#game-feedback

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true wraith
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I don't know if this is the right channel for feedback like this, but I feel like the battlepass could be a little less grindy/you get more points for doing well for it.

Only getting a few per game (with tiers quickly increasing in point requirements) means you are forced entirely into challenges for battle pass progression, meaning if you don't do one specific thing (i.e. you're not good with any of a specific class for a challenge? Gotta reroll and potentially bite a hefty gold fee) you're stuck at your tier. Either that or less per tier so your challenges don't feel like nothing.

I've only been playing for a little bit though, maybe actually being able to do the monthly challenges would help, but from a new player perspective it feels incredibly restrictive- I had this problem with Halo Infinite, too.

Edit: readability

dapper meadow
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garnet neutral special has too much startup and recovery to make it useful to react and block projectiles such as batarang, i suggest making the stacks build slower but make the ability useful for blocking projectiles

halcyon willow
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Play 30 games, win 26 lose 4, Overall gain -40k ranks, seems legit

limber lily
# true wraith I don't know if this is the right channel for feedback like this, but I feel lik...

I can't speak for everyone, but I was able to finish the battle pass in about a week and a half playing for about an hour a day, only doing the daily challenges (and finishing some of the seasonal ones while doing so) each day. I'm assuming this is the purpose of the slow grind - to get people to play each day rather than grind it out in a few days. Though, a week and a half out of a 2 week-long season (for those who didn't get an early code) is pretty miserable, it could stand to be a bit faster.

Also semi-related and to reiterate what I've said before, there really needs to be a way to convert excess battle points to gold. Once you finish the battle pass, there is very little motivation to log in each day beyond the first win bonus. If the developers want people to keep logging in to play consistently, there needs to be some kind of reward for doing so.

true wraith
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Although that might deflate gold's value and make it too easy to unlock new characters, but I'd rather get new characters easier and more gold sinks (i.e. cosmetics) than harder gold

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I do hope the cosmetics from the BP can be bought later on, gold for free and gleamium for premium, with a little sticker or something for 'first time around obtainers' or something

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Lessens FOMO and if you miss something (i.e. a season 1 player misses pajama finn and wants it but can't anymore) you could still get it

river ocean
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I really hate that you can be rungout below 100 so easily. Certain perks make it so that any floaty character can be knocked out easily just by existing. It creates a really negative game experience and makes some matches not really worth continuing, so I just drop out after the first round.

lone zinc
river ocean
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It could just be the way some characters are I guess. I tied it to perks because the character seems overly adept, but yeah, could just be how the character is.

trail lintel
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and 'Toon Elasticity to reduce wallboune velocity

river ocean
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Personally, I don't think you should ever be able to be rungout unless you're way over 100. It's just far too easy in some matches.

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It happens to me on Finn a lot, who is very floaty

halcyon willow
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Tanks' are way to fast and deal too much damage

lone zinc
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that is only WW and she barely qualifies as a tank

halcyon knot
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make Basketball go through other projectiles since its harder to get balls

river ocean
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Actually, literally just happened to me. I was playing Finn, was at 42, bounced against the ground and got knocked out

halcyon willow
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WW was the only one I wasn't thinking of

true wraith
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What were you hit with meep?

river ocean
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Jake

true wraith
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Doesn't exactly answer my question

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Neutral? Special? Spiked?

river ocean
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Looked like a special

true wraith
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Charged?

halcyon knot
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what did jake look like?

river ocean
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I don't think they had time to charge it

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They'd just landed and I don't think you can charge in the air

true wraith
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You can charge in the air for some moves iirc

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I don't have Jake so idk his moveset too well

river ocean
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Yeah, whatever it is, it's just way too much

halcyon knot
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yeah thats fair, also remove mansion lol

river ocean
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Mansion is where this happens to me the most

true wraith
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Mansion is just a weird map in general

halcyon willow
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Right now it feels like Assassins don't have many good matchups

true wraith
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Yeah Assassins could use a bit of a push, either a buff for their actual damage across the board (or maybe stuff like charge speed- with Finn I feel like I dont even get the chance to charge stuff) or maybe a buff to the nerfed damage resistance they have

lone zinc
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what how... Finn litteraly can start charging anywhere and run up with a full charge, everyone else has a hope and a dream minus ranged shots

true wraith
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Maybe I'm just bad lol

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I never seem to be able to charge them just bc they get interrupted tho

halcyon willow
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Any good mage or anyone that can spam projectiles just shouldn't be caught by assassins

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And Bruisers and Tanks are just better in close range, If the assassin drops the combo then they have to run back and look for it again

languid grotto
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Anyone encounter a velma spamming supportive words off Jake? seems a little broken to me

lone zinc
halcyon knot
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harley?? arya??

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both high tier characters??

eternal moon
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Attack decay needs to have a stronger effect because the way it's implemented now it hardly matters at all, people will use the same move over and over and they'll still kill you at much too low of a percentage

tough widget
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attack decay should be stronger on some moves

fierce mural
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finn's sair feels a bit weird, maybe change it so holding down the button does the full slash + charged slash while tapping/double tapping does regular uncharged slashes?

obtuse laurel
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Changes I would like to see in Multiversus.

  1. a better lab
  • frame data
  • hit box
  • having perks actually work(I want to test perks that interact with distance without needing 3 other players)
  • set di
  • set the cpu to center stage instead of slightly to the right
  • being able to move the cpu and keep it there after resets
  1. let us purchase characters on the free rotation
  • it's mainly just QoL as some will forget that they don't actually own the character and won't have gold for it when they are no longer free
  1. add c stick keybinds for keyboard
  • really hard to down air without fastfalling on keyboard
  1. add perk data after each game
  • mainly just QoL. let us see how much the perks are impacting the game. How much damage did it do? How many jumps did we actually gain off of triple jump?
  1. Increase attack decay's impact
  • moves that are attack decayed should do even less damage than they do now.
untold escarp
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lebron feels infinitely slow without ball, idk if im just bad at the video game but all of his moves have so little reach and such high startup it feels like an uphill battle just to be able to play the video game again

molten charm
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I just started playing, so correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to be getting the same amount of match exp and character progression for a full best-of-three match as a regular single match

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not three times the amount, since I techincally played three matches

upper creek
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More battle pass challenges need to be added

obtuse laurel
upper creek
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I mean challenges for battlepass points

void wigeon
grave bloom
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batman side X feels like it cancels out any attack that not a armored attack even if you input your move first

shrewd birch
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nerf taz

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he’s joking ^

hardy knot
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allow thickness options for player borders

shrewd birch
raven mural
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whos up for some 2vs2s

languid grotto
shadow vine
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make finn not say the line about his blue shirt when hes wearing pyjamas

glossy plover
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add spectating

eternal moon
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Fix ur game, nerf iron giant so he can’t fly from the bottom of the map, make it so Velma has a timer on her abilities, most importantly make it so Superman can’t spam grab you into zone, nerf tf out of shaggy so his kicks don’t do 20 damage or make it so he can’t spam them,

lone zinc
pastel roost
brisk haven
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I can't play online, the game is literally 12+ on psn but I'm 16 and can't play online, please fix this I haven't been able to play since closed alpha

shrewd birch
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Nerf Taz. He has moves that are nearly impossible to get out of. Nerf the moves of Taz in any way possible. Some characters are broken and cannot be bypassed, not just Taz but some others (Jake, Iron Giant, Finn’s backpack move, etc).

gleaming patio
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ok bud I get finns backpack and jake but iron giant does NOT need a nerf nor taz

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As an iron giant main I disagree that he needs a nerf, considering his down aerial special already got nerfed pretty bad and is almost unusable without a grab

latent night
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i live in egypt and ive always played on europe servers but for some reason in this game i could never get a connection better than 2 bars. i know it's still preseason of open beta but i really hope this gets better soon

gleaming patio
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I can agree

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The connection and matchmaking really needs a fix

solemn umbra
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hitboxes, fix them

eternal moon
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Nerf finn

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Please I beg you

gleaming patio
eternal moon
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I hate him so much

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Can we talk about the matchmaking issues??? I'm not going to fight people with lvl 22 characters when I'm lvl 6

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Ong

true wraith
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A very nice QoL change would be making previews of paid audio things- Marceline's Song, for example, and most notably Announcer Packs. I want to be able to hear some of the things from specific characters to see if I want to buy their announcer pack.

river ocean
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Just happened again on mansion

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Player hit me off the edge twice and I was rung out

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The ability to deny list maps would be good

indigo oyster
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The experimental characters have good reason to not be set in stone. IG takes no skill at all, on smaller maps it’s hard not to get hit by him. And Lebron is impossible to hit with that stupid ball. You should either nerf them a LOT or get rid of them.

next hill
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another bug with velma + jake . velma throw projectiles on his house and it's like chaos in there with 2530 projectiles !!!!

river ocean
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imo, I'm going to come back to this in six months

nimble parrot
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priority system

static spire
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It wont let us do a 3 for all in local play.

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There is some trouble swapping out player 1 if it's used through bluetooth from what I can tell so far.

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Please dont take it negatively. I'm trying to test out a lot of common functions that I dont believe a lot of players will report on.

obtuse laurel
errant perch
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Nerf Tom and Jerry

shrewd birch
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Nerf Taz. He has moves that are nearly impossible to get out of. Nerf the moves of Taz in any way possible. Some characters are broken and cannot be bypassed, not just Taz but some others (Jake, Iron Giant, Finn’s backpack move, etc).

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i don’t know him

static spire
tiny furnace
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Please add Asia servers 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

static spire
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In local I mean. This should be a basic feature.

errant perch
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I'm being serious about Tom he needs a nerf like damn

shrewd birch
shrewd birch
errant perch
shrewd birch
errant perch
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Mf every discord person who plays on xbox that I've talked to has it connected to their discord

orchid blaze
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Nerf finn

errant perch
shrewd birch
orchid blaze
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I don’t know how they allowed Finn to be untouched but Harley gets nerfed

paper canyon
errant perch
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The ones with the side special invincibility perk

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Mf I haven't had a curry in 3 weeks

shrewd birch
errant perch
paper canyon
errant perch
shrewd birch
orchid blaze
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Finn is the embodiment of everything wrong with Smash’s sword characters

errant perch
fleet moss
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this is stupid ngl

errant perch
orchid blaze
orchid blaze
errant perch
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What's your opinion on Arya tho

orchid blaze
errant perch
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It depends on who you steal from

orchid blaze
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Definitely not on the level of Harley, Finn

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Yeah hit or miss

errant perch
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Although, being able to stun opponents is pretty good

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And then combo from that

fleet moss
orchid blaze
fleet moss
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oh

orchid blaze
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They didn’t really nerf her too badly but it hurts when in a 1 v 1 against Finn

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I’m glad they nerfed the Taz spam a bit but it’s still there

fleet moss
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they nerfing the wrong characters

trail lintel
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we've had 1 balance patch since open beta

orchid blaze
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Nah taz was obnoxious in the alpha

trail lintel
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rather, open beta was the balance patch

orchid blaze
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Yeah

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I know

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I think Garnet and Wonder Woman needs a buff or two

sour nest
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They should add local play where I am able to play with my friend on the same tv but able to play multiplayer

orchid blaze
obtuse laurel
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Changes I would like to see in Multiversus.

  1. a better lab
  • frame data
  • hit box
  • having perks actually work(you currently cannot test perks that interact with allies even if you set a cpu to the same team as you. This makes it so I have to test with other players in custom games.
  • set di
  • set the cpu to center stage instead of slightly to the right
  • being able to move the cpu and keep it there after resets
  1. let us purchase characters on the free rotation
  • it's mainly just QoL as some will forget that they don't actually own the character and won't have gold for it when they are no longer free
  1. add c stick keybinds for keyboard
  • really hard to down air without fastfalling on keyboard
  • it is impossible to do retreating aerials without losing aerial drift. You currently cannot run to the left and do a side air to the right without slowing down.
  1. add perk data after each game
  • mainly just QoL. let us see how much the perks are impacting the game. How much damage did it do? How many jumps did we actually gain off of triple jump?
  1. Increase attack decay's impact
  • moves that are attack decayed should do even less damage than they do now.
maiden viper
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ban all batman players ban all superman players thank you

languid frigate
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NERF HARLEY !

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NERF HARELY

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NERF HARELY

dense venture
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Remove every character except shaggy , Arya, bugs and garnet

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Because all the other characters are completely overpowered

dense venture
maiden viper
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wait no

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nvm you kept garnet in the game

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shes gotta go too

dense venture
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Garnet doesn't bother me

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But the fact that super man has 6 different armored moves is ridiculous

eternal moon
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Should add a button to test out the Announcers to see if we like them or not

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Nerf Harley

sour nest
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Fix the game

hardy basin
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Lol

orchid canyon
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I would like to play against PlayStation players without lag pls

twin birch
lime flume
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18+ age. Don't see a reason as to why it's not 13+.

signal cargo
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Taz got to be nerfed, tornado attack still broken, small maps are impossible to play against it

tranquil granite
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this game needs a spawn protection outside of the perk

sour nest
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Ong

hardy basin
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I would like to fight people in general without lag sucking me to the edge of the screen and insta killing me

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I get good connection sometimes but jeez, it’s not even me, it clearly says they’re lagging and it affects me

fleet moss
lone zinc
sterile bone
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Ah so is that why my game is just randomly extremely lagging then?

fleet moss
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nerfing the wrong characters

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every good game gets ruined like this, game gonna die super fast sadly

lavish sigil
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Have they said anything about whether or not they're going to add priority to moves? So tired of getting beaten out by cheap, disjointed hitboxes when I play characters whose hitboxes are also their hurtboxes.

lone zinc
# fleet moss u said it “fine tune” NOT ruin

it's not about right or wrong characters, certain characters like Taz for instance need a nerf to one overperforming ability but a buff to a lot of the rest of his kit. Meanwhile the moment people hear nerf they get a knee jerk reaction "oh no not my character..."

grim lake
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if your playing against iron giant in 1v1s there is not a sliver of a chance you will win

signal cargo
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Stuff that gotta be fixed

  • Shaggy Side special
  • Super man air side special
  • Taz side special
  • Finn
  • Velma
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Remove Iron giant buff as so, he got a 2 hit kill confirm combo

gusty lark
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Remove Attack Decay

eternal moon
signal cargo
eternal moon
tranquil granite
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also the down basic that reaches off the map and being able to charge attacks while moving

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finn is also in the free rotation so anyone can use him at any time

signal cargo
sinful leaf
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I just fell against 2 idiots playing together if Superman and combo throwing the character up

eternal moon
eternal moon
sonic fractal
eternal moon
signal cargo
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Dude finn is way to fast, and got way too long hitboxes + unbreakable attacks

eternal moon
signal cargo
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Nobody cares

eternal moon
signal cargo
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¿

sonic fractal
# eternal moon bro mad he got 2-0 by a finn

I actually am higher rank now so I don’t see Finn spam. But he is unfair to new players. It takes more effort to counter it than to use it. It’s not good to ruin the game for new people if we want it to grow

slow ginkgo
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Would be cool to see other stats at end of game (assists, damage taken, where you hit enemy off (top,side,bottom))

sonic fractal
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Imagine lying on discord😭

hardy solstice
signal cargo
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If you spam dash you are immortal

eternal moon
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smh

sonic fractal
eternal moon
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no i didnt lie

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i said i am a main for these three

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so i never said i never mained him

sonic fractal
eternal moon
sonic fractal
modest meadow
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what is happening to the servers or is it just me i was playing tom and jerry and none of my projectiles would fire until after i died

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also how is ranks based off of i won a round lost a round then won another one and got placed 20k lower ranks?

safe pecan
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no ASIA server. worst of the worst

eternal moon
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yall? i dont use

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finn

pseudo vigil
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Dont make a game if your servers gonna be non stop lagging

mortal jasper
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isnt it silly that not every character has an armor breaker? like why do you just have to deal with it because the matchmaking put you up against someone who has armor? if youre going to implement a mechanic, then give us a way to deal with it?

trail lintel
mortal jasper
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that doesnt help

near pawn
trail lintel
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or use somr projectile to eat armor while you approach

near pawn
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Which characters are you using that's struggling with armor

mortal jasper
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harley. tried going in with scissor kick but by the time i react, im getting hit by the attack after my first kick

near pawn
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Doesn't Harley have a lot of stuff like vertical moves that can go above nearly any armored moves and wreck them lol

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Alternatively could focus more on traps and make them come to you instead of armoring up

mortal jasper
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i was playing against a defensive superman. i played a bit of keepaway and was outdamaging him but eventually he grabbed me at the top and ringed me out. thats not the point, though. could you explain why shaggy needs an armor break on his down smash but harley doesnt?

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"just throw projectiles or charge up instead" could be said in regards to that

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not to mention his nair melts armor like butter

ruby tide
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its one of the only kill moves in this game thats actually easy to punish when it whiffs

mortal jasper
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"just dodge it"

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its not like it puts a fast hitbox all around him

ruby tide
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the hitbox is really small compared to most of his other hitboxes

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most of his ground normals are more problematic than the bag

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i play against finns spamming the bag all the time, then i tried finn and found out they were just bad

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the best way to play finn is spamming fast fall nair because it combos into like literally everything

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bag doesnt even kill that early if you know how to DI

sonic fractal
pastel carbon
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hit in this game is just weird, i can't even tell when i'm gonna hit first or it'll be the person against me

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is just a gamble all the time

ruby tide
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i think thats a netcode issue

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or just the servers themselves

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whenever i find somebody playing on wifi i Know im playing against someone on wifi, its miserable

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sometimes my attacks just phase through them or my movement gets messed up or w/e

mortal jasper
pastel carbon
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yeah, just played a game with batman against finn and shaggy, my foot went literally inside them but the game still priorize their hits

ruby tide
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when i say dodge i dont mean use the dodge button, i mean move away from it

mortal jasper
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and it also lasts a while so he can adjust the hitbox since he can move in it

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i mean what kind of finn are u facing if hes just doing it when you can move away from it lol

ruby tide
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if he does it on the ground its one of the worst moves in the game, it never hits me and it just lets me hit him with any move i want

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in the air this game has a ridiculous amount of horizontal move speed in the air and you can just move to the side

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if he combos into it, then that's fine it's not even one of the strongest kill moves people can combo into in this game

sonic fractal
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It takes way more skill to counter than use

ruby tide
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a character being hard to play against when you are brand new to the game isnt a problem

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play the game more

mortal jasper
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🤡

ruby tide
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in my experience finn is the easiest character in the game, but i'm not complaining about it

mortal jasper
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whats your argument for rewarding player a more than player b when they started the game at the same time?

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because they piucked different characters?

ruby tide
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some characters are easier than others. that applies to every fighting game ever made since video games became a thing

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what is this argument

mortal jasper
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sure, but using that to justify a character with such speed and range is ridiculous. especially because hes not really a bad character and sees complaint from a vast portion of the community

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hes too rewarding for the effort you put into him

ruby tide
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finn is really strong but his bag isnt why lol

mortal jasper
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its a part of his kit. his kit is overtuned

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i dont mind losing against good players, but i never lose to a finn and feel like i deserved to lose

ruby tide
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his bag is not problematic when you learn how to play against him. it has easy counterplay. his in general giant hitboxes and extremely fast moves are what is problematic about him

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his nair is busted

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the sword charging stuff on the ground is braindead free spacing

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because the hitboxes are so big

sonic fractal
ruby tide
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welcome to fighting games

mortal jasper
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its kinda tough to learn the game and getting use to the controls as hes charging across the entire map and controlling the ground

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it doesnt warrant "play the game more"

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it warrants designing it better

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even if it doesnt perform at top level play

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yes, eventually new players will learn to deal with it, but why should that serve as a justification for making it a terrible experience learning it

trail lintel
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the difference is you see it as a terrible experience while we see it as a learning curve

sonic fractal
ruby tide
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because the bag is a well balanced move and nerfing it because new people dont like it is bad game design

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nerfing certain other parts of finn, sure

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but the bag is fine

mortal jasper
sonic fractal
ruby tide
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i could say this about every character in the game

mortal jasper
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u just admitted ur fine with him being nerfed so why would u follow up with that

ruby tide
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if you are being beat by 1 move, that's a you problem. welcome to fighting games. you are epxected to learn how to play

mortal jasper
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im talking about his entire kit with his bag being one of it

sonic fractal
ruby tide
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finn's other moves are problematic besides people being new

ruby tide
sonic fractal
mortal jasper
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doesnt even compare to finns upsmash or bag

sonic fractal
mortal jasper
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and the combo with that up b is tight

ruby tide
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harley is my most played character, in my experience her up b is one of the easiest kill moves to combo into in the game

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down air is stupid easy to hit and combos into it for free

ruby tide
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but i dont think theres any frame data resources yet

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anyway the reason i entered this channel to begin with:

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there needs to be a way to not play vs wifi players, and a minimum connection quality matchmaking feature

mortal jasper
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i think it would be hard to believe that if u went to lab right now and used them both

trail lintel
mystic parrot
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got a velma jake duo, was able to counter with ww and tom and jerry

trail lintel
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like i'd be down for it, but it's never happening

ruby tide
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the game needs it, this is almost as bad as nasb was on launch when you're playing vs a wifi player

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nasb right now is better lol

trail lintel
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theoretically, since there's servers in the middle, you should never see your opponent lagging. they should keep stuttering on their screen because they're constantly having to resync with the server

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it seems to have problems intelligently placing people on certain servers

ruby tide
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i have a very good connection so i doubt it's me. earlier i was playing against a tom and jerry and i got blasted off the side of the screen while i was comboing them 😭

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and they were just standing there

trail lintel
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i mean that's the whole reason you'd use servers. it sure would be silly if they didn't use servers in a fighting game in the only positive way you could

sonic fractal
ruby tide
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a hitbox being taller matters more than being wider when you are trying to hit people above you

sonic fractal
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I don’t even think the Harley channel would agree with this bs

ruby tide
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i dont think most people would agree with it because most people are bad at the game

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im just giving my opinion 😊

mortal jasper
ruby tide
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if you are getting hit by finn up b when you arent above the finn then i think thats just a skill issue

mortal jasper
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but its startup is instant

ruby tide
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the startup is pretty fast, but he moves slowly while doing it

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and you have a button you can press that will instantly relocate you invincibly away from it at any time

mortal jasper
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just dont get hit 4head

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jesus

ruby tide
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you know thats not what im saying

mortal jasper
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thats exactly what youre saying

ruby tide
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if you are getting hit randomly by finn up b in neutral, then yes. just don't get hit. it is REALLY easy to dodge

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if you are getting combo'd into it, then yeah thats what the move is for

mortal jasper
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can u use it in lab right now

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and tell me how fast u think it is

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because i dont think u understand

mystic parrot
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lol, im a finn main, youre able to get hit out of it pretty easily in my opinion, but its fun to use when they are in the air

ruby tide
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what situation are you in where finn hits you unexpectedly with his up b

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if you are above finn in range of his up b you should just dodge out of the way pre-emptively

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i genuinely dont understand

mortal jasper
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how does that work when ur offstage or in the air on ur way down

ruby tide
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dodging cancels your air momentum instantly

mortal jasper
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why does does it need to be so fast and alst so long, and cover so much around him, and have good k.o potential

#

i genuinely dont understand

sonic fractal
sonic fractal
#

I just started the game a few days ago and saw the Finn spam firsthand

ruby tide
#

just looking at the move in the lab my guess is its frame 14 or so

trail lintel
#

reminder anyone can record their game at 60fps and count frames

sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

scooby's mansion is a bad stage in general i dont doubt its stupid on there

ruby tide
ruby tide
sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

if you think this move is hard to play against i would hate to see you try to play melee

#

falco's dair 💀

mortal jasper
#

jesus

sonic fractal
#

And their first games were filled with Finn spammers. It’s really not rewarding to start this game

mortal jasper
#

melee is horribly designed so lets horribly design this game

trail lintel
mortal jasper
#

yeah tell me about the roster variety in smash again pls

sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

walking you off the map is the least of how broken kirby is in 64 lmao

trail lintel
#

64 is straight busted tho. doesn't it have a bunch of actual 0-to-death combos?

sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

anyway finn's bag has modest startup and besides the exact instant the hitboxes become active, he moves up pretty slowly when he does it and has predictable movement afterwards

sonic fractal
#

1 hit

ruby tide
#

that is not true

#

you can break out of the egg

sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

64 does however have a meta entirely revolving around 0 to death combos because that game doesnt have DI

#

bmo is WAY stronger than the bag wtf

#

if you know how to DI (which there is an in-game tutorial for) the bag doesnt even kill that early

sonic fractal
balmy adder
sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

holding your joystick in a direction when you get hit is not an advanced technique

balmy adder
#

If people leak future characters do as you wish but please dont ruin fan mod support

ruby tide
#

balancing a move around people who dont even learn the basic mechanics of the game is how you run a game's balance into the dirt

sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

theres a whole tutorial dedicated to it in the game

sonic fractal
#

Again you’re asking new players to master mechanics while the Finn just has to use the same move over and over

balmy adder
#

The game has a di tutorial

sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

im asking new players to hold their joystick up and in during the 5 minutes the bag is hitting them

balmy adder
#

If you dont use information given to you thats on you

ruby tide
#

or down and out if they are too high up

sonic fractal
balmy adder
#

Okay but that's not relevant to your argument

ruby tide
#

whats glitcheda bout it

sonic fractal
#

So how would they know that do the tutorial doesn’t work? Guessing?

sonic fractal
#

But basically you can’t DI

#

Have you completed it?

ruby tide
#

i just completed the first part

balmy adder
#

I did in the first beta

ruby tide
#

it doesnt look like the second part is working

sonic fractal
balmy adder
#

If the tutorial doesnt work just say that dont come to people asking for nerfs for a move you arent even trying to learn how to counter

sonic fractal
trail lintel
#

the tutorial still explains what it is and how to do it

ruby tide
#

^

sonic fractal
trail lintel
#

the example just doesn't work

ruby tide
#

besides that, fighting games are about learning the game

#

this game clearly has a less casual target audience than smash bros regardless

sonic fractal
limber lily
#

Can there be some transparency on why the season 1 delay happened? Is it related to the discovery / hbo merger? Is it to give people more time to finish the battle pass? It'd just be nice to know the reason rather than being left in the dark with a surprise delay only a few days before.

sonic fractal
#

And he can climb while frustrating the new players

ruby tide
#

the finn will have to learn other things when they play vs people who know what they are doing lol

balmy adder
ruby tide
#

again, EVERY fighting game has this

trail lintel
sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

im not gonna complain about more time to do the pass

#

are you implying that every fighting game ever made is bad because you dont want to counterplay finn bag

sonic fractal
near pawn
sonic fractal
#

Also I think you guys don’t understand Finn’s kit is already pretty great. Even with a backpack cooldown or nerf he’s still solid

near pawn
#

Or the day before

balmy adder
ruby tide
#

again, fighting games are ABOUT learning the game. that is the point. the point is to get better, not to see a victory screen. if you don't want to do that then maybe this isn't the game for you

ruby tide
#

im at like level 12 right now

near pawn
candid whale
#

I would like for there to be a gifting system, or at least something similar. I would like to be able to gift the battle pass, or a skin/emote/character to a friend. I think it would be really cool and help out people who have extra character tokens that they can’t spend (I have 23)

sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

it wasnt a personal insult, they were commenting on your understanding of the game

trail lintel
sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

i dont have that much fun destroying them, but i do think its funny

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i hope that after i destroy them for spamming the same move over and over they learn to do something else

sonic fractal
balmy adder
trail lintel
ruby tide
trail lintel
#

^

ruby tide
balmy adder
#

If finn gets nerfed what happens when the next knowledge check pops up?

First it was shaggy

Then it was taz

Then it was bugs

And now its finn

sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

finn is like my 6th highest level

eternal moon
#

Servers maybe a bit laggy or its just me

ruby tide
#

and i will acknowledge he is easily the easiest character in the game i have played

balmy adder
trail lintel
sonic fractal
balmy adder
#

I mean it clearly is

ruby tide
balmy adder
#

Your win rate isnt tied to your fun unless you make it

trail lintel
sonic fractal
balmy adder
#

^

ruby tide
#

also i have no idea why garnet is listed as recommended and not finn. garnet is actually really hard to confirm kills with

balmy adder
#

Ima be real in the grand scheme of things casuals dont care about balance in fact they want their mains to be broken

sonic fractal
sonic fractal
balmy adder
#

As someone whos struggled with reading compression for years it wasnt meant to be an insult

thorny comet
#

This games lag is abaurd, I play shaggy and I cant rush down my opponents if basic attacks wont hit automatically because of terrible netcode

lone zinc
#

from what I've seen in a video that inspected the bag, it's hitbox is a little too large making it nearly impossible to approach from above, lets start with fixing that

sonic fractal
trail lintel
balmy adder
strange pulsar
#

South America servers need to improve, i have almost 120 of ping playing from Argentina

thorny comet
ruby tide
sonic fractal
#

And @ruby tide search the server for “backpack” and you’ll see a lot of the people share my opinion on the issue. This discussion has happened more than any other.

trail lintel
strange pulsar
#

i cant see, but my ping is always in orange and in other games orange its +100 of ping

balmy adder
sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

im aware a lot of people share the opinion, i just don't think its sound. if they adjust the hitbox or whatever the devs deem appropriate i'm not gonna complain about it, i just think the conversation around finn is WAY too centralized around the bag and not the dumb hitboxes on his normals

sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

devs decided taz tornado was toxic for new players, not that he was too strong

sonic fractal
#

At the end of the day it’s their vision/call and they want the game to be enjoyable at all levels

ruby tide
#

even before the nerf most good people agreed taz was one of the worst characters in the game

thorny comet
balmy adder
sonic fractal
thorny comet
#

why would this game specifically die so much

ruby tide
#

probably just this game has server issues still

balmy adder
#

And now taz is doo doo garbage because they overcompensated for something that was never really a problem

lone zinc
balmy adder
#

You get what im saying though

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"Devs said it was bad" isnt always a valid argument in terms of game balance

sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

bmo is so strong though

sonic fractal
#

And they were right

balmy adder
ruby tide
#

wait finns up b uses money?

sonic fractal
balmy adder
#

Yes thats why people keep dying so early they keep getting hit by it at max power with 1k gold at tge top of the stage

ruby tide
#

LMAO i didnt even know that

balmy adder
#

Bmo is a bm move it should stay how it is

lone heath
ruby tide
#

bmo isnt even that hard to hit but it is kinda bm

sonic fractal
ruby tide
#

unrelated

#

i REALLY wish you could remove the arrow below your character

sonic fractal
#

And if you miss you have to rely on something else

balmy adder
#

Why use bmo when up b does everything bmo does without setup and is less expensive

ruby tide
#

idk why theres options for every hud element except that one

lone heath
balmy adder
sonic fractal
eternal moon
#

one slight issue is with fast falling, I wish it didn't fast fall unless you hold the jump and down or make that a possible option

lone heath
balmy adder
sonic fractal
#

Nerf

balmy adder
#

If bmo was good you would see infinitely more complaints about they/them than backpack

sonic fractal
eternal moon
#

only problem I have with the backpack is it has priority for some reason

balmy adder
sonic fractal
#

It turns finn more technical than spammy

balmy adder
#

Not every character needs to be technical and shop is instant

sonic fractal
#

It actua targets ABOVE Finn

eternal moon
#

Finn's range is a problem

zinc nimbus
#

tree fort is so bad map

eternal moon
#

it's like double every other pure melee char

balmy adder
sonic fractal
#

So if you’re new and trying to punish you can get hit even if you do everything right

sonic fractal
balmy adder
eternal moon
#

bugs rocket might have this same issue

balmy adder
sonic fractal
eternal moon
#

sometimes it seems to hit when it doesn't look like it does

brisk harness
#

Personally i believe the people asking for something after the battle pass are not playing for fun, but playing for completion.

That being said, i believe you should get a little kick back for levelling up your character past 15 or getting further in the BP after completing everything.

Doesn’t have to be big, i was just thinking something like 100 gold per level up after 15.

But thats just my 2 cents, love the game 😄

sonic fractal
eternal moon
#

you get more perks past 15

sonic fractal
eternal moon
#

I think you can unlock every one eventually

sonic fractal
#

It’s getting fixed too though

sonic fractal
balmy adder
eternal moon
#

It's fine if it's close, but bugs and finn aren't really close

#

bugs bats better than hank arron

sonic fractal
#

I think games should improve upon their predecessors

balmy adder
brisk harness
balmy adder
sonic fractal
eternal moon
#

I'm overall pretty happy with the beta balance, but still needs a little more polish

balmy adder
#

Bmo is a perfect example if that moves hitbox was accurate itd be even harder to hit

lone zinc
sonic fractal
zinc nimbus
#

and superman xd

eternal moon
#

I think superman is pretty fair for animations

balmy adder
eternal moon
#

it's just not every char outranges his air throws

#

but superman might feel better if he only had 1 air dodge cuz 2 is kinda ridiculous

balmy adder
#

Shaggys down tilt if accurate would only have a hitbox on his foot but it covers most of his lower body so that the multihits properly connect and he can combo

#

Oh my god if finn gets nerfed jake is gonna be the next one down the line i remember the last beta where people were complaining about horse and house

sonic fractal
#

If theyre on the character they're fine I agree

eternal moon
#

problem I have with jake is his sheer range that makes his too safe

balmy adder
eternal moon
#

his specials actually feel kinda fair, but the stretchy ones

balmy adder
#

Finns up b hitbox is fine especially for a character designed around acceling at the mid range

eternal moon
#

his up b shouldn't be beating other signature moves from other chars though

balmy adder
#

Its a disjoint that is the purpose of the move to outrange other characters

#

If you think shaggy side b should beat backpack youre wrong

eternal moon
#

in a lot of cases finn can't really be touched by a lot of the less oppressive chars unless they have super armor

balmy adder
#

Not even

eternal moon
#

he's the only char I can kill people in less than 20 seconds with

balmy adder
#

Thats not an indication of finn being broken

#

Tons of characters can do that

eternal moon
#

well considering some of these players are pretty good it is

balmy adder
#

Not really no

#

Even good players can get knowlege checked

#

If your di is awful enough to get roofed by finn at 0 thats a skill issue

#

Especially when trigonometry exists

neat brook
#

man bugs bunny is equal to pac man and im a pac man main myself and ngl he is pretty cool

eternal moon
#

I mean he edge guards the entire corner, and often if you don't dodge it perfectly the attacks prolong so long they hit anyway

balmy adder
#

Bugs is siiiick

balmy adder
neat brook
#

it is pretty funny to trick them with my rocket and put in it in the hole and they get exploded and die

balmy adder
#

You have 6 air stall options you can beat a finn up b

stiff garden
#

i hope you have a rank/mmr per character, that way you dont have to worry when learning new characters

eternal moon
#

that's pretty important cuz it makes it harder to predict for bugs

#

eventually people start memorizing your dumb tactics so the hole switches it up

balmy adder
#

Yes

neat brook
sonic fractal
neat brook
#

this one finn tried to roof me but every time timed my rocket literally perfectly everytime it back fired

balmy adder
eternal moon
#

lol I think half of my games are against finns

balmy adder
#

Last beta it was harley, and prior it was shaggy

neat brook
balmy adder
#

A character being popular is not grounds fir them being bad for the game

eternal moon
#

enough popularity means there is generally a reason why people are picking them

neat brook
#

I like bugs and tom and jerry

eternal moon
#

it's more apparent when I see 2 of them

neat brook
#

really at the most

eternal moon
#

especially when I see almost even representation for every other char but 1

balmy adder
#

I dont want to be up all night telling yall skill issue so ill just say that you probably shouldnt ask for nerfs if you arent willing to learn anything about how to counter it because people can do the same thing for your main and an overabundance of it is just going to lead to a ton of chars losing options and overall bogging down the games depth and variety going forward

I cant stop you but i at least would like to try

stiff garden
eternal moon
#

playing the chars does help you understand them a lot more in general

carmine flame
#

Is the game two players

eternal moon
#

up to 4, but I'm more amazed at how you are here without playing it yet

balmy adder
#

One thing tho

#

Really needs addressing

#

This game needs a hitbox viewer because a lot of hitbox complaints are happening becaue of lag compensation (which shouldnt exist in a fighting game at all) and people are making incorrect claims about character hitboxes being big when in reality its just the game giving correction for bad connections

trail lintel
#

Pretty sure Tony said he also wants to see that in training

eternal moon
#

ya I think the one suffering from the bad connection should be the only one at a disadvantage

balmy adder
#

Thats unfortunately not how online games work

eternal moon
#

I'm pretty sure I've already seen lag switching due to it already

trail lintel
#

That is when you put a server in the middle

#

At least, theoretically that's the entire point of having the servers

#

Instead of P2P

balmy adder
trail lintel
#

The netcode is fantastic when the server you're on isn't on fire

eternal moon
#

I mean some games it works fine, but some games it rewinds time and redoes the events

balmy adder
trail lintel
#

Yeah. The advantage of having servers would be the server is law and someone with a bad connection should be skipping and resyncing to the server while the person with the good connection plays a smooth game

balmy adder
eternal moon
#

within reason, the issue is the connections from the tin foil on top of a clothes hanger

balmy adder
trail lintel
balmy adder
#

Thats a 1 sided rollback issue which this game has a ton of

#

~~which might not be fixable unfortunately ~~

trail lintel
#

Connection problems should all be one sided in this case and that's a good thing. The person with the bad connection should only affect themselves

eternal moon
#

naw it's usually one sided benefitting the one with the bad connection

balmy adder
trail lintel
#

i know it's not when it's P2P

#

the entire point of having servers is to have an intermediary that you have a solid connection to, regardless of if your opponent is on mcdonalds wifi

eternal moon
#

location might be an issue too

balmy adder
#

Fighting games with good rollback work to keep players in sync with no compensation or advantages for either player in the event of a hiccup

eternal moon
#

I have no idea how many people I'm facing are from india or china or something either

balmy adder
#

Theres been theories that the netcode they designed is a rehash of the netcode thats frequently used in mobas and fps games which is HORRIBLE for fighting games

trail lintel
#

this game is different because it functions differently than 99% of fighting games

#

there's this, brawlhalla, and (unfortunately) that Virtua Fighter 5 rerelease

balmy adder
#

But also no

#

Its more about what happens in a rollback thats different but its hard to explain

trail lintel
#

i have an understanding of how rollback works

verbal yacht
#

I'd take this games netcode as is over the vast majority of online fighting game experiences any day.

trail lintel
#

that's the entire reason the guy with the bad connection would be constantly resyncing with the server

#

resulting is what looks like jumping around on their end

balmy adder
#

Bh has conventional rollback, vf has no rollback, this has some weird ass Frankenstein rollback

balmy adder
#

That jumping would still happen in p2p games with rollback

eternal moon
#

ya seems to be favoring what happens on their client for some reason

trail lintel
#

theoretically, if the servers aren't on fire

balmy adder
trail lintel
#

yes

#

and for the player with the bad connection it would keep syncing and look like suttery garbage

#

the whole idea behind rollback is constantly correcting for desyncs

balmy adder
#

This same thing happens with p2p

#

That desync happens when lag happens

trail lintel
#

no, if one person has a connection problem in P2P, both players feel it

balmy adder
#

One sided rollback can still happen in peer to peer games

trail lintel
#

cool this isn't a p2p game

balmy adder
#

I know

eternal moon
#

ya happened in Diablo 2 a lot XD

balmy adder
#

The server isnt whats causing the jumping its bad rollback netcode

eternal moon
#

is it possible to make an official announcement about how MMR is calculated and how matchmaking works? i am asking this because yesterday i was playing a mastery level 3 character and i got in mach with mastery levels 17 and 20

trail lintel
#

the only way you're going to fix that is with input delay

#

to create more of a time buffer

balmy adder
#

This is true

#

There is no selectable delay which is bad

eternal moon
#

I'm also thinking it would be too hard to do matchmaking when you can switch your char between best of 3's

balmy adder
#

But even then whatever their algorithm is for input prediction is still bad for it to get that jumpy without ever just flat out dcing

trail lintel
#

algorithm for input prediction

eternal moon
#

so start with a lvl 1, then switch to a lvl 10 after

trail lintel
#

you mean "do the last thing you were doing until further notice"?

balmy adder
#

Yes, but its more complicated than that

eternal moon
#

still the perks are only minor differences, I can still win as a lvl 1 vs a lvl 20 if they bad enough

trail lintel
#

there is no like actual "prediction" going on here. just "if you don't receive new input, keep doing what you were doing last frame that's probably right"

balmy adder
#

I need to sleep ill talk about this later maybe

narrow warren
#

can we fix bugs and superman’s ridiculous hurtbox it’s actually so bizarre

buoyant anchor
#

idk if its just me but I feel like when I'm trying to do and Up air on nearly any character i get a side air, I dont know if more or less deadzone would help this. but what I've read is that there is a bit of a snap back issue with stick?

ruby tide
#

you could adjust your deadzones

#

oh

#

unless your controller is really old or you're using a gamecube controller its unlikely that you have snapback

#

and snapback wouldnt cause up air to read as a side air

buoyant anchor
#

maybe snap back isnt the right term

#

I'm using a ps5 controller

ruby tide
#

yeah i dont think any ps5 controllers have snapback unless someone uses them as a bouncy ball

buoyant anchor
#

yeah I didn't mean snapback then

ruby tide
#

im using a ps5 controller to and i havent noticed anything like that

buoyant anchor
#

Like the stick has to reset postion before the proper directions goes through or something

#

is what im finding

ruby tide
#

it could be as simple as you holding the controller at an angle and not noticing, it happens to a lot of people getting into these types of games

buoyant anchor
#

I have been paying attention to that and I'm staying pretty level or whatever you'd call iot

#

its like when i go to lasso on WW and she does it the oppisite way

ruby tide
#

have you tried turning off steam controller input and all other third party controller programs

#

and just playing wired

buoyant anchor
#

yeah I've done that

ruby tide
#

if you do a move left and it goes right that is snapback

woven briar
#

I use a steam controller and haven't noticed any sort of issue like that at any point.

ruby tide
#

or snapback could cause that rather

buoyant anchor
#

huh yeah idk then

#

will more deadzone or less deadzone help with directional input?

earnest hollow
#

decay should do lesser dmg then what its at. You can still spam a move till knock zone regardless of it (jakes stretchy arm, bugs bat)

eternal moon
#

Everyone I go up against in 1v1's are playing Finn. I am the type of guy who always do rematch, but the past day I have rematched everyone exept for Finn lol

hexed lantern
#

Nerf Finn everything abt him needs a nerf not bugs idiots

#

That’s the cold hard truth

eternal moon
#

fr

#

Never go up against him in 2v2 but always in 1v1

shadow veldt
#

there should be a campaign

eternal moon
shadow veldt
#

for people who might be getting bored of the same thing over and over

eternal moon
#

play another game

shadow veldt
#

idk just a 3 am thought

eternal moon
#

think it's better if they focus at making multiplayer better

shadow veldt
#

yeah youre right

eternal moon
#

I don't think this is the game that needs a campaign

narrow finch
#

could you make a double xp event for the launch of the season 1??

quasi trellis
mighty hazel
#

FIX the servers

indigo scroll
#

Please stop giving me back missions I reroll

pastel carbon
#

wht is this servers, when i'm not randomly disconnected i'm hitting but then my hits doesn't proc even if them are clearly hitting my opponent. MY HAMMER JUST WENT INSIDE BUGGS and nothing happened. wtf is that???
Everything that has a small hitbox is so damn disgusting to hit, you have to gamble with them who's hit will proc first.

sonic fractal
shadow vine
#

I dont think steven should be a kid

his two series and a movie show his growth as a character through his growing up

steven being a child in this feels like an insult to the character that is trying to be portrayed

white surge
#

The character class missions are annoying. I keep getting the Mage ones despite there being only 2 mages, and neither are in the current rotation. Coins are scarce and I only have 2 characters fully unlocked so far. I rerolled the Mage one and got it again, then got 2 wins as Bruiser and 2 wins as Support. I'm way behind on battle pass points so I have to do as many missions as possible and its just annoying not being able to play the character you want.

indigo scroll
fiery hatch
#

we need a way to go back to toast people
i just had a great teammate but pure instinct accidentally made me press the X button on my controller, and i couldnt get back to toast :(

indigo scroll
#

Yeah that happens to me every now and then

#

I hope a lot of these things get addressed when they game releases officially

steady storm
#

3v3 Mode

shadow vine
#

Make wins badges show 1v1s wins as well as teams wins or an option for a teams wins badge and a 1v1s wins badge

obsidian pine
#

We need more servers like asia or middle east I've been experiencing so much lag

pseudo token
#

when the mouse is set to be allowed to go out of the window, allow it all the time and stop placing it at the center of the window

eternal moon
urban hound
#

I wish Cake had as many voice lines as Jake. Kinda feels like a downgrade

quasi trellis
tiny valley
#

Servers lag. Europe is lagging

pseudo token
#

For Steven, would be nice to have some watermelon stats like other players

#

(my watermelon just killed my opponent and it didn’t count as a ko for me)

#

damn I wish I could rewatch that watermelon kill that was hilarious

shrewd nimbus
#

Steven's side shield highlight is always yellow for some reason, his up shield does change with your highlight of choice but idk why the side one doesn't take affect.

Thought this was worth checking on idk <3

eternal moon
#

Yall should put missions tha give coins also

#

Like 50 coins each

cunning oracle
#

I agree, high level coin grind is very annoying

languid frigate
#

they should add VC , when doing 1 v 1 - u can talk to ur opponent (mute dem n mute urself if u don’t wanna talk to them) and in 2 v 2 u can talk to ur teammate (mute dem n urself if u don’t want to talk)

strange ridge
true wraith
#

I wouldn't mind a VC option in general- a few, actually.

1v1 would just have opponent VC, toggled off to start (so people with hot mics for discord or something don't accidentally talk to the opponent).
2v2 would have team VC and opponent VC, both starting off (same reasoning).

#

FFA would have the same VC options but you could toggle the other 3 players individually- if someone is being toxic you can mute just them and leave the other 2 players on

zinc nimbus
#

mmr system is so bad and broken

grand sable
winter ridge
#

pls stop with evolutive map batman hook doesn't handle them correctly you end up SD when tree explode on tree world

atomic ocean
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you NEED to nerf fin assap im tired of beating people and when we rematch they take fin and just spam the same 2 attack is backpack spin can barely be dodge and it can be spam its sooooo broken

hexed scaffold
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Stop ability spam

agile mauve
#

Will there be a Middle East server by any chance?
Its unfair to play with high ping.

topaz gorge
#

Reindog looks too sad when he loses and it makes me sad so pls fix :(

eternal moon
worthy mica
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getting in and out of games faster would be cool. when you find a match you have 45 secs to change perks, what 99% of people usually dont even do, so 20 secs would be fine. most people usually tab out of the game when queueing up so you will have to wait 45 seconds for the game to start. also the idk 5-6 seconds after the last stock are kind of wasted too, people usually only use it to teabag lol i would rather like to get into a quick rematch

indigo dust
#

Fix Jake side air

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Add a cooldown to it or something

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Just nerf Jake in general tbh

urban hound
#

when I decline a rematch I wish it didn't make me wait

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I wish it exited instantly

wary raptor
#

multiversus in nintendo when?

simple thorn
#

why do people not rematch, y’all know it doesn’t benefit both of us right? 😭

candid star
#

make match automatic win if someone rage quits, I have a lot of rage quitters and it results in me not receiving rewards, as someone who is trying to level every character to 15 and put in many hours, it results in a lot of wasted time

topaz gorge
#

Hopefully normal games will be faster once ranked is introduced

urban hound
#

switching back to Jake because Cake's voice lines are bad. wish I didn't spend money on the Cake skin

true wraith
full aspen
#

fix these serversd

placid hull
#

Nerf finn and hopefully the pack of IRL side characters that play jake & finn will leave this game.

shadow rover
#

Finn's attack speed is too high I can never get close to him even if his damage is reduced from spamming 1 ability

sly lynx
brazen ridge
#

Can you please add an accessibility option to increase text size, especially for the superrrr small text in the settings menus?

shadow rover
#

Low damage but annoying af and doesn't let me do plays

vapid juniper
#

Great job on having the API setup already prepared for sites like tracker.gg collect all the data from

brazen ridge
#

Are there any plans on increasing female skins for more representation? Right now it's just 5 out of 18 starting characters who are women.

sly lynx
shadow rover
sly lynx
wide wolf
#

After you reach level 15 on a character, keep the leveling up thing but as you level up you earn gold

sly lynx
sly lynx
neon stag
#

I wish Rhythm for Garnet was a bit more useful, it feels almost useless.
I think it would be cool if her abilities could refresh slightly faster while in Rhythm.

junior kayak
#

The game needs middle eastern servers, because the game has gotten so huge it has also reached us over here. I keep lagging every game and barely have any good games in Europe which is the closest to me. Please me and my friends would like to enjoy the game more so please consider putting middle Eastern servers.

trail lintel
#

i'm surprised they let you guys even connect after locking out all of asia

junior kayak
#

We occasionally have some good games

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But mostly disconnects

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But yeah Asia and the Middle East are very different

eternal moon
#

Who is the best character

steady junco
#

rn probably bugs tom and jerry velma and or batman

lunar heron
#

If they don’t nerf finn soon I’m going to kill myself

latent sonnet
#

add waluigi to the game

#

ong

boreal lion
lone zinc
#

could probably alleviate some of this if they put the information out to more places
Edit: like in the discord

boreal lion
#

I agree

tiny trail
#

Would love the game to have a music and voice library like Smash Bros. has

molten umbra
#

@tiny trail maybe it would be great if we can choose a music to play from it when fighting ?

tiny trail
#

Exactly! That would be cool too!

cedar hedge
#

why is bugs up +air able to hit behind him from so far?

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dodge through it and still get hit after the swing is in front of him. physics how do they work?

bronze prism
#

I'm so glad Finn is getting nerfed

eternal moon
#

Nerf Finn please

#

Like, Shaggy, buff him man

queen summit
#

Man speaks like & acts like Shaggy

bronze prism
eternal moon
true wraith
#

Yeah I feel like things need to be brought down rather than bringing shaggy up

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Whenever I fight a shaggy that knows what they're doing I never really feel cheated out of a win or like I completely stomped on them bc they're a bad character, always feels like a justified fight

dapper perch
#

Nerf fins bag and make it not stun for 50 hours

jovial panther
bronze fog
#

Nerf everyone to the point where nobody wins 😍

bronze prism
slow ginkgo
#

let us see seasonal challenges while searching/ load in screen

solid basin
#

for the end of the season it would be a good idea to give a badge for the top 30 players

paper badge
#

If there was an option to add perk loadouts and a post/pre game chat function, that would be awesome. Though I know such a thing isn’t that simple.

sonic fractal
#

Daily Finn nerf reminder.

primal cloud
#

We should get some type of way to record bot behavior and a way to display input on the screen for combo practice

maiden viper
#

since i cant curse i gotta dumb down how angry i am at this but 2 losses shouldnt put someone who is top 200,000 to top 2 million

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i know there are a lot of people playing rn but cmon he played batman and spammed his basic attack he isnt good at all lmao

primal cloud
mighty hazel
#

fix the lag

maiden viper
pearl badge
#

Making it so me and someone else can couch co-op online would be fire. instead of adding an online friend, I could just add a second controller. That would be fire.

true wraith
#

On the short loss penalty- if you dont get KO'd you shouldnt get penalized and get whatever rewards you normally would. I just had a match with (I think) a bugged player and they got KO'd 4 times in a row in the span of like 25s and couldn't/wouldn't do anything.

bronze fog
limber crypt
#

Can there be a pause when battling bots in Middle the match.

halcyon willow
#

Someone who's new to the game shouldn't be paired with level 30's

verbal yacht
#

I think Finn is less of an issue and the major issue is how janky hotboxes are and the lack of attack priority in this game, which Finn can capitalize on.

#

Finn is just a low hanging fruit

void wigeon
halcyon willow
true wraith
#

Yeah playing enough games to max out a character means you're going to be at least decent

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You'll know what you're doing more than likely

trail lintel
#

i have 300+ games with batman. i can play someone else and it'll show me as lvl 1. character level is only a representation of time played, not skill

halcyon willow
#

This is Account level

void wigeon
true wraith
trail lintel
#

ok, account level is still a representation of time played, not skill

true wraith
sour nest
#

The hit detection needs work

halcyon willow
#

Not player level, Man has played 3 games in total And is getting paired with me who's played 1000 and same with the enemy team

true wraith
#

Sure it might be a representation of time

halcyon willow
#

Alright, then I can tell you right now he played like a level 3

true wraith
#

But time more often than not means you'll have at least experience if not skill

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Especially in fighting games

sour nest
#

Also the servers need work

halcyon willow
#

I didn't really expect this to be an argument.

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Ofc level doesn't equal skill, but you wouldn't put someone who just started playing, against someone who's been playing for 100+ hours, that's just common sense imo if you want to keep a playerbase growing

true wraith
#

Getting curbstomped like that just isn't fun, competitive game or not

sour nest
#

Ya they need sbmm or something

halcyon willow
#

Exactly, People like to say that this is casual and we don't need matchmaking, but

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Exactly

true wraith
#

Just like how balance is important, matchmaking is too, ranked or casual, for fun or tryhard Tuesday

halcyon willow
#

People who play casually just shouldn't be paired with sweats, no one has fun in that

upbeat kestrel
#

I can say I'd rate this matchmaking like 2/10. Its good because its fast and thats about it. I'd say unless I'm playing with some friends 3/4 of the times the teams feels ridiculously unbalanced for one side or the other. But yeah I've lost count the amount of times I've been matched with lvl2-4 players on my characters that have hundreds of matches into them.

grave bloom
#

fix batman’s hitbox

trail lintel
halcyon willow
#

I'm a sweat

sonic fractal
halcyon willow
#

I'm saying casuals shouldn't be paired up against me, Sweat is a term that I take as me trying hard to get good at the game

grave bloom
#

fin backpack is a easy read

sonic fractal
#

Also the hitbox is ridiculous. Finns hurtbox is also broken so punishing doesn’t work sometimes.

sonic fractal
upbeat kestrel
#

The biggest issue for me still on this game are the servers. On alpha I could play with 3 bars all the time without any issues. Since release I can never play on 3 bars on EU servers. Its always a gamble and hit priority will always be an issue until they are not running multiple toasters attached to each other

sonic fractal
#

Also I can send you videos of how you can’t even punish it half the time because the hurtbox is wrong.

sonic fractal
halcyon willow
gentle zinc
halcyon willow
#

Most if not all of my losses are with people who are so out of my skill level that they can't even break 100 damage

grave bloom
halcyon willow
#

This just makes me not want to play Cause even when I do win nothing changes, I still get the same level team mates next game and my rank still won't move

river plinth
#

Developers have big eggs, they said that batman grab was fixed (before update i go out of the map like 1% of the times that i use grab), now im getting 80% of the time out of the map, what a big eggs and face

upbeat kestrel
latent night
#

eu servers are horrible these days. constant lag. I know my connection is solid so it has to be the servers

upbeat kestrel
sonic fractal
toxic stone
#

10:30pm BST the game always has server issues

sonic fractal
#

Also Finn is the fastest character on the roster, and extremely heavy. Doesn’t really make sense to have him in the assassin class as he’s currently built

#

<@&882349260409032746> can you do something about the spam in this chat

inland agate
#

Enough folks

#

The good messages are the ones posted once

sonic fractal
trail lintel
#

🍿

primal stratus
#

arya needs a HUGE buff. She takes the most damage in the game and isn't compensated for it. Her dagger constantly gets interrupted, her comboes drop with recovery into upair. She often dies below 70 health. Her kill potential is terrible, killing tanks at over 150dmg consistently. buff arya

storm gull
#

Yeah. I guess an increase of dmg eg. back crits could have increased dmg and/or shorter cd on knife both on miss and hit?

storm gull
halcyon willow
#

For all the talk about assassin's being good, it just doesn't make sense to me, all they have going for them is combos that do less damage and kill at less health than any bruisers specials

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I just got killed at 80 from a shaggy uppercut that wasn't even empowered from the center of the stage, For every attack he got off on me I got 4 off on him, and it didn't matter. If you get touched, you die

primal stratus
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buff Arya. Arya's dagger can be interrupted if she gets hit by teleporting. Meaning she can be teleporting to someone in a 1v1 and get hit by a combo starter while teleporting. You can get 0toD because you activated dagger. Also you get hit by landmines like harley or toms.

tight folio
#

the end of match UX is horrible, it says press X to play again, but all 4 face buttons do that, and it doesn't really make too much sense anyway
"play again" sounds like rematching
maybe dedicated buttons for toasting teammate, continuing, and backing out, and don't put same action on multiple buttons

storm gull
halcyon willow
trail lintel
halcyon willow
primal stratus
#

buff arya. Harley is what arya should be more like, a good assassin. Maybe she's a bit too good even.

trail lintel
#

Oh k I was gonna say that's nuts lol

halcyon willow
#

Assassins need to move faster or something, the fact that everyone else can move at the same speed is crazy, If I go in and drop a combo I can't disengage because they are moving at the same speed as me as a tank,

light venture
#

Add keyboard and mouse keybinds to be changeable on console

indigo dust
#

This game is trash

robust tendon
#

Players who disconnect should auto lose their match and get increasing timeouts.

indigo dust
#

Fix your game

halcyon willow
#

Surprised they haven't added it yet tbh

robust tendon
#

Me too. Seeing an increase in players disconnecting right before they lose

halcyon willow
#

Oh, I thought you meant in character select, in game should def be punished

frail saffron
#

Any chance we could get more mmr for getting matched with horrid players?

solemn lance
#

my only feedback is that Scooby Doo Mansion needs to be completely removed

desert fossil
#

fix the console only cross platform option on console, it doesnt work at all

halcyon willow
frail saffron
indigo dust
#

When is the patch notes

frail saffron
halcyon willow
#

Ye, but some people might actually think that

shell pond
#

Buff batman

light venture
#

My feedback is that you should be able to change keyboard and mouse keybinds on console

halcyon willow
#

Batman's broken, literal best 1v1 character

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Nerf Batman

light venture
#

Facts

trail lintel
#

Just wait until grapple is fixed and we are unchained

frail saffron
light venture
#

Finn backpack move hit boxes should be nerfed

shell pond
frail saffron
frail saffron
halcyon willow
light venture
halcyon willow
#

You kill up or down with him, Spikes and uppercuts are broken and have amazing hit boxes

frail saffron
halcyon willow
#

Grapple, bomb and rang are all good

storm gull
#

Yeah a longer cd on rang and we good

delicate bough
#

Please Fix the fatal error bug or make it so you can reconnect mid match i'm tired of losing high rated games because of DC then my partner is left with a bot and i get a loss anyway.

lone zinc
# indigo dust This game is trash

then why are you playing it or on here complaining about it if it's that bad... insulting the game and saying fix it has absolutely no productive value.
And I'm not trying to be rude here but seriously if you see it as that bad then play something else...

delicate bough
#

It's really the only complaint I have about the game

indigo dust
#

Like I can do anything but complain when the game is so broken that people only play 5 characters

#

And it is extremely unclear when they are going to send out the patch notes

trail lintel
#

patch was coming next week at the earliest anyway. maybe a little later now with the season 1 delay but no news one way or the other

sonic fractal
indigo dust
#

well season

halcyon willow
#

Only character I don't see is Garnet and Steven

sonic fractal
indigo dust
#

In 1v1 atleast

halcyon willow
#

I think it's the Opposite

indigo dust
#

Garnet can deflect projectiles....

cursive rain
#

add report unskilled player

indigo dust
cursive rain
#

?

indigo dust
#

Wdym

cursive rain
#

the game needs option to report unskilled player

trail lintel
#

they should add a report unskilled player button that actually does nothing as a placebo for salty people to feel better

indigo dust
cursive rain
#

?

long thistle
indigo dust
#

in 2v2 or what?

cursive rain
#

if I have highish MMR and I'm playing against 2 good players and my teammate has double digit damage while clearly not lagging

#

that player shouldn't be in these games and there should be an option to tell people that

frail saffron
indigo dust
cursive rain
#

it's unfair to them

frail saffron
lone zinc
cursive rain
#

and it's unfair to me

indigo dust
indigo dust
#

This is not a indie game

frail saffron
frail saffron
indigo dust
#

Seems really dumb to me

frail saffron
lone zinc
indigo dust
copper canyon
#

right stick keybinds for keyboard

frail saffron
frail saffron
halcyon willow
#

That is how games work, otherwise people don't know whats strong and have to relearn everything

indigo dust
#

That is just my expectations

frail saffron
indigo dust
lone zinc
frail saffron
halcyon willow
#

Like SFV released a patch right before a big tourny and people just didn't play

frail saffron
cursive rain
#

fortnite tournaments had insane prize pools

#

top esport gamers make more than most athletes tbh