighter currency saved up
There is not more doomer chat than garnet one. I swear.
Our worst match ups got nerfed, we cant be comboed from ground, jab versus is nerfed, we got more movement tools AND some buffs on top of that.
do you gain rp if you concede in ranked?


how's the buff from garnet?
I used all 3 buffs in the match
Nice to have beta slam back
Because it was the elephant in the room
it just feels "right" that she has the armor back lool
Yeah
it's not really a buff.... it's just how it should have been lol
i will bait with this move again
huge if you like using nair, eh if not
The Black Adam weight nerf is real. Dead at 80 with Sair, Upspecial ladder.
Ngl
and the fact that nair can beat jabs now cuz of the jab changes
Neutral punch is so busted rn
As it should be
Been so nice fighting Jacks.


neutral punch has a chonky hitbox and llingers more
Killed wowo at 70
garnet might be viable guys garnet might be actually viable
THE GARNET EMOTE IS BROKEN
the car?
yeah
She might be like top B/ low A now
From pure theory
amethyst is disfigured
thats what i was thinking
How? I've been using it. It's my default win taunt.
show screenshot? im curious
post in clips chat
hold on

let me clip it
Oh yeah. I think it's funny. Like when she cracked her gem.
Well
Im in home in 30 minutes
Testing will be daily
Nair was my bane of existance in mirror
Will be even more now
Probably will now abuse it to
i rarely use car only finger wag
why is she backwards

Im using whacky dance
Its most taunting
Nair > dair
i think i might wait for a legendary garnet skin
> armor slam
This Goofy ahh dance is taunting as hell
It'll definitely be Future Garnet
@novel copper i pulled it off getting
buffed

moreeeee
I can see that
Future garnet barely changes from original
As rare skin ok
But nothing more than this
i like using nair, especially in 2s
wyn? She has a gold visor and her torso has more blue and pink in it
off the top of my head the only legendary i could think of would be uhhhhh
whats her name the gold antagonist from the mobile game
whos a tyoe of garnet
nair is great because you can make people afraid of it only to catch their dodge through if you have the read
read tool, huge hitbox, combostarter, can kill
Nair can be now best move next to shoulder
Yes
i concur
shoulder is too punishable by comparison, nairs huge hitbox and relatively low whiff frames make it insanely awkward to punish on whiff
Nah
For me its defensive tools for disengage and read tool
And shoulder is ofensive one for combos and approche
But its still much slower than elbow
As i said
Both moves are at the same level for me
startup for nair is now faster than elbow
wait why is garnet actually fun to play now
honestly i'd argue shoulder bash isnt the greatest move on earth outside of combos, its an okay burst option but its really punishable on whiff
if they made her star a large duration omg
havent tried it yet
potentially massive for the morty matchup
she doesnt
In brawlhalla some 2 frame changes could change character from c tier to a
i'll lab combos when im home but i doubt there are any new nair combos
Anyway
Cant wait to Play
And destroy everyone
get back foul beast
Is nlight change that much noticable?
funny how i said garnet is actually fun and get cheesed by finn
i just want beetlejuice
i could clip the match he kept doing his 0to death
i kept dodging out but his teleport kept connecting
which is avoidable
yโall make me feel stupid
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Ok
In home
Teeeeest tiiiiiime
The real question will be if Arya is still just as broken and annoying to deal with. I'm glad they addressed finn
I wonder how good wave dash into dash cancel fair is
Her hitbox was adjusted, and her knockback reduced
She will kill much later
Its the biggest change
I think like 150 from middle vs garnet
yeah, that's cool, but will it still be impossible to approach her
Still hard match up
But you will have more chances to Play vs
hoping the movement changes give me some more options to actually move against her
Btw
How is net code?
thank god they're addressing the downair spamming batmans. super annoying to go against
Rifts rewards event is bugged also
stripe could also become a menace with this patch
But...movement wise almost nothing changed in theory
Velma changes are pretty intriguing too. Kinda wanna try her out
Donโt
Same. Netcode seems fine but the engine is struggling.
garnet armor back let's go
finn still hard to fight idk about yโall
yea
WE CLIMBING

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Play Finn a bit and learn each of his jabs. Each one is telegraphed by how he holds the sword. And he can only hold for a second and a half. So it's much easier to wait and punish. He can only do the jab he's holding unless he cancels with a dodge.
I don't find him too bad either. Sometime he get the magic hit, but it's doable.
Hes always gonna be a little difficult because hes the polar opposite to garnet
But if u get decent with dodging it becomes pretty easy
beetle juice is too tanky
new character problems
I don't think he's too crazy so far. I do think once people learn that beetle movement, he could be a problem.
same
shame 'cause I was right in the middle of stomping a Joker/Adam duo
Adam just kept clapping and getting punished for it
People are saying hotfix
i just want him rn
A wild hog appears
At least I got to play for a bit.

Run it, full send it even.
of course some mf spends 30 dollars just to play passive with beetlejuice
I got gems for it but i can just wait f that
I refuse to spend a character ticket when I have 40k fighter currency gathering dust.
Exactly
im glad they seemingly keep giving garnet new voice lines
I fought one Beetlejuice in 2s and he just kept spamming the air side special
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if that's how people are gonna approach with him then the next few days are gonna be very annoying
Assassin be sliding
How was the beetle juice passive
3 hits is crazy for free extra hit
It's avoidable if you know it's coming
O.o
i feel like it might be funny with the stun perk and pre-charging it
itโs so easy to pre charge it
How is static electricity still in the game

Static electricity is the dr pepper in irl
Whos keeping this company afloat these ninjas money laundering
Who?
beetlejuice is fun but hard to hit
Stop the cap
i love it
Next you going to say you like arbyโs
is this true

Half true wont kill cause they recover off airup special
YES
IT IS IMPORTANT
Mostly true and sometimes after bash characters sometimes go left instead of going right in d.i
Which is why i up attack vs small characters and air upspecial vs tank characters
That sair wave dash is devious
Have to
Sobbing rn
No actual gameplans. Just react to stupid crazy movement
Not everyone wants to play Arya
but most doesn't want to play block of concree too
Exactly. So don't make new changes to the base movement.
Iโll play arya right now
Slowing the game down was the best thing to happen to mvs
If they keep going the other way it's just gonna be annoying button mashing where framedata is king
Which is already why people dislike the high tiers
nah
it actualy helps characters with bad frame data xd
you have better aproche with things like garnet jab
It gives characters with faster dodges way more tho. Agent Smith is gonna be. So annoying
Amd the faster dodges is usually on characters w faster movement
yes
yes indeeeeed
i like new toys to play with

But tea
also
nair change is devious
holy
its fast af
Dont run out of stamina
See that I like
ye
jumping right after slide
taking half of the meter
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At what point can we just sit with the mechanics we have
Armor slam neat
imo its good thing
game was still a bit too low skill expressive
having another movement option is good
The holy grail
I test it
and nerfs of top tiers mattered
joker players in shambles
I hit a batman earlier
Making things faster and faster isn't more skill expressive it's just reflex tests
The jab change is great
That's helping skill expression
You actually have a reason to anti air
reflex is part of the skill tho
True depending
if you a bit more picky
its gaming equivalent of height in basketball
some people just have a bit faster reaction
You're right
I have hnpp
I can actually feel a small delay from me wanting to hit a button or a key and my finger actually starting moving
The slow gameplay let's me strategize
I'll be forced into Jason or ig
versus is still slow fighter
even with this xd
Good. But for how long
If they keep this trend up
Then it will be a mess lile the nick game
i dont think they will increse speed even more
Itโll work if theyre air bourne behind but not directly behind
i like the more agressive approche to the game that devs forcing a bit
GAME IS A BIT TOO PASSIVE OK??
The nick game gas so much tech and skill expression. It's fast paced
And it's not passive
But if the person attack hitboxes is large enough from behind itโll trade too
But it sucks
So do you think it's a buff still?
Slide of plat sair will be nasty
I mean the hitbox shift on neutral punch
The dodge slide is fine.
Keeping your momentum after jumping out of it
No
Sliding off of plats and reversing your slide is fine
Also yeah you can reverse the slide
yep
reverse jab after slide
is cool
Weird
that delay after slide will make it balanced
bcs you have to sacrifice 3 bars
if you want to do something more than slight dash
wait
is slide dtilt faster than normal
hold on
btw
BURNOUT STATE IS SO SCARY NOW
like
menagment will be so important
So
just 1v1 a velma she is still horrible
it could be someone new who just wanted to test tho
i just had an agent smith di out of sair 1 into jab like 10 times in a match and fall out of jab 3 times
please fix garnet
ffs
We are doing custom 1v1
Neutral punch hit box top of hat or hair to her thighs
slide dash attack is for now my favorite thing with this tech
Definitely, it's 10s instead of 8 and the dodges are worse
who won
what tech
Unrelated but I noticed the garnet icon no longer has a toothy smile
More nerfs to the queen

wave dashes

dodge lands?
ye
its called wave dash in most games
can you cancel wavedash into attacks?
ME
ehh
you dont keep enough momentum from falling off platforms with it
at least not as garnet
W dude
Thanks Zeekey 
No problemo 
YOOO
slides make her mobile
no way
she no longer block of concree on the ground
W dude
Garnet might be the queen of indirect buffs this patch
perchance
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Dodge away reverse slide jab will space hard on retreat
Does it not work?
Its weird
NOOO
WHY
Seems to work for me
I'm diagnol dodging into a grounded dodge. Still doesn't feel much faster
Also I won't be playing wall but just hovering in the air
You still get 2 jumps up airs 2 specials. Just hover
Plat forms send her flying tho
Wall nerf doesn't mean much
Are they not allowed to cancel it anymore?
Now that's nair is good
Nair sair 1 jab leaves most the cast able to be hit by up special jab again
Wait. But the jab isn't true?
What's garnets fastest move to hit in jab range
Is upspecial not actually true into anything at the earliest hit?
sair
Lowkey can't get upspecial to combo into anything if it hits on its few first active frames
Honestly the platforms are the biggest part
Look at the momentum you get sliding off edge with the grounded slide
Fross you hafta use that that's all your playstyle
yep
i seen it
its crazy how much momentum you get
but its kinda hard to push new thing into gameplay while mussle memory is already builded up
How does your chat have 25k messages
garnet deserves that afterlife skin
We be yappin
grinded rifts only to buy stevens skin
