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they both tried competing with Overwatch
Concorde tried being a straight up clone, like what Battleborne did
but that failed, because why play a different game if it plays the exact same
but Marvel Rivals
is similar but different
it's in third person and the game has a different enough gameplay loop to stand out
which means that there's a reason to play both
that's why MVS is great
because if every game felt the same, no game would feel special
"with everyone super, no one will be"
PLEAAAASSSEEE buff Velma's hitboxes 😩
As in the games take so goddamn long to play compared to 2v2. Like in 2v2 the game is usually over very fast, but in 1v1 its a constant damn match where both are surviving to huge damage dealt and the last life every single time
Alright I absolutely give up with 1v1. Her hitboxes are WAY too goddamn tiny and her attacks have SO much goddamn whiff lag. Like I don't get it, if I dodge black adams attacks he can immidiately punish me. If black adam dodges my attacks he can immidiately punish me. If I dodge jacks attacks he can immidiately punish me, if I jack dodges my attacks he can immidiately punish me.
Like PLEASE. Make her attacks a little bit faster, and give them some actual hitboxes. Like please, you have half the goddamn cast having their attacks hit behind them but you don't even allow Velma's flashlight to hit on her arm. And WHY is her Megaphone so slow. It has NO range at all at a reasonable time spent holding it down, and to hold it down to its full range makes your attack EXTREMELY predictable and easy to dodge.
Why
Velma is fine in 1v1
You don't have other fighers charge their attacks this damn long. If I just tap the forward special with Jack it still has its full range. Tapping Velma's megaphone gives it only point blank range
Her hitboxes are crap. It's so much harder to hit enemies with her than other fighters
They're completely unforgiving
Especially since most of her attacks are slower than most fighters too
She needs more combo potential
Yeah well Velma sure as hell isn't busted
the combos are harder
just because they are harder
that doesn't mean
that they are any less strong
look at Rick for example, he has NASTY combos, but they are not easy to do
Alright, then she doesn't need more combos. But she needs better goddamn hitboxes and less slow attacks, especially her megaphone. Also literally any way to cancel out of the run charge while still in the charge mode. It's so easy to try and attack with her aerial side special and accidentally get locked into her super slow and super vulnerable uncharged side charge
I don't know why you're obsessing over combos so much
it's almost like Velma
is crap
is not a fighter you use side B a lot on
BS
she's not, quit whining
want to play a fighter that is actually bad
try playing Banana Guard
even after the buffs
everyone else has more combos
more options
Velma is not anywhere near a top tier
exactly, so she needs buffs
Yes she is
no, your skill is bottom tier, because good Velmas will tell you she's not bottom tier
she requires more skill to get value out of
that is literally the definition of low tier
no, low tier is something that at it's skill ceiling gets less value
If she's only good in the hands of someone who would be skilled with any fighter, she's not a high tier fighter
low tier is something that does less even if you play them optimally
She's underpowered
in this case, Banana Guard is objectively the lowest tier, since he has the least options
she's a zoner, stop playing zoners like they are bruisers
the whole point of a zoner
couldn't care less, I have never played him
but Velma is crap compared to most of the cast
and not because she fundementally crap like banana guard, but because she was nerfed to oblivion after the Beta
again, you are saying she doesn't have hitboxes, which implies you play her up close
because she was even more broken than what Batman is now
again
you are playing a zoner like a bruiser
if you want to play up close
play Shaggy, Steven, Garnet
play something that plays up close
if you are going to play a zoner
Yes because all her kill moves are up close. How the hell are you supposed to play her if not up close. Have you ever tried her? Her ranged attacks are constantly on cooldown, and none of her ranged attacks are kill moves. You HAVE to play her up close.
if you don't know how to time engagements, that's on you
it's not
I've literally played pre-buff Banana Guard (when he was a throw pick) against Ruthless (the best Rick player in the world)
someone's gonna regret engaging...
and he struggled
AGAINST A FIGHTER THAT HAS NO RANGED ATTACKS
because
if you use proper neutral
and know how to time engagements
You have given no good arguments as to why Velma is top tier other than "well extremelt skilled players can carry her" which is a crap argument because extremely skilled players can carry any fighter that doesn't mean that fighter is good it only means that player is good
whatever, this is a dumb conversation
and I lose because I go for stuff that Batman is not good at
instead of playing his strengths
is it a character issue
or a skill issue
answer the question
if you don't know how to play a fighter
is it a character issue or a skill issue
answer
Smiski, don't start, bruh
He can stop replying to me. I will not reply to him any more
we see you here every single day complaining about the same stuff, but spamming the same sentence over and over is a bit too much
Well no crap. If they actually fixed the things I was complaining about I wouldn't be here
but acting like it's a character issue instead of a "I need to learn to play the character" issue
like
come on
BS ad hominem attacks because you don't have an argument
You play goddamn Banana guard, what do you know
except I've been saying
what your issue is
and how to fix it
but you don't listen
I told you, play to your character's strengths
Because you're not making any sense
because the issues you're telling me, aren't the issues I am having in game
you heard it here first, doing what your character is good at makes no sense
telling someone that a character that is good at zoning and not that good up close needs to focus on zoning
instead of doing what they are not great at
makes no sense apparently
are you a bot or something?
apparently
<@&882349260409032746>
it's definitely an AI account or something
I am not attacking anyone
they just spam the same thing over and over again
I just don't want to engage with this guy anymore
Spam aint welcome either 
but he won't stop arguing with me
Then tell this guy to stop trying to divert the subject away from my point just because he disagrees
I don't want to change my point just because he disagrees
I think Velma has crap hitboxes
and that they need to be fixed
block him and move on
Nuh uh, no passing the blame to someone else
You were spamming, you say sorry and cut it off
except I'm not attacking, I'm telling you exactly what to do to stop struggling
Aight
in a respectful way initially
because for the record
and the message history proves this
I literally told them how they can improve at the game
in a respectful way
sry to bother Draco
providing examples
and telling them what they can do to mitigate the issue they were struggling with
but then they started attacking
This channel is to provide game feedback in the first place, to have a conversation about a character please use the character channels or general chats, not this
that's fair
anyways, going back to game feedback
which is what this channel is for
why do you only get 35 points at max for beating someone
it would make sense if they are like 400 points above you
but if they are 1600+ points above your rank at the time of beating them?
isn't it a little
like "not enough"
if someone is the equivalent of 16+ divisions above you, you should get rewarded accordingly for beating them
the points system feels better, but it's far from being fair
also, fighters like Batman and Shaggy need some serious tuning
as of now, they are too fast, with too many good approach options/combo starters
they put you in kill range by winning 1 single interaction/engagement
which considering they have so many good starters, it's a problem
there's 2 ways this could be solved
- making it so that those starters/approaches are not as "free" as they currently are
- adjusting their damage and kill power levels to be more in line to fighters that have fast approaches and such
for example, Shaggy's Neutral Air is strong because it's a forgiving multihit that lasts for a long time
and it's hard to punish/counter for most fighters, since the attack usually hits people even if you manage to do an uptilt or similar
the problem is
even if you space from it/dodge it
you can Dair into Nair
which makes it nigh impossible to avoid both moves
and since Nair is a combo starter, he can put you in kill range with 1 single use of that starter + a combo
and then ring you out with the second/third one
the problem is that it has next to no counterplay
this could be fixed by adding a small lockout, like if you down air, you cannot use Nair for X amount of frames
or making it so that it cannot combo into a dodge boosted jab
the problem with Shaggy is not his side B or sandwich, it's the fact that he has too many consistent (borderline free) approach options that are also combo starters, too many consistent kill confirms and too much damage
with Batman, it's similar, he has too many borderline risk free options to get kills
the problem with IG is the neutral B
the one that is a "get off of me" button
it shouldn't be a combo starter
like I get it if you want something he can use to get out of combos (even if I disagree with that sort of move existing)
but
if you are going to have something that stops people from punishing you
it should at the very least not be a combo starter
the nair dodge to jab is also a big problem
the problem with IG's combos is that since Nair is a ground bounce
it locks you in the tech animation
which wouldn't be a problem
Buff Beetlejuice
His nair could use more hits and his ground down attack could use more range on the initial steppingc and if it should hit should suck them in enough for them to get hit for the entirety of it instead of being able to get out (its the least it could do)
Nerf samurai jacks side special so you can actually dodge it instead of having to time it (if the indicator of it is out you should be able to dodge the whole attack)
if his Nair didn't cover both directions the tech can go to at the same time
regardless of where you tech, it still hits
because the thing is a multihit that ends after the tech ends
Some positive thoughts:
Racing was better this rift season. The metroidvania levels are getting funner too.
The ppg are a neat addition (don't think they or any other new characters should be in ranked but) they're fun to play as and really push the limits of character originality.
I had a problem logging in at the beginning of the season and to see the devs come into discord just to help us was refreshing. Don't see that often in the gaming world....
Some negativity:
Hitboxes are just perpetually broken in new ways every patch.
Balance is getting better but still not there. More specifically, the movesets seem to rely on one or two moves to really carry most toons.
The netcode errors make ranked miserable and i have counted myself out of this season (due to multiple reasons) because it's just no fun to lose rank to disconnects and/or lagspikes.
And finally.... Matchmaking is absolutely still broken... Comically so. The amount of smurfs in ranked is laughable.
Over all, i love this game and i hate to see it fail but it will if this continues. I don't mind relearning characters after every patch, but it's only a matter of time before someone finds the new meta and abuses it. Keep trying, someday it will be balanced, and don't get too discouraged by all the flak.... Thanks for hearing me out!
I hate this game, please buff Velma
Steven should not be able to take over bombs and stuff .it is annoying
That takes away all of Harley spaciel for real
Hey PFG, Would you Mind Nerfing Black Adam Because all of Black Adam Mains relay on is his N-Air & Down Air plus, it’s beyond annoying; thinking they’re a pro with that character but really they’re just mashing it in order to win & Have Fragile Egos. so make sure you have this note Pinpointed before the next patch ok?
I quit.
Too many bugs, hitboxes are still bad, solo/PvE mode is still full of undercooked stuff and rehashing. There are only so many times you can reuse Mojo before I catch on.
This game feels like it's kept afloat by a skeleton crew on a shoestring budget acting like "this is fine" but their boat has several leaks.
Missions are too specific and mundane, events are just "more missions with background art", there's no onboarding or tools to get better, and what's there feels janky.
I don't feel like I have fun playing, I'd only play to "get my Gleam's worth" from the pass and playing for solely that is dumb.
Good luck with the second relaunch if you get there. 😛
Fix your servers please. Lots of desyc leading to attacks going right through the enemy. And the career tab struggles to load and times out when trying to view the profile/ rank of the people in the last match
Please remove tom and Jerry paddle into jerry shot loop it's actually the most unfair feeling thing in the game atm and I'm seeing more people doing it now it needs to go please.
i have never been so miserable playing a game in my life. thats it thats the feedback
This. His down air counters so many attacks it absolutely shouldn't counter
Hi, I'm here to show you an idea that will help improve the control system because they don't make it so that each character can have separate control settings, so with bugs you can put different controls and the other characters have other controls
Another thing that would help would be that in the same controls you have the option to make only lateral movements, that is, it is only lateral movement and that it is not specific like turning left or right.
there is an issue where if bugs dies while burrowing on his rocket he freezes and cant move once he respawns
Hitboxes linger for WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too long after hit in 2v2, it breaks the flow of the game.
give a garnet a counter as a cooldown move for when gem dash is on cooldown have it be she use future vision for it have it be a proper counter not this armor break wackness jack has
in the few games I have played tonight I have played against GM#1 & GM#5 team and GM#14 GM#4 team. as a PLATINUM 3. this is the worst ranked system I have ever seen in my life
After i played with Garnet since day 1 S3 until i reached master 5
Overall, Garnet is "fine" right now with her buff
I think Garnet doesn't need nerf or buff for midseason patch S3
I'll be glad if Garnet will gets another buff, if it's possible
But i don't mind if she doesn't get both of them for while
First game on tonight and just absolutely LOVE my lightbulb going thru someone with no effect
So many stuff just go through people
game just feels like ass
Batman… best character
Literally EVERYBODY I play is Batman
Batman players win by doing nothing lol
You can dodge his dash attack. Batarang. Everything
And players sending trash messages as if there any good LOLOLOL
How the heck Batman get a buff but not Velma?
Please, for the love of video games.
Somebody take a good look at Stripe's kit.
This character is a walking hitbox that gets away with pure shenanigans.
He is rewarded for just holding his dynamite. It has almost zero cooldown and also does little to no damage to Stripe, so there is no reason he shouldn't hold it.
It's a free neutral removal tool. If I manage to catch the already small and hard-to-catch Stripe in a combo, he's holding his Dynamite so I am punished.
If I try to play back a bit, the dynamite launch hitbox is large and hard to dodge, which would be fine if the CD was longer, or if he hurt himself more for the Dynamite.
when they will nerf superman grab
100%... Dynamite should have a very long cooldown for all it offers... look at Rick's portal, for instance... all his good combos depend on it, and it has such a long cooldown... meanwhile, Stripe has a free-out-of-jail card that saves him from every combo, and he can just keep using it over and over
taking 5 damage
idk, man... it gets really tiresome dealing with some bs in this game
I used to love this game, but now that I decided to take a break, I just don't miss it at all... All I see is people being miserable by some choices PFG make and others that they don't make...
like Taz... Taz can simply become a hitbox for many many seconds, and even on cooldown, they can still spam that damn tornado
They should buff Ricks ground meeseeks. But remove the down meeseeks shield breaker. Nerf air meeseeks a tiny bit. Give fart gun the shield breaker instead. Rick's dash should give him projectile armor from the front since he has a shield there. Dash shield only gives 1 projectile attack defense, then it breaks. Rick's up air/the megaseed needs some changes. Make him throw it upwards instead. The longer you charge, the faster it flies upwards. even if you miss it, it should activate cooldown. This makes it so he can't spam it, has to use it more carefully, and gives him an upwards attack. This would work well with a nerfed up air meeseeks.
That's what I've been saying, her hitboxes are complete ass.
Her Lightbulb is absolutely tiny, and it doesn't even linger for the full duration it is visible. This attack should either be bigger and more lenient or it should have a sweet spot in the middle that has a stronger kill potential.
Her flashlight is extremely short range and it doesn't extend to the rest of her body at all, like her arm isn't counted as part of her hitbox so it's extremely unforgiving compared to all the fighters that have their hitboxes extend behind them. This attack should have more range.
Her camera hitbox is like Jigglypuff's sleep attack, you have to be basically inside the enemy for it to work and it has a startup time so it's not instant either.
Her down air attack is extremely precise compared to fighters like Black adam that has an absolutely huge hitbox on his down attack and is far more likely to kill with it.
Can we get a fix on the UI for Beetlejuice scream? When he dies, sometimes the bar shows it has meter still, even though it's empty.
I also think velma's running charge needs a buff. I think if you charge up this attack more than halfway, it should have armor. Right now it is way too easy to punish, and it can not be cancelled out of once you start, and it ALWAYS leaves you extremely vulnerable when it stops and you trip over even if you actually hit an enemy with it. I think for an attack that is this slow it shouldn't be as easy to counter and punish as it is
i would say her lightbulb is weird hitbox lol sometimes its big (cuz its POP for 1 sec big_ and her camera SOMEHOW HITBOX BIGGER RIGHT ON HER HEAD INSTEAD BELOW THE ONE SHE HITTING TOO
I cooked ngl with these changes
Yeah, her Camera hitbox is extremely wonky.
It's very hard to hit with since its hitbox is so incredibly close to her body and it takes startup time to perform which paired with it being a point blank attack makes it extremely easy to counter.
Also come on. Make Batman event boosted by default. Let people have a chance to get the bat credits for the event literally dedicated to the fighter.
Also Lebron's Robin Skin should be event boosted
It think it would be great if there was a block button, and have the characters talk in the arcade thing.
the batman who laughs, despite being a skin of the joker, is batman, should he be boosted along with the batman t-shirt skins?
I dunno, I wouldn't mind all characters from the Batman series specifically being boosted tbh. I do however think Batman, who the entire event is all about, should be boosted by default.
The daily login says I can't claim until 20h from now which wouldn't bother me right now if it didn't say there were 10 rewards and only 10 days to claim them.
When they will nerf superman at all
Add text chat plz
WHERES THE HALLOWEEN STUFF
Batman event going on rn
Kinda wish they didn't limit us to 5 of the baterangs
wait you can only use 5 batarangs in total?
Yeah they only let you purchase up to 5 of them which is kinda lame
They limited them to 5, if you want a legendary skin you are almost at the limit
ok the praise i had for this event is kinda gone
also thank you game
for always taking me 10+ points when losing but only giving me 4-6 points when winning
so fun
This is stupid then
Remove the limit as just like with the cybucks event this shouldn't be limited
Nah that's dumb cause how are they gonna WRING YOUR POCKETS of money if they didn't put a limit?
hardcoding in ways to prevent people from getting free skins at the expense of foregetting to write dialogue for the rift nodes is actually insane
the dialogue was usually atrocious but it was better than not even trying at all
or even making a balanced game
Or they could make the limit like 7 so you can at least get 1 premium if you wanted and 3 regular skins
for sure but it takes an hour tops to write some one liners lololol
no, for an event like this we shouldn't have a limit, there wasn't one for the cybucks event until they saw ppl were getting a lot of skins (aka greed)
Remove the purchase limit on the batman coins shop and add free gleamium as obtainable at the batman coins shop
yes
boost the rest of the batman skins, the ones on the batman t-shirts and the batman who laughs because, surprise, THEY ARE BATMAN.
they're not 85 though, so I agree that shouldn't be
At least the Batman skins, it's their anniversary, just because they're not themed to the 85th anniversary doesn't mean they can't be boosted
Apart from the fact that they sell them in the anniversary store, it would be an incentive to buy them
agreed bc of the lack of batman skins for some characters
I'll accept the 85 only and them removing the limit as that's fine, but at least remove the limit
Wait some of these rift nodes are legit copy pasted from earlier ones
thats actually embarrassing
pls, and add gleamium ;-;
😭....
it's ai done likely with the rise of ai in this industry
thats insane cuz the rifts would at most take a human an hour
definitely shouldnt make an effort to make the game kind of presentable to get back some of that 94% of the playerbase you lost between May and now, no no no
if youre going to make moves miss when they clearly hit and be inconsistent with hit/hurt boxes whatever it is, at least let me dodge the move when it says DODGE and not get hit after the fact
I don't like the idea of making an event currency to buy another event currency, it can be a bit confusing, even tho said currency can be obtained via PVP. But i liked the Batman event cosmetics, they look cool.
its specifically designed to be deceptive, so you have a harder time determining the monetary value of what the event currencies are
so you can more easily overspend
yup
fair point
just noticed one of my bundles in the shop is 4% off LOL
you guys that strapped for cash?
If Wonder Woman & Superman aren’t considered human you can not consider Power Puff Girls human considering they are literally test tube babies born in a crock pot
test tube babies are human @timid steeple
What about crock pot babies made with suger, spice, everything nice, and a dash of chemical X?
Doesn’t sound very human to me
that true
stop falsely advertising stuff btw, you guys see those numbers goin down, right?
does the new rift have no dialogue?
PLEASE fix your matchmaking balance. I should NOT be facing premade master teams with another plat on my team. That is not balanced in the goddamn least
PLEASE FIX THIS AWFUL RANKED MATCHMAKING 😩
nope
is the worst rift yet
Pls
Remove the purchase limit on the batman coins shop and add free gleamium as obtainable at the batman coins shop
Matchmaking is awful, lost 9 games in a row due to inadequate partner, I would typically take my lumps no problem but 9 different partners who lack to put up any damage in plat is terrible while the opposing team has no problem . I learn to really hate playing this game and the desire to return to playing wakens as this BS continues
it also appears i am not the only one with this issue I hope these messages are just lip service for PLAYER FIRST games
In the Black Lanterns Wonderwoman Superman node in the new rift, you need a Villainous variant on top of the Batman 85 variant restriction, so the only variant that fits this is Agent Smiths batman skin. Can we remove the Villainous restriction so we aren't forced to choose Agent Smith as one of our selected variant to complete this mission?
the other option is to go on a partner and be player two
so just like that you can choose any character you want
no restrictions
have a friend invite you, you can use that to bypass the restrictions
In the naptime is over rift, i cannot ignite Joker, or freeze beetlejuice. Please advise
I have no idea why, but my game keeps crashing on steam everytime I try to play the latest rift. otherwise when I play a different rift it works ok. I updated my drivers but the issue still persists
to ignite Joker you must use Bubbles's scream, that must reflect some attack of Joker that makes him burn, Beetlejuice is still an issue
Don't have images that broadcast things, that are either none existent or way different from what's actually in game.
*Moved from wishlist because it's more so feedback.
anyone know if they are gonna change up another shaggy skin on us? i was gonna get the shaggy/batman skin then i seen his shirt is yellow in a pic and it looks so gross i dont know if i should get it know seeing as they have done it before
#bringbackblueultshaggy
Nerf Beetlejuice Combo (jab Jab Down Attack to itself over and over)
It was an error they fixed late.
But if they do actually end up adding alt colors I hope they add Shaggy's 80's color scheme. (Red shirt, blue pants, & brown shoes)
can we please please please please zoom the camera out or have UI compensate for the zoom it is so extremely often that information is cut off by the zoom i literally die because i cant see a recovery option is still on cd
Also its odd so many jabs can hit you out of jump in alot of fighters most jabs are mids not highs and can be jump and that typically feels better in play
The game gets stuck on the loading screen that says account statement sync
use the powerpuff gems they have freeze and ignite
if so it would be a long running 1 for sure im pretty sure ive had Ultimate warrior shaggy since beta
I thought you meant the blue jeans Shaggy had lol.
A lot of team colors stuff got changed, because they switched to aggressive shaders instead.
i do think alt skins is the perfect solution to this just add both
i do agree^
I hope they add alt colors, it's legit a fundamental fighting game feature at this point.
I watched the beetlejuice movie because of the advertising in this game and I had fun watching the movie cuz i noticed the references they used in this game lol
He's bottom 3
Now that Samurai Jack can finally combo, it's time to make it so that he is more punishable
A cool system could be him losing focus if he whiffs attacks, and then having longer endlags until he builds focus back up to a certain threshold or something
Or just giving him a longer "on whiff branch window" while keeping the "on hit one" the same
Now that he's got options to play, it's only fair if you give people options to punish him if he gets greedy
Samurais are not fighters that go berserk and mindlessly attack after all
They are always depicted as having some finesse and elegance
please remove the tom and jerry paddle side b loop it's very disheartening to play against and it's absolutely unfair makes the game worse.
will we get more credits for the batman event? I don't understand why it's capped at 5
Love
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Crashing
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Store
Every
Update
Nope maybe in another event, but from the store no chance. Big brother Warner wants you to buy the rest if you want the skins.
Remove the purchase limit on the batman coins shop and add free gleamium as obtainable at the batman coins shop, thanks....
I'm happy I was able to get the classic animated batman skin/ the ww skin but I wish I was able to at least get two or more skins
We need to get our stuff with no problem, those limits are absurd
The hit air neutral attacks mission isn’t working for me
Design a decent stage map that doesn’t have some stupid bs hazard in it
Harley needs armor breakers.wonder women need to get nerf
Fix the doge there are not working some times
majorly buff Jason RAGE release right now it's the worse move in the game it legit does nothing right make it have a bigger radius and knockback the more you charge RAGE
Batman doesn't need a running i'm armor breaker
Why is batman so fast need to narf that
Remove the purchase limit on the batman coins shop and add free gleamium as obtainable at the batman coins shop
Shaggy needs a rework for his signature moves
Currently a glitch not allowing me to attack. Please fix its been going on for over 2 seasons
you guys giving leaver penalty in FFA when 70% of the lobbies are AFK farmers is definetly a choice not rooted in any form of logic since i assume theirs no plan to address afk farming cause yk, more work.
GAME IS PHUCKING ASSSSSSSSSS
buttercup laser is so slow and the hitbox is horrible
steven needs a rework for all air atacks, he is unhiteable and unwineable
hey is rift missions and tracking for it broken for anyone else?
no? i finished it already yesterday
thats odd. For me an example would be Damage not tracking properly. I got the enemy to well over 200 in a match vyt only 50 damage counted
please for the love of god place a ping indicator
removing the limit is not going to happen
I guess it's so I don't get a lot of skins, but that's the point of the event, didn't they give a lot of skins at the agent smith event or shark week?
... I know....
for real, they are just messing their game and I´m so sorry
for saying it like that, but it is like it seems to be
It would be better if the batarangs were only for the old Batman skins, that the rest were with the coins
I knowwww
What the frick was PFG thinking?
I want to believe that warner had a hand in the event because pfg already has a lot of good feedback from the events of s2
they did it that way, but it was limited and you didnt get to choose which
in this event is quite easy and fast (at least for me) to get money, in 2 weeks i can easily get all of it
so i can see why it is limited
take into account:
1.- not everyone has the opportunity to put money into the game
2.- the events gave 6 to 8 free skins, this is only 5
i have put 0 real life money in the game
and i dont have that much free time either
when i refered to money i was talkin about the batman coins
The point is that the skins are not worth it, it's like the drone circuit or matrix skins, you only get one or two to do the missions
not because of that they are just going to give away all of them easily
they are still going to monetize it
thats why its limited
Matchmaking is failing for me
They could have done something like put them at a high price, like the Rick and Morty 20-XXe skins
I'm not saying that it's wrong that they limit, I'm saying that it's wrong that they don't give any other way to get them other than spending money.
that was a bit different. it was limited to very few characters, the currency was harder to get, and the store itself was mostly gleamium
now all is purchaseable with the currency and easier to get, so thats why the limitation exists
they need to profit on the game, regardless if we like it or not
Dear PFG, NERF MORTY HARD PLEASE
This game is insanely broken. I queue into a game with a bugs bunny. He uses his rocket to send himself upwards, then burrows on the rocket. I can't see him anywhere, and I'm forced to wait the timer out.
Man there’s so many Button mashers in this game especially JOKER, Jack, Harley, Morty, STEVEN, Smith,Wonder Woman AND ESPECIALLY ARYA STARK!!!! NERF THE FOLLOWING PLEASE 🙏
nerf shaggy, buff Velma
Put of all the characters that need nerfs , ww fine
The best way to fix the ffa afk farmers is to switch it to stock lives
Or “Free stock”
Doesn’t anyone else think multiversus is becoming very Mashy lately?
They need to fix the damn matchmaking, How is it fair to fight with people in BRONZE as your teammate when the rest of the lobby is GOLD OR HIGHER???
Trust me I’m fighting against a diamond player
NERF SHAGGY, JACK, AND SMITH
characters that needs nerf:
steven, shaggy, wonder woman
morty
Batman needs a nerf ASAP as well
nerf batman nerf batman nerf batman
remove taz being able to keep using tornado on cooldown
like, why are we allowing batman to have 10 different moves that can confirm kills while also allowing him to have no end-delay frames on any of his attacks
Does anyone know why Batman himself isn’t a boost variant for the event but the 1989 skin and the other themed skins are?
you need to nerf Bugs already. braindead and one of the most unfun mind numbing characters to fight
Was playing fine, did a batman 85 rift and it had some error and now I can't connect all. Restarted the game, still can't connect
Finally got back in but that rift is completely broken. It's the batman 85 with wonder woman and superman. 3/4 of the time the match won't start at all with some error and when it does actually do the match none of the progress is saved at the end.
dont. let. diamond. users. play. gold
why am i diamond only playing gold, i rather not play at all if i play a sweaty gold user and only win 7 rp
Ranked is broke... I keep getting msg saying I D/C after I won my match and got time out three times in rows and lose my rp.... cmon...
Hey pfg instead of focusing on the batarngs crap
Why dont focus on a better thing
Like
Idk
MAKING A BETTER GAME
i climbed from diamond 3 to 1 in 30 matches because of this. I played ocassionally against some grand/masters too
i won a lot but some matches were difficult for only 8rp
Constant crashes and disconnects. I thought this was supposed to be fixed by now - we're in season 3.
game crashing every other game cant even finish a ranked match and it sometimes takes rp can we fix this please
Slash the prices for cosmetics in half, don't pack in useless garbage like gems,toast or event currency into bundles either... You're trying to CONVINCE people to buy cosmetics, not make them hate you.
Bro my game crashed 7 times in a row and I got a disconnect penalty because my game crashed how is this even on me
Also can you please give the Rick prime skin new animations at least please like evil Morty and new voice lines if not possible please just help me with the crashing
Is anyone else DCing from every single match?
This game crashes absurdly often now.
And now I am stuck disconnecting at the splash screen. Good deal.
Can we ask for compensation?
playing ranked is just rigged ur gonna lose rp 90% of the time even if you win
Bro i got disconnected from 5 ranked games in a row js losing rp back to back
Yep. They need to turn off penalties until their servers work right. My rank is constantly being screwed by the BS disconnects. Not a single other game I play has connection issues.
I don’t think they care tho
I won a whole set just for my game to disconnect and have me lose rp 🥰
I should not be fighting Diamond players in Gold
Just wait till you hit plat lol, I got pushed back to gold in 4 games
That's the thing, I don't think I even will
we're talking about pfg
having things not fixed is their specialty
Is anyones game working at all, I'm on PS4 and every time I load it up, it gets to the lobby and just crashes? Has anybody else encountered this
lower life into the mystery machine, it's basically an insta kill
Yea servers messing up for some rzn😩
That was happening to me on Steam. The game is currently, quite literally, unplayable for me.
bruh game is not connecting, and when it does, the game crashes after every match
Agent Smith 2nd best character in game right after Batman.
CAN THIS GAME STOP CRASHING FOR THE LOVE OF GOD
i see others are crashing as well, waiting on update
Crash crash crash
Yeah im either crashing or if I do get in a game , my character gets a weird lag while everyone else's plays normal / it won't let me do any charge attacks
game feedback? it sucks. so are we getting compensation for your garbage servers making me lose 40 rp after DC from games? i already gain only a whopping 7 points for a win 😂 that's the least yall can do. but let me guess you're gonna ignore your fans and act like nothing was wrong. it's really great winning 10 games in a row and getting 70 rp then losing 2 games and it's all gone. fix your system or compensate your players
cuz it need batman 85 tag?
note matchmaking is BS anyway lol
took me forever just to get a single match AS MASTER BRUH
and yes
i matched up more than 60 sec and i crashed
CUZ ITS NA/EU matches
@mossy hill that doesn’t make much sense as you could use beetle juice during his event for boosted xp so why would it not be the same for batman in his own event. Especially being his anniversary.
On the PlayStation, it keeps crashing
Its really dumb lol as Batman mains I thought we'd get something
the game crashed 2 times in the last 20 minutes? statement please
they did release one
"Smile and wave" that's their motto
its just not posted here for some reason
i feel like they dont really use the server for what its supposed to be used for
its happened a few times, they dont update the tweets channel, and i always keep forgetting
basically they just said they are aware and are working on it, 7 hours after it started happening lol
i hope people are getting paid for what they do and not their time cause some of the sht that we get is not a good product at all
unfortunate that you cant see specialized currencies (i.e. Bat tokens, Prestige Coins) while searching for a game 😦
Everyone is having server problems, reddit it blowing up, ranked is broken. This will be the 3rd night without a fix if nothing is done.
The moving version of the dexter map? just take it out permanently lmfao i dont know a single person who actually enjoys that map or add map voting (which is not likely)
their response was I see your problem and trust we'll fix. Same old same old
What's wrong with reddit? I don't use it but if it also experiencing issues maybe it has to do with each other
there's the DC problem and then there's the not getting any points despite winning problem
Can you please fix Rick’s portal gun I have tried teleporting to a safe area when on a ledge like 7 times and it shoots a portal on the other side doesn’t teleport me and then just goes on cooldown
so far the game has worked fine for me, not having any issues
so phucking tired of watching people attack, dodge and attack before i complete 1 phucking move, balance your stupid ass game
have never had such a miserable time trying to play, at this point i might as well uninstall because you guys apparently cant fix stuff thats been wrong since almost relaunch
What’s up with bigger characters attacks phasing through smaller bodies
it does make sense since beetle juice was UNDEAD TAG thats the reason they get tag regardless the skin while RN its batman 85 TAG
nvm the game is still crashing
Yall need to add an avoid option
I have a dumb question. The Iron Giant Batman 85 variant, Why does it not have a Batman logo instead of the Superman? Like that's the laziest stuff I've seen Oh wait no Look at Jake. HE JUST HAS A MASK AND NO RECOLOR.
The same for the power puff girls. YA KNOW YA COULDA RECOLORED THE CLOTHS BLACK WITH YELLOW
YA COULDA MADE JAKE THE BATMAN YELLOW
Anyone who defends this kind of lazy stuff deserves to be drained of their money. Like even in the artwork there's more detail like a mask strap and a better sword for Finn
When you look at the shop preview vs the actual Finn model it's just terrible. THEY GAVE HIM A YELLOW HAT. THEY DIDN'T GIVE HIM THE BLACK AND YELLOW BACKPACK and SHIRT.
Why advertise something that's not gonna look like that?
Finn has 3 versions, the one on the rift cover, the one on the event cover and the one on the store
Dude.... shop items should show their buy limit. I was going to buy a 4th credit for a legendary skin of Batman and now i cant because i alrady bough 5 credits, and nowhere showed this
i do have 2 bat skins but... dude, maybe i would have saved one for Batman
it is a dishonest showcase...
"Hey i can farm skins and also that cool legendary one! There is no limit!" .... "Wait, there is and nobody told us this"
I think TTD needs to be based on class
I think they should add all the static versions of Dexter's Lab 1 that we get to play in the rifts, and put those levels in 1v1 and 2v2 unranked. Those levels are fun and a lot less chaotic than the regular scrolling Dexter's Lab 1. Specifically that level where the roof and 2 platforms are orange until you press a button and they disappear and instead now the roof is open and there's 3 pillars to stand on. That would have been a fantastic map for playing 2v2 on. And that level with the tubes below and above you with a platform to the right, would probably make a good 1v1 level.
I know that sucks and all, but the button to buy the batarangs literally does say "limit of 5". And it was the same with the previous event tokens, they were all limited.
Not trying to be mean, just saying be a bit careful in the future. Read the fine print.
Well, that is counterintuitive. You expect a button of "buy" or "accept" to always show those labels, and the rest to be shown somewhere else. It is a basic thing for accessibility
it shows the limit
If you look at the buttons to buy things in the bat store, there is an orange label above the icons. That label states how long the event lasts, if the skin is event boosted, and if there is a purchase limit. For example Batarangs says "Limit of 5", Toasts say "Purchase limit of 10", and Fighter Coins say "Purchase limit of 30"
I know it really sucks to miss this, but at least now that you know you'll be prepared for it for the next event
Only me or does all inputs feel delayed?
OMG.... really
i will not miss it again, thanks, but it is still counterintuitive..... and small.....
if im not mistaken, the circuit event did not have the limit displayed, so it is a new thing
an orange label for the limit that is the info of skins at the same time and other info... confusing... and small
Nice to know....
Yeah for the circuit event it was a bigger shock that the tokens were limited since it didn't say anywhere, so when this event rolled around I was more prepared.
Im a game dev and if i create a shop i would use the great space of the shop buttons to put a "1/5 bought" very visible, as a side thing, not as a generic label that is used for other stuff too
i remember me being shocked too for that reason lol
What i think should be added in game and changed
*Character Rental: Rent a character for 1 to 3 days to fully try out in PvP with real players.
*Free Characters: New players should be able to pick a free character right at the start. This would help beginners who don’t have any characters yet get into the game more easily.
*Toast Back Button: Add a "toast back" option after someone toasts you.
*Event Currency: A system where event currency can be used to purchase an option more than once, such as for fighter currency being able to select a bulk amount at once.
*Rewards for High-Level Characters: Unlock a skin or item when reaching the highest level on a character as a reward for player progression.
*Better Developer Communication: More frequent and direct communication from developers regarding what they’re working on, instead of everything being a teaser.
*Increased Battle XP: Slightly increase the amount of battle XP earned from matches.
*Multi-Queue for Matches: Allow players to queue for multiple match types at once, this will be helpful for when even more game modes come out.
*More Stats in Career Menu: Add detailed stats for each character played, not just badges.
*Cosmetic Price Changes: Some cosmetics are priced too high for what they are (my full personal opinion here though).
*Stock Mode: Add a Stock life Mode like in Smash, or at least make it available in custom games.
*Prestige Store Sorting: Sort the Prestige Store either alphabetically or by price instead of randomly, as it will become too cluttered in the future.
*Ranked Mode Fixes: Ranked mode still has issues according to the community, i guess needs more fixing (but haven’t personally looked into it).
*Character Move Previews: Include small video previews of characters using their moves in the moveset menu, so players don’t have to enter training mode everytime to see what skill looks like.
*Match-End Bug Fix: Fix the bug where, after a match, all characters run off the stage
*Rift Requirements: Rifts shouldn’t require specific skins or characters to complete certain nodes.
*Text Chat in Main Menu: Add a text chat feature in the main menu for global chat to build community between everyone even more or just a chat option for the players in *your current game or just teammate your with in main menu (voice chat might be too much when in a match)
*Career Stat Rewards: Add more rewards for reaching certain total career stat milestones to reward players who have played a lot.
*Clan/Guild System: A clan/guild system would be a great addition. I heard it was in the works before, but I’m not sure what happened to it.
exactly, this would be a great idea to add to the shop
WW should not still be the easiest top tier in any plat fighter dawg for what reason did she get her cooldown removed
yall are actually insane refusing to nerf WW patch after patch despite her running every tourney, the problem isnt her armor its that she has no endlag and no whiff, massive hitboxes and damage
every match she's bordering 400 damage on average and theres something wrong with that for a tank
same exact problem for steven he's just as bad
You guys have had since the game came out to fix taz and you still haven’t. He has two move that make him almost invincible to any incoming melee attack making him hyper unfair against brawlers I play like garnet and Batman. Whenever I get a taz as my opponent I pretty much already accept defeat because the odds are that against me. You need to make it so one of them is nerfed heavily because the chaining potential is insane and makes it not a fun game to play. I’ve been trying to keep giving this game a chance every patch but very obvious exploitable move sets still exist since you guys took a year to roll the game back out with the same exact characters pretty much. Idk who does the game testing but fire them and if no one does start because if your game is who can out cheese it’s not a game it’s just meta research bs
please add a new perk atleast every major patch otherwise why do you keep adding perk currency as rewards?
why does batman dash attack kill at like 110 near ledge with a ridiculous ass angle LMAO
yeah its laggy and punishable but so are like 10 other char's dash attacks that do less on characters that have less like wtf are you doing
his down tilt is even worse, it kills at 80-90
and every batman is just fishing for a down tilt every moment they can get since it's a combo-starter
CAN. WE. MOVE. THE. MATCHMAKING. TIMER. SOMEWHERE. ELSE.
I have endured 4 months of stupid UI placement where I literally can't see my currency because I'm still searching for a match
Batman is brain dead lol. You just throw a move out and it connects anyway. Kills anyway.
Batman has the luxury of charging all his moves so he can never miss.
At the most, played like two matches and I’m done.
First played a sweaty Iron Giant.
And then of course of the many
Batman’s.
Ngl. Not fun.
Having a randomize option for account cosmetics would be nice since there's so many in the game now.
Delete FFA and replace it with the kart minigame
@mossy hill I’ll say no more about it but its pretty dumb why he isn’t a variant for it regardless of tags.
Powerpuff girls neutral ground upper is stupidly strong. I die at 80 damage when my character can at best start killing at 120. It’s super unfair and you’re killing your game with very unfair knock back values.
its his 85th birthday
Why tf does shaggy do so much knockback and have iron giant weight when he isn't even charged?
they're assassins thou... most assassins can get early kills, and even some bruisers
They weight so much aswell. Math isn't mathing
💸 basicly this
@sharp fjordis the server better than yesterday?
they don't, and their hurtbox is HUGE
I haven't played in a while
but I saw people complaining
Should be able to hit them while they fly towards you ngl
anyone else hate the batman event? seems like its souless and bland
please buff banana guard nair kick active frames it's insane how fast it goes away
Yeah. If they knew this event was going to be short they should’ve added a second rift that connected with the Powerpuff Girls.
no.
How to fix jack :
add true combo routes or decrease dodge influence. Increase the hitbox of uptilt. Rework the nair/decrease knock back for possible follow up attack. Add ground bounce on downtilt. Make iad grab true on every character. Fix the hitbox on his air down B, plus his Focus side B.
@umbral summit please😭
Dear PFG NERF BUGS BUNNY’s Entire Kit Please. the Bugs mains heavily Relay on Up Air and N-Air so much in order to win, Nerf it to the ground.
Make the kart minigame into a full mode (if you have to delete FFA so be it 🤣 )
I wonder when’s the next Wonder Woman Nerfs
Nerf Garnet or Fix the Lag stutters in matches
What’s wrong with garnet?
Glitch you into the attack on rank
So little reminder for PFG, Nerf Wonder Woman’s entire Kit because mashers will do anything to win with her and it’s unfair to everyone playing your game, just something to think about in the future patch notes.
Out Of every character that needs a nerf , She's not even that bad
We’ll see in the next patch
didn't the elo gain and loss thing get fixed?
I gain 10 points and lose 19 against people that are rated higher than me
didn't it get fixed?
was't this supposed to be fixed?
the "Midnight Showing" stage is so bad remove it or change it to a "normal" map
Me: a diamond rank
my teammate: a platinum shaggy
my opponents: two TTV grandmasters
Day 1 S3 of my wishes :
-
Replay feature
We can download video from our 20 previous matches for content, memorable and also as a proof clip about bug issue etc -
**Add Block feature **
-
**FFA with last man standing system **
Personally, i prefer with last man standing system instead of first to 3 points -
Increase slightly speed from the game
Even we got speed increased from "on the air" aspect. I think it's not enough, i think the game need a little bit increase slightly again 🤏 , step by step -
Add animation
when you knockback oppt at high damage, so it'll be look more epic and dramatic -
Tournament Mode
knockout system and winner final and loser final into grand grand final system -
Make all Stages a bit bigger
And also for ranked mode, add new stages like
-> Scooby Doo Mansion without roof and wall
-> Dexter Lab without plat
-
Camera Adjustment
Make camera on all stages in pvp mode little bit wider or zoom out -
Voice Chat and Emote setting
Add voice chat feature and allow players to mute it especially from opponent. And also allow players to mute emote sticker from opponent. -
Toast
Increase Toast currency from 1 Toast = 5 FC --> 1 Toast = 10 FC
And allow players to toast more than 1 toast to other player at the same time (Example A gives 5 toasts to B in one match ) -
Text Chat with Friend In Game
-
"Region Setting"**
I wish we can match up only against same region, because me who from Asia region got crash issue against players mostly from NA/EU, like this clip :
#off-topic message
Finally have time to get on MVS… instantly get matched up with a Batman that does an infinite combo…… totally discouraging and enraging.
Dying at 39% because of stupid broken juggles and dying at same percent from combo strings is nasty.
I’m am a huge Batman fan
But I am SICK of Batman
He’s 90% of the matches I play.
Where’s the hot fix on that?
It’s honestly a big joke. Because of “Batman Day” so “let’s make em broken guys. Don’t like em? Play em. Get over it.” Is what it feels like…
meanwhile im in here sitting where tf is velma range buff
her range is too shorts for close range combat lol
with how tons character has better range than her
steven Sair is even larger than hers
Why when I jump dodge cancel does it feel like invincibility frames disappear?
Wow
The game feels so slow. Players can dodge attacks 100% by just not engaging running back
welp i like how none complained how broken is WW perk that pulled her forward
it just gave her ability to passive gaming lol
Yeah things like that don’t help the passive gameplay.
And the “running” or “dashing” looks like walking
Why can you die at 0% from Bugs safe spike?
So cheese
Honestly
They need to make a cheese taunt lol
Instead of salt
I feel like there’s so much annoying things about this game it’s hard to see the things I like.
It’s just all in the way
Hitbox and Hurtbox issues. Is probably my biggest concern rn.
After that it’s continuing to make the gameplay feel better.
And yes. I just hopped off. Died to another Batman at 70 %. It’s just not fun. Especially when you get hit by an attack that doesn’t even connect visually.
Agent Smith needs to be toned down too.
That or make every other character insane. Which isn’t even realistic.
Give all chars same treatment like Batman
garnet would like some too tbh
more to gave her a further dodge
i just notice after beating this 1 plat garnet
their dodge short AF
got punished by me alot cuz of that
i think here is the idea : shorter dodge has longer invisibility frame rather further dodge
like example character that has short dodge range like garnet has longer invisibility frame
I wish they do
but, for now i think Garnet doesn't need buff/nerf for while
while character like morty only has brief invisibility for has longest dodge
hows thats the idea for dodge changes
give all chars same treatment batman
prioritize on low tiers, if it's possible
since some people complained garnet dodge so short
velma is main prior
same like marvin
like sure those 2 are fine for momment but they arent actually
lebron prob keep it his way cuz i seen cracked lebron
can yall pls fix the matchmaking, like its unplayable, me and my friends started playing yesterday, and we were going against bots. today we logged on and we were going againt people who played for 2 years nonstop. like how is it fair, new players vs ppl who has more than 1k wins a charather.
we will js quit cuz theres no fun in that bro, i wanted to try this game for years and when i finally have the chance. its just ass cuz of the matchmaking. thanks for reading.
How to fix jack :
Day 2
add true combo routes or decrease dodge influence. Increase the hitbox of uptilt. Rework the nair/decrease knock back for possible follow up attack. Add ground bounce on downtilt. Make iad grab true on every character. Fix the hitbox on his air down B, plus his Focus side B.
@umbral summit please😭
also they havent fix the server issue where asia crashes against NA.EU
PLEASE PFG THIS IS NECESSARY
we are struggling to matched up in there
Constant bugs, constant hitbox/hurtbox/desync issues, and the worst matchmaking of any game I've ever played. Can't imagine why this game only has 1500 steam players playing at any given time on average
Doesnt count ps players amd xbox players
In didn't say it did and what's your point? The numbers are still abysmal for steam and it's unlikely consoles are much better
I mean the 1500 players
Ofc steam almost dead
I was pointing to the only 1500 steam players not the bugs hitbox hurtbox issue
I felt if you count all devices they have around 5k prob but majority is in Na/EU lol
Yeah but I specifically said 1500 steam players. Like it specifically says steam and the ps and Xbox numbers aren't public so I don't get why ppl bother constantly responding with "that doesn't count ps and xbox" as though it is meaningful in any way
And trust me i face diamond (double diamond) as gold 2v2 lol (my random even a gold(
The reason matchmaking work like that cuz extended seaeching for players route
Which extended the range u can face
For the hurtbox issues... welp idfk anymore what they cooking
No it's not. It's just awful matchmaking. My match times are often less than 15 seconds and the matchmaking is still garbage
Meanwhike mine took like 5 minutes just to lost entire progress...
Maybe even more
Like it will search for a whole 15 seconds and decide to put 2 bronze vs 2 plats
Yeah it's just so bad
But lost the rest cuz this random BA cant do anything and died early twice
First attempt to play for the day and the game crashed. Quality
Why doesn't Death Metal Batman have glowing eyes?
put sky arena back to no plats in ranked, nobody asked for this
remove reindog from the game.
So on console I was 10k as power puff girls ranked, so we at some point had 10k players play ppg.
I'm contrast I played one game as reindog and landed in his top 500 ...
lmao yeah that was ridiculous cant even touch him
I, as a player currently in bronze, should NOT be paired against a player who was TOP FIVE IN SEASON ONE FIX THIS GARBAGE RANKED MATCH MAKING PLEASE
Something needs to be done about Taz…just saying
I haven't played for a week since I was just busy doing other things, but I did think that this season was going to be a huge improvement than last season, but when I signed in today I let out the deepest sigh ever. Seeing the batman 85th anniversary shop just made me lose all faith in this season. It is such a grindy, repetitive system to get rewards in the game compared to season 1, and it just really makes me not want to play anymore. Along with Nubia being added without any actual reason, for at least this season, it feels like im being more obligated to play the game than actually enjoying what I am doing
CHANGE 2V2'S TO A STOCK SYSTEM IM TIRED OF TRASH TEAMATES!
Please revert Batman back to what he was before
If you could make any changes to events , what would you change?
Tbh for a freemium game this has been the most generous one I've played , are the event's grindy? Yeah but no where near as bad as some others since every freemium game has some type of grind to it . The grind for this event isn't even that bad , even then it was worth it since I got a free $20/$5 skin .
HELLO MVS TEAM
I would like to ask for a new possible combo route for Harley Quinn after playing around and seeing how the new tech comes into the game
Some of the cast right now feel really powerful when you get hit by them,
Example
Shaggy
Jab, jab, down attack, Dodge cancel, jab jab up special
Batman
Jab, jab, down attack, neutral attack, Dodge cancel, jab, jab, up special
Super man
Jab, jab, down attack, Dodge cancel, jab, jab, jab, up attack
LeBron
Jab, down attack, Dodge cancel, jab jab up attack
Garnet
Jab, down attack, Dodge cancel, jab, up attack
Agent Smith
Jab, jab, down attack, Dodge cancel, jab, jab, up attack, up-air
Other characters can probably do this same thing but as of right now Harley Quinn cannot
I feel like too many Harley Quinn try to fish for hammer as their main kill option, however I would like to see hammer being used as one of Harley's combo tools instead by adjusting the knock back of hammer to allow it to ground bounce the enemy which would allow Harley to perform these same Dodge cancel combos that these other characters who deal higher damage then Harley can already do
Example
Harley
Jab, jab, neutral attack, Dodge cancel, jab, jab, down attack, up attack
Would be the desired combo route I would like added to Harley Quinn next patch
Her bomb has been glitched since launch making it difficult to attach the bomb after making contact with either a platform or the bomb just straight up not attaching at all even without not touching a platform with it.
Since I doubt the bomb will get fixed I would really like to see this combo route added to Harley Quinn as I feel too many Harley's are using the grounded version of hammer as a kill option
Harley being such a light character is also feeling a little weak in 2v2s where as in 1v1s she feels strong
However in 2v2s it's harder to avoid taking damage and Harley being tied in lightest in the game doesn't help her
So I'd like to see her gain an additional combo route
Harley already has great combo potential but I feel she has to work way harder than some other characters who don't need to relay on combos
i second this 👆
dropped harley because of the amount of nerfs she's getting and how much more she has to do to get an advantage as opposed to basically most other characters in the cast.
She hasn't really gotten anything tangible to compensate for her nerfs since launch, so it's tough for Harley out there. Her bombs not working also just made me drop her, they're extremely inconsistent and hard to set up with, same with down special.
I just think it should be reverted back to how season one was, where you just got a reward from the event for just doing the missions that it gives you, instead of now how the missions almost feel like a waste due to how little exp you get from them.
Bro make a fixed amount of rp gain/loss that only judges on your rank vs your opponents and nothing else
What’s so hard about this
Losing max rp from diamond 1 when you are diamond 5 is crazy #clips message
He might aswell be masters and I just got into diamond
Remove Watertower from both Normal and Ranked queue, worst map in the game by a longshot.Playing Iron Giant is literately a guaranteed loss on this map
No, no no no and no
even i lost max RP against master 3 lol (im master 5)
It should be common sense to implement a rule where you only lose max RP if your opponent is a whole rank below you
i lost 19 regardless their rank lol
even i lost 16 against GM
you heard me
GMS
💀 damn
I just hit Gold. My first game was against a Diamond 1 Black Adam :l. He us on the edge of masters by a couple rp. What tf is this
Bring back free movement after the match is over. If this is a bug, PLEASE fix it.
With how it was before people were getting random rewards but at least now you're able to pick and choose what you'd like and if you think about it , with how they're doing event rewards now, we're getting way more out of it then how it was in season 1
While that is true, I'd just rather get some random skin after getting on and playing for like 15 minutes for like 4 days then having to put like a lot of the time into the game when I could be doing something else. Also having a variant boost just seems really greedy imo for events as well. It feels like the only way to progress in the event is to have the variant boost to actually get a decent amount of xp
All I had to do was some of the objectives for the rift event and I was able to get a variant for that boost. So the variant boost isn't behind a pay wall so I personally don't have an issue with it.
Maybe in the future they can have it to where at the start of an event like for the daily reward , it can be a random event skin so 1. You can get a random skin from the start and 2. You'll have access to that variant boost from the start .
Although it was nice to just log in an get the event reward but with how it was , you'd have to get lucky to get an event skin for a character you like so at least now you're able to choose .
Ideally I think if we did get best of both worlds it would be that every daily log in , you'd get and event credit so you can pick your skin
that would probably be better than both of the things they've done so far
I got past that part and sighed after playing 5 Batman players in a row.
losing 19 rp to a diamond one when im in diamond 2 is crazy, wtf is with this trash ass ranked system
but if i beat a diamond i get 10 rp, it doesnt make any sense
Please makes online casual to be able to play together on the same system
game is ass
being punished for landing attacks and dodging the enemy because the character is too slow, only character i want to play and she feels butchered in most of my matches
We need to actually buff TnJ or remove that anti jump after paddle. its literally making the attack useless and makes you just a sitting duck
Ngl with how weak TnJ is rn I'm refusing to play the game anymore
There isn't a character I enjoyed playing as much as TnJ and it is butchered literally. Now he feels sluggish, and because of this nerf he literally can't go into ANY combos and just camp. This is not why I play the character and I'll literally just uninstall until one day hopefully this is fixed. Leaving in Jokers infinite combo, WonderWomans op attacks and superman as it is, creating an op batman and all these other issues, but something where petty people just complain over like the paddle which WASN'T even strong, gets nerfed. This game is doomed cause they are listening to the wrong people, and leaving in the dark the right ones. Just look at Taz and Marvin how strong and OP they are and how everyone begs for a rework and they don't. Look at how Velma is basically just a punching bag with glasses. I'm sad cause I love this game, well... Loved. Cause its unfortunate how much they don't care about the actual fun and balancing of the game.
I CANT rank up, IM ONLY playing gold, this is so annoying
yeah i lost to someone higher than me in rank and lost 19 rp, not playing ts until next patch, this rank system is terrible
looks like the disconnect thing is not solved
I just had it happen to me
with video proof and stuff
what happened with weekly updates man
The Batman event has been pretty good ive been having a lot of fun playing i finally got batman master rank even! But i believe it could be better when it comes to skins, i originally saw the batman mask that was put on the characters and thought all skins would look like the ppg one(og skin with mask on) but then i thought being able to switch which skin the mask was on would be cool, something like return superman with batman mask.
Then after playing during spooky month and seeing shaggys all black skin definitely being the best outfit i thought it could be way better if they dressed up like batman instead. Shaggy is the perfect example of how it should look just with a yellow bat symbol on the chest same with the rest, ppg being the best example of them with all 3 girls being all black chest with yellow bat symbol it would look like they all dressed as batgirl (you can still tell apart because of hair etc.) and that would be such a cool costume vs what we have 😦
bonus skin jason is perfect to dress as the red hood with the classic brown jack and red mask it would be sweet
thats a lot
Played two 2v2 ranked matches as reindog and I'm ranked # 1400 already lul
No one plays that char I guess. Which is funny cuz I had top dmg and least deaths for every round of those matches
I imagine someone who mains them would be really strong
it should be that way with everyone< all are good u just gotta learn them
For sure
das a comma^
I like the game, but the lag is unbearable sometimes
Batman is seriously not ok, he has WAY too much range, his projectiles are overpowered, his hitstun doesn't exist, he does WAY too much damage on his dash attack considering it's a multi hit, and overall annoying when played against a passive player
Why is there even a purchase limit of 5 for batman 85 credits
Unless that's just for the day
It makes no sense
With how long the shop is going to stay open for. I'm sure there's going to be more events that help you earn more of the batman 85 credits, kinda like how they did it last season
I can understand that
It just sucks cause I had a lot of credits
I cannot stand facing the same people back to back when there was no rematch. Fix the lag. Fix ranked. Fix the damage coding. Jesus Christ…😒
Day 3 S3 of my wishes :
-
Replay feature
We can download video from our 20 previous matches for content, memorable and also as a proof clip about bug issue etc -
**Add Block feature **
-
**FFA with last man standing system **
Personally, i prefer with last man standing system instead of first to 3 points -
Increase slightly speed from the game
Even we got speed increased from "on the air" aspect. I think it's not enough, i think the game need a little bit increase slightly again 🤏 , step by step -
Add animation
when you knockback oppt at high damage, so it'll be look more epic and dramatic -
Tournament Mode
knockout system and winner final and loser final into grand grand final system -
Make all Stages a bit bigger
And also for ranked mode, add new stages like
-> Scooby Doo Mansion without roof and wall
-> Dexter Lab without plat
-
Camera Adjustment
Make camera on all stages in pvp mode little bit wider or zoom out -
Voice Chat and Emote setting
Add voice chat feature and allow players to mute it especially from opponent. And also allow players to mute emote sticker from opponent. -
Toast
Increase Toast currency from 1 Toast = 5 FC --> 1 Toast = 10 FC
And allow players to toast more than 1 toast to other player at the same time (Example A gives 5 toasts to B in one match ) -
Text Chat with Friend In Game
-
"Region Setting"**
I wish we can match up only against same region, because me who from Asia region got crash issue against players mostly from NA/EU, like this clip :
#off-topic message
the game should have in-game tourneys similar to how fortnite had a world cup. your placement in the tourney can then be showcased on your profile. this would attract lots of people to the game, including people who quit just to see how they place
it could work like this:
- you are given 2 weeks or so to sign up for the tourney via a button on the front page
- if you sign up for 2v2, you are then asked to select your teammate. if your teammate selects you, you're locked in. you can cancel your request until your teammate selects you, then it locks for both of you. if you sign up for 1v1, you do not need to worry about this
- once the tourney begins, you are given a deadline to play your qualification seed matches (10 matches)
- the qualification round will rank everyone based on performance. let's say 5k ppl sign up for the solo tourney - the system would eliminate the bottom 904 players because they cannot be placed properly in the elimination round, which would start with the top 4096 players playing 2048 matches. there'd be one elimination round per day or every 2 days, and if you do not play your scheduled match it's considered a forfeit.
- in the previous example, there'd be 4096 players in elim round 1, 2048 in round 2, 1024 in round 3, 512 in round 4, 256 in round 5, 128 in round 6, 64 in round 7, and so on until we reach the final match
also getting 10-30 rp per match when i am gold/plat against dia/master players makes it so arduous to rank up
This is a small thing, but can "Karate Chaos Tom & Jerry" have the "Sports Attire" tag?
They already have a few skins with that tag, but martial arts is sport too.
nerf the active time of finns armored buns he doesnt need to be able to get it twice a stock and make himself almost permanently immune to projectiles
Can we get some kind of way to communicate with friends added? some ideas; adding discord to players profiles, lobby chat, maybe just a msg system that's only allowed with added friends. idk but I personally think an option to add your discord account to be visible for friends would be easy to add
Why am I playing grand masters in rank when I can even get out of diamon IV can we get a patch for the rank cause these are just bad matchs up then you expect me to win with plat 5? like how is that a fair match?
BROOOOO
WHY AM I GETTING PAIRED AGAINST A MASTERS?!?!?!
What's literally the point of having 7 tiers of Match making if you're just gonna be paired against the strongest tier anyway?
I really want a text chat/voice chat with friends/party members
that's not even the worst part, if you win against them, you only get 35 points
I beat a guy that was 1700 points above me and only got 35 points, because beating someone that is supposed to be a lot better than you is somehow worth the same as someone a couple of divisions above you
like there needs to be something to account for these edge cases
anyways, it would be nice to have a text chat option for friends
so you can go like "dude, that was so fun"
i wish that too because i think not all players know about this MVS discord
that's why text chat/VA in general and also in friend chat are one of best things in the game imo
or stuff like that
or so you can tell them how to reach you outside of the game
so you can say "let's play on Tuesday at [insert time] or something"
also, I just want the 85 Smith skin without the mask or glasses, that would be hilarious
hope you devs have the day you deserve
so a nice day then
they deserve a nice day
so they are more motivated to put out a banger in the midseason patch
If thats what they deserve then i hope so too
Please, reduce Smith's side special hitbox, it should not hit from his body.
I really don’t think you 🤡 know what a hit box is at this point. It’s one of the biggest things killing this game. The absolute inconsistency of everything we see. Get your 💩 together please. Sell out to epic if you need the money. Cause this loop of inconsistency is destroying this game
I hate reindog
looks like the servers were in fact not fixed
Just so everyone Knows FFA is beyond Glitchy and could crash your game
Anyone else feel like the batman coin shop skins are pretty meh? I bought 1 skin so I'd have it for missions and events that require it but I've got almost 20k more to spend but the vast major of the options are basic and uninteresting
My favorite one was for wonderwoman , I used the last 4 credits to get the animated batman skin
They should add a grandmaster rank for each character
my game crashed
can I stop getting laggy games for once?
like can I have 1 non-laggy game please?
at least 1
that's all I'm asking for
1 single game where it doesn't run worse than Smash servers
nerf that mf called batman
idc if it is his anniversary
it's just awful to play against him
can I play a single game where my opponent is not experiencing quantum superpositioning like they are a freaking electron
So why did I just face off against the #7 grandmaster when I’m in Platinum?? 🙄
at least you are getting decent connections
all my games
the opponent keeps rubberbanding
seriously though, pretty much all my matches felt like they were supposed to be a freaking demo of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle or something
CAN YOU PLEASE NERF MORTY
LIKE
REALLY REALLY NERF HIM
leave him like banana guard
I don’t understand how you take a break to “fix” your game and it’s even worse matchmaking horrible rp horrible Steven busted Morty busted no cool down on Marvin ww faster than the whole roster agent smith having so much priority gizmo killing at 43 stripe busted LeBron having 6 balls on the stage samurai side special spam like how is this acceptable. Just take another break and fix the game but Frs this time and add characters that ppl really want no one asked for nubia and get rid of garnet shield
I’m tired of going against plats put me against gm or masters I feel bad for the other guys
please add local online for casual , doesnt make sense why it doesnt have it in the first place
we already have that Local mode
Besides the obvious hitbox, connection issues, lack of defense universally, one of my biggest gripes with the game is perks. Now im all for customization, assuming it can separate itself from other perks. Problem is, locking it behind currency. Why must we grind our damn soul just for the sake of a perk or two. And the worst part of it all is that it's not even unlocked universally. You have to purchase every single perk for every character. Of course im referring to the team strong and normal perks, especially since a lot of them dont do much. Like why are we locking troll tactics individually. If there's going to be customization we should at least have an easier time getting that customization.
Local mode for 2's casual online
local is a thing
Black Adam avatars and profile banners are lacking. Plz add more options
translate the Rowdyruff Boys into Latin Spanish
THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THIS WEEK I'M FIGHTING AGAINST A MASTERS, WHY IS THE MATCHMAKING PAIRING ME WITH HIGH TIERS INSTEAD OF PEOPLE WHO'S ON MY LEVEL
my biggest issue is getting invited while in a game but then when you inv the friend they're most likely in a game so someone has to wait. also kinda hate when someone invites me to rifts when i'm locked in for pvp games
You know what would be nice?
To have a system like some games like OW
When you look at your friends list
right
If your friend is online
something lol
It has a small thing that says stuff like "Competitive in Game"
"Competitive In Queue"
And so on
hopefully one day
So they can know that you are in game and can't get the notif or something
i never even realized that this game doesnt have that.... what the flop
Also, they need to do something about the servers, after 1.05 they got worse
true that would be so helpful
In 1.04 and before, the servers could desync, but it ran better
I've been fine lately server wise
Yesterday, it was unplayable
I had to lower some setting on pc though bc I started crashing more
Like my opponents became a Quantum Physics demo
They would teleport all over my screen
I don't mind that, the problem is that the inputs stopped working as well
You know how frustrating it is
To hit a kill move
And then get a rollback?
when i lag the game just freezes then speeds up
Like for example, hitting a Smith side B against someone at 130 damage on the edge of the stage
Basically a guaranteed kill
oof
what system are u on?
I just hopped on today I'm only 2 matches in though
So it's either my opponents being on wifi or the servers running worse
Speaking of
Why did they not add the wifi indicator from beta?
I wasn't on beta much till the end
Heck, MK has a system for this type of thing, if your opponent is on wifi
switch crossplay off
You get a message that tells you that, and have the option to not play that match
With no penalty for not playing it
I had to do that when ffa dropped
Yeah
Competitive play should force LAN connections
You can't have a competitive experience without a level playing field
right
And unstable connections give you an unfair advantage
I would've been a higher rank last season withought the disconnects
btw why are ppl with like 10 wins such a higher rank last season lol I was doing dmg
I had 200+ wins but was in gold 4 lol
I had to get like 700 wins to reach Masters
1s
In South America, you would literally win 5 points per game after platinum
And lose 20 if you lost 1 single game
You needed 4 wins to make up for a single loss
the rp switches while the season was going was crazy lol
It's better but still not good enough
what're you ranked rn?
This season, while climbing back, I was at 1900 points, I beat a guy that was 3600 and it only gave me 35
Rn, D5
Dropped from D3 because of A TON of disconnects
dang
Like literally 2 out of 3 matches, server issues
wanna try a priv match and see if it lags you still?
Not at home rn tho
Please multiversus devs give us 5 more Batman credits I will love you 4ever
stacking up on skins huh
at least 7 or 8, 5 is very little
I would if I wasn’t limited to only 2 skins in the event shop
FIX THE CAMERA
Thanks pfg for giving me a penalty
Because your servers are made of crap that matchmaking failed
No im wrong
Im insulting crap for comparing it with pfg
bro local mode for 2's online... 2 people can play together in the system while vs other people online
2v2
Bundles losing their discounts when you already have stuff from them was a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad change.
Also thank you for the free skin tokens, that was a terrific, honorable, not bad, very good change.
Lowkey yall should make a community poll on what characters to add to the game so yall wont add people mfs don’t ask for
Purchase limit using bat currency is stupid and should be remove. why not reward players that play alot?
I feel that I might be the one of the only few people here who feels that The Powerpuff Girls need some form of damage nerfs on ground mainly because they can rack up over 30 damage extremely easy at 0% so these are my suggestions for them when Season 4 begins.
Ground Side Attack 2
•Damage reduced from 5 to 4.1
Ground Up Attack
•Damage reduced from 13.2 to 9.2
•Knockback greatly reduced
Ground Down Attack
•Damage reduced from 12.1 to 8.3
•Hitstun slightly reduced
•Whiff recovery increased by 3 frames
Dash Attack
•Damage reduced from 11 to 8.8 (also applies to Rainbow Dash Perk)
•Knockback angle adjusted so that opponents are sent diagonally
•Whiff recovery increased by 4 frames
Air Neutral Attack
•Damage reduced from 9.9 to 9.0
•Whiff recovery increased by 2 frames
Air Up Attack
•Damage increased from 4.4 to 7.6
Air Down Attack
•Animation altered so that the attacker no longer bounces up on whiff
Air Up Special
•Damage increased from 8.8 to 10.8
•Knockback angle adjusted so that opponents are sent upwards
they are literally the bottom characters in 1s and this guy wants to nerf everything on them... sigh
43.4% winrate with 6.3% pickrate
They are better than Jake in just about everything. Besides, they shouldn't be doing this much damage with such ease.
if doing damage doesn't win fights, it doesn't matter
Their Ground Up Attack is absurd in its current state, it literally has no weakness. Its the move I want toned down more than some of my suggested nerfs for the girls.
it does have a big weakness... it drops enemies a lot
it's not as consistent as you might think
have you played them?
It does equally as much knockback as Shaggy's Ground Uppercut, has fast startup and multi hits allowing it to go through armored moves.
One more thing about Jake is that I wanted him to be exciting to use and rely less on Bite, but it's almost like he keeps getting worse with each patch, so don't be upset if some of these suggested notes for the PPG are a reality. Its really rough being a Jake supporter in this game these days, but I'm not gonna stop using him because he's my favorite Adventure Time character.
imo, the problem is the power gap between characters... I really don't think PPG are strong, but I also don't think Jake is strong either...
both sould be buffed
Shaggy can get 30 in one hit lol
PPG not only ones that have a actual decent combo ya know
Bring back move staleness. This spam meta you've created will be at least a little weaker with move staleness.
Also can we get over the hate for joker and kill some of his overly punishing whiff lags??
Please for the love of fairness.
I'm Gold 1, i shouldn't be fighting a diamond player 
I get MMR matchmaking but PLEASE
Can you put the purchasable Glemium back in the Batshop and take off the limits of the bat tickets. If we can still earn batcoins we are restricted on what can be purchased in the shop
Black Adam a tank now?
Bruh…. Im platinum V. Why the heck am I matched with #3 Iron Giant? 
I just die at 47 lol
can they nerf jab jab side special jason spam??
its really spammable
like the grab already pain to dealt with
cuz the armor
then he also has armor on N speacial
Advertise cool skin releases and stuff like Marvin's new fugelhorn taunt being fully music note customizable! How is this not advertised?1
gut black adam this lame asf characters TOD ladder is broken
lmao always been
Powerpuff Girls level needs to be able to exceed Lv 16!
i mean my vema level 36 🤣
I know levels can go higher but the Powerpuff girls level doesn’t go past 16 for some reason
remove bots when im MASTERS one, im playing straight bots in 2v2s
i want to play real people
either bugged or just need more exp
you should nerf lebron
like
when he tosses a ball
he can't get it back
since it's just stupid
to camp on the same ball over and over
Definitely bugged
That requires rage though. Besides his kick really isn't as good in 1s as it is in 2s.
A multi-billion $ company resorting to using AI generated voice to introduce a brand new character into their game is beyond imberassing.
What a joke WB is
Hey can someone explain the new rp System to me? I got two 40s in Master two then when I got to Master 1 its just 2 and 3 back to back, against Master 1 players or diamond.
Ive been only getting 2 for 7 matches now
@viscid pike i gain 40 tho
Against plat 5...?
But gsin 3 against master 1 somehow tf
Since when, did you get any 40s in the last couple of minutes or since last hour?
Is there any Support I can talk to about the rank system?
Im so confused
check #off-topic
This may sound like begging, but Gizmo seriously needs a buff or two. Why can you only do another attack after the animation is done for the first one? I know gizmo needed nerfs but this is just unfair. Every other character can do combos fine while with gizmo you have to immediately dodge after the attack is done to get back into the combo.
Add the "Roudy ruff boys" (los chicos cocosos latin) spanish dub
The developers should fix the random crashing during 2v2s and 1v1s because it's always kicking me out of the game and giving me disconnect penalty
Rn I shouldve gotten 560 rp from my 14 wins, but apparently rp boost doesnt work for me lol and i only got 3 per win. Thanks for ruining my journey to grandmaster pfg
fix the connection, it is incalculable the number of times it crashes just when I'm winning or I'm on a precipice causing my ribal to rise
when is halloween or another event gonna happen? i dropped the game during th batman event
nerf morty, he seriously needs a nerf
when next event
It's supposed to be after the Galaxy Brains event, first is the Day of the Dead event and then the crossover skins.
whens the galaxy brains event?
5 days
bet ty
It will be on Tuesday next week along with the Nubia event
Please add a Dash Attack key bind and fix the camera is so damn close to the characters especially when you play small fighter like gizmo, ppg. Also make the game more faster not that exagerated like beta, but faster.
They are testing 1v1 for speed, they are trying to find a midpoint between the beta and the current 2v2
events are every 2 ish weeks
characters that need a nerf for this patch:
ww
superman
batman
morty
smith
jack
maybe adam
buffs
banana
the rest intact for now
nerf morty upair this move should not be killing extremely early while being able to confirm into it and also spam it
also remove the hitstun of his grenades
yeah fr grenades are way too strong
what if I told you that BG is currently top 2 in 1s, with 59.9% winrate and 2.5% pickrate
Does Morty's Earth move even need 2 stacks of weakened at this point? He'd still be real good if it was reduced to 1 stack of weakened.
Jack doesn't need a nerf lol.
IF PFG doesn’t Remove Charging N-air Moves on Steven Universe And Harley Quinn, there’s No point in Playing Multiversus Because O M G, Learn to do anything else beside Spamming N-Air and Rarely using you normal and special Moves!
mvs players when they realize jack side special is really easy to dodge
Thank you! This guy gets it
aerials in this game are good but ground gameplay is pretty lame, jabs are strong and combo into an nair is so easy, they need to balance air and ground gameplay
Its honestly one of those moves that harder to deal with in 2s than 1s.
remove iron giant from the game if youre just going to nerf them all the time, he doesnt belong here
Give Shaggy more Damage and Longer Side B Range for his normal Version
These got nerfed because he was one of the busted characters since closed testing it likely won't happen
Even as it is people still spam the move and it has great kill power still
Please give players like 5 free "back out of this game without penalty" a day for ranked. The amount of damn times I've been paired against or with someone I know is not going to be a fun or fair game at all and the only way for me to skip that game is to alt+F4 and get a -10 penalty so I don't have to get a -16 penalty is unreal
Never say never, it could be a little bit of a damage and distance buff so it’s not really broken
Personally I still think he needs to be nerfed but let me tell it or make the changes him and all the dc characters would get nerfed
Please bring back endgame taunting
and teabagging
it was fun
and you clearly promote toxic player behavior with the emotes anyway
let us have fun
I don't mean to be rude 😂
I'm just saying my thoughts I'm not tryna put you down or nothing. If he gets the buff good for you and the other shaggy players
I'll be mad af but this game ain't made just for me
Thank you so much for fixing the rp. Losing isn’t as horrible anymore! Now just fix the matchmaking 😅
Open beta UI was better then now. We need change options
how
we are still 3 season
and you still dont fix the iron giant
aaa
but charging 5 bucks for tiny reskins you're very good at
When do they fix the servers? Those little lag jerks and game crashes are somewhat annoying
remember when agent smith was a well balanced character, good overall
now the team had the brilliant idea to buff him so he would be annoying as ever
good job pfg
good job as always
its just his wall the major problem for early kills
the earth wall, the hammer morty, the character moves very fast, has very spammable attacks
wall is more spammable than hammer i felt
dirt, grenades, fire, easy that he runs away
they have car for recover too