Finn The Human

[torpid ginkgo]

bro why does the song go so hard

mid episode but the song itself makes the episode A tier

[pine marsh]

No, not unless if you get a true combo and get them to the top or side of the map but they should give him his knockout potential back. I find it extremely unfair that everybody else has easy ring outs except for Finn and Jake seems like the devs have pure hatred towards these two characters

[rotund wraith]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying

[torpid ginkgo]

my boy is learning

[torpid ginkgo]

they were basically the meta for all of beta

[sturdy ivy]

The bmo kill confirm is sooooo good for Finn

[simple aurora]

Got any tips for me I’m a new Finn main

[torpid ginkgo]

don’t blindly charge attacks at projectile characters. Dont buy boots of speed. Almost always a waste

[simple aurora]

Good to know

[simple aurora]

Got any videos for me or have more tips fill me up with tips

🫙

[sturdy ivy]

I love buying the armored buns against Harley Quinn so they can’t spam me with dair for a short while

[simple aurora]

Mhm mhm

[sturdy ivy]

Finn has a very good kill confirm with his grounded side jab and bmo after the 2nd hit, pretty much kills everyone, if it’s fully charged, at or above 100 damage (except prob iron giant)

[simple aurora]

What tier is Finn he seems pretty good

[sturdy ivy]

I’d say low to mid A tier

[simple aurora]

What about Steven universe

[sturdy ivy]

Low s tier

[pine marsh]

That’s 100% untrue and they were only good at the beginning of beta. They both got Nerfed right away. in the first patch in beta and when they did that it screwed up Jakes skateboard where he would faze through on the third hit 80% of the time

[sturdy ivy]

I’d say the top top top meta for most of the beta was buggs, Velma, iron giant, Harley, and Arya, and ww

[pine marsh]

Velma was a meta-for a while. I believe it was on the third patch they made it so she couldn’t apply weaken anymore and also they slowed down her attacks and made it so you couldn’t combo with her down air attack or up special .bugs, wonder woman, Harly and Arya and shaggy All stayed meta-no matter what patch never played much of iron giant, but I know he was meta-on 2v2’s

Oh, and I forgot about Batman. He was also a meta

[torn pecan]

batman not mentioned is kind of crazy

[torpid ginkgo]

dms

[torpid ginkgo]

bro jake was THE character for beta. even at the end of its lifespan he was considered the best character by tons of pros

[torpid ginkgo]

buns is actually pretty solid and agiasnt harley i buy it fairly often

[pine marsh]

Not after the patch, they completely broke him where his skateboard wouldn’t hit on the third hit, which they never fixed in beta, and then they made it so he could get hit anywhere on his body, where he stretches his hit box expanded by a crazy amount where he would get punished on every type of stretch attack

[torpid ginkgo]

live jake isnt that good

beta jake tho was consistently one of the best characters throughout all of the game

[pine marsh]

Maybe in your opinion, but I was a top 20 Jake main but then after the patch that changed , they broke his skateboard and made him get punished on every stretch attack Finn and Jake were only good characters at the beginning of the beta after they got Nerfed they could not compete with every other character that had easy ring outs

[torpid ginkgo]

I don't believe you being a top 20 Jake if you think he wasn't that great in beta. Tons of top competitive players came together to make a final tier list for beta. And Jake was put in S tier for both 1v1 and 2v2 by nearly every single player. Look at some old Jake tech and data, character was good af.

[pine marsh]

Not after patch, bro, they literally broke him. You could not get a full combo with your skateboard which completely ruined his combos And once they expanded his hit box to his stretch attacks, they made him the easiest character to be punished

[torpid ginkgo]

This was only during launch you realize? During beta he never had any hurt boxs on his limbs

[pine marsh]

Jake’s main combo starter was his skateboard after that changed and you phased through every third hit, they ruined him Main combo was three skateboard hits up special three skateboard hits up special neutral air, then neutral air special. That was his best combo after patch. He couldn’t do it anymore because his skateboard would never get the third hit in and yes, in beta he had hurt boxes on his limbs not in the beginning, but once they patched him I always remember getting punished by a shaggy kick with a stretch punch oh and I forgot his charged up attack to after they patched him they ruined the character

[wraith tundra]

does speed up stack with speed force assist?

[torpid ginkgo]

yes

[pine marsh]

Yes, I believe so but 5% extra speed doesn’t make much of a difference combined though with Finns speed buff You will see quite the difference

[torpid ginkgo]

not worth buying boots of speed tho most of the time

doesnt last for very long

[pine marsh]

Yeah, it’s pretty short. It used to last forever and only applied to a teammate temporarily now it’s temporary for both him and a teammate.

[torpid ginkgo]

ngl boots of speed and uair are the only things abt finn id buff

[pine marsh]

I would have to say backpack too, but only when he has a large amount of coins seems like the perk doesn’t make a difference with or without it. It’s like it doesn’t work.

[wraith tundra]

what perks do yall usually run on finn then?

[torpid ginkgo]

back pack strength, press the advantage, speed force if ur newer or air walker if your more experinced and pugalist

[pine marsh]

Well, rounded because backpack strength doesn’t work Press the advantage, air walker and pugilist also make up separate perk set up for a hyper armour counter too fast to block and armour crush Press the advantage and well rounded

[torpid ginkgo]

backpack strength makes a major difference for dash attack tho

at least from my experince

[pine marsh]

Agreed definitely doesn’t make a difference on up special though

[torpid ginkgo]

dash attack is your best move to KO with just a stray hit and its hitbox is massive. I personally get the debate but I think the perk having that quality is just 2 nice

it kills at like 90 with the perk sometimes

its great

[wraith tundra]

facts ive noticed that

[torpid ginkgo]

i do like you pointing at an armor set tho

so many finns just dont have one when it makes WW and superman so much easier

i think only armor crush is needed tho and id rather keep air walker personally

[torpid ginkgo]

My Finns i faced a grueling 1v1 session but came out on top by the skin of my teeth

[tardy falcon]

finn doesn’t struggle that bad, you can jab jab bmo chop at about 100 and air walker can help you earn vertical kills w up tilt

struggling at mid percents isn’t the worst thing ever when you can pretty often kill people below 50

now jake? yeah they kinda hate that guy, but finn is in a fine spot, just kind of annoying bc inconsistent

[void ice]

How do you guys deal with characters who do a lot of camping and projectile stage control aside from footsies as Finn?

[torpid ginkgo]

play for shoulder bash and wait for them to use their resources. Then once uses bash the projectiles and go in

[rotund wraith]

Save up for bmo, he’s op

[simple aurora]

Save up who

O

O

[rotund wraith]

You can purchase him with the coins you get from fighting

[tardy falcon]

use side special if they throw a projectile close enough to you, otherwise it is just a lot of footsies

[rotund wraith]

grab the shield if you have enough and charge them

[long axle]

I just saw a video that game me an idea for finn

Finn's backpack stregth reaches its maximum at 7-8 coins
This dash attack has massive kill potential

But the core of the combo is the
Jabx2 into IAD sair into jab again in the ground, because since you are so close to the ground you can get to it and throw an attack before the oponet can recover from the hit stun

If you jabx2 IAD sair Go back to the ground and do it 2 more times
You can get enough coins to do a dash attacks(if you press 2x foward and the the attacks button u perform it instantly)
You could have a possible colse to 0 to death combo

But the core of the combo is the
Jabx2 into IAD sair into jab again in the ground, because since you are so close to the ground you can get to it and throw an attack before the oponet can recover from the hit stun

[compact dagger]

Finn down tilt not connecting the second hit is so wacky

[tardy falcon]

would be immensely hard to do if not impossible because you’re more than likely just gonna get sair 2 also you wouldn’t have a way to connect dash attack since you can’t do it out of jab

also you could only iad sair twice

[void ice]

Thx for the help

[surreal thicket]

Good stuff here^^ .. Ran into a Finn tonight who was unstoppable lmaooo. Finn has crazy combo potential (without spamming too)

[opaque canyon]

what build would you recommend for 2v2s?

[torpid ginkgo]

same build for 1v1 nothing really changes

[opaque canyon]

im new to finn so im not too sure what to play on either game mode lol

[torpid ginkgo]

backpack strength, press the advantage, speed force if your newer or air walker if your experience and puglist

[tardy falcon]

i’d just pop air walker on tbh, training mode is so cheeks you kind of have to just dive in the pool and do it

air parrying is cool tho so there’s still a case for speed force

[opaque canyon]

thank you guys!

[torpid ginkgo]

you should start without it if your new to the game. Learn the base game before using game changing side grades

[tardy falcon]

I mean both are worth trying fo sho

but if you’re new losing parry isn’t really that big a deal anyways

[long axle]

U habe his name?

[surreal thicket]

"SnarksRemarks" I believe. PS user iirc

[solemn adder]

any finns want to mirror match

[long axle]

I need to get better at finn and learn to lad combos and also chase people in the air

[fleet echo]

its not really that hard to use

just use it + uptilt when doing one of his vert combos instead of backpack

[barren steppe]

Yo this game is unbelievable. Everybody that has projectiles is violating. You get hit by any projectile and you’re done. Like damn. Then you take Finn’s gem? He only had 1 projectile but other characters have like 3 and 4. Thats trash. Finn gem didn’t even do knock back damage. All these characters kits are OD compared to Finn. Finn is ass now. Yes you can get kills with him but it’s a struggle. Then you have to push these inputs so damn fast to avoid the delay. If you hesitate you get cracked. The hit box and overlapping is crazy off. The backpack even if you see the backpack go over the opponent’s face if they are slightly behind you they don’t get caught. It’s a pull you in move for gods sake. Just like Superman’s hand can vacuum me frm below and behind (no diddy) Finn backpack should be able to. They really trashed my boy.

[bronze venture]

I mean Finn has two answers to projectiles, three if you count the aerial variant of side-special.

Granted I think the aerial variant could come out a lil' quicker.

[chrome cove]

What if BMO could break Armor :3

[barren steppe]

There not enough complaints about finn that’s the issue. They aren’t hearing us. It’s really crazy. The way they fixed iron giant frm beta to now it’s ridiculous There’s no way they gave iron giant moves like this. So mid combo he can use a spark and kill me or allowing him to have advantages. I’m talking mid true combo he can stop Finn. Crazy‼️ he did get bodied a lot in beta but now he has to be almost 200 for you to get a kill. He can cancel out to move and all that. If you looking at Finn like he in a good spot I’m looking at you funny. And again for anybody that wants to jump in the lab or 1v1s im down. I don’t duck no training or smoke.

[fleet echo]

that would be crazily op for combos

[chrome cove]

Who do you guys think is the worst matchup for Finn

In 1’s

[fleet echo]

steven or t&j

anyone who can zone

[barren steppe]

I know what Finn has but I also know what’s not working. So my statement are made frm the angle that’s it’s not working in game the way it should for him.
I mentioned a few days ago about Finn’s side special in air. It’s missing the targets and it feels off. On top of that it’s definitely a punishable move. Homing in on a projectile with side special will get you killed by a good player. Also parrying a projectile and get you killed. The bubble only take 3 hit and that’s done. If you’re facing t&j or gizmo it’s over.

[torpid ginkgo]

stop coping

gem was fundamentally completely broken once you had an advantage

[barren steppe]

Idk what you’re trying to say.

[barren steppe]

So the answer is to now take finn gem away and then make everyone else better because Finn was the problem? If you’re just going to keep buffing everyone else they could have left him. Saying gem is broken don’t mean anything now. It was broken then not now. It didn’t even make it into the game this time around. So again gem right now would balance him again his opponent. There were characters with 1 button loops like this was tekken or SF and yall talking about the gem was broken.

There’s no reason this iron giant just violated. I’m about to post the video in clips. He should have been dead a few times. Then they give him the spark move. SMH 🤦🏽‍♂️

[fleet echo]

you have zero clue how to play this matchup bro

you dodged like twice

you spammed uair into backpack even though there are like a thousand true combos on ig

This ig wasnt even good, you could have easily one by spamming charged uptilts into nair dair chains then killing him with utilt nair fair side b backpack

I genuinly don't know how u have 4 star on finn wins

[rotund wraith]

hmm yeah, you were playing against IG like u would against any other character which is not it, basically what gamer was saying above... you can literally create infinite combos on IG, likr spamming a bunch of light attacks would get him stuck then u can kill w backpack as a finisher because what u were doing was not gonna work on the heavy weight of that character

[feral python]

Hey I’m thinking about picking up Finn any beginner pointers

[bronze venture]

A lot of his moves flow into one-another quite easily-- This goes for his side-special especially. As long as you hit something with his side special, whether it be a player or projectile, you can follow up with another attack almost instantly.

[feral python]

Thanks

[barren steppe]

I mean we can get in the lab lol. I been inviting the work. You can see with your own eyes respectfully.

Jokes aside I do appreciate the comment. Ima get in the lab. I know some other Finn combos that’s just my main and most naturally flowing for me.

[barren steppe]

I feel that and ima look within. Also you’re welcome to get In the lab with me. Respect

[fleet echo]

just remember finns jab has an insane hitbox and combos into his utilt

then you can go from there

[barren steppe]

Got you.

[tardy falcon]

finn despite iron giant’s size doesn’t really have the frame data to do a ton of long true combos, after you up tilt it’s all susceptible to parrying

if you try to cheese IG you will just get cheesed harder so you really just have to abuse jab and uptilt without really following up much bc getting parried is a lot deadlier for finn than whiffing a parry is for IG

just gotta play it slow until you get bmo

could maybe do some sair up air chains and stuff but i need to lab that (which will be very annoying until training mode actually works)

[tardy falcon]

up tilt into nair is a free parry btw

side b is also reactable for a parry and should only be used as a dodge read

if you’re getting hit by that you’re letting finn get away with war crimes

[dim gale]

Finn is fine imo

He's got his side specials and his armoured buns for projectiles

His combos can kill people at 45

Maybe his kill options should be a bit better since I struggle to kill at times without a combo being true.

[rotund wraith]

Superman is OP

[sweet drift]

saying finn is ass is crazy

[torpid ginkgo]

i lost a game = this character sucks

[sweet drift]

fr. Imagine saying the second best assasin in the game is bad just cuz you don't know how to use the dodge button 💀

[barren steppe]

Yall are aware that Finn buns of steel can run out and you can also get hit with 3 projectiles by t&j almost instantly.

Also side special has no real priority. You can get hit out of it even if you input first.

[barren steppe]

More than welcome to lab or 1v1 to see for yourself.

[sweet drift]

My brother in christ you're just ass

[barren steppe]

My in game name is the same

Lmao ok

Don’t hurt my feelings now lol 😂

[long axle]

How did the fight go

[dim gale]

When against a tom and jerry just keep pushing them and attacking since he's ranged and finn is close range. Use side special while doing so. I just side special through the projectiles AND jnto the enemy. Which I can then use nair to extend it bro

[chrome cove]

Lmao what

I’ve legit only ever gotten Buns on accident, or when i’m going against like Bugs to deal with Safe nonsense

Grounded side special eats up everything Tom and jerry have

If he shoots out jerry you can side special it into a jab to instantly kill Jerry

I will say that Side special is quite inconsistent with destroying the Mousetrap but that’s it

[barren steppe]

This is mostly what I do. Side special to up tilt.

The problem is more so the number of projectiles for Tom. It’s not like 2 it’s like 5 back to back.

[barren steppe]

I never buy BoS against bugs I just side special the safe as they trying to fall on it to hit it. It work for me majority of the time.

With Tom it’s the number of projectiles. Again not 2 but 5 back to back. If he shoots jerry past you and you’re in the middle of them you’re getting violated lol

[rotund wraith]

Finally back to using Finn

[solemn adder]

Finn is in a good spot, it seems like you just need to learn the character rather than Finn needing a buff

[barren steppe]

What it seems like and what it is are two different things but thanks.

[solemn adder]

Well you are wrong about Finn just get better and you will understand

[barren steppe]

Thanks for that opinion 👍🏾

[mighty rain]

Most cheese made character

Anyone who runs this character has no dad

[torpid ginkgo]

someone just lost to a finn

[mighty rain]

You’re not wrong

Bro these Finn players are so cheese

[twin owl]

just like finn

immersive

[tardy falcon]

side special in the air is so garbo tho, i need them to actually make it somewhat consistent i have that crap failing to home in on iron giant which really makes me question how it even decides that in the first place

[tardy falcon]

i really don't even need buns that bad in the matchup bc they're just gonna fling jerry at me instead anyways and that's a physical hit

[tardy falcon]

i think finn is too read reliant when other characters get way more reward out of neutral, and DI out can kill pretty much everything he's doing the top tiers make him look kind of goofy

finn is doing like 20 tops out of jabs without opponent error and other characters are getting like 40+

idk that's less finn needing buffs and more other characters being way easier and more rewarding lol

but either way feels bad

really getting good with dodge cancels might make him feel better but idk he feels too inconsistent rn compared to other chars i’ve tried out

[barren steppe]

Exactly bro. I can tell who mains Finn vs who just likes to play him frm time to time.

This basically what I’m saying. He gonna throw Jerry a physical hit then shoot 5 projectile. If you have AB then it’s only stopping 3 projectiles but you’re already getting hurt.

[tardy falcon]

I mean I think TnJ is a fine matchup for him, but it can be annoying

you kind of have to play patient

and BoS is less useful than you’d think

[tardy falcon]

to get nair after that they have to drop the controller lol

[solemn adder]

I’ve been hitting some zero to deaths with it

[tardy falcon]

i mean when it decides to work

i have no issue

but that’s a big if

that move has a very questionable definition of what it should track

when a projectile isn’t on screen

[solemn adder]

I normally start getting issues with it once there are more than one projectile

[tardy falcon]

it just never wants to track players for me

projectiles aren’t a problem

but i can stare IG in the eye and have it not do the tracking version

[chrome cove]

?

Shoulder charging Jerry negates damage when shot from the Slingshot

Again really the only inconsistent thing about Shoulder charge against T&J is that it doesn’t always destroy the Mousetrap for some reason

[tardy falcon]

i feel like it has never done that for me

[chrome cove]

Funny cause it’s always done it for me lol

Fishing pole idk

[tardy falcon]

i haven’t played a TnJ in a bit tho

[chrome cove]

Haven’t gotten to try it

[tardy falcon]

so i might be misremembering

[misty lion]

Finn is getting a nerf this upcoming hotfix or next patch. I feel it in my bones

Devs don't like combos so they're gonna get rid of his ToD

[rotund wraith]

agreed

[tardy falcon]

it’s already not true

[noble halo]

If y'all are hitting/getting hit by grounded up attack -> nair, it's genuinely just a skill issue

Finn is fine as is, when people figure out the counterplay to his combo routes then we won't see as much complaining
Btw literally just hold away from him while he's trying to combo you

Ez combo escape

[misty lion]

Just saying, you could genuinely DI out of some other combos that got nerfed from characters in the past. But PFG didn't like how often it was being used and how easy it was to pull off for most characters.

Given that they haven't touched Finn they'll probably do the same to him

I don't care if he does or doesn't but that's the pattern I'm seeing

[torpid ginkgo]

we stay untouched

[arctic inlet]

what is the ToD

and how do you get out of it

[tardy falcon]

up tilt > nair > whatever else he wants to cook usually sair then backpack

however up tilt nair isn’t true

if you di out he gets nothing

if you dodge he has to read it

if he autopilots utilt nair

it’s a free parry

[fleet echo]

you can abuse this because people who play multiversus are brain dead

just juggle them with uptilt, wait for their dodge, then uptilt again until they run out of dodges

easy 800ish coins and it works way too often

[tardy falcon]

you mentioned true combos when finn doesn't really get anything more into IG and giving advice to crap on bad players doesn't really help someone learn the mu

[torpid ginkgo]

thats called bad players who dont learn from mistakes

[tardy falcon]

well i guess he gets a bit more dodge jump instant nair probably actually gets a sair or something but like it's not much more he can do

[fleet echo]

aka the majority of the people who play multiversus

also if they decide to not dodge then you can just continue with the nair

[fleet echo]

? wdym

[tardy falcon]

despite iron giant's massive size finn's frame data doesn't give him much that's actually true

he's incredibly prone to getting parried in that mu

[fleet echo]

nair dair loops

igs frame data wont let him counter a parry if finns in the air

and his dodge wont do much cause of his size

[tardy falcon]

you can just nair him if you parry in the air

and nair if you think he's gonna bait parry

what really is winning the mu is just slow burning him with jab and up-tilt

[fleet echo]

who are you talking about rn lol

[tardy falcon]

ig

[fleet echo]

you can nair finn if you parry in the air?

[tardy falcon]

if you try any up-tilt nair stuff you are putting yourself at way more risk than the ig is at risk

[tardy falcon]

yeah

[fleet echo]

for utilt nair fair yes

not utilt nair dair

[tardy falcon]

utilt nair

is not true

[fleet echo]

I never said it was

[tardy falcon]

anything finn throws out after u-tilt if he goes for an agressive chase is just asking to be parried, and baiting one out is a nair waiting to happen

it's not an unwinnable mu, you just have to play it incredibly boring on the finn side if the IG is aware

[fleet echo]

then this could be said for any matchup

[tardy falcon]

dair also doesn't give enough advantage to combo into much

unless it's right by the floor

which nair isn't gonna make happen

[fleet echo]

which ig is at the majority of the time

[tardy falcon]

unless you like raw nair

uptilt nair dair isn't doing anything else tho

[fleet echo]

you can loop the dair

[tardy falcon]

?????

[fleet echo]

just spam dairs??

[tardy falcon]

dude

maybe if they drop the controller

dair doesn't have that much hitstun

[fleet echo]

so you are suggesting that no combos will work on the biggest character on the roster and to win you should spam low damaging moves until he gets to 250 and you can kill him?

[tardy falcon]

you can kill him earlier with bmo chop and up tilt, and yes i'm saying you barely get anything more on him if anything on most routes

go lab it lol

dair isn't looping crap

[fleet echo]

bro

[tardy falcon]

you can get like 3 hits

if nair charge is upp

[fleet echo]

if combos wont work on ig then combos wont work on any character

[tardy falcon]

and he's near 100%

other characters probably do combo him

finn doesn't abuse it that hard tho

[fleet echo]

I mean as in a finn vs __ matchup

[tardy falcon]

idk what loop you're talking about but when he's around the 100% range you can get dair nair dair then end in like sair backpack, which yeah finn doesn't get into other chars but he's not looping iron giant from 0 or anything

[tardy falcon]

yeah, anything more than like a 3 piece on finn is a dodge read lol

other characters get way more reward off of their jabs

[fleet echo]

so by that logic finn sucks

not really

[tardy falcon]

you're putting words in my mouth

i'm just saying he doesn't abuse iron giant nearly as hard as other characters might

you're not treating him like combo food

you have a great jab, an obnoxious up-tilt

[fleet echo]

are you not saying that finns combos arent true?

[tardy falcon]

that's what i am saying, but he has the tools to win neutral and bait dodges, and solid kill confirms

he just isn't comboing you to 50 or higher off one hit

without major user error from the other char

[fleet echo]

he does not have solid kill confirms bro 😭

[tardy falcon]

jab jab bmo chop

backpack

they're fine

they're not like stupid like some stuff shaggy is doing

[fleet echo]

backpack wont kill untill ~110 (from stage)

bmo yes but it requires you to have advantage

[tardy falcon]

i mean so does any kill confirm

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fleet echo]

more so as finn because you can't get 1k coins off a fresh stock

besides bmo jab 1 2 neutral is his best

[tardy falcon]

you have obnoxious neutral so you can win jab wars and make it hard for people to land, but you need to absolutely mind read people for the ladders into death

he's just like fine, not stupid broken so he looks bad in comparison to the chars running the game, but if they were healthier i think he's in a fine spot

just not like

a huge iron giant abuser lol

[fleet echo]

yeah def

[dull leaf]

Best Character in the game no diff

[tardy falcon]

tweakin

[dull leaf]

Nope

[weak temple]

He’s the best character in terms of storyline not gameplay

[bronze venture]

Man I love the first hit of Finn's grounded down neutral not leading into the second, that's so cool.

[obtuse flax]

I feel bad for this Finn main named Chance_805

I can’t tell if he’s joking when he complains or rages

There’s a buncha rage stuff on YouTube and I’ve been watching it

[solemn adder]

I just checked it out and I hope it’s a joke 😭

[obtuse flax]

I’ve seen him for like, both beta and release

And he hasn’t changed

At least I got some sense and learned how to get in my enemies head

Especially since Jake kinda fell off

I don’t see many Jake players nowadays

[solemn adder]

He actually said DI is a lie lmfao

Also yeah old Jake was a hard matchup for Finn

[obtuse flax]

Bullhonk broski! I always found Finn mains to be hard to beat

Especially with how quick the fella is

[solemn adder]

Jake’s neutral game was just really strong making it hard for Finn to approach

[wet dragon]

He went 0-30 against an Iron Giant and 1-30 against a Taz on stream recently, it was amusing. Probably does genuinely rage, but undeniably entertaining regardless. Fun streams imo.

[obtuse flax]

Finns speed is unmatched against Jake, half the time I have to catch him before he gets behind me and does his basic 123 jabs.

[brittle dune]

The IG was T1Carry which was the best IG player in the world

[torpid ginkgo]

0 - 32 against an IG

[torpid ginkgo]

WAS until he has made trash

chance is my GOAT tho

[solemn adder]

well yeah hes pretty terrible now. old jake was insane though

[torpid ginkgo]

literally the games best character back in beta

[solemn adder]

i would say either him or batman

[torpid ginkgo]

Jake was WAY better in 2v2 tho. I’d also argue Harley, Jake, Superman and Finn were better than Batman

[solemn adder]

oh i was only talking about ones. i def think saying harley and superman being better than batman is a stretch but jake being better could make sense

[torpid ginkgo]

Beta Finn tho

I miss the days of gem and having hitboxes 3 times bigger than what they look like sometimes

[solemn adder]

old down tilt on finn was nuts

i remember killing at 40 on some maps

[obtuse flax]

Well not all is lost, I have a few clips on medal with him if interested. A plus is that his manual grab is now infinite without a cooldown, so I can reversal grab someone and send them into the blast zone with as little as 0 damage.

I felt pretty terrible with Jake the first go round, but afterwards when he got his up special patched things slowly got better.

[solemn adder]

i think jake just needs a few more tweaks and he could be really good

[obtuse flax]

Jake is good, not as he once was in the Beta, but good enough to where you can adapt to his combos and discover what you can and can’t do to improve his skillset.

[obtuse flax]

The only tweak I’d like is the skateboard hit box, sometimes I catch an enemy whiffing an attack and I try to counter with the skateboard, but since the skateboard hitbox is so more shifted up in his animation, it feels like there are things that should hit but don’t.

I understand how oppressive the skateboard can be, which is why I understand why Jake can’t sit on it completely. But please make the skateboard make sense when it supposed to land imo.

[fiery pebble]

Can finn use pugilist?

[obtuse flax]

Depends, try testing it out in training.

[bitter oar]

Is it pointless to chase after utilt? Outside of whatever magic percent allows you to go utilt into nair then (insert anything), seems like on the regular I go back into neutral after utilt losing my advantage. Is it a hit delay skill issue?

[noble halo]

Yes, it is pointless, because DI gets you out of utilt and no amount of dodge canceling is going to land you the hit afterwards.

It's a great juggle tool though

[short latch]

Wait finn loses the Iron Giant MU???????????????????????

Also, when you guys are trying to line up a kill on really flighty players (permanently in the air, hard to hit/trade with) and your up attack is kinda stale, what do you usually look for to end a game?

[torpid ginkgo]

Alright well Finn server isn’t complete fully yet but its open

if any of you are interested then dm

[twin grotto]

What move should I be using in neutral with Finn? I see that up tilt isn't too good besides around a certain percent that combos into nair

[short latch]

i personally like to dance in and out of range with forward attack in mind until i can get into suitable range. most players either dodge in and start jabbing or they concede the stage, both are fine i think since you can react to them

i think up attack is still really good for denying the other player touching the ground and racking on percent, but if forward attack hits if you run forward slightly and down attack you can get like 22% or somewhere in there and that racks up super fast

side special (grounded mostly, but aerial if you know how to play around it being so finnicky) also works for me in niche situations since its less laggy, but dash attack is really good at surprising people who like to hang back due to its huge range

[tardy falcon]

if they’re permanently airborne up tilt is still kind of your best option, even staled

other than like a backpack read

[tardy falcon]

idk if it’s losing tbh, but you have to forget going for anything more than a two piece

any airborne giants you just up tilt

grounded ones you get your tiny jab combo

you have to ever so slowly fight him

bc getting parried or hit by a reversal nair mid combo

is basically instant death

you have to just reset to neutral a bunchhhh

and just win it again

or just up-tilt chase

going for ladders or anything is an immense risk to you

[short latch]

Yeah that's what Ive been kinda figuring out now. up tilt is just such a good threat along with ftilt or dash attack, especially when ftilt 2 hit into walk forward down attack does like 22%. really lets me put the pressure on and makes finn feel fun as hell to play

IMO iron giant is one of my most fun mus because its so easy to rack up stray hits on him lol, once he uses his combo breaker once hes cooked and doomed to the eternal 50/50

[torpid ginkgo]

finn server

[twin grotto]

So I did something dastardly as Finn yesterday

It was my first match up and it was against a Shaggy. I did Up tilt > fair 1 > nair > backpack (I think it was true because I was pretty air tight with it)

I then side special and it managed to kill them off the top. I wish I could have clipped but I wasn't playing on my Xbox

[tardy falcon]

fair 1 nair almost certainly had a gap, even if small, still it's fun to hit stuff like that

[twin grotto]

Really? I've hit it so many times it's felt like it's been true this entire time

[solemn adder]

It’s not true

[tardy falcon]

you can di out and it will knock you too far away to get hit by nair even at 0%, and even if you don't there's a gap big enough to dodge it

[wintry pulsar]

Can someone test if this combo is true, was doing it earlier and I'm not sure if it's exactly true. It's very tight though.

The combo is:
Jab 1 Jab 2 IAD sair jump nair uair

[tardy falcon]

gap betwen sair and nair

well actually bot isn't dodging it, need more real matches to test that theory out

normally though something like that wouldn't be true

di out also completely kills it

[mighty rain]

Dude

Finn against bugs is not fair

Broken ass character I swear

[tardy falcon]

for who?

assuming the bugs

bc finn kind of shuts down anything he tries to do

[twin grotto]

I personally don't agree with that statement because...well, it's Bugs we're talking about.

But I am open minded towards any arguments.

[maiden flare]

honestly every single bugs matchup for me is geting hit once and being forever stuck on nair dair spam untill he messes up idt that character has that many problems

[twin grotto]

Safe is also a pretty annoying move to deal with

That thing is actually really damaging for no reason

[solemn adder]

All purple moves instantly break safe

[twin grotto]

Fair

It's kinda hard to hit safe when it's coming full speed at ya

[tardy falcon]

side special and up tilt shut down any safe shenanigans, you can side special to hit him while ignoring rocket, and up-tilt in general is just insanely hard for bugs to contest imo while you also have a better ground game

[torpid ginkgo]

its just overall a -1 matchup for bugs

not impossible as finn weighs as much as piece of papper and disintegrates from bat but still hard

[prime hull]

is IAD uair better or worse than sair off of jab 2

i dont really feel much of a difference

[shadow condor]

question how do yall play against morty or batman?

i can’t play distance

if i play close that they change direction into axe

[torpid ginkgo]

id rather go for sair

[torpid ginkgo]

Play careful around batman until you catch hus batterang with a side special then go in.

morty id usually just try and rush down as hard as possible and play around platforms if you can to avoid dirt

[prime hull]

alrighty then but why?

is up air a worse option?

[torpid ginkgo]

Just from personal experience

i find with sair it flows better into combos

[drowsy onyx]

I just stared to main Finn, does anyone recommend any perks for Finn?

[barren steppe]

They Really babied IG. That spark is so annoying. He big as hell and hard to avoid. He does a move and even if you dodge you get hit because of his size.

Also Morty is fast as hell for no reason lol

I think if Finn could cancel out of charged moves he would be better. You get stuck in a changed move your opponent knows exactly what your next move has to be because you can’t cancel it. So if you change utilt they know you going to be in the air in a few by default. Change a jab and they know you’re stuck holding it.

[barren steppe]

Backpack strength
Snowball
Speed force
Pugilist

[prime hull]

what he said above, but i run last stand instead of speed force because finn CAN struggle to kill if you're low on coins or cant hit dash attack/ up b

[stuck tide]

He had the same move in beta too lmao. The character never changed

[torpid ginkgo]

Backpack Strength
Press the advantage
Speed force or air walker
Puglist

[torpid ginkgo]

press the advantage pairs better with finn

also finn server open

[drowsy onyx]

Thank you, I’ll give them a try

[barren steppe]

Nah idk about that. I don’t remember that move at all in beta. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[stuck tide]

It was the neutral special with bolts but it was more OP in beta cause the bolts gave him super armor

[barren steppe]

Idk I’m just having a hard time remembering it frm beta. I don’t remember him braking my combos or violating the way he does.

[barren steppe]

You’re most likely right tho.

[harsh bolt]

finally

[torpid ginkgo]

i got kinda lazy

[real zephyr]

finn server?

[wintry pulsar]

P sure you needed bolts before and the cooldown was longer

[stuck tide]

Yeah but it still had the combo breaking ability

[wintry pulsar]

Ik, it's kinda crazy how they buffed him like crazy

At least before you had to get bolts bedore you had burst, but now you can just do it whenever and the cooldown is nonexistent

[torpid ginkgo]

My Finns I won 2 games against gsmvoid

[noble halo]

I think I saw you
He was playing Harley, right?

[torpid ginkgo]

He was on TJ

[noble halo]

ah nvm then

[short latch]

Ayyy nice!

[barren steppe]

🔥🔥🔥

[untold tundra]

I won 33 games

[twin grotto]

Is air down special useful for anything? Or at least has a niche use?

[tardy falcon]

edgeguarding

hitbox kinda lingers and it will connect a dair

mostly useless tho

[torpid ginkgo]

sometimes spike mix up, otherwise just a giant waste of coins tho

[tardy falcon]

yeah that's the downside, you're scattering your coins everywhere and not really getting much reward unless they're off stage and you spike

[torpid ginkgo]

and the move is beyond slow

best part about it is it’s deceptively large hit box

[twin grotto]

Sooo

If I feel like being a little silly, I can just air down special into down air?

[torpid ginkgo]

if you think you can read them dodging early expecting a down air

[twin grotto]

Ah, now I understand

[bronze venture]

I swear the projectiles in this game need to be like, reworked or something. Half the time if your down-special is a projectile, they won't count towards any "Hit down special" quests, and the reason I'm posting here: Armored Buns didn't protect me from Stripe's buzzsaw, but still counted down when I was hit by it, that blows. :(

[torpid ginkgo]

I got shark Finn

[somber token]

i jus got hit with jab12 iad sair into nair upspecial and died at 0 off the side???

[tardy falcon]

letting nair connect after was your mistake

[somber token]

Um it was true gng it was an edge combo

[tardy falcon]

iad sair into nair ain't true even at the edge

wait i see what you mean now

but you can di to avoid backpack

being true

[somber token]

this character has so much stuff thats uncovered and every time i play a finn theres a new route they doing lol

[twin grotto]

Indeed

Today was the day I learned that sair 1 > nair (on cooldown) > land on platform > up tilt was a true combo

[tardy falcon]

yeah a lot of it is reliant on dodge/DI reads but you can get silly with it

[torpid ginkgo]

Why we love finn

character has infinite creativity with combos

[twin grotto]

Finn, my boi

Has the ability to make limitless combos but most of the people I come across just like doing side dodge in side attack 1, 2, and 3

And if they're feeling spicy, they'll do up attack or down attack

[torpid ginkgo]

Today may be our last day

the purge is today my Finns

lets see if were touched

[wintry pulsar]

Finn is one of the least problematic characters

we're fine lol

Maybe they'll give us gem back 😃

[south karma]

Id be totally fine with the zero to death being taken away if they buff his kit, he absolutely needs it. But one cant be done without the other

Has anyone put together a great video for him? Ive been jumping between too many characters then i come back to finn (main) and feel brain dead lol

[finite sky]

Don’t bring back gem

I feel like it’ll ruin the gameplay pace

[tardy falcon]

nair not being parry food is gonna be nice nice

[empty steppe]

bro where on earth are the finn nerfs

[empty steppe]

incorrect

[finite sky]

What do we need nerfs for

He’s not that bad

[empty steppe]

nah he really is

[finite sky]

His “ztd” isn’t even true when you can dodge out of side special if timed right

[finite sky]

What part of him?

[south karma]

Imagine coming in the finn chat just to bad mouth him and not even know his character

[finite sky]

I’ve been with him since beta, he’s pretty fine where he is now

[empty steppe]

know the character well cus hes easy to pick up and abuse

[south karma]

Ive also been with him since then and he has a lot of downfalls to me especially against idk a joker main 👀

[finite sky]

WW, Shaggy, Bugs:

[south karma]

So is half the cast dude

[finite sky]

That’s like half the characters

Even Taz can be “abused”

[empty steppe]

yes glad they all got nerfed

shaggy needed a nerf badly

no one can argue that

[finite sky]

Even Jake could be “abused” with bite

[finite sky]

His damage and knockback mostly

[south karma]

I wouldnt disagree that finn is above a lot but they just needed to brought up, hes in a healthy spot

[finite sky]

And maybe the speed of his up special

But I feel like Shaggy isn’t hard to fight anymore

Unless you’re fighting a sweat

But that goes for most characters

Only Finn nerf I can think of is maybe his backpack perk

But he needs it at this point

[south karma]

From what i heard i think im pretty happy with the changes. Ill have to see the notes though

[south karma]

Agreed

[finite sky]

Since his only other kill option is high five or BMO

[quick gazelle]

Ive never landed a high five

Ass ability

[finite sky]

It’s super hard now

But it’s not trash

It’s basically only good for dodge reads

[quick gazelle]

I never use it unless i have bmo

[finite sky]

At the end of a combo

I’d share a clip here but I can’t

[south karma]

Pm it to me?

[finite sky]

Alr

But I feel like it’s supposed to be a crappy move until you buy BMO

It gives the shop more reason to use

[wintry pulsar]

mfs be like incorrect and don't provide any arguments

[south karma]

I feel like in general hes just not supposed to “turn on” until he buys boots

[wintry pulsar]

no point in saying this if you're not providing points

[south karma]

Hes gone now, went back to his joker chat

[wintry pulsar]

lmao

MVS players are so funny

[finite sky]

Boots of speed are useless now

They last for like 10 seconds or something

[south karma]

This is how you know im not hardcore because i didnt even notice 😭

So gameplan is to rush bmo then?

[finite sky]

Yup

[south karma]

Gotcha, im super down to get better with him if you guys have any gameplay videos or tips

[torpid ginkgo]

says the joker main

[torpid ginkgo]

confirmed changes?

[tardy falcon]

not a specific finn change

but there’s a 6f parry lockout after hitstun now

so now people are gonna have to learn to di uptilt or die lol

at least I assume since you could kind of just mash neutral dodge and parry that string even if you didn’t di

depends on what the parry window is

well not that

but like the exact frame up tilt connects after nair

nair connects after up tilt*

[quick gazelle]

I lov fen

[prime hull]

So uh

Idk if the utilt nerf is gonna kill utilt Nair

[torpid ginkgo]

its actually a buff

[prime hull]

Increased damage scaling means it'll send higher at higher percents

[torpid ginkgo]

will make U tilt into nair better at low %s now which is when finn is best at combos

[torpid ginkgo]

will make stringing it better at low %s bc they often wouldnt be sent high enough

I see this as only positive as killing at 10ish% with U tilt should be even better now

[torpid ginkgo]

thinking abt opening a bracket style tournament with mostly Finn mains in my server. DM if interested. All characters are welcome tho

[wild zephyr]

Finn changes

Finally

[weak temple]

Finn

[twin owl]

he has a 0 to death now

[tardy falcon]

which is?

[agile isle]

He always had a 0 to death

💀

[chrome cove]

Like every character has at least 1

[wild zephyr]

Let's not act like everyone does if you know how to play them right

His recovery and his down charge attack got buffed, it didn't make him unstoppable

I can finally break armor efficently again

which is a godsend

[tardy falcon]

every character has a ToD if you don't know how to dodge or DI

🙏

did his recovery get shadow buffed?

all i see is down tilt fix and slight nerfs to up tilt and neutral attack

[wild zephyr]

I can't send the photo

but he feels a lot better to play

[tardy falcon]

what moves got a recovery buff?

[twin owl]

you cant dodge out of it

specially if you are bigger than him

[tardy falcon]

you literally can

there are gaps regardless of character

and heavier characters take slightly less hitstun

you can just DI it also

[wild zephyr]

It's almost like Tank characters get bullied by almost everyone, but okay

Blame Finn for that I guess

[tardy falcon]

what he's describing is also just not true

[wild zephyr]

People like to blame Finn everytime they lose it's funny

Like go against Beta finn and tell me Current Finn is still "broken"

[twin owl]

Been there since the alpha, feels the exact same

[wild zephyr]

LOL

He does not

Source: I actually play as him

[finite sky]

I’ve played him since Beta, he absolutely isn’t

[south karma]

Whats up with all these finn haters? Hes a totally different character from beta

May i be so bold as to say its a totally different game from beta

[wild zephyr]

You can tell who

who has played and lost against him

and who actually has hours put into him

Because all the complainers seem to have in common is they lost to a good finn and now the entire character is some broken god or something

[long axle]

hey my boys

i need some help with finn

there are some bad matchups that hurt me

batman with his slide and up moves

[long axle]

finn before the 1st nerfs, was bad not going to lie
but after the nerfs, there is nothin to complain

[wild zephyr]

He was insane in beta

If we had access to everything we had before he would be a menace

[south karma]

Still working on the Batman matchup myself

[rough valve]

what can I do to against ig?

[south karma]

Anything, he can be juggled easily you just need to carry him up for kill or get him to insane damage

[tardy falcon]

yeah with the parry change the matchup got a LOT easier

now you can abuse him crazy without worrying about random parry mashing resulting in instant death

[long axle]

Any help in the batman mu

I play finn
Need help for batman mu
PLEASE

[twin grotto]

There is no help

Just suffering

[bronze venture]

Side-B deletes his grappling hook if that helps. :V

But only when it's going forward, once it's latched onto you all you can do it try to hit him or dodge his blow.

Other than that uhhh, idk any more tips against him other than what's obvious.

[torpid ginkgo]

i like to start passive and play for control of the center stage and wait until he usses batterang

once he does i bash it and then go in

dont give up center as your asking to be dash attacked then

[south karma]

The batman matchup feels stupid bad

I mean like wtf bad

[torpid ginkgo]

pretty even

[misty lion]

Is Finn's gameplan just neutral and use his disjointed hitbox?

I find most games I win with him easier that way

Just don't give up control of the middle of the stage pretty much , don't let them breathe lol

[torpid ginkgo]

I personally like to go in

you definitely should press the aggression when they are burnt tho

air side special is disgusting when their burnt

[misty lion]

I didn't play him before this patch and I'm still learning his combo that brings them up to the ceiling. Is it easier or harder to pull off now?

I'm unsure if the KB increases helped

[torpid ginkgo]

I honestly prefer it now bc the extra knock back on U tilt makes it work at lower %s now

[misty lion]

I feel like that's where his combo game is best at low percentage

[torpid ginkgo]

for sure

finns main thing is that if he catches yoy lacking at low %s you just disintegrate

[misty lion]

[prime hull]

inputting the combo at first might feel a bit weird cuz of timing but you'll definitely get used to it

just requires a bit of practice

[torpid ginkgo]

Hot take: Finn vs Finn is the most boring Finn MU

[solemn adder]

nah i think its valid

alot of what makes finn fun is not doable in the mirror

[torpid ginkgo]

its just who gets impatient first

[solemn adder]

so real. its literally just bait out their jab first so you can land your jab

[prime hull]

Both Finns charge jab at both ends of the stage waiting for someone to whiff.

[shadow condor]

what is yall input setting?

i have mine at 20

[tardy falcon]

i do 15

you can just find what’s comfortable and roll with that

[torpid ginkgo]

heres my idea

bring back gem but only for 1v1 mirror finn match ups

mirror is so miserable

[native sluice]

i play batman and i feel like Finn wins the matchup. the disjoints are brutal against him

[south karma]

It could just be me but i feel the opposite, batman has more engagement options and has the same speed as Finn with more power

[somber token]

Hot take every mirror match is the most boring matchup

[somber token]

Finn swords is impossible to contest compared to Batman jab. Batman slide was already punishable and now even more punishable. I could try to divekick but the increased hurtbox and ur uptilt is really good. Ground side special and air side special both delete baterang and grapple. Armored buns allows u to win neutral

[misty lion]

I feel like current Finn has the best tools to win in the state the game is now. Fast, disjointed hitbox, easy combos, low whiff punishment, even has an anti-projectile.

Not complaining, trying to be a less salty person overall and understand the MU and play him a few times to understand the character himself. It's just in a sea of nerfs Finn has had some really good buffs

[somber token]

I realized I lose cause of my panic di

I feel like di in lets me escape most 0 to death

And then also if u don’t dodge they whiff air side special

It’s a read thing

So most times I just jump

[thorny gazelle]

Any tips on beating finn? I can't seem to 1v1 him horizontally on the ground cuz that sword reach

[warm jetty]

Yo wsp

So i just bought finn

Theres any expert at thid character that could teach me smth new

?

[karmic bane]

Did you all knew that finn's nair got shadow buffed?

[glad badge]

did the buff to Finn’s up ground attack make it harder to follow up with another attack?

[quick gazelle]

That is his biggest strength. Finn has terrible air game but a great ground game. Finns aerials suck and can only really be used to carry the opponent off stage into the void. Finn can't really contest anyone in the air. On the ground finn is one of the best characters, in the air he is one of the worst.

[south karma]

Yeah im trying to be more open minded too so im realizing my stance on batman was probably just a me problem but i still think finns 0 to death needs to be addressed, i realize it isnt true but i think leaving one option is a little bad.

[south karma]

When i face the mirror or face a finn with someone else I try to bait out the ground attacks. Learning your opponent and what they go for is important because theres a ton of finns that go for the 0 to death exclusively and most of the time you just dodge the uptilt then punish and rinse repeat. Others will go for jab all the time. The good ones will think on the fly and theyll be harder to read

Mainly just bait and analyze your opponent, get familiar with the moves of your main that can punish and dodge the ground attacks or keep at a safe range.

[dim gale]

Istg finn is op now

[karmic bane]

For me he is close to enter to the top 6, also morty

But they really need to nerf the top characters

[dim gale]

What are the top characters ?

[rose jay]

Buffs?

[dim gale]

wdyum

[rose jay]

Like what makes him op

[dim gale]

his up special finally kills consistently cus all his specials got more knockback now besides his side

and all the top tiers got nerfed/ balanced so finn has a better standing point

[rose jay]

So what you’re saying is Finn is one step closer to being even more goated

[dim gale]

yup

my boy finn

[barren steppe]

Finn is too slow and these input delays are trash.

[steel steeple]

My main problem with finn is his uair, Its just so bad for kills, I mainly use Nair but Uair needs a rework imo

[quick gazelle]

His aerials has been his problem from the start

[warm jetty]

Guys

Theres someone that could teach me how to play finn?

How to do better confirms for an zero 0 death

Bc they di my up tilt

And then dodge away

Whats an good follow up?

[fiery pebble]

0-death

That’s all that character is

Thank you

[warm jetty]

Ik, i alr did some zero 0 death

But you got to read like 3 times

Or 2

Then its an zero 0 death

[karmic bane]

Finn is THIS 🤏 close on being top 6, surprising

[wintry pulsar]

One of the worst characters is insane dawg

Sorry one of the worst air games

Sair is good for edgeguarding, nair has good range and with no cooldown leads to easy kill confirms when edgeguarding

Side special allows for good chase scenarios

[wintry pulsar]

Confirms after utilt are almost never true

Usually after the first time you do it, take note of how your opponent DIs or dodges

[warm jetty]

Ik

[wintry pulsar]

If they dodge in after utilt, wait and then go into a combo

[warm jetty]

But i want an consistent one

For dodge away and di out

[wintry pulsar]

Dodge out, side B as a read for a free combo

[warm jetty]

Ik i alr land some insane zero 0 deaths

But idk what to do if they di out

[wintry pulsar]

Well it depends on reads but, if you read DI out do side B as it leads to nair

[warm jetty]

Oh ok

Then sfter the nair

I prove thst you could cancel into another nair

Doing dash cancel

[wintry pulsar]

After the nair depends on percent and weight etc

[warm jetty]

Ye

Thx

[wintry pulsar]

You just gotta be creative and know options after dodging or DI'ing

No

*np

[warm jetty]

Ye

Finn its like

Reading di then dodge like 2 times

Then you get rewarded with an stock

[wintry pulsar]

Also your main bnb should be jab 1 2 IAD sair utilt. Its a true combo and leads to reads after utilt and potential TODS

[warm jetty]

But tbh its pretty hard sometimes

[wintry pulsar]

Just gotta practice

[warm jetty]

Ye i alr khow that

[wintry pulsar]

If you dont have tap jump on it should be fairly easy

Gotcha

[warm jetty]

You can do 2 jabs iad into nair

[warm jetty]

After doing that you can still di out of the up tilt and you got to read anyway

[wintry pulsar]

Lowkey dont like this combo cuz it uses nair cooldown early

[warm jetty]

There is an cooldown for nair?

[wintry pulsar]

https://youtu.be/Qh9RADdORBI?si=tFyQa5YXsVWUHRxi
This sequence here after the first combo I was able to connect nair because he DI'd out instead of dodging

[wintry pulsar]

Yes

[warm jetty]

Oh wow

Didnt khow

[wintry pulsar]

When cooldown is down, nair breaks armor and pushes Finn up so he can continue combos

[warm jetty]

I only have 42 wins with finn its recent

Oh

So if not break armoe

Armor

It follows up to an combo

Well gtg

Cya

[wintry pulsar]

Peace

[steel steeple]

Nah uground is good

[quick gazelle]

Thats not an aerial?

[south karma]

If youre just wanting finn for easy combos i would drop him, any combo that is a consistent 0-death doesnt exist and if it does it will be removed leaving you in shambles for relying on it

[warm jetty]

Ik, i use that type of characters in platform fighters, the one with mix ups and reads

I just want it bc you just need to read to get an stock

[south karma]

I gotcha it seemed like you really wanted a guaranteed 0-death was the only reason i said that but finn is a fun character with lots of options so im sure youll enjoy him

[steel steeple]

BA is so stupidly strong

[south karma]

Yeah its got a really good hitbox, its def still punishable though. Ive had mirror matches where they rely too heavily on it and you just dodge then punish

[warm jetty]

Yea

Im just looking for options for different reads and di

For finn

And i need your help

[south karma]

Tbh I dont really commit stuff to memory enough to type it out but yeah its more of a hit the lab and see what works and lots of times the stuff that isnt true you can delay when you throw it out to make it hit

[steel steeple]

what what are u on about? I meant black adam

[karmic bane]

Nah, nvm, I was thinking that maybe finn wasn't S tier

He is, he really is

I don't think he has any weak rn

[wintry pulsar]

What's BA

Oh nvm

[steel steeple]

Id say hes on same lvl as Arya, High A tier, not meta but insanely good,His uair ruins him for most people because its pathetic

[misty lion]

Big Ass

[south karma]

Must not have seen that, just assumed finn chat was talking about finn

[steel steeple]

Oh nah, Its just BA normally means black adam, What did u think BA was?

[south karma]

Thought you were a sheep speaking in native tongue i guess

[glad badge]

did the buff to Finn’s up ground attack make it so it kills earlier but harder to combo with on lower damage?

[tardy falcon]

i thought it did the opposite and nerfed launch distance but i might have misinterpreted the notes

[swift idol]

SNOW SUIT FINN IS AVAILABLE

WOOOOOO

[steel steeple]

Nuh Uh

[tender stirrup]

Finn cost glemium?

[warm jetty]

1k

[tender stirrup]

But only glemium?

[glad badge]

all characters should be 1k glemium or 3k character credits

Expect joker

[radiant fractal]

Is there an active Finn server ?

[distant ibex]

Hi please make this character fun instead of a gimmick "fish for the backpack combo" game

[fiery pebble]

Finn is so easy to use it’s not even funny

Just bought him today

Mastered his zero to death in an hour

[solemn adder]

Finn is fun

[dire pawn]

finn is fun i get to meme on people with the high five

[steel steeple]

Every hero is imo, I mastered T&J within a day

and hes regarded as hard

[torpid ginkgo]

why

like i get wanting to make stuff accessible but like they took away all the exclusive beta items and rereleased them then they gave us this as our new thing only to make rerelease it again

[torpid ginkgo]

I mean he is a combo based character, backpack just tends to be his only good finisher unless you want to go for a BMO read

[torpid ginkgo]

I own a fiairly active one

[swift idol]

i like finn sword

[torpid ginkgo]

just wish beta players got one cool thing. Doesnt even need to be a skin

[distant ibex]

I'm fine with his combo game, just not fishing for the one combo that kills at nothing percent

[distant ibex]

You mean like the hyper-animated exclusive banner?

[torpid ginkgo]

most of the time the up tilt into nair isnt true. Most of the times its true is when the finn basically jabs you at the guard of his sword which is preventable. You can also DI downwards and away from it 90% of the time

if you get jabbed at the guard it’s likely joever however

[torpid ginkgo]

which came with snow suit finn. Probably getting put up for sale soon

[distant ibex]

The banner? They already said it was beta exclusive only

[warm jetty]

Finn has the easiest zero 0 death but if you master it and use it like an pro

Not spamming

Then its more complex

Its like batman

It seems to be very easy and spammy

But in reality his very complex

[lavish stone]

e

[rotund wraith]

I hard disagree. Backpack right now is probably one of the best aerials in the game. Hard to dodge, hard to di from, probably has the best hitstun in the game, good hit box, vaccums, a ladder combo that leads into back pack that kills at 30.

Since they took away his jewel move he just does like a should bump/charge in the air that, you can aim, can combo off of, can destroy projectiles, has a good hit box

[solemn adder]

Backpack is one of the easiest moves to dodge and punish Finn off of. It’s his other moves that make backpack work

[rotund wraith]

From my experience this hasn’t happened

[solemn adder]

Well you just gotta learn how to punish it

[rotund wraith]

I die at 30 upper blast zone

[solemn adder]

Learn to di out of the touch of death combo

Again that doesn’t exist because backpack is overpowered his other moves are why he can do that

[long axle]

does anybody have good combos

[solemn adder]

Jab jab uptilt into basically anything in the air off of a read works

[long axle]

how can i read my oponent better?

[solemn adder]

Bait them into dodging to a certain direction then you can punish them off a read

[long axle]

how do i bait

sorry for making you answer so many questions

do you have footage of good bait and reads?

[solemn adder]

basically condition your opponent by doing the same move on purpose multiple times and then once they react to it you do something different that punishes their reaction

its kinda something you just have to get a feel for by playing

[solemn adder]

let me see if i have any clips

i dont have any good examples of it unfortunately

[long axle]

no issue
thank you

[solemn adder]

if you want i can play some games with you

but it would have to be later

[warm jetty]

Bro its the finn

Guys do you have an route

For 2 jabs iad into neutral aif

Neutral air

[south karma]

Just low level finn is simple like that

Higher levels require some more nuance

[wheat wren]

Such a stupid character

[south karma]

😂😂

Who’s your main there guy?

[short latch]

💀

[wheat wren]

Reindog

[torpid ginkgo]

MU does kinda suck for reindog but I wouldn’t say Finn is stupid

Just counters reindog very well

[coral fog]

finn is more respectable now more than ever

even tho his 0 to death is really cheap

[wheat wren]

those 2 sentences back to back is just weird

[south karma]

It’s escapable but also should be changed

[south karma]

Just thought it was funny i saw you channel hopping spreading hate 😂

[barren steppe]

Finn still needs a buff and he needs a projectile. Even if he can’t teleport to the projectile. I don’t get why break they broke him down so much. Everyone saying “he’s in a good spot”. I beg to differ. You get cheesed so easily by most it’s not even funny.

[warm jetty]

Hes ok tbh

[coral fog]

side B and armoured buns

its not like finn needs a buff hes decent

[barren steppe]

That’s my point. Just ok when everyone else are powerhouses.

[barren steppe]

Hit box is off for side special and armored buns has a time limit idky and only block 3 projectiles. So t&j your cooked, Superman cooked, Smith cooked, Adam cooked, Rick cooked, Morty cooked, gizmo cooked & etc. they can shoot 3 projectile very quick and armored buns hitbox is off so it works less than half.

[barren steppe]

Now I’m not saying that can’t be beat but if you face some that spams you like crazy good luck 🍀.

Especially with everyone thinking they are movement gods jumping up and down all game. Finn sair doesn’t connect most of the time and we all know this.

[warm jetty]

Tbh i dont have that much issues with that type of characters

We got side specials

It should be easy if its an small stage or medium stage

[solemn adder]

Finn does not need a buff. Giving Finn any significant buffs would be extremely bad for the game

[real zephyr]

true

[barren steppe]

Explain, I’d like to hear how 1 player getting a slight buff is bad for the whole game? He weak and his abilities only allow him to go but so far in the game as a whole. You have to have skill to really play Finn. He don’t have one move you can spam and kill. You have to combo and they nerfed that so you can easily carry people anymore. You have to wait till they are in fatigue for the combos to connect. Meanwhile others can spam and kill you with low damage. Please I’d like to hear your thoughts.

[barren steppe]

Same I’m interested in hearing your view. Maybe I’m missing something because I don’t really play others too often.

[solemn adder]

finn has some of the best neutral in the game. you dont even have to wait for them to be fatigued to combo off stage you just need to hit dodge reads. buffing finn would just make him too opressive and this is coming from a finn main. finn doesnt need to be a character thats spammy, he is a character that is rewarded for good use of his approach options in neutral and reading your opponents behaviors

[south karma]

Finn is def in a good spot, is he perfect? No. Is he the exact character it seems you want to play? Seems like no.

Im a finn main with about 550 wins with him so not the most but enough to know my matchups. He is very well rounded with some of the most oppressive neutrals in the game. He has good combo game, projectile shields, a long dash attack, and huge hitboxes.
These characters can be tough to overcome if you lack experience but they have their own weaknesses to round out the matchup. If he had any other advantage over them then there would be no point in playing a mage.

Not to mention there are plenty of other characters that struggle against mages as well and some have even less options than finn (ex. Harley)

Id be interested in hearing the buff that you want to introduce though i think i saw a projectile but finn was op during beta when he had one so while it hurt to see it go i do totally understand.

[whole sand]

What does each of Finns purchasables do?

[steel steeple]

Holy yap fest

[south karma]

He asked

[barren steppe]

So I’m a Finn main as well. I have over 1500 wins with Finn and 500hrs played with just him alone. I’m pretty well versed with Finn. My complaints aren’t just me losing and ranting. I have clips to usually back up my complaints as well.

I mentioned that a projectile that Finn is not able to teleport towards would be good. Just something to throw. Is it not OP that in gizmo can shoot arrows across the stage and hit you back to back? How about Morty ground special that comes all the way across stage and knows you towards him? Let’s not talk about t&j.

If not a projectile at the very least I would like to be able to dodge cancel out of my charge moves. I think this would be the best buff and most fair as it doesn’t give him more power.

Ground side special only blocks but so much and it doesn’t take priority. You will get hit out of it by most people even if you start your input first. Well at least in my experience.

[south karma]

I could possibly see a projectile he can’t teleport with but i don’t think they’ll ever do it.

The dodge canceling would arguably make it better than just give him more power because it increases your mix up potential which is huge. I personally use down special to throw people off and that move isn’t very good.

I see what you’re saying for sure, i think the real solution is more cooldowns for the projectile characters or adding more attack decay just to ruin spam play styles in general.

To me finn is in a good spot and if anything its other characters that need to change

Also not trying to talk 💩 hope i didn’t come across that way

[barren steppe]

Yeah I feel you about the dodge cancel but it would be so great lol 😂

I agree tho more cooldowns on projectiles would be great as well.

We can all tell when someone is better than us, equal or less skilled than us. I mainly complain about spam play style. I hate spam play style. I personally cant play like that. Id rather struggle with a skill character before I just mash 1 button inputs. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[barren steppe]

Nah you’re good this is healthy talk. I’m around for that. Maybe one of yall might have a view that I don’t.

Someone seen my game play and told me I needed to get better and I felt no way. I took that and adjusted my game now better than I was before. I was missing key factors of the game. So I welcome the conversation and even challenges if any because I’m always trying to get better.

[south karma]

Yeah ive had people tell me my problems with batman is skill based and you gotta take it for what it is. Some people forget this is a helpful chat though and immediately just start talking trash all the time

[south karma]

I do genuinely think they need to look at the spammy and hit and run playstyles. The hit and run will probably always be a thing, just called “safe” gameplay but the spamming shouldnt be a thing that’s incentivized

[solemn adder]

Idk I feel on most characters the “spamming” playstyle is easily punished. There are a few problematic ones though

[wraith canopy]

Any starting combos I should learn for finn

[coral fog]

up tilt kick backpack

its all you need🙏

[warm jetty]

Yea but can be di😕

[warm jetty]

Start with this combo then you can read di and dodges

[viral siren]

Shoutouts to Finn for making me unknowingly do a string of combos

I was on an edible at the time I think

I forget sometimes that Finn has to move around to charge his "smash" attacks

[misty lion]

ngl this is also how I end up finding combo routes lmao

[rare ferry]

I’ve noticed one glaring flaw with this character:

BMO should do a taunt if you taunt with him out

Like a lil dance or something

[mild wigeon]

hey, fin can jab twice and dodge downair, but he does it really close to the ground and im unaware of how its preformed. thoughts?

[tranquil cove]

Instant air dodge. After doing your jabs, point your stick up diagonally towards opponent and dodge. Right after that you will do whichever air attack you wish

[mild wigeon]

thanks

[bold lintel]

will finn get nerfed?

[warm jetty]

No

Hes not nearly op

His balanced

The people who are complaining about finn are the ones who dont khow how to di

[bold lintel]

ohh ok, i wanna pick him up but i was nervous he was gonna get gutted lmao

[warm jetty]

But well

Just wait if you wamt

Want

[bold lintel]

What are finn worst matchups?

[finite sky]

Probably Black Adam

But Black Adam has an answer for literally every character

So meh

[bold lintel]

Anybody who completely jus shuts me down?

I've struggled against a few bats, im not sure if that's common

[finite sky]

Meh

[bold lintel]

ohh ok

[finite sky]

If you’re using Finn use side special

It gets rid of baterang and anything they put on it like bat bomb

If you time it use high five

It’ll reflect it lol

[tawny spire]

can anyone tell me why when i use IAD finn fair they sometimes bounce on the ground so i can't hit them

[bold lintel]

how do you play against banana guard spear charge?

[finite sky]

Dodge in past them and jab

They have so much end lag you can basically always punish it

[bold lintel]

appreciate it

[finite sky]

No problemo

[torpid ginkgo]

nair is love

nair is life

[candid rain]

Is there any counterplay to Finns spamming a 0td other than "don't get hit"

Actually one of the only characters I will never rematch because even if I win it doesn't feel rewarding, just stressful

[olive geyser]

Yeh Finns are not rematchable until they get nerfed, that 0td needs to go

[solemn adder]

All his zero to deaths have gaps. Usually right before the nair attempt and the hit right after

You can dodge them consistently if a Finn is spamming them all game and go for a reversal

[tawny spire]

Also a lot of their combos are DIable, a lot of Finns gameplay is stray hits hoping the opponent messes up their DI, it’s a matchup check at its finest

[wheat wren]

Ya get out of here with the bs. The 0td needs to go. Unfun to play against I agree with not rematching Finns

[viral siren]

Backpack go spinny

[tawny spire]

Which one there are a million

[wheat wren]

Exactly

[tawny spire]

Backpack go spinny

[solemn adder]

I’m fine with that if every other character loses theirs as well

Not that 0td should be removed

[candid rain]

It feels like a nearly unwinnable MU because even if I survive the 0td, Finn has abysmal whiff frames on anything but his up b and dtilt and will just continue to attack me
Him having some of the biggest hitboxes and disjoints in the game does not help

His up b is also just busted in general honestly that thing pulls you in from 50 feet away it's ridiculous

[tawny spire]

chat we just beat lostgriff in the ditto 2-1

[finite sky]

Dodge up instead of dodging past him

Finn mains want you to try and dodge past because that way you still get sucked into the backpack

Also Finn works like a hype train, you basically just can’t let him get the edge on you

Because his disadvantage state is miserable, any of his alleged “0td” can be reversed easily, which is an insane risk during disadvantage

But mostly just what the other people say, most his combos rely on bad DI or dodge spam to one direction constantly

Basically stop just dodging away or in, dodge up for once and switch it up

[finite sky]

This is advice in general not just for Finn:Stop trying to hit people during their whiff frames unless it’s an incredibly long whiff. Start paying attention to how often they dodge a certain direction and time your attacks so they land right after they dodge but before they can attack (unless you’re fighting like Harley or something idk then)

Works like a charm for me

Hell, you can literally extend Finn combos that otherwise shouldn’t continue just by predicting their dodge

[torpid ginkgo]

THEY CAN TAKE MY MONEY

FIRE FINN SKINS

[tawny spire]

FINN SKINS RAHHH

[finite sky]

FR

PRINCE HOTBOD AND BASEBALL GOES HARD

[candid rain]

I wish I could do that honestly but no dodge has to be insanely inconsistent
Sometimes it gives no i-frames, sometimes it gives just enough to avoid an attack and then get hit by the lingering hitbox, and sometimes it gives 3 years worth of i-frames

[candid rain]

Sometimes dodging just doesn't save me
The backpack has such a big vacuum hitbox that it drags me from across the map it's disgusting

[finite sky]

I’ve found backpack tends to not suck in opponent a lot of the time but I think it depends on where you are

[candid rain]

It does it all the time idk what you mean

I get hit by it 90% of the time because of how much it just absorbs me

It's like a blackhole

[dim gale]

Yo what finn skins?SOMEONE SHOT ME

SHOW

[viral siren]

#off-topic message

There's also this one

From the Creeps episode

[dim gale]

Which skin

[viral siren]

Finn and Jake both get their costumes from the Creeps episode

Prince Hotbud and Randy Butternubs

There's a second Finn variant where he's baseball themed

And uses a baseball bat

#videogames message

@dim gale here

[dim gale]

Woah sick. I need more finn skins. All the fin skins

[dim gale]

Thank you

[tranquil cove]

I don't reallyncare for the skin with the wolf mask but the baseball skin is pretty clean. The backpack and sword are different and he has the metal hand

[dim gale]

What wolf ??

[solemn adder]

It definitely does not have that good of a vacuum effect

[warm jetty]

Di, dodge, spacing characters like T&J, marvin, gizmo, something to keep him on range.

Finn combos are easy to escape but his an very stressfull character to fight so you got to be patient

And if you try to rush down you'll probably get zero 0 death

[finite sky]

Basically knowing Finn’s spacing is key to beating him

If you space right so the jab missed, he’ll probably dodge away. Throw a dash attack in that case to catch him off guard

[bold lintel]

how do I play against jason with Finn?

[rough valve]

your jab reaches much longer than Jason's, try to space properly

Jason hitbox is so large, and he is slow

[rough valve]

your jab reaches much longer than Jason's, try to space properly
Jason hitbox is so large, and he is slow

[torpid ginkgo]

nair and down tilt also break his rage

[wheat wren]

Can’t believe they left this idiotic character untouched

[south karma]

I think you need a positive hobby

[wheat wren]

Spam jab looking for the 0 to death combo all game like any other Finn

[finite sky]

Finn doesn’t have a zero to death, his combos can be DI’d out

You guys really gotta stop taking everything at face value

[neon eagle]

havent played finn in a long time because he needed a buff is he better now?

[warm jetty]

He didnt need an buff bud

He got buffed

And his good

Just beed skill and di read abd dodge read

[south karma]

Half the cast has a “zero to death” i hate saying skill issue but thats what it is. The true 0 to deaths get taken out.

[wheat wren]

Coping hard. Finn needs nerfs, like yesterday

[south karma]

Not even top of the cast and yet i see you here constantly, we’re not in charge of the game so id recommend take a break from the game or ask for ways to beat him and we’d be happy to help 🙂

[solemn adder]

He’s in a good spot right now

He may end up getting slight nerfs but probably nothing too crazy

[solemn adder]

I swear it feels like most people don’t know it’s not a true combo

[swift idol]

They just need to a
Nerf the spam ( I am a Finn main)

[solemn adder]

Wdym by the spam like the jab?

Bc I think his whiff frames on jab will be getting nerfed

That’s my prediction

[swift idol]

Yah

[solemn adder]

Either that or his uptilt

[finite sky]

For sure

[distant ibex]

I just think no character in the game should be able to move while indefinitely holding charge attacks.

In a game like this, having a tool like that is absurd.

Gizmo arrow, Finn everything, taz sandwich (gone for good reason)

Stuff like that is ludicrous

[finite sky]

It’s not indefinite