general

[small nymph]

Remember when they revealed Byleth to be the “distance demon” lmao

[warm holly]

and he's got multiple jumps and insane advantage state

[fluid chasm]

lmao and they reused a cutscene from the game for their reveal trailer

[warm holly]

so if you made ridley have more range it'd be dangerous territory and his weight would probably drop even further to compensate

[small nymph]

They could’ve made him like 2x bigger and nerfed his air speed and ground speed

[warm holly]

since smash doesn't rlly seem interested in making heavies as cumbersome as they were in previous installments

[fluid chasm]

kazuya was dope

[small nymph]

Heavies were only cumbersome because they thought power should be balanced by being slow

And it turns out being fast is always better

And being big is almost always worse

[warm holly]

see then you don't rlly reflect the character because in metroid ridley is generally seen at his most oppressive in the air but if you nerf his air speed then hes pushing ganondorf tier of speed in the air which wouldn't rlly make sense for a big dragon with wings

[small nymph]

He’s already pretty slow in the air ngl

[warm holly]

exactly, and thats a massive fail in his design imo

[small nymph]

And Ganon is an absolute joke compared to his source material

[fluid chasm]

they really hate ganon

[warm holly]

he uses his wings to run fast on the ground but then his air physics are awful

[small nymph]

After over 20 years, he’s still a Falcon clone

[warm holly]

it doesnt rlly make sense

i think ganondorf is like

[fluid chasm]

but but doriyah

[small nymph]

Kazuya did it better

[warm holly]

unless they entirely scrap his kit, he'll never be changed

[fluid chasm]

true

[small nymph]

I actually hate the revoiced dorya

[fluid chasm]

mario better get a new moveset to catch up to modern

[small nymph]

It sounds so much better in actual Tekken

[vague sage]

S

[fluid chasm]

cappy dive should be his new side b

[small nymph]

Hey hey he is modern. He got a cappy taunt lmao

[fluid chasm]

that's all they gave man

[vague sage]

Ohio sigma skibidi all y'all suck 1v1 me

[small nymph]

I know that’s the joke

[vague sage]

I used to be a pro all y'all suck

[fluid chasm]

I really wouldn't mind if they replace fluuid

[vague sage]

1v1 me in my prime bois

[small nymph]

Abracadabra alakazime go waste someone else’s time

[vague sage]

Yeah you're so scared

[fluid chasm]

no one cares lil bro

[sharp moon]

Did you have a job when you was in this so called "prime"

[kind fern]

I think they’ll change him for the next smash game

Since it’ll be the smash game with the most development time they have a chance now

[sharp moon]

All washed up put the oil in the pan and get to cooking

[kind fern]

Also if you can’t get a bigger roster than ultimate the best next step is to overhaul the old stuff

[warm holly]

thats true yeaa but like

[small nymph]

Cooking? Nah if he’s washed, he’s the busboy

[fluid chasm]

ramen cups on the floor

[warm holly]

lowkey
considering switch 2 plays switch games and switch 2 games, i do kinda just see just

[sharp moon]

LMFAO These comments

[warm holly]

they come back to the game and release more characters
or
they just make ultimate deluxe

[small nymph]

It’s been a while since I’ve had the opportunity for some gold old fashioned trash talking

[sick jewel]

did this game die?

[small nymph]

I feel like it’s either gonna be ultimate deluxe or something significantly more watered down because I think Sakurai made it clear that ultimate was his last Smash game

[kind fern]

I think that’s a possibility, but I also feel like Sakurai is the type of guy who would want to make a new game completely, and also I think Nintendo would want the money from a new game

[kind fern]

He always says that every game, and he says he’s working on something

[small nymph]

Oh Nintendo knows that Smash is free money

I’m sure there’s gonna be another Smash game eventually

[kind fern]

Yeah specially since the switch 2 announcement kind of got treated like the Wii U announcement, with people saying “we already have a switch so why get a switch 2?” So I think just from a business perspective

I’d make a new game

[warm holly]

i wouldnt say its his last game, he said melee was his last then he did brawl and so on. in an interview he did say every smash game is released with the intent of it being the last. however this game iwata's last mission for sakurai as sakurai says, so I wouldn't be shocked if maybe Sakurai just took a step back and was more of an overseer than an actual hands of developer the next time around

[small nymph]

I’m anticipating the switch 2 to be a flop

Just like the Wii U

[small nymph]

This is essentially what I was getting at

But I feel a more hands off approach could lead to a worse game

If Sakurai has as much influence as I’m thinking he does

[kind fern]

They did also say that some switch games won’t be playable in switch 2, it would be kind of bummy if one of those games was smash buuuut

They couuuuld

[grave umbra]

Real talk, ultimate has too many characters

[small nymph]

Oh absolutely

I’d rather cut the roster in half and give each one a much more inspired moveset than add another 20 watered down characters because they ran out of ideas

[kind fern]

I think they’re going to have to really impress people with the switch 2 games for it not to flop

[small nymph]

The fact that it’s actually called switch 2 is what’s going to hurt the most

[limber onyx]

It will have Pokémon so it will sell millions

[small nymph]

It’s not like PlayStation where they’ve already set the standard with their naming

[kind fern]

It’s going to be over whenever the pokemon community is tired of unfinished, unpolished and glitchy games

Cause Gamefreak sucks

[limber onyx]

Yeah, it’s mostly kids so not gonna happen

[small nymph]

Lmao wishful thinking

I’m personally not into Pokémon but a lot of my friends are

And every year I get to hit them with the “fell for it again” award

[grave umbra]

You would expect the multi billion dollar franchise to have quality games

[small nymph]

Look at call of duty. Multi billion dollar corporation now owned by Microsoft and the most recent games have been pretty bad

MW2023 is the one exception because Sledgehammer Games actually listens to the community and makes good changes

[small nymph]

The highest quality games I’ve played recently are all indie games

Been playing a lot of Balatro recently and I heard there’s a new update on the horizon

[kind fern]

I’ve heard a lot of good things about Balatro but I haven’t tried it yet

[kind fern]

It’s cause all the big companies are just doing live service stuff

[celest herald]

I’ve been playing the new Prince of persia game on steam deck. I’ve been enjoying it ngl. 👀

[raw bronze]

#SaveMultiversus!! lets go we can do it!

[kind fern]

Please 😭

[raw bronze]

Play and push, share with friends and we can do it!

[sharp moon]

<@&882349260409032746> He's saying the same thing over and over again check his message history

[raw bronze]

????? what its your problem man

[small nymph]

It’s a very fun and addicting game. If you like card games at all, you’ll probably like it

If you do get into it, my only recommendation is to turn the game speed to 4x because the base game speed is very very slow

If you’ve seen any gameplay from streamers or YouTube videos, everyone plays at 4x speed

[uncut ember]

Honestly I want SaveMVS to work but it's not gonna work without a much larger voice

Like HBox or someone

[karmic isle]

I mean posting the hashtag in here is preaching to the choir

[small nymph]

Even with a larger voice, I don’t think that would change anything

The sheer amount of hate MVS gets for simply existing is absurd

Tbf it did take nearly a full year for the game to get into a decent state

[stark jetty]

I kind of wish the devs could comment about what it would take to get us a few more seasons

[small nymph]

Which most people just don’t have time for

[stark jetty]

I fully believe none of them truly want to shut the game down

[small nymph]

I don’t think it’s up to the devs

I’m pretty sure WB as the publisher has the final say on whether the game lives or dies

[stark jetty]

Well yeah, this is absolutely a WB decision

They shut down suicide squad, cancelled mk 1 dlc, and we got this info within a month or two

[small nymph]

Tbh I think the biggest issue plaguing WB games is corporate greed

[stark jetty]

I honestly believe the devs got the shutdown notice week before season 5 was dropping

[small nymph]

MVS with like 3 more months of dev time to implement the remaining features and iron out the bugs that were discovered early on (and more time QA testing) and a rework to their monetization probably would’ve made the game live

But the game was clearly pushed out too early and relaunched in a state worse than the beta

[warm holly]

fork found in the kitchen

[stark jetty]

The game should have launched May of 2025

[kind cedar]

Many such cases

[stark jetty]

Honestly not even launched, they should have had a second beta

[urban cape]

You can't give a 1 year deadline and then not have enough

[small nymph]

If the game launched with shields and the other previously implemented combat changes up until that point and then a few months later got the equivalent of the season 5 combat overhaul, the game would’ve been fine

[warm holly]

mind when we didnt hear anything from mvs and the first news we got of it coming back was a mcdonalds ad, then we were given the "mic test 1, 2, 3, is this thing on" tweet or whatever it was

[stark jetty]

They basically had to rebuild the entire game

[urban cape]

People seem to forget they said early 2024 and that there was a lot of complaining when it was not January/February, and that before that there was a constant nagging of DeAd GaMe and that it was cancelled

[supple panther]

They somehow launched with less features than the beta 😭

[small nymph]

And for the monetization, there’s no reason why they couldn’t have released a like $30 pack to unlock the entire base roster

[stark jetty]

Like I said, the game needed more dev time before a relaunch

[small nymph]

That alone would’ve saved offline tournaments

[kind cedar]

Switching to UE5 is honestly probably the biggest culprit

[small nymph]

Because no one would ever pay $250 per setup just for the characters

[kind cedar]

Ate a lot of time for no real benefit

[warm holly]

i mean what would have saved offline was the game being playable offline

[small nymph]

The benefit is fixing their spaghetti code and allowing patches to be more easily implemented

Which I’d argue is a good thing. But they clearly weren’t ready

[small nymph]

That too

[warm holly]

it required, and still might require, internet connection to play offline which is an issue for venues that don't have great wifi or free wifi

[small nymph]

Forced online only is absolutely killing games

[warm holly]

• perks wouldnt have been free

what the game needed to even get off the floor offline was every character and perk being free offline

even if it was bad competitively it would have atleast had a few diehard fans offline and then maybe the potential to draw people in

[kind cedar]

The crazy thing is I'm pretty sure they already had to change that in the beta so why was it back to paying for offline characters in the full release

Did they accidentally revert it or something?

[warm holly]

idek..
there was a ton of "bugs" that would convienently lead to wb making more money if they were let be, like buying lives in the hardest difficulty of rifts

[limber onyx]

Perk currency they gave out in insane amounts so it’s not like that really mattered

I have like 100k perk currency

[kind cedar]

100k is honestly less than you think lol

If you try to actually buy perks for every character that adds up fast

[limber onyx]

I do typically just use one or two characters per season, but like half those perks are worthless anyway and shouldn’t be bought

[unreal tulip]

I never got the point of having to buy perks.
It just slowed down new players in trying new things while old players could buy all they wanted

[limber onyx]

In any case, beta you had to level up a character to earn perks which was also annoying

Also slowed down new players

[kind cedar]

Yeah it’s just another way the game punishes new players for some reason

They give out loads of perk currency in events but the amounts they give are so tiny lol. I had like 100k at launch and I’m pretty sure I ended up at like 130k or something like that before I started spending it with this last patch

[night perch]

I hate when I play multiversus and I rage quit or get bodied by one campers and PFG immediately gives me bots to fight

[small nymph]

I have closer to 200k

[small nymph]

That’s not some sort of SBMM in the background like CoD. That’s just very low player count and the game actively does not try to match you with the opponent that you just previously played

[latent bronze]

I agree, bots have no place in any online pvp match queues imo

[small nymph]

Only works for one game tho and you can run into the same opponent every other match

[latent bronze]

well thats the thing though if you lost enough matches in a row back in the day even with over 100k players you still got bots

the game does it to keep you playing by "giving you one"

[small nymph]

Wait bots as in like CPU bots? Or bots as in like bad players?

[latent bronze]

Computers

[small nymph]

Oh

[latent bronze]

yea that kinda thing feels really bad for players that can spot them

the game is just giving you a pity match instead of letting you play

[small nymph]

I knew that was an issue in the beta but I didn’t know it also existed in the relaunch

[kind cedar]

I personally don't mind the bots but it should really be a toggle somewhere lol

You can just play ranked and avoid them now at least I suppose

[night perch]

But it doesn't feel good in this game to get bots

In fortnite you at least get xp and whatever

[bold brook]

if bots were actually good I'll enjoy fighting them.

[night perch]

You get 50 XP for winning a game here, not worth it.

That's worthless

[spice horizon]

Why do ppl play fortnite? Isn't it bad?

[spice horizon]

It used to be good for farming event currency like cybucks but they nerfed it

[night perch]

No, it's fun

People just have that "Fortnite bad" mentality

[bold brook]

I used to have that mentality when Fortnite was 3ish years old

[fervent lantern]

[deep crescent]

It's a mid game that gets fun with friends, like just about every pvp shooter

[small nymph]

A lot of people hate on it because it’s popular. I don’t like Fortnite because I’ve been completely checked out of battle royale for years now and I have no interest in competitive 3rd person shooters. Especially not ones with bloom as a mechanic

[edgy mauve]

Final season and Rick’s shake emote was never added…

[severe goblet]

Random question, but for Party Animal and The Throne Is Yours, it does not matter if you lead the party or not, right?

[fluid chasm]

fortnite will literally add anything

[cinder compass]

@latent dock this mf gon be the next icon skin

[grim yew]

Huh?

[edgy mauve]

He Has an unused emote they’ve shown a couple of times

[raven goblet]

I bet she could never make you cry because the scars on your heart are still mine…..

[warm holly]

i b cookin with beans

[tidal solstice]

Hi--..

[stone bloom]

Fellas how to get this golden ticket that gives you 1k purple currency?

[warm holly]

It was part of a bundle in the beta

[kind cedar]

You can't get them now, they're from the founder's pack in the beta

[stone bloom]

Aight ty

[round jungle]

Pretty sure that’s fighter tickets. You had to purchase the pack in the beta

[tidal solstice]

🥺

[vivid prism]

So is the game actually getting shut down?

[pliant verge]

yup in ~May?

[spice horizon]

What makes it fun?

[opal onyx]

Unless outcry from fans changes WB's minds, basically yes.

[fluid chasm]

The amount of content Fortnite has

[heavy thicket]

I wish they made another rift or something, I can't play any games bc it kicks me out so I only have rifts but I can play them 5 times a day

[vagrant thunder]

You can play rifts from previous seasons.

[dawn sandal]

Keep forgetting this game is shutting down then i get sad

[heavy thicket]

I mean yeah but i have gems maxed out

[vivid prism]

[pliant verge]

[stark jetty]

[worn lily]

they should've picked daffy duck over taz ngl

[merry nova]

HARD disagree. Taz is one of my favs

[worn lily]

what about daffy over marvin

[merry nova]

that one i'd take

[kindred phoenix]

Save multiversus

[lucid schooner]

Marvin more iconic than Taz 🤷‍♂️

[merry nova]

I dunno about that. Marvin never got his own spinoff cartoon

Pushes merch like a champ though. I'll give him that

[worn lily]

they really should've just included every character they had completed this season

instead of just aquaman and lola of all characters

[lucid schooner]

They probably couldn't just do that

They still gotta get approval from wb and the copyright holders of the characters

Its not so simple as just putting them in the game

[fluid chasm]

marvin had a movie that got cancelled

[merry nova]

Aye, and they will have a specific time where they were going to release, like a specific window of time they could be ALLOWED to come out. Usually due to cross promos or tie ins, stuff like that.

So even if its finished, if the contract says they can't be released, and the game shuts down before the contracted time, we just won't ever see em

Dumb, but that's business baby

[vagrant thunder]

The only one I wanted to see was Godzilla.

[lucid schooner]

Yes they're owned by Warner bros but they can't just put whoever they want into multiversus at any given time there is processes and times for when they would have come out not to mention they'd have to put events around them and alt skins it's just not so easy as throwing everything in at once

[merry nova]

YEAH I'm pretty busted up about that

[vagrant thunder]

Maybe Scorpion too.

[fluid chasm]

play fortnite

[vagrant thunder]

It's not the same.

[worn lily]

i wanted to see daffy duck but then they just give me the middle finger and add lola bunny instead

[fluid chasm]

fair enough but I feel like pfg didn't earn that much to be fair

[lucid schooner]

He was never gonna come it was talked about at some point but never worked on

Same with Walter white

[merry nova]

Reptar was one of my favs in NASB 1 and 2 just because I could sort of live out my godzilla dreams

But he's no Godzilla.

[vagrant thunder]

I saw that he was in the list of completed characters.

[merry nova]

(Reptar is cool though)

[kind cedar]

That list is likely fake

The only characters we have good reason to believe are close to done and not being released are Gandalf and Wicked Witch afaik

[worn lily]

so lazy multiversus didnt work on ANY of those characters at all?

[fluid chasm]

4 characters on that list are real

[worn lily]

guessing not daffy duck

[fluid chasm]

daffy was real actually he was supposed to be next season

[kind cedar]

Didn’t say that, but they almost certainly were not sitting on like 10 complete characters

[lucid schooner]

I can confirm that list isn't real... there are finished characters but they are mostly wicked which, gumball, dexter, daffy, ruby and a few others that were in the works scorpion was just in the talking process like Walter white

[worn lily]

so 0 complete characters

[fluid chasm]

gumball was supposed to come as well we got screwed man

[vagrant thunder]

This just shatters my entire universe.

[merry nova]

I can only confirm that daffy was being worked on. I won't specify further. But Daffy was for sure being worked on.

[fluid chasm]

bloo from fosters home was real just they didn't full complete him

[lucid schooner]

Yeah he was worked on idk what happened with that though

[vagrant thunder]

I mean, WB co produced and distributed legendary Godzilla, so I think it wasn't impossible to get him in.

[lucid schooner]

They worked on godzilla he just was never finished

[kind cedar]

I hope some enterprising dev sneaks some unfinished work into the final patch so we can at least have the possibility of modders taking over

[vagrant thunder]

This game needs to continue, like fr.

[fluid chasm]

dexter should have been in like actually been in

[merry nova]

Godzilla was going to be their next big character. But their struggles with IG put that on hold. To the point where they didn't even know if they wanted a second big character. Though I think now that they've got IG figured out, they could have gone back to Godzilla and had it be a huge hit

[lucid schooner]

Uncle grampa was finished and was replaced by Lola Bunny and Static Shock was finished and replaced by Nubia and posion Ivy was in the works and later scrapped for banana guard

[vagrant thunder]

Godzilla would have done numbers, I just know he would. Especially if they did the kit right.

[fluid chasm]

see that right there pissed me off

Idc about lola uncle grandpa would have been very funny and a joke character done right

[merry nova]

All you need is to atomic breath someone off the stage at just the right moment, with that iconic roar going off, and people would have popped OFF for him.

[lucid schooner]

There is even voice lines of characters talking to poison ivy

[wary sorrel]

I hope scorpion from Mortal Kombat will save MultiVersus

[fluid chasm]

I know people want multiversus to live but they just started the lay offs

[vagrant thunder]

His alpha roar against the muto in the 2014 film is the only emote I needed.

[fluid chasm]

I wish it wasn't wasted potential

[sullen quest]

WB’s higher-ups in general (like, not just games) absolutely never look at the big picture.

[lucid schooner]

Damn so pfg is going down with multiversus

[wary sorrel]

LeBron James is in MultiVersus but who else i want in MultiVersus Michael Jordan he was in space jam 1

[fluid chasm]

yeah one of the employees tweeted about it recently

[slim fern]

save multiversus

[lucid schooner]

Its a bit late now

To save multiversus

[wary sorrel]

Let's save MultiVersus so it will never shut down anymore forever YAY

[merry nova]

he'd have so MANY cool costume posibilities too. Different iterations galore, you'd PRINT money from the Kaiju fans

[worn lily]

stupid multiversus cant do anything right

tony's never made 1 good choice in his life

[wet root]

Has anyone gotten cosmetics from the loot boxes? (Not including valentineon nubia)

[fluid chasm]

no I haven't

[vivid prism]

Heavy team fortress 2

[worn lily]

no way it's a character from an actually good game

[marble ginkgo]

Poo

[vivid prism]

[merry nova]

I'm going to have to end up getting every single box to get this costume lol

[vagrant thunder]

Evolved Godzilla, Thermonuclear Godzilla, Mecha Godzilla, Classic Toho Godzilla, space Godzilla, Zilla from the 1998 film, etc.

[vivid prism]

Since multiversus will work offline too, what about the characters? Will they work too?

[merry nova]

Exaaaactly. So many good choices

[vagrant thunder]

I forgot shin Godzilla, and minus one.

But yes, my guy would have made some money.

Now I'll never see him. ;~;

[merry nova]

I don't think we have seen the end of mvs, even if it doesn't come back live seevice style

service*

[vagrant thunder]

I don't know what to think. I'm still too paranoid to spend my character tickets on all that gleamium.

[night perch]

Let's see, battle royale has alot of items, the blade is pretty fun

Rocket Racing fun

And Creative.

[vagrant thunder]

The typhoon blade sucks.

I hate melee weapons in Fortnite.

[fluid chasm]

the typhoon blade is broken

[vagrant thunder]

I honestly hated the chains of Hades more.

But typhoon blade is pretty busted yes.

[fluid chasm]

:3 free combo

[night perch]

It's not the chains of Hades be grateful

Also it's easy to counter the blade

[vagrant thunder]

They should add an item that lets do the atomic breath. Like the Kamehameha.

[vagrant thunder]

I just said I hated this more lol.

[night perch]

All you gotta do is use any automatic weapon and just shoot

[vagrant thunder]

Chains of Hades was god awful.

[night perch]

It was hilarious

You could shockwave midair and snatch people like a hawk

And they would take fall damage too

[vagrant thunder]

The range of the grab was pretty ridiculous.

I never had no one do all the cheesy stuff you're talking about, but even then it was annoying to go against.

[buoyant scaffold]

why are we talking about fork knife on the mvs server?!?! 😭

[tidal solstice]

🥺

[stuck gale]

To counter people jumping around everywhere where Typhoon Blade I usually would use Lock On Pistol if I have it

I killed a Typhoon Blade user midair with it at least one time

[stuck gale]

The MVS devs for some reason deciding to not prioritze probably one of if not the most popular character requests ever

Godzilla

He just got several new movies, why do they need to prioritize two Gremlins (near dead franchise) characters when they could have given people what they were asking for

I am not saying I dislike the Gremlins characters

I just think bringing in the most requested characters would have brought in lots of players

Especially if they’re given away for free and not locked behind stupid rifts

“Cough cough Agent Smith cough cough”

[night perch]

Why do I keep FIGHTING TAZ AND BATMAN

[stuck gale]

IDC who I fight I just
🍌
and hustle
🍌 🛡️ for life

[buoyant scaffold]

they should’ve just given people what we really wanted. skibidi toilet! players would’ve lined up in swarms to purchase that

[vagrant thunder]

Godzilla was up there, but I think Ben 10 has him beat in the most requests.

[jade lake]

Hey guys, I have a question. Since the game is going offline I’m trying to obtain the platinum trophy for the game cus I had like 2-3 trophies from beta times in 2022 but never came back. A friend and I were just about to complete some trophies but even tho we played for more than 25 rounds together (i think) the trophy didn’t pop. Is that a known bug? Or is there any way to check my progress regarding games played and total wins/losses?

[merry nova]

Well I did bring up earlier they decided to put him on hold because of the struggle that IG gave them. They realized big characters came with unique struggles and that balancing them while still representing them in a fair way was a tall order, no pun intended. So for Godzilla I'd say it was more technical limitations that caused him to be put on the back burner. Had nothing to do with popularity

[stuck gale]

How dare you compare Godzilla to Skibidi Toilet

[night perch]

It was gumball, Ben 10, and Mordecai and Rigby

[vagrant thunder]

I would have been first in line to not purchase that.

[stuck gale]

Oh yeah from my memory some of the most requested characters were Godzilla, Ben 10, Gumball, Harry Potter and LOTR characters in general

And yes, Mordecai and Rigby

I feel like Adventure Time and DC were disproportionately represented to the point they override and dominate the roster representation wise

[frail mulch]

Can anyone join me right now

[stuck gale]

Adventure Time and DC were basically the Fire Emblem and then the Pokemon of this game

[buoyant scaffold]

fork knife proved that players want skibidi toilet, not some barney the dinosaur rip off named godzilla from that eminem song

[vagrant thunder]

Godzilla is far more popular than that toilet.

[stuck gale]

True brother, I bought the Skibidi Toielt Backbling

[kind cedar]

Tbh it's really just Banana Guard, the other 3 are more than popular enough to deserve a slot

[vagrant thunder]

And definitely way more iconic.

[stuck gale]

(I think they’re trolling dude)

[jade lake]

It only proved that ppl are somewhat dumb enough to buy like everything u could just imagine xD

[stuck gale]

Oh right, I forgot there were only 4 adventure time characters

[vagrant thunder]

Hard to tell since people actually like that thing.

[stuck gale]

Yeah no DC was definitely the over represented one

[buoyant scaffold]

i already have the rex skin in fork knife, i don’t need godzilla

[kind cedar]

Most of the DC characters are fine choices, it's really just Black Adam and Nubia that are questionable

[stuck gale]

Port Trite is great

[worn lily]

they should've included a third party character, like junkrat fr

[tidal solstice]

Hii--..🥺

[stuck gale]

Black Adam is one of those “movie marketing” characters

Characters literally only added because a movie about them happens to be coming out

Another big example of a “movie marketing” character is Betelgeuse

[vagrant thunder]

Okay yeah, they're trolling.

[stuck gale]

(I forgot how to spell his name, don’t say it three times tho)

[worn lily]

but betelgeuse is goated so it's ok

[tender ridge]

N garnet

[buoyant scaffold]

why u keep using the 🥺?👉👈

[stuck gale]

Overwatch characters would have probably been easy to implement

[merry nova]

Beetlejuice is legit a cool addition. The cross promo with the movie was corny, but he himself is a cool choice

[stuck gale]

Blizzard agreed to let them in Ready Player One

[tidal solstice]

Cause Im sad and soft-- 😭

[stuck gale]

the power hierarchy of MultiVersus, is about to change….

[tidal solstice]

Not possible but ok--..

[vagrant thunder]

[stark jetty]

Some people just like being EMOTIONAL! Online

[stuck gale]

And also to be fair on Player First about yeah, Ben 10

The very nature of his powers would make him one of if not the most difficult and technologically complex characters to develop/implement/design

[stark jetty]

I love puns

[tidal solstice]

True--..

[stuck gale]

Try making a 3d fighting game character that swaps into different models and sizes for every single move

[stark jetty]

Ive seen people text with waves of emotes

[stuck gale]

It’s not gonna be easy

[kind cedar]

Yeah I'm sympathetic to them in this regard because he was undoubtedly a super popular request but a nightmare to design

[stuck gale]

I think they went with the next best choices for 90’s to 2000’s CN that would be much easier to design

(Samurai Jack and Powerpuff Girls)

[tidal solstice]

Punch Time Explosion XL had 2 bens on a shovelware budget ..

[stuck gale]

Yeah but were those Bens well designed at all? What could they do in that game?

[limber onyx]

And their movesets both sucked

[tidal solstice]

Dont shoot the messenger--..

[limber onyx]

Ain’t nobody want Ben with four aliens as specials only

[tidal solstice]

Not like we are getting him anyways--..

[stuck gale]

Realistically I think that’s what a MultiVersus Ben would look like as well

[buoyant scaffold]

🔫

[stark jetty]

At this point, it doesnt matter who we were getting or not

Ben would have been cool

[tidal solstice]

I only wanted marceline and raven so I got what I wanted--..

[stuck gale]

Gumball is also I personally think an absolutely insanely difficult character to design

Alongside Mordecai and Rigby

Because they really have no consistency in their abilities as characters

Moveset wise you’d have to go with either boring and bland that’s easy to design or absolute insanity that’s hard to design

[limber onyx]

I’d suspect they’d do something more interesting, maybe just partial movesets for transformations. Make him like a stance character with aliens

[stark jetty]

Not really, just give him a bunch of references as attacks

Gumball has referenced a ton of things

[buoyant scaffold]

unpopular opinion, i’m glad we didn’t get ben, i didn’t watch the show.

[stuck gale]

I mean, uhh, yeah fisr

SpongeBob was normal in the NASB games and his moveset represents him well enough in those games

[stark jetty]

They could just give him Mario's moveset from smash and it would work

[tidal solstice]

Poor Devs-- They just can't make it work--..

[stark jetty]

They could literally do anything lol

[stuck gale]

Isn’t Shaggy the shoto already?

[kind cedar]

I imagine Gumball and Mordecai/Rigby would end up looking a lot like the NASB characters whose entire movesets are references lol

[stuck gale]

Oh right multiple shotos can exist in the same roster

[buoyant scaffold]

they should have added ishowspeed

[stark jetty]

I honestly don't know what shaggy is, he feels kind of like captain falcon to me

[stuck gale]

No

[worn lily]

junkrat is #1 overwatch hero

[kind cedar]

He's got a flying kick, a projectile, and an uppercut punch. Bro is Ryu

[limber onyx]

Bugs bunny is basically just all refs, don’t see why that couldn’t be other characters

[tidal solstice]

Ew..-

[stark jetty]

But does he

WANT SOME POUND CAKE!!!!

[stuck gale]

What’s wrong?

I mean what else do you want? A bland and boring moveset?

[tidal solstice]

Ew no-..

[stuck gale]

Oh yeah take time

[stark jetty]

This joke maybe a bit dated.... I don't know if people will understand it

[stuck gale]

I think Penny Fitzgerald would have been a really cool character, the shapeshifting fairy version

Probably similar to how Ben 10 would hypothetically be

Penny would probably be a shapeshifting mage/ranged

[tidal solstice]

Are they going to add any more characters and when--

[buoyant scaffold]

they shoulda added mrs frizzle from the magic school bus

[stuck gale]

No, Aquaman and Lola are the final characters

[stuck gale]

What is she gonna do? Run everyone over with the Magic Schoolbus?

[tidal solstice]

They can just shut it down for a while to figure out how to add ben--..

[stark jetty]

I wouldnt expect it, but who knows they could suprise us with like wicked witch, big chungus, or pickle Rick as a final suprise lol

[stuck gale]

It’s permanent tho, they’re done

The game lost a ton of money for Warner Bros

[limber onyx]

A second chance was already crazy with WB, theirs seems impossible

[stuck gale]

That’s why it’s done

[tidal solstice]

Oh
Oh its going away?--

[stuck gale]

Whu, yeah duh

[stark jetty]

It permanent, until the ip gets sold and brought back into production lol

[stuck gale]

Did you not read the news?

[tidal solstice]

But why tho--

People still play it--..

[stuck gale]

Because it sadly flopped

[buoyant scaffold]

🥺

[bold brook]

the save MVS movement isn't going to work and expect the hate wave to come back

[stuck gale]

Yeah but these games cost money to run

If they are losing money keeping it up they have to shut it down

[tidal solstice]

Its more alive than nick brawl lol-- ..

[stark jetty]

This game has recieved hate since day 1, that will never change

[stuck gale]

Nick Brawl isn’t a live service game

[limber onyx]

Because WB wanted fortnite money from the game

[stuck gale]

MultiVersus is

[tidal solstice]

Eww imagine buying it--..

[limber onyx]

And it probably makes a small profit

[stuck gale]

And besides NASB is much more single player oriented than MultiVersus

[stark jetty]

Mvs makes no profit currently lol

[limber onyx]

WB ain’t gonna accept that

[stuck gale]

Are you a child?

[tidal solstice]

Nick brawl 1 had like no single player loll--...

[limber onyx]

Zero proof of this

[bold brook]

NASB 2 has a better rifts than MVS and there's no way changing my mind

[stuck gale]

It has more single player content than MultiVersus

[limber onyx]

All we know is that WB expected it to make 100 million more

[stuck gale]

If the servers for that game shut down you still have the majority of NASB 1

[stark jetty]

What??? THEY LITERALLY STOPPED ACCEPTING MONEY FOR GLEMIUM!!!!

[tidal solstice]

These are multiplayer games not single player--..

[stuck gale]

Not even close, NASB 2 had a roguelike Subspace

[limber onyx]

Well, you got me there

[buoyant scaffold]

they shoulda added amogus or travis scott

[stuck gale]

Dude a Multiplayer Game can have single player content too

[stark jetty]

Thats literally the point of this season

[stuck gale]

Are you trolling or just genuinely too young to be on Discord

[tidal solstice]

Oh ok--

[bold brook]

NASB 2 has it's reputation tarnished of the first one since if NASB 2 came first then people will enjoy playing it more

[tidal solstice]

Just makes no sense to make the game go away over that--.?

Oops didnt mean for question mark--..

[stuck gale]

I thought people liked NASB 1

At least for a bit before most dropped it

[tidal solstice]

If they just add regular show and ben 10 it would make a lot of money--

[stuck gale]

NASB 1 still has a super tiny niche community

[merry nova]

We liked it, sure, but we also knew it wasn't the highest quality product in the world

[tidal solstice]

No one liked it ever--..

[stuck gale]

We don’t know for sure tbh, it could have helped

[bold brook]

they do but the issue was NASB 1 lacked content at launch and got added overtime like voice acting

[tidal solstice]

It was a scam--...

[stuck gale]

Omg stop please

[stuck gale]

You got and owned the game you paid for

[stark jetty]

NASB was a lot worse recieved than NASB 2

[buoyant scaffold]

guys just wait for ssbu remastered on the switch 2, they will add master chief and goku this time

[stuck gale]

MultiVersus is infinitely more of a scam as a currently shutting down live service game than NASB 1

[tidal solstice]

You could pay for a shovelware or just play multiversus for free--..

[stuck gale]

Shovelware can be good look at NASB 2

[stark jetty]

I'm expecting a full new smash for switch 2 with a selling point being the best online in the smash series

[stuck gale]

NASB 1 is objectively worse for sure

[tidal solstice]

That doesnt look much better but well you are not wrong--..

[stuck gale]

NASB 2 is genuinely a decent game

[bold brook]

It's underrated too

[stark jetty]

NASB 2 made a critical error of cutting the roster though

Making shredder a boss was irritating

[stuck gale]

Say Stinger tell me, which one has more single player content
MultiVersus or NASB 2

[stark jetty]

NASB has a full story mode

[bold brook]

NASB 2

[stuck gale]

For sure, especially when boss characters exist in other games

I miss Oblina

[stark jetty]

The cuts didn't make sense

[stuck gale]

Reptar and Oblina are my NASB 1 mains

[stark jetty]

When assets of them were used in story mode

[tidal solstice]

Exactly--

[bold brook]

oh yeah, many including me though Vlad was going to be a unlocked at beating the campaign as he was on the cover of the game and is the main antagonist of that mode

[stark jetty]

Also we didn't need zuko, iroh, and azula in the same game

Vlad not being playable was dumb

[bold brook]

Ironic we got 3 Fire Nation fighters in NASB 2 with 2 are DLC

[stark jetty]

And yet we couldn't get all turtles

And shredder

[bold brook]

it's that one spongebob meme but April and Lucy are the clown that stays.

I just find it funny when side characters got in and not the main characters

[sour sapphire]

Cutting cat dog was lame

[celest herald]

Damn NASB 2 only has 8 players on steam

[tidal solstice]

Multiversus sweep--

[stark jetty]

Yeah it's dead lol

[sleek coyote]

👀

[tidal solstice]

Frfr ..-

[bold brook]

I would be playing NASB 2 more besides the campaign if it had more players

[tidal solstice]

Rip Bozo-..

[sour sapphire]

If NASB2 was released as the first game it would’ve maybe survived longer. It’s surprising a decent game.

[celest herald]

You could be number 9

[tidal solstice]

And Ill be 10 cause Im a 10-- 💅

[celest herald]

[bold brook]

my biggest fear with the Nick Brawl games is they'll be milked to death like the kart racers as Gamemill is the modern day shovelware company

[sour sapphire]

Yeah pretty much
Even if they make a third game I’m not buying it.

[stuck gale]

I don’t even think Nick Brawl is getting another game

Thaddeus is gone sadly

I could easily see them believing NASB 2 underperformed and just deciding to not greenlight anymore

[bold brook]

bummer they laid off the entire team who made NASB 2.

it's like MVS's situation where devs want to make a good game but the higher ups want money

[stuck gale]

Because NASB 2 almost certainly had a bigger budget than NASB 1

It’s not even close, NASB 1 was actually made with strings and empty macaroni and cheese cans

[stark jetty]

The most backward as thinking ever

Making a better game would make more money lmao

[bold brook]

I think the team also had more strict guidelines for NASB 2 but idk

[sour sapphire]

NASB 2 I think just had the unfortunate effect of losing ppl’s interest and trust.

After the first game

[stuck gale]

NASB 1 is a lot faster gameplay wise

[stark jetty]

NASB 2 lost all of my intrest due to all the character cuts

[stuck gale]

But speed isn’t everything in a fighting game’s gameplay

[bold brook]

NASB 2 did a great job taking most of the critism of the first game and made it more enjoyable than wannabe Melee 2.0

[stuck gale]

You can have a platform fighter as fast as melee, but if the foundation of your gameplay is severely flawed speed isn’t going to make up for it

[stark jetty]

Rivals of aether lol

Well this made more sense before the edits

[stuck gale]

The problem with NASB 1 is that IMO

The “meta” basically devolved into an aireal spam fest

[stark jetty]

Shredder was fun

[bold brook]

Nickelodeon Air Spam Brawl

[sour sapphire]

Cartoon Network Punchtime explosion 2 it’s time 🔥

[stuck gale]

Peaktime Explosion clears Smash Midtimate

[bold brook]

Multiversus is technically the spiritual successor of Punch Time Explosion and LEGO Dimensions with it has some characters in that game appear in MVS

[sour sapphire]

Well Punchtime explosion does have a better story mode of the two

[stuck gale]

Great Value Subspace is better than World of Light I agree

Here’s a funny matchup

[sour sapphire]

Trueee
It still wild that there was no good story mode after brawls peak subspace

[stuck gale]

Uhh

[bold brook]

Cutscenes Leaks

[stuck gale]

Smash Ultimate character vs NASB 1 character

[sour sapphire]

Yeah but that’s every game
But Sakurai is very stubborn about that. Understandable he still makes the games great but it’s like ehhh no one else is that stubborn about that.

[stuck gale]

As in a character following the mechanics and limitations of Smash Ultimate

vs a character following the mechanics and limitations of NASB 1

[bold brook]

what comes to mind is Mario and SpongeBob as they're the general "jack of all trades" of their games

NASB 1 characters are fast...

like REALLY fast where everybody can just carry each other off the stage if they're good enough

[merry nova]

Good lord I just hit level 30 of the bp.

Think I've been definitely hitting my daily quota of mvs lol

[stuck gale]

People complaining about Mario’s up attack juggling

[tidal solstice]

Sakurai is a visionary--..

[stuck gale]

I am pretty sure SpongeBob could do that on steroids

[night perch]

Successor

Success-or

No it's not

This game did not succeed 😭

[stuck gale]

How is one of the last characters in the game (Lola Bunny)?

Is Lola good

[night perch]

She can be but her jab range is so short

[raven crest]

Not what that means

[night perch]

Every attack has to be DIRECTLY next to someone

[night perch]

I'm bullying this game, it's what it means now

[bold brook]

It's why SpongeBob wins due to NASB 1's engine being quite cracked as they make Sonic feel slow in comparison. that's how fast it is

if it's NASB 2's engine then it's more on par

[night perch]

I only liked NASB because of Jenny and ember

[stuck gale]

I am pretty sure even Reptar can basically jet across at least most of the stage in a fraction of a second

[night perch]

He can, it's annoying

[dire barn]

Nasb characters are super overtuned lol

[night perch]

That big ass dinosaur should not be that fast

[stuck gale]

Wait you play NASB too?

[minor lake]

Never forget NASB1 Aang

[stuck gale]

I mean if Reptar were slow he would get slaughtered by everyone

[slim fern]

save multiversus

[bold brook]

I'm not forgetting the NASB games is the only plat fighter I know besides MVS is that heavyweights are actually just as viable

[stuck gale]

Nickelodeon Air Spam Brawl

Stealing @bold brook’s joke

[stuck gale]

Oh yeah remember Sonic

His spin dash, that grants him insane mobility

Aang has that on ultra giga steroids

NASB 1 Aang could just go wherever he wants to

He’s in borderline minecraft creative mode

[bold brook]

I think Aang has more control of his air ball than Sonic's spindash in Brawl 1

[dire barn]

And most of them in nasb2 are still bad compared to the rest of the roster which is crazy plankton tho is crazy good

[stuck gale]

Not to mention how fast the attacks of NASB characters are

Like 1 or 2 frame windup/startup I swear

[obsidian verge]

Garfield

[bold brook]

now imagine a NASB 1 character vs Brawl Meta Knight or Sm4sh Bayo

[stuck gale]

You just press the button and the hitbox is instantly unleashed

[bold brook]

throw in one of the top tiers of beta MVS too because of the speed too

[stuck gale]

Brawl Meta Knight might be too slow for top tier in Melee or NASV 1

But funny scenario for me is

Smash Ultimate vs Peak MultiVersus Iron Giant

[bold brook]

it'll be a similar situation where IG gets combo'ed to death or IG just gets cheese kills

[stuck gale]

Hmm

Who do you think are the strongest characters in MVS history?

Is one of them Banana Guard

[dire barn]

Peak Reptar Nasb2 vs Peak Iron Giant

[bold brook]

I think it's Bugs Bunny as he manages to stay quite decent even though he got lots of nerfs

[dire barn]

Actually, I think Plankton could prob beat IG

He's actually crazy

[minor lake]

Bugs at launch was definitely a menace

[stuck gale]

Wtf

[celest herald]

@mild merlin

[night perch]

How do you teleport as lola

[dire barn]

💀

[stuck gale]

Alr here’s a new idea

MultiVersus vs NASB 1 Sandy

Does anyone stand even remotely of a chance against her

[celest herald]

It didn’t work 😔

[stuck gale]

Someone contact the mods

[merry nova]

get outta here with that

[celest herald]

<@&882349260409032746>

[bold brook]

nuh uh, no way I'm clicking on random links

[celest herald]

Finally got to snitch

[stuck gale]

Get this guy out of here now

[night perch]

Too late

I GOT IT SCREENSHOTTED HAAAAAA

[analog reef]

He got banned lol

[night perch]

He got banished

[bold brook]

that was the most swift ban I've ever seen

[stuck gale]

LESGO

[stuck gale]

Ok now you can answer my question

[merry nova]

To the shadow realm!

[stuck gale]

I tried moving it to dms in case things got crazy here so its fine

So

MultiVersus vs NASB 1 Sandy

Does anyone stand even remotely of a chance against her

[bold brook]

the closest fighter I see is Superman due to his armor or pre-nerf Joker. since you can grab and hold projectiles in NASB 1 and how Sandy moves like a actual Squirrel, it's almost not even close

even beta physics are slower than NASB as dodges have no limit

[stuck gale]

Could Sandy potentially even wreck MVS teams by herself?

In 1v2s

[bold brook]

it's a bit harder for Sandy due to the enemy team can jump her or especially if they have more characters with armor

If Sandy focuses on one character and if they're not working as a team she wins otherwise it's a bit more difficult even with her cracked kit

[stuck gale]

Hmm

Would Sandy easily be top 3 at least in Smash Ultimate?

[severe goblet]

What did he say?

[dire barn]

Maybe, I could see her maybe not being as good as Steve

[bold brook]

if she has NASB physics then she'll be the Brawl Meta Knight of Ultimate, if not but still kept her cracked frame data and specials then she'll be on the top 5

[stuck gale]

Actually screw it you gave me an idea

What would the Sandy vs Steve matchup look like?

[sweet valve]

Yo Tony, how did charging more than Fortnite for worse and smaller skins work out?

[slim fern]

save multiversus

[sweet valve]

Just kidding lol

I know he hasn't been in the server for months

[bold brook]

It's the definition of aggressive vs defensive play. Steve really needs to not engage with Sandy in order for him to set up but in the contrary Snady has to end the match quickly

[sour sapphire]

Was he even here to begin with?

[sweet valve]

Yeah, to pretend like he was listening 💀

[bold brook]

if one of them messes up and it'll end up taking a stock for the cube man or the squirrel

[sour sapphire]

Lmao

[sweet valve]

Also the other day I got muted for trash talking poor little Tony 🥺

I'm sure he's wiping his tears with those nonexistent dollar bills he got off this failure of a game

[stuck gale]

Absolutely, I think the reason this matchup is interesting is

[warm holly]

💀

[stuck gale]

They’re almost exact opposite characters

From a design perspective

[night perch]

And they banned mods didn't they?

[sweet valve]

Also the way he acts like PFG are the first people ever to recieve death threats is so funny

Like bro it's the internet. Someone will send you a death threat because they don't like how you make your grilled cheese

Grow up 💀

[kindred phoenix]

save multiversus

[slim fern]

hell yea

save multi

[warm holly]

Some of yall don't know how to make grilled cheeses tbf

[severe goblet]

What will the point of this server be when Multiversus shuts down? lol

[merry nova]

If I got my life threatened over how to make a grilled cheese I'd assume that person was kidding. Because that is some crazy stuff to get mad about

[bold brook]

makes me wish we got more pure opposite characters in more games since it's a fun concept and ideology

[merry nova]

Nobody should be threatening harm on anyone else, to be clear. It doesn't make it okay just cause it happens over dumb reasons. That is always taking it too far. It's fine to be mad, or disappointed. It's not okay to wish harm on people making a game.

[mental raft]

Nothing

[night perch]

There's no saving this game

[sweet valve]

I guarantee people in game got death threats too, but it doesn't matter to them because it's just the measly players. They pretend to care but don't

Kinda like they always did lol

[night perch]

They made the mistake of talking about the shutdown before the new season

Literally no one outside of people in this server care

[bold brook]

I love the internet wanting you dead from showing your opinion

[slim fern]

you have to belive save multi

[kindred phoenix]

Hope is all you need!!!! #savemulti

[mental raft]

Belive it

[sweet valve]

Oh no, there is a "saving this game", just not with PFG or Tony lol

[severe goblet]

Unless someone else buys it

[slim fern]

save that mf shi

\

[sweet valve]

The future of this game lies with fans and players

[severe goblet]

There is no saving it, it is beyond saving the reputation

[night perch]

Dude the game is still flawed, people are still toxic, fighters road exists

[sweet valve]

People who will actually appreciate the game for what it was, and not treat it like some product

[night perch]

Yea new players, come on down and grind for characters you want to play as

[icy basin]

only to know, achievements in this bomb of game are all bugged?

[bold brook]

it's hard to do so as it has characters owned by WB so unless they're axed and remove all WB related properties then it's hard to get the rights of the game

[night perch]

Might take you all season for 5!

[stuck gale]

Oh yeah also accept my friend request

[sour sapphire]

It’s still wild how this season should’ve just been season 1 of the relaunch.
Or better yet the first shutdown just didn’t need to happen in the first place.

The fact that there’s ppl that still don’t have their beta unlocks is criminal.

[stuck gale]

Reminds me chat, who do you think failed/killed this game?

WB or PFG

[clever stump]

eh the only way this game could even come back is they redo everything from head to toe, offer all characters free, and when adding them actually make them free too and only charge for skins at resonble price and if you want charge per character make Character packs or pre order 4 characters at Resoble prices actually do Balance and testing, make a road map

[kindred phoenix]

Some wise man from a different dimension told me we live in the only dimension multi failed in. We must change and save multiverses.

[slim fern]

save multiversus

[clever stump]

simple all they would need to do but as of now with how wb is been managed and all desiosn made in this game, best to let it die

[bold brook]

There's a small discussion about Tony being a horrible person behind the scenes so I'm on the blame PFG side.

[sweet valve]

Eh, I used to care about my missing beta items but now I take solace knowing that everyone who turned their back on us or didn't believe us is basically having the same happen to them in May. Should have backed your fellow players instead of bootlicking for PFG, at least that's my take

Call it petty, it might be, I don't care tho lol

[clever stump]

I say let some other studio try to pick it up and redo it

[stuck gale]

If it is PFG

What an incredibly ironic name for a game company like this

[slim fern]

save multiversus i say

[stuck gale]

Player First Games

[clever stump]

cause honestly there is a lot of potental in the game, if they can actually fix the issues but eh nothing we can do or say is going to change anyones mind

[stuck gale]

And then they do everything in their power to screw over the player

[slim fern]

you ready

[kindred phoenix]

Tony told me he’d stop buying hookers and blow if we us as a community weren’t so toxic

[severe goblet]

Yes, I got the 100 and 200 spikes one at the same time

[minor lake]

Ok seriously, what is this supposed to accomplish? I'm all for the game being saved but spamming 2 words in a server that WB will likely NEVER see seems pointless

[stuck gale]

Any studio wanting to pick it up would almost certainly have to pay insane amounts to acquire all the licenses for the characters as well

[sour sapphire]

Fair the more I played the relaunch the less I started to care.
They had 4 seasons to fix things which is more than enough time I’d say.

[severe goblet]

And the Matchmaking game (100) 50 games later

[slim fern]

dont worry tony ill pick up the slack

[stuck gale]

I don’t think some other company is gonna swoop in like Superman and save the day

[severe goblet]

Same for the 100 party games

[celest herald]

Community had him spending a lot then

[kindred phoenix]

#gotyoutony

[slim fern]

save multi tony

[sweet valve]

This game's failure is everyone's fault. PFG, WB, Tony, all of them.
PFG and Tony's fault for the game itself, WB's fault for thinking they had a platform fighter Fortnite on their hands, down to skin rarities, Battle Passes, and presale V-Bucks pricing.

It's on all of them

[stuck gale]

The monetization part is almost certainly WB’s failt

[sour sapphire]

Yeah

[kindred phoenix]

@celest herald yeah man:/

[stuck gale]

They clearly wanted to make a big live service game

[clever stump]

beside the community already working on hosting games on parsec so there is that I say if the game dies best thing that could happen cause moders can actually save the game lol

[kindred phoenix]

#SAVETONY

[stuck gale]

WB Games in general pushed live services and they all failed

[slim fern]

bet 100 v bucks save tony

[stuck gale]

Back 4 Blood, Gotham Knights, Suicide Squad and now MultiVersus

All of these live service WB games failed

[sweet valve]

The prices themselves aren't even the bad part either, but all of the monetization put together just makes it apparent that they thought they had the next Fortnite on their hands

[clever stump]

WB games just sucks no one there has experince in game devlopment and managment

[stuck gale]

Anyone remember Back 4 Blood and Gotham Knights? Everyone talks about the latter two but forgot those two

[sweet valve]

Except they forgot Epic actually made a good game first in Fortnite

[analog dock]

all pretty bad games too (exceptfor mvs but the game is not phenomenal)

[sour sapphire]

WB ain’t making a new game for years after all this

[minor lake]

And you better believe WB won't learn their lesson and just keep making them

[slim fern]

multi is better rhan suicode squad

[sour sapphire]

Maybe new Batman Arkhams and that’s it bc that’s worked before

[stuck gale]

100%, the rich snots running the company don’t play any of these games or know games at all

[icy basin]

thanks

[stuck gale]

They just make decisions based on what vaguely seems to make their money number go up

[analog dock]

they just need to use the nemesis system these mfs sitting on unused patents

[sweet valve]

also if everything in the game itself didn't make it clear, WB showed us themselves by pulling their IPs out of Fortnite

[clever stump]

I hate to say but when you look at all those game best one is Multiverses and Back 4 blood now that they have all the up dates and fixes lol

[severe goblet]

Why are you thanking me? lol]

[stuck gale]

The Nemesis System is one of the greatest tragedies in modern gaming history

[sour sapphire]

I was excited at one point for both of those and ended up playing neither

[stuck gale]

Such an excellent mechanic patented and locked away by a company who never uses it again

[clever stump]

not going to like back 4 blood now actually pretty fun lol

[sweet valve]

WB thought Multiversus could carry the weight of the lost revenue from pulling out of Fortnite, they were very, VERY clearly mistaken

And they paid the price, literally

[analog dock]

hopefully they will use it for a batman game or smth

[clever stump]

Hell even MK didn't do well

[bold brook]

Multiversus should've stayed it's own thing and not try to challenge a near impossible to take down juggernaut of a game

[stuck gale]

soft live service Mortal Kombat 1 underperformed and its DLC Khaos Reigns flopped

[sour sapphire]

I’m surprised they pulled out of Fortnite
That was guaranteed money

[stuck gale]

Maybe making a 50 dollar DLC with two hours of cutscene campaign isn’t a good idea WB

[sweet valve]

Honestly if it did succeed too the game would have only gotten worse

[slim fern]

save multiversus

[grave umbra]

Game mechanics shouldn't be patentable

[sweet valve]

Just look at Apex. When they aren't copying what Fortnite does it's straight up gacha mechanics from mobile games

[clever stump]

Moders will save multiverses so don't worry

[stuck gale]

Warner Bros are just one of the most comically incompetent, stupid and evil companies in the entertainment industry.

[analog dock]

why not?

[clever stump]

just like project M

[old imp]

You see about them scrapping the flash game, and wonder woman getting redone again despite it being announced back in 2021

[stuck gale]

This is just another example on their long list of disasters

[clever stump]

only bad part it will only be on pc

[grave umbra]

It discourages competition

[minor lake]

Oh yeah, there was a WW game announced huh...

[stark jetty]

I feel like they should license the ip to Sony

They do great with hero games

[analog dock]

are you against patents in general then?

[stuck gale]

We’re in the state that each major game studio only makes like 1 game every 5 or 10 years

And if that one game fails the entire company dies

[bold brook]

didn't Nintendo did a patent just to sue Palworld?

[stuck gale]

Bring back smaller projects for big studios I beg you

[grave umbra]

No, just game related ones

[stuck gale]

Not everything has to be a giga sized aaa thing

[stark jetty]

Kind of for the concept of balls to capture creatures

[sweet valve]

by the way, Apex Legends recently introduced "Iconic Skins" that tie into collabs, including celebrities like Post Malone.

Like, wow. Wonder where they got that idea lmao. Feels like everyone wants a piece of the Fortnite pie

[clever stump]

I was honestly happy Konmi came back with SH2 and the other stuff they actually be slowlly coming back up

[icy basin]

????? because you answered my question?????

[clever stump]

making that turn around like capcom

[stuck gale]

Even Magic the Gathering is going that direction

[icy basin]

gringo é um bicho burro mesmo slk

[stuck gale]

50 percent of the stuff they are releasing going forward are crossover things

Because they want to be the Cardgame Fortnite

[minor lake]

Now if they can just do something with Castlevania that isn't a show or collab...

[old imp]

At this point yeah, cuz rn WB games is genuinely tweaking in there decisions, the fact the reason they decided to scrap it was cuz of the movie doing bad, like bruh so u completely ignoring the show that had like 9 seasons, and it would've worked too since Sonic literally exists so there's no excuse

[clever stump]

Bro not going to lie the new magic dual deck boosters is pretty awesome

[slim fern]

sAVE MULTI

[bold brook]

Fortnite gave birth the the massive crossover multiverse idea. also Marvel, Disney, and Nintendo

[severe goblet]

Ohh I forgot, my bad lmao

[sweet valve]

Also I can't post a pic of it, but if you want an idea of how """good""" Apex's collabs are, look up the Star Wars Pathfinder skin

[night perch]

Cason point The Nemesis system

1. Procedural Enemy Generation – The system creates named enemies (usually orc captains/warlords in Shadow of Mordor and Shadow of War) with distinct appearances, strengths, weaknesses, and personalities.

2. Memory & Rivalries – Enemies remember past encounters with the player. If they escape or defeat the player, they might taunt them later or become stronger.

3. Hierarchical Promotion – When an enemy kills the player, they may get promoted within their ranks, gaining new skills and status. Similarly, power struggles occur among the enemy faction.

4. Betrayals & Alliances – Players can manipulate the system by brainwashing enemies (in Shadow of War), turning them into allies, or setting up betrayals.

[clever stump]

you mean another beat'em up 3d fighter type?

[sweet valve]

It's literally just Pathfinder but white and with red stripes. Amazing job Respawn

[analog dock]

did you use chatgpt for this? lol

[night perch]

No duh, it summarized it better than I could've quickly

But yea that's patented

[clever stump]

Inno castlevania will always be a side scrolling metroid type game and putting that in a 3d setting is hard most times

[stuck gale]

When will these AAA companies learn that the vast majority of live service games fail

We have a massive track record to prove it and it keeps getting bigger and bigger

[night perch]

PlayStation said "let's make concord instead of The Great Web"

[minor lake]

Ok, hear me out on this. If not a new metroidvania.....Castlevania Warriors.

[stuck gale]

The Great Web was also a live service game

[bold brook]

as long as they find new cash cow genre, they'll never stop

[night perch]

And?

[stuck gale]

But that would have probably been more profitable but

[night perch]

It would've been huge

[sweet valve]

Never, they'll just keep throwing darts at the board until they hit a bullseye and make something like Apex Legends

[night perch]

There's no exclusives on PS5 that are worth it

[stuck gale]

Still probably would have wound up a terrible live service slop game

[analog dock]

the string of failing live service have only been happening "recently", with games being in devlopment for 5 years now I figure they still give it a shot instead of wasting all that work, but the live service hype will die down soon enough im sure

[night perch]

Spiderman 2 just hit PC and if we had a live service spiderman exclusive to PS5, people would've bought ps5

[stuck gale]

Tbf as you just explained they are not happy with an Apex Legends. They want a Fortnite

And they will do anything in their power to make a Fortnite

[bold brook]

I lost interest getting a PS5 years ago when I heard about the Steam Deck

[analog dock]

yes but idc about what an AI has to say lol, i know how the nemesis system works

[minor lake]

Except game of the year ASTRO BOT BABY

[sweet valve]

The main issue with Fortnite wannabes is they want so badly to have the success Fortnite has without being as lenient or kind to players

[stuck gale]

Just like how all the other major cartoon channels on TV want a SpongeBob

[sweet valve]

No live service game out there is going to deliver on the same level as Fortnite, just a plain fact

[stuck gale]

Disney Channel is making Phineas and Ferb their Spongebob

[bold brook]

I thought they had Mickey Mouse?

[clever stump]

... mean like dinisty warriors type game? inno wouldn't mind another Castilvania multiplayer like castlevania harmony of despair

[stuck gale]

Adventure Time, Regular Show and Gumball are all being brought back. They will be Cartoon Network’s SpongeBob alongside Teen Titans Go

[stuck gale]

Mickey Mouse’s actual franchise doesn’t make nearly as much consistent revenue as SpongeBob

[minor lake]

Disney didn't need a Spongebob. They had a bunch of good stuff in the past. Kim Possible, Lilo and Stitch, American Dragon. Now it's just sitcom simulator

[stuck gale]

I mean consider the fact that Epic Games is an entire AAA studio

They aren’t making any other games

Just Fortnite

[sweet valve]

What's PFG doing?

Actually, scratch that, because I'll say it

[stuck gale]

It’s incredibly hard to compete with the massive company who pools all their resources into Fortnite

[sweet valve]

PFG is on their way out

[stuck gale]

They’re getting shut down guaranteed

[analog dock]

PFG is absolutely over, no way they are making games ever again

[stuck gale]

What could they possibly make after this

[bold brook]

only if they put players first...

[stuck gale]

Their PR is in the complete gutter

What company is going to want to work with them

And they don’t make good enough games to make something really popular without an established IP

[sweet valve]

Also this is WB we're talking about, who cancels and shelves things for no reason except a write off sometimes

[ebon plover]

do this

[sweet valve]

PFG is GONE gone

[slim fern]

pfg save muliti

[stuck gale]

The PFG studio is going to be closed

I’d probably bet all my life’s saving on it

[clever stump]

so 50$ lol

[stuck gale]

Again, what the what could they ever possibly make again after this even if WB doesn’t shut them down

They have nothing left, everyone hates them now

Noone would ever buy one of their products again

[analog dock]

if WB actually employs them to make another game they might just be as delusional as the people who think multiversus will continue after this season 😭 🙏

[sweet valve]

I mean, nothing. PFG royally screwed themselves

[sour sapphire]

It’s cool everyone PFG is gonna have a rebrand
Player Last Games 🔥

[sweet valve]

They really only have themselves to blame

[stuck gale]

🔥 We Hate Our Players Games 🔥

[limber onyx]

Nah WB is absolutely also to blame

[sour sapphire]

Epic

[sweet valve]

Maybe if they listened and made the game better people would have actually paid those absurd prices

[stuck gale]

Did PFG really think people would like having to grind the game like it’s a second job so they could get a single character

[slim fern]

i blame wb for the aggressive pricing

[stuck gale]

Did PFG really think it was a good idea to not have all the characters be playable for free

[sweet valve]

They didn't expect people to like it, they expected people to put up with it

[stuck gale]

(Marvel Rivals did that and is incredibly successful)

[sweet valve]

And then Marvel Rivals came along and screwed that lol

[sweet valve]

Look at all of the changes in this game and try to convince me they were trying to make the players happy

[stuck gale]

Turns out, people are way more inclined to buy skins for the characters if they can actually play as them

[sweet valve]

When they ignored us time and time again

[stuck gale]

Wow, what a surprise

[clever stump]

Montization and the grind was what killed the game and unless you dropped your 100 and grinded beta you didn't get to enjoy any season and that what happen

they for got the Free players

[sweet valve]

They forgot that for a free to play game to succeed, it actually has to be free, and actually has to be playable

[night perch]

Eh that's fine I guess

[sweet valve]

Which are like. The most important things

[night perch]

But it's not going to want to make me BUY A ps5

[sweet valve]

Multiversus was never free to play, simply free to try

[olive crow]

I dont think the pricing was the issue, i think people would grind if it was for the right characters. The potential roster they could have had vs who they actually picked was WHACK

[sour sapphire]

Fun in my video game? Nuh uh

[night perch]

Characters they liked

[sweet valve]

Also true

[night perch]

Who likes agent smith, who actually likes Arya, who gave a damn about Beetlejuice

[sweet valve]

People dump on the idea of Walter White in the game but hey

[stuck gale]

It doesn’t matter who they put into the game if they locked characters behind massive grinds, meaning the people who come in interested in playing as their favorite character that recently got added immediately leave

[sweet valve]

If it was Walter and not Nubia maybe this game would be in a more... alive spot

Just sayin

[stuck gale]

It’s really easy to scare new players away with absurd grinds

[finite dock]

can we genuinely get more combo routes for arya this is horrible

[sour sapphire]

The grind felt like a part time job it killed it for me.
The grind didn’t feel nearly that bad in the beta

[sweet valve]

Tony shouldn't have dangled that carrot above us like that, teasing actual wanted characters and then releasing... Nubia. Like I'm still wondering what they thought they were cooking

[olive crow]

i totally get your point. Im just saying, if the grind is mandatory, would you rather grind for Lebron James or Courage the cowardly dog. Id probly just quit the game and wait for the next update before grinding for some lackluster character

[sweet valve]

Oh yeah, also reminder

The main villain of this game never actually made it into the game itself

[olive crow]

i know you guys saw the 'leaked' roster. They had all those choices and somehow lebron james got bumped to the top lel

[sweet valve]

Barely anyone knows wtf DeVoid is

[night perch]

You had 4 seasons to be good, switch

[analog dock]

theyre not gonna be updating this game anymore bro 😂

[olive crow]

lol true

[analog dock]

that being?

[night perch]

And fighters road made this worse

[sweet valve]

like imagine if Fortnite did all their story teasing just to end before we even see the Imagined Order

[sour sapphire]

Never heard of that 💀

[sweet valve]

That would have been so damn pathetic

[stuck gale]

Agent Smith wasn’t cool enough to be worth the grind either if you ask me

[night perch]

Who???

[stuck gale]

The general public agrees too

[sweet valve]

or The Last Reality

[stuck gale]

The newest Matrix film bombed at the box office

[analog dock]

who was supposed to be the mvs villian

[sweet valve]

also, DeVoid is the main villain of Multiversus, introduced in the comics that like 10 people read

[stuck gale]

No one cares about the Matrix or Gremlins anymore

[analog dock]

never heard of him

[sweet valve]

Actually Agent Smith was honestly one of my favorite picks for this game but movie wise, thsy should have ended it when it was intended to end

[sour sapphire]

I would like a multiverses animated series but hey that would get canceled too probably

[sweet valve]

If anything I wish they doubled down and added Neo

Imagine Neo instead of Nubia

[stuck gale]

I will be happy to have MultiVersus as a dead multiplayer game I can continue to play through offline bot matches

[night perch]

When was this a thing?

[night perch]

Dude that thing was $30

[stuck gale]

My most prized possession in my Steam Library in that department is Evolve (2015 game)

[sweet valve]

That's crazy 💀

[night perch]

When the comic first came out it was 30 bucks

[analog dock]

its almost like banking on nostalgia forever doesnt work 🙃

[stuck gale]

Yes I am old enough to remember Evolve chat

[sour sapphire]

No way thought it would’ve been like 10 bucks

[night perch]

For contacts I could get the dark Knight returns comic line for 25

[severe goblet]

My most priced possesions on Steam are my achievements

[sterile osprey]

YES!!

[sweet valve]

also the whole comic tie in convinces me even more that they really thought this was the next Fortnite

[analog dock]

the comic sounds like a waste of money

[sour sapphire]

I remember it too just didn’t play it much

[sweet valve]

Like you can tell they wanted to do what Fortnite was doing and set up this overarching story with multiple mediums

across multiple years

[sour sapphire]

It was free with gold one time on Xbox

[placid eagle]

BANGER

[stuck gale]

MultiVersus also doesn’t have nearly as big a budget as Fortnite

[stuck gale]

EVOLVE IS NO JOKE

THIS IS A GAMER’S GAME

[night perch]

And they charged 30 dollars for it

You know what made people want to buy the Fortnite comics? Because they had characters we actually wanted to see with good art and storylines

And the comics had codes which gave you cosmetics

[sweet valve]

It could have, and could have paid off

[finite dock]

switch is crazy ur def a high tier hopper

[sweet valve]

Hell even non Fortnite fans like the comics

[limber onyx]

Comic tie in was actually decent weirdly

[sweet valve]

I've seen Batman fans say the comic is one of the best Batman comics in years

And honestly I agree, it's a great standalone Batman story even if you don't care ab Fortnite

[finite dock]

i’m so sad man

[night perch]

And you also get to see Fortnite characters get absolutely obliterated

[sweet valve]

If you like Batman's whole prep time thing, this comic is like that on crack

[slim fern]

does fort batman use guns

[sweet valve]

He has to survive a 22 minute time loop on an island he's never seen before, being hunted by 99 other people, all while being unable to speak and having his memory wiped everytime time loops

[stuck gale]

Prep Time Batman usually means plot armor Batman but I prefer when his tech is used super creatively

[sweet valve]

In the comic, no, he avoids it, in game absolutely

[sweet valve]

This is more like the latter

[stuck gale]

Awesome

[slim fern]

damn imagine him only using pick axe and boogie bombs

[sweet valve]

It's not him pulling out BS that magically works because "oh he had prep time"

[stuck gale]

A meme rule I came up with is that Batman gets a massive powerup whenever he’s in a crossover story, and is much weaker in his regular stories

[sweet valve]

Also spoilers: He fights Snake Eyes from GI Joe

[slim fern]

batman needs a buff

[sweet valve]

It's sick

Everyone in the time loop even stops to watch it because they're so amazed by the fight

[stuck gale]

Chat,

Do you think Tony Todd is getting an industry blacklist?

[limber onyx]

Who

[severe goblet]

Who

[stuck gale]

Oh

Wrong last name

[ripe solar]

Batman is fine. He one of the best neutral games, speed, combos that are consistent and one of the best vertical edge guards.

[stuck gale]

Tony Huynh

There we go, do you think he’s getting an industry blacklist if the rumors of him tanking MVS are true

[limber onyx]

No

Nothing suggests any of the rumors about him are true

Also, he’s got pretty successful games he’s worked on too

[slim fern]

imagine robin with a sig to make him red hood red robin or damian

[limber onyx]

Legendary Alts

[plucky goblet]

Or nightwing

[ripe solar]

Arya needs a massive buff they broke both her ankles

[plucky goblet]

Do you guys think the next Smash bros game will have variant costumes like Multiversus?

[quartz niche]

Quick question, does anyone have a list of what the daily missions loot box can drop? I've heard it can drop crazy things like character unlocks, skins, and gleamium, but I've never seen it.

[torpid hare]

What u mean the next one?

[plucky goblet]

If there is a next one

[limber onyx]

They had alph so maybe

[slim fern]

do we think multi re launches if it closes down?

[ripe solar]

Smash ultimate was suppose to be the last one. But there are leaks of the next game. So good chance there is another smash for switch 2

[finite pebble]

That's not why it bombed. The filmmaker deliberately wrote a bad movie cause they didn't want to do it in the first place. Same thing that happened with Joker 2.

[torpid hare]

I thought super smash had skins 👀

[plucky goblet]

It’s mostly recolors as far as I know

[torpid hare]

I might be tripping lol

[deep crescent]

Is it just me or is Lola a bit busted

[torpid hare]

That was an advantage for Multiversus then

[analog dock]

sounds like a great act of resistance if thats the case!

[night perch]

The thing is is that if there's a new one they're going to have to bring their A-Game

They NEED to have Geno