game-feedback

[wheat pecan]

which has your rank on it...?

like you are ranked 1100 out of 5 million

[tired remnant]

dropped to 1,400 from 900 cause of one match

[wheat pecan]

they need to remove this leaderboard from quick play

also hide MMR and make it invisible

so people cant see it on tracker.gg

[paper kestrel]

its 13 million by the way

[paper kestrel]

why??? would they do that

[wheat pecan]

because its quick play, not ranked

[paper kestrel]

you guys are a shame of your leaderbords rank ?

its not rank its a leaderbords. with the rank you will have a '' rank title'' like gold diamond etc

[wheat pecan]

there shouldn't be anything to strive towards in terms of ranking up in quick play, it should be random matchmaking without any reward or rank adjustments or mmr adjustments that you can see

[tired remnant]

ya ngl that was a stupid take

[wheat pecan]

bro it is the same thing

[paper kestrel]

Why do you care about it then ?

[tired remnant]

not it isnt...?

[paper kestrel]

just dont look at it maybe ?

[wheat pecan]

because it's there? It's literally on your profile ingame?

[tired remnant]

Ya close your eyes when your on the page

[paper kestrel]

so dont look at it if it make you mad

[wheat pecan]

how about you close your eyes when you lose so you dont see yourself go down 300 ranks down, smartass

[paper kestrel]

to see you go down 300 you gotta go and look at it

so dont lol

[wheat pecan]

not really, you can go and change your avatar and still see it

because its literally there staring at you

[paper kestrel]

its like passing by your microwave and check the hour you dont have too

its your choice

[wheat pecan]

these stupid takes, i can't

[paper kestrel]

then dont

I like your pfp by the way

[wheat pecan]

i dont care

[paper kestrel]

good to know have a nice day i gotta check the food its almost ready and kids are hungry. GL with being mad about your rank I hope you get some love soon looks like you are in need

[tired remnant]

Ask for fix, get mad when solution

[wheat pecan]

im probably higher rated than you and yeah, ranks in a quick play shouldn't be a thing, its never been a thing in any other competitive game that I have played

[tired remnant]

I'd like to see how many people agree with removing the entire MMR system when you can just... not look at it if you don't like it :)

[wheat pecan]

I didn't say remove it, I said hide it

[tired remnant]

Eh

[wheat pecan]

eh???

[tired remnant]

Same way

[wheat pecan]

when ranked comes that is when you see your stats

[tired remnant]

Ok! I'd love to see how many people agree with you!!

[wheat pecan]

not in quick play with the broken matchmaking that puts you in unfavorable matches with way higher or lower mmr players

[wheat pecan]

bro you are literally playing quick play as if its ranked, do not talk at all

the devs are using this as a replacement for ranked until ranked comes with some bronze,silver, medal stuff near your profile which will function absolutely the same way with the leaderboard

[tired remnant]

Do you see a ranked mode out yet???

Maybe your take would make sense if ranked was OUT but it isnt

[wheat pecan]

wot

[tired remnant]

Are you literate?

[wheat pecan]

if it was out, you'd be playing ranked not quick play

[tired remnant]

exactly...???

but it isnt

[wheat pecan]

exactly but you are coming here and crying about your rank in quick play

ffs im done talking to you, bye

[tired remnant]

Like you just said, its a form of ranked until it comes out. Are you ok 😭 😭

[wheat pecan]

you are getting on my nerves, blocked, have a good life hope to never see you again

[tired remnant]

LMAOO i used logic agaisnt it and it got mad. i wasnt even doing anything lmaoo

@paper kestrel you seeing this?

[eternal moon]

Maybe you're both idiots 🗣

[kindred basin]

add a highest ranked character badge

[mint bramble]

Cant hear the character talk after the game

[elfin bay]

To help potentially fix arya situation, what if you make it so she follows the direction the opponents kbi goes, but she can only go a certain distance in that direction. If a character was at too high %, they could get knocked too far away from the follow up. This would make combos more possible and keep the idea of early % kills but make them a bit harder as the % gets higher (so you can't just combo spam the whole game)

[gentle zinc]

Sometimes It feels like a lot

[copper wasp]

I really dislike how frames buffer in 2v2; I can dodge through an attack and normally would do it just fine, but if my teammate gets hit by the same attack I will also get hit by it because the dodge frames don't seem to buffer which leads to an impossible-to-dodge attack

[weak pebble]

Taz needs to be patched. He spams the tornado attack way too much while fighting a.i, the move doesn't even seem to have a cooldown and it has too much power.

[keen arrow]

I think you should be able to set your banners and ringout effects to certain characters in the collection. I like to set them to be in theme with the character I'm playing (I.E., have the gossamer ringout and merry melodies banner when I'm playing Taz, but the green lantern ringout and daily planet banner when playing Superman) but it's annoying switching everytime I switch my character. I think that you should just equip them on your character so that you don't have to keep switching. Adding this would make the unlockables much more appealing and less tedious in my opinion.

[jade jay]

batmans batterang needs to despawn after a bit, kinda ridiculous how it just circles the map following you until you get hit, thats some ridiculous stage control for someone whos already super fast and strong

[lone prawn]

ARMOR IS BROKEN

I SHOUDLNT HAVE TO COMBO SOMEONE, THEN I GET HIT WITH ONE ARMOR MOVE AND NOTHING COUNTS

WHY WOULD THIS EVEN BE ADDED?

bruh please fix this shltty ahh game

[wheat pecan]

there are attacks that break armor

[lone prawn]

the move still comes out

if i were to BREAK it

id get hit by it

[void wigeon]

some moves you can break trough armor and damage it. some you only break and not damage. if you used a move that only breaks you will get hit, if you use a move that breaks through then you don't get hit

[lone zinc]

I think it's less about a buffer and more that when an ally gets hit it delays the attack a bit extending the hit duration. I could be wrong but after this happening a lot this is what it looks like to me.

[kindred basin]

game keeps crashing a lot ever since the recent update, i can play like 1 or 2 matches before having to restart the whole game (ps5, my duo on pc experiences the same thing)

[eternal moon]

connection lost ps4 asian

[eternal moon]

Please change the Wait In Lab button off of square. You can use triangle.

[exotic vigil]

Servers are still utter dogshit

[void wigeon]

the game is in Beta for not even 2 months and you're talking like you don't know it's in Beta and it has stability issues

[exotic vigil]

Oh i know that. The game reminds me every time I log in.
Still doesn't change the fact, that the Servers they provide suck

[lone hazel]

MMR gain/loss is too easily affected by MMR difference. I just won 8 matches and lost 1, but because I was in a party with a low MMR teammate, playing vs people with MMR slightly lower than the average of ours, I didn't gain or lose MMR and am right back to where I started, with an 88% winrate.

[cinder sable]

Game hangs/freezes on the match results screen very often now and I have to close the game. Please fix that

[humble dagger]

nerf arya's attacks hitbox + the fact she has the priority on any char i take

nerf arya LIKE WTTF

[scenic topaz]

Attack decay should affect any wall or ground bounces immediately after the attack since if a decayed attack currently leads into the bounce, then the hitstun is no different than if the attack was not decayed. I think it would make sense if you are in the middle of a decayed knockback and you bounce, you should be able to dodge the moment you hit the surface.

[ruby axle]

connection stability matchmaking

[lone hazel]

Just remove extra hitstun from bouncing entirely. It's inconsistent and allows things that should not combo to be true. Also, reduce momentum when bouncing off walls to the point where spikes on stage no longer kill earlier than moves that are actually supposed to send up

[eternal moon]

There's this crazy thing called skill based matchmaking. Last game i got put up against 2 level 31s, while me and my teammate were level 16 and level 18

[void wigeon]

level doesn't mean skill

[eternal moon]

I know, but that game we got screwed over so hard, you would not believe. It's like putting Mike Tyson in the ring with a 15 year old boy.

[quartz mason]

Just had a dude dc after losing the bo3, no rewards :S

[eternal moon]

Wonder what PFG is doing rn🤔

[smoky pecan]

It would be cool to get a 3 or 4 player co op mode at some point like a raid boss or a squads/trios mode

[gentle zinc]

I think that might only make it worse when you're being hit and juggled by two people against a wall because you wouldn't fly as far and they'd have an easier time hitting you with things to keep you there until the wall breaks if it breaks.

[scenic topaz]

I'm not saying reduce knockback I'm saying make it so you aren't in hitstun off of a bounce

when decayed

[gentle zinc]

I like that though I still think it wouldn't help in the scenario of getting hit by two people

But you're probably not shooting for that anyway

[scenic topaz]

Maybe not as much but it prevents a lot of loops that ignore decay

[gentle zinc]

Your idea means I won't die immediately after getting knocked under the tree on the Adventure Time stage. That map makes me wanna commit violence upon my desk

[paper kestrel]

Reduce gizmo car HP its stupid ...

[lone hazel]

A KBI up/down/left/right option in the lab is a must-have for labbing

Also, dodge directions are broken when setting bots to dodge after hitstun

[wise schooner]

How have they not removed the "Win a game without perks" challenge lmao. It was an incredibly stupid idea in the first place. But leaving it in this long is embarrassing. It serves zero purpose other than to make a few games a day worse. The bar is so low for some of this stuff lol.

Obviously you can just get it done in a bot game solo, but: 1.) that serves neither the player nor the devs and 2.) a ton of folks just aren't going to do that, leaving someone stuck playing on a team with 50% perks.

And yes, Igao, we all know it's still in beta.

[wheat pecan]

honestly bots > real players

i cba to play with others with the current matchmaking

[wheat pecan]

they are gonna buff her probably just saying

prepare yourself

[void wigeon]

I didn't say anything. and I've seen some people that for some random reason didn't know it is in Beta

[swift surge]

let me turn off the annoying ass announcer. I do not want an announcer

they be sayin the same thing everytime u load up in a game

[lone hazel]

Settings - Audio/Language - Announcer Volume - (set to 0)

[swift surge]

thank you

[scenic crescent]

Fix console loading times

[eternal moon]

Nerf gizmos car

Make the hit box on "in car gizmo" bigger so it can't dodge attacks

[paper kestrel]

this car is so stupid... 🤣 it should have a timer too like 5 sec of use not just run around the stage forever if it want to.... even that gizmo thing when he jump on the back of someone he should take the same dmg and knockback has the other guy

[eternal moon]

Fr he's so broken rn

[frail kindle]

Ngl just take super man out the game bro there’s no reason he should be flyin across the map grabbing me and throwing me (w take if you don’t agree die)

[spiral shale]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1005386885536952400/1020825315490148423/20220917_180359.jpg

[paper kestrel]

Finn teleport really need some kind of animation it’s just confusing and look like a lag all the time

Why do I still end up with lvl 4 guys when at 1300mmr …

It’s fine I carried … but still shouldn’t happen

[wheat pecan]

because its not ranked so it doesnt look at individual ranks. I'm ranked 180k and played against top 26 player on the enemy team (3k rated)

[paper kestrel]

Yeah it look at global but it should still have a kind of threshold like nothing under lvl 10 past that rank

[wheat pecan]

i kept making videos showing how the matchmaking is unfair and doesn't work at all, so this "quick play" is absolutely random the mmr might as well not exist and the ranks are a joke because as a new player you can literally face the best player in the game on your first match

ive had new players in my team vs double level 30s

[paper kestrel]

Well this new player thing never happened to me only good rank players but trying a new toon or lvl 4-5 even 1 but they had some XP never fully new players

still should be by character

[wheat pecan]

lucky or unlucky for me

you know you could check your teammate and opponent's profile after the end of the match? you can't anymore, but you could

[paper kestrel]

yeah maybe what rank are you playing at ?

you can but it take a while to see in recently played

[wheat pecan]

huh?

[paper kestrel]

or Tracker.gg too see the profile

[wheat pecan]

yea but i dont mean tracker.gg

ingame you could

[paper kestrel]

in tab

[wheat pecan]

click on the banner and check after the end of the match

[paper kestrel]

recently played with you can

but it dosent show right after the match

gotta wait a bit

[wheat pecan]

im not sure if we are talking about the same thing

i mean to check your teammate/opponent profiles, the winratio, matches played, etc.

[paper kestrel]

when selecting your fighter you press tab you can see recently played with

yep just click on the name and inspect the profile

[wheat pecan]

oh ok didnt know you can do that

well anyway, I used to click on the banner at the end

[paper kestrel]

it just dosent show up right away after the match sadly

I did not know you could do that before they should bring that back

[wheat pecan]

thats annoying

[paper kestrel]

or even before the match would be nice to see who you dealing with

[wheat pecan]

i feel like they removed it because i kept making videos showing them how broken the matchmaking was by clicking on the banners

[paper kestrel]

they removed 144hz/fps from the game to on pc 🤣 wich suck

[wheat pecan]

yea but that change I understand

it can mess up with console players who can only play on 60 fps max

[paper kestrel]

not my problem it always been that way in crossplay game

no reason for it to be changed in that game when they had it at start

[wheat pecan]

it is beta though so maybe it slipped by without them noticing it

[paper kestrel]

yeah beta can be an excuse for a lot 😅

[wheat pecan]

yep

[gentle zinc]

Its like superman was never nerfed. Still ridiculously broken

[wheat pecan]

can u link the patch notes?

[gentle zinc]

Wonder what balance in a year eill look like

https://multiversus.bugs.wbgames.com/patch-notes

[wheat pecan]

oh i thought there was a new patch

[gentle zinc]

Oh no

[wheat pecan]

he wasnt really nerfed badly tbh

[gentle zinc]

Man I hate superman. Especially when ot lags he benefits so much from it

[cinder sable]

Make it so less daily objectives revolve around playing Wonder Woman

[opal talon]

it's because she's free and her missions are easy

[cinder sable]

Idc. Make less of them

[craggy rapids]

Ranked coming any time soon?

[void wigeon]

it's coming this Season

[cinder sable]

Matchmaking is still terrible also smh

[keen warren]

It needs to be if one teammate picks a character then you can't also pick the same one (no two of the same character). Example: I have played against 2 Iron Giants (which are already so broken and annoying to play against) and it just ruined the fun of the game. It was so annoying, something needs to be done about this.

[lusty topaz]

Nerf Garnet

Lower her fps like bugs bunny

Real talk fo

[tired sierra]

This game has great reply ability, but it would be very nice if we got rewards past level 15/ post battle pass rewards. Like 50 or 100 gold for every level/tier would be very nice, and maybe a badge for levels to go alongside wins?

[void wigeon]

you mean per character level or BP level?

[cinder sable]

Nerf the F out of the armor property in this game Fr. Characters get to mash armored moves way too freely and get so much reward out of it. Completely imbalances the concept of neutral since they are always plus and have advantage states

[tired sierra]

Both. That’s why I said 50 since having two lines of leveling on top of a third and having them all giving 100 would be kind of nutty

[void wigeon]

I don't think it needs more Gold but alright. especially each BP level since it's easy to level up

[tired sierra]

Yeah, that’s true actually, would take away from the exclusivity of the high gold items. Maybe an over leveling badge or something, just so playing past the completion of the reward tracks doesn’t feel icky. Might just be me though

[void wigeon]

I mean, I don't see a problem in 50 Gold per character level after level 15. it takes a while to level up so

[keen warren]

Superman needs to be nerfed hard

The dumb grab combo he does is absolutely stupid

Among lots of other things

[thin citrus]

fix arya she’s horrible

[lament perch]

Please actually nerf iron giants range their is no punishing a iron giant that knows his moves

[dire zephyr]

As someone who has played fighting games for 2 decades+, the state in which the game is currently going is a bit concerning to me.

While I understand the game is currently in beta status, it feels as though a lot of the recent patches are reactionary instead of waiting and seeing how things go, for people to adapt, etc.

I am truly hoping this is just a beta thing and, as such, I will be waiting until the game is fully released before I play this game again. The game just does not feel as...fun or as smooth to play and I can't quite put my finger on it.

Lastly, the netcode seems to have gotten worse. Before, the connections were perfect but now? I see teleporting of characters from players I never had an issue with.

I look forward to when this game releases officially and, at that point, will determine if this game will be for me in the long term or if I will be dropping it.

[gentle zinc]

agreed way more than you know

Armor should have a cooldown

The first use of the move will be Armored the ones following won't be for 15 seconds

[lone zinc]

I understand the hate as it can be annoying but you will floor certain characters doing that

[royal summit]

Probably not something most people talk about, but why is Free For All mode so broken? I just wanna play a stock match w my friends but you can ONLY go by time and where the sides of the stage keep shrinking. Plus you have to have 4 people. I get if that’s how they wanna do it for the public matches; but PLEASE make private matches more customizable (IE: stock free for all, 2v1/1v3 games, sides of stage not shrinking, etc)

[uneven pine]

Honestly instead of the weird dodge jump mechanic i think a chase dodge is 100% better and would function a lot better being it would feel natural unlike the dodge jump. In most situations i forget it exists or its just 2 awkward for me to use 9/10 situations a chase dodge is more useful. Good chase dodge example brawlhalla the chase dodges allow great setups and reads makes the game more fast pace (aim of this game i think) heightens the skill ceiling as well as adds more complicated strings and higher punish-ability

Batman grapple feels terrible and is useless in most situations since it is broken and could honestly just be replaced

Finn shop is from what i can tell rarely used and doesnt cause much impact in the game and hes just fine without it think he needs a different down special ability. Annoying pressing dlight and finn crouches down to pull something useless out of nowhere instead of doing an attack.

A lot of moves feel like the trajectory does make sense mostly with finn from what i've seen such as bag sending them sideways instead of remotely upwards

when i exhaust all air options why can i down special i understand with some chars like finn because of teleport but its a spike

Armor- plz give armor a cooldown or something why am i being punished for playing aggressively when superman/garnet/shaggy can play equally as aggressive free of charge.

shaggy being able to just wait you out while charged is just unfair if he kills half the chars with a charged kicked at like 90 damage and he can use it back 2 back with the 100 damage perk. A solutions is he takes x amount of damage then looses charge ect. Or he just slowly looses it overtime instead of being able to hold it forever.

last tidbit when i do an attack while on stage off the stage such as batmans down light why dont i fall off the stage and instead feel like i glitch back and forth or just float 2 feet off the stage mid slide
example
https://media.giphy.com/media/QuYyJ5F3eRSpPbAb2F/giphy.gif

[boreal lion]

very small thing that is in no way a big priority but it would be pretty neat if characters had 2 or 3 victory animations instead of just 1 each

[tired sierra]

It’s also sadly the curse of the F2P live service model. They have to focus on releasing content and bringing in money, on top of finishing a game. As an indie game team, I really hope they can pull this off, as I want this game to succeed. But I agree, recently the game feels less polished than it did before this season, and I really hope it doesn’t get worse.

[solemn obsidian]

naw bro you are just off and need to get better at the game instead of making excuses as to why you are underperforming

[drifting quarry]

stages have no variety

and I dont mean stage hazards

[gentle zinc]

I say good. Just buff them in another area if its that bad or just rework them entirely if armor is the only thing letting them be good

No reason Shaggy should've ever had armor on his down normal and they understood that and its gone now. Superman and Garnet are the biggest armor spam offenders. Wonder Woman is okay but Superman just has so much he can spam and get away with and then gets armor on some of those moves. Garnet its really just her jab spam its impossible to punish without a projectile. At least it has been for me. Which is why I suggested that. Numbers could easily be tweaked on how long the armor is on cooldown so if 15 seconds is too long it could be shortened to like 10 - 12. Given how this game plays i'm sure it won't stop the spam they'll just keep spamming the moves anyway but at least they won't be armored the whole time

Armor in general in my opinion should've only been a temporary buff but makes them more unique I guess

[lone zinc]

You should try playing some of these character to understand them better, I played superman a bit so I do know a bit about him, Garnet however the jabs don't have armor, the follow up attack does and even that isn't technically true as she has one of 3 options with only the forwards follow up having armor, although with most Garnets never using either up or down follow up I'm not surprised about this...

[gentle zinc]

that's part of the jab combo that's what I meant. Its the only one you ever see because it has the armor to it so they spam it. Also I'm not gonna go play superman just to understand more. I do not like superman in any form. Zero desire to play him I also don't go learning characters to understand how to beat them. If this game actually had end lag on moves like most fighting games do a lot of the spam wouldn't be possible but we got dodge canceling from almost every move and superman just so happens to also have the best dodge

what is your profile picture everytime I see it i'm like...who is it

[lone zinc]

Honestly I'm not sure if nerfing armor is the right call or buffing the armor break attacks, although I do agree that if anyone could use an armor nerf/rebalance it would be Supes. The reason I mentioned the Garnet bit is that she does have a vulnerable period before the follow up after the jabs, I've beaten plenty of Garnets who abuse it by using that window.
My profile is just me... must have one of those faces I guess since I get this kind of question a lot tho.

[gentle zinc]

I know the reason for the profile pic question 😂 but yeah Garnet isn't so bad it just gets annoying at times and she becomes fodder for my reason on why armor needs changes/nerfs. It gets out of hand and its super easy to abuse especially given that the attack decay is worthless if the person getting hit with a decayed move doesn't know to dodge to stop the knockback. Which is a lot of people and considering the moves can still kill I think its almost pointless. Superman has armor on almost everything and it gets frustrating especially now since my t&j dynamite just blows up hitting the floor. It was what I used to get around most of that stuff and now I can't even do that.

[lone prawn]

devs don’t know how to fix their own game

[eternal moon]

The dodge should be a counter mechanic where you could attack a little faster after successfully dodging an attack and 3 dodges, but after that a cooldown instead of dodge spamming it.

[plush basalt]

FIX THE LAG JESUS CHRIST

the last 4 or 5 days the EU servers have been unplayable they are so laggy and delayed and smushy

the game used to feel sharp and precise and they did something and it feels really laggy mow

[smoky pecan]

1.02 definitely introduced alot of new bugs

[dire zephyr]

I am glad I am not the only one who noticed this. It really does seem off. I was so shocked. I thought "Am I really playing the same game?"

[smoky pecan]

Yeah I hope they fix some bugs next patch

[cinder sable]

I think the devs are overlooking an aspect of this game. The saying goes “if you build it they will come”, however I think the converse is just as valid if not maybe slightly more so.

“If you BREAK it they will leave” essentially the more patches they do that are for the worse than better then player dissatisfaction will continue to grow until eventually players just altogether stop playing MVS

[queen pawn]

There's something I do not understand why this is a thing in this game, but why can you NOT use Knockback Influence on moves that send straight down, it makes getting hit by these moves feel horrible since there's no control over where you get sent, and moves that send down are already pretty strong too... so why?

Teching isn't a thing in this game either so it's not like you can KBI to a wall and tech...

...I've just realized, a reason so many vortex combos are even possible is because of this, there's very little KBI on on moves that send down so your opponent stays where you want them...

If I could get the answer to a single question from the dev team it is why is there even this thing where moves that knock down have less KBI (straight down even having no KBI) in the first place

[cunning wigeon]

fix the goddamn servers they're terrible

[wheat pecan]

new characters every 2 weeks + balancing patches every week + new modes that they announced in a small timeframe is a lot of pressure for small indie team and then there's the obvious -- the bug fixes. You might have heard the saying:
"99 little bugs in the code, 99 little bugs in the code. Take one down, patch it around 117 little bugs in the code."

[plush basalt]

please buff wonder woman damage thank you

[lone zinc]

that's just coding in a nutshell

[wheat pecan]

it helps if you have more than a few coders, less likely to make a mistake and if someone does make a mistake it's easier to spot

so indie studio is a struggle

they are hiring more people though so hopefully things improve

[lone zinc]

honestly more coders typically means more mistakes, moah coders moah stakes.

[wanton isle]

I’m not felling the game anymore

It don’t hit the same

The just made rom and jerry unplayable

And buffed Quinn

I thought all characters has combos

That can kill

They just messed up the whole game

The prices are garbage

[indigo flint]

can we seriously stop jake from being able to spam the house move
it becomes impossible to hit or punish him
and this goes for most if not all of his attacks

or just take away the bouncing off of him thing when he does the house move

[low wren]

how come Batman has a counter on his special, but nobody else on their grenades?
I'm talking numbers counting, not circle closing

[indigo flint]

and then jakes stretch move it becomes so annoying to even try and contest it
Decrease it duration or just nerf it

[sharp barn]

I would love an option for playing online with their friends while together in the same room.

[gentle zinc]

pc population dropped to a pathetically sad number compared to what it started with

[gentle zinc]

Use tasmanian trejectory and that problem goes away mostly

[gentle zinc]

can only hit his face when stretching

[queen pawn]

I do, moves that knock straight down still cannot be DIed

[wheat pecan]

hope it bounces back after some things are fixed

[indigo flint]

its near unpunishable when he decided to go the moon with it

[austere lynx]

I think that a replay sistem would be really good for multiversus

[gloomy plank]

I think we should make it where you can't be the same character on a team.

[weak pebble]

Taz needs to be improved. He spams the Tornado way too much and it doesn't seem to have a cooldown.

[lone zinc]

sfar as I know, it has a semi cooldown where when on cooldown it has a weaker version that comes out. So it it's still kinda spammable.

[weak pebble]

Taz' spin seems to have too much power as well. Every time he hits you with it it sends you flying. Taz in general needs improvements. Shaggy's sandwich attack and side kick needs a cooldown. Superman spams the Laser Attack too much as well.

[boreal lion]

Supes has a cooldown on lasers. Well more of an ammo mechanic but similar result of being an anti spam measure

[grim dust]

I feel like Taz' spin is fine the problem is that his big kill moves have an issue where unless you have a projectile or big disjoint you can't contest it bc his hurtbox compared to his hitboxes is just so disproportionate

[boreal lion]

In the lab when you set enemies to forward special or forward normal, for some reason they always do the move to the right instead of trying to face the player. I could understand if they spawned to the right of you but they don't. odd

A few more things I'd like to see added to the lab are

Option to have the training bots use aerial moves normal and specials. Right now you can set them to do grounded specials and normals but not the aerial versions.

Being able to set exact damage numbers and a way to just type in an exact damage number. Having something to increase by increments of 5 is nice but there should also be a way to enter exact numbers too

[keen warren]

Superman needs to not be able to grab people at all, it ruins everything. His flying mechanic plus that allows him to fly across the entire map and throw you out of bounds. He should not be able to grab and throw people, especially if there is no way to break out. It is ruining the gameplay experience. I have made several other posts here, superman needs to be nerfed.

[grim dust]

Superman is fine being able to grab people, it just needs a cooldown like laser

[cunning sigil]

Between this and getting hit by phantom hitboxes the game is practically impossible to play.

[keen warren]

i dont mind him grabbing as much but he should not be able to grab AND throw without any sort of element to break out

What happens is he will just grab someone off the edge and throw them down out of bounds, and there is nothing that person can do

And its not like you can get away from him because he can fly anywhere in the map

He can reach anyone, anywhere he likes

[grim dust]

Honestly the only time getting grabbed pisses me off is when they're just sitting on the wall and spamming upspecial

There's not a lot of counterplay to that and it always feels bad

[keen warren]

yeah

[lone apex]

Does every character really need a spike?

[gentle zinc]

I only really get it to work on the scooby doo stage to avoid going into a spike if the floors are open or to avoid the center it usually works for me.

[queen pawn]

Trig is cool and all (almost a must have) but I still don't see why specifically spikes take away control from the defending player

[gentle zinc]

Hopefully. I assumed around 80k it was because most pc players don't play fighting games anyway but then we hit around 15k average and that's when I started thinking its gotta be balance and servers

[gentle zinc]

I feel your pain sometimes you still get hit regardless of where you hit him

[wheat pecan]

at certain times of the day it drops to 3-4k

[indigo flint]

personally when I use supes i dont cheese a lot
I just use him to have an edge but yeah he does need nerfs tbh

[low stream]

Not sure if it's been said before in here but there needs to be a report/ban system in place for people who just join the queue to feed/kill themselves.

[cursive rain]

me once again back to beg for a report unskilled player button

[glass dust]

Getting rid of character specific missions just to keep the missions that can be done with Wonder Woman is getting on my nerves. If PFG HAD to get rid of them(which I didn't agree with in the first place but if people were complaining that they didn't have the characters than sure), get rid of ALL of the missions that limit character selection.

I really liked it when there were all types of character missions that forced a healthy amount of character pick variety but now EVERY DAY there's at least one WW specific mission, commonly 2, and yes usually you can do them with another character but it's the same small fraction of the cast, every single cycle. The vast majority of the cast can never complete these missions that are constantly being foisted on everyone. The lopsidedness of this pool of missions combined with the fact that there aren't a lot of dailies to begin with so they come up constantly has made the dailies significantly more grating over time.

[gentle zinc]

lord. Given the poor experience I just had playing I understand

[swift surge]

instead of wonder woman being free you guys should give out free 2 character tickets to whoever you want after completing every tutorial the game has to offer 😎

[lament perch]

Nerf bugs up air nerf him overall still better then every character

[gentle zinc]

nay

[grim dust]

He's honestly fine right now as is I think besides the fact that he's got one of the most powerful upairs in the game

[torpid wedge]

can you make it to were even if you run out of dodge meter you dont just straight up plummet to the blast zone

[static oxide]

I think it would be nice if you could equip banners and ringout effects to each character instead of having to switch all the time if you want to match

[torpid wedge]

saved loadout profiles? Like in fortnite

[static oxide]

Maybe

[plush basalt]

buff wonder woman damage she needs more damage on some of her attacks

Iron Giant can do 400+ damage no brain required, Superman can throw people out at 60, Wonder Woman has a great moveset but no real damage whatsoever

[lone zinc]

probably one of the most requested features on here
Edit: well besides all the constant calls for nerfs 😅

[static oxide]

Lol i see

I hope it happens then

[cedar pecan]

When do we get the batman icon? Apparently it was supposed to be emailed out today but i havent gotten anything

[void wigeon]

email will be sent this week

[cedar pecan]

Oh okay thank you

[void wigeon]

np

[scenic topaz]

A solo queue mode for ranked teams might be nice

Or at least prioritizing solo queues against each other

[coarse kite]

Playing with or against velma creates serious connection issues

[gentle zinc]

sounds like you were using it too much anyway and your death was deserved I've legit never had that happen

you can dodge like 10 times in a row without stopping or hitting someone before it gets that bad

[grim dust]

Dodge is your main form of movement in this game though

So it's fair that you'll be low on the meter if your in neutral

[eternal moon]

Nerf batmans Grapple. Its broken

[unreal dagger]

nerf iron giant

[grim dust]

Why?

[lament perch]

No I main hee and I want her to be a little bit skillfull those other characters u named are just broken but wonder to be great at her you have to be skillful

[scenic topaz]

I get this as well

[ember escarp]

Please fix the fact that people load in before you

and can attack you while your still loading in

[void wigeon]

it should be fixed it next build

[ember escarp]

I pray it is because you are always starting at a disadvantage

[grim dust]

Would it be possible to implement some type of matchmaking diversity type thing? Where you can't really run into the same character loads of time in a row, or fight two of the same character? The first one bc it gets kinda boring playing against the same characters over and over again, and the second one bc 2s against two of the same character is really frustrating. 2s works really well because characters bring different aspects to a team, but when you're fighting two of the same character, it feels a lot more cheesy and can get seriously unfun depending on the character.

Sorry for the long message

[tranquil pelican]

1v1s really suck currently. So many characters have infinites that just get you from 0 to 90 within hitstun

[grim dust]

They're changing that soon

There's gonna be anti infinite measures implemented according to Mr. Tony from twitter

[gentle zinc]

What do you play on??

I've always just assumed people were afk but that makes sense now. Assume its just a pc thing

[grim dust]

I think it's something about crossplay

[ember escarp]

ps

[ember escarp]

most likely

[gentle zinc]

Figured it'd be specific to a pc with an old cpu though ps4 would fit that too but probably crossplay if you didn't have the issue prior to crossplay

So many issues they have in such a short time. Hope they're handling well

[plush basalt]

worst matchmaking i've ever experienced

[grim dust]

Cap

[plush basalt]

i'm getting teen level team mates in level 30 lobbies constantly

[grim dust]

Guys this isn't just a channel to yell at the developers and tell them "YOUR GAME SUCKS". Give them constructive criticism, tell them your problem specifically, and then how you would like it to be fixed. Just being mad at them isn't going to make them do stuff any faster

[void wigeon]

matchmaking is not based on level

[grim dust]

Then say that. Not "Worst matchmaking I've ever experienced." If you actually want the game to be better then you need to not be a jerk about it

[plush basalt]

ok then i'll rephrase, i'm getting extremely bad and under experienced team mates in lobbies where the enemy has lots of experience and playtime

and it can't be fun for the noob either to randomly join a game as level 17 with a 29, 34, and 31

i'm the 29

its literally creating 2v2 games where one side has almost no chance, the matchmaking isn't even nearly fair

[grim dust]

Yeah that's fair I run into that same issue a lot

[plush basalt]

yeah its not rare either its really common and i cba to queue anymore

its so bad that i literally celebrate if i just get a team mate who's 25+ while playing my level 30 main

[grim dust]

To be fair there's not that many people (relatively) who have their characters super high

[plush basalt]

is there like an actual official place i can give game feedback because i have 200 hours and a lot of feedback

1 stop nerfing everyone
2 fix the unfair matchmaking

[grim dust]

I think there's something on their website but idk

[plush basalt]

soon we gonna be playing a game where every move has 200 recovery frames

the rate these patch notes are going

[gentle zinc]

That would be helpful. Unfortunately people have the emotional intelligence of infants and can't admit they're just not good or can't convey what they feel or think in a way that isn't doodoo pee per water

[paper kestrel]

A way to change team Colors but it change the character Colors too or just switch your team to red and not just outline and enemies blue

That be great …

[stiff nest]

Multiversus has been getting better everytime the devs nerfed a character. the game is becoming less about looping or KOing from 0%, and throwing out unpunishable attacks with big hurtboxes. every character has a chance to compete now that there is less of a defined meta though there are still really strong characters, it's not much of a problem as it was before

[torpid wedge]

In literally every platform fighter, even if you don't have jumps or dodges, you're able to drift in the air. This game has that too, but it feels incredibly unnatural when you lose dodges and jumps and you just can't air drift you're character anymore

[gentle zinc]

I think my point still stands, though air drifting I think is there its just nowhere near as strong as the other games.

[paper kestrel]

Why is it so laggy today

Yesterday was fine

Today it’s unplayable

Only 2 bars game …

[torpid wedge]

Still it's barely noticeable, I'm a game as lightweight and fast paced as multiversus it needs to be more, this game plays similarly to brawlhalla imo and it just feels really unnatural to barely have air drift after getting out of hitstun

It feels like they did it just so the extra ariel mobility perk had a use y'know?

[gentle zinc]

That's probably why they did honestly. When I first played I didn't like it either and I left that as feedback in the test. I can't really say if they changed anything and they probably didn't but I'm just use to it now

Same for knockback influence. It's nearly non-existent if not non existent without Tazmanian Trajectory. So that perk always stays on for me

[torpid wedge]

It shouldn't really be a thing to be used to, let's be honest the ariel mobility thing is kinda useless if they just had drifting work like it should

[lucid hare]

I played 3 matches as batman but didn't get the code

[wheat pecan]

we'll get it tomorrow pretty sure

[lucid hare]

Ok

[wheat pecan]

during the weekly reset

[gentle zinc]

Want T&J icon

[wheat pecan]

same

i like the one u get at level 15 tho

have that equipped for a long time

[void wigeon]

what weekly reset?

[wheat pecan]

tuesday

is patch day/character rotation

[void wigeon]

next rotation is next week

[wheat pecan]

yea i know

but new things are on tuesday usually, no?

i read the icon would be out on tuesday anyway from someone

[void wigeon]

Season 1 launch was on Tuesday. Morty was on Wednesday. Gizmo on Thursday. characters rotation are on Tuesdays

[void wigeon]

where? and most importantly who?

[wheat pecan]

https://twitter.com/multiversus/status/1570843851958677506

i guess it doesnt mention tuesday

can be any day this week

[void wigeon]

yeah

[gentle zinc]

I've never taken it off

[lone hazel]

I wish this happened to me. MMR is horridly balanced with MMR difference, to the point where winning can reward 4 MMR vs some opponents and 125 MMR vs others, while losses can subtract 0,5 MMR or 30.

[unreal dagger]

me and my friend were testing some iron giant moves and he doesnt go off the stage until like 309 ( atleast as i remember )

[lone hazel]

Then stop trying to kill with combo moves lol

Like, what were you hitting him with?

Surely if Giant survives it at 300, most characters survive it at 250 or so

[robust leaf]

https://twitter.com/FOR8ST/status/1571991251033149440

[worldly tangle]

Make classes more accurate and add an energy meter to Shaggy which is needed to use specials and recharges over time, would also make room for a third signature if it's possible to add it.

[oblique ferry]

Maybe make you're first emote that you have equipped show up when starting the countdown for a match? I don't really mind but I thought it would be neat detail

[paper kestrel]

game had been super laggy today total bull. never been like that before 3 games out of 4 on 2 bars and the game kept slowing the match at some moment like half speed .. for some reason such a bad day

[paper kestrel]

I got it and it dosent work there is no place to press enter or confirm the code once you entered it

when i try to do it form the computer i just click on the redeem they sent it bring me to the website then i press sign in and just refresh the page everytime nothing happen 🤣

[cinder sable]

Code redeem seems to not be working. I have the code, it instructs to have game installed (I do and am on PS4) and be logged in (which I am) but no way to actually redeem for the icon…….

[polar sky]

why am i always getting disconnected this is the only game i get disconnected on... makes me upset because it throws my MMR

[wheat pecan]

@void wigeon https://twitter.com/multiversus/status/1572013056833769473

it was tuesday after all 😄

[void wigeon]

it's Monday and I didn't receive it yet

[wheat pecan]

its tuesday here

europe, asia, africa, all tuesday

[polar sky]

just disconnected again... .why am i always getting disconnected this is the only game i get disconnected on... makes me upset because it throws my MMR

[lone hazel]

Well, firstly, copying and pasting so the same message appears 4 times isn't really going to make the answer more obvious.
Secondly, the game's in beta.
Third, servers should be improved soon.
Fourth, you haven't given a whole lot of information on how or when you disconnect. Helps to be specific.

[wheat pecan]

mmr in quickplay

https://tenor.com/view/blade-runner2049-agent-k-made-rage-god-dammit-gif-26603451

[cinder sable]

Hit and hurtboxes still janky, frame data for some characters need to be buffed, make move priority more consistent and logical

[polar sky]

Yeah then people don’t wanna play and make fun of me because my Mmr is so low so dumb

[glad thorn]

I posted this in Twitter but I wanna put it here too since it's what this channel is for:

Any chance we can get rewards after tier 50 of the Battle Pass?
Gleamium, Character Tokens, XP Boosts, Toasts or even just some gold?
I know Gleamium is how the game makes money but given how expensive some skins are, giving some to dedicated players seems fair.

[worldly narwhal]

I feel like gleamium should stay as purchase only so that the game has revenue to thrive but gold or cosmetics absolutely

Anything that rewards above and beyond devotion is always good in my book

[harsh thistle]

I am once again asking for a stage hazards toggle for online play.

Not too fond of my opponent being able to turn invisible mid-game just because we're playing on batcave.

[gentle zinc]

My opinion on gleamium on the pass has changed a bit. At first I thought with it being so cheap it didn't need any only being $3 for the first one, BUT now that's its back to being basically $10 for the gleamium but about $9.50 in actual gleamium or $7.50 i forgot. I think it should come with at least $5 worth of gleamium in the future. It doesn't have to be a complete refund but most other games do give that. Even Apex as a free to play game. Though I assume they'd like to test the waters first. Maybe once they've gotten to a stable point they'd do it or once they open the store up

[half aspen]

Please honest to god, can we nerf superman and taz

[harsh thistle]

FR!! 🗣️

[lone hazel]

Taz is fine at a higher level, perhaps even a little under. Superman is straight-up too strong across the board tho

[cyan patrol]

The fix to superman has been obvious for a while. Take away some or all of his attacks that give him armor.

But the terrible matchmaking and slowly worsening servers already killed this games player base

[lone hazel]

They just need to severely nerf his knockback

[scenic topaz]

It's hard to tell when an ability is off of cooldown without happening to look in the right place. This isn't a big deal normally but when using perks that situationally reduce cooldowns, it can be hard to take advantage of those perks because it's hard to tell the moment the abilities are recharged. It would be nice if there were noticeable and distinct sounds or something when abilities come off of cooldown. (A lot of other sounds drain out the default one)

[tame delta]

please incentivise accepting rematches/punishing declining them, it's way harder than it needs to be to clear the play X rematches and win a best of 3 set missions because currently 9/10 matches I play never rematch

[grim dust]

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This one right here please and thank you

[wheat pecan]

play against bots, they never decline rematch

[grim dust]

Yeah but that's not as fun

[tame delta]

honestly atm if they help clear missions I'd consider it lol it took me 90 minutes just now to win a set of 3 for today

[wheat pecan]

it is

i play mainly vs bots these days because of the horrendous matchmaking

[lone zinc]

would help if they fix matchmaking, I refuse a lot of rematches because at this point I got a good feel for when I'm playing with a potato on my team. So why even bother rematching when I know I'll just loose again.

[paper kestrel]

Fix the server lag !! I selected a region for a reason I shouldn’t have match with 2 bars and laggy like a 1 bar

[void wigeon]

it is their priority already

[paper kestrel]

Good to know where did you see this ?

[void wigeon]

Tony said it on Twitter

[grim dust]

They've said it on Twitter multiple times dude. Please relax a little bit

[paper kestrel]

😂

[low wren]

where's my Batman icon? no email still

[grim dust]

Check promotional and spam

[low wren]

I did

[grim dust]

It's an issue that the team is still working on, so give it some time. Alternatively you can put in a ticket on the MVS website

[wheat pecan]

most people dont have the icon

[grim dust]

Please remove the platform from croms

Or at least raise it. It's very intrusive

[paper kestrel]

Anyone got the frame data

[balmy wolf]

Why can Bugs not aim the pie at all

[naive maple]

They need to add a total for the amount of deaths per game for each player

I want to know if I am trash or if my teammate is having a hard time.

[scenic topaz]

you can re-angle the pie by hitting it after it's thrown

[balmy wolf]

Ohhhh, teammate must aim it for you, got it lol

[scenic topaz]

at its slowest speed, the Bugs can catch up to it and hit it

[balmy wolf]

That was accidental, my bad

[scenic topaz]

👌

[balmy wolf]

Thank you for this

Is there a cooldown on when projectiles can go through the rabbit tunnel?

[torpid wedge]

can you change it to where if morty has his down special active he can use it whenever. Because there have been so many gimes where I've had it active and it wouldve saved me but I couldnt activate it because hitstun. If reindogs neutral special doesn't either it should be changed. They don't really work as saving moves if you can't activate them when you're about to die.

[balmy wolf]

The characters should nooooooot cost different amounts of coins lol

[oblique ferry]

No there's a reason

[torpid wedge]

Isn't it the expert ones cost more? Also the longer a character has been out the cheaper they should be

[oblique ferry]

Also please make attack decay actually...decay? I mean people who spam still spam and win from it. I just want more competitive play then spam

[oblique ferry]

Experts cost more so people actually think to get it. Also there the good characters therefore they are expensive. Also god no. Cheaper cost the more time the game goes on is a terrible decision. At some point it would be free. Just play or grind its better then to wait a year

[torpid wedge]

You realize how that's how brawlhalla has done it for years right? Also longer doesn't mean they get cheaper after like a week. Maybe a few months or a year. That way new players don't have to grind so much to catch up when new characters are added

Imagine you started playing this game like 3 years after it came out. There would be sooo much catching up to do, you would be so far behind on characters. It just makes it easier, and they don't have to decrease it by all that much. If a character costs 2000 now they could cost 1500 in the future, with that being as low as costs can get

[oblique ferry]

It's another platformer game that's different to this one aswell. Also by the time it's been a year probably the whole roster or some part has already been completely and probably better ways to get characters. Also free players already get 3k coins to start off with.

[oblique ferry]

Yeah again. This game is in open beta its not even out. Everything probably or will change sooner or later. Also 3 years a hell of a time for a new player to join.

[torpid wedge]

You realize they aren't gonna stop adding characters to the game till there just aren't anymore players right?

[oblique ferry]

They never said that

[torpid wedge]

It can still happen, and maybe not 3 years maybe just 1 or 2, but my point still stands

[oblique ferry]

They have never said they'll stop when nobody plays

[torpid wedge]

They're already gonna have 3 characters added by the time this battle pass is over and a lot of people still haven't unlocked all the current characters

[balmy wolf]

It is hard enough to get coins without having to buy an entire roster of differently costed characters

[oblique ferry]

You're point doesn't even make sense. What's the point to wait 3 years for a character to become 3% cheaper

[torpid wedge]

I never said to wait 3 years what?

[oblique ferry]

I'm giving an example

I never said you said 3 years

[balmy wolf]

I mean ideally, if they’re following the smite model anyway, wouldn’t they just allow you to buy the whole game, with all current and future characters?

[torpid wedge]

Yeah they do that already

[oblique ferry]

1-4 years it's not worth it for slightly cheaper stuff

[oblique ferry]

This isn't smash bros they gotta find a way to get money or active players

[balmy wolf]

Rn all their favored IPs are the pricey ones, outside Iron Giant

[oblique ferry]

Then why are DC characters in the normal sections

[balmy wolf]

Lol so resort to sleazy business tactics to coerce people to spend money?

Bc there’s 3 of them?

[oblique ferry]

Dude the game is free. Either you just need to grind or not play

[balmy wolf]

You think Rick won’t be 3k?

[torpid wedge]

But with a ftp model it just makes sense to make characters cost a little less as the game goes on. The way brawlhalla does it is perfect. When there is a new character they're 7200 coins. Then after about 2 or 3 months they get knocked down to 5000, then 2300 and then finally 1500, but only the characters who have been there since the beginning of the game are that cheap

[oblique ferry]

Dude it's dependant on the moveset

[torpid wedge]

Also they're different games for sure but the way they make money isn't

[balmy wolf]

The way they make money is cosmetics

[oblique ferry]

Look at morty and tell me if he look like he was labeled recommended

[balmy wolf]

Something smash bros doesn’t do

[oblique ferry]

This game is different from smash is a bit more ways

[torpid wedge]

Yeah but who cares about smash they stopped working on it

[oblique ferry]

good or bad it's still different

[balmy wolf]

You were the one that compared it to smash bros @oblique ferry

[torpid wedge]

Nobodies arguing that they're the same game

[oblique ferry]

There is a reason expert characters are expensive it's not because it's there favorite IPs

[torpid wedge]

It makes sense to compare this game to smash because of the massive ip's that WB owns. But they're not the same game. They're in the same genre of game

[oblique ferry]

I compared it because you're saying that PFG is just trying to get money

[torpid wedge]

They are

[oblique ferry]

Actually you'd be surprised how many people compare it

[oblique ferry]

Well yeah

[torpid wedge]

The whole point of this game is to make money

[oblique ferry]

They gotta find profit

[torpid wedge]

But I get what you're saying

[oblique ferry]

Isn't everything at this point

[torpid wedge]

Personally, I believe they should take notes from the platform fighter that has successfully been pulling this off for years, y'know?

[oblique ferry]

I mean you can tell this game is trying to be different from its competitors

even if the competitors aren't even working on the game anymore

[torpid wedge]

At this point Ubisoft and bmg are only making money off of brawlhalla, I mean what else do people know them for nowadays

[balmy wolf]

But the way to be different is not to make it more mobalike

[oblique ferry]

No I'm pretty sure it's so that people don't compare it or add it to the smash clones section

You can tell this game has effort

[torpid wedge]

I like the making people pay coins thing because it forces you to pretty much play every character.

[oblique ferry]

So it's not a full on cash grab

People who play free get a lot

But people who pay get just bonus stuff

Doesn't really even effect the game too much

[balmy wolf]

I’m not against using in-game currency but imo the rate is terrible

Especially if you go for the 3ks

[proud zenith]

fix these damn hitboxes bro

theyre still so bad

[gentle zinc]

They don't have to say it that's obvious

If they're not making money why would they waste time and money developing stuff for a game nobody is playing? They might do one more to try and bring people back but beyond that they'd not continue

[oblique ferry]

There gonna stop eventually. It's not rocket science to know the game will stop being worked on before everyone stops playing

[gentle zinc]

"They never said that" What is this then?

[oblique ferry]

I meant they never said "they'll stop when nobody plays"

[gentle zinc]

No dev company in history has probably ever said that and why would they? That's something that is obvious and nobody has to say that? Which is why I'm wondering why you even said it.

[oblique ferry]

Literally this

YEAH NO KIDDING

[torpid wedge]

Wuh, why was I summoned

[gentle zinc]

My point is your point makes zero sense

[oblique ferry]

my point is that your point makes no sense

[gentle zinc]

??

[silent umbra]

It would be nice if there was an option to buy the entire battle pass rewards. 50 levels is a lot, and some of the rewards are cool but not everyone wants to play constantly. Adding a purchase for the battle pass would allow players to get all the rewards instantly, and would also bring more money to the devs

[ashen comet]

Perhaps a good idea. Add a Projectile Ringout counter? Emblem?

[gentle zinc]

THey're adding something for it

[silent umbra]

You mean the share battle pass progress for party members?

Im a solo player usually, my friends are often busy when im not

[gentle zinc]

No I still don't know where people get that from but to buy tiers

[balmy wolf]

Dunno that shaggy’s rage should apply to teammates too, for cases of double shaggy

[gentle zinc]

Don't know if you mean it should or shouldn't. But it does though I don't see big difference in it for the teammates

[cinder sable]

Superman takes no skill. Please fix that. Spammable jab, armored everything and heavy weight stat for good recovery and durability. Fr nerf that stupid character

[gentle zinc]

Welcome to the club thugnificent

I say something within that statement everyday

[cinder sable]

Bet next patch they choose to buff him kekw

[gentle zinc]

I'd probably stop playing until that got reversed. I'm tired of superman players spamming armored moves ( literally everything that isn't the jab or him flying)

[cinder sable]

Legit Superman is the kind character devs put in a game so that children can button mash and mommy will say “now that’s my little gamer!”

[gentle zinc]

Agreed. Have fun spamming your armor. and never dying to falling off stage like everyone else

[lament perch]

Nerf morty hes overpowered but will avoid nerfs cause he takes 2 seconds instead of one second to learn him

He needs nerfs he has everything to his kit but nerf the grenades and the down air the mist

[whole gate]

I swear they said they’re fixing finn a million times and he still shows up with some janky unfair hitboxes

[oblique ferry]

It does not take 2 seconds to learn morty my guy

[oblique ferry]

I don't agree since you kinda have to earn it instead of paying for it. Also it ends in like November you have tome

[silent umbra]

Ik but there isnt much content to play. Its just the same boring fights over and over again for 50 levels

Its the grindiest thing ever

Its tiring and makes the game seem not fleshed out

Its not playing for fun anymore, its playing for the rewards

[void wigeon]

it's pretty easy actually

[silent umbra]

It was more fun with the shorter pass, it just feels like a chore now

[void wigeon]

Preseason was super fast and easy, now it's easy and little fast

[oblique ferry]

This game is literally updating every 2 weeks constantly with new stuff events and it's in OPEN BETA

Like I know people want more but it's just

There trying

And besides it's just something else to do besides play and leave for 2 weeks

By giving some cool stuff

Remember this is optional

It isn't even mandatory

So what's your point

[silent umbra]

Playing and leaving for two weeks is what i did once i realized how much i would need to play just to finish the pass

its funny that i made a simple suggestion and you had an argument ready to go. Having a purchase all battle pass option wouldnt affect people who dont want it. They just dont need to buy it

Its optional

[lament perch]

He’s still overpowered 💀

Make arena or any type of competitive gamemode without it this game will die no doubt as their isn’t anything to reach for people want the bragging I know it sounds stupid but it’s what makes a game popular

And last long

[silent umbra]

we have ffa

[oblique ferry]

There's a reason he's labeled expert

[lament perch]

He’s still overpowered and he isn’t as hard as you think

[oblique ferry]

He literally has alt moves

"Overpowered" did you die from grenades

[wheat pecan]

@gentle zinc https://twitter.com/HoneyluneHeals/status/1572366027362799618

[grim dust]

The point of a battle pass is to reward people who play the game. If you don't want to play the game to get the battle pass then you clearly don't care about the game

[silent umbra]

I have 75 hours and i stopped playing for a while because i didnt want to play round after round to level up a 50 part battle pass. There are other games that allow you to buy the battle pass. Some people want the rewards and some people want to work for them. Adding a purchase option would keep the people who want the rewards happy, and the people who want to work for the rewards can ignore the purchase. Simple as that

You do realize that if you dont want the option and it is added, you dont need to buy it. Its an option. Thats the point

[grim dust]

There's like 2 months left on the battle pass

[silent umbra]

And? There will be many more battle passes, people will get tired of them, we could support the game by buying the pass

[grim dust]

Okay

[gentle zinc]

[oblique ferry]

You're literally dissing you're own point. It's an option to get the battle pass. If you don't want to play it then don't. What's the point of using glem for premium when you can just buy it already.

[torpid wedge]

There should be a multiversus debate channel ffs

Reading this stuff pisses me off

[torpid wedge]

btw just to avoid cutting yourself into a corner don't make assumptions like "you don't care about this thing, because....." even though they obviously do because they're spending the time arguing with you about it.

[torpid wedge]

Morty overpowered?????

Trying not to be rude to that guy but like, really?

[silent umbra]

If you want to give someone advice on arguing with me, I would be more than happy to ping a moderator to step in and prevent you from escalating something

[torpid wedge]

I'm sorry. what?

[silent umbra]

This was never a debate, it was a simple idea that you didnt like so you started a fight

[torpid wedge]

I'm not starting a fight

[silent umbra]

this

[torpid wedge]

it's just actual legitimate advice

[oblique ferry]

Why the hell are you replying to me

[torpid wedge]

yeah it pisses me off. so? how does that start a fight

[oblique ferry]

I never said morty was overpowered

when the hell did I ever say that

[torpid wedge]

I didn't say you did

[silent umbra]

@echo frost this chat isnt passing the vibe check anymore

[torpid wedge]

the guy you were responding to did

[oblique ferry]

Why did you reply to me then-

[torpid wedge]

was scrolling and felt like it, I was agreeing with you

[oblique ferry]

[torpid wedge]

all of that escalated for literally no reason, what even just happened

[torpid wedge]

WAIT WHAT, just read thru the chat messages and I was not even responding to you???? I am even more confused now. I gave that guy solid advice about not making vague assumptions, how did that prompt a response from you as if I had somehow wronged you????

🐴

[silent umbra]

You conveniently complained that the channel upsets you in the middle of the discussion.

[torpid wedge]

the discussion was over

[silent umbra]

Doesnt seem like coincidence

[torpid wedge]

nobody else was typing, I literally opened the chat seconds before posting that

I was watching Daniel thrasher and got bored

[silent umbra]

FuniPerson replied to me and then 2 minutes later you joined

the conversation clearly was not over

[torpid wedge]

ok??? that happens on discord. People hop into converstations randomly, IT IS A PUBLIC SERVER

[grim dust]

Thank you for your advice. Stop interacting with this guy. You're not gonna get anywhere

[torpid wedge]

I can clearly see that

[silent umbra]

lol

You know dms are a thing, right?

Keep that there

[torpid wedge]

were you guys no just.....

nvm you're far beyond help

[silent umbra]

Some thoughts are supposed to stay inside our heads

[torpid wedge]

you should listen to your own advice sometimes

[silent umbra]

🐴

[lone zinc]

If I recall right the stuff on the BP, well at least some of it will be buyable later so just give it time and you can buy it then.

[gloomy ibex]

Balance where in the game? I have a fcking lvl 2 char, and i got a lvl 14 player who have 2000+ ringout :))

[torpid wedge]

Idk man that just happens sometimes. I'm hoping that when ranked rolls out all the people who care about mmr will flock to that instead, that should mostly fix the issue

[void wigeon]

Matchmaking is not based on level because level means nothing

[torpid wedge]

Ok actual feedback I put on the reddit than got attacked for.

I feel like the air drift in this game isn't enough, been playing this game since closed alpha and it just feels off.

Also the bottom blast zone for stages need to be lowered. The whole thing can feel really closed in sometimes and having stage blast zones expanded could give you more options and opportunities to get back to stage. Like stalling while waiting for help from a teammate. Some things would probably need to be slightly reworded like Morty's up special but I'm sure that would be fixed if this were implemented

anyways let me know what you guys think. And please try to keep it friendly and not get mad at each other

[quaint cloud]

Which stages do you think are specifically like this?

[torpid wedge]

I noticed it the most on stages like the Rick and Morty one

Like the stage even clips into the blast zone a little

[quaint cloud]

Mhm. Those speakers are like half the map. Once they're gone it's so much harder to play.

[quaint cloud]

Really?

[torpid wedge]

If I'm remember correctly

Yeah but I've played a lot of platform fighters and something that really helps offstage play sometimes is giving players the ability to go beneath stages

[quaint cloud]

That would be pretty detrimental if you're right.

[torpid wedge]

Like the speaker stage from Rick and Morty I could totally see just floating anyways

Like I'm universe

If lores an issue

Sorry for typos btw, I'm tired rn

[quaint cloud]

Mm I think of MultiVersus as like an entry plat-fighter. Maybe the stages are a bit simpler because of that?

[torpid wedge]

I mean I get that but going under neath a stage isn't exactly expert play

[quaint cloud]

No worries I'm struggling a little too.

[torpid wedge]

I could totally see some characters using their abilities for offstage mixups, like Velma's book move that shoots here away could be cool

[quaint cloud]

The only map I am bothered by the most is the Scooby stage. I like the house and the environmental mechanics but it just feels off to play in sometimes.

[quaint cloud]

Maybe a separate mode for more experienced players?

[torpid wedge]

You ever have those moments where you get launched and then just plummet into the blast zone even though you were holding in and thought you would grab the wall?

[quaint cloud]

It feels expert for me. Even in Brawlhalla I'm scared to go under the stage in case I get spiked somehow.

[quaint cloud]

YES! I always think it's because I'm over 100% but then I fight Harley who is 200% and somehow STILL survives. It's very strange.

[torpid wedge]

Yeah that's what I'm talking about with the air mobility

One moment your zipping around in complete control and then you just can't

It feels off coming from brawlhalla because even when you don't have jumps or dodges you can sometimes drift back to stage

But in multiversus I've had times where I was hit just slightly off stage and was close to it but still didn't drift close enough, it feels unfair

[quaint cloud]

There should be a perk to make you heavier to hit out when you have gray health. I don't know it sounds like a fun fix.

[torpid wedge]

True, but can we also talk about how that air mobility perk doesn't really help at all??

I mean I haven't noticed it at least

I literally made a side by side to see the difference and it is negligible

[quaint cloud]

Yeah no I agree. Like you mentioned the drift feels very wack. For a game that's very floaty it doesn't feel like you have a lot of horizontal control in the air.

[torpid wedge]

Yes, knew I wasn't going crazy

[quaint cloud]

lol yeah like I main Reindog (I know my username makes it obvious) and when I use up special (Front Flip that resets my KSI) I still have little control to get back to stage if I'm out of jumps.

[harsh thistle]

Superman is so broken man, this is not even a skill issue, there's just absolutely no drawback to playing him

Hes heavy, he's extremely strong and he's fast.

Why.

There is no downside to playing him

[dire grail]

The game needs a bigger team, numbers on steam are slowly decreasing

[quaint cloud]

Well he IS Superman...

But if you use a character with armor breaking moves he's not as scary to fight.

[quaint cloud]

I mean there's not a lot of new content or events. I don't think we need to worry about it. If it's the same in a year then we'll have a problem.

[harsh thistle]

My character has ZERO armour breaking moves.

Z.E.R.O.

[quaint cloud]

Who do you play?

[harsh thistle]

Steven Universe

[quaint cloud]

Down ground is an armor break I think?

[harsh thistle]

We don't count that because it's literally steven's worst move, it's stubby and slow, by the time you see someone charging an armoured move and run up to use it, they've already finished/hit you

With people like finn, it's fast and you can RUN with his downsmash making it easy to beat superman

Steven doesn't have any of that

[mint pond]

Reward rainbow name to who reached MMR 3000 and above. Like golden name but they can be obtained by pack tho.

[royal acorn]

add 3p mode or have free for all support 3p

[dreamy widget]

Do they have any plans soon adding new stages for the game ?

[grim dust]

Most likely

There's the stage wishlist chat after all

[gentle zinc]

Welcome to the Club

[gentle zinc]

Quickly

It only took a month to be under half the average

[gentle zinc]

Not at all true. Half of the armor breaking moves are not practical

[quaint cloud]

I mean it wasn't too bad for me and I play Reindog.

[lone hazel]

Superman needs to be toned down because he wins interactions for free, kills at 0 and dies at 200

You get a good read with Giant? Nice, you got 20 damage. Superman? Stock.

[gentle zinc]

I play Tom and Jerry, Bugs Bunny, Taz, Morty. Slowly starting to play jake. None of them have good armor breaking moves. They're way too short, anyone with a braincell won't let you hit them with it, Tom and Jerry's is better IF charged, Taz has the best one i think, Bugs Bunny's is laughable with how short ranged and terrible it is at actually breaking armor, Jake's is also stupid short. Armor needs to just be removed/reworked/nerfed.

[quaint cloud]

A bit hyperbolic? I do fine against him.

[lone hazel]

At what level?

[quaint cloud]

20-24?

[lone hazel]

What MMR*

[gentle zinc]

I don't remember what Reindog's Armor break is so can't really say but regardless. NONE of those will help you when you're in the air above or below an Armor spamming superman or any other character

[quaint cloud]

I didn't check. The recent players tab doesn't refresh until I quit the game

[lone hazel]

Superman is oppressive at low levels, then very strong, then overpowered again at higher levels

[gentle zinc]

So you just have to respect the armored move and try to not be hit. Which is fine when done right. As it is now its not good at all.

[quaint cloud]

Mhm. I dodge and light attack to punish

[lone hazel]

The armour is fine, he's not the only one with armored moves

His base knockback is just too high for a tank

[gentle zinc]

He's the one with like ten armored moves

And you think that's okay???

[lone hazel]

Again, he's a tank, it's fine. It's just completely out of proportion for his killpower

[gentle zinc]

Moves shouldn't be armored to begin with

[quaint cloud]

But he's Superman.

[gentle zinc]

No it's not fine. He's classified as a tank. Tanks do defensive things to help a team. He's a bruiser with bs amounts of armor to ensure he gets easy kills

Wonder Woman is a tank

[quaint cloud]

I think he's just lore accurate. Super Strong and also Super Durable

[gentle zinc]

She blocks projectiles and gives her team armor that lasts for like 5 seconds and Iron Giant is similar but also good on combos but he can be good or nad depending on the player

[quaint cloud]

Maybe a Brute class? Should be a new class honestly.

[lone hazel]

If this game gave half a damn about lore, Shaggy would be weak and Giant would not take damage from 99% of the game's attacks

[gentle zinc]

Superman has armor only on things offensive and that is not a tank

[quaint cloud]

But Shaggy's the most powerful being in the Multiverse!

[lone hazel]

No, he's an ordinary human

[gentle zinc]

Bugs Bunny and Tom and Jerry ^

[lone hazel]

In Scooby Doo's official lore, at least

[gentle zinc]

Nobody is beating Toon force characters

[lone hazel]

In Iron Giant's official lore, he owns a space-angel-bat-dragon the size of Australia

[quaint cloud]

Yes Bugs has control over all of reality because he takes advantage of being a cartoon.

[gentle zinc]

Same for T&J

And Taz

[lone hazel]

Idk about Tom & Jerry

[quaint cloud]

Yes but Jerry dies so I'm a little skeptical of their power scaling rn

[gentle zinc]

They shoot each other with guns and all kinds of other things that'd kill ordinary cats and mice

[lone hazel]

In any case, canon is a terrible measure for balance

[lone hazel]

Yeah, but they don't script reality like Bugs can

[gentle zinc]

They still have toon force though. Its just not as strong as Bug's

[lone hazel]

Superman is more of a bruiser than a tank, but he has tank privileges. To bring him back in line, they need to nerf his offense, his knockback

Actually make him a tank

[gentle zinc]

Nerf the armor

He'd not be half as good without it.

[lone hazel]

I legit thought he was a bruiser until I saw his icon

[quaint cloud]

I think his damage is fine he just needs to be a little slower with armored attacks to balance out other characters' reaction times.

[gentle zinc]

Nerfing his kill potential isn't a bad idea either. Though that'll just mean they gotta spam harder

And they will just spam harder. Or play someone else they can do that with..Finn

[lone hazel]

His damage, sure, but have you never been hit by 3 moves and died at 0? Because that's what his knockback does

He gets one side special and it true combos into another move

He gets one read, for where you're going, and you die

[gentle zinc]

Who do you think are the broken or op characters. Superman obviously, Shaggy's kick, Finn's down attack. I think everyone else is fair or a little weaker.

Velma I question a lot though.

[lone hazel]

Shaggy's kick is fine with how reactable it is

Batman and Velma are strong

[gentle zinc]

Shaggy's kick has no recovery frames to me

[quaint cloud]

Actually yes I have. But it was my fault because he was awfully telegraphed.

[lone hazel]

It should have more recovery and maybe less startup

[gentle zinc]

Like i try to hit him at the end of the kick and I get kicked and he's like putting his leg down??

[lone hazel]

It's your fault if it's a bad Superman. A good Superman can do the same at high levels of play. It's legitimately just a 50/50 where he gets a stock half the time

[gentle zinc]

Or I try to hit above him like his upper body but get kicked. So I just wait near edge trying to bait it for a spike but it gets annoying when they have a teammate comboing me or whatever then they come in with the kick.

[lone hazel]

Even if it is a bad Superman, they nerfed Taz's tornado into the ground for less

Counterplay to that was obvious, it's less so for Superman's BS

Worst part, Superman's BS kills at 0

[gentle zinc]

Oh yeah the charged up attack is crazy on knockback

[grim dust]

Guys this really isn't the channel for this

[lone hazel]

Charged up attack, side air, air side special, up special, everything

[quaint cloud]

He can't do nothing against Taz dogpile when it comes to armor attacks otherwise I kinda agree here.

[gentle zinc]

The way I see it. This is a discussion but its still feedback they can take from our discussion

They're getting exactly what we think and feel

Which technically is feedback

[grim dust]

Yeah but now they have to scroll up for a million years to see other feedback. I'm not trying to be rude or anything

just asking yall to be considerate

[quaint cloud]

I mean we're just summing up our experience with the game. Some of it can be useful, some of it not.

[grim dust]

Sorry if I'm being rude

[lone hazel]

If mods tell us this isn't right for the channel, we'll be sure to adjust. No need to be sorry

[gentle zinc]

I understand. But there's no guarantee they'd see it in the other chats but idk

[quaint cloud]

I mean it's a discord chat. It's bound to get long anyway. Which is why the search filter exists.

But it's cool no offense taken

[gentle zinc]

Plus lot of people just come in like. NERF FINN HE'S DUMB. Then they leave

[quaint cloud]

Pfft

[gentle zinc]

I just hate the one move on him because its spammable on the edge especially. Plus it kills at like 20

[lone hazel]

I just sincerely dislike any one thing people can keep using and succeeding with. I get beaten by a Finn who throws gems every 2 seconds, a LeBron who for some reason has an un-dodgeable aerial attack with a gigantic hitbox when he has no ball, beating me after I beat him before that, Shaggy players will only charge rage, throw sandwiches (which doesn't consume their rage, wtf??) and then engage you while the sandwich is out, giving you barely any options, then charge again, Arya players (don't even need to explain that one), Supermen who just sit at ledge camping for grabs...

So many things work too well

It's a pain for a Giant player, because with the recent changes to dodges (that were never mentioned in patch notes), he can't dodge moves that last longer than his I-frames

Like, if your dodge distance can't get you out of the attack's range, you just get hit, no matter what

[quaint cloud]

I once fought a Superman with insane edge guarding. He would grab if I jumped over. Down air if I went to wall and flew into me if I tried to dash past him. He was good but luckily my Reindog's up air special was good for KSI reset and invincibility frames.

[lone hazel]

Counterplay becomes really freaking hard to find with that, and people get away with using moves because they just work 99% of the time

[quaint cloud]

Actually Shaggy's sandwich being consumed is a perk. You don't need to consume it if you don't like the perk.

[lone hazel]

Not what I'm talking about. I mean when he throws a giga sandwich he doesn't lose his rage

[winged cipher]

I see.

[quaint cloud]

Oh but that's just part of his kit. The sandwich is a projectile, not a special move.

and the big sandwich is a passive

[lone hazel]

If it isn't a special move, why does it get mega-boosted?

Isn't it a down special?

[quaint cloud]

because it's a passive trait from his rage boost?

[gentle zinc]

Man the good superman players make me hate life. Guaranteed im not having fun anymore.

[quaint cloud]

down special is just getting a free projectile or ground pound if in the air.

[lone hazel]

The rage passive specifies using a special move consumes the rage

And it has minor effect on anything that isn't a special

[gentle zinc]

Think the nerfs were unnecessary. Especially since they're working on anti infinite mechanics

[lone hazel]

He should have to be able to choose only 1 option

[quaint cloud]

If you don't have a sandwich but use rage boost, the down special does a ground shake move instead of picking up a sandwich.

[winged cipher]

Tom had inf combo?

[quaint cloud]

The Hammer, Pan combo. Was nasty.

[gentle zinc]

If you were good enough to do it yeah. It could get you to a pretty high percentage.

[lone hazel]

Tom & Jerry used to be considered the best character in the game. They nerfed them too hard and they're getting buffed back in the middle

[gentle zinc]

I've never thought they were the best. I think people got hyped off of void winning evo with them and flocked to them

[lone hazel]

I do legitimately think the rage sandwich not consuming rage is a bug/oversight though

[gentle zinc]

Good yes, best definitely not. But I'm biased anyway

[quaint cloud]

Nah it's in the tutorial

advanced ones I think

[lone hazel]

Really?

[quaint cloud]

Yeah that's how I learned it or got used to it.

It's not really explained but it just kinda puts you in that path.

[winged cipher]

That's too

[lone hazel]

If the tutorial doesn't tell you that's how it's supposed to work, that doesn't mean much

[quaint cloud]

I mean like they teach you about specials and you just get used to it being like that.

Maybe they didn't think to explain it because it's only Shaggy and the tutorials want to teach you in a general sense.

I still think Character tutorials would be nice.

[lone hazel]

His mega sandwich throw is a special sub-move, specifying it's a rage move

[quaint cloud]

It's a passive from his rage move. If you don't have a sandwich when using down special he doesn't pick up a sandwich

[lone hazel]

Apparently, it doesn't follow the general rules for his rage moves, though

No armour, no weakened stacks

[quaint cloud]

Then they should update his moves list

[lone hazel]

Still seems weird

[quaint cloud]

That doesn't make sense. His ground neutral has armour.

[lone hazel]

His rage sandwich doesn't

[quaint cloud]

Oh you mean the sandwich. Yeah, it's still a projectile albeit bigger.

Like Bugs' Rocket

[lone hazel]

It's not a regular projectile

It's a special move (also like Bugs's rocket)

[quaint cloud]

Then it's just an extra layer to his kit. If he has the sandwich, Big Sandwich. If not, Ground Wave.

[gentle zinc]

I was sad when I tried to tennis racket the rage sandwich and died.

[quaint cloud]

XD Same

[lone hazel]

It's just weird that it breaks every rule

[quaint cloud]

It made sense at the time

But now I just feel dumb for having tried it

[gentle zinc]

💯😂

[quaint cloud]

He is Ultra Instinct after all. The whole concept is about breaking rules.

[lone hazel]

Rule #1: If you have rage, your special attacks gain armour and deal stacks of weakened.
Rule #2: If you use a special attack when you have rage, you lose your rage.
Rule #3: The sandwich is Shaggy's down special and cannot be thrown without using down special.
Rule #4: The sandwich completely ignores rules 1 and 2.

If they specified it's an exception, fine, but they didn't

[quaint cloud]

But if he uses the Ground Wave, he loses the rage so it makes sense. The sandwich is a buffed projectile.

[lone hazel]

The sandwich is a down special

A down special consumes rage

The sandwich doesn't

It's still a down special

[quaint cloud]

It's just a summon for the sandwich projectile it's not a special move. The Ground Wave is.

[lone hazel]

They both are

Down special doesn't just summon the sandwich, it's the input used to throw it

His down special is throwing a sandwich

[quaint cloud]

You could say Bugs crouching in his box is also a special by that logic despite dealing no damage to other players.

[lone hazel]

The part that talks about throwing the sandwich is under down special in his move list

[lone hazel]

Yes, and?

That's also Gizmo's down special

(Unfamiliar with Bugs's moveset, btw, I'm assuming him crouching in his box requires him to input "special" attack + a direction)

[quaint cloud]

It feels like you're a little nitpicky? Not to be rude or anything but it's just the Big Sandwich is not a draining move but the Ground Wave is. Even if you are using the down special input, it's no different to throwing TNT or Ice Cubes, just a different button press.

[lone hazel]

It's very different from throwing TNT or ice cubes

Both of those are items. Shaggy's sandwich throw is a move, described on his movelist

[quaint cloud]

Nope just down and he does it automatically. No special or attack needed.

[lone hazel]

Then that's not a special, no

[quaint cloud]

The move is to summon and throw a free projectile. Like Reindog's fireballs, or Harley's Batman Teddy Bombs, or Batman's Batarangs. They don't use the the throw button but it's still a projectile.

[quaint cloud]

Exactly

[lone hazel]

And because Bugs's side and up air specials are projectiles, they're not special moves?

Batarang is not a neutral normal, just because it's a projectile?

[quaint cloud]

They do have cooldowns yes but they move across the map like a projectile.

[quaint cloud]

it is neutral normal but it's a projectile.

[lone hazel]

And Shaggy's sandwich throw is a down special and also a projectile, the exact same way

[quaint cloud]

Yes but it's projectile first, special second.

[lone hazel]

Nobody cares whether the move is a projectile or not

[quaint cloud]

The Ground Wave is the draining move

[gentle zinc]

By game's definition long as character isn't locked into using the thing its a projectile

[lone hazel]

That isn't relevant here. It's still a down special and it says special moves drain rage

[quaint cloud]

But you are wondering why it doesn't drain his rage. I just wanted to clarify why.

[gentle zinc]

Think i agree sandwich should drain rage in that case

Its considered a special to get it

Throwing it as well i think

But I'm not bothered by it

[lone hazel]

I am extremely familiar with logic. I've enjoyed many logic puzzles, I've programmed videogames, computers, etc. I base a lot of stuff on logic constantly, so when I see two rules straight-up conflicting with each other, I know it's illogical

That's this case

[quaint cloud]

You just need to have the sandwich equipped when rage boosting. There's no special input to get the big sandwich like Hadouken or something. The Sandwich is just bigger as a passive effect of the rage but not a rage move in and of itself.

[lone hazel]

And I think that's a bug

[dire zephyr]

I am pretty sure logic does not always equate to fun. If you base A LOT of things on logic, I do question how much of you genuinely has and enjoys fun

[lone hazel]

It doesn't make intuitive sense to me and it contradicts the movelist

[dire zephyr]

Precisely this

[lone hazel]

The same way Giant's passive said he was immune to knockback, when he never was

[quaint cloud]

I think the movelist could be better worded but it's not flawed. The moveset works fine as it is now.

Otherwise what's the point of the Ground Wave attack?

[lone hazel]

Using it without a sandwich, not an uncommon situation if you use that one perk

[quaint cloud]

It is. It just depends on how many Bolts you have stored.

[lone hazel]

It doesn't. I'm talking about rage mode

His passive rage mode description used to say the rage lasts until you run out of gray health, where it stops, and you're immune to knockback while in rage

[quaint cloud]

You were talking about the Giant you even said his name?

[lone hazel]

Yes, Giant's rage mode

You're talking about his neutral special, that's no passive

[quaint cloud]

Oh you mean the "Protect Friends" mode. I just thought of the Bolts force field

[lone hazel]

Yeah. It seemed like they changed how it works last minute and forgot to change the description, because half that stuff was straight-up not true

It also said his ground side normal in rage mode was a charged laser, rather than the three small laser shots you can't charge

[quaint cloud]

The wording must be wrong because the force field has KSI resistance.

[quaint cloud]

the rockets are up regular not side.

[lone hazel]

...look, I'm a level 30 Iron Giant, I know what his moves are. I'm not talking about the rockets

[quaint cloud]

Sorry I misread there. I saw rockets instead of lasers. But isn't it down attack?

[lone hazel]

No, his side attack fires electric looking bolts from his lower arm

3 shots, going at an angle downwards

Down attack is a stomp

Descriptions aren't always accurate in this game

[quaint cloud]

Hmm interesting.

[lone hazel]

It could very much be that Shaggy is intended to be able to use the rage sandwich AND another rage move, but by looking at the wording in the move list, it doesn't make sense. Either the move list has poor wording or the fact he can use 2 rage moves is a bug.

Both possible

[quaint cloud]

But I don't think it's a bug because if you use rage uppercut and then throw the sandwich it's normal again so it must be built in.

[lone hazel]

That's because rage ends properly when you use up special

I wonder if you can pick up a sandwich lying on the ground and get multiple rage sandwiches from one rage

[quaint cloud]

But if the Sandwich is a passively rage boosted projectile...

I feel like we're going in a circle.

[lone hazel]

Kinda

If it's a passive thing, they should have specified

[quaint cloud]

Should probably test it in the lab.

[quaint cloud]

Yeah but you learn so quickly that I don't really mind

[lone hazel]

It just looks weird in-game

You see him throw out a super move and go "alright, now is my chance to counter" and he's still in rage

[quaint cloud]

Makes sense if you're a developer. Making clear instructions to the player must be very important to you.

[lone hazel]

It's unintuitive, is all

You know Shaggy gets one rage move, you see one and there comes another

[quaint cloud]

That too but I feel like most expert players know all of the minutia like how the hitboxes were so big before the patch.

[lone hazel]

I feel like it used to consume rage

Can't recall for sure tho, I haven't played him much at all

[quaint cloud]

And I've taught myself to never rush Shaggy after a sandwich because it's a setup.

[quaint cloud]

I played him very early on. Was a Beta Founder. Can confirm it's always been like that. The consume thing is just the perk.

[lone hazel]

A funny analogy would be giving your 2 kids 10 bucks to spend on toys. One kid comes at you, happy with his toy. Then the other kid comes along with a different toy and you say "oh, this one is special, you can also have the same one your brother got". Then the first kid asks if he can have one of those special ones, too, but you say "no, it's only special because he got it first, before he got the other toy"
Imagine how the first kid feels. He couldn't possibly have known he could get two toys with his 10 bucks if he got them in a particular order. Now, if you told him in advance, it'd be different.

[quaint cloud]

Ouch. But I mean the Sandwich is pretty slow so you can still react.

[lone hazel]

The problem I have with the sandwich is that it adds onto everything else he does... while he still has rage.
Counterplay:

1. Destroy the projectile. Problem: He can punish it with a rage move and you die.
2. Dodge the projectile. Problem: He can punish it with a rage move and you die.
3. Avoid the projectile. Problem: You go near a blast zone and risk dying really early.
4. Try to knock the Shaggy away. Problem: He has armored rage moves, also, if you miss, you die.

It just puts him in a really strong advantage state, completely for free

I'm by no means saying Shaggy is unbeatable, I'm just saying that part of his kit is a little too strong, and he'd be a less frustrating character if they nerfed that and made other strategies more rewarding

Same with Aryas who only use up special up air, or Iron Giants who spam cannonball the whole match in lower levels of play, Supermen who sit at ledge, camping for minutes at a time, fishing for a grab, Velmas who do nothing but run away and use projectiles, etc.

People relying too heavily on the same 1-3 moves become a pain in the ass to fight and losing to them feels bad

Beating them doesn't even feel rewarding either, it's just lame

[upbeat rose]

100%

[dire zephyr]

Color me curious but what other fighting games have you played, if I may ask?

[lone hazel]

Smash Melee, Brawl, Ultimate, Brawlhalla, MultiVersus

Might be more

[dire zephyr]

So only platform fighters. I supposed platform fighters never really the "lame" playstyle. I only asked because the "lame" playstyle has existed since fighting games immemorial. With the spamming of only certain moves, etc.

This is definitely more common around low and mid level play, since high (but mostly top) level players tend to find ways around those tactics. I guess that, for me, personally, it does not really bother me since I have been playing a plethora of fighting games since 2.5 decades+.

[lone hazel]

But do you feel rewarded after beating a Shaggy only using side kicks, even though he only hits you twice the whole game?

[dire zephyr]

Personally, I feel rewarded when I outplay my opponent. If my oppone t is spamming a move and I fall for it (unless this move is SOOOOO overpowered that I can not escape it, counter play, etc), it ultimately up to me to adapt. I get satisfaction from beating those type of players cause it sends a message to them that their cheap tactics do not work on me and they will have to change it up. I find it a challenge for myself

[lone hazel]

For me, it would be much less of an issue if some of these tactics didn't feel completely impossible to counterplay. Being Giant is rough with the way dodges work in the current build, as, as soon as your I-frames drop, you get hit by attacks, even if you've dodged them. This means it's 100% impossible to dodge attacks that last longer than your I-frames, unless you have enough dodge distance to leave the attack. With Giant's massive hurtbox, this isn't always the case. Some of these attacks are incredibly hard to beat, with much better frame data and disjoints than Giant has, as well

I've yet to think of anything a Giant can do about getting up special-ed continuously by another Giant

[dire zephyr]

Yeah, Iron Giant either seems really good or he gets bullied EXTREMELY bad

[lone hazel]

It's almost a true combo, so none of your moves are fast enough to catch him before he gets another up special, and you can't dodge through it

[mental pumice]

Give Garnet more armor. She seems like the kind of character that would profit a lot from armor.

[dire zephyr]

He has no middle sadly

[mental pumice]

Like, neutral attack.

I think Garnet is one of the least played characters because she's really weird.

And most characters do her gimmicks but better.

[lone hazel]

She feels like she has a lot of armour to me, but I can admit I've run into her attacks far too many times, as if I expected her not to have armour that time for some reason. They could've buffed her more

Haven't learned counterplay because I never run into any. Same with Taz, Gizmo and Reindog. Even Giant, to a degree

[mental pumice]

She only has armor on... I think, one move.

Double side attack.

[lone hazel]

She has a dive attack, right?

Come to think of it, Shaggy has more armour than her. It'd definitely make sense for another move of hers to have some armour

[plush epoch]

some sort of messaging system in between the party would be really good

I want to be able to send short messages to my random party member like "use this perk" or "careful of x character", or even just a "last game"

I feel so bad when I wanna leave, and I just have to abandon some guy I got some really good matches, but I had to leave

also, armor is extremely broken when characters can just spam move that have armor, really hard to approach, because they can just hit you if you approach, and hitting them is useless, because they'll just attack

[lone hazel]

Spot on. If there are concerns about foul language, perhaps full text chat can be locked or not exist, but at least a pre-made message system, kind of like the soulslike games have, or even MOBAs, would be very well-placed here

[plush epoch]

yeah

and with the mature language option, you can have foul messages on or off

or just not allowed like other games with a chat feature

[dire zephyr]

I disagree heavily with the complaints about armor. It is a literal part of what makes a character a tank. So they can tank hits. I notice a lot of people NOT doing armor breaking moves in order to combat this. There is a counterplay to this but it seems people tend to forget about it. Or if they do know about it, they never bring it up. Only complaints about armor.

[lone hazel]

Just sucks when your only anti armour attack is Iron Giant's ground neutral normal 💀

[dire zephyr]

Now I can understand if people said "Can we please add 1 or two more armor breaking moves to characters?" But all I see are people asking for nerfs, not realizing that is the entire purpose of what a tank is supposed to be.

[dire zephyr]

Precisely. I do find it weird there is only one armor breaking move for some characters. I think having an air normal as an armor breaker would be good without completely crippling tank characters

[lone hazel]

At least stuff like IG's side air is a thing. Multihits are solid anti-armour stuff.......... if only it didn't hurt Giant more than anyone else

Huh, feels like if there's any problem in this game, Giant is worse off than the rest of the cast

[dire zephyr]

I don't even know what the devs want to do with Iron Giant. That character is clearly in limbo

[lone hazel]

Wishing for a partial rework

[dire zephyr]

Like....in 2s, he is either a God or he is just straight trash. I don't even want to know what it is like in 1s

[lone hazel]

Or for them to just solve the core game mechanics he disproportionately suffers from one by one

I've destroyed people in 1v1, gotten destroyed in 1v1 and had fair matches with people across the MMR range in 1v1 as Giant

Apparently Arya has infinites people didn't care about because up special up air is the only thing they ever do

Lose one stock for a single mistake, then learn counterplay, play incredibly lame and careful, deal some damage and die before you can close out a stock because you got hit by one move

[dire zephyr]

Yup. I have read about that. I haven't seen or done it yet but because the complaints about Arya's ladder kills were so great, they reverted the consistency from the previous patch, which inadvertently gave her an infinite

[dire zephyr]

This reminds me of that Luigi combo

[lone hazel]

The consistency doesn't even feel much worse vs Giant. He still gets hit when you attack half the stage

[dire zephyr]

So true

[stiff nest]

sounds like skill issue. just don't get hit 🥸

[lone hazel]

Hard to do when dodging moves doesn't work

[dire zephyr]

^

[stiff nest]

ok then just get hit. that is what a tank is for 🥸

[plush epoch]

hard to do my armor break move when it's the bugs bunny grounded jab, which I set to my neutral attack

by the time I got close, Superman already released his ridiculously strong up attack

it's fine if they have armor in some moves

[dire zephyr]

Indeed. Which is why I said that maybe armor break moves should either be buffed a bit (maybe making them faster) or 1/2 moves should be added to armor break. I just don't think nerfing armor moves is the way.

Since that is the whole purpose of tanks. To play around them (like how you would play around a Grappler in a 2D fighting game)

[plush epoch]

but not on every single charge attack that will kill at 50

My main issue is Superman

[dire zephyr]

Who do you use?

[plush epoch]

Bugs

[dire zephyr]

Isn't that MU in Bugs' favor? I would've sworn it is

Unless something changed.

[plush epoch]

but even if I switch to others like Tom, Jake, Steven or Shaggy, it's an issue I just have with the character himself

the armor being one

because too many supers just spam up ground attack

they can input one right after release, reseting the armor

try to counter, nah

your move got neglected by the armor, and then he kills you at 50 because of the charge attack

while my projectiles are all in cooldown

Honestly, I play Bugs like a bruiser, but do use the projectiles and set ups or just straight up attacks up close