Finn The Human

[shy dagger]

that s what i wanna know

[tame sequoia]

brother HOW

like am i missing an input or setting or something because yall are short hopping millimeters from the ground and i have no idea how

especially jab jab nair i can't land it for the life of me i jump too fkn high😭

[shy dagger]

u need to iad it

how pls

[finite sky]

I’ll send a clip in a sec

[idle turret]

Iad sair dair or just iad dair depends on character weight and stuff

[idle turret]

It's called an instant air dodge (IAD) basically dodge horizontally upwards (↗️ ) and input an attack

[shy dagger]

he sent me the clip and it s more off an offstage kill

so iad nair then side air 1 and dair

[idle turret]

I mean that's just a more complicated version of the same combo😭

And i think they're more likely to be able to escape that

[shy dagger]

fr? can i get a clip am dumb

cuz i don't think i understood what you meant

so you start with jab and iad side air that goes offstage and follow up with dair?

[idle turret]

So instead of doing the nair then doing sair dair, just do sair1 dair

[shy dagger]

got it

[idle turret]

Can also just skip the sair sometimes and do dair but that depends on a lot

[shy dagger]

i am going in ranked with him

doing pretty good

i like him

[idle turret]

He's rlly good this patch

[shy dagger]

also what s the main perks?

i am running the more dmg on backpack, snowball, speed and pugilist

[idle turret]

Backpack boost
Snowball
Last stand(no longer equipable so either speed or air walker)
Pugilist

[shy dagger]

alrr

i might need some sparring and coaching if someone wants to

[fallow gorge]

how the heck do you deal with disadvantage in the finn ditto. Im actually so bad at this ditto i like never win it

crying fr

i probably just need practice on it but idk when I have the time for it

[real zephyr]

Never jab first

[junior kraken]

You guys have combos pls ? I struggle to find any

[torpid ginkgo]

boo

[topaz sparrow]

a small one is if your on playstation, finn side square twice then down square ito side special and up special

[junior kraken]

Thanks i'll try when i can

If you have others could you tell me pls ?

[topaz sparrow]

yeah ill figure some out

im maining finn at the current moment so im sure ill find some in the future

[torpid ginkgo]

i got u homie

[junior kraken]

Thanks

[idle turret]

#combos message

Here's a couple advanced ones

[finite sky]

Literally it’s camp or die sadly

Just never approach and you win 😔

[idle turret]

Not necessarily

[fallow gorge]

I think my main issue is I find myself trying to get back to neutral and I just get jabbed again. I also often get pushed too hard and end up cornered and jabbed. Is it good to jump and try and bait up slashes?

[junior kraken]

U can modify that to jab jab down attack up attack side special up special works on low

[idle turret]

If ur not holding jab and they are try and approach from above or with sair special

[fallow gorge]

ahhh so like locking on with the side b

[finite sky]

I mean yeah you can dodge guess

But other than that realistically whoever waits longer usually has the upper hand

[idle turret]

So

I may have made a mistake

[torpid ginkgo]

what

[rocky falcon]

What did they changed on Finn today =0?

Does he can still do the IAD funny new combos =c?

[stuck tide]

They buff him y’all are eating good

[rocky falcon]

Really =0000?

Yaaaaaaaaay nwn

[idle turret]

Sair change

[idle turret]

No they didn't

[idle turret]

There's an error in patch notes where it says they increased whiff on sair1, while actually it increased on hit lag making us lose all our combos

[rocky falcon]

Dude, why Finn has to be changed every weak 😭

Sometimes I feel useless learning new combos bc of that TwT

[torpid ginkgo]

i just think its a bug

i hope

[fallow gorge]

bro why would they do this, it literally makes this move nearly useless now

[brave spade]

we will have to wait again for a hot fix T_T

[fallow gorge]

praying

cuz sair 1 is actually useless now

he actually feels ruined im so sad now

[torpid ginkgo]

time to wait

[fallow gorge]

i suppose

I wouldve been fine if they removed the sair 1 into up air stuff but feels way too far

[torpid ginkgo]

its just a bug gang

give em a day

or 2 weeks tbh

[fallow gorge]

worst case scenario is that we wait until season end

but hopefully thats not the case

[rocky falcon]

Thats what im feeling will happen.

[coral void]

nah if you don't go out and lose a nubillion games on finn they'll never notice

[torpid ginkgo]

i love the cycle of them not wanting to actually balance Finn

and making changes that either make him extremely OD or awkward to play

[coral void]

honestly i started playing finn because i thought he was gonna be safe from dev goofing

[torpid ginkgo]

no

this characters history is maybe the worst in the game

Actually

[coral void]

that's the impression i got in the beta when i never played him

[torpid ginkgo]

Behind IG

they just don’t like balancing Finn

and would rather take stuff away from him

turning him more and more into the little mac of mvs

[coral void]

it's pretty cringe i just remember him being op as hell the entire beta lol

[torpid ginkgo]

op at the start

strong by the end

[fallow gorge]

yeah it really feels like they just keep changing him to have less than what he used to

the whiff lag on sair 1 would be a fine nerf tbh

like I wouldnt mind that since it would make it easier to fight against if he whiffs, or he just commits to sair 2

[rocky falcon]

What about giving Finn a triple-jump perk c=?

[shy dagger]

jack give jump boost so he jumps good

[real zephyr]

What did they do to fair 1

[real zephyr]

More like just readd it

[fallow gorge]

it was supposed to has increased whiff lag after it, but instead they made it on hit lag so it lost all of its combo potential

[real zephyr]

Awesome

I love how they don't know how to balance him along with jake

[fallow gorge]

yeah its most likely a bug

[real zephyr]

It's pretty funny

[fallow gorge]

fr

[real zephyr]

Hope so

[fallow gorge]

its either the wrong change or the patch showed the wrong thing, praying its the former

[real zephyr]

Why are they changing him btw

Oh my goodness

[coral void]

if the patch notes were wrong it'd be significantly easier to fix that and they haven't so i'm starting to think it's bug or malicious intent from one dev who slipped that past everyone

pfg should do an internal investigation over this

literally amongus

except they have logs of who changed what probably

[finite sky]

Forward air?

[real zephyr]

Yeah

[finite sky]

Just fyi the MVS community calls those sair

Cause we don’t technically have a back air

Just in case you ever see sair mentioned and don’t know what it means

[real zephyr]

I'm a smasher I just call things how they are in smash

[finite sky]

But they made it hit more consistently into sair (or fair) 2

No I get it

Just letting you know to prevent confusion

[real zephyr]

Ty dw ik I've been here long enough too figure that out

[brave spade]

always the same with finn, I see other character more and more OP with shields and also projectiles, we only had our speed to rely on (not even the bag pack) now is really hard, Finns weight is 55 it doesn't make sense.

[real zephyr]

He's either really good in one patch or he's just alright in the next

[coral void]

finn mains gonna have to focus on schoolwork after this one

[stuck tide]

Bruh wtf? I mean that makes sense but also why lie?

[old hull]

Finn got NUKED😭😭💀

I’m done learning combos when he gets changed every patch

[broken kindle]

#combos message then watch these 2 combos that were the only ones I could find

[real zephyr]

Seems I'm playing ppg and jack for a bit

[finite sky]

Yup just forget his whole insane combo game oppressive disjointed jab fast aerials and insanely ranged dash attack that’s also a kill move 😭

[finite sky]

With shields?

Honestly I think you can just bait them by doing jab 2 after jab 1

[real zephyr]

I think he's talking about fair

[finite sky]

Cause they assume you’ll just dodge back after

Forward/side air?

[real zephyr]

Yuh

[finite sky]

Oh

[real zephyr]

With the bug

I hope it's a bug

[finite sky]

What was the bug?

[real zephyr]

I don't know from what I hear they did something to fair 1 so we have little to no combos

[torpid ginkgo]

sair 1 has 9 frames of on hit whiff after using it unless you use sair 2

which means you cant sair 1 into anything other than sair 2 now

[finite sky]

Ew

Why??

[torpid ginkgo]

hoping bug

or someone at pfg is illiterate and can’t write correctly

[finite sky]

Wait so it’s on whiff or on hit??

[torpid ginkgo]

on hit whiff

[finite sky]

Wait huh??

[torpid ginkgo]

its like

[finite sky]

How is it on hit whiff

So like if you land it?

[torpid ginkgo]

move lockout for every other option other than sair 2

[finite sky]

Bruhhh

[torpid ginkgo]

if you try sair 1 backpack

[finite sky]

Why dawg

It was fine how it was

That lead to so many combo routes

[torpid ginkgo]

there is a 9 frame window between the sair and backpack

[finite sky]

😔

The fact they said the Banana Guard up tilt attack chain was a “bug”

Like they didn’t literally update it to do that 😑

[torpid ginkgo]

this also kills IAD sair

no more IAD sair into u tilt or d tilt

[finite sky]

Oof man

Hopefully it gets reverted

Or toned down

[torpid ginkgo]

reverted

this may be my opinion but

changes like this

As well with jokers up air and toms paddle

are awful

rather than balancing the move

they make it feel really clunky for no reason

Lazy is all i can say

[finite sky]

Yeah

[rain nova]

Is his first forward air not able to combo into other attacks now

[torpid ginkgo]

yes

[rain nova]

Idk it feels like this character gets changed every patch

[torpid ginkgo]

@rain nova

[rain nova]

Man it just feels weird to combo with him now

[torpid ginkgo]

you can’t lol

we lost everything

[rain nova]

Pain

[finite sky]

Yeah

It’s goofy

Was the whole point of his character not to be the fast anti zoner combo DI read character??

Why get rid of his ability to do combos?

Cause then he’s just a hit and run type character

[torpid ginkgo]

jab jab BMO

[finite sky]

Literally

[torpid ginkgo]

I fixed Finns model for PFG

[finite sky]

Oh lol

Little Mac?

[torpid ginkgo]

Little Finn

[finite sky]

Lmao

[coral void]

they still haven't changed patch notes, almost certainly a bug

[viral orbit]

what combos still work on finn

[idle turret]

The really basic stuff that doesn't include sair unless it's at the end

[viral orbit]

lovely

[finite sky]

Basically jab jab IAD nair jump sair 1 and 2

[jagged stream]

Finn's jab hitbox is poor and very painful...😞
I'm so bad at it, my jab is my lifeline.

[torpid ginkgo]

its all we have

[real zephyr]

Never give up

[sage kindle]

Finn my homie

Hope we get Robot Arm Alt

[torpid ginkgo]

he has one on baseball skin

[finite sky]

Yup

[fallow gorge]

I kinda hope we get more skins with his unique swords

he has so many different swords across the series and it sucks we only have 3 of them

[finite sky]

Legit man

Like Pajama Finn could’ve had the root sword

[fallow gorge]

like give me my demon blood sword bro

[finite sky]

Prince Hotbod could’ve used the small sword

Idk which skin would be the demon blood sword tho

[fallow gorge]

not sure either, would be cool if we had something with his hair out too

maybe like a new taunt

[finite sky]

Honestly I wish we could just choose the sword he uses for some skins

[fallow gorge]

that would be really cool

[finite sky]

Maybe Shoko would have the demon blood sword if that becomes a skin

[fallow gorge]

bro we NEED a shoko and fionna skin 😭

im so mad we dont have fionna yet

even though cake gets two skins

and she has the crystal sword so it would be perfect

[pastel blaze]

Finn feels like trash now

Side air feels so bad

What even happened

[broken kindle]

they nerfed finn and did nothing to rick even thought finn can die at 30 to a black adam charge thing cause they made him the lightest character in the game it feels like

[torpid ginkgo]

weight charts exist

[broken kindle]

they're all from launch or beta so I assume they're out of date I hope in the future in the lab they add weight visualization, bot di control, and specific attack control like only jab or only dair

[rain nova]

All Finn can do now is jab combo then bait a dodge then jab combo again

[broken kindle]

yeah it's honestly very boring to play finn rn

[torpid ginkgo]

spread sheet for every characters values exists

[coral void]

so they still haven't fixed it huh

guess i'm spamming jab string on jack so this playerbase feels my pain

i'm losing it 🫠

[torpid ginkgo]

use IAD uair

[coral void]

thanks chief

[shy dagger]

use uptilt too

at the end

[torpid ginkgo]

if they are heavy

or suck at the game

[shy dagger]

or medium

[torpid ginkgo]

most meds can make it out

at least when i play against jack as meds

[shy dagger]

yeah but still worth it after 20

[shy dagger]

jacks only get it at like 40-50 or something

but for jacks u better probably going for the read route

since he doesn't have much to contest you with

[jagged stream]

The dash attack duds have decreased, but now I see frequent ground down attack duds.🤢
I feel it has gotten worse since the 10/15 update, which was supposed to be a rather improved adjustment in this day's update... why...

[stuck tide]

Wdym? You can’t expect them to nerf every character to Jake level unless they are Jake. Get good

[idle turret]

Me when im illiterate

[torpid ginkgo]

he’s probably just making it into middle school, be nice

[brave spade]

finn still in the same situation of last hot fix?

[idle turret]

Yeah no changes since

[finite sky]

😭

Idc if they nerf his damage or speed bring back combo routes off sair 1

[brave spade]

I knew this would happen when they took away the bag pack, this was my fear two weeks ago

[rain nova]

I felt that weakening the backpack perk was fair

But taking away fair 1 cancel, one of his most important combo tools, is just too far

[brave spade]

the problem it that i think they buffed us to take the bag pack away without to much complainging, and then nerf us again

[finite sky]

Legit

Revert backpack and sair 1, yes backpack is slower now but it’s literally stronger and dumber now than before

It’s a genuine “clash with me and you die” move when your opponent is at high percentages now

And you can just press it out of disadvantage just to basically give an F u to your opponent

Sair 1 being able to lead to all of Finn’s combo routes is what made him fun, it gave his character identity

They could just make it so he does less damage or something

But getting rid of all his fun and cool combo routes to make it the one optimal sair 1 and sair 2 just makes him feel way less fun

Plus it feels like they implemented an F u Finn mechanic where he struggles to kill at lower percentages off the top blast zone

[torpid ginkgo]

or give us pre season 3 Finn. He was fine

[finite sky]

Because I’ve found a 35 to death dodge + DI read combo that isn’t even consistent

Because you have to get lucky that the game doesn’t literally pull them back to the ground by the devil himself

Not to mention the combo requires both proper DI on your part and praying the opponent also DIs the way you want

And it’s barely worth it because if you miss they can just up air you and make you lose a stock

Like now the only really optimal combo is jab jab IAD nair jump up air turn around sair 1 and 2

And that’s about it

[old hull]

I dropped Finn after the sair change

[brave spade]

and finn also has a bug error on the down special, when you try to purchase with coin fast it doesn't buy what you selected, I recorded it and have proof in slow motion xD I was trying to buy bmo and end up with the projectile shield

[fallow gorge]

im trying to get finn to masters in 1v1s and then im done with him this season, hes just so much more unfun to play right now

im already in at least top 10 in 2s so if I get to masters in 1s ill be satisfied

[brave spade]

I just reported a bug that finn has with down special and mention the sair problem, Illl leave the link here https://multiversus.bugs.wbgames.com/bug/MVS-5494 so if someone wants to add up some info or self expirience with this issues I think well have a better chance of being heard

[pliant cargo]

This character is so carried by their framedata

[pearl raptor]

Any else agree Finn with the new changes feels bad to play now?

[coral void]

i'll @ you when it's useable again

[coral void]

everyone agrees

[fallow gorge]

really do hope it gets fixed because it really is crippling his potential

[finite sky]

He isn’t fun anymore

[finite sky]

I mean he is a combo heavy rushdown

[pliant cargo]

Yea but what I’m saying still applies

If you guys had anymore endlag of ur attacks

Cooked

More whiff

[finite sky]

So like Nubia?

[pliant cargo]

No like stripe

If Finn was like Nubia it would be too harsh

No non tank deserves Nubia’s framedata

[finite sky]

I feel like they should give his tilts more endlag

I think having fast aerials is fine imo

If they tweak is grounded moves to be a tiny bit slower in return for getting our combo routes back I’d be fine

Honestly just make jab and up tilt slower

And I’d say he’s tweaked enough

[pliant cargo]

Yea that will be perfect

I don’t mind getting you guys getting the combo routes back as long as the tilts are a bit more punishable

[real zephyr]

Everyone agrees

I honest to god stopped playing after those changes

The game was getting pretty miserable at that point to

[idle turret]

Speaking of

Why the hell did they reduce whiff on rick jab???

[real zephyr]

Pfg moment idk

[coral void]

We shouldn't have to compromise because one malicious ass hat hates us and ruined our character on purpose

No other game has this crap happen

We should be compensated for this infact

[rocky falcon]

I loved changes before they ruined sair 1 to sair 2. The backpack need a rework again. It sometimes not connects as other upairs specials do TwT

[torpid ginkgo]

i just got the advice from a top BA to “approach and contest him in air”

anti advice moment

[coral void]

If it's going to be treated like a one-hit move you shouldn't be able to dodge through the entire thing like a multihit and be forced to let it keep going It's absolutely ridiculous how little thought they put into changes

does finn really need to have the most punishable move in the game

[bright creek]

braindead is the only way to describe it

[torpid ginkgo]

i mean backpack can still randomly delete

[bright creek]

it was never that oppressive mf just mad they were getting caught top of the blaszone with a multihi

[idle turret]

It does make him better in 2s now

So that's like a benefit ig

[coral void]

how many characters don't randomly delete somehow for no good reason but less punishably

[rocky falcon]

Thats what I thought too. It shouldn't dodgable that easy =c

[pliant cargo]

What’s the worst di to deal with

[finite sky]

Probably out and down?

[pliant cargo]

Thanks

[finite sky]

If they do down and out and their in the air just go for aerial side special angled down

[idle turret]

In and up or down and out

Although down and out can benefit use sometimes so look out

[pliant cargo]

Bro wants the opponents to not move at all😭

[idle turret]

Nah in and up makes it so u go too high after a nair for a proper 0td

But if u hold down and out we can dtilt jab

Depending on %

[pliant cargo]

Oh yea I got hit by that

And is dtilt uptilt true? Or can you Di out of that one

[idle turret]

Sometimes yes sometimes no

Depends on DI

Basically what the general idea is, di in and up get hit by uptilt, di down and out get jabbed/dash attack

[brave spade]

I cant win against lebron 1v1 is just me? can someone help how to deal with him in 1v1 I get really mad with all his flying balls and combos T_T i keep buying shields but doesnt help to much.

[torpid ginkgo]

its a really good MU for us

Just side air special the balls

and buy armor

[idle turret]

armour is genuine overkill side special is enough 😭

[coral void]

t&j piss me off so bad in 2v2s

i imagine he's easier in 1s but i feel like my anti-projectile tools aren't enough

projectile characters are always partied up with other projectile crap too

like what i'm just expected to side special everything and not even play the game?

it's not as easy as you people make it look man

[idle turret]

Yeah in 2s id recommend buns cuz it's not just you being attacked there

[coral void]

my impulse to actually play multiversus instead of minesweeper overpowers me and i lose 😔

[dense wigeon]

Did They gut Finn in the last patch? I haven't played him much since season 1, but I cannot seem to get Sair 1 to connect into anything now.

[torpid ginkgo]

yep

sair 1 doesnt go into anything other than sair 2 now

that was the nerf

[idle turret]

U can very rarely do sair side special

[dense wigeon]

Is that true or does it depend on the %

The best thing I found is SA1, SA2, IAD, Nair, Uair, Sair1 Sair 2.

I swear he to be able to do Side attack 1-2, IAD Down Special but it seems like you can dodge out of it now. Was that nerfed too?

[stuck tide]

Finn can still attack me please fix

[coral void]

still salty over a midtier

[torpid ginkgo]

bro he’s clearly trolling

[stuck tide]

lol Exactly

[snow schooner]

@foggy wren im sorry but you must have used jab 200 times in one match

and I thought I jabbed alot 😭

all love tho ggs brother

[timid linden]

Finn:
Backpack: it’s randomized which item he’ll get but he’ll always get an item worth 500, 600, and 1000 coins each time. (Including the ones already in game)

500: HOLD STILL
Finn’s neutral special (High Five, Dude!) stuns opponents. The blast PROJECTILE around him when hitting teammates stuns opponents too. Disappears after one use

600: Throwin’ Stones:
Turn Finn’s down special air (Algebraic Stomp) into Throwin stones.
Finn will pay some GOLD then throw a GEM ITEM PROJECTILE forward. He will dash to the GEM by doing his Side Air Special. If he has no gold, he will throw an eaten apple ITEM PROJECTILE that does minor damage to enemies.

1000: BILLY!
Finns neutral special (High Five, Dude!) turns into a HEAVY PROJECTILE blast from Billy’s gauntlet. Has a COOLDOWN that turns the projectile into normal projectiles

500: Finn cakes:
Finn grabs a Finn cake. He can use neutral special (High Five, Dude!) to take it himself, or down special (Sweet Deals!) to throw it and be picked up later on by him or a teammate. When taken by either him or his teammate, they’re both healed 5%

600: Its sheildin’ time!:
Give Finn a shield, when he does his side special (Get Skronked!) instead of destroying opponent projectiles, he reflects them

1000: Grass arm boi!:
Finns arm becomes the grass arm and his neutral special (High Five, Dude!) becomes a very powerful grass arm whip COMBO. Though it has heavy start and end lag and isn’t disjointed

[idle turret]

Why aint u reply to me last time buddy

[snow schooner]

my bad 🙏

[idle turret]

I aint queue into you in a while u still playing a lot or no?

[snow schooner]

eh

occasinally

playin alot of cod recently

[idle turret]

Fair

Not playing much either

Waiting for S4

[snow schooner]

ong

waiting for Marceline

we should run some 1v1s some time

[idle turret]

Id be down just lmk

[snow schooner]

I mean im good to play in like 20 or so mins if you want?

[idle turret]

Nah i was just about to head to bed

Some other time though

[snow schooner]

aight

sounds good

[brave spade]

imposible against batman without a combo route, PFG must fix finn otherwise theyll loose players, I think im good till season 4 hope i like marceline playstyle as much as i liked finns before.

[sweet drift]

u abandoned us lebrons 😔

[pliant cargo]

Last time I mained LeBron was in s1 😭

[sweet drift]

understandable ngl

[pliant cargo]

I was just trying to get info on how bad Finns deal with Di

[sweet drift]

both the character and this game are ass lol

[sweet drift]

what DI

This game barely has DI 💀

[pliant cargo]

As soon as his jab hitstun got nerfed i dropped him

[sweet drift]

the what now

[pliant cargo]

Ngl true 😭. Finn can react to like any tiny di

[pliant cargo]

#clips message I used to do this a lot with lebron

But they removed jab 2x - airwalker jab2x

[maiden flare]

thi combo still haunts my dreams

diabolical combo

[idle turret]

Di is so easy to track if ur finn

[pliant cargo]

^ yup

Finn needs nerfs

[rain nova]

They should buff Finn and let him combo any move into any other move

[finite sky]

Aerial side special

[finite sky]

Not nerfs but tweaks

Get rid of the goofy sair 1 follows into sair 2

Return combo routes off of sair 1

Nerf his damage

Maybe tweak his speed down a tiny bit

Revert backpack cause now it’s just a goofy clash with me and I win move

[idle turret]

Nah not just that, it's really easy to see where someones going, for instance if ur doing a dtilt u can tell if they held in our out, and being able to react to that lets you combo out of it easier

[idle turret]

Needs weaker neutral game and removal of that 0td off of jab in exchange for more expression and nicer combos

Like the ones i found that were taken within 2 weeks😢

[finite sky]

Yeah lol

[idle turret]

(They were dumb but still)

[finite sky]

Like jab jab IAD down air

Super easy to DI read

[idle turret]

Not true on every character though and cant combo at low%

[idle harbor]

I lowkey want the finns to be in alliance with Lebrons

like as a faction

[pliant cargo]

Finn nerf: the longer you charge your attacks, the more whiff you will have.

Example of how much whiff on full charge: Nubia jab whiff

[pliant cargo]

-# no compensation

[idle turret]

ok but now all you've encouraged is a world with dodge jab finn

[pliant cargo]

Like every character I don’t mind

[idle turret]

I would

[rocky falcon]

Now I wanna have Finn cakes. in game. They are adorable 😭 💚🩵 Gimme gimme

[shrewd trout]

Ideas for finn: make it so he can only hold moves for half a second, make it so he can't use neutral air on ledge or near it (It gets disabled) and he has to wait 2 full seconds after using a move to use another move.

To compensate: buff his down special (make everything 30 coins less)

[idle turret]

Finn changes incoming

Gulp

[maiden forge]

What’s the news?

[idle turret]

not much, they hinted at finn changes in the stream

and devs were talking about finn gem in chat

[maiden forge]

Man every time they give Finn anything they also take haha

[finite sky]

Fr?

Why bring back gem??

He worked in this current game engine best as the speedy rushdown combo DI read character

Now we’re bringing back gem into side special spam?

[idle turret]

not 100% just speculation

[real zephyr]

How we feeling abt the patch

[idle turret]

It's joever

[real zephyr]

I skimmed through it

Is it bad

[snow schooner]

I can’t tell

Some things are okay

But some of the nerfs are just… ouch 😞

[rocky falcon]

It is too bad?

😔

[coral void]

we'll be fine c:

[late aurora]

Let flacoco cook with new mechanics, im sure the community will be crying soon again about him

[idle turret]

🗿

Right

[terse wasp]

they could remove finn from the game and people would still find a way to complain about him dw

[brave spade]

I think literally the same, since mvs launched finn lost the gem, nair, up special, and now the air side special among other things.... they should delete him if they dont like the character, ill choose another player as a main im so tired of learning to play with finn over and over and over... makes no sense.

[shadow condor]

yeah i saw finn genn in the leaks and was so happy and then its not there

[rain nova]

Yall mind if I copy paste the patch notes for Finn here?

[shadow condor]

ngl yeah i’m done with the game because it’s dumb ash

[rain nova]

General

• Air movement speed increased to 1900 from 1775
  ~ Boots of speed buff visuals updated
  Passive
• Ally coin buff increased to 2 damage per stack from 1 damage per stack
• Ally coin buff now loses only 1 stack on-hit, down from all stacks
• Ally coin buff now grants armor break on max (5) stacks
  Ground Neutral Attack
• Knockback scaling increased to 18 from 15.5
  ~ Hitpause increased
  – On-whiff cancel window delayed 10 frames
  Ground Side Attack 1
  ~ Animation and attack properties have been updated, hitbox size adjusted to match new visuals
  Ground Side Attack 2
  ~ Animation and attack properties have been updated, hitbox size adjusted to match new visuals
  Ground Side Attack 3
• Damage increased to 6 from 5.5
  – Knockback reduced to 1750 from 1900
  – Knockback scaling reduced to 16 from 18
  ~ Knockback angle made more horizontal
• Hitstun increased
  Ground Up Attack
  – Uncharged knockback reduced to 1100 from 1350
  ~ Finn now launches himself to one height, regardless of charge
  Ground Down Attack
• First hit knockback influence multiplier decreased to 0 from 1.0
  ~ Second hit hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals
  – Second hit knockback influence multiplier increased to 1.15 from 1.0
  – On-hit cancel window delayed 3 frames

Air Neutral Attack
~ Knockback angle made more horizontal
– Hitstun reduced
– Knockback influence multiplier increased to 1.15 from 1.0
Air Side Attack 1

• Hitstun increased
  ~ Hitpause reduced
• On-hit cancel window advanced 1 frame
  – On-hit cancel window into Air Down Attack delayed 6 frames
• On-whiff cancel window advanced 15 frames; now matches on-whiff cancel into Air Side Attack 2
  – Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Finn
  Air Side Attack 2
  – On-hit cancel window delayed 8 frames
  – Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Finn
  Air Up Attack
• Knockback increased to 1300 from 1100
• Knockback scaling increased to 14 from 10
  ~ Knockback angle made more horizontal
  – On-hit cancel window delayed 10 frames
  – On-whiff cancel window delayed 8 frames
  ~ Hitbox size adjusted to better match visuals
• Now maintains more momentum during attack
  Air/Ground Neutral Special
  – Start-up window increased 2 frames
• Hitbox active duration increased 2 frames
• Ally shockwave now always spawns when high-fiving an ally
  ~ Now limits fall speed during attack recovery
  Air/Ground Neutral Special (BMO)
  – Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Finn
• Now breaks armor
  Air Side Special
  – Now no longer automatically tracks towards nearest enemy or enemy projectile
  – Now no longer has an active hitbox while Finn is dashing
• Finn can now intentionally angle his side special dash up or down
• Attack can now be charged, reducing minimum start-up window until movement by 8 frames
• Sweetspot hitbox added to Finn’s sword tip

[shadow condor]

cause in all honesty, finn is stoppable. The fact that they nerfed his damage to up it back up is so dumb😭

the ground up attack is bad now

[terse wasp]

I really don’t like the nerfs to the Combo game we still try to salvage

Like with up air cancel window.

idk still need to obviously mess around in game and test everything out. Since they wanna change finn every season. But these changes are kindaa ehhhhhh

[shadow condor]

– Now no longer automatically tracks towards nearest enemy or enemy projectile
– Now no longer has an active hitbox while Finn is dashing

• Finn can now intentionally angle his side special dash up or down
• Attack can now be charged, reducing minimum start-up window until movement by 8 frames
• Sweetspot hitbox added to Finn’s sword tip

[rocky falcon]

BMO now breaks armor!

Yay

Wait, special sair doesn't work anymore like Sonic the Hedgehog funny homing attack =c?

Noooo

[real zephyr]

No more budget homing attack

Atleast we get tipper again

[glad badge]

New ground side attack animation looks nice

[timid linden]

can you show me?

I can’t play currently

[glad badge]

I can’t send media here

[terse wasp]

Oh air side special is cooked. This blows

[timid linden]

If you have the video you can dm me if you want

If you don’t that’s alr

[shadow condor]

wait….

side special is bad

[finite sky]

It’s horrid

So is jab 1 and 2 change

[pearl raptor]

Wow Finn feels even worse now. They have completely ruined Finn now this patch

[jagged stream]

I was surprised to see that the motion of the jab has changed, but I guess this is just 1 and 2 being swapped.
Is it simply a bug since it is not mentioned in the update?
This is so-so cool, but... the all-important reach...

[terse wasp]

Actually it’s mentioned. It’s just worded horribly

“Ground Side Attack 1
~ Animation and attack properties have been updated, hitbox size adjusted to match new visuals”

And then same thing for side attack 2

[pearl raptor]

Fern skin is broken and plays half of finns normal lines, nice

Can every patch not break multiple skins please lmao

[shadow condor]

yeah yall im out

[jagged stream]

Thank you. I see that you mentioned it.
The transition from 1 to 2 seems so fast that I found it difficult to connect combos when playing with the previous button controls.
I don't know what the actual hitboxes are like, but combined with the loss of reach, this is very hard...🤢

And the bug where I can't buy BMO again...🤢 🤢

[terse wasp]

Yeah finn already felt horrible after the hot fix. This is just the nail in the coffin

people will still complain though while having no idea what they’re talking about. 🙃

[jagged stream]

The frames of occurrence of jab 1 in this version seem to be faster (or maybe it's my optical illusion...).
That may be a good point.🫠
I have always felt that Jab 1 was a little slow.

[glad badge]

Why did they remove the highlight when high five is fully charged and never brought it back

[fallow gorge]

jab one being smaller now is so weird dog im not used to this

[brave spade]

I just tryed finn, and I can say they changed him so much that we can call it frinkestein and it sucks!, looks like they really want to be beaten by marvel rivals that comes out next month.. side special sucks bro! im so tired of this... this game will die.. I lost any type of trust left on pfg...

[old hull]

Finn got NUKED 😭😭💀

[fallow gorge]

yeah this air side b is trash why would i ever use it

[real zephyr]

It was already bad

Budget homing attack

Seems they've made it worse

[fallow gorge]

at least it got rid of projectiles reliably

and fighting someone in burnout was easy af

[real zephyr]

It doesn't now?

[fallow gorge]

it still does, im just talking about how it homed in on them

[real zephyr]

Goodness gracious they do not like finn

[fallow gorge]

but you have to manually aim at them now

[real zephyr]

Oh alright

[brave spade]

it doesnt work, and if you dont hit them just in the exact distance you dont hit at all!

[fallow gorge]

the no hitbox on finn dashing really sucks

likes thats so much space to just walk past him

so terrible

genuinely wonder how they thought this was a good idea

[brave spade]

they just dont care, they only care about raven now.. and most tank players, they truly dont care

if they cared they would of fixed him

[fallow gorge]

and zoners too honestly, this nerf makes zoners way better

[brave spade]

and with shields tanks will had the advantage always cause shields doesnt protect you from grabbing attacks..

so eventually the fan base that like certain characters will leave the game, im not longer willing to relearn over and over.... I got college if i want to study something.. cant have my mind in a game just to be able to hit two attacks

[torpid ginkgo]

How these devs managed to ignore all balance feedback, make the BPs way more scummy, shadow nerf like half the cast that didn't need it and Ruin a character who has already leagues behind the top 5 is insane to me. They also just lied to us about several things. well done, you've made your game actually bad

[fallow gorge]

fr they mentioned finn in the stream like it was gonna be good changes and then we got this

jake too like

its like they said "what if we made superman side b, but worse?"

like ill at least give it a little bit so we can potentially find the utility for this, but for me at least. It seems like a terrible move to use in 2v2s

im curious to see what others finn will have to say as time passes, but the consensus is that this is a terrible change lol

[torpid ginkgo]

every Finn in comp cord hates it

Flacoco, Dutch, Skemor

we all agree it’s awful

im going back 2 dbd

[snow schooner]

Is anyone else getting a glitch where rendomly half way throught the match the cant attack anymore?

[coral void]

all the devs must be bronze if they thought that air side special would be useful in any capacity

[terse wasp]

after playing a lot today I genuinely can’t see the reality where finn isn’t the worst in the game. He doesn’t have, or do anything anymore. This is so frustrating

[snow schooner]

I couldnt agree more honetly

[fallow gorge]

its really unfortunate

like in the most positive scenario, i can see it being a mediocre read callout in 1v1s

2v2s though?

trash

i think the fact that finn doesnt have a hitbox with the dash is the biggest reason

its just so easy to whiff that

and it sucks too cuz I personally kinda like the other things they did

like the jab is way faster now which I like. makes it a lot more possible to do stuff in 2v2s without it getting cancelled

and we got our sair 1 stuff back

oh and bmo breaking armors cool too

[idle turret]

It was deff not bad

But now it is

[fallow gorge]

yeah i think if used properly it was a really good move

plus the consistent invalidation of projectiles was nice too

you could use it expecting a projectile to come out and just stuff out their option

[broken kindle]

I think they made finn garbage with the jab cause how am I supposed to punish if his jab only goes an inch infront of him and now with even more whiff

[real zephyr]

Why even change it in the first place man😔

[coral void]

enough gaslighting. finn was never top tier

[fallow gorge]

i think that side b at its most toxic was in burnout cuz there was literally no escape from it

[real zephyr]

Finn propaganda could work

[fallow gorge]

true maybe he'll get buffed

[idle turret]

Lets not lie

It's why we dont get taken seriously

[broken kindle]

honestly I'd rather have pre-rework finn than this trash balancing

[fallow gorge]

it just really feels they dont know what to do with him

hes gone through so many changes each season

my bros a different character every week

[broken kindle]

to me all they had to do was nerf iad and that would be it but instead they made him unplayable in high ranks

oh and sair hitbox but they did end up fixing that so yeh

[fallow gorge]

kinda wish he got a new perk

everyone uses backpack strength and out-of-business is trash, wish we got a new toy to work with tbh

[coral void]

we don't get taken seriously no matter what we do no matter what state of balance finn is in be radical and subversive

it's time to troll people by existing

[broken kindle]

honesly a perk that replaces side special with gem would be cool

[coral void]

he's the only character that needs iads lol

tons of people in masters who have never done an iad in their life on other characters

[fallow gorge]

with how his side b is now, him being able to teleport to gem being like the only unique trait to that side b would be kinda cool

in the air anyway

i remember coming up with a new perk a bit ago and i thought it was kinda cool

it would just make the first thing finn buys half the coins (or at least rounded down to be even.) but only for the first thing on his first purchase, after that its normal

but thats just my idea lol

[coral void]

ah yes. make finn more of a bmo spammer than he already is. i love 500 coin bmo.

[snow schooner]

I hate to say it but I may quit Fiinn bro

like I actually dont know what to do

I have like 3,700 wins with him

plus idk if anyone else has this but like half through a match it just wont let me attack anymore?

It maybe just a thing for mouse players

[fallow gorge]

I play on controller so I wouldn't know, it could be

but yeah Finns got it ROUGH right now its very hard to find a reason to play him tbh

especially in 2v2s

like zoners are gonna be so much more rampant now that this is nerfed and idk if it's worth trying to go through that

he also gets stuffed out a lot more now that his jab is smaller

so idk, I have roughly 1400 wins on him and I love him to death but man

it just ain't it

[coral void]

i'm continuing to play finn just to make everyone in the match miserable

[coral void]

this sucks man

[vast moth]

it's messed up, i had JUST picked him back up again last season but then these changes make him feel so weird and clunky

they really overcorrected the jab... i fully understand it needed a nerf because it was sooo fast and so disjointed and impossible to punish, but damn, they gutted it

it's got like the tiniest most pathetic range ever now, and personally i can hardly combo off of it since the slashes come out SO FAST that i have trouble inputting my usual jab-jab-dtilt... which you also can't do jab-jab-dtilt-uptilt anymore until your opponent's at 50%, the uptilt just misses now

it's so weird, i've been racking my brain trying to think of what the intention behind these changes could possibly be, because i just cannot figure out any easy combos for gaining coins like i'm used to

[dense wigeon]

Finn feels so bad now. IAD feels useless now with short hops. You don't get any combos off any IAD options either. Like All he has now is Jab > Jab > Utilt > Sair > Ender (Sair2 or Nair or Uair). Its a decent 20% but because of the side special nerfs he doesn't seem to have a great way to punish dodges anymore.

[finite sky]

Leaving with you man, can’t stand PFG balancing

[jagged stream]

I wish they would clarify what they were thinking when they made these changes to the fins.
At least in updates that were largely related to past performance, they provided direction and ideas.

[pliant cargo]

W balancing ngl

Now I can finally punish a Finn

It’s about time, the framedata difference between us was crazy asf

[terse wasp]

you can’t actually can’t do anything BUT complain about finn 💀

[dense wigeon]

They made Finn TOO fair.

[pliant cargo]

My character is fair too

Infact the most fairest in the game

Ur character had one of the best jabs

That literally had a hitbox on the body

[pliant cargo]

I’m not complaining anymore I’m loving these new changes

[dense wigeon]

Yea, it definitely needed to be adjusted. I'm happy with the new Jab. Its just the rest of his kit that is like not so good anymore. Besides being support with Speed boots and Armored buns, Its hard to justify picking Finn over a character like Arya.

[terse wasp]

This is literally every character. Except the difference between finn and jab and a jab like shaggy is finn has a lot of endlag and frame 15 startup. If he’s jabbing just jump.

[pliant cargo]

Nubia doesn’t have a hitbox on the body

Infact Harley slide and Morty crouch can literally avoid our jab

That’s how honest the game should be

[terse wasp]

that’s not honest that’s bad game design 💀

morty crouch goes under everything too. It goes under arya jab and side air

[pliant cargo]

Look at the animation. It shouldn’t hit Morty when he’s crouching. But they need to changes Morty’s crouch yes

I don’t get why he can make hit hurtbox so small like that

[pliant cargo]

Arya jab has a honest hitbox fr fr

[terse wasp]

Zoner privilege. It’s multiversus. Zoner must be good at running away and better than you up close

[pliant cargo]

I hate zoners so much

[terse wasp]

And that’s why finn is great. Literally one of the only few characters that gets rewarded for interacting with their opponent and has to almost always approach

But ig that’s too hard for the zoner players. They gotta keep gutting finn. You can’t be rewarded for approaching in this game

[fallow gorge]

yeah and now with these nerfs, zoners are gonna be able to camp way harder. it really sucks, especially in 2v2s

[terse wasp]

after the hot fix patch in October finn really hasn’t been doing well at all. But the community is still complaining and straight up lying about him so he’s still getting nerfs to his combo game

[fallow gorge]

yeah people just don't stop complaining about him which is stupid

meanwhile Arya and WW refuse to be nerfed

[terse wasp]

Even with no fair combo ability meaning he could not carry you and cheese you already with bad di (mind you even in “pro” play with people with over 10x my playtime omega sweats play. They still can’t comprehend a simple platform fighter mechanic as di and die early)

Because we need to balance Finns gameplay around the playerbase having a bad disadvantage state even in pro play. When it’s as simple as holding away

[fallow gorge]

yeah or just reading Finns options

like

[terse wasp]

That’s just what I don’t get. Why in the highest level of play the playerbase can’t comprehend simple day 1 platform fighter mechanics

[idle turret]

Only complaint i can accept from anyone on finn rn is uptilt, move is carrying this character on its back

[fallow gorge]

that's a valid complaint

[terse wasp]

and why must we be punished for it

It’s like imagine in ultimate right for example. Palutena. She’s got a down throw that if you hold in against she gets back air everytime. And that would be really strong if you couldn’t just hold away with di

With holding out she can’t get anything at all and that’s simple because even at mid maybe even low level play that’s a simple thing to assume and understand

[fallow gorge]

yeah as an ult player I know that too well

[terse wasp]

imagine if they nerfed that because even at the highest level of play people were holding in and di’ing like bots

but they don’t because that literally makes no sense 💀

[fallow gorge]

yeah cuz at that point it's a skill issue

[terse wasp]

But unfortunately that’s how it is in this game. I do not know why this playerbase can’t actually have skill issues fixed for them. They will just complain instead until PFGs fixes it for them so they never have to learn. This community hates learning

and so the Finn gameplay we all love with the character can’t exist and even more needs to be removed just because this playerbase can’t comprehend babies first disadvantage state tool

[fallow gorge]

and honestly I think shields would be a good enough nerf to finn after the on whiff change. If they were actually implemented

[terse wasp]

Imo I do not want shields. It’ll make defensive play even more defensive

[fallow gorge]

yeah that's fair passive play is freaking broken

[terse wasp]

I really truly believe that parrying just needs a rework. Rivals of aether 1 has proved that you don’t need shields. Just a good parry

[fallow gorge]

omg yeah parry suuuuucks

[terse wasp]

It’s 3 frames. Which is the lowest parry by far in any game with parrying

Even traditional fighting games have a bigger window for that

[fallow gorge]

I honestly thought it was one frame, If you told me it was one I'd believe you 💀

like seriously there are times when I'm flashing and it's not a parry like, what????

[terse wasp]

And it could reflect projectiles like rivals and give invuln frames and now everyone has universal counterplay options against zoning and zoner players will get punished more and have to think (which they really don’t want to do) so I doubt that’ll be added

But think about it. Defensive options are now much better with a bigger window. And reflecting projectiles helps against defensive play

You kill two birds with one stone here

[fallow gorge]

yeah that clear the air perk should just be how parries are against projectiles

[terse wasp]

It’s a perk to reflect projectiles but now you’re talking up a valuable perk slot for a should be in game mechanic

[fallow gorge]

literally yeah

like why would I run it over armor killer or pugilist

[terse wasp]

You fix SOOO many issues with the game with just a good parry

[fallow gorge]

it's too niche to be worth picking since not everyone has projectiles

[terse wasp]

you get to deal with aggressive side special spam everyone loves to do and hard to contest burst options. And projectile spam

[fallow gorge]

that's most perks in this game tbh

perks need some serious rebalancing

[terse wasp]

but let’s add shields ig without addressing the already implemented defensive mechanic at all.

[fallow gorge]

yeah and it's so weird too because a lot of the defense options are good, but the defensive perks are seriously bad

dodging in itself is just ridiculous, ESPECIALLY on zoners

[terse wasp]

Yeah. A good parry would help so much

Just please copy over rivals 1 parry 🙏

So much would be improved with such a simple change

[fallow gorge]

fr, especially since there's not spotdodge either

i hate that there's no spot dodge

parrys are still kinda slow too

but that's probably just me being bad at punishing if I actually manage to land it

[terse wasp]

The thing about parry is

If you parry a projectile. You’re actually negative on your parry 😭

you can hit you for parrying their projectile. Which is unreasonable

[fallow gorge]

yeah same problem smash has

no reason to parry projectiles

since the thrower gets away Scott free since it doesn't punish then directly

[terse wasp]

Mhm. Every game would benefit from rivals parry 🙏🙏

[fallow gorge]

yeah, heck I even thought about changing clear the air if parry reflect was naturally implemented

just make it Marvin's neutral b perk that makes projectiles bigger and faster, but put that on parry

but yeah I've never seen a platform fighter or just fighting game where playing defensive and zoning is the best option

it's actually kinda incredible

[terse wasp]

The closest would be ult imo and even then it’s still nowhere near as good as it is in this game

since the game design doesn’t make sense and inherently defensive play is more rewarding in this game regardless of projectiles or not

[fallow gorge]

yeah at least ult has shield and spotdodges, and characters have numerous ways to deal with projectiles including clanking with them

[terse wasp]

So it’s a lot of mini game design elements that combined overall into this defensive archetype of a game

[fallow gorge]

yeah

and finn kinda broke that mold of defensive with his side b

[terse wasp]

Plus the balance patches don’t help. Not sure why a character like reindog is a zoner who’s better than you up close. But also a super heavy???

[fallow gorge]

fr and WW who's a tank with some of the best frame data in the game????

[terse wasp]

Regardless of personal opinions on how good these characters are. The zoners in this game will be super heavy and have good disadvantage states while also being good up close. That’s poor game design and always will be

[terse wasp]

I think WW is fine

She has to approach for the most part and even though her damage is really high her kill power isn’t very explosive

You’re not going to really get ko’d early against her and for it to really feel unfair when you do

The nerfs have really toned her down

[fallow gorge]

I guess so, I suppose I'm just sick of her being meta cuz she hasn't gone away since the relaunch

so she's always been around

[terse wasp]

Fair enough. I think after the recent jab nerfs to her and other changes like up special not being fast fallable she’s nowhere near as strong

I think there’s much better characters who are rewarded up close and farther away then her. She’s not really a problem anymore

Like agent smith. Who has a true kill confirm at 50 off the top or 100 at the latest

And that’s fine because it’s true. But if finn does it and it’s untrue then it’s a problem

[fallow gorge]

and that's what makes me so mad yeah, they keep this stuff on other characters but when Finns doing it there's a problem?

like you mean he gets nerfed but agent Smith keeps his insanely fast up attack?

[terse wasp]

because no matter what finn is actually doing. The community will lie and still complain about him

so he gets even more unnecessary changes

people genuinely still believe he can kill early or 0to death still even since the hot fix patch that completely ruined his combo game. And somehow this patch has topped in terms of gutting him

and they will STILL say he can do all these things

[fallow gorge]

fr like ever since they took out his Nair spam chain he hasn't really had a 0td

it's so annoying too cuz they complain when they clearly don't play him

[terse wasp]

The thing about this season like all other finn mains cus ik we are all big adventure time giga nerds is I was really looking forward to marceline after Almost 2 seasons of teasing her straight. Ever since beetle juice they’ve been nonstop hinting at her

So when after the hotfix patch in October I was like “at least I can just play marceline now” and suddenly after all that teasing she’s not even the first character of the season even though she’s in front on the season 4 banner. Something the first character always is

And then they gutted finn even more ⁉️⁉️⁉️

[fallow gorge]

yeah and like

raven is cool, really cool

but why was marceline teased so much more than her but she came out first????

makes no sense

[terse wasp]

They realized finn players like marceline (they can’t have anything)

[fallow gorge]

that's like if they did all that stuff for ppg and then released nubia first

[terse wasp]

At least she’s coming but like. Mannnnn she would be really great to have right now with this current finn

[fallow gorge]

fr

[terse wasp]

Yeah lol

But the difference between PPG and marceline is marceline had way more teasing lol

[fallow gorge]

yeah. which makes it more baffling actually

it's insane that the season an adventure time character is being added they proceed throw all the others under a bus

[terse wasp]

It truly is just this.

Marceline about to be the first delayed character 😭

Notice how as soon as they add marcie too they remove stored up fighter currency and they aren’t apart of the battle pass so we can’t get them with stored up gleamium and the battle pass. Just the fighter road stuff that also takes 1000 gleamium

They HATE US BRO

[fallow gorge]

yeah like I'm all for not making BP exclusive but this is a little extreme

guess we just gotta wait it out until she drops mid season

I stg if finn gets nerfed again mid season I'll lose it

[terse wasp]

Probably will lmao

they actually can’t stop

[fallow gorge]

wouldn't surprise me since the complaints never end

[terse wasp]

if they see a usable move in his kit they really don’t like that

[fallow gorge]

yeah, the zoners were crying about his side b

I like to think they forgot they could use that to trap finn and punish him for it

like bugs could do it with rocket

like if you side b vertical rocket, you would bonk the side and then get hit

everytime

it threw me off a lot having to change up my side b use because of it

but nahhhh just strip it of literally everything

it's just supermans side b if it was terrible

and his isn't even broken or anything it's just alright

[terse wasp]

I think the hitbox on his side special is unreal

It just always wins it’s so hard to actually contest

it’s so disjointed for no reason 💀

[timid linden]

This Finn patch is atrocious

I’m absolutely sure no one was complaining about special sair

Not only is he boring, they removed every interesting thing in his kit

[terse wasp]

They really like removing content from finn. And adding nothing

[timid linden]

He can’t lock onto things anymore, nair doesn’t follow, up special is one hit

Maybe if they leaned more into his backpack mechanic that’d be really cool

Give him more stuff to buy

[timid linden]

Fr

[terse wasp]

I hate their “reworking” of finn because it just results in them changing something for the worse. Keeping it. And trying to salvage garbage while moving onto the next move they want to gut

When you remove this much you’re not going to add it back. So it’s just a constant cycle of removal removal removal until he has no moves in his kit. None

[timid linden]

He can’t even wall out with his jab like he used to

This patch was just terrible for a character people thought was at most high a tier

Finn:
Backpack: it’s randomized which item he’ll get but he’ll always get an item worth 500, 600, and 1000 coins each time. (This includes the items he already has ingame)

500: HOLD STILL
Finn’s neutral special (High Five, Dude!) stuns opponents. The blast PROJECTILE around him when hitting teammates stuns opponents too. Disappears after one use
(A reference to adventure time:together again)

600: Throwin’ Stones:
Turn Finn’s down special air (Algebraic Stomp) into Throwin stones.
Finn will pay some GOLD then throw a GEM ITEM PROJECTILE forward. He will dash to the GEM by doing his Side Air Special. If he has no gold, he will throw an eaten apple ITEM PROJECTILE that does minor damage to enemies.

1000: BILLY!
Finns neutral special (High Five, Dude!) turns into a HEAVY PROJECTILE blast from Billy’s gauntlet. Has a COOLDOWN that turns the projectile into normal projectiles
(A reference to Billy’s gauntlet aswell as Lego dimensions)

500: Finn cakes:
Finn grabs a Finn cake. He can use neutral special (High Five, Dude!) to take it himself, or down special (Sweet Deals!) to throw it and be picked up later on by him or a teammate. When taken by either him or his teammate, they’re both healed 5%

600: Its sheildin’ time!:
Give Finn a shield, when he does his side special (Get Skronked!) instead of destroying opponent projectiles, he reflects them
(A reference to the many times Finn has been shown to hold a shield in promo art. He even has one on a comic cover)

1000: Enchiridion!:
Finn’s side special and side special air becomes a teleporting move aimed with a reticle, does no damage or knockback, just a positioning tool to help Finn’s recovery

[brave spade]

I hate pfg for this, litterally Ill keep playing to see marceline and then im out for good... if they dont respect their fan base they dont deserve our time.

[timid linden]

I seriously wanna know who complained about Finn last season

He was high to mid a at best

Now I gotta relearn him again

And I don’t mind relearning a character if it’s from adding something

But all they do it take stuff away from Finn

[brave spade]

finn is no longer finn, they changed him so much he lost his essence

[timid linden]

He’s always been boring, but somehow every patch they find a way to make him even more boring

[brave spade]

the only thing good about air side special was the auto route, now is a weak version of samurai jack side air special

[coral void]

"it took until they nerfed finn to Z tier for me to be able to do anything about him" doesn't reflect well on you chief

[coral void]

t&j and lebron mains. they can't stop complaining even if they want to

they think their gimmick is so honest and balanced too

[pliant cargo]

Every Nubia main could literally agree with me that Finn was a -2 match up last patch

A Finn didn’t have to try against Nubia just because of his framedata

But it’s so much better now. I feel like if I do lose to a Finn, I’m actually losing to the player and not the character.

If you know what I mean

[coral void]

you were complaining before you started playing nubia. maybe ask for top tiers to get nerfed and put up with the meh matchup against mid tiers

[pliant cargo]

I don’t think I was complaining as much about Finn before I mained Nubia midseason

I really don’t care about shaggy and Batman or agent smith because atleast it was possible

Finn was nearly impossible

[coral void]

three characters that finn already had a massive problem with before the patch. you can't just think about yourself

[pliant cargo]

Everyone has problems with those characters

Look

I don’t know how badly Finn got nerfed all I know is that punishing him is way easier than last patch that’s all I’m happy about

[coral void]

yet they feel just as frustrating to fight despite getting some nerfs because finn got nerfed harder. It's ridiculous. I have to reroute my brain every patch while some people get away with the same nonsense for months

[pliant cargo]

I don’t know why agent didn’t get good nerfs

It’s really biased

[coral void]

At least we can agree somewhere

[pliant cargo]

Nubia = framedata nerfs when it’s already bad
Agent smith: hitbox is now accurate to animation and dair has a different trajectory

Completely bad balancing

[coral void]

nubia might have insane combos and better in 2v2s than finn but i agree she didn't need framedata nerfs

her framedata is already bad enough i can't tell the difference and the only people who can tell are the 20 who still play nubia 💀

basically: you fools didn't realize finn was keeping the projectile menace at bay in 2s. Now suffer

[pliant cargo]

Thank you Finns 🫡

[fallow gorge]

yeah im just gonna drop finn dude this is not worth it

[finite sky]

UNDO THE JAB CHANGE RAAAAAHHH

[coral void]

Remember: it's always healthy to take a break and rewatch Adventure Time again

even you mrsanic11

[rocky falcon]

IAD still works smooth with Fun the human =0?

[coral void]

you can iad sair again... but at what cost?

[fallow gorge]

ur so right

[coral void]

I need Fun in battlepass as apology for all this nonsense

[rocky falcon]

If Cake can have two variants why not Fern? I would love to see Fun too 🙏

[river apex]

Wait what happened to Finn does his air neutral attack not combo anymore or im tripping

[river apex]

Why would they do this to Finn damn someone @ me when he gets better deleting this again

[bright creek]

might as well leave discord hes cooked

[idle turret]

Unfortunate not fully restored

Cant do iad sair dtilt or sair dair

[timid linden]

At low percents he can do jab, jab, up tilt, sair nair

Or

you can do jab jab, up tilt, sair backpack

Neither are completely true unless it’s a bigger character

[terse wasp]

I really enjoy the sair change to make it so we can’t combo out of it low to the ground. We can’t moves that combo sadly

[idle turret]

Not true on heavier characters until a higher %

[idle turret]

I HAVE GREAT NEWS CHAT

WE'RE ABSOLUTELY BUSTED IN 2S

IM NO LONGER A 1S PLAYER GGS

[fallow gorge]

are we?

im curious about what you found

[idle turret]

Our passive buff is broken

Like ludicrous

And also ppl suck at escaping/avoiding stuff in 2s lmao

[rain nova]

They messed up Finn really bad now huh 😭

Feels so weird to play him now

Maybe I should just be a solo Superman main

[idle turret]

Just play 2s

[rain nova]

Does he function better in 2s now

[terse wasp]

It’s still worse than before

[idle turret]

Yes

Our passive is busted

[rain nova]

Passive?

Wait the shop?

[idle turret]

If ur teammate has max coin buff stack and their combo has atleast 5 hits in it they'll do an extra 30%

So if someone has a 40% combo, slap finn passive buff on there you get 70%

[idle turret]

everytime a teammate picks up a coin they gain a stack, can stack up to 5. each stack does 2 extra dmg on ur next move max being +10, hitting this move will only make it drop 1 tier now. so tier 5 does +10, if u hit someone the next one is +8 etc etc, and tier 5 has armour breaker

[rain nova]

Well that's ridiculous

[jagged stream]

I think it is very good that the up tilt height is fixed in this update.
It is now easier to intercept enemies in the air.

[idle turret]

https://x.com/DutchDudeTWT/status/1857154930517135418?t=6AhS2AXLdtvf9mCZISs4jw&s=19

Useless finn tech enjoy

[snow schooner]

@idle turret we should run some 1v1s

[broken kindle]

I honestly quit mvs until they fix finn. Finn was the only character that was fun to me since beta and it was rewarding to me winning matches because of how bad finn was in the high ranks, it made me realize that I was actually good at a game I love and with a pretty bad character in high masters (I was 6th finn by the end of s3). But now I don't even feel like it's worth playing the game anymore if they're just gonna end up gutting my next main, and the next main, and the next main, and the next one.

This game's community will be the reason the competitive scene will die

[finite sky]

Agreed

[rocky falcon]

I'm burnout of having to work twice as hard to get a kill when other characters like Shaggy or Banana Guard can kill you so easily. I can't believe Banana Guard now has more true combos than Finn. It's disheartening and depressing. They said Finn will maintain the heavy-combo type of gameplay, but I can't see that; Finn feels faster but all of his true combos are gone.

[shrewd trout]

Boo hoo

[snow schooner]

so true tho

[idle turret]

Id be down only with shields

I think new finn works better with shields

[fallow gorge]

I think im gonna manage to stick with finn, im getting used to the jab range and the side b is just useless, focusing on trying to farm coins

sucks to play more passive but what can you do

[torpid ginkgo]

@bright creek who do you think you are lil boy? I don’t think you realize you just insulted the god of Finn. Don’t make my demons come out…… you’ll be sorry 👿

[snow schooner]

ong ive never used them

[idle turret]

They're rlly good for finn when you get it down

Was fighting lion toast with them and it was fun

Even if finn is still a little lackluster

[snow schooner]

I mean ill try it if u want use them

when r u free?

[idle turret]

I can get on in a moment but fair warning i just woke up

[snow schooner]

haha so did I so thats alr

[idle turret]

invite sent

@snow schooner

[snow schooner]

invite again my bad

holy dude

ur insae with these shields mate

[idle turret]

lmaoooo yeah

do yk how to shield break attack?

it's just shield +neutral attack

[snow schooner]

nah

shiled breaking move dont break shield????

[idle turret]

armour breakers? no

[snow schooner]

ah

alr

yo can we play one without the shields 😭😭

[idle turret]

but they have special properties i think they dont have whiff on shields but instead have endlag

[idle turret]

sure

[snow schooner]

bro you got so good dude holy

[idle turret]

i mean it's basically a completely new character so i had to adjust lol

[snow schooner]

🤕

just got whooped 5 times in a row

[idle turret]

😭

[snow schooner]

thats true???>

[idle turret]

alright well that's my last one

ggs

[snow schooner]

down tilt into dash?

oh

okay haha gg

[idle turret]

at higher %

[snow schooner]

ur insane man

[idle turret]

sometimes u can still dtilt jab aswell if they're at a certain %

thanks man u too

[bright creek]

flaccoco wannabe

[brave spade]

If you guys want to fight I invite you to do it in the off topic channel, and stop fillin the chat with things that arent relevant... nobody cares how good you think you are..

[torpid ginkgo]

the wolf might come inside of me. Just warning you

[raven mica]

😱

[rocky falcon]

Sorry, I just wanted to vent about the Finn situation. Whatever, he won't stop being my main 💚 💙

[rocky falcon]

You will became a Hug Wolf =000

[torpid ginkgo]

@bright creek you better STOP using that “🤓 “ you don’t want to see a nice guy lose it

[autumn knoll]

This character feels more skillfull tbh

[idle turret]

I just found something ludicrous oh my god

[fallow gorge]

how do we feel about the morty matchup in the current state? Honestly he feels so much worse to fight personally, the fact we cant home in on his grenades and his stuff outranging jab is really bad

[silver rivet]

ok now that finn is hella different ngl, i hav been finding so much more use for grounded side special (still miss old finn tho)

ground side special to up attack at 130 is guaranteed a kill for alotta stages

mostly consistent and relaible way to kill

[terse wasp]

unfortunately it’s not too consistent against di out

[idle turret]

^

Also good news chat u can uptilt into dair at like 20%

👍

[pliant cargo]

#clips message

Finns getting gutted

[silver rivet]

bro again??

[pliant cargo]

Hooray, thank you flacoco

[pliant cargo]

Y’all have been eating steak for s1-s3

Time to eat bread with water and struggle like the rest of us

[silver rivet]

damn bro no need for that, i for one want everyone to be busted in this game lmao

[pliant cargo]

No one liked watching s3 tournaments where there was only broken characters in top 8

So no one would like playing a game full of broken characters either

[silver rivet]

i mean melee has like fox meta memes, bet pfg can lean towards that, or- make everyone busted cuz thats a way funnie solution

[coral void]

Flacoco utterly failing to understand the concept of gatekeeping smh kids these days

[silver rivet]

i dont think ill ever be able to pull this off anyway LMAOO

[coral void]

it's a pretty simple IAD setup you'd be able to get it eventually if they weren't going to slap finn again next patch

[silver rivet]

my brain: yes

my fingers : please dont

[coral void]

i still haven't completely rewritten my s1 finn muscle memory it's alright

[silver rivet]

ooofuss ya, sometimes i do finn stuff prior to season 4 🥲

[pliant cargo]

He’s so funny, he knows it doesn’t work aswell

[idle turret]

Im so salty i told him not to post it💔

[idle turret]

I decide to share 1 thing with him

And he posts it😭

Anyway it's super easy to escape just dont di out or down as a big body, doesn't work on normal sized chars

[coral void]

I'll keep your secrets next time you can trust me 🧿u🧿

[idle turret]

Ill consider

[broken kindle]

Legit if they listen to Flacco they're just gonna remove all the fun from finn and than still noobs will complain

[fallow gorge]

noobs are gonna get side b nerfed with how much they spam it on the ground

[rough valve]

I mean Flacco is like Sonic Fox of Finn, the only one that can do crazy reads, unlike the rest of us. So of course he's going to make Finn look like a top-tier when he is playing it. If PFG keeps nerfing Finn just because of him, we are doomed. Finn now doesn't have a 0toD, no-kill confirm after respawn, and the backpack's knockback is kind of ass when compared to Jason's side special, Superman's neutral ground attack, or Garnet's ground-up special that can be combo into from jab. Or I'm just suck at this game.

tbh, I'm struggling with Garnet match-up, any help?

[broken kindle]

just turtle works for me

[rocky falcon]

Thankies 🤗 Its a very easy combo 😄

[vast moon]

what specially?

(garnet main here)

[rough valve]

how to counter neutral air

[vast moon]

besides distancing i’m not entirely sure

i guess you could side special into it

i do notice that finn’s that go against me force me off ledge to spike kill me

garnet sucks on the ground so prioritize off that

[rough valve]

Why?

I mean why she suck on ground

[vast moon]

her jab has massive whiff, garnets will try using nair or sair most of the time and they can only do that on air

the thing on ground is that you have to watch your charged moves because she can easily down tilt you

it’s a hard matchup ngl

[rough valve]

How do you usually counter Finn?

[vast moon]

with down tilt, i try to catch their charges

since their light i have to play my distance and wait til i can clap kill around 90

garnet struggles against small characters so they drop out of combos

a lil tip ||DI up against garnet||

i also don’t use as much projectiles because finn can use air side special and approach off of them

[brave spade]

Finns Nair helped me a lot in this s4, with almost no combo routes as before, for me it worked really good aproaching with nair when im in the air and then trying to add some short combo time to time got me some good wins.

but im so tired of finn changing so much between seasons that I started playing a bunch of new characters from the cast now the I unlocked the 32

ppg, raven, harley and gizmo are fun to play xd, But still waiting for Marceline ❤️

[silver rivet]

saw the latest uncle spamuel short, damn the hate for finn is hella strong (and kinda concerning)

[coral void]

notice how they stopped giving finn event skins right after they nerfed him a bunch? sounds like a nefarious plot. a scheme, if you will

finn fam needs me here to make the connections nobody else is willing to say (i do not have a schizoaffective disorder)

[idle turret]

finn garnet is difficult both ways for their own reasons

garnet can ruin finns grounded game but finn can deal with garnets armour and whatnot better than most chars

i think it's either probably winning for garnet simply because she can deal with his grounded game

[silver rivet]

still gonna play him tho

[broken kindle]

how tf can smith survive bmo at 105 bro superman and IG were the only ones I thought needed like 150 to die to bmo but I guess not #clips message

[rough valve]

I have BMO a Superman at 140 ish, he didn’t die

[dense wigeon]

I've been struggling with finn lately, I'm not sure what to do in 2s.

Just got to diamond and I feel like I'm getting slaughtered against every character, even Jason and Superman are giving me a beatdown. Is this a player skill issue or a Finn being bad issue? (probably a mixture of both, right?)

[idle turret]

U basically play as a support in 2s

Give ur teammate coins and buy boots/buns when possible

[coral void]

randoms in 2s still don't understand picking up my coins

[timid linden]

I want a new Finn perk. Give him his lock on special sair and his following nair back

That was base Finn technically keeps the nerf but they can choose between better kill power with the backpack or better mobility

And nothing else

Because no one uses the shop perk

[timid linden]

Name it “release the Finn bomb” or “I’m a cat, I’m an agile cat!”

[glad badge]

Just realized I still haven’t found another Finn teammate in random 2’s

Only in the other team

[coral void]

probably partied with someone who understands picking up my damn coins

[snow schooner]

anyone wanna do some finn vs finn fights?

im bored and just wanna practice finn

[red drum]

Add gem back

Add gem back

Pls it was what made him fun

[dense kite]

how do u tech with finn

[idle turret]

Dont think anyone wants to ditto

[idle turret]

Wdym

[dense kite]

idk character tech with finn smn told me it was possible

they told me to c ome here

[idle turret]

Oh i got a few

For starters do you know what an IAD is

[dense kite]

no

[idle turret]

It's basically dodging diagonally ↗️ upwards and inputting an attack this allows u to do an aerial attack while being on the ground

So as an example try jab1-2 iad sair side special

[dense kite]

oh so its when u dodge and then use up air or sair