Bugs Bunny

[rough pulsar]

DK isn't trash in ultimate witch why it'll be best smash to me....also Duck hunt

[mild nimbus]

Hes awful

[sly trout]

Idk why but I don't have a main in ultimate

[topaz herald]

Yea its particular bad and negative

Which one? The most recent cause older smash games are not balanced

Melee has a cult following for better and worse

[rough pulsar]

Obviously not the old ones.

[leaden oxide]

bugs very strong tho

[neon patrol]

Strong is okay. Nothing wrong with that. Just no OP cheesy characters

[leaden oxide]

his nair kinda cheesy

[topaz herald]

it has weak priority and you can outspace it

[leaden oxide]

kind of

you can drift back with it

so you its pretty spammable and safe

nair probably his strongest move

[rough pulsar]

Nair isn't safe, he has the little spin out animation when he misses, Bugs safe move is the bat.

[leaden oxide]

nair is very safe

the ability to drift back with it is what makes it safe

running in with nair mindlessly obviously makes it very risky

[topaz herald]

Uprocket and upair i would say are better. Though nair is more useful in nuetral

[limpid vessel]

did someone @ me in this chat

[sly trout]

Nair is one of his better moves but not his strongest

I think that goes to Up Air, Tunnel, Rocket, or Side tilt

[neon patrol]

I learned you can kinda DI out of bat range if they're not ready for it

[flint gate]

whats nair?

[neon patrol]

Neutral air the spin

[flint gate]

ty

[leaden oxide]

i think the problem with rocket is that dodging out pretty much negates it in combos, tunnel is pretty easy to space aswell, upbat def his strongest kill confirm but i just think nair has too little faults

and the fact it combos into so many options makes it his best move rn

jab a contender but u just get punished for it against characters like shaggy and ww

[topaz herald]

uprocket is insane and it's not so much for combos but for spacing

it's just a colum of a hitbox that can land and you can follow up with for kills

and it coming down after like 20 seconds makes it the goat

so fun to play with it

[leaden oxide]

uprocket is insane for combo reads

pretty much a free kill confirm if they dodge in

[topaz herald]

that also you can get kills super early

[leaden oxide]

its just negated by the fact if they dodge out

top tier players just know this by the 3rd time u use uprocket in combos

also the fact that 50% of the time when they dodge in they touch the rocket but it doesnt explode

they will ride on it for like a whole second or touch it and just walk away fine, its inconsistent

[topaz herald]

yea that's a bit of a shame but i more so use it for control s

[leaden oxide]

the only reason i dont put uprocket higher is just that it has a cooldown, nair can be pretty much used in all situations and hittting it can get u a 3+ hit combo

and a kill confirm if u read the dodge

[fast anchor]

does this mean bugs can have his combos back

[sly trout]

Probably not, but bugs is fine without it for the most part

[fast anchor]

1984

[topaz herald]

He doesn’t have nair loops but he still has solid combos but they require dash dodging but they are worth it

[leaden oxide]

msot of his combos dont require dash dodging

his only dash dodge combo you need is uptilt upair at like 120

and even sometimes that combo doesnt need dash dodge

[topaz herald]

follow ups of fair and ftilt after tha jab do it and it makes nair upair much easier to land on mid percents

[leaden oxide]

i feel like its so much easier just pressing nair again

reacting to the dodge with nair is pretty consistnet

[sullen hatch]

Which skin is better, maestro or is it bugs? I fin maestro too simple and is just picked for it's animation

[vapid flower]

Hollywood Bugs, but Maestro got that extra aura

[topaz herald]

Brunhilde bugs, bugs in drag is always a slay

[regal river]

yeah the fem bugs and taz skins are just peak you cant compare

[timid briar]

I hate all of you btw

[rough pulsar]

Just wish we had the Fire Circuit Drone skin. The yellow gloves with the dark blue was..... Fire

[mild nimbus]

Tips for Bugs Bunny?

(Diamond 5)

[topaz herald]

Use uprocket instead of forward rocket. If an opennet refuses to approach just use projectiles and pressure them from afar. Also learn how to DI out of combos

[mild nimbus]

What if their in my face

[topaz herald]

Some one who’s aggressive is good cause you can dair them or nair them to get your own combos, you can also use charged fairs to space and when you hit if they ground bounce you can follow up with a combo

[mild nimbus]

Are their any recent Bugs combo guides?

[leaden oxide]

nair into nair

[charred crag]

How the heck do you fight Gizmo?

1v1, I feel like I'm being punished for being too aggresive or something

[leaden oxide]

losing matchup

just gotta kill him early with rocket upbat

[charred crag]

rip lmao

[modern cloak]

is there a way to control the direction your opponent flies after nair?

a lot of times i predict them to fly in the direction i go in but sometimes they just dont

[topaz herald]

Generally they go in the direction you face when you start it but they do have the ability to DI and change where they go so you need to figure out how the person DIs

[mild nimbus]

I can tell Uair is being nerfed

[timid briar]

Thank god

[topaz herald]

i thought jabs were supposed to have lower priority but bugs ariels loses to pretty much every jab out there. it's super disappointing everytime it happens

[leaden oxide]

ye cause its both a hurt and a hitbox pre sure

you need to hit them on the frame that they hit you but sometimes its weird and u just get hit

[charred crag]

Wait what????

Bugs already have sucky normals 😭

[mild nimbus]

Bc people have been complaining about it

[topaz heath]

make his safe more durable pls

[pine imp]

Is it just me or does Bugs feel really mid now?

[topaz herald]

He requires knowledge and practice now as opposed to before. His arieals aren’t great but he still has some of the best projectiles in the game as well as one of if not the best at pressuring people offstage. He also still has combos that kill most of the cast at 60-80%

[mild nimbus]

We got nerfed yall

[leaden oxide]

wat was the bad nerfs?

[rough pulsar]

No attacks from the tunnel, and nair has less backwards movement. Bat is legitimately his only safe move now.

[oblique meteor]

Not attacks from the tunnel? so I can't use tunnel as a punishing move anymore?

[oblique meteor]

You gotta show me what these combos are cuz all the combos I used to do with nair --> bat don't do that no more

[rough pulsar]

Have to wait and see, but you can't input moves while in tunnel it seems. But "coming through doc" should give enough hit stun to follow up though.

They're very insistent that Bugs in particular eat sheet if he whiffs anything.

[oblique meteor]

Naaah if they nerf the frames of attacks coming out of the tunnel at all that perk will be come virtually unviable. Even now if you don't aim uair or nair perfectly you run the risk of missing and not being able to adjust with aerial movement or anything. The hit stun isn't long enough to wait it out to adjust or to miss (like with nair, if you don't aim at the right height you can miss and they can dodge away)

[oblique meteor]

bruh, this.

[rough pulsar]

It still does damage and pop up, and disincentives camping the tunnel.

[oblique meteor]

yeah tell that to joker

and arya

and black adam

[rough pulsar]

Good thing they're not the whole cast....

[oblique meteor]

That reminds me, what's yall worst match up?

Mine is actually marvin

like unironically marvin

[rough pulsar]

Marvin, WW and Steven can just delete our kit for free.

Our starter is a jump in and Marvin good projectile only shoots up 🙃.

[oblique meteor]

Yeah bugs basically isnt a character vs them lol

Well actually i dont have much trouble against WW

[topaz herald]

well cosnidering the patches changing bugs stuff may be different, but often times jab to upsmash into dodge jump nair and upair is one of the msot consistent realiable kill ones. also at low percents naikr can combo into jab into upsmash into another nair or dai

[leaden oxide]

when does patch come out

[mild nimbus]

9am PDT your time Zone

[pine imp]

All the combos I know don't feel true online and the damage is usually bad.

most of the ring outs I get are either reversals or some crazy projectile snipe/set up

[leaden oxide]

if they di bugs combos it turns into like a 50/50 on whether its true or not

but against big characters you can usually get a consistent kill confirm at 40 off of one dodge read

[granite crater]

It rlly feels like Bugs hasn't gotten a meaningful buff yet

[leaden oxide]

i wouldnt say he needs one

hes good where he is

[pine imp]

I just want a reduction on nair lock out

[oblique meteor]

I would agree with you if his kit wasn't obsolete against 20% of the cast

Namely Marvin, a good WW, joker, batman, Steven, Gizmo, Stripe, Finn, Black Adam

[leaden oxide]

ww and joker are just too strong of characters he doesnt need to be buffed because of them, steven is pretty beatable other then shield removing rocket,
gizmo and stripe are fine you just need to be patient

finn just low profiles and BA isnt really a problem

[oblique meteor]

A character being strong says nothing about match ups

marvin is thought to be a pretty bad character but literally deletes bugs

It's about what other characters in the game have to deal with bugs

and how well they deal with him

And a lot of characters are just really bad match ups

too many

because they can do more than just counterplay his projectiles

They can render them unviable

And he's light, so characters that hit hard are added to that list to some extent

especially if they can deal with projectiles too

Point is, if you're gonna make bugs projectile heavy, give him ways to counterplay other characters' counterplay using projectiles

Or if you gonna make him more of a mixed character, give him better neutral tools to counterplay with neutral tools

Right now he's weak with both except for rocket

My summary of bugs is that he's a set-play focused character that is decent to above average in 40% of his matchups, below average in 30%, bad in 10% and obsolete in 20%

Where the majority of his bad match ups are because they can ignore his projectiles with little to no risk and/or because they can get a lot off of hitting bugs with little to no risk (i'm looking at you, Stripe's gun)

[topaz herald]

Not really it just requires lots of patiences and being up close. But you can get solid kills on him. Also the tunnel attack helps a bunch

[topaz herald]

Finn is also a good match up imo. You can trade-in most all his strings. The important part is instead of air dodging you dair or nair and then you can convert thise into damage or kills

Also you can bait his homing attack woth up rocket and he can home into it and get himself killef

And his safe destroyers are easily punishble

[topaz herald]

Also for wonder women the last kiss os great against her and your uprocket beats her armor and is great against her. The problem is her great nuetrals can beat bugs down

[rough pulsar]

Bugs can still rocket out of tunnel... 🤷🏿‍♂️

[topaz herald]

He has counter play to most characters who can insta destroy safes. You should bait the destroy move and space to punish it

Out of those i would only say ww, batman, and joker are bad mus. Also superman is tough. The rest are even or with finn actually a good matchup for bugs

Steven is even, he can stop your projectiles but you can also instakill the double and beat him in arieals and you can even use his shields against him. Putting a safe on top of a high shield and when it leaves the safe falling will be a hitbox

[topaz herald]

Bugs is amazing at surviving on most all characters its very easy to live to 150% or higher. Like against marvin you can dodge his kill projectiles and live into near 200%s on stocks

[mild nimbus]

How to beat Arya as Bugs?

[modern cloak]

how does bugs feel post patch?

[leaden oxide]

i think he feels good with the dair momentum change

allows me to hit small characters so much easier

[leaden oxide]

you can 0-60 superman with nair jab uptilt loop

one dodge read at 40+ will most likely net u a kill confirm too on supes

[topaz herald]

keep away from her when she's on the ground and pressure her when she's in the air and especially when you get her off stage

[leaden oxide]

hope and pray they miss

[topaz herald]

bugs dair feels amazing already, highkey feels like it was a buff to bugs.

[knotty hawk]

What does Buggs have to beat Taz's nado/cloud?

[charred crag]

Hole :^)

I dunno why, but Bugs feel better to use for some reason

[topaz herald]

Dair but also you can float away and not even need to challange. Its better to confront ot after taz ends or during the start up

[knotty hawk]

I get that I have the mobility to run away but i play 2s so sometimes i need to help a teammate. I try pies sometimes too. Mostly ive been trying to catch him with bat if hes in the air but will try dair on ground since I struggled with that

[sly trout]

Dodging it is the best option, his ability to float makes it easy

[knotty hawk]

Right but in 2s if I need to help a teammate or something what would my best options to practice be?

[sly trout]

Rocket or safe, is what I’d assume

Because Tazs attacks are easily avoidable but have high priority against bugs moves

[topaz herald]

For me its the arial movement with dair, he can now punish with it and you can air dodge dair for a fast approach

[leaden oxide]

you just pie cloud

in 2s you just have to avoid, cant contest if they have perk

[knotty hawk]

I was afraid these would be the only answers. Thanks though guess I just gotta let it happen sometimes

[topaz herald]

yea someties it's best to just take some damage and stay in a better position than try to stay in advantage and end up dieing

also Air dodge daigonaly towards the oppenent with dair seems to be an extreamly good approach

[charred crag]

I didn't know you could Pie cloud LMAO

[rough pulsar]

You still have to spawn pie then throw it, which isn't particularly fast. Just avoiding it is the best option imo, unless you already have pie in hand.

[leaden oxide]

before the dair change i was always holding pie

actually so convienient

[modern cloak]

the new nair feels so good for some reason 😩

[charred crag]

I kinda know why it feels so good now. You can actually link Air attacks to ground attacks more often

[leaden tree]

I really love to snipe people with the safe at the start of the match, really sets the "Clowning time" mood in a match

[bold laurel]

He's Iconic as heck. One of Warner's finest Cartoon Rabbits.

[oblique meteor]

Remake the game.

[wheat elk]

mmm... no

[topaz herald]

it's wild when a character with no projectiles insists on staying on the other side of the stage and doing nothing against bugs, like i won't approach you when i can throw stuff at you, and i will set up shennagins if you let me so thanks for the space.

[regal river]

some characters just straight up cant do anything against zoners so it makes sense

cant really blame the poor banana jason etc for having no way of dealing with projectiles

[topaz herald]

Yea though giving me more space to throw out more projectiles and not challange me when im out of dodge meter rarley helps them

[rough pulsar]

Both rocket and safe have recovery, and pie isn't super fast. Patience is a good option.(As unfun as that is)

[topaz herald]

Up rocket is very hard to punish for most since its it a wall hitbox but also when pulling pies its better to hold it cause everyone expects instant pie throwing

[crimson perch]

Excuse me, what are Bugs weaknesses to beat him?

[topaz herald]

His normals have terrible priority, most of the time if hes throwing out a normal thats not dair or upair your normals are likley to win, his fair is punishable as well.
Also when youre at 100% or higher be careful when above bugs because that upair is vicious and even a trade would favor him.

Also if hes using safe you can punish it if your close enough, like if he comes out of spawn throwing a safe or other projectile get on his ass asap

[true garnet]

Time to lock in, what's Bugs' preferred perk set

[crimson perch]

I actually used to play bugs as a limited character to unlock TnJ, Here's what I recommend you:
-Lingeren love
-That's flammable doc,
-Speed force assist
-Pugilist

[charred crag]

iS jOKER hIGH Tier or something?

I dunno, he seems to go all over the place for a mage

[charred crag]

Lingering is borderline useless

[crimson perch]

It can be used to stun people

[charred crag]

The other perk already does that and more

and people used to run Lingering Love mainly because you'd want an early enrage

[crimson perch]

But it stays for a longer time

Giving a chance to combo

[charred crag]

Coming Through Doc, Last Stand, That's Flammable, and Blind Spot Guard

[charred crag]

The cooldown is also garbage

[crimson perch]

The second perk is just even more useless

[charred crag]

and no, it doesn't stay long enough for it to be practical for zoning

[crimson perch]

U shouldn't be toxic here, you know?

[charred crag]

either way, Coming Through Doc forces them to react near the holes

[crimson perch]

What I'm saying about the second perk that it just makes damage and that damage doesn't even worth

So I think the 5% is best for him

[charred crag]

The damage ISN'T the point

[crimson perch]

You mean for combos?

[charred crag]

Bugs doesn't need to focus on combos, bugs need to focus on controlling spaces

[crimson perch]

He already can control without that perk

[charred crag]

even then, the bread-and-butter for bugs bunny is more than enough. Nair, UAir, Dair, Jab

[charred crag]

Bugs has a bad time actually approaching or disengaging without his projectiles because his normals have laggy startups as compared to most other characters

[crimson perch]

Ok

[charred crag]

Lingering Heart is a laggy special on top of the laggy stuff bugs can do

[leaden oxide]

comin through doc, flammable, 100 weakened and pugilist probably

havnt explored the new perks

if you really find the tunnels useless swap it for 5%

but you shouldnt find it useless tunnel perk is amazing

[true garnet]

That much I do know

Always dig a tunnel

[leaden oxide]

i wouldnt use love perk over 5%

5% just gets you kills so much earlier

there are some morty players that i would vs i would put on 5% over tunnels cause they never get hit by them anyway

[charred crag]

Blind Spot guard is good because it's a safety net if you guessed wrong on resets

[leaden oxide]

yeah i would take that over puglist then

[topaz herald]

Its greatbin some matchups like iron giant and ones that can easily counter tunnel. Also fantastic for edge gaurding

i use 100 perk because bugs is fantastic and surviving with his float and being able to survive, pugalist is consistent damage and if you do nair loops and other combos it adds alot.

But yea in most instances im using tunnel

[mild nimbus]

Plus Tunnel is more versatile

[topaz herald]

Yea it is, i would say like 80% of matchups it better. But like iron giant def its better for lingering love and maybe arya since it clips her out of her stuff

Also other characters that are great at avoiding or punishing tunnel pulling out the heart can be goog

[mild nimbus]

Cant you just make a new set but with Lingering Love

[topaz herald]

Yes thats what i have a counter matchup set

Tunnel is my go to but i will counterpick with a love set

[granite crater]

I wish that Tunnel was more reliable
like instead of it just going away after a couple of seconds, you get like- 5 chances to use it before it goes away

[topaz herald]

It lasts for a decent amount of time. Also pretty sure you can perserve it for a bit at least enough you can have a safe looping in it

[mild nimbus]

And put the rocket in the tunnel

[topaz herald]

He doesn’t but knowing his combos so you can kill in the 60-80% range is important. And also know his strings that end with them dodging and you getting a chance to punish that dodge is important

[charred crag]

I agree and I may have worded that poorly, yeah, but to pick Lingering Love over Coming Through for you to have access to another combo route when you already have more than enough combo routes to kill seems kinda excessive

[topaz herald]

Tunnel is also a great approach for projectile heavy characters in general its better but lingering love isn’t useless. Honestly it could prolly help against batman that camps the edge with up air

[prime jacinth]

I might play bugs for a bit what are some combos that I should do with him?

[mild nimbus]

How to beat Taz?

[true garnet]

It is crazy how he has the best up air in the game still

I hit it so far inside of me and killed PPG at 50

[fringe tide]

soooo why isnt the bat move nerfed yet?

[leaden oxide]

no way i feel the opposite

tunnels is so good with iron giants massive hitbox

if they dont have bolts thats like easily 50+ damage combo

[leaden oxide]

5 times is already too much with how strong it actually is

[leaden oxide]

nair into nair is true

[topaz herald]

Nair into jab into either fair/nair/upair depending on percents.
Fair can follow up after a ground bounce into jab upsmash.
Also upsmash dodge jump into nair into upair is a vital combo got getting kills

[knotty hawk]

I once hit a chain of neutral airs into uptilt over and over bouncing a jason off the bottom of the basketball hoop on the space jam map til he was 80%. Probably could have true combod into up air but I whiffed it thinking how funny it was

[topaz herald]

Yea you can do those loops on bigger body characters like jason and superman, very yseful loops

[charred crag]

Because it's the ONLY move that feels actually safe with Bugs

[desert zephyr]

Guys i saw some bugs doing insanely high and fast jump after uptilit to kill me how do they do that ?

[knotty hawk]

Yah that and maybe downair are his really only good moves for challenging characters like taz

[rough pulsar]

Jump dodge and input attack.

If the timing is right you'll launch higher and whatever move you put in comes out faster.

[topaz herald]

it's dodge jump input and it's vital for a lot of bugs kill combos

[charred crag]

What am I supposed to watch out for when I'm facing Lebron?

I feel like I'm playing vs a Zoner that can punch fast hahaha

[charred crag]

Is there a video of how to do it? the only combo I know is connecting Nairs to Dairs/up-airs to multi-jabs and stuff

[rough pulsar]

It's literally just getting the right timing. Jump dodge up input an attack. It's like dodge dash.

You'll know if you hit it when your player color fills the circle that appears when you dodge.

[topaz herald]

Take some time in practice mode to figure out the timing

[topaz herald]

His up air kills, when offstage watch for him throwing a basketball to kill.

[granite elbow]

what about bunny infinite loop?

[mild nimbus]

What infinite💀

[granite elbow]

try to escape from a nair loop with jeson, it makes you easily 0-3

[unkempt notch]

Nair loop should be long gone
Was this against the wall?

[unkempt isle]

Is anyone in here a bugs main that is at master rank or grandmaster I am trying to get better with bugs bunny and trying to learn new combos and learn how to survive more. With bugs

[leaden oxide]

nothing you can do lmao

its an unwinnable matchup

you have to have perfect timing every single engagement if you want to win against bugs as jason

[topaz herald]

that's not infinite and you DI away and up

[topaz herald]

yes i'm at masters

[knotty hawk]

I think DI up/away breaks it. Could be wrong ofc but yah buggs can at least get 1 nair into uptilt into nair again,

[charred crag]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-worship-worshipping-now-bowing-gif-12297363

Worship. The. Masters.

[topaz herald]

Lol im going to be focusing on art soon so wont have much time for multiversus but can always give advice for bugs

[topaz herald]

so big thing for iron giant matchup, you can crouch his upb car spin

[charred crag]

Too bad the rest of his hurtbox is stupidly invincible lmao

[leaden oxide]

shouldnt lose against ig as bugs anyway

in 1s atleast

[topaz herald]

Ig is a matchup check and if your careless he can kill really easy

[scenic pond]

Coming thru doc has combos and a lot of them are kill comboes 😭🙏

[lucid cloak]

How do you counter bugs nair

He just spins around like an helicopter

Thats so braindead

[unkempt isle]

Can anyone give me tips on bugs

[unkempt isle]

Just move out the you can dodge roll or hit him with a move

[lucid cloak]

What if im jason

I cant do anything

He even has loops

[unkempt isle]

Just teleport

[lucid cloak]

Thats worse teleport has endlag

[unkempt isle]

Or do bed move I am a bugs main that’s how you heat it

Beat the move

[fringe tide]

that is most bugs playing style, alongside spamming the bat

[topaz herald]

Moves with high priority, you can trade and he does like 2% when you can do a full hit

[topaz herald]

Specifically as jason you do have to hold the first two loops but DI away and you can use the armor on grab to hit him out. If bugs is just spamming nair space with ftilt and fair, you’re move wins that trade

[charred crag]

Bugs can't spam nair in particular and Bugs's normals are deceptively shorter than they appear

Honestly, with bugs, you have to know when to time your approach because once you bait bugs, he has a large opening

[knotty hawk]

Yah jason has a few moves that can reach buggs before nair reaches him. Nair is also kinda like iron giants upspecial int hat his entire lower bodies is exposed. Standing upspecial as jason can likely rip him out of the air consistently if he keeps coming at you with it. Fair like you said would also be a useful tool. Main issues at that point are learning the timing to punish

[topaz herald]

yea that just takes match-up practice but also indidivudal insight on the person you're facing and their habbits

[knotty hawk]

Its the type of thing thats hard to comment on without footage. Conceptually if someone really is always going in with nair it is relatively easy to punish and once you start punishing they probably just start using nair as a combo tool.

[leaden oxide]

you dont bro

its -3 matchup

against a decent bugs your finished

[charred crag]

How do you deal with batman?

Like, what should I watch out with him?

[topaz herald]

When you’re above him watch put for his upb and up air, both will kill deceptively early and your better off getting out of that position. Also when he throws a bataramg he will try to keep you between him and the rang so avoid that

[void forge]

anyone know anything about why the matrix variant isnt even in his variant list?

[mild nimbus]

PFGGG BUFF BUGS NORMALS AND MY GLEAMIUM IS YOURRS

[astral carbon]

just started bugs, what are good perks?

[topaz herald]

for me i need more bugs in drag

[topaz herald]

That's flamable doc, the 100 one, and pugalist. As bugs you can survive over 100 for a very long time being floaty and dodgey

[astral carbon]

gotcha

thanks brodie

rn i have comin thru, snowball speed and pugilist

but i might switch it up

[charred crag]

jUST WONDERING

Is Steven Universe like the worst partner for Bugs Bunny?

I was playing with a friend and he told me that HIS win condition was the shields, but like I keep telling him I can't have shields around the game because I needed a clear area since my projectiles need to kill horizontally

[astral carbon]

i think ur friend enjoys complaining

[topaz herald]

nah they can work together, also i do think your rocket and stuff can go through the back of shields your ally creates. also you can kill very easily vertically with bugs

[echo shell]

bugs tips and tricks pls fellow main

[charred crag]

No, they can't

[topaz herald]

Jab uptilt into iad and nair upair kills most of the cast super early.

[mild nimbus]

Can you some me in combos channel plz

[astral carbon]

whats iad ngl idk many of the slang for it

[mild nimbus]

Instant Air Dodge i think

[astral carbon]

oh bet thanks

[topaz herald]

yea basically aftedr the upsmash you roll than instantly jump to get a higher jump that can reach for the follow up nair into upair

[echo shell]

hmmm

what on earth is roll

[topaz herald]

Dodging left or right, your character does a dodge roll

[echo shell]

ah

bugs just phase through existence

[topaz herald]

Lol

[echo shell]

also i dont see it go any higher

and i hate batman slide move

[topaz herald]

Its a very annoying move to deal with and counters nair play

[astral carbon]

i play bats lmaooo

[oblique meteor]

Bugs Bippity op

[knotty hawk]

harleys slide and short characters in general make nair annoying to just throw out

[oblique meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-looney-tunes-cartoons-gif-25067683

[topaz herald]

Yea its better to use dair in those instances

[echo shell]

how do u guys hit nair so low on the ground

jump dogde nair?

[knotty hawk]

Do you mean iad? I mean i guess you could but i never felt the need to do that. can also just jump nair and hold down and youll still spin once you reach the floor

[oblique meteor]

I had to change my controls to have nair on its own button to be able to press down and nair to the ground

[echo shell]

I got dair on 1 button

definitely need one for nair

one thing i found out is if you jump dodge and nair rlly quickly

it basically and nair dash

[charred crag]

Is WW a bad matchup?

[mild nimbus]

Well its -1 for me bc the shield blocks Bugs projectiles

[topaz herald]

Yea slightly, uprocket is vital in this matchup and you can do jab upmsash nair loop at low percents for good damage. Her normals really beat ours put. Also when shes armored, jab can beat it.

[sullen hatch]

Imagine Looney toon show Lola being a alternative custom for bugs.

[fast anchor]

Imagine if they cranked up the base knockback on upair so it just instakills that would be balanced I think

[unkempt notch]

Switch the startup times of jab and kiss

[charred crag]

Broooo... Why do they hate Bugs Bunny so much ;w;

Damage reduced to 9 from 10
like, what else are we supposed to do?

[modern cloak]

is that a lot? i can’t really imagine that one damage less is gonna be game changing

[mild nimbus]

It isnt tbh most of us run Puglist anyway

[modern cloak]

i think it’s way worse that bugs didn’t get a galaxy skin

💔💔💔💔

[mild nimbus]

Bugs being shafted of skins again.......

[modern cloak]

at least the mexico event one is nice

[charred crag]

I don't. I use the new Perk in place of Pugilist ;w;

[leaden oxide]

taking less damage > doing more

[signal ginkgo]

i am the literally bugs bunny

[unkempt notch]

i am the literally bugs buddy

[mild nimbus]

Why does the bat feel faster

[unkempt notch]

Less hitpause

Bugs Bunny
Air Up Attack
Damage reduced to 9 from 10
~ Hitpause reduced

[astral carbon]

kinda nice tho

[mild nimbus]

Most people just run Puglist anyway it's nothing

[unkempt notch]

Very nice change
The hitpause is especially noticeable for opponents. As a Marvin player, Bugs would swing at my UFO and I would try to hit him once he misses. I'd end up getting hit too because the hitpause from striking the UFO was sooo long

[astral carbon]

do yk how to get hypergalactic coins lol

[topaz herald]

GIVE ME MORE BUGS IN DRAG

[signal ginkgo]

Oh wow it’s stress inducer the Marvin player!!

[manic crag]

Who wants to teach me some bugs rabbit

[torpid palm]

i don't think it's a good time to start playing bugs tbh (saying from a top 107 bugs main xD)

[manic crag]

Dc

Still want to play bugs rabbit

[torpid palm]

his nair is just weird right now and i think it's a bug tbh cause they didn't say anything about it on the patch notes

[manic crag]

I’m a top 100 Tom and Jerry loser searching for his next main

They gutted Tom

And bugs seems fun

[torpid palm]

well it was xD

but sure we can talk

[topaz herald]

as a top 10 i can say he's pretty fun but takes some time to learn

gotta learn how to do dodge jump cancels for his best combos

[torpid palm]

have you played bugs today?

[topaz herald]

not in this most recent patch, cause my analog stick is acting up so need a new controller first

[torpid palm]

oh...well you're in for a unpleasant suprise

bugs nair is kinda wacky right now...

[topaz herald]

that's not the main thing I use with him but it is nice for nair to upair for a finisher

his nair has been wacky for a while honestly, ever since that input thing but his dair recently has been amazing

[torpid palm]

oh absolutely, to get some juicy reads xD

[topaz herald]

not just that but Dair is great at punishing stuff, and if you hit with it you can often combo into damage or kills based on percent

[torpid palm]

but really all i wanna say is that bugs feels way slower now

cause his nair carries like no momentum now for some reason (at least compared with old nair)

@topaz herald here btw
#clips message

[mild nimbus]

He feels sluggish tbh

[torpid palm]

that's what i said

[mild nimbus]

Did he get a shadow nerf?

If he did thats stupid

[torpid palm]

either a bug or a shadow nerf, but i think it's a shadow nerf yeah

[topaz herald]

maybe it's accross the board? cause i can still do most all my stuff with him

trying now, but my analog stick is wacky so i can't say for sure

but yea once you land you can't move as much

[mild nimbus]

Hope ifs a Bug

[torpid palm]

but it's probably my bad cause i used sair and nair as my approach tools (and also for playing way too agressive for bugs bunny xD)

i'm just too attached to nair that now i can't play without it, but guess imma have to play more passive since i can't just throw out nairs without consequences anymore

[mild nimbus]

Tbh i have things to work on aswell

Plus does anyone feel Bugs struggle at killing now or am i just bad

As in Uair

[torpid palm]

i think the bat still ok

[topaz herald]

jab to upsmash to nair to upair still kills

bugs can still kill very good

[torpid palm]

the problem with bugs is that two of his moves are pushovers (kiss and ground hammer), you can't really use those since they're slow

the hammer is still usable sometimes tho, just not that viable

[topaz herald]

yea nair is a terrible approach option, espcially since it's easy to low profile, it's better to dash cancel down airs for approach

[mild nimbus]

Don't even bother using it if you dont have Lingering Love for the Kiss

[topaz herald]

but you can slide with nair still

[topaz herald]

it's good sometimes on spawn can catch people

i mean when the enemie spawns

[torpid palm]

i don't have the balls to throw out a kiss xD

i'll miss for sure

[mild nimbus]

I dont use it bc so many characters can destroy the Lingering Love

[topaz herald]

i preferer tunnel but lingering love is great for edge gaurding

[unkempt notch]

If you ever land a ground parry it's pretty much a free kiss

[mild nimbus]

True

[torpid palm]

why the kiss if the oponent already stunned...extra damage i guess?

[unkempt notch]

Near-useless otherwise, and they gutted Lingering Love for some reason

[mild nimbus]

I mostly use tunnel bc more versatile

[unkempt notch]

2 seconds is crazy long to set up almost anything

[torpid palm]

i don't even wanna tell how many parries i've got from nubia down air

so damm predictable

[unkempt notch]

Can also use a full taunt after a kiss for funsies

[topaz herald]

yea it's better in most matchups though there are a couple where lingering love can be usefull, basically ones that can ignore tunnel or punish it easily, iron giant can struggle with the kiss alot

[torpid palm]

all i wanted to say is that me not happy with new nair, i did agree it needed a bit of a nerf from how scot free you could move away if you missed it, but i do think it got butchered a little bit too hard, kinda took the fun of bugs fun of just flying through the map with his speed

[topaz herald]

you can still move with nair

you gotta time it a bit different

[torpid palm]

well i want to be carried by nair like before xD

[topaz herald]

lol\

[torpid palm]

i know i'm whinning but in a couple days i'll get used to this

just a bit shocked, that's all
again, cause they didn't put it on the patch notes, and that make me angy >:(

[topaz herald]

also playing a bit now and bugs is still solid, but also my playstyle doesn't involve too many nairs and his other stuff is still very good

[torpid palm]

yeah it's not like you can play too agressive when you're too high on the ranks, when everyone else is also passive

[topaz herald]

and nair still true combos into upair for kills

[torpid palm]

yeah

bugs still the same, but i miss like, being quick with bugs

but since bugs is a mage he couldn't just fly through the map with nairs like a damm assassin, so i understand the change (if it was on purpose)

[topaz herald]

you can still go around the map with dairs and fairs

[torpid palm]

that's fair

but i do think that nair to up ground attack is a bit more precise now

i almost always gotta go to the mixup that is nair down special (cooldown) cause the enemies always end up going above my head and not in front of me

which was rarely a problem before the nair changes

[topaz herald]

if you land a nair at low percents you can follow up with a jab to upsmash though when it goes above also the rocket mixup

[torpid palm]

it's kinda hard to get nair jab tho, unless the enemie is playing a tank or someone heavy (or if the opponent just DIs correctly)

or maybe i'm just bad

[strange pendant]

BUFF NUKE SPEED

[topaz herald]

nuke?

[torpid palm]

i think he means the rocket, which is kinda funni, making the rocket faster makes it worse since it will be on the map for less time and cover less area, so it would actually be a nerf xD

[topaz herald]

yea that would be such a bad nerf i would consider switching, uprocket is so good becuase of it's time delay, people will forgot about it and you get so much off it

[torpid palm]

up rocket also has a trcik where you put a safe on it and safe bounces on the floor for no apparent reason, but i do it all the time

safe just kinda flies and then comes back to the floor with a hitbox

(but you probably know that already)

[strange pendant]

I thought it was pretty cool :(

[torpid palm]

i mean that would probably make the side rocket a bit better...

but no one really uses side rocket

[topaz herald]

speeding up the rocket would nearly ruin everything that makes it great

so yea he didn't get shadow nerfed this patch, he's still most all the same and still all has his good stuff

[charred crag]

still has all his good stuff
Last stand gets """"bugfixed"""" removed until further notice

https://tenor.com/view/sad-crying-upset-bugs-bunny-bunny-gif-4994225

[topaz herald]

no idea what last stand is?

oh wait shoot

that sucks they got rid of it but that's universal

[charred crag]

Buggybros, what perk should we use? lmao

is the new Perk actually good though? lol

[charred crag]

Does Bugs bunny really have a stubby hitbox or does Agent Smith have a small hitbox?

[signal ginkgo]

Facts

[signal ginkgo]

Nair can go into a lot of good moves bugs have like d-special on cooldown if the opponent happens to be above you when you hit them with the falling nair

[mild nimbus]

Why does Bugs feel like molasses on the ground.Pls tell me its a bug

[signal ginkgo]

Well yeah bugs definitely feels horrible on the ground hence why I usually am always doing something in the air

Main time I’m on the ground is when I hit the opponent with a falling nair

Or doing jab ofc

[mild nimbus]

He felt faster in previous patches

[signal ginkgo]

I feel like bugs has horrible whiff on the ground but uh have you considered using the speed for perk?

*force

[mild nimbus]

Yea i have Speed Force on

So idk why its happening

[signal ginkgo]

Oh well honestly I can’t explain, bugs never been too fast but with the game changes they’ve been doing he’s definitely been feeling worse in terms of speed

[mild nimbus]

If its a shadow nerf im quitting

PFG needs to stop shadow nerfing

[signal ginkgo]

Nah I doubt they’d nerf his speed without telling us but then again who knows

[mild nimbus]

Look in recent patch notes

[signal ginkgo]

Hm?

[mild nimbus]

Did not say reduced movement speed

[signal ginkgo]

True, I hope they didn’t shadow nerf him

[mild nimbus]

If they did im gonna quit bc WHY NERF HIM WITHOUT TELLING IN THE PATCH NOTES

[signal ginkgo]

Yeah looked through all the patch notes never was a speed specific nerf besides the nair

[torpid palm]

they didn't even adress the nair in the patch notes tho, that's why it's weird

his speed is the same, it's just the nair that's sluggish af

[mild nimbus]

PFG i want a word

[topaz herald]

it's really only landing with his nair, the rest of his stuff still works though requires dash canceling moves, which you could do before, he didn't get shadow nerfed

[signal ginkgo]

They have, in multiple patch notes not the most recent

[mild nimbus]

Yo Bugs mains you mind throwing hands to see what im doing wrong with him

[leaden oxide]

bugs needs a nerf

[hearty needle]

Is samurai Jack a bad matchup

[leaden oxide]

not really

u jsut cant approach horizontally

u get outranged

[charred crag]

Fought with a lot of Jacks. As long as you don't edgecamp (which is where he shines the most), you can do well against him

and even edge isn't that bad, Bugs can shark a bit

[mild nimbus]

I FINALLY GOT MASTER WITH BUGS

[charred crag]

Graaaaaaaatz

[signal ginkgo]

How I’m tryna be. I’m diamond 1 rn

[mild nimbus]

I believe

[signal ginkgo]

Thankyou man

[mild nimbus]

Best those GMs

[mild nimbus]

Do yall think Bugs needs frame data buffs?

[strange pendant]

i do :(

[knotty hawk]

3 days late on that but side rocket is pretty bad depending on matchup, some characters can just destroy it, up rocket poses more of a threat and can do setup shenanigans with tunnel

[leaden oxide]

no, bugs is insane rn

if anything needs a slight nerf

[mild nimbus]

How do you beat Finn with Bugs

[topaz herald]

Congrats

[topaz herald]

Di away amd down or up and instead of air dodging his strings you content with dairs and nairs

[topaz herald]

The fact his aerials lose out to other peoples jabs when jabs are supposed to be lower priority

[knotty hawk]

hes fine as is

[leaden oxide]

debatable on both sides

hes very very strong

i think he is perfect if hes toned down just a tiny bit

[charred crag]

Y E S

[mild nimbus]

Im starting to think that aswell

[charred crag]

The main problem with bugs is that, once you've exhausted all of your projectiles that isn't Pie, you've practically devolved to a kit filled with bad startup frames and janky hitboxes

[leaden oxide]

your making his normals seem worse then they are

he has a less than favourable frame data but if they buff that they need to nerf something else

[charred crag]

If they won't buff the frame data, then at the very least buff the hitboxes

I don't mind laggy startups if that means bugs can actually hit something with it

and for the record, TnJ has BOTH wide normal hitboxes AND fast normal frames

[leaden oxide]

yeah but thats a tnj issue

they should get rid of that

i would agree if 90% of bugs moves didnt combo into each other

you hit sair dair nair jab uptilt they all combo

[mild nimbus]

Is it illegal to have combos.

?

[leaden oxide]

no

bugs combo routes mostly lead to 0-40s or kills off of 1 read

i dont think character should have insane combo routes like that

[mild nimbus]

You think thats bad have u seen Shaggy and Batman

[leaden oxide]

yeah but im saying thats bad too

im not saying that they dont need to be touched

i dont think they should make all characters top tier

[knotty hawk]

The debate depends on what parts you are talking to see nerfed. He has a solid normal set with his combos it feels great but I don't think he exactly needs a nerf. What would you touch?

[leaden oxide]

his nair

i dont think it needs that much movement

his nair has so much free reign

if they do that i think they need to change the hit boxes a little

[knotty hawk]

Which part of the movement. They already nerfed its backwards momentum

And change the hit box how. It already doesn’t work great vs short opponents and like iron giant it leaves the half of his body not attacking vulnerable.

[leaden oxide]

vertical movement

i feel like clashes are not in bugs favour with nair eithert

[knotty hawk]

I agree with that but that’s also why I don’t think it needs to be nerfed. The vertical movement is just downward

[charred crag]

True, they just need to make all the characters fun

and by fun, I mean fun to use AND fun to fight against

[knotty hawk]

I think the gradual lowering of the power ceiling we’ve been seeing is good

[leaden oxide]

yeah i agree

just some characters are still so strong

[charred crag]

like, Little Mac. He's not meta, but it's fun to try exploiting his air mobility weakness, but it's also fun trying to go for the KO kills lmao

[topaz herald]

yea bugs is one of the funnest characters i have played as in a platform fighter and everyone int heg ame could be at his level

[manic crag]

I really wanna get good with bugs

[mild nimbus]

He is hard character to learn mechanical wise

[charred crag]

When's the situation do you guys say it's more viable to Lingering than Comin?

[mild nimbus]

Depends on the MU really

Most Bugs players use Comin through Doc

Lingering Love is good against IG

[leaden oxide]

i would say 1/100 cases

if ur not using tunnel perk use 5% and you get kills at like 70 pretty consistently

[leaden oxide]

not really

he has a pretty simple flow chart that you follow

you just have to time your normals cause they have less priority a lot of the times

[charred crag]

With shield being a thing now, are they going to nerf Bugs's Jab now?

(pls don't) 😭

[rough pulsar]

It's a stubby I doubt they'd nerf it.

Nair isn't a pseudo cross up anymore with shields so there's that.

Rocket and safe could be quite useless too if they're blockable.

Maybe the tethering safe setup could be used for baiting shield and eating up meter.

[mild nimbus]

Considering the hate we get we sre getting nerfed

[rough pulsar]

Shield existing Nerfs Bugs imo

[mild nimbus]

I've seen a Finn main hate on him

[mild nimbus]

Yeaa fair bc block projectiles

[rough pulsar]

Also the purpose of Bugs projectiles is to bait an action to punish. You don't need to move now.

[mild nimbus]

So just stand there?

[rough pulsar]

Why not.

They could just block it

[leaden oxide]

does it block things like rocket?

nvm i just watched the video

just takes more meter

they didnt show any 2s gameplay

im wondering how that will affect gameplay

[rough pulsar]

Bugs jab might devour the shield.

Probably could bait block then devour your opponents resources.

[scenic pond]

I dropped a whole bunch of bugs comboes in #combos

Some are pretty good

[topaz herald]

Its already one if the worst jabs in the game, seriously in terms of priority it loses to other jabs

[leaden oxide]

i wouldnt put it bottom 5 jab

even if it loses in priority it vacuums, breaks armour, combo starter into a 0-40 and potential kill combo

[fervent hedge]

Just give us a Daffy alt for him and make him reference how much that sucks. Otherwise carry on good chungus.

[topaz herald]

it is good for combos true

[mild nimbus]

Is Broken Wings good on Bugs?

[rare plover]

i wish misfortune upon you all

[wanton tundra]

If you struggle against bugs then just get better 🤷🏾‍♂️ my boi been nerfed so much yet people still complain. Only cause a good skilled player makes bugs top tier. Any highly skilled player can make a character top tier.
Don’t see people constantly complaining about characters that are actually busted. Bugs is a really well made character he’s kit is diverse he takes strategy. If your just spamming his bat move then your not getting bugs true experience.

[mild nimbus]

Ive seen Finn mains complain about him

[worldly pagoda]

Question, is it better to use "Lingering Love" or "Comin Through Doc"?

I view both perks as useful since tunnel can be used aggressively and punish enemies who camp at the end of it and Bugs grounded side special can actually be useful for the temporary trap

[mild nimbus]

Comin through Doc is more versatile

[scenic pond]

I wish we could post videos here cuz I found a 0 to 80 ish with bugs

It's 100% true too

[topaz herald]

Bugs is a very bad mu for finn

[wanton tundra]

No tf it’s not💀

Bro can dash and break nuke and go through safe

Amor bun’s shield also

Like nah

Tf you mean bad match up

[topaz herald]

When finn puts you in a string you can often dair or nair out of it. When he doesn’t get s kill string you can kill much easier. You can also mess with his side b with up rocket. Sometimes he will home on rocket sending himself up to get hit by it then die.

A lot of finns strings you can not only hit out of but do more damage to him. Finn will often have to do way more work and damage to get a kill than bugs does. And bugs can reverse ko him out of his strings

Finn can easily deal with projectiles but he struggles with trading and bugs reversing the situation on strings. The mu gets way more even when he has bemo. Which is your sign as bugs to be extremely patient and careful. Also finn can at nuetrsl low profile nairs so its often better to use something else instead

Lingering love can also work pretty well against finn

[leaden oxide]

can we have a gander

post in combos

[torpid palm]

Putting this bugs bunny montage in here cause yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfBVeiXSof0

[prime jacinth]

Just post it in combos and link the message here

[scenic pond]

#combos message

[frozen silo]

Average bugs combo 😭

[leaden oxide]

its di' able

[scenic pond]

Yeah probably for some characters

[leaden oxide]

it can be done on jason

probably supes too

[scenic pond]

fr?

[leaden oxide]

probably

[scenic pond]

i doubt that

[leaden oxide]

whys that

[scenic pond]

The hitstun + Jason's giant hurtbox wouldn't let jason get away in time

[leaden oxide]

oh

i mean the combo can be done on jason

not that he can di it

[scenic pond]

Oh

Yeah definitely

U can also delay the nair after the rocket to get a tech read that might work on smaller characters

[manic crag]

Somebody teach me some bugs

Asap

[torpid palm]

damm why in such a rush, but i can help you if ya want

[manic crag]

Asap

Combos techs

Everything

User is Temp_Rot

Psn player

[torpid palm]

ok ok

[manic crag]

Tom and Jerry main by heart but bugs looks fun

[manic crag]

I’m a get it done typa guy as you can see

[torpid palm]

yeah i remember you fighting with people over the paddle rework xD

[manic crag]

I still do

[torpid palm]

i've always used paddle into sair so i don't really feel the change

[manic crag]

Paddle into Jerry shot had so many combo routes

I didn’t loop

That was boring

Paddle into Jerry shot dodge jab into prediction paddle scratch was🤤🤤🤤

Anyways bugs

The rabbit

[torpid palm]

and now added yipe

[manic crag]

Alr

Uh vc or?

[torpid palm]

i don't really have a mic you see xD

[manic crag]

E

Accepted

[torpid palm]

maybe you can get something out of some matches together

[manic crag]

Uhh

Sure

Start a custom

Gold one bugs 🤓

[torpid palm]

diamond 2 bugs (if i remember correctly xD)

kinda rusty on bugs

[manic crag]

My bugs is so bad😭

[torpid palm]

i'm just playing ass right now, i still hate the new nair ;-;

[manic crag]

My bugs is still mid😔

[torpid palm]

you feeling like you learning something at least tho?

[manic crag]

Not really

Me and you are doing the same combos

Feel like I’m doing the same thing

Not learning

[torpid palm]

yeah that's really just bugs tbh

[manic crag]

Nah but I’ve seen some crazy bugs

[torpid palm]

bugs was like fun before his nair shadow nerf

now it's way warder to approach

[manic crag]

No dude but like

I’ve seen CRAZY bugs

[torpid palm]

how crazy we talking about xD

[manic crag]

Ones who don’t fish for nair

Or fish for jab combos

They abuse rabbit whole

[torpid palm]

yeah that's what they do

[manic crag]

Maybe I’m doing smth wrong

[torpid palm]

really just don't contest the hole and you're good, stay far away from it xD

[manic crag]

Idk maybe I’ll figure it out

Just have to find a gm bugs or smth

Thanks for trying tho

I appreciate you taking time off your day

[torpid palm]

hey you're welcome

i'm not really the best coach tbh

[frozen silo]

everything into nair up air

[manic crag]

Hey sigma giant

How are the kids

[frozen silo]

awful

they all diss me now on kizzy

now i gotta beg aeri s to run 2s

[manic crag]

Rough times man

I pray for you 🙏

[charred crag]

hOW DO you approach a Velma?

The velma I faced was kinda moving around

[restive aspen]

literally just dodge cancel nair

you have way better aerials and combos than her

dont give her room to set-up and zone you out

[solemn estuary]

Your characters up air is absolutely insane, please tell me you all realize it

[topaz herald]

Yes is his best normal and one of his only ones that doesn’t have garbo priority

[solemn estuary]

I wish for some of that kill power to go into some other moves in his kit

[topaz herald]

His fair can kill pretyy well when your aggressive offstage which you should be against everyone but superman

[solemn estuary]

Maybe putting some of the bs from Up air into the pie or side special would be a good idea

I never see anyone using smooch and that pie is so easily avoidable

[fervent hedge]

Watched someone get parried into the smooch into up, up and away. Hilarious.

[charred crag]

? it's above average but it deffo still feels stubby to me

[charred crag]

noted on this

it just feels bad that a lot of her moves seems more ranged than mine tbh

like all she has to do is flashlight me or something hahahah

[leaden oxide]

could be top 3

maybe top 5

[rapid meadow]

I cannot wait to shield this character's BS. Tired of rocket and safe being out at the same time where you are forced to jump and get up aired anyways. Dodging in leads to getting jabbed. Going off stage puts you in disadvantage. What is the correct option currently to avoid rocket and safe?????

[rough pulsar]

I had written quite a bit but decided to reduce it to: "just be patient"

Bugs have several options with his projectiles, but 90% of the time it's bait. Be patient (not too patient, dodge dash is still a thing)

[rapid meadow]

That's true. It just doesn't help that he gets rocket and safe back faster than my patience allows lol.

[leaden oxide]

if ur playing jason theres nothing you can really do about it

other then playing perfect

[frozen silo]

Me when I’m trying to be patient and i see bugs down special

[charred crag]

Doesn't Jason have that stupid anti-projectile invulnerability?

[rapid meadow]

Does not work against strong projectiles. Weak projectiles remove the armor in 1 hit.

[gusty basin]

did bugs get a shadow nerf every single move has like a decade of endlag

[signal ginkgo]

Hy it can

[rough pulsar]

He's always been like that. You're supposed to bait something to punish.

But doge dash in jab and nair can work too.

[frozen silo]

just nair

[exotic nebula]

what are the best perk options for Bugs? just now learning to play him

also I'm really bad as him

[rough pulsar]

Coming through gives you an extra pop-up/starter option.

Lingering love takes a while to come out due to the startup animation, which makes it a tad too situational to be particularly useful.

But perks aside dodge dash and dodge jump is the most important thing to learn.

[frozen silo]

Flowchart into nair up air

Should get you to masters

[exotic nebula]

what does flowchart mean?

[frozen silo]

Step by step

Do 1 thing

[rough pulsar]

Attacks that seamlessly connect to each other.

Though they're not actually trying to help.

[frozen silo]

Most of bugs moves

Combo into nair up air

Or just up air in general

Most of the time your no getting a kill to the side

[rough pulsar]

Play Bugs, free yourself from IG body problems.

[frozen silo]

I have bugs masters

I have all the meta characters masters basically

[rough pulsar]

Then why be unhelpful

[frozen silo]

I’m not

Its true that most of bugs moves

Combo into nair up air

Down special is one of the best stage control options

You can use a bug to make safe with hole super hard to approach too

[rough pulsar]

@exotic nebula 👆🏿

[exotic nebula]

hm ok yeah I was using the floating heart perk

[topaz herald]

you tend to talk from the top in a way that's not easy to interpt for people who aren't already top tier players.

[deep walrus]

Well I heard that they need to update bugs because when I hit people the knock back makes it so they have 5 seconds to do a move😭

[frozen silo]

Lemme try it in a better way

Bugs best kill combo would have to be his neutral air (spin in air) into his up air (bat)

But bugs also has a lot of moves that can lead into that

For example

Jab (spin punch) up tilt (kick up) neutral air up air

[charred crag]

Oh lol why is bugs not labeled as a mage?

[charred crag]

Patch notes says

• That's Flammable is ded is now 1 second application instead of 3

BOGS BINNY GETS DYNAMITE AGAIN YESSS

[rough pulsar]

you will only have nair and you will like it, ass changes

Happy dynamite is back

[charred crag]

Acme is now a 10 sec cooldown

Neutral Smash
– Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Bugs Bunny

https://tenor.com/view/cry-cute-gif-10462372808073906726

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY

[rough pulsar]

Neutral attack visually hits behind him btw

[charred crag]

Ground Side Attack 1
– On-whiff cancel window delayed 4 frames
Ground Side Attack 2
– Hitbox size reduced so the attack is less likely to hit behind Bugs Bunny

They keep reducing bugs Bunny's hitbox

WHAT IS UP WITH THESE HITBOX NERFS 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

They buffed Kiss (Ground Side B) in an Ehhh way

[rough pulsar]

Besides neutral attack I don't mind the hitboxes being reduced.

It's that they up and double down on Bugs whiff lag. When it already lasted a lifetime.

[charred crag]

Rocket Propeller
This attack incorrectly broke armor

BROTHER, IT'S A PURPLE ATTACK

[rough pulsar]

Propeller not rocket

[charred crag]

Ahhh never mind, then hahahaha

[charred crag]

Whiff Lag is when you swing and the opponent successfully dodge it, right?

[rough pulsar]

It's how long your stuck after you miss an attack

Everyone and their mama can dodge cancel our of risk. Bugs just have to eat turds for it every time.

On top of the fact most normal other moves are already faster with more range. Even those hulking tanky characters are faster.

Don't get me wrong whiffs should be punishable, but not like an absolute layup everytime.

[charred crag]

Did I understand the "change"?

If bugs bunny whiffs Nair, falling becomes more floaty?

[rough pulsar]

Seems like it

[modern cloak]

bugs feels.. not good?? idk why

why does ground up air into neutral air not work anymore?

[rough pulsar]

He's feeling weird but I'm getting the hang of it

[topaz herald]

they reduced the hitsun of upsmash form the notes. it also sounds like bugs Foward air is safer

[worldly pagoda]

They returned Bugs tnt so now for the Meseeks Box and TV...

Also more items for safe

[foggy lake]

I completly forgot about those. I dont get why they'd remove em.

[worldly pagoda]

They probably want Bugs Bunny to be less unpredictable even though it was his gimmick outside of large projectiles in beta

I miss them since Bugs's items had risk and reward where Bugs can use a tool where no other fighter has access to (besides Shaggy with his Sandwich and Rick's own Meseeks) but the enemy can also use the items Bugs spawned against him (like killing him with his dynamite he spawned)

[foggy lake]

Well thats poopy.

[knotty hawk]

Honestly I used to admire buggs' design because he had an incredibly smooth flow of jab uptilt into nair or upair. Character feels awful now and can't combo into his main kill move even at 90%. Feels like an overnerf

Dynamite kills at good %s so thats nice to have back. You can also nair from uptilt just not at incredibly low %s but its much tighter now. He still feels incredibly clunky

[charred crag]

Is the Perks Trinity (Flammable, Pugilist, forgot what you call the increased speed one) still the best for bugs?

[charred crag]

I also think they wanted to reduce items in general. Bugs also used to have a Not-assist Trophy inside Acme and Safe

[modern cloak]

they massacrted my boy 💔

[topaz herald]

wait he can no longer nair to upair?

[charred crag]

He has to dodge-cancel since nair knockback is high

[topaz herald]

Okay

[charred crag]

How do you deal with joker again?

[charred crag]

Is Lingering love useful now? or should I still stick with Coming even though kiss is usable now?

[rough pulsar]

But I still prefer coming through, tunnel feels weird without the knock back (it just feels like it's supposed to be there)

I'm just happy that kiss isn't useless without the perk now.

[topaz herald]

if you throw out safe plan to punish jokers destruction of it rather than using the safe at all

also respect his combos and instead of trying to challange his upair dodge and get away

[oblique meteor]

Whatchall think of the new bugs patch

[teal ocean]

pain

but kiss is there now

[oblique meteor]

yeah it feels like nothing works now

now up tilt up air

nair up air is hard as hell to do

It's like they don't want bugs to be able to convert off of any hit he gits in

[charred crag]

https://tenor.com/view/pekora-holo-live-gif-9907681511641830540

reduced hitbox
p a i n

[oblique meteor]

yeah bugs bunny has been nerfed into the ground

[worldly pagoda]

They dynamite is the reason why I love Bugs Bunny now

It actively makes using his crouch passive useful than just a sandwich

[oblique meteor]

Bro they took away his up tilt nair combo

[gusty basin]

how do you make the nair go upwards

[rough pulsar]

There's literally no justification for nerfing the whiff lag on his normals, it was already really bad.

[oblique meteor]

They took that out. It's a sair now

[oblique meteor]

yeah I'd really love to know who's making these decisions and why

[charred crag]

I figured it out

They want to make sure Bugs won't be another casual filter like Ness

[oblique meteor]

"casual filter"?

Like a character that gatekeeps casuals?

[rough pulsar]

Wouldn't the changes make that worse?

[oblique meteor]

I'm still tryina figure out what a casual filter is in this context

[charred crag]

p much

like, I did use Ness as an example

PEE KAY FIYAH and ledge yoyo are is a particular nasty moves

if you actually know the finer details of the game, you'd know that Ness SideB can be DI-ed

so it's easy to get out of the combo

but casuals won't care for that

kind of the same deal with bugs bunny (if not worse, now that I think about the silly Safe Nair interaction prior patch)

[oblique meteor]

So you mean ness is oppressive if you're a casual

but not so much if you know what you're doing

[charred crag]

yep

[charred crag]

I am unironically considering Lingering love at this point since that seems to be the only move that could actually hit consistently

[mild nimbus]

Did yall notice they took Bugs utilt combos?

[rough pulsar]

Yes

[topaz herald]

Its not that hard

[topaz herald]

Up bcooldown works but besides that you have to read dodges but you can upb read or delay nair

But his ftilt ground bounce combos are much more important and fair is safer so using that to ground bounce combo

[mild nimbus]

And more rewarding

[topaz herald]

Up b rocket reads do great and bugs can juggle the two air dodges

Basically you delay for air dodge read and knock them up again with a nair and there in a bad position

[charred crag]

Bugs Bunny can't kill anymore ;w;

[topaz herald]

You can still get kills with up air but its not as early

[charred crag]

the combo is not the problem, ACTUALLY HITTING people is the problem

I was in a match with a Jason and Jason is the only one actually killing in our party

It also can't be the damage cause I also have the lowest damage contribution in the match

[topaz herald]

down air is pretty solid to hit people with and easy confirm into kill at 100%s

[charred crag]

that thing's hitbox also got nerfed too, my dude

otherwise, I'd be Dodge-cancel Dair all over the place too

the only good thing about Dair is it's still threatens a spike

or bounce UpAir

[topaz herald]

that's still seems decent

though my play has been limited and stuck to an arcade stick but i can still use dair pretty sucessfully

[charred crag]

btw are we allowed to post "leaks and datamines" here?

I tried checking the discord rules (CTRL F, basically) and I might have missed something

[charred crag]

Keyboard user here, and I'm still not sure if it's also optimal lel

[topaz herald]

not having the second analog stick for arials is killing me

[charred crag]

That's why you use the extra buttons :^)

[median leaf]

I love bugs bunny

[teal ocean]

real asf

[mild nimbus]

Bugs normals needs more Kill Power

[mild nimbus]

Does Bugs have any IAD combos

[charred crag]

I might be stupid so don't quote me on this

but Bugs I think doesn't need it?

the only thing I could think of is Ground UpSmash IAD up UpAir

or Rocket IAD Upair

cause linking his ground moves to upsmash is already enough

[signal ginkgo]

Any bugs players active?

[topaz herald]

My controller broke so i haven’t been playing much latley cause of it

[oblique meteor]

I play bugs just about every other day

[charred crag]

me, kinda

[oblique meteor]

my bugs b cookin despite being nerfed to the ground

[leaden oxide]

games poop

[oblique meteor]

straight doodoo

[oblique meteor]

man they keep nerfing bugs

but his kit really is so fun

[median leaf]

My bugs level 10

[charred crag]

Guys!

O M G, THEY BUFFED PIE /s

Air/Ground Down Attack (Pie)

• Pie projectile is no longer broken by enemy melee attacks that otherwise would not normally destroy projectiles

• Fixed an issue where the pie would be destroyed after being melee attacked by an ally under certain conditions

[oblique meteor]

WHAT

Eh the buff is a bit lackluster

Just hype that they decided to actually buff bugs lol

[rough pulsar]

It's practically a bug fix, it might as well be.

[oblique meteor]

right, my standards are jus mad low at this point

[rough pulsar]

I wish pie had freeze

[cursive forge]

Would make a decent bugs perk.

[oblique meteor]

You can spike with pie now

[charred crag]

do you guys use Stronger than Ever perk nowadays? a lot of my 2s-mate are asking me to consider it

[rough pulsar]

Kinda depends on my teammates team perks, and who they're playing.

Like an IG player that goes all in on a damage build like they're not gonna get ganged on the second they spawn.

[fossil meadow]

Il be serious

This character feels really skilled and balanced

I'm so happy to see this

Like they gave him every tool you need to use him as an skill character

Set ups, reads and 50/50s

They changed the character from braindead to skill

I love it

Appreciate every Bugs player

Mad respect

[rough pulsar]

The extra endlag on ground attacks was a bit much

[cursive forge]

I do like the tools given. It reminds me of the old cartoons (merry melodies and looney tunes) I grew up with. I love reenacting the crazy gigs like using the burrowing hole to watch others try and "whack-a-mole" forgetting about the falling acme rocket 🚀 😳 😅

[oblique meteor]

They took bugs combos away, not happy

[rough pulsar]

If theres a perk to replace safe and rocket with a more damaging aimable version of pie on neutral special.

I'd be so happy, I love buffed pie rn

[mild nimbus]

Why would you do that.

[hearty crypt]

My beta secondary

[rough pulsar]

Instant access to pie in the air and never losing serial down attack. Also being able to aim pies would be pretty strong.

And

Tbh ground down attack not being a low or a splash attack still is a little weird to me.

Also high-key think the Giant Rocket is Wile territory.

[oblique meteor]

Yeah no diddy tho

[mild nimbus]

How to beat Arya as Bugs?

[oblique meteor]

Focus on baiting her using your normals

and punish with your normals

Set up projectiles when at a safe range and keep them as active as possible while prioritizing using your normals to continue whiff punishing

And never overextend i.e. do not try to combo what you're not sure is a true combp

you'll miss and get punished, probably very hard

[desert locust]

Hey guys, what are some combos to pull off on bugs?

His dair into nair feels sorta sluggish or at least more strict on stringing the hits together

[rough pulsar]

Honestly I don't know, Bugs is legit more Sluggish

In a game where most don't have to commit to anything.

[desert locust]

Yea he kinda doesn't feel as smooth as he did when I first got back into the full game

[rough pulsar]

They added more recovery/whiff lag to his moves.

Nair is super unsafe too, I get that a wide multi hitting move is strong. But like everything else was already bad.

There's a lot of momentum, cancels, whiff cancelling and Bugs just don't have that. He just feels like he's in molasses.

[desert locust]

Yea and it's weird considering that he is light af. Atp, I might abandon him got Marvin

Marvin is probably mid at best but he feels nice to me

[rough pulsar]

I felt like I was going crazy, but yeah I'm genuinely getting more success with Marvin.

[unreal hollow]

Aint no way yall are claiming Marvin is better than bugs

[topaz herald]

replacing rocket would be not just a nerf but make him no longer fun.

[topaz herald]

he has good momentum with air dash canceling dairs

[mild nimbus]

Would yall give Bugs more combos now?

[rough pulsar]

Disagree

Rocket is fun....

But I also think having a multi directional pie from anywhere, with neutral special would be fun too.

[topaz herald]

uprocket is one of the best projectiles in the game, anything that would get rid of it couldn't be nearly as good as the rocket

[rough pulsar]

I'd like the option nonetheless

[topaz herald]

i think there could be a way to have it without taking other options from him

[charred crag]

• (Shorthop/IAD/near ground) Dair->Nair->Upsmash
• Dair->UpAir
  The rest are filled with 50-50 resets where you need to have a good fundamentals like conditioning, knowing your advantage/disadvantage

but yeah, bogs binny doesn't have a lot of combos right now because people keeps complaining about him while leaving Shaggy and Jom and Terry intact

[desert locust]

Unfortunate. Idk why bugs is just pretty much nerfed to the ground

[desert locust]

IAD?

[topaz herald]

instant air dash, basically you can cancel your air dashes with moves and this is a great way to use dair

[coarse geyser]

Because raven is bugged in shield play i went back on bugs and jeez he feels way more sluggish since i last played him in the beginning of season 3 such a shame they ruin a cool character like this i hope they bring back beta bugs frame data when we get better active defense and manual teching 🙏

[oblique meteor]

Marvin feels busted to me vs Bugs. Marvin full counter's bugs, I wouldn't be surprised if marvin can oppress the rest of the cast too

I'm bouta to switch to rivals of aether 2 frfr

[desert locust]

Rivals 2 is great from what I've seen and I kinda wanna get it but I'm on console unfortunately

I trier rivals 1

Good game but damn sweaty people

[desert locust]

How'd you pull it off?

Aren't air dashes pretty quick?

[topaz herald]

i would recomend trying it in practice but you have plenty of time to input a jump or attack during your dodge

[topaz herald]

for me the roughest thing is his priority, his normals lose to pretty much everyone else

[desert locust]

So is it basically a neutral dodge then you input another command?

[topaz herald]

you can dodge in any direction and cancel it with commands. canceling air dodges towards the other person with a Dair is a very good whiff punish

[coarse geyser]

sad times for such a amazing character

[signal ginkgo]

Yo yo yo

New bugs tech

But it’s with stripe

I sent it in #clips to

[cursive forge]

Wow that's crazy

[leaden oxide]

roa 2 is goated

if u like bugs you will prob like orcane

[leaden oxide]

nvm no more orcane

[rough pulsar]

Honestly I don't play Bugs for his moveset, I just think rabbits are neat. (Might legit drop him if they add another bunny ngl)

[ashen geode]

I play bugs cause I like bugs and don't really care for the other characters I have unlocked

[rough pulsar]

I like Bugs too I just wish they weren't forcing him into being 'a one trick pony' I want there to be more expression.

[oblique meteor]

Yeah nah I don't even like orcane as a concept

Yeah I play bugs cuz I like bugs and his kit is fun. But they have def been narrowing the scope of his gameplan

[stuck cipher]

Buggs is super strong and has nothing that whiffs everything he does can confirm or has a confirmed combo. Not to mention his Neutral air is his best move that stun locks for super long

[charred crag]

RIP in peace silly sea lion

[charred crag]

Same tbh. the last time I got a bit excited for a character revela was PPG and even then, I'm not too happy cause I'm happy already with bugs

Bugs is also the reason why I like rabbits tbh

[tribal bay]

Can we make the propeller purple attack again!

[stuck cipher]

For what he already has one of the best move sets in the game

He can pop out of a tunnel that he is untouchable when in. When he pops out he can do an explosion into his confirmed up bat. If he gets any more purple attack might as well make him the only character in the game cause then he will never be beaten

[rough pulsar]

It was just the multi hit that ate up armor.

Most of the people that claimed propeller was an armor breaker got confused because they used the purple team color.

Unless that was a thing in beta?