Garnet

[tiny comet]

Gutted

Jk

Idk havent played

[frozen iris]

If you weren't doing combos she will feel the same.

[fleet birch]

like some things feel better

But overall

Im like ok i guess that doesnt work anymore?

[toxic walrus]

Gutted isn't too far from the truth tbh.

I'm at home with her for a bit before the dentist.

Yikes.

I hope you like never breaking past 20 damage for your combos.

Rough first impression.

Still gotta lab more out.

I don't like the changes at all.

[fleet birch]

I just played velma and all i can say is at least we should be glad garnets still decent

[tiny comet]

Velma can aim mega phone

Neat

[frozen iris]

Just found the real nerf. Superman can't do his hammock taunt in jump rope anymore. Dead game.

[fleet birch]

i think they nerfed the range again?

Whats the point of the megaphone charge starting at an inch?

[tiny comet]

Naaaaa

Gotta see it

Firmly grasp it

[signal dirge]

I'm partying over here

[formal geyser]

i dont get the change at all ngl

[tiny comet]

💀

[formal geyser]

this is not a removal of the loop this is a removal of a universal option but only for her

makes 0 sense

[toxic walrus]

yep

makes no sense

[formal geyser]

feels super unnatural too

[toxic walrus]

i hate it

[formal geyser]

you can just IAD but just not her fair now

also i found a funny bug with harley quinn her down special no longer has charges or a cooldown because even at 0 charges you can still use it

you go into the negatives

[frozen iris]

Bugs loop wasn't using meter. He could just nair into nair, or nair, down air, nair, into whatever.

[formal geyser]

i had -12 charges in my match

[frozen iris]

That glitch happens every patch with someone. Past patch it was Superman's lasers.

[formal geyser]

lmao

[trail jewel]

She doesn't feel worse for wear rn but maybe it's just the 2v2 performance thing

[formal geyser]

i look forward to when it happens to stripe

shoot gun once and then you machine gun fire them up to the top

[toxic walrus]

Bro why did it even matter, for max damage you had to read their DI perfect to set up the correct spacing for the up special extension...

You had to blow all your dodge for the dumb damage anyway

Pointless change.

[crisp bronze]

Someone want to play 1v1?

I want to see whats going on with her

[toxic walrus]

I feel like someone took a toothpick, put it under my nail, and forced me to kick the wall.

[tiny comet]

I see

Everyone switching to arya and finn

Neat

[frozen iris]

I'm sad, not desperate

[toxic walrus]

Yep.

Same.

[tiny comet]

Punch them into the dirt

[toxic walrus]

Gonna stick with Garnet but fat L of a nerf.

[crisp bronze]

Someone said that she cant do past 20 damage with combo

[frozen iris]

I'm down

[crisp bronze]

Idk who it was

[toxic walrus]

Exaggeration, it was me.

[signal dirge]

Applying weakened to yourself with the taunt helps you escape Finns combo but it does a ton more damage

[frozen iris]

That's hilarious

[formal geyser]

I got the benefit of not actually being a garnet main, I just wanted to pick her up and learn her before this patch incase she actually ended up getting good changes, something I was very much doubting lmao

[tiny comet]

Neutral does 20+ on its on

😂

[crisp bronze]

Elbow deal 16

Xd

[formal geyser]

Stripe got out of the patch very well with actual depth added rather than removed

[signal dirge]

Sooo is garnet a lowtier now boys?

[crisp bronze]

@frozen iris whats your nick?

[formal geyser]

cant say yet

patch just dropped, but its not like she got that much for what was removed

[crisp bronze]

They gutted half of the cast

Like

[formal geyser]

exactly ^

[frozen iris]

HakuAkuma121. i changed it in this server to make it easy.

[toxic walrus]

I feel like I got kicked in the sack personally by PFG, all that time practicing IAD in the lab down the drain, and for what? A buffed (nerfed) jab2 up and a little more plus frames on dtilt hit?

[formal geyser]

where she lands in comparison to the rest of the cast is a question mark, I just know she is less fun to play now

[crisp bronze]

Ww got computer monitor wall of nerfs

XD

[signal dirge]

Good

Do that to black adam

[frozen iris]

dtilt does feel good.

[signal dirge]

Faster kill confirms into clap?

[tiny comet]

😂

[crisp bronze]

I didnt meet good Adam
Or you are overblowingn how strong he is

[tiny comet]

Is it that bad?

[toxic walrus]

Dtilt feels better, still a death sentence to use it in neutral against someone with a pulse and some brain activity.

[frozen iris]

Adam didn't change much, and he was already solid.

[signal dirge]

He's not stupid strong. He's annoying.

[tiny comet]

Ba in twos a menace high key

[signal dirge]

Also I play 2v2

[crisp bronze]

Idk
Tbh i feel like he have to do 2 combos to deal as much as me

[signal dirge]

None of that matters

He's annoying

[tiny comet]

Hows the side up combo

[toxic walrus]

Sucks.

[tiny comet]

With and without handicap

[toxic walrus]

No combos off it anymore.

[frozen iris]

He's best at pressing disadvantage. He doesn't care about damage if he can get you off the top.

[toxic walrus]

Just 50/50s.

[crisp bronze]

Idk
Anyway
Only thing that will keep garnet in lower tier is that arya going to be s tier from now

Idk how she slipped under radar

[signal dirge]

WOOOOO

Lowtier garnet

[crisp bronze]

And its worst possible garnet match up

[tiny comet]

The agendas

[crisp bronze]

Like
Her end lags ARE NOT OK

[signal dirge]

What endlags?

[tiny comet]

In a good way

Or a bad way

[crisp bronze]

Whiff time

[tiny comet]

Or the sair lockout

[signal dirge]

For arya?

[crisp bronze]

When you miss move
You cant move for some time

[tiny comet]

😂

Cooked

[crisp bronze]

Arya have like 1/2 frames end lags

Mayby 3

Ok
Updated

@frozen iris get your ass ready

[signal dirge]

So sair 1 has more endlag?

[frozen iris]

Only nerf I wanted for Arya was dodge distance. At least Joker's got addressed.

[signal dirge]

What

I'm so confused

[frozen iris]

Ready as I'll ever be

[crisp bronze]

Lets Play bo5

[toxic walrus]

They're talking about Arya and her end lag.

[crisp bronze]

Bcs i doesnt have much time

[frozen iris]

Sounds good

[signal dirge]

She has none

[toxic walrus]

Yeah. That's what he was getting at.

[signal dirge]

Bugs was annoying. Black adam is now thr most annoying to me.

[trail jewel]

we finally found it
platform fighter Happy Chaos

[formal geyser]

I can tell you that Slap city already had platform fighter happy chaos LOL

as someone who has played that game a lot, trust me on this one

[trail jewel]

tell me more i'm invested

[formal geyser]

Remedy, she did not exactly have a gun (i mean she had finger guns that shot lasers and needles but thats less the focus) but her main thing was setplay with a giant mine she had

Just a giant orb she could place down at any time and any place and if you ever got combod into it or thrown into it or just breathed near it she would detonate it and kill you at 50

and she had spammable arching bombs etc

and then died if you sneezed on her

[trail jewel]

amazing

[formal geyser]

goated game btw genuinly no other platform fighter has ever reached the heights of slapcity

i have some amount of faith that rivals 2 might get there

[frozen iris]

ggs

[crisp bronze]

we can play first to 5

if you still on

[trail jewel]

considering how people praise nasb2 mechanics it's no surprise ppl loved slapcity

what other platform fighter has Joel's Dad difficulty

[crisp bronze]

holy cleaners

ggs

[frozen iris]

yep, that's what I expected

[crisp bronze]

what did you expect?

[frozen iris]

To lose.

[crisp bronze]

bruh
never expect this

losers mental
always expect to win

anyway
you have better edgeguard than me

need to practice on it

anyway ggs ^^

[formal geyser]

none

[umbral lion]

THEY NERFED GARNET TAUNT

[trail jewel]

exactly, it has to be the best one

[formal geyser]

thing is as far as being a funny game is concerned slap is up there too but its genuinly as far as a competative experience is concerned is only rivaled by melee

its the cleanest and most skill expressive platform fighter I have ever played

[tiny comet]

?

[hushed needle]

is the maintenance over I'm updating rn

[umbral lion]

default taunt u could spam it and it was a funny innuendo
they changed it now it's bad

[tiny comet]

It bees

Did they speed it up at least

So i can give hearts

[crisp bronze]

I would say brawlhalla have similar competerivness

And they have rankeds

Xd

[formal geyser]

brawlhalla sucks

fake game

[signal dirge]

Wait what how is the default taunt an innuendo.

[crisp bronze]

Fake game or not
Its still second biggest fighter

Not only platform

But overall 2 biggest fighter

[fleet birch]

Did they make lebron.. op?

Also why does wonderwoman feel stronger

[crisp bronze]

She not

She is much weaker

Btw
I just want to say
Without iad
Im probably best garnet in the world
Fight me about this statement :p

[fleet birch]

not rlly shes still like S+ toer

tier

[frozen iris]

Learned I need to use shoulder in neutral more. But it just feel like whenever I try, the opponent just dodges back. But I know I approach too much becuase I hate playing slow. But that's my fault, so I have to deal.

[crisp bronze]

Play so agressive that they can't Play neutral

@frozen iris

If you jump to them
Not let them escape

Bash is one of the best momentum tool so if you use it wise you can fight in meele vs any character

[toxic walrus]

And people say IAD combos were cheesy, at least that took more skill than IM GONNA SKIP NEUTRAL UNTIL YOUR THE ONE IN DISADVANTAGE HAHA.

[rustic linden]

Nah she for sure bottom 3 especially now

[crisp bronze]

Womp womp IAD gone womp womp

[hushed needle]

what are these new icons for the fighters

joker looks like a fan art

[toxic walrus]

Womp womp skill expression bad punish execution gods womp womp

[hushed needle]

garnet looks better though for me lmao

[rustic linden]

Is it gone for everyone?

[crisp bronze]

I think there is 0 loops in the game

For now

Xd

[rustic linden]

Oh damn that suck they should fr just let garnet have it

[frozen iris]

The mechanic isn't gone, but you can't make hard combos with it anymore.

[crisp bronze]

No bro
If everyone
Then everyone

Stop being bias guys

Xd

[toxic walrus]

That's dumb af and you know it.

That's called character identity.

Just because you didn't play that way doesn't mean we should be punished for it.

[crisp bronze]

Ah yes
You probably loved 130 damage Harley identity

Xd

[toxic walrus]

Harley didn't have to spend all her dodge meter to ladder you to death did she?

[crisp bronze]

Death touch combos are dumb

[crisp bronze]

Oh so now its not about identity

Its about meter

Bro
Loops should be gone
Every
If you wanted taz loop gone

[toxic walrus]

Yes, Garnets damage is gated BY meter, on a big body character who is combo food in burnout.

[crisp bronze]

Then stop being bias bitchh and let remove her loop too

[rustic linden]

Did garnet even have a rod off of it?

Rod

[toxic walrus]

I never had an issue with Taz loop.

It's a DI mixup.

[rustic linden]

I’ve never been hit by it personally

[toxic walrus]

If you Di in when they dodge forward to continue the loop they drop it.

[crisp bronze]

Steven loop was fine then?

[rustic linden]

Wasn’t it just dair?

[crisp bronze]

Ye

[toxic walrus]

No? It was dair dair dair no meter?

Brainless?

No execution?

[crisp bronze]

And you could build around 90 damage

[rustic linden]

Steven is so broken

[toxic walrus]

IAD is gated by an execution barrier as well as meter.

She has an excuse to have it.

[crisp bronze]

Dodge meter is impotrant
Ok
But 90 damage for un DI and un dodgable combo its still worth af

[toxic walrus]

She has to work hard to get in to get that first hit.

[rustic linden]

It’s a pretty slow move as well to hit

[toxic walrus]

It's not guaranteed at all lol, if you actually used IAD combos Fross you'd understand.

To get the 80 damage I have to read your DI right 3 times.

[crisp bronze]

Loop is loop
No character should have 90 damage combo in this game

[frozen iris]

I'm sorry, but you keep saying this. The absolute max was 55. I just have to correct that.

[toxic walrus]

And make sure your deep enough to land up special to extend.

[frozen iris]

And that's full meter, all resources available.

[toxic walrus]

No Haku.

It's 80.

I made the combo dawg.

[crisp bronze]

I literaly get video from hog where he did 80

And instakilled

[toxic walrus]

I'm the creator of the loop.

:^)

[rustic linden]

If they gonna remove the loop at least buff her in something else

[crisp bronze]

Im still for the slight buffs

Song is too situational

[toxic walrus]

I'd kill for some song buffs.

[crisp bronze]

Dlight buffs made this move barely usable

But still need something to make me use it

And t pose is outclased by up air in every possible way

[frozen iris]

You don't go for dlite, into down air, siar, jab?

[crisp bronze]

To hard to hit that dlight

I know this combo

But enamy have to jump to dodge it

JUMP

not even dodge

On 5 matches you hit like 1 dlight

And you used plenty of it

Its not even that you cast it in wrong time

Its just that bad

[rustic linden]

Garnet really needs some buffs she’s so bad

[crisp bronze]

Garnet needs some buffs
QoL especialy

[rustic linden]

What’s qol

[crisp bronze]

But she is not f tier like some of you telling me

She have damage of FCKING banana guard

[rustic linden]

Quite literally the only thing she has

[exotic hemlock]

how’s garnet looking like guys

[rustic linden]

And like 2 kill confirms

[crisp bronze]

I would love to play you, destroy you, and change your opinion on her

I did IT few times here

[rustic linden]

Dude I play her as well

[crisp bronze]

I would love to teach another one

[rustic linden]

I’m not bad with her like she’s for sure bottom 3-5

[crisp bronze]

Everyone playing her

Here

But it depends how

[crisp bronze]

About this

She have one of the best air game in entire game

Have stable damage build up

And she have great momentum build up

Add to this decent neutral thanks to projectiles

[rustic linden]

Isn’t that the same thing for everyone tho?

I can dm you later tn if you’d like

I’m at work rn

[crisp bronze]

No

[rustic linden]

No like to play

[crisp bronze]

I said it wrong tho

I ment momentum tools

[rustic linden]

The buff help a bit with the damage

She’s so big fat and slow I wish she was heavier

[exotic hemlock]

they said screw the steven universe characters

rebecca sugar must’ve done something bad

[crisp bronze]

If you know how to do it
Then there is no character that can glue themself as good to enamy as garnet

[crisp bronze]

You have 2 good dashes

One is borderline broken

[rustic linden]

Nah fr

[rustic linden]

Nah man you fr overhyping her

There’s better characters that can do it

[crisp bronze]

Ask @upbeat fable what he think about her side b

[upbeat fable]

God help me if I could patch the move out of the game I would

[frozen iris]

I get what you are saying Fross, but I'm not seeing the vision for myself. I'll keep grinding for a while, but I don't know.

[crisp bronze]

I didnt on the beggining too

After first 10 matches i was very sceptic

But now i think she can stand for herself

[toxic walrus]

I think I'm done playing Garnet man. If side B unga bunga is all I have to look forward to I'm gonna have to.

[exotic hemlock]

im confused are you talking about the side special after you’ve used the gauntlets?

[crisp bronze]

Yes

[crisp bronze]

Side b unga Bunga os for making preasure and gap close

[rustic linden]

Are you free around 8 or so?

[formal geyser]

who cares if she is good or not

she is not fun now lol

[rustic linden]

Play me so you show me what you mean

[crisp bronze]

Bro
We probably diffrent time zones

[formal geyser]

like im back on my actual mains now garnet time is over

was fun while it lasted

[crisp bronze]

From now on how much hours you ready

[toxic walrus]

Play me Fross, show me something to make me want to keep playing this character bro.

If I don't see anything cool I'm hopping over to another character.

[crisp bronze]

I mean
Its your decision if you want to play her

I love character that can play in agressive way

[toxic walrus]

Show me what your Garnet can do then.

I'm on if you're down.

[crisp bronze]

In like 2 hours
Im not in home yet

Its sad that the only thing that keep you playing character is one combo tho

[rustic linden]

I’m free in 5 hours

[rustic linden]

Nuh uh I be doing other stuff other than the loop

[crisp bronze]

Its 3 AM in my country on 5 hours

[crisp bronze]

Talking to hog

[rustic linden]

Ah all right

[crisp bronze]

I can play in like 9-10 hours

[rustic linden]

Send me a clip or something

[crisp bronze]

You will be free then?

[rustic linden]

I’ll be asleep cause I got work tomorrow

[crisp bronze]

I can send you link to tourney i played vs other garnet mains

[toxic walrus]

It's sad because the last high execution thing on my favorite character from beta was stripped away from me, not that'd you'd understand anyway. I was the best at using NADC in combos in beta, and IAD was the last thing that I had to look forward to after they crippled the speed of the game.

It's not a Garnet problem.

[fleet birch]

@dawn mesa GGs garnet

[toxic walrus]

It's a Multiversus problem.

[rustic linden]

Even with one of the worst characters you can still perform well in tournaments

But send me it still

They gotta bring back beta multiverse

[crisp bronze]

It was garnet tournament

Only garnet players xd

[tiny comet]

Cap

[rustic linden]

It was so good

[tiny comet]

Im the best

[rustic linden]

Wanna run it sometime?

[fleet birch]

Lebron actually might be S tier?

[tiny comet]

Zero to hero?

[crisp bronze]

Bro you lose 8-10 in best to 10

[tiny comet]

Pffft

[crisp bronze]

You can be vice best garnet

[tiny comet]

Started 3-0 i win tourney rules

😏

[dawn mesa]

?

[crisp bronze]

I didnt think someone is dumb enough to use nlight 8 times in one match

[tiny comet]

Gets hit 6/8 times

[crisp bronze]

Thats true

Sadly

Still
Vice best

[fleet birch]

I was the steven one round

[crisp bronze]

[tiny comet]

Buff charged up attack

Buff air up special

Nerf dair

Ggs

[crisp bronze]

Tbh i like this new version

Its more skillfull

You seems like a guy who would be very good in Tekken or mortal combat

[tiny comet]

Down special more bug fixes

[dawn mesa]

How’d you know I was here 😭 GGs tho bro

[toxic walrus]

You're baiting me.

[crisp bronze]

It is more skillfull
You cant dodge from every string
Dodge meter have purpose
Bad positioning actually have bad consquences

[fleet birch]

same name

[crisp bronze]

Say what you want about new version of this game

But it have deeper skill expresion

[tiny comet]

Garnet still garnet all the same moves

Just adjusted gameplay / playstyle

[crisp bronze]

Yes and no
At the same time

You cant mindlessly jab 2 on the ground

Nlight fast fall in the air

[tiny comet]

Nerf garnet 2024-2026

[crisp bronze]

To win games

[tiny comet]

Garnet gets no pity

😂

[toxic walrus]

Fross, you don't know the first thing about skill expression.

[pearl dust]

are the changes as bad as we thought?

not home so i cant see for myself

[tiny comet]

Havent played

[toxic walrus]

The whole reason you didn't do IAD is because the input was too hard.

[tiny comet]

😏

[fleet birch]

dont know

[crisp bronze]

I can do it
I learned it after i played vs you
Not even close as good as you
But i learned it

[toxic walrus]

Meanwhile I freeflow combo IAD from position to position to secure a kill, taking them all the way to the edge of the stage for optimal low % kills with neutral attack.

Okay?

[crisp bronze]

you are combo player

That's good

[toxic walrus]

Try doing that in match against tourney level players.

[crisp bronze]

My gameplay is fundamentals and movement

[toxic walrus]

It's not easy on the fly.

[pearl dust]

fundamentals (down attack and side special)

[toxic walrus]

FOR REAL

WHAT FUNDIES

[crisp bronze]

I WAS LITERALY TOP 1 GARNET IN BETA FOR LIKE A MONTH
TF YOU TALKING ABOUT
I WAS PLAYING VS TOURNAMENT LEVEL PLAYERS ALL THE TIMES

[toxic walrus]

YOU GOTTA BE KIDDING ME

IM TALKING ABOUT IAD

[pearl dust]

dawg what movement

[toxic walrus]

COMBOS AGAINST TOURNEY PLAYERS

[pearl dust]

are we playing the same char??

[toxic walrus]

JUST GETTING THE FIRST HIT DOESNT MEAN ANYTHING

YOU HAVE TO READ THEIR DI

ITS NOT A FREE KILL

THATS WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND

[crisp bronze]

If its so easy guys
Then why every one of you cant beat me
Doing the same

Spam side b
Do it

[tiny comet]

I see people left their caps lock on

[toxic walrus]

There is no fundies in spam side b brother.

It's literally skip neutral.

No fundies.

[frozen iris]

Garnet just doesn't have it for me anymore. I want a character I'm excited to lab, and she isn't it anymore. I'm happy people are enjoying it, but I'm not finding it.

[toxic walrus]

Meanwhile I'm out here spacing max range sairs

[pearl dust]

we’re cooked

[tiny comet]

😂

[pearl dust]

her sauce… gone…

[toxic walrus]

^^^^

Sauce is gone.

I go where the sauce is.

I'm sorry Garnet.

I really am.

[frozen iris]

Also, I'm finding if you overcommit to the charge, you get parried or rolled on a lot. I'm bad a dodging, so I get hit, but when people play slow, they just move through it.

[pearl dust]

see you guys when she gets buffed in two months

(never happening)

[crisp bronze]

Tbh
There will be not 4 + hits combos in this game anymore
On any character
Change her
But it will not help you guys

[pearl dust]

((the agenda is real))

[crisp bronze]

Idk what you want to lab

[toxic walrus]

There is nothing to lab, PFG made sure of that.

[crisp bronze]

Its now read game
not touch enamy one game

I like this direction

[deft torrent]

Finn, youre next..

https://tenor.com/view/dio-jjba-jojo-bizarre-adventure-anime-point-gif-17841768

[crisp bronze]

He dont have one too

[toxic walrus]

Whatever, enjoy your baby platformer that's gonna die.

:^)

[crisp bronze]

He have 3 hit on good %

[frozen iris]

I wish they just nerfed the damage instead.

[pearl dust]

theres a good balance between both of these tbh

[crisp bronze]

True

[toxic walrus]

I'd rather just go back to SF6.

[pearl dust]

^

[tiny comet]

Tbh

[toxic walrus]

At least I'm rewarded for being good.

[tiny comet]

Idc about any change

[crisp bronze]

But 80 damage combo should never been allowed

[tiny comet]

I cant get higher than 16

[crisp bronze]

In this version

[tiny comet]

Already finished the battle pass

[frozen iris]

then cut the damage in half, or nerf the meter she gains in a combo hit, or increasing damage scaling for every iad used in a combo.

[tiny comet]

Once i get agent smith (pve) nothing else left for 20 days

[crisp bronze]

if this game Die i will probably just back to brawlhalla i guess

[toxic walrus]

Fross, I keep telling you man, for the 80 damage you blow all meter and go into burnout.

[tiny comet]

Besides repeat events

[toxic walrus]

You get combod to death after if you don't win neutral again

[pearl dust]

any playfighter falls victim to this but unlike any other game, its pretty rasy to do even at a low level

[crisp bronze]

And i still talking to you that possibility where you have 80 damage combo into very good finisher is toxic af

[toxic walrus]

Fross... I have to read their DI 3 times in a row to get that 80 damage, and that's only on a third of the cast.

2/3rds 54% about max

due to size

hurtbox

etc

[crisp bronze]

I would be good with it too

But if they removing every loop

Then let not be bias

[toxic walrus]

Why do you keep making that arguement?

Other characters have things going for them that they excel at.

Why can't Garnet have this one thing?

Her identity is heavy punches bro, not shoulder bashing like a low IQ linebacker.

[crisp bronze]

Bro
Im 100% sure you were probably first to nerf Harley with 70 damage combo in this verison

To nerf Steven who could do 80

[toxic walrus]

Nope, I've been simping for WW and Gizmo nerfs brother.

They didn't bother me.

[crisp bronze]

Then to ww loop

That could deal 70

[pearl dust]

its important to remember that the difference between garnet doing 80 and steven doing 80 is that steven’s disadvantage state is not nearly as bad

[toxic walrus]

^^^

[fleet birch]

steven is fast asf

[toxic walrus]

You got to look at the bigger picture.

Also, Garnet spends a resource for her loop.

[pearl dust]

insane air game and landing mixups

[crisp bronze]

Steven was s tier
And got A FCKING 4 wall of nerfs this patch

[pearl dust]

and a fast full body get off me tool

garnet has none of those

[toxic walrus]

Why do you want Garnet nerfed so badly lol.

[fleet birch]

I cant land the up attacks very consistently anymore its kinda hard to get a KO now

[toxic walrus]

Do we have to play a crap character?

Is that our identity?

Low tier?

Lol...

This is sad.

[crisp bronze]

I literaly said that she need buffs in some departments

[pearl dust]

unironically a character like garnet needs oppresive damage and combos to make up for her short comings

[crisp bronze]

You can find it

[toxic walrus]

She's literally the closest thing to Marisa in this game from SF6.

[tiny comet]

Im the nerf garnet person

She op

She punches people into the dirt

[fleet birch]

wonderwoman

[tiny comet]

Xd

[crisp bronze]

Then lets look at it other way

You playing other character
Your loop get removed bcs it was broken

But other character can still loop you for 65+ damage
Bcs they didnt nerf it
Bcs its their identity

[toxic walrus]

Okay, but if that character only had that ONE thing going for them, I'd understand.

You're missing the context here my friend.

You're isolating one thing that Garnet can do, when you need to see the whole picture, and what she does that other characters do, but better.

[pearl dust]

garnet racking up damage as opposed to someone like bugs racking up damage is wayyy different tbh

[toxic walrus]

Garnet's only thing that stood out among the cast was combos.

Now?

She's a two-bit jumble of a bunch of moves that are the Great Value version.

[pearl dust]

even if bugs can just as easily do 60 percent off of nair bridges alone, hes not over reliant on it for him to be a good character

[toxic walrus]

Of better moves on other characters.

[crisp bronze]

Sair elbow tpose dealing fcking 40 damage

Last thing she lack is damage build up

[toxic walrus]

Okay? So what was the issue with my loop doing 56 damage?

That had a higher execution barrier?

And required burning dodge meter?

On a combo food character?

[crisp bronze]

I dont have problem with 60
I have problems with possibility of killing someone with one touch

[pearl dust]

shes a traditional platfighter big body, big damage is kind of her thing

[tiny comet]

If air upspecial hits twice

😂

[rustic linden]

Garnet does not kill off of one

[pearl dust]

FAR from the first character to do a ton of damage and kill you just as easily

[rustic linden]

Hit

[crisp bronze]

They literaly nerfed this in this patch

[pearl dust]

dk in ult, kragg in rivals

[tiny comet]

[crisp bronze]

Bcs it was that opressive

[tiny comet]

Dair charged too

Clap

All one hitters

[rustic linden]

[toxic walrus]

Okay, but Nair is a different case entirely, it's a multihit with a huge hitbox that combos into itself lol...

[tiny comet]

One read

[toxic walrus]

That's apples to oranges.

[tiny comet]

All it takes

[crisp bronze]

They removed every single above 40 damage

Combos

[tiny comet]

Allegedly

We’ll see whats meta

Adjust

[crisp bronze]

I think arya
Bcs she have best neutral

[pearl dust]

hoping one day they buff star’s throw so you can choose which direction you throw them in

[toxic walrus]

I think I'm done after this season tbh

[tiny comet]

Arya finn batman

[toxic walrus]

we'll see where the game heads.

[tiny comet]

Iron giant

[pearl dust]

lowkey i need garnet with cargo throw

[tiny comet]

Threats

A good velma “threat”

[rustic linden]

Did they give back the marker perk?

[tiny comet]

They did

[pearl dust]

yeah but you cant sd with it anymore

[rustic linden]

Ah okay

That move sucked regardless

[tiny comet]

No more cheesing bucko

[crisp bronze]

Garnecide no more

[pearl dust]

yeahhh

[crisp bronze]

Tbh marker users are diff breed

[crisp bronze]

It would not return the garnet cheese?

Like
You throwing rocket

Next to border

[pearl dust]

maybe, idk star in general is just not a very well designed move at all

[crisp bronze]

And you doing the same thing but without killing yourself

[tiny comet]

I have garnet cheese

If you guys want

[crisp bronze]

Ye
They should rework it

[tiny comet]

You’ll have find it

[crisp bronze]

Alongside marker perk

[tiny comet]

In one piece

[crisp bronze]

Like
I dont want to have bad blood with anyone there

I just have other point of view on this thing

[toxic walrus]

But the thing is, why remove it? Even with it she was balanced.

[tiny comet]

Fross

[rustic linden]

It was a pretty decent recovery option

[toxic walrus]

If they had a single thought, they should have compensated a lot harder.

I'm more upset that the buffs weren't even good!

[tiny comet]

Neutral punch

Do it

[toxic walrus]

I would've taken some meaningful buffs!

[tiny comet]

[crisp bronze]

I agree with it 100%

[toxic walrus]

Make jab2 down actually combo well!

[crisp bronze]

Song not changed is a joke

[tiny comet]

The idea is fross

[crisp bronze]

Dlight buffs are mediocore at best

Jab 2 up changes are asspulled

[tiny comet]

For you to get a stack using up specials or down attack and dance again to get the second stack

[toxic walrus]

jab 2 up changes are so out of touch

no one plays this character bro

Im convinced no one on the team does

[tiny comet]

Fpg agenda

[crisp bronze]

I agree with you there

I can understand why you mad

Even if these changes didnt touched me at all

[toxic walrus]

they just spin a wheel and buff whatever move it lands on

[frozen iris]

It did lead to an above 40 percent combo. The knockback is actually another nerf to ensure it's not a combo tool anymore.

it doesn't kill any eariler

[crisp bronze]

This knockbuff buff is joke

Bcs you will use clap anyway as finnisher

[toxic walrus]

I WILL LITERALLY BUY EVERY EMOTE, SKIN, BANNER, AND ICON FOR GARNET PFG

DONT LOSE OUT ON ME

IM A WHALE

[rare glen]

Really? I find the markers to be one the better kits of Garnet. Something I find good use in.

Well. Better isn't the right word.

I should say fun, really.

[rustic linden]

Like the other one isn’t good either tbh

[crisp bronze]

I mean
You doesnt get anything from this perk from me

Its literaly QoL perk
And not a big one

[frozen iris]

Steven does feel easier to fight, but I think it's his nerfs showing. He's a lot laggier overall.

[crisp bronze]

Ok
I can see ig

[frozen iris]

Arya and Morty, however....

[rustic linden]

Steven tank role should be given to garnet tbh

[crisp bronze]

I said it a lot times here

But arya slipping under radar is joke

[tiny comet]

Stevens lighter than garnet

Fun fact

[rare glen]

Like, in comparison to the Signature Perks I truly think that the Star Marker perk is better than her Eletric Groove. EG is just too inconsistent

[frozen iris]

The reason Garnet has her weight is her lack of defensive tools. She's meant to be able to live a lot of damage, but not negate it.

[rustic linden]

Idk it says tank on his thing I assumed he was heavy

[tiny comet]

True

But it also say ba is a brusier

[rare glen]

Though I find there to be a strong argument for the Well-Round Perk to be the best perk for her. Not something I personally agree with. Though I guess my opinion comes down to fun and expression.

[tiny comet]

He be getting to 150 health

Not dyin

[rare glen]

And Well-Rounded doesn't really allow that expression

Or any kind for that matter.

[frozen iris]

Tanks are the mitigation characters, bubbles and armor. Projectile absorb, things like that.

[crisp bronze]

Garnet is one of the best all rounded abuser in the game

[frozen iris]

The only character that feels weird as a tank is Jason.

[crisp bronze]

Bcs she have a lot of damage
And she tanky

So she gets a lot from it

[rare glen]

Oh absolutely.

[tiny comet]

Finally made it

To the lab

[rare glen]

I 1000% agree with that. And it's exactly because of that because it's rather... SAD? And hear me out when I said that

[crisp bronze]

No no
You right

Its just stat check pekr

Its borring

[rare glen]

Yea

[crisp bronze]

I would love to have something funnier

Electric groove is interseting

But it have so rigged chances its placebo

[rare glen]

Which leads me to say, I'm really here because it feels like Garnet's skill expression is... gone? And it's not like it was major nerfs or anything. It's just micro changes that kind of just remove her ability for the player to visually express how they play the character.

[frozen iris]

That's my whole issue with the patch for me. I didn't care if she was good or bad, it just feels boring, Like a stats character. I was playing Jason, so I didn't care about tier, just fun.

[rare glen]

I was reading through here because I genuinely just read what other players say when I feel stumped in matchups or in patches

[crisp bronze]

tbh Jason is even more stat checky then her...

[rare glen]

And in my case, when I played with this new Garnet it felt like I was playing someone different in the sense that I wasn't playing the same Garnet. I liked playing a hyper-aggressive Garnet. The long combos being some of the fun I had once I did manage to get in.

[crisp bronze]

Like
You have like 1 true combo

[frozen iris]

I had aslo start checking out Lebron

[rare glen]

Well

Not LONG

But still combos regardless

[frozen iris]

Before the patch. He kind of looks cracked now

[rare glen]

I just wanted to see if others had the same sentiment that Garnet was changed or if it was just me

[rustic linden]

Lebron is so fun

[rare glen]

And after looking at the prior conversation i don't seem to be alone in the opinion

[frozen iris]

True, I was hoping they might help get some of his things to connect, because visually they looked like it would work.

[rare glen]

Subjectively, she's absolutely boring now.

Objectively, she's feel like she was, for a lack of a better term, "power crept".

[crisp bronze]

I mean
You cant have much true combos on as cargo train hitting character like him

[rare glen]

Like others just do her job and skills better.

[frozen iris]

I'm starting to win a bit more, just shoulder checking people, but still.

[crisp bronze]

Its banana guard case

[rare glen]

Is that all you've been relying on? Or like a go-to?

[crisp bronze]

You cant have character that deals 18 damage with one hit
With 10 true combos

[rare glen]

I ask that non-confrontationally btw

I'm not trying to call you out

[tiny comet]

O.o

A new combo

Neat

[frozen iris]

Use the aerial version to close space, and fish for sair or parry. Burn my cds as needed.

[crisp bronze]

Send priv my favorite vice best garnet

[rare glen]

When I do understand, but then I ask what is the point of Garnet without her combos? It's not like she has best way to win trades of some top-tier neutral. If my wording make sense.

She's like Ganon to me/

Big and hits hard, but is on the slower side

Not the slowest obv

[tiny comet]

Found a loop

Gg boys

We getting nerfed again

[crisp bronze]

Probably di able

[tiny comet]

True but

Hard to read this loop

[frozen iris]

She doesn't need a combo, I was hoping they would replace it with an actual combo.

[crisp bronze]

She something between Shaggy and Jason

She is heavy hitter with some mobility tools

[frozen iris]

Shaggy feels easier since he can't just uptilt, dragon punch anymore.

[tiny comet]

Picks up a sandwich

Ggs

[frozen iris]

I'm so glad they nerfed Sandwich Charge perk. But it still seems good.

[crisp bronze]

Yep

[tiny comet]

Time to go in raw

[crisp bronze]

Mf who were using it good were menace

[rare glen]

But I think not as effective as either. A jack of all trades, master of none. Though, it's more like she se does neither. It just feels like a mix of both now.

[tiny comet]

Lebron and jason

Neat

[rare glen]

Oh yeah. Sandwich Shaggy was horrible (powerful) to fight

[tiny comet]

Time to dance

[frozen iris]

I'm glad more Shaggys are boxing now, at least the ones I ran into.

[tiny comet]

The passive for the sandwich

[crisp bronze]

She have probably better mobility than Shaggy

[tiny comet]

Iykyk

[frozen iris]

he's more fun to fight that way, win or lose.

[crisp bronze]

True

Tbh garnet excels at playing as hyper agressive bruiser

[rare glen]

Yeah on a cooldown. Though I would say it's really only one move outside of base movement speed? Which I don't think is faster than him

But I could be wrong.

[frozen iris]

Shaggy has better mobilty on his moves, but they are laggy. Garnet can move better overall and shoulder check trades with most of his moves.

[rare glen]

Though I suppose you could count the cooldown shoulder bash as movement

[crisp bronze]

Shoulder is strong
Like very strong
Ngl

[rustic linden]

They should fr give it less lag so it can combo better

[crisp bronze]

No no no
You cant buff this move more

Buff every other thing

[frozen iris]

Feels like that's where all her strength is right now. If she is still performing well next patch, that will go.

[crisp bronze]

Not this

And im talking about it as an biggest abuser of this move

[toxic walrus]

Bro, can I at least get the ability to do one IAD sair in a combo?

I'd even take that.

[tiny comet]

Welp

[crisp bronze]

How you make it to use it
And not make it loop

[tiny comet]

Joever

[frozen iris]

I thought that's how this patch would work. Didn't realize it was gone.

[toxic walrus]

Add a 32 frame lockout on sair 1 when it hits?

Not on jab 1?

I don't know why they didn't think of that.

[tiny comet]

Servers shiddin the bed

[toxic walrus]

That way she can do 1 IAD Fair a combo.

[deft torrent]

https://x.com/villainmvs/status/1808211814351884443?s=46&t=-m9y2_TkNN9TX85VlLSOWg

[crisp bronze]

Hmmm

[frozen iris]

I'm mostly using it as a starter now. Otherwise, I don't have a use for the mechanic.

[toxic walrus]

That's not true at all.

[toxic walrus]

^

They can dodge out after the jab2 down

[frozen iris]

Shaggy would have to di-ing in like his life depended on it.

[crisp bronze]

When people learn that using loop in lab is worthless

[tiny comet]

Buff player 2

[toxic walrus]

Yep, I've been using it a lot in neutral, raw IAD sair has a good use now, instead of wasting meter.

[crisp bronze]

Like
Showing loop in lab is like figthing training dummy irl

Like

[frozen iris]

I do like the projectile starter. That can work are 0, but you have to be very close and 100% commit.

[crisp bronze]

Wow
You comboed dummy for 4 hit sword combo

Wp

[toxic walrus]

Fross, that's not entirely true, you just have to lab correctly.

Check all DI angles.

Check dodge.

The lab is reliable.

[crisp bronze]

Gauntlet into dash attack is true combo in almost every scenario

[toxic walrus]

The lab is my home.

[deft torrent]

You two should make out on vc

[crisp bronze]

Try to implement it

[tiny comet]

Delay everything

Just witness marvin crouch through my rekkas

😂

[frozen iris]

His very next tweet is he will never forgive PFG for ruining Garnet combos.

[toxic walrus]

You should let me mourn my child in peace, scoundrel.

[deft torrent]

well damn

[crisp bronze]

Villain is a guy who talking a lot

Then i fight him

And 3 stock him 2 matches in a row

Xd

Its literaly recorded

[toxic walrus]

I've given most of the top Garnet's their lumps, the only one I haven't is Kylo.

Have never played him in ladder.

[tiny comet]

I gotta ask for stats

Smh

150 dmg 4 ring outs

[crisp bronze]

In this new version i only respect opinions of skittles and hog

[tiny comet]

Garnet op

[exotic hemlock]

add a garnet dance perk that makes everyone near her dance bubble instantly die

[crisp bronze]

Bcs they were only people who were challange in garnet vs garnet

[toxic walrus]

Nah, that's a bad measure.

[tiny comet]

Down attack ig helicopter

[toxic walrus]

I hate mirror matches bro.

[crisp bronze]

Mirror is one thing

But i see how someone moves

How he aproche

How he plays neutral

And i see you guys as the only ones who were challanging in these categories

Rest people i just shoulder check

Xd

[toxic walrus]

Lol... time to grind out Garnet I guess.

I really want to keep playing her.

But everytime I IAD after jab I die a little.

[crisp bronze]

Try to do combos with Bash into sair

[toxic walrus]

The muscle memory won't go away lol.

[crisp bronze]

She have some radicoulous combos strings with it

[frozen iris]

Whats funny is, I din't know how to neutral you. And didn't even try to use shoulder check until I fought you.

[crisp bronze]

Classic frosstea eyeopener

[toxic walrus]

Bro thank god the fair is open today, gonna carb load and die of a heart attack from some yummy food.

I can at least binge my sorrows away.

[tiny comet]

My teammates are finally getting exposed

Love to see it

[frozen iris]

What do you mean?

[tiny comet]

Stats in the game

69 dmg 0 ring out superman

He sellin

[crisp bronze]

You will figure it out

You are very good player that i respect

You cant combo with her that much, but she have A LOT
Of good strings

[frozen iris]

Also, tried those combos, if you turn the bot to dodge after hitstun, you can escape every on, So they are burnout only.

[tiny comet]

Ehhh

Ima be honest

Lab is ass

Not as good as it was in the beta

Imo

[frozen iris]

True, it's missing so many features it used to have.

[toxic walrus]

Hold up.

I think I found something.

Will report back later.

Gonna do some field tests.

[crisp bronze]

Kk

[tiny comet]

Ah yes the banana guard sair spam

I see ww players have swapped

[crisp bronze]

@toxic walrus i will be on home in like an hour

Lets Play bo5 then

[tiny comet]

175 dmg

3 ringouts

Love to see

[crisp bronze]

Oh
They can't abuse op character so they swapping

No way

[tiny comet]

😒

Lots of stripe

Neat

[signal dirge]

I said that was good and you said unpopular opinion

[tiny comet]

Hmm

[exotic hemlock]

is joker still on top?

[signal dirge]

Also you can angle the gauntlets up if you whiff to get an anti air

Actually let me not say thay

[tiny comet]

Hmm i see

Agendas

[tiny comet]

Before it gets nerfed

😂

[signal dirge]

It's good against people who start combos w dair

[tiny comet]

Garnet D tier

If you lose to her youre bad

If you win with her youre good

[signal dirge]

I could kiss you

That's why I love low tiers

Garnet bottom -5

[tiny comet]

Im talking about 2s

[signal dirge]

I only play 2s

[tiny comet]

Cuz ima 2s player

I can do both but i enjoy chaos

[signal dirge]

2s feel sillier than 1s and I've already burnt out of smash taking it seeiously

[crisp bronze]

I said gauntlet is better than in beta is unpopular opinion

[signal dirge]

Yall struggle because you take seriously what the gods made for fun

[crisp bronze]

Xd

[signal dirge]

Oh. Tbh I didn't play her much in the beta

[crisp bronze]

Im competerive rat

That's why

[upbeat fable]

It's unpopular cause it's wrong

[signal dirge]

Actually no. I can't remember anything about the beta it was Yeats ago

[crisp bronze]

Unpopular opinion

They overbuffed broken Jason

[upbeat fable]

They did overbuff jab

I can admit that much

[signal dirge]

Lmao. Let him have it. Aslong as the meta changes this quick it'll stay fresh

[crisp bronze]

Didnt expect that

Falled on my own move

Fck

[upbeat fable]

Bro it's his best move now

[tiny comet]

Missed ya bud

😏

[upbeat fable]

It's an anti air with the range of old Joker jab which is now also faster and is a kill confirm

[upbeat fable]

Missed you too

[signal dirge]

Woaah

[tiny comet]

[signal dirge]

Jason is so fun to fight tho so a good one will be actually fun

[upbeat fable]

Yea it's so fun

[signal dirge]

Unlike iron giant who wasn't fun to fight when he was good or bad

[upbeat fable]

Killswitch

[crisp bronze]

i will still side b clover into oblivion tho

[tiny comet]

Jason op

[crisp bronze]

[upbeat fable]

I beg of you to not

I'm not playing much now

Until Jason's back

[signal dirge]

Did they killswitch him?

[upbeat fable]

Yes

You know the thing they said they fixed where Velma got stuck on people?

Jason could do it vs the entire cast by pressing 2 buttons

[crisp bronze]

XD

[signal dirge]

Aaahhh

Well yep that'll do it

[upbeat fable]

Up special insta dodge

[crisp bronze]

Spaghetti code attacks again

[upbeat fable]

It's not even spaghetti

It's a whirlpool

Which breaks everything inside of it as it keeps going

[crisp bronze]

Jesus
Pfg get everything they could ask for to have good game

Their incompetence is just stellar

[signal dirge]

Ngl I love it tho. New bugs are fun. New metas are fun.

[upbeat fable]

I don't love when my main gets taken away

Ngl

[crisp bronze]

Suprising

[upbeat fable]

IG players deserve it tho

[crisp bronze]

Bias is real

[upbeat fable]

Every IG player I saw with the wins badge for him in the week he was killswitched were all playing Joker and fishing for the TOD

So yes

I am biased against the meta slaves

[crisp bronze]

You are the real one

[tiny comet]

Garnet needs some higher dmg numbers

[signal dirge]

Trueee

[crisp bronze]

I think she should deal 28 damage with side b

Instead of mere 18

[upbeat fable]

-_-

[signal dirge]

Let's comp at 23?

[crisp bronze]

Good

[signal dirge]

Numbers are lame. Just hit them

[crisp bronze]

She will do 50 with 3 hits

Lezz goo

[upbeat fable]

...

[crisp bronze]

But being real

[upbeat fable]

HOW BOUT NO

[crisp bronze]

Numbers are her last problem

[signal dirge]

Garnet should be. You can smack her around but if you hit her while she's set up or something you punish them to hell and back

[crisp bronze]

Like
She hits almost as hard as Jason

While she can still combo you

[signal dirge]

She should be a daintier Jason

[golden sapphire]

damn they gave jason players more warning than they did for the marker perk

[upbeat fable]

She's a Jason without disjoints

And more combos to compensate

For less kill power

[signal dirge]

The marker perk sucks anyways without cheese

[upbeat fable]

Just use 5% fr fr

[signal dirge]

I run groove but I'm starting to think 5% is better

[crisp bronze]

^

[signal dirge]

Still gonna run groove tho

[frozen iris]

Groove is bad, since it's small percent chance. Always take the guaranteed.

[crisp bronze]

Perks for her are more stats

[signal dirge]

Purple gloves make the finger wag taunt better tho

[crisp bronze]

Like
You literaly running stats as main perk
Damage, weekness/speed, damage

[signal dirge]

I run groove. Starting armor troll tactics and pugalist

[upbeat fable]

"You're just mad cause you're single"

[crisp bronze]

They nerfed weekness perk btw?

Or its untoched

Bcs i didnt read entire patch

[upbeat fable]

Untouched

[crisp bronze]

XD

[upbeat fable]

Everyone was running Last stand

So they nerfed protective momentum

[signal dirge]

Who was running it

[crisp bronze]

We killing tanks at 70 with this one 🎊🎊🎊

[upbeat fable]

Everyone and their mother

Last stand is broken

[signal dirge]

Protective momentum?

[upbeat fable]

In like every way

[upbeat fable]

No, that one's fair

[crisp bronze]

Its literaly god state perk

[signal dirge]

Oh yeah last stand is what I use when I don't use troll tactics

Tho I might like the platform more it's not for garnet I feel

[crisp bronze]

When you 5 stacks garnet clap kills at FCKING 50

[signal dirge]

Unless I want a cheesy clap kill

[frozen iris]

I'll stick with Garnet. I need to learn neutral. She hits hard. I'll see what happens when Raven comes out (unless she's the Go verison)

[upbeat fable]

I'm gonna play Jason

When he comes out

Again

[toxic walrus]

Same.

[crisp bronze]

I will still Play garnet
I have good grasp on her
And i like her gameplay

Forcing people out of their comfort zone always works for me

[frozen iris]

I'm not sold, but It's fine. And I don't really want to play Harley or Supes again (beta mains)

[signal dirge]

I'm sticking with garnet for sure

Me giving last stand to the enemy every start of match by taunting each time

[upbeat fable]

I chose Garnet for a few reasons

And then Jason appeared

[crisp bronze]

I will stand with my words and will still tell people that she is much better than some crybabies talking

[upbeat fable]

And they nerfed Gauntlets from beta

[tiny comet]

[upbeat fable]

So I'm just sad

[signal dirge]

I'll stand by my word and tell people she's much lower than she actually is

[crisp bronze]

see zel

I told you

[signal dirge]

Garnet bottom -34

[crisp bronze]

About unpopular opinion

On gauntlet

[upbeat fable]

Ok but like

[trail jewel]

man! lower input buffer really makes a difference

[upbeat fable]

The biggest dopamine hit I got in beta

Is spiking with gauntlets