Batman

[wintry inlet]

They had such a good thing going. People loved the beta. Pfg's fault for not balancing appropriately

[loud sky]

it was but not as much as they say

[green bay]

There is always balance problems, the thing is how you're gonna act about them.

[wintry inlet]

Yeah they definitely reacted in the worst way lol

[loud sky]

they always overreact

[wintry inlet]

No interesting FG will ever be balanced

[green bay]

But the fact they did nothing for the 1st patch when there is a bunch of characters playing their own game, and not talking about balance at all afterward, I don't like that

[wintry inlet]

Otherwise it would be boring af

[loud sky]

thats why if they touch batman they will overreact like i say

u seen it already

[wintry inlet]

No one wants to play a game that doesn't allow for variety

[loud sky]

ive seen cool stripe stuff

cool finn stuff

but the characters arent broken enough

[green bay]

Yea I don't mind having top tiers/low tiers. I want a healthy meta overall, clear counterplay for everything and all

And imo, there is characters archetypes that should NEVER be allowed to be top tier, and that's normal

[loud sky]

garnet should be able to stop rocket imo

they remove the heavy projectile label

so u have to guess what u can compete with

which is funny

[green bay]

Heavy projectile is not a thing anymore ??

[loud sky]

it is but has no label

[green bay]

ah I see

[loud sky]

u cant parry rocket

imo u should be able to parry everything

[green bay]

Shazam can have a zone that stay for I dont know how long that block everything. Our 5s smoke can't even protect us from heavy proj lol

dawg

[loud sky]

thats how u create counterplay

[loud sky]

fax still get hit through smoke sometimes too

[loud sky]

BA shield last OD long

[green bay]

I said shazam hmmm

dunno why lol

This is a thing I don't like about Batman, the smoke and grapple have SO MUCH potential

but no, they kinda weak and underwhelming

I would like for them to have more clea uses, even if its niche.
Like I would love for "grapple dash" to be fully projectile invincible if you shot it from the smoke

Like it would extend the proj immunity from the smoke til the end of the grapple animation

That would be so sick

For 5s we could force zoner to respect the situation and we could use that to just dash out of the smoke or something

[loud sky]

Not even bro jus give us old smoke

The weaken proc inconsistent

And give us movement speed out of smoke

Like before

They say smoke increases “dodge meter recovery” but the speed increase is barely noticeable

[green bay]

weaken proc in smoke is bad yes

Just remove that

[loud sky]

Remove what?

[green bay]

The weaken stacks while in the smoke, just replace that by anything else really

[green bay]

It doesn't "increases" since you don't have passive meter gain. So it gives us the ability to get some back without hitting/being hit

But the rate is trash

You gain like between 1.5/2 bar if you stay all the way

like ok

whatever

[loud sky]

Bro weaken is fine if it triggered on every hit I would be happy

But at least

Give us our speed back

It gave us some stage control and allowed us to switch up our approach

Speed in smoke along with sair2 was beautiful

[green bay]

No its not, why would we need weaken stack in a small zone lasting 5s. I'm the opponent, I just stall for 5s in the opposite corner

[loud sky]

Edge guard

I should’ve clipped it

[green bay]

Yes, that's it

[loud sky]

I put smoke on edge and then slide and it did double weaken which was beautiful

[green bay]

I would gladly replace that by anything else for smoke to have proper uses

[loud sky]

They don’t need to remove anything

They light as well just add

Cause smoke in general is mid

[green bay]

Dunno, I let them make the choice I guess. But give smoke something else. Even if it's perk related

The overhand move when batarang is on CD, what the hell is it supposed to do ?

It achieves nothing but giving the opponent a punish opportunity if you tried to batarang and didn't see you were on CD lmao

I tried to find some uses for it, I was sure there was something the move was good at

Nothing man

Its pretty slow, not cancelable (or the cancel window is pretty late, don't remember exactly)

Low damages, no kill potential

what was the intent behind this move lol

mea culpa, it's cancelable

it's been some time I didn't lab the move

but since hitstun is that low there is not a lot we can do after

[wintry inlet]

Boost jump out of smoke was beautiful

Smoke is useless now. Grapple is a gimmick

Sair used to be so good because of boost jump. Now it's just bad

[loud sky]

Grapple cancel usually baits out and makes enemy waste dodge. And then could neutral ur opponent into burnout

Most of these combo routes that are not “true” become very useful and important to know in burnout

Which is why u should practice them anyways

[remote crescent]

i had something weird happen in a game last night where a batarang that i threw from smoke was immune to projectiles. cant remember if it broke the projectile or if it just went through. maybe something we can test, could have its uses

[green bay]

Never experienced that, can you remember more specific things about how that happened ?

[green bay]

I toyed with anti-projectiles perks for a while. The one giving 1s armor is honestly cracked if your parry game is on point, but won't work for certain type of projectiles (probably the same as the one I'll mentionned below)
The "shield while running" one is obviously a very ok and easy to use one. Already the default choice of many players wanting to manage zoners better, and for a reason.

But man the one reflecting the projectiles on parry, this is too bad cause it has the most potential but fall short for sad reasons:

1. Some characters have their projectile just denying the effect entirely (ex: 's arrows and Joker cards except the one sticking to you. The boomerang one is not parryable I think (?), didn't test for too long, and the "triple cards" are but you'll still get hit because multihit lol)

2. If it does works, the projectile won't travel more than it would originally have. If you're at 70% of the max range of a projectile and reflect it, the projectile will travel back for the remaining 30% only, it will not be considered a new projectile. Which is sad.
   Guess who get to not benefit from that rule ? Characters like low tier Velma with her projectiles without max range (or at least a veryyy long range), and of course Batman for whom the reflected batarang will follow you back like a normal one, except its gonna hurt if it touches you

[remote crescent]

its possible i was mistaken. shouldve clipped it. but i will if i run into it again

[empty wren]

Does anyone know why jab jab batarang isn't working for me? It's true, right?

@remote crescent

[remote crescent]

it drops if the opponent DIs away from you

[empty wren]

Oh I see

Does jab 1 batarang always work?

@remote crescent

[remote crescent]

i do believe jab 1 batarang is true if they DI away

[loud sky]

I’ve gotten some crazy clips with it ngl lol

It’s only useless against characters with crazy side moves like BG and WW

besides that it’s just a decent combo extender when your opponent is in burnout

[smoky radish]

Got clips to post? I hear you keep evolving in your Batman gameplay. The character looks really fun but I don't see many clips of pros using him

[shadow thicket]

hate fighting gizmo as batman bro almost geeked out

[granite kiln]

Hate fighting Gizmo

[whole stag]

Me too

[granite kiln]

Marvin The Martian

[whole stag]

That’s right folks!!! I main batman

[green bay]

If you have practical uses you found and can demonstrate it I would be happy to hear it, cause the move lowkey looks cool.
So far my time toying with this in the lab ended with nothing interesting, it doesn't create any interesting situations, deal hella low damages, no combo potential, nothing. There is not a single situation I found where I would use this instead of another move.

[marble sparrow]

ive played batman so much my abilities with other characters have declined bro imma have to retire him rq

[loud sky]

I only use it in certain matchups to trade or to juggle my opponent in burnout. Sometimes I luckily get a string off of it. And kill. It’s one of those moves u throw out cause there’s no other move u can do in the scenario. Def cope

[remote crescent]

people are so reckless with their dodge meter in this game. id say a majority of my stocks taken on people are just from them burning themselves out. been using alot more grappling hooks in the neutral to make tax them even more

im very stingy with my dodge meter

[loud sky]

Some twitch clips and YouTube

[remote crescent]

damn the morty matchup feels impossible for me. any tips?

[loud sky]

no tips that shi impossible🤣🤣🤣

[remote crescent]

is he just slept on right now or something? feels so much worse than most of the top tiers. except maybe gizmo

[loud sky]

its just our matchup

projectile overload is op

alot of charcters in the high tier can either loop him or play around him

thats why u dont hear much complain

cause majority of people meta slave

[remote crescent]

would you say thats the worst matchup? him and gizmo are really the only characters ive felt helpless against

[empty wren]

https://twitter.com/GidyTheGreat/status/1801130097128157190

[remote crescent]

ive been messing around with setting up batarang to circle around yourself and i feel it can be very strong off stage in combination with down special. if timed right it will catch their dodge attempt if they dodge up or away with the down special covering most other options

nice clip

something is up with the hitbox on the divekick though. ive had quite a few instances of it just completely going through opponents sitting on the ledge

[last perch]

does batman have a loop or any real combos at all?

[wintry inlet]

No loop
Slide > dair > uair/up special
Jab 12 > dtilt > slide > dair > uair at low %

Batarang > dair > uair/up special

[green bay]

This is my issue, you're talking about juggling situations, ok. But I didn't find anything that would justify using batarangless nair rather than side air. Side air is a 13 or 14 frames option iirc, batarangless nair is 20/21f ! For 4 damages only, and I can't find a way to juggle afterward

Their hitboxes are somewhat similar, nair going slightly more upward but if I were to hit with this part I would rather use upair or upb

The only thing that couuuuuld potentially justify using nair is that it make you stall in the air during the animation, side air doesn't

So if you have your opponent near a side blastzone and try to push him out, you could be in a situation where doing sair would make you miss, and upair/upb would not kill. Which let batarangless nair being a justified option in that scenario

Which is why if there is really something I'm missing about this move, I would like a video demonstrating it.

On another note, patch coming soon. It's maybe time 🙏

[loud sky]

Maintanence rn

Jus got kicked out

I upspecial someone for game and got kicked out 😂

[loud sky]

Yep baterang control circling yourself been important to learn since beta

That’s why I use bouncerang perk

[loud sky]

It’s not that great I’ve jus had rare uses also sometimes I feel it’s better keep away than side air cause I can hit u without moving forward to much allowing me to keep my spacing. Even though it’s trash it’s not the most useless dodge read follow up move

And yea it usually follow-up into upspecial

I think I landed it at low percent into downtilt as true but I can’t remember

[green bay]

Yes, this is a possible string

You need to be close to the opponent and at very low % but it does works yes

But yea, this move is too trash, I wish we had a unique move that achieve something we can't do with the rest of our moveset

Or at least if they are not willing to rework the move entierely, make it apply a status effect. Easy fix

I would ask for weakened but that would maybe be too strong lol

[clever pollen]

Odds of Batman getting a buff?

[green bay]

but something else would be nice

[green bay]

Probably not, they said they wanted to focus on balance for the next update

[loud sky]

If they make a move without baterang good ima throw away baterang just be happy we have a move honestly

[green bay]

But they will adress gameplay loops from what they said

[loud sky]

Bro BUGS

WW

HARLEY

Once they get gutted

We will rise

[green bay]

Like I said, the only thing this make me do is mistakes. Like sometime I dont see Im on CD and try to throw it, and it just open me up 😂

In that state, I would rather have nothing than this move

[loud sky]

Nah I be accidentally throwing it out and it be working😂😂 I be like damn ion mind

[green bay]

Glad you enjoy it, I sure don't 😭

It def need a buff

imo

[loud sky]

Bro I hate the fact that I’m use to this camera if they bring back the old one I’m not sure I will switch

I wish I never got use to it

[green bay]

They will never bring back the old one, at least not as a default option

I think just slightly zooming out is enough

[loud sky]

Gizmo and Morty we don’t even have a chance

[green bay]

I would like for the camera to always show what is on stage, like Jerry, projectiles etc...

But maybe its asking for too much

Or maybe they just don't want that

[green bay]

I've yet to face a Morty

I have not a single idea how the MU is

https://multiversus.com/en/news/1-02-patch-notes

PATCHNOTE

They gutted Guizmo

God is good

[loud sky]

LETS GOOOO

[clever pollen]

God is great

[green bay]

Harley too

Patch seems great, even if the real balance update will be the next one

[clever pollen]

Aside from some nerfs, this patch is kinda cheeks

I expected more QoL features

[clever pollen]

I hope it wont take another week...

This patch will definitely help Batman

[green bay]

Yea they sure are taking their time. I can understand that but I fear for the playerbase

Fortunately, they have always been good for bringing back players through their communication of new characters and such

so we'll see

[loud sky]

HARLEY LEG HURTBOX ON SLIDE INCREASED

CAN WE PUNCH HER NOW???

😭😭😭

I think that’s for low profiling everything

Our only impossible matchup now is honestly morty and maybe Rick

[green bay]

It has to be that, otherwise they do not understand their own game

[quartz grove]

When is Batman gonna get more skins and Batman feel slow and clunky and it feel like Wonder Woman has smoother movements then Batman

[empty wren]

https://x.com/GidyTheGreat/status/1801320589967122657?t=ChM6tzYttVcQPSv3PKStpg&s=19

[remote crescent]

id love to test but i havent ran into a single harley in the 15 matches or so i just played. just like that they all disappeared

[loud sky]

lol bro stay sending baterang clips😂

[remote crescent]

how did you get that sweetspot of it perfectly circling you? gotta be someway to set it up consistantly

[loud sky]

Bro throw out baterang jump over it and control it

I can’t really explain it, you jus get good at it

Constantly evade it

[wintry inlet]

I use it alot... on accident

[remote crescent]

when you have it circle you in the "sweetspot" it should just circle you indefinitely barring any fast movements

ive had it happen a couple times but im wondering if theres an efficent way we can set it up to edge guard with

[loud sky]

Idk it’s cool but not new tech we’ve been doing that since beta it was just easier cause baterang was faster

[loud sky]

You should just adjust to situation

Sometimes I put myself in bad situations so that baterang can punish them

U throw it and got off ledge with air down special

And control it to cover all options

[remote crescent]

yeah ive just been throwing it out over the edge and commit to a divekick which the batarang swings down from above and covers their dodge

something i need to work more on for sure

[loud sky]

https://youtu.be/sRLzotPY6wk?feature=shared

I did this last night to a WW

😭😭

My dodge reads were on point

@wintry inlet @green bay

This what I’m talking about dodge reads

[empty wren]

When I throw it at them and it whiff I airdodge in to it so I don't catch it then it follows me

[loud sky]

Thank for the better explanation

If they dodge it the first time or u whiff it , you don’t have to air dodge u can jump over or even upspecial to get out the way and the approach them with a bail out tracing you

[green bay]

You have that dog in you 💯

It feels so good to have these games where you just steamroll your opponent, reads after reads

chef kiss

[loud sky]

Fax

Charging the side air to wait out the dodge

Feel amazing

[green bay]

Yea, I feel like Batman is a lot about that now. Since he doesn't get a lot of strong combos in the air and all, but still have a lot of strong aerial options

it's all about getting them reads

float help a lot with that too, being able to stall in the air to wait for a defensive option

and being able to punish it

[loud sky]

I tried telling @wintry inlet but if it’s not a true combo he tight😂😂

True combo dont matter too much if u can close every option and force 50/50s

Batman can stick to a character like glue and wait for every option since he has best movement in the game

[remote crescent]

whats the gameplan when WW has her armor up and stays in the air? we just gotta wait it out?

[loud sky]

Yep

Or waste baterang in neutral

[green bay]

I do think that having solid combos is important, especially when you don't have the privilege to have pristine neutral options. Having the most out of your openings is definitely important and having true strings matters.
But Batman definitely thrive a lot of these advantage situations, especially after mid% where he doesn't get a lot of inteersting combos anyway. That's definitely where you'll want to have strings leading to 50/50 situations

I guess Batman became a mixup character without us knowing ? 🤯

[loud sky]

lol he been a mixup ever since baterang cooldown got nerfed

Also once people learn matchup they will learn that u can fight and trade with me in a lot of these scenarios so then I bait out moves and cancel

[green bay]

Maybe, that's arguable

[green bay]

I clench my fist everytime I'm against someone that will always try to reverse the situation. Like the ones that will never stop even after being punish 5 times in a row for it

like PLEASE stop pressing buttons lmao, do it for yourself

The Joker/WW I face love to do that so much. These players so used to dominate the situation, they refuse to be forced into a defensive option and will just always try to attack in disadvantage 😂

[loud sky]

I mean when they fight out of my strings that shi be workkn

Sometimes it’s better to fight back than dodge even as Batman

Spam upercut when ur in a string by joker or WW

I be trading with her side air instead of dying sometimes

[green bay]

Every options are good options, its about mixing them up

But when they are put in disadvantage and will always try to get out of it by attacking, start to get punish for it and never stop...

[wintry inlet]

That's cool bro but it's still important to know your guaranteed combos

[loud sky]

When I play a good player and they fight back instead of dodging it catches me off guard when I’m going for dodge read

[loud sky]

Ofc we got a lil guaranteed but everyone got combo nerfed except Batman fr

WW still got 2 loops

[wintry inlet]

That's specifically what I'm looking for. I can string stuff together and pick reads to extend just fine

[green bay]

Yes, maybe the 1st couple times. Afterward if they continue and you still dont punish, that's deserved at that point lol

[loud sky]

Nah they mix it up

[green bay]

so that's fine

[loud sky]

They dodge sometimes and they fight back that’s how u don’t get juggled and waste ur air dodges early

[green bay]

yes but this is normal behavior lol

[loud sky]

Ik

It just effects me when I play chars like joker who can override everything I do sometimes

[green bay]

Yea it's frustrating when you know what is coming but still have to respect because its just that hard to contest

[loud sky]

No more jab loop joker prepare for them to lab up some bs

[loud sky]

Life of Batman

We have to deal with bs moves and accept it. Everyone else fights us like normal besides our slide

[wintry inlet]

Nice one.I know what you mean. That's plat fighter 101 lol. Saw a few missed opportunities for guaranteed damage there

[green bay]

I really hope next patch, which should be the main balance patch, will make things good on that aspect

[green bay]

There was misses opportunities but tbf I miss the optimal play a lot of times still lol

It's not easy honestly to get the muscle memory there

[wintry inlet]

Yeah I'm a stickler for optimal punishes lol

That's why I like to know my true combos

And extend from there

[green bay]

I wish I could add stuff like that quickly on my gameplay. I'm more used to traditional fighting game on that aspect, when it comes to platform fighters I have to do a lot of repetitions to get there

[wintry inlet]

Well those habits come from my traditional fg background

I used to play alot of sf/mvc3/tekken

[green bay]

of course you're an mvc player

[wintry inlet]

😅

Also heaps of smash

[green bay]

I can pick up things somewhat quickly on game like SF (the serie I mostly play) , but platformer ?

[wintry inlet]

It's a thing of beauty winning neutral and going for the optimal punish

[green bay]

My instincts take over all the time lol

[green bay]

💯

[wintry inlet]

Ah yeah it's similar but plat fighters Def harder imo

You have to take into account alot more variables and options from your opponent

[remote crescent]

nahhhh

than tekken?

guess the execution barrier has dropped alot in the newest release tbf

[green bay]

Yea, I see a lot of people from the FGC that will make fun of you when yuo say platform fighters are way harder the more high level you go

But man they just don't know

[green bay]

It's not only about execution, it's also a LOT about variety of situations

[remote crescent]

i still think thats incorrect. characters can have hundreds of moves lol

[green bay]

For me nothing come close to platform fighter on that aspect

[remote crescent]

although tekken has been trying to bridge the gap with power crush and homing moves

[green bay]

Honestly it's arguable

I give you that

[wintry inlet]

True. Tekken execution is easier imo. But learning the matchups is like a science

[wintry inlet]

You are definitely correct lol

You can know your character inside and out, but if you don't know the other characters just as well, you're trash

[winter fern]

what is a really good combo for batman to get top ringouts?

[wintry inlet]

Slide > up special / jabs > up special at kill %

[winter fern]

thanks

[green bay]

I'm pretty sure it's better to use jab 3 rather than upb

You'll kill earlier from jab3

[green bay]

Maybe, about Tekken I could see that being correct but I do think it's not that simple to compare the complexity of platform fighters as a whole and Tekken

I've seen platform fighters players become high/top level players for 2D/3D fighting game

I've never seen the opposite lol (and not even in a close way)

(and even tho I know it can be link to many reasons)

[remote crescent]

thats a fair point. cant say ive seen any myself either

[wintry inlet]

I'm singling out specifically tekken here. Only because of the sheer amount of match up knowledge you need to know to be competitive in that game. There's no other game like it

[loud sky]

That’s what makes tekken beautiful

BRO SUPERMAN HAS A CONSISTENT 0 TO DEATH BROOO

WTH

Y NO ONE TALKING ABOUT IT??

[green bay]

I'm not aware of Supe having a 0 to death

I know he has a string that corner carry you and if he get a read afterward (side b or fair one of the two) he can kill you I think ? Like maybe on a bad DI or something

But I don't think he has an actual 0 to death

[green bay]

Tekken is a nightmare to learn yes

[primal thicket]

best down air in the game

[green bay]

Joker exist

But Batman does have a good dair

[primal thicket]

I think it's better than joker

[green bay]

Joker dair is faster, chargeable, can lead to ladder combo (which can lead into a kill), has less endlag, and the same damages as Batman dair

I have not a single doubt Joker dair achieve way more than Batman's one

To stay fair, Batman dair does have a slightly larger hitbox

Forgot that Joker keep his aerial mobility during dair, while Batman is heavily slowed

[granite kiln]

Joker's has more combo potential and a stronger spike but it's hitbox is SO narrow

[green bay]

Because he get to keep a good aerial mobility

It would be twice as cracked as it is if it was any bigger lol

I explored so much of multiple characters (especially Batman and current strong characters), I'm a freakin boring encyclopedia 🤓

[granite kiln]

Well I never said it was BAD

[green bay]

I know I know, but I had to explain why it's justified being that way

[regal portal]

Most annoying 1v1 character

[loud sky]

Skill issue

[remote crescent]

we really forgot about harley??

[loud sky]

Tell me why I pick up Superman and start looping infinite and zero to death every game

Life feels so fun

For the first time

[wintry inlet]

What's the loop?

[green bay]

I don't think he's talking about real infinite per se

But Superman, in addition to being really easy to pick up

He's demolishing bad DIs and panic options

He's like the Marisa of this game, being an absolute noob crushers, and I guess that's what is happening for Kuro lol

You can have "infinite" if your opponent just have no idea what he's doing

[wintry inlet]

I'm so confused when people use the term infinite for stuff that isnt

If your opponent can get out, it's not an infinite

[green bay]

I mean I get it, if you keep matching against players that will constantly eat those strings

I can see how you would think those are "infinites" 😂

But I'm fairly confident Supe has none of them

[wintry inlet]

Ok good to know

[green bay]

I've started abusing more of grapple as a way to burn the opponent's dodge meter

It's mad good

This is the way you were right @loud sky @remote crescent

[loud sky]

Bro jab12 dtilt dodge cancel repeat

Zero to death is loop on edge into nair sair

On light characters sair kills

If heavier need dodge read

[loud sky]

Innovator

[loud sky]

Bro I got matched against a good Supe that zero to death and looped me every stock and decided to try it bro

[green bay]

Uncle touflou took a look

I mean, I already knew it was not an infinite nor touch of death

But I wanted to look at the counterplays, a simple DI in prevent superman from pushing you to the corner

That forces him to side switch, and that's considering he had the read cause from the short time I tested it

It seems do be a DI mixup

I have a doubt about DI up preventing the loop as a whole but didnt check

Didn't test the nair stuff, just tried quickly. I have also heavy doubt about that being a true string after dtilt or even jab 2

[green bay]

Yea you can definitely easily deny the loop by DI mixing, I guess you instinctivily just kept Di'ing away and that didn't help you

Like I said, Superman thrive on matchup ignorance

Once your DI game is on point, you're gonna steamroll them dw 👍

[wintry inlet]

Di ruins everything in this game

Jab 12 > dtilt > slide didn't work for me at all today

Even scrubs could DI it

Sad

This is at 0% too

[ebon thunder]

Is that real?

[green bay]

An opponent who doesn't DI away by default (if at all) is good news to me lol

[green bay]

on DI away

[ebon thunder]

Ahh

Good to know

I am just doing jab 12>up tilt>down air if i can get it

[green bay]

This is true in none of the worlds of the multiverse

[ebon thunder]

Maybe the downair isnt but the rest is

[green bay]

The downair isn't

But yea uptilt is of course 👍

[ebon thunder]

Hmm i thought i ve seen it somewhere

[ebon thunder]

Ok thx 👍

[green bay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF1nxqgsj7w

Nothing too fancy but I've made a short compilation of things you can do at low%

I'm working on a more in-depth guide for combo routes and setups at low/mid/high %. That may or may not be finalized lol but I'm trying

Oh and everything is showcased for DI away only ! On other Di you have plenty of other stuff possible but since DI away is often the hardest to get followups I wanted to focus on that

(also the most common DI people do)

[ebon thunder]

Omg it makes sense now

Im in the wrong forking channel

[ebon thunder]

This is really cool tho i also play batman

[ebon thunder]

Nice im subbing

[green bay]

😂 who do you play alongside Batman ?

And thanks for subbing

[ebon thunder]

Black adam😅

[green bay]

aaah this make sense for your combo then lol

[wintry inlet]

Black Adam had some nice jab combos. Not sure how he'll be after next patch with the jab nerfs

[wintry inlet]

I just couldn't get it aye. They get sent up too high from dtilt even at low %

In training it works yeah

[ebon thunder]

Jab12 into aerial isnt true anymore : ( (even down special what was really cool)

[wintry inlet]

Bruh lol

Poor Adam

[green bay]

Yes, but then you can followup with another jabs, maybe even dair I should test

[wintry inlet]

Jab 12 > dair was clean

[ebon thunder]

Fr

[wintry inlet]

Nah dair is too slow after jab 12

[wintry inlet]

I tried to like Adam, but he struggles in neutral in 1v1

Dair is like his best/only approach

[green bay]

I'm talking about dtilt. If the slide don't connect it means they don't DI away

So they probably Di inward

With this arc you could get a dair, at least a fair

[wintry inlet]

Yeah give it a shot

[green bay]

Dair must miss by like 1F dang

But you do get fair 1 > fair 2

fair 1 > upair maybe, but its hard to tell the bot tend to not want to dodge after fair 1 hitstun

for some reasons

[ebon thunder]

Is there a way to make the trainingbot DI away?

[green bay]

The dodge behavior also make the bot Di in said direction

so you setup it to "dodge away after hitstun" in your case

[ebon thunder]

Ahh right i totally forgot

I wish there was a dropdown for that

[green bay]

this compete for worst training mode in any fighting game

[remote crescent]

it also only works at very low percents. but it is definitely worth knowing for anyone here

finally played against a decent stripe and i was kinda lost in the matchup. his move where he explodes and uses himself as a projectile was giving me alot of trouble if anyone has some advice against that. i tried to parry but the move is surprisingly fast

i took game one off of them, and was nice enough to give a runback. they won game two and left 🙃

[wintry inlet]

Doesn't work at 0% if they DI correctly. Tried multiple times today.

[remote crescent]

pretty sure its only DI up that gets them out of it at low percents but i will test real quick

[wintry inlet]

Works fine in training, but I couldn't pull it off vs player

[remote crescent]

ive landed it quite a few times on players but its hard to tell if it was a true combo or if the player just didnt dodge in time

and it seems to catch towards DI and away DI. when set to just "dodge after hitstun" the combo drops and im assuming thats just with the bot not using DI at all

[wintry inlet]

I'm hesitant to call it true. I was fishing for it during my whole play session and it didn't work out

Hitstun in this game is pretty dodgy in my experience

[green bay]

on DI away I can certify that slide connects, training mode or real player

[green bay]

all other DI prevent the slide from connecting

Ok I realized something

[wintry inlet]

Might be because i started the combo with slide > dodge > jab12

[green bay]

The weight of a character matters for the string

[shadow thicket]

I finally beat gizmos yesterday it was the greatest matches ive ever played

[green bay]

On more heavyweight chars the combo works easily

It DOES works on more lightweight char, but the execution is different

[wintry inlet]

Makes sense

With slide starter?

[green bay]

1st, you need to dodge cancel after dtilt

you can't just cancel dtilt by slide on lighter character like Bugs or Batman

[wintry inlet]

Yeah I do that

[green bay]

And there is a specific timing to have

Like you can't just dodge and cancel by slide asap

[wintry inlet]

Yeah, but I find they end up too high after dtilt that they can dodge before slide hitbox even has a chance to connect

[green bay]

If they are clearly higher, like you can visually see the slide wouldn"t connect no matter what

It's not a DI away 100%

[wintry inlet]

Yeah I figured

[green bay]

To be sure it wasn't an issue with training mode, I even tested that in local game

I setup a 2nd controller to hold a certain direction

It works the same

like the DI away is the same

[wintry inlet]

I'll go for it for lolz but I wouldn't try it on a good player

[green bay]

But I can now even test DI up and down, which is cool

something you can't DI with current training mode lol

[wintry inlet]

I heard slide > divekick is true

[green bay]

I think it is yes

[wintry inlet]

That might open up something

Slide > divekick > dair?

[green bay]

I don't remember why, but there is a reason I dropped this string

Will check

[wintry inlet]

Ok

[green bay]

Ah yes, I remember why. It's not that I dropped it, but I had trouble finding if it was true or not cause it SEEMED fake on jump cancel, but is definitely true if you cancel dodge diagonally up/forward and do it close to the ground, but in that case it leads to nothing

I guess I'll be able to test that more properly with my 2nd controller

[loud sky]

Not playing top dog till the last day

I’m not ever gonna experience someone in my group having 110,000 points ever again

I grinded just to get 2nd waste of time

[loud sky]

What percent does jab12 dtilt baterang jab12 uppercut stop working

[loud sky]

Bro divekick always lead to something as u can see from my vids. U can go slide divekick side air upair

True combo

39

Or uptilt for 37

I even got side air into smoke bomb

A little di dependent

[green bay]

No, it does not if you use it as close to the ground cause it's not gonna let you cancel it (cause I was talking about using the dodge technique that allows doing aerials on the ground)

The game ground you instantly after the divekick in that case

If jump cancel > divekick does actually works it's another story and does allows for followups

[green bay]

Was able to verify, seems to be true to slide > jump cancel > divekick @wintry inlet

My doubt was coming from the fact that on training stage, you can see the bot touching the ground for a frame

And I wasn't sure if that was a sign that he should be able to roll away

[green bay]

Looks like we can indeed get more optimized stuff after that route

[wary vine]

im thinking of purchasing batman or velma who do i go for?

[dusk kernel]

Velma is the better detective but batman is way sexier, now you have to decide which one is your priority

[wintry inlet]

I think it only works on big characters. And even then, it's finicky

[green bay]

I tested in local game, with the player 2 having dodge away on turbo mode

Tested on Shaggy and Batman

I was skeptical but it looks like it's really true

You do have to divekick the straightest way possible

Don't try to angle forward or nothing

[empty wren]

https://x.com/GidyTheGreat/status/1801771580600504668?t=sEUB-AAj1pdRZV4lqCrcQA&s=19

[green bay]

clean sequence !

[loud sky]

Actual good route

[loud sky]

I know it’s true. Crazy how they updating everything but can’t even have a proper training mode such a downgrade from beta

They feel like if they show combo hitstun people will lab too quickly

[wintry inlet]

That's great, I'm stealing that

[empty wren]

I have another clip to upload but doing jab jab/dash atack>up special at mid % is really good at mid% for kill confirming

The up special puts you in an airborne state and you can still jump twice

[wintry inlet]

Yeah that's the main kill confirm

[empty wren]

Doesn't apply a stack of weakened tho

[wintry inlet]

I've been using slide > jab 3 to kill confirm as well

As @green bay pointed out to me earlier

Still don't know if ground up spec or jab3 kills earlier. I should probably test it so I'm not gimping myself lol

[green bay]

This is something I was able to confirm since I test with manual DIs now

On Jason at 127%, jab 3 will kill on DI away while he barely survive with upb

But I suspect upb to kill earlier on bad DI since the angle is way more horizontal by default

[green bay]

Considering all the other fixes the game need, I don't think we'll have a proper full feature training mode for a while...

Ah not even, jab3 also kill earlier with DI in

maybe way earlier

No, just a few % earlier

[wintry inlet]

Good to know

Thanks

[loud sky]

I’m looking at beta gameplay and the fact that characters had many combo routes without attack decay is so crazy like where did they go wrong😭

If u not looping u not S tier no more😂😂

Also @green bay u said Superman loop not real but it is u can adjust the combo to di did they di in u don’t need dodge cancel. U only dodge cancel when they slip away I promise u. Unless I play against u idk how to prove it

[green bay]

I didn't test all of this extensively because laziness, but yea I didn't shared a complete counterplay. I can see the loop being possible on DI in without dodge cancelling but in that case I'm fairly confident you can't react and have to commit beforehand to dodge or not if you want to follow (since what should matter is the DI you choose on the last hit aka dtilt)

I'm interested to know what you do when you reach the ledge before going nair > fair. Do you combo that after dtilt ? Do you jump cancel, dodge cancel ?

Cause again, I tested all of this shortly but I didn't see how you could get a true string with that

[past hinge]

what build would you recommend for 2v2s?

[loud sky]

Um don’t play him in 2s lol

[past hinge]

oh lol

[loud sky]

But I would guess that u would spam grapple so probably grapple perk, ignite, pugilist and whatever 2nd perk

[loud sky]

Dtilt into nair sair

[past hinge]

hmm ill give it a try. thanks!

[loud sky]

https://youtu.be/hMGMOtj5AQE?feature=shared

I was messing around in training room

Don’t know if this could become an optimal approach option

For example if u take a stock of someone u have prep time to set this up and they might not be able to approach u. of course platforms will make it difficult but on flat sky arena this looks solid. Idk sm1 help test

[green bay]

You know when some days ago I talked about doing "ninja sh*t" with the batarang, this is the type of stuff I was thinking about lol. You can even throw a 2nd batarang by stalling the 1st one until your cooldown reset

It's funny, and I do think its somewhat practical but I don't believe in it being like a strong option to rely on, especially since on a lot of maps it's hardly usable

It's not THAT hard for a decent player to play around that, but its an awesome "clips tool" against lower level players 😂

You don't need to dodge btw, you can jump over it to put it in orbit

[hidden python]

It isn't really effective in actual combat from what i heard. You have to keep jumping which makes your movement very predictable. you can have multiples batarang at a time but if an enemy dodges them once, it's like they're not even there and 9 times out of 10 the batarangs won't touch the ennemy if they hit you, they'd just comes back to you.

[loud sky]

ik

[loud sky]

honestly even if fast fall jump is predictable its a guaranteed trade

and u can get 50/50

ima have to try this against a good player and send

also ik we complain about a lot of characters but am i the only one that thinks Bugs bunny needs to be gutted bad?

[low mural]

speed needs to be buffed across the WHOLE board for him

a little under

[low mural]

we need the projectile speed perk back asap

[hidden python]

I'd much rather have the five stacks back or that the batarang applies a weakened stack again when it hits directly

[green bay]

One of these two and I'm playing with Batarang perk again. I hate having to pick the 5% one, it's just lame.

[green bay]

He's among the 5 gods of this game who play their own game. He's definitely gonna get nerfed

[loud sky]

Ngl 5stacks was OD especially since everyone dies earlier than in beta, we would go crazy not saying we shouldn’t have it😏

[loud sky]

Real baterang speed and distance bro

[velvet quail]

And cooldown perk

[granite kiln]

Chat Batman combos what are they?

[loud sky]

stay away from my char

[granite kiln]

That scared I'll be better than you? Cry about it lil bro

[loud sky]

far from that

anyways when does top dog end?

[loud sky]

jab12 > dtilt>jab1>baterang>jab12>upspecial(meter dump) , slide>dair>uair(or upspecial), slide>upspecial pretty much all u need to know

everything extra than this is insanely di dependent

[granite kiln]

16th (tomorrow)

[granite kiln]

Connecting the batarang after jab 1 doesn't seem to be working on Shaggy very well

[loud sky]

do u get rewards tommorow cause last time it said it ended on a day, and that was the day we got rewards

so is this the last grinding day?

[loud sky]

jab12>dtilit>dodge cancel slide> dair > upair another route

[granite kiln]

Yeah I believe so

[loud sky]

bet

im waiting till the last second to play top dog last time i had 60k and 1st place had 110k

im not tryna grind for second place

[green bay]

I just targeted the top 10, can't really grind enough for top 3

[green bay]

If that was me deciding, I would just get rid of all Batman perks and cook actual fun and "options opening" perks

Harley is a good example of what signature perks should be for everyone

[green bay]

In 1s the classic combo Snowball effect/Last Stand/Pugilist works the best.
Can swap Last Stand for the movespeed perk if that's more your thing or for 2 fast 2 block if facing a character with annoying armor moves

As for signature perk, would advise going for Well rounded but Bouncerang is also usable. Avoid the grapple perk at all cost.

[granite kiln]

Last stand is kinda pointless for this character honestly

[loud sky]

U use last stand???🤔

[granite kiln]

You already apply weakened with half your kit

[loud sky]

Damn same time lol

[loud sky]

I made sure to play on an alt I need one 1st place and I’m never trying again

[green bay]

It's good. Then why would you play Bouncerang if our kit apply enough weakened anyway ?

[granite kiln]

Because bouncerang is what makes your kit apply so much weakened

Last stand is useless

Batman isn't heavy

He can die really early and he already applies lots of weakened

Speed force would be of more benefit

[green bay]

Last Stand is all about maintaining stacks, applying 1 or even 2 more stacks per combo/read setups

I labbed a lot of this and yea, Last Stand is cracked

[granite kiln]

But my personal favorite second perk will always be the greatest perk in the game, troll tactics

Absolute peak

[green bay]

I was skeptical about Last stand because of Batman weight

But I end up surviving way more than I thought. Its somewhat an issue against characters that have an easy time finding a kill by the top

But other than that you should really not sleep on the perk

[wintry inlet]

Armor on dash attack

Best perk for batman

By a mile

[green bay]

Mentionned

it's 2fast2block

But not as a default choice since you'll obviously not always fight char with armor moves

[wintry inlet]

Yeah true

It's broken vs armor

[green bay]

Yea we are the best user of this perk no doubt

But yea even tho Batman is light, I would still highly recommend playing with Last Stand. Movement speed is fine but all in all I have little doubt about Last Stand bringing more to the table than 5% movespeed, even if its still a great, usable perk

[tardy gyro]

Man I haven't had internet for the past week and a half aghhh

Missed out on so much

[remote crescent]

i just leave it on. too lazy to swap builds

[wintry inlet]

Same. Other perks seem pretty useless

The perk system is straight garbage

Beta perks were way more interesting and impactful

[loud sky]

Also armor perk breaks bugs bunny safe it has a lot of lowkey usage

That’s the only way I beat bugs matchup

[green bay]

It's a thing ???

[loud sky]

Yep been doing it since launch

[green bay]

🤯

[loud sky]

And second hit can kick him through safe

But they can just bait u breaking it and dair u

But it’s always a surprise to them

[green bay]

That's really good to know, will def use it against him

[remote crescent]

also i have confirmed, smoke completely blanks safe and rocket. might work for other heavy projectiles as well

[loud sky]

Rocket to risky that shi too fat

If they rocket through smoke and u jump a little will u get hit?

[green bay]

Isn't that a change from beta ? That's great if it dodge heavy projectiles now

[loud sky]

I need to learn how to parry bugs up air and nair

Ima start waiting in smoke and parrying

😂

[green bay]

I wonder if you can parry projectile even in the smoke

[remote crescent]

i dont think so

[loud sky]

Parry projectiles disadvantage

[remote crescent]

since they dont actually hit you

[loud sky]

Plus it’s automatic dodge

[green bay]

That would be cool to trigger armor/reflect on projectile parry

[green bay]

Yes but we're talking about MVS

Everything is possible

Ah you can still parry them but if they "hit" and you auto-dodge, you can't parry while it's inside your hitbox

[loud sky]

Oh shi

New tech

[loud sky]

Bro baterang orbit is amazing

Y’all said it’s not optimal

Ima send vids of me optimizing it

Plus it gives me crazy neutral mixup

It also taught me how to control baterang way better just practicing it

[wintry inlet]

I like orbital rang

Trips people out

I've also been using alot of jump > dodge back > down angled rang

Great at bait and punishing

[loud sky]

Orbital rang literally makes Batman feel scary. It’s like we’ve been forced to a wall that’s forcing us to fully optimize this character😂

Baterang feels like an actual projectile

[wintry inlet]

I've had some good games today. Learning how to use rang better and converting off it more often

Steven matchup is cancer

[loud sky]

lol lol

Steven

[green bay]

Yea I'm preaching that since week 1

No fun allowed in this MU

I hate it

[green bay]

Please do, I like seeing this type of stuff

[loud sky]

OMGGG

I HIT THE NASTIEST SHI WITH IT JUS NOW

[green bay]

Like I said, this is a "cool clip" tool lol

You should make a compilation video of these orbital rang moments

I finally started to record my game sessions, I will be able to share more interesting stuff

I would like to make a video of practical gameplay combo/setups and general tips for Batman, but I'm so bad at editing and all that stuff

(In short a Batman guide)

[loud sky]

Bro this what I’m saying if u have good baterang control there’s no reason in the world not to use bouncerang

[wintry inlet]

I advocate bouncerang

Even in beta I was running it

Setting up a returning batarang puts Batman in a great position, forcing the opponent to act or get 3x weakened into uppercut

[loud sky]

Exactly idk why we people were even debating between bouncerang and 5percent

https://youtu.be/XPz3Y_PJOd4?feature=shared

Orbital rang stuff

^^

https://youtu.be/KPpcyhamj2E?feature=shared

^^ neutral mixup

[loud sky]

Exactly

[green bay]

It's always good debating options, it prevent any "tunnel vision" effect and building convictions out of misleading feelings. I still think the 5% perk is the way to go, but there is something to note that maybe I didn't clarify (not enough at least).
When I question myself about optimization and we talk about it, I always imply that it's against players that have decent knowledge of the MU and the proper matchup execution that comes with it. Because I think that's where these types of questions matters.
I'm confident that against 95% of the player I face online, Bouncerang would be more efficient. This is my answer if you want my opinion on what works best against the average player lol.
For the rest, when it matters how optimal I am, I still think I get more of the 5% perk than bouncerang (can't wait for rankeds so I can play more interesting match more often...)

Again a lot of words from uncle touflou, but I like to make myself clear 😅

[green bay]

Yes it's strong, but bouncerang or not you create the same situation. Not the same risk/reward of course, but that's typically the type of situation where a player with (at least) decent matchup execution will always pick a defensive option to avoid the rang, perk or not. Not always, sometimes they will just miss or something, but it becomes less reliable to apply weaken with the perk in this case.

[green bay]

Oh this I like it, that's a good way to deter someone from wanting to jump over your approach and respect it 😍 Nice one

[wintry inlet]

Well the perk makes that situation even more threatening

Which is what you want from a perk

[green bay]

Yes, but my point is that the outcomes should often result into your opponent evading the rang, and you get to have a read on it

[wintry inlet]

Yeah but the reward for them guessing wrong is much more punishing with bouncerang

I've had a fair amount of kills from a returning rang into upper to justify running it 100% of the time

[green bay]

Yes, it does works a lot against the average joe. And yes its a good idea to run the perk since that's mostly who you're gonna face anyway

I guess on that regard that's mostly a "me" thing, I just like always going for what I would also run against decent players

Which is probably dumb but that's who I am lol

But yea you are doing the right thing in all honesty, like even without bouncerang I often end up hitting with returning rang

[warped geyser]

Anyone know any good Batman combos that have down air or side air starters? I know a zero to death but it requires you to hit batbomb on a jab which isn’t usually practical if ur playing someone good, also air down special would be good for a starter

[wintry inlet]

It's also matchup dependant. But even against good players. the threat of an early stock from intelligent use of batarang is good enough for me to take it. 5% is such a piddly multiplier to do anything meaningful to effect gameplay

[loud sky]

I’ve done it against top players it’s a literal 50/50 set up. And top players been doing it since beta. Very effective I got so many clips of landing it earlier so much I could make a compilation lol

[wintry inlet]

Dair and sair can lead to jabs if you're lucky. I like to go for uppercut for the consistent damage + advantage state

[loud sky]

Zero to death😂😂😂 send

[wintry inlet]

Those whack 0% batbomb setups

[loud sky]

They not even true

lol

[wintry inlet]

Ik ik

[warped geyser]

This one is it’s just not practical cos u have to hit a jab and batbomb as I said

[loud sky]

I can land jab if u tell me zero to death

I’ll fish for it lol

😂😂

[wintry inlet]

You have to take into account DI and stuff

Being real in training mode doesn't make it real in a match

[loud sky]

Bro when top dog end??

Is it over

[warped geyser]

Okay, combo: neutral special, jab jab neutral forward dodge side switch jab down attack into side special right before the batbomb explodes this will get u in the air below them then u do an up air

I’ve done it in a match lol

They can’t di away at least I haven’t seen it

[loud sky]

In what world can dtilt combo to grapple?

[warped geyser]

Try it lol

[wintry inlet]

They must have been sleepin bro

[loud sky]

😭

Nah I was dead practicing orbital batarang as a troll I feel like a god with baterang and since I have baterang out so long it’s like barely any cooldown

[green bay]

The struggle to get understood 😭
I get return rang a LOT too, and with this data I still chose to believe its not optimal against decent players. Also not a litteral 50/50, at leats not 50/50 between taking the rang or not (again, not talking about the average joe). But this is starting to be draining to talk about that, either I word my opinion poorly or you just don't see what I see.
My final statement on this is: play with what you think is best and/or what you have fun playing with ! In the end that's what matter.

[green bay]

I played 30 minutes ago it was still up

[green bay]

Yea Silva is right, not a thing

[warped geyser]

Y’all got some useful combos or u just gonna focus on the combo I thought I knew but it turned out to not work? Such a small detail I said I was asking for combos bro

[green bay]

Oh wait I read your combo wrong

I tested something like that a while ago, but from what I remember the setup was a bit wonky

I should give it another go in the lab

[wintry inlet]

Combo I've been using alot is:
Slide > dair > uair
BatRang > dair > uair

[wintry inlet]

All g bro you use what you think is best

[wintry inlet]

Dive kick > fair > uppercut
Slide > jab3 kill confirm

Those are what I use most

[green bay]

After dair I'm pretty sure you can followup with jab

and then extend your combo

[loud sky]

Most used for me:
Dive kick> sair>jab>rang>jab>uppercut

[loud sky]

Think I tried before never worked

[wintry inlet]

It's very iffy

[loud sky]

Prolly superr di dependent

[wintry inlet]

It works but man it just doesn't sometimes and it's annoying

[warped geyser]

Alright bet thank you guys, any combos starting with fair or any combos using instant air dodges?

[green bay]

Yes it's because iirc you have to delay your jab slightly

at low % at least, after that it doesn't works anymore

(I should really take notes of all of that everytime...)

[wintry inlet]

Makes sense. Too finicky for me lol. Especially online

[warped geyser]

Is his second fair useless now? I haven’t seen one combo with someone using it

[green bay]

The best choice anyway is to go divekick after slide

[wintry inlet]

So far, yeah

[wintry inlet]

Yeah I stopped doing that. It's too inconsistent

[green bay]

This sh*t is true and you can followup with sair 1 > sair 2 and I'm fairly sure upb is true after sair 2 lol

but didn't test that thoroughly

[wintry inlet]

Dunno why but vs human opponents, it just doest work sometimes

I'll do it vs big boys, but most of the time I'm fighting the little broken characters

[green bay]

Hm I'll test with manual DI on a local game later, but it definitely should works at least as long as it's not a short character like Guizmo

[wintry inlet]

Yeah it was really annoying. It dropped way more than it should have

[warped geyser]

Does he not have many combos that start with fair? Probably only on very low percents if he has any at all

[wintry inlet]

Fair sucks bro

Best you'll get are jabs or uppercut

[green bay]

The only Di I tested was away and it was working on Shaggy and Batman

[warped geyser]

It’s the easiest thing for me to hit but I guess he’s more balanced now if it can’t combo well

[green bay]

yea at low% you do get jab after fair

you can even slide > fair > jab > whatever

[warped geyser]

Any fair to jab combos I can use? I know about jab jab batarang into some other stuff

The slide and down special starters are good tho I’ll try them out

[green bay]

jab 2 > batarang ain't true

but you'll not really start combos from fair really often honestly

You shouldn't bother too much

[warped geyser]

Rely on his slide a lot from what it sounds like

[green bay]

Yea ok this is why. Height and weight impact the combo

So it won't works on char like Stripe, Guizmo, Bugs etc...

[wintry inlet]

Yeah it's a shame

[wintry inlet]

Yeah Slide is our only good move

[warped geyser]

Dang he’s very different from the beta I haven’t really played Batman much since the relaunch

Seems like down special into dair or fair is still the same tho

[low mural]

yes

[loud sky]

its true but u need to be zero and land a super close slide, rarely gonna work and and slide down special sair still not better than slide dair upair or upsecial

[warped geyser]

https://youtu.be/xpUG0qmGA20?si=-pHFCLp7i9FCUqs- I’m not sure if most of these still work but I think some of them do

[green bay]

No look at what I said. When it works, it seems reliable at pretty much all spacing since you drift in the air during the jump.
It's just that it doesn't works on everyone, and for some it works but you have to like angle the divekick at a specific angle (way too precise for it to be practical, not even accounting the opponent's DI)

It does works on a lot more character (I'm fairly sure it's universal even) if instead of jump cancelling the slide, you dodge upward (thanks Batman for that)

Since we can cancel upward dodge way earlier than jump

But this cost 3 dodge bars to do so

Instead of 0 with a jump cancel

I'm gonna try all of this in actual matches to see how it goes

[green bay]

Nah my man absolutely lied when he titled the video "true combos" lol but there is still interesting stuff to grab from it

But as always, it's all very DI dependent

He used different DI during his videos but does not display them

[loud sky]

Learning more combo resets and dodge reads

Also started playing Harley again since beta

Man this character feels crazy

It’s been so long since I could jus juggle and combo reset so much😭😭

[green bay]

These characters play their own game

I realized that I SUCK in the Batman mirror 😂
I face so few of him that my matchup experience is very low

[wintry inlet]

I've been stomping all the Batmans I've faced so far. He's that honest that you can't just pick up and play him any more. No one seems to know how to use him lol. It's been nice

Anyone here OCE?

[green bay]

Again, I'm not talking about the average joe lol

Yes any average Batman is no problem, if I don't need to apply any matchup counterplay it's fine. But I just faced a pretty good one during my last play session

He was good but I don't think he was THAT good to be a major problem to me, but I struggled quite a bit

and lost the set

[green bay]

Europe. But I played with US players and it was totally playable thanks to rollback netcode

[loud sky]

I stomp Batman mirror at first it’s weird because it feels like slide 1v1 but once u get crazy enough u can 3-1 constant if ur better

I hate batman mirror tho because I have to be so patient

All mirror matches after beta are terrible because of how much slower the game is

[granite kiln]

By slide you mean dash attack, right?

[loud sky]

Yes

[granite kiln]

Also wasn't his old dtilt literally just his current dash attack?

[loud sky]

Yes

[granite kiln]

Lazy devs fr

[loud sky]

Nah good devs

[granite kiln]

At least he has an armor break move now ig

[loud sky]

Making slide dash attack allows us to fully utilize armor break dash attack

[granite kiln]

Can dash attacks be used off the ledge? I think I remember Batman having some pretty fun tech with his dtilt where you use it just as you leave the ledge and you can dtilt in the air for a disgusting edge guard

Made him 10 times more oppressive than he already was

[loud sky]

Not any more lol

That’s beta Batman

Well actually idk I’ve accidentally done Superman ground side special off stage

[granite kiln]

I'm wondering if it can still be done though, since I think I've seen a few Morty clips of someone using a dash attack off the ledge

[loud sky]

So maybe edge canceling is a thing with meter?

With the way offstage is rn idk if it would help

[granite kiln]

Wdym?

[loud sky]

Off stage is kinda clunky

[green bay]

I tried replicating that

the grounded move in the air with edge canceling

No matter how hard I tried, couldn't do it

Edge canceling is still possible but not very practical

Need to have a precise spacing

But you can absolutely not use that to use charged grounded move

I guess they made sure the code was airtight on that aspect lol

[green bay]

Think I'll take a break from the game until rankeds are out. Most of the game I play are not that interesting, 95% of them are BO1, I also hate that Townsville is in the map rotation

I would rather not burn myself out of boredom and just wait for ranked honestly

[wintry inlet]

I vs'd a good one yesterday that was def a bman main in beta. He was good but I was doing more damage with slide than he was

[green bay]

You're more comfortable in the MU than I am then !

[wintry inlet]

I guess so haha. I vs so many bmans in beta

I had to get good at the matchup

[green bay]

I stopped pretty early during beta, I think around Morty release

Hated the meta

[wintry inlet]

I was gonna take a break but I think this character is finally clicking with me

[green bay]

But I was sad cause I had a blast discovering the game

Yea I love this Batman honestly, but the games are so shallow in casual

[granite kiln]

Batman genuinely feels so bad now holy moly and I can't abuse the funny air slide tech either

[green bay]

I hate not being challenged, I hate chaining BO1, and I hate having to play on Mario Party *ss maps

[granite kiln]

You can say ass

[green bay]

Having to chain BO1 is legit the only reason I don't play for long every session

I hate that sh*t

[wintry inlet]

Between slide, rang and divekick, I've been able to get reads into 20-30% conversions consistently. And then it's ko% where we can kill confirm

Yeah bo1 is pretty lame. Lots of one and done

[green bay]

This is the 1st competitive game I played where I see such an epidemic of one and doners

By a very large margin

The one that come closest is probably SSBU and even there its far better on that regard

[granite kiln]

This game isn't competitive LMAO

It's designed for casuals

[green bay]

ok

[wintry inlet]

I've found that the players worth fighting at least go bo3

[green bay]

Yea, sometime you face one of those

Rare moment of enjoyement lol

[wintry inlet]

It's still competitive if you fight someone that treats it that way

It's worth swimming through a pile of scrubs to find those few good matches

[green bay]

I think I'll just lab a bit, play some customs

And wait for rankeds

if the game is not dead at that point

I would enjoy the game so much more if there was rankeds...

[green bay]

That bores me very quickly, in any game. Especially in MVS where its the worst case of this. And I know if I force I'm gonna burn myself out and just stop.

I'll see, maybe I should just stick to custom games.

[wintry inlet]

Add me bro. We can practice the match up if the netcode will allow it

I'll give ya a good fight. Hopefully lol

[green bay]

What's your IGN ? I'll play again later if you're down, or we can always do that tomorrow or something

I'm curious about the netcode, I know I played OCE players on other fighting game with rollback netcode and it was so fine

[wintry inlet]

Burnsilva

Yeah I'm down

[green bay]

"Hopefully" like you're not gonna destroy me maybe lol

[wintry inlet]

I've played guys from US but connection was bad

So we'll see how we go

[green bay]

Ah

[wintry inlet]

You sound like you're good bro

[green bay]

yea depends of how good the netcode is implemented

[wintry inlet]

Got the right mentality

[green bay]

Oh yea I don't mind getting crushed. I wish there was ingame replays to look at our matches tho

It's better to catch your mistake and such

[wintry inlet]

Same dude. I'm the type that will spam rematch

Only way to get better is to get crushed and adapt

[green bay]

exactly

[loud sky]

Who wanna play me😂😂

I’m NA

[wintry inlet]

Add me burnsilva

We can try

But I'm OCE so the connection might be trash

[loud sky]

Says u offline

[loud sky]

Oh

[wintry inlet]

I'm at gym lol

[green bay]

I'm gonna also add you later. I'm EU but I played with NA players in fine conditions so we'll see

[loud sky]

What’s ur ign

[green bay]

So I can have a taste of the yung prodigy lol

I'm gonna add you later dw, when I'm connected. I'll go take a bath

If you're not free later tomorrow dw

[loud sky]

Ight

[wintry inlet]

I landed this a couple times today

Batbomb > Slide > rang (angled down) > dodge > jab2 > utilt > explode > cape

Killed real early lol

Have to delay the jabs and utilt a fraction to make the explosion undodgable

Pretty cheese

[loud sky]

Does delaying make it a string

?

[granite kiln]

Does Batman have any true ladder combos?

[wintry inlet]

I think so. Haven't had anyone dodge out of it yet. If you jab12 utilt too quick they can dodge before explosion

[wintry inlet]

Batbomb combos. We're still figuring out routes that are guaranteed

[loud sky]

Sometimes uppercut chains into upair

Depends on angle

And percent

[green bay]

@wintry inlet finishing my match

[wintry inlet]

All g

Got a custom room up

Lemme know when you're ready

[green bay]

Ready

[loud sky]

ooohhh

[wintry inlet]

Oh snap you got drip

I lose lol

[green bay]

?

Is that you ?

[green bay]

It's to mislead the opponen ito thinking I'm that guy

[wintry inlet]

Nah you DC

[green bay]

yea I did

[wintry inlet]

Lol

Looks so sick

I'm tempted to get it

[green bay]

I didn't just DC, it crashed entierly

Booting the game again

You can reinvite me

[wintry inlet]

No worries. Happens to me too

[green bay]

Uh, said I wasn't enable to join

send it back

You left ?

I'm in but I'm alone now lol

that gameeee

[green bay]

Yea the skin is too good

[wintry inlet]

My son said you look cool lol

I'm the ugly bman

Nice gg

[green bay]

Its wonky af

[wintry inlet]

It's wonky yeah

[green bay]

😎

[wintry inlet]

But playable

You're good dude

Just have to get used that delay

[green bay]

its match 1, look everything go south now

[wintry inlet]

Too good!

[green bay]

I can see the delay is messing with your timings tho

it shows

[wintry inlet]

Gg

Yeah it is lol

But still ggs

[green bay]

gg man. You hit those dair

[wintry inlet]

You know what you're doin

Phew gg

[green bay]

wow was that on purpose the grapple whiff to position yourself on the platform ?

followed by upb ?

cause that was clean lol

[wintry inlet]

Nah lol

[green bay]

actual tech lol

[wintry inlet]

Misinputs all over the shop

[green bay]

😂

You end up on burnout a lotttt

[wintry inlet]

You're a beast bro

[green bay]

I think 1st degre that you play a better Batman than me

like, LOOK

lmaooo

you did me dirty

[wintry inlet]

Lol

Close

[green bay]

But your meter management isnot helping you

[wintry inlet]

Nah not at all

[green bay]

Most of the time I take advantage of your burnout state

but other than that you manage neutral game better

I wish I was that technical..

That will be the last for me @wintry inlet , its lateee

Gg silva, next time we're going for longer session

I'm getting more comfortable with the MU that's cool. And man we can see you're the technical type lol

[wintry inlet]

Too good bro! Thanks for those

[green bay]

Thanks man, that was cool

[wintry inlet]

Yeah lag was tripping me up a bit

You definitely adapted to it better than I did haha

[green bay]

Yea I knew it was favoring my playstyle more than yours

[wintry inlet]

But you've got a great bman

[marble sparrow]

just beat some EVO 2022 player

[green bay]

But considering the distance, I'm kinda surprised

[marble sparrow]

they were 25th place

But ermmm

[wintry inlet]

Go fight @green bay

[marble sparrow]

it still counts!!

HELL NAH

[wintry inlet]

He's next evo champ

[green bay]

Thanks I appreciate

lmao not by a long shot

[green bay]

champion

Buy the skin, join the weeaboo club @wintry inlet

Bed time, see yall

[wintry inlet]

Nah lol 😆

Night g

[loud sky]

NOOO

touflou

wait for MEEE

[loud sky]

Morty and martian man are currently our hardest matchups

[velvet quail]

Damn there are alot of people who don't like fighting batman in 1v1. Had 3 people in a row kill themself after i 2 stock them and a shaggy who quit after getting 1 stocked.

[velvet quail]

Nvm it's just everyone in general

[marble sparrow]

Everyone HATES Batman

like only 2 of my homies don't hate him

[hidden python]

But he only kills at 140% if the opponent is just slightly heavy 😭

[marble sparrow]

dude

it's cause they KEPT going into my charged uppercut

an blaming it on batman having the biggest hitboxes ever

😭

I genuinely thought the uppercut had like a secret feature where it dragged people in because of how often my friends went into it

[velvet quail]

Rip. I love batman, even more so when i face another cause it was super rare in the beta to see another batman

[loud sky]

I LEARNED MORTY MATCHUP

[granite kiln]

What are Batmans kill moves?

[loud sky]

@green bay tryna play with my friend

[loud sky]

Use his whole kit