general

[sleek coyote]

Harley harley harley

[austere tree]

I’m not sure the Devs actually test out the game in a true combat setting. Just play around in training area and approve it cause it looks like things work ok

[hollow cradle]

Jason

[solar field]

Also I feel like some can dodge cancel out of anything like superman can do that sh*t while others can't and some characters are armored up too much

[austere tree]

Yes to many of them actually

[tranquil gale]

could be

[tranquil gale]

meh, he is fine

[sleek coyote]

if harley gets a buff then ppl wont have to worry about sair loop 🙂‍↕️

[frail venture]

That's also possible. They have proven to not care since day 1

[hollow cradle]

Nah he’s too big and slow. Make him smaller and faster like Superman

[solar field]

That loop is infuriating if you're an ig or jason lol

[tranquil gale]

that is the point of being a tank

[sleek coyote]

imagine getting looped by an ig 💀

[tranquil gale]

i mean, he have armor on some attacks, a strong grab and a teleport

[hollow cradle]

No tanks just supposed to absorb more damage

[tranquil gale]

besides a really good damage in his attacks

[spare lantern]

nah, Jason have a lot of damage power hes fine, he is a tank they slow but strong

[solar field]

Iron giants are fun to play against if I'm using shaggy or jason

[hollow cradle]

Well I’m not really complaining but he does have a lot of bad match ups imo especially against small/fast characters

[tranquil gale]

yea

[solar field]

Yeah I don't think jason needs buffs or nerfs

[spare lantern]

you need to adapt dude

[tranquil gale]

like almost every character, except ppg, marceline or shaggy

they literallly can play against every character and win easily

[hollow cradle]

For sure, I’m just ass 💀

[tranquil gale]

it is difficult to play jason

i respect a jason main

[coral quarry]

I would like it if they fixed the "everyone runs off after the match" thing. I know it doesn't matter, but I don't like it.

[thorny vale]

Makes buying taunts and stuff useless

[coral quarry]

Totally does.

[thorny vale]

It's only hurting them alot of people aren't buying emotes

And they made the stripe emote free so I'm happy

[torpid barn]

I love how that glitch/problem just started happening a few weeks after I dropped like 800 gleamium on an emote

Scammer first games

[thorny vale]

And it's been a glitch sense season 2

[thorny vale]

Just wait till Jason's skin rift comes out

[torpid barn]

Only the sitcker type emotes are worth buying now

Since you can get them out right after final ringout

[coral quarry]

And I really don't care for those.

[torpid barn]

They're low effort slop compared to real emotes

[brazen verge]

I was able to get all the rewards. Thanks again!! @coral quarry

[coral quarry]

You're welcome. Always up for some Rifts with people when they want.

[spare lantern]

bro in march im gonna emigrate to super smash bros ultimate, being honest this game is unbalanced as hell

[coral quarry]

Good playin' together.

[spare lantern]

in march is my birthday and im getting a nintendo switch i cant wait dude

[coral quarry]

This game does have some good voice lines. Even when he's beating me up, I still chuckle at Morty's, "Is this wave-dashing? A-are we wave dashing right now?"

[spare lantern]

bro im fighting with a dam samurai jack and hes range is unreal dude, im in the other side of the map and he can hit me

[coral quarry]

Yeah, Samurai Jack's sword is wildly long and he's quick on the draw in a lot of attacks. Best advice I have is to bait him into thinking he can do that side-attack against you, then shield and counter-attack.

[hollow cradle]

Thanks man, I’m almost in gold in 1’s so this means a lot

[coral quarry]

Nice work

[tranquil gale]

Try playing more with the grab attack, i personally hate it, so i guess it is a good signal lmao

[hollow cradle]

I actually use his grab a lot. It’s the other moves like up special or aerial down special I need to incorporate into my gameplay more lol

[spare lantern]

yes i try but that dude was good dodging my attacks, and in another match i played against that girl with a lance and is impossible to attack because shes neutral and special attacks have a loot of range, this game is never going to be excellent with those unbalance problems

[tranquil gale]

Good luck man, its hard not impossible

[coral quarry]

Nubia is very difficult. Her spear is crazy long and she ladders off the top so easily.

[hollow cradle]

Thanks & likewise 🙏🏼

[spare lantern]

good job warner bros

multiversus is fine but is never going to be ssbu level

im going to still play it until i get my nintendo switch in march

the only character i play Is Tom and jerry, and sometimes Jake or marvin, i think those 3 characters are balanced compared to Nubia, Samurai Jack, Shaggy etc

[coral quarry]

Shaggy just constantly infuriates me.

[spare lantern]

he is very broken dude

[raven goblet]

I unapologetically spam him and make them angry it makes them easier to kill

[coral quarry]

My problem is I get caught up in THEIR spamming too easily.

[raven goblet]

Expect it predict it then counter it

[coral quarry]

With Shaggys, it usually happens as: Expect it, predict it...get hit by it anyway.

But I'm working on it.

I'm too predictable is my bigger problem.

...well, sorry to my partner in this match. The game glitched and I'm stuck in a falling animation, unable to move.

[hybrid frost]

:3

[deep crescent]

I love fighting grandmasters, it shows that they really only ever get there by cheesing

[raven goblet]

You will get there don’t have too high of a standard

[raven goblet]

Every time….

[coral quarry]

ugh, I guess I'm not ending on a win tonight. Gold V remains my peak.

[raven goblet]

Who are you playing with

[violet terrace]

How the hell do I get past gold two mvps

[quiet lintel]

beat go hard with the bang, I just make my way to the bank 🔥 👄 🔥

[raven goblet]

Platinum?

[coral quarry]

Arya

[violet terrace]

Nah I'm just trying to get out of gold two what should I work on?

[deep crescent]

Like good job you just cheesed out on a diamond lol

[raven goblet]

Well unfortunately you have like 3 options for kills so you have to rely on your partner

All the Diamond and master Aryas stay close to their partners and hit and run

[raven goblet]

Who are you using

[violet terrace]

Raven she's my queen

[coral quarry]

Interesting. I guess I'll take that into consideration.

Heading out, but good talk/playin' tonight.

[raven goblet]

Literally just spam she’s still busted and that’s all the other ravens do
Same 3 moves: Side air Neutral Air Up Air— they even connect to each other

0 skill in the character

[raven goblet]

Good night

[violet terrace]

Up airs hit box I so accurate that move ain't that good but it kills pretty well

[spare lantern]

ur not a human

[raven goblet]

They do nair to uair or ground down attack into uair

Side air kills more anyway so…

[violet terrace]

I usually do Nair to neutral special air to kill off top maybe that's what I'm doing wrong

Overall I believe raven is one of the more balanced characters of this game

[raven goblet]

Probably ….because I just used her in rifts neutral special is trash

Maybe a good mixup to get people off you definitely not for kills or comboing

[violet terrace]

It can kill at 80 sometimes

[raven goblet]

She’s just busted I wouldn’t rely on it for kills since it’s not consistent

Side special is more reliable if you use it to take up the screen and make it hard to dodge

Up special also works well for edge guarding

[violet terrace]

Bro sometimes I can hit like 5 side airs in a row and I'm like how are these guys not dodging or fast falling its really funny

[raven goblet]

She’s busted

That move specifically will be nerfed because of how much people complain about it

And it’s warranted

[violet terrace]

When this game drops third party characters they should make 5 diffrent characters could you imagine if Disney's stitch or dreamworks hiccup from httyd came to this game

Season 5 needs something big if I'm being honest

[raven goblet]

I don’t really care for more kid cartoons

[violet terrace]

I can agree there

[raven goblet]

Live action or just movie characters in general would be great

And more villains

[violet terrace]

I question how Arya is still the only character from GOT

[raven goblet]

SAME

[violet terrace]

Also Southpark characters would be a great addision

[raven goblet]

And funny enough she isn’t even one of the big characters from GOT not like her brother

[raven goblet]

We need more cursing

[violet terrace]

Bro fr John snow or dangerius

[delicate kelp]

I thought there would be GOT skins in the winter

[violet terrace]

We need the Bastard of th north

[raven goblet]

They’ve missed a perfect chance

White Walkers

Our beloved cherished and mighty King Geoffrey

[violet terrace]

If they add him his entire move set would be running away😂

[raven goblet]

He’s already perfect lol

His moves can be forcing people to be his partner

And he can steal points

[delicate kelp]

They also missed the chance in the current event.🫠

[violet terrace]

I'm curious about any video game characters they might add Is there any of that representation itg?

[raven goblet]

Yea…. But they can bring it back later

[raven goblet]

Any video game characters would just be movie and show characters

Scribblenauts is probably the only thing

[violet terrace]

It be cool

He'd play like Steve in smash

[raven goblet]

You like busted people lol

There must be balance

[night perch]

Disney would never

They tried to buy Sega not too long ago

[raven goblet]

Dumb

They want sonic

Nintendo must hold the line

Defend the land of the rising sun from the demon voracious mouse

[solar field]

Getting a gold 5 partner while I'm diamond 3 and fighting diamond, master, and gm rank is such a scummy a$$ move with this mmr

[raven goblet]

Do your best…

[solar field]

I tried but my partner was a brain dead moron nubia gold 5 literally just getting annihilated by a diamond nubia and bat

[raven goblet]

You did all you could
You don’t have enough brain cells for 2 people so you did enough

[solar field]

Batman can dodge forever and nubia don't get me started on her

[solar field]

Thanks bro and yes I tried

[hybrid frost]

Quantum and @night perch my heroes

I Main quantum tho :3

[solar field]

You main me lmao

[sharp moon]

Imagine being in gold

[spice horizon]

Ye, bronze is where it's at

[solar field]

Bit*h you already don't know how to act lmao

[night perch]

Imagine playing ranked at ALL

[spice horizon]

Imagine playing mvs

[lone trench]

Bros plat 💀

[light badge]

what are we talking about today in the official multiversus discord server?

[sharp moon]

Me

[light badge]

nerf velma and buff marceline, completely agree

we should also deffo buff gizmo

[silk creek]

I don't like Beetlejuice's Shield attack

I don't wanna know why

[warm holly]

N

[solar field]

Do something about those bi**hes ppg just can trap you forever in combos

[rain tapir]

[light badge]

[night perch]

I'm hard stuck gold

How did this booty teammates even get in gold

Meanwhile I gotta deal with people who cheese the whole game

[night perch]

They really can't anymore

[solar field]

They so could as I've been witnessing in ranked

[safe crystal]

morty

[wintry shuttle]

Just about when I was about to win a online match, the game froze!!

[kind jolt]

A lot of people freeze under pressure but you just gotta understand its just a game and win or lose you'll be okay

[sharp moon]

They can?? Wtf are you talking about

[sharp moon]

There is no beating a PPG thats masters

[warm holly]

Saitama from One Punch Man

[analog current]

ppg is broken asf

[spice horizon]

the entire game is broken

[solar field]

There is and I have before but still they can trap you in that 0tod so easily it's cancer to play them sometimes most times and their lag is horrible alot of times making the match glitchy

[solar field]

When you play competetively it is infuriating accepting a loss especially when you put in so much work and your teammate is just running away the entire match

Unranked is another story

[kind jolt]

Am I the only one playing competitive casual?

[worn ferry]

It's the best one in the game! I've pissed so many ppl off by spamming it. Funny af pelvic thrust taunt. 😂

[kind jolt]

What is this games Battlefield

[worn ferry]

The wonder woman stage

[kind jolt]

is that one in the comp pool

[indigo nebula]

Yes, I'm on it rn

Sky arena platforms

[quiet lintel]

bye

[light badge]

what

[quiet lintel]

bye

[light badge]

bye

[quiet lintel]

[unreal tulip]

[next field]

I renember this game

[sleek coyote]

😳

[spark edge]

looking for team up for ranked 2v2. australian region.

[sleek coyote]

astro bot would be broken for no reason

true and its so odd that they do that

[rain tapir]

omg its my favorite velma player

[quiet lintel]

Hi I need to sleep

[rain tapir]

then go to sleep

[quiet lintel]

I cant rn :((

[rain tapir]

how come

[unreal tulip]

Must have fallen asleep

[rain tapir]

[stark jetty]

I would like to sleep, for around 12-16 hours

[limber onyx]

Well, go ahead

[high parcel]

Are you y'all ready for Season 5 (it will be the last season)

[little carbon]

Im ready for disapointement for sure XD

[unreal tulip]

"Are you y'all" is pretty redundant

[real rampart]

maybe he has a stutter. Be nice 😁

[unreal tulip]

T-t-t-that's all folks

[real rampart]

🤣

[high parcel]

You y'all all

[unreal tulip]

I'm not y'alling all

[limber onyx]

All of those y’alls

[bright phoenix]

Hi, I need the help of one person to get my final trophy ( 100 double ringouts ) it won't take more than 15-20 min

[spice horizon]

It is but 99% of the population doesn't care about being redundant

Sadly
Makes my skill of noticing it feel worthless
Which is depressing

[quiet lintel]

I´m not sleeping

[quiet lintel]

I´m busy rn, but tired, and my eyes burns

burning itching burning itching

itching n burning itching n burning

stinky fishy stinky fishy

[buoyant monolith]

Clean your eyes and go to the doctor or buy medicine

If you're tired sleep man

[azure valley]

I think you're infected

Time to come out of the closet 🙏

[quiet lintel]

I have eyes medicine but it makes my eyes to burn like hell

[quiet lintel]

HEEEEELP HAVENT YOU READED MY DC DESCRIPTION OR WHAT

[rain tapir]

[azure valley]

https://youtu.be/8_BuiCuyi_w?t=83
Wasn't it a reference to this? 🤔

[quiet lintel]

HELP? no- I was making a reference of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SJ186Es_xw

[quiet lintel]

😭😭 I´m rolling

[azure valley]

Alright, thought it was one for Resident Evil. 💀
Zombie comes out of the closet after reading the diary.

[quiet lintel]

I CAAAAAN´T LMAO, idk anything about RE but that sounds scary af

[azure valley]

It was in 1996 👴

[quiet lintel]

Yes

[potent stone]

Damn

[quiet lintel]

🔥 👀 💔

[buoyant monolith]

Hopefully you recover man soon

It sounds painful

[quiet lintel]

thank youuuuuuuuuu dont worry about me

[dawn sandal]

Why do people taunt when they’re losing

[fluid chasm]

Idk

[mental raft]

It’s funny

[potent stone]

I do it for the dialogues between the characters honestly

[dawn sandal]

That’s fair taunt dialogue is pretty funny

[unreal tulip]

Maybe they remember they had a taunt quest

I always forget that one XD

[clever stump]

It kinda also tilts people cause they tend to get to over confident it can be a tac in some cases

I've taunted to get someone to focus me while myu team mate surpises them

it a risky move but kand be useful in clutch and very picky moments

[potent stone]

oh right that quest, I remember I did it and then the guy sent me a message saying "do you think it's funny doing taunts all the time?" Then I had to explain to him that I was just doing the mission, but he didn't believe me, I had to send him a photo so he could understand 😅

[bold brook]

Troll Tactics is a meme perk meant for people who like to taunt

[worn ferry]

https://youtu.be/SzeauDppKSA?si=IrgIJYBW4V0LyVgM

Garnet hates Taz so much lmao

[scarlet crater]

Dead game

Game could have been amazing but they messed it up

WB lost 100 Million dollars

[clever stump]

yeah but that wasn't just multiversus my guy lol like I'm sure not even a fraction of that is even related to multiversus

at most it costed them a few milll that just WB in general

[scarlet crater]

It was also suicide kill the justice league

And mk1 (they shouldnt have rushed the game and made khaos reigns cheaper)

[sleek coyote]

where’d you read about this?

[scarlet crater]

Many articles have reported it

[clever stump]

but meh... wb makes a killing on renting their movies so they honestly aren't to bad off

[sleek coyote]

mmm

[clever stump]

I doubt it that much hoenstly 100 mill loss for a billion dollar francise isn't as bad as it seems

but meh... WB does need to stop doing dumb montisation in games and just start taking pages from other games with good systems and build off that.

Why Marval Rivals is doing so well they took ideas from other F2P and games

[fluid chasm]

Better battle pass all characters are free

[worn ferry]

MV underperformed because WB doesn't back it w enough money

[open girder]

true

[fluid chasm]

Season 5 about to be the final straw for sure

[worn ferry]

Of course the game isn't gonna do super well if it's company is only giving trial base cash

[fluid chasm]

Wb went back to Fortnite

[scarlet crater]

Wb is slowly becoming worse than disney

[fluid chasm]

Nah Disney will still take the cake

[limber onyx]

They didn’t

[fluid chasm]

They literally did

Almost every DC skin came back and we got new Harley and Batman skins

[limber onyx]

It wasn’t even a loss, it was a “write down” which is corporation speak for they didn’t make as much as they expected

[worn ferry]

Fortnite's main problem is that it caters too hard to kids w poor motor skills. I mean I get it's a kid shooter mostly but still. Completely removing snipers is ridiculous

[limber onyx]

Ah word, I didn’t realize

[fluid chasm]

Yeah the only reason DC skins haven't came back in a long time because of wb

[limber onyx]

I blame suicide squad for that one

[fluid chasm]

I blame MvS and suicide squad

[limber onyx]

They didn’t want DC characters in another shooter

[fluid chasm]

Fair enough

[worn ferry]

Like wtf am I supposed to do with all these sniper skills I learned now??? Thx fartnite

[limber onyx]

Join the military

[worn ferry]

I'm pro anarchy so huge pass. I wanna destroy the police

[limber onyx]

Well you can also play other shooters

[sick ocean]

[solar field]

Nah I don't think so it's growing and I feel like s5 and s6 are gonna take us by surprise and gonna be the most epic seasons

[limber onyx]

Probably not, some pretty heavy hitters in this season didn’t change too much

But as long as they think this is a sustainable level then it will probably last

Just depends on WB I’d I think

[solar field]

Yeah I just like mvs so much more than other platform fighters

It's fun

Infuriating and annoying in competitive ranked but fun

[sick ocean]

nah, i believe in the gameplay changes

[clever whale]

MVS is a good game that just feels bogged down by monetization choices that takeaway from the player experience

[solar field]

Same my friend

[limber onyx]

I don’t think it will be anything that really helps in terms of player count, but I think they’ll probably be good

[sick ocean]

ppl just hv to start making videos with a pog in the thumbnail with the title "MULTIVERSUS IS FUN AGAIN?!?!?!??"

[limber onyx]

True

All about the stupid face thumbnails

[clever whale]

trading away gold for perk points instead of something like gleamium or fighter currency, removing characters from being in unlocked with seasonal currency, removing the characters from the season pass, removing giving out fighter currency, not letting people choose which Character they want to unlock on fighter road

it's this wonderful roster of characters but the experience of unlocking characters you want to play is so bad now

[solar field]

We're inching closer to season 5 they should give us little teasers here and there dang it

[limber onyx]

It’s still like 3 weeks so probably not yet

[solar field]

I personally like fighter road it's so much faster to unlock characters than fighter currency

Fc took ages

[limber onyx]

It is faster, you just don’t get to choose which is a big one step forward two steps back thing

[fluid chasm]

6 hours for 1 character is dumb

[solar field]

@clever whale at the start of the season I only had like 7 unlocked but I unlocked the rest with fighter road pretty fast

[clever whale]

that is interesting because I had the opposite experience, with the amount of events that gave out currency, and also the option to choose which character to unlock made it so that I could unlock most of the roster before the raven season

[sick ocean]

tbf, that time frame is incredibly similar to brawlhalla, only difference is odler chars r generally cheaper

[clever whale]

and the option of getting the newer characters is a big appeal too

[solar field]

It's not 6hours lmao you play like 10 ranked best of 3s and you unlock a fighter or less than that It's fast

[fluid chasm]

15000 xp for a new character

[solar field]

You get it fast but if you only play 30 min to an hour a day then I can see why

[fluid chasm]

I played 6 hours straight just for Marceline

I even had xp boost with the pajamas skins

[solar field]

Well I don't really play rifts I mostly play ranked back to back matches

[solar field]

You must've taken hella breaks in between

[fluid chasm]

Nah I haven't

[brave pollen]

I don’t play ranked, so it takes me longer to unlock characters. At least I only have one to unlock

[maiden locust]

I unlocked everyone in beta with gold so i’ve always had every character. Still find the game a bit stale since after ppg

[solar field]

Marceline? The down special queen?

[solar field]

Hate ppg

[brave pollen]

Have there been any rumors for next season? Haven’t kept up

[solar field]

Dm me

[maiden locust]

I had some fun playing as them. I feel like rank kinda killed the game. Also, they never did a great job on the rifts.

[solar field]

Nah them ho3s can trap you forever in combos 0td I hate them

[maiden locust]

They shouldn’t depend on discord for players to communicate. Can’t message friends in game or anything. When compared to marvel rivals… wb does seem kinda lazy

[solar field]

I agree

[fluid chasm]

Ppg is a bad design character I even main them

[solar field]

And it's censored af on this server I'm part of another mvs server where I'm a mod and you can say whatever on there and send memes no limit @maiden locust

[maiden locust]

I feel like jack was the worst

[fluid chasm]

Jacks moveset was rushed

It was so obvious

[small nymph]

I made the mistake of playing ranked again and was unpleasantly greeted with the PPG zero to death

[fluid chasm]

You're welcome

[small nymph]

I don't understand how these characters aren't playtested

[solar field]

Those bit*hes are cancer

[fluid chasm]

I nair chain you off stage

By the way ppg can cancel their frames

[sick ocean]

i'd blame ranked players more than ranked

[fluid chasm]

So have more bs with that

[small nymph]

God forbid you try to edgeguard because the reversal up special can outright kill you on some stages

[limber onyx]

Down special Queen carrying me to Diamond

[solar field]

And the lag is part of their moveset

[fluid chasm]

You right

[solar field]

Checks out

[fluid chasm]

You can cancel their command grab by the way

[small nymph]

ngl I haven't really had too mant server issues recently. Just longer queue times

[limber onyx]

My two season plat 2 peak streak broken

Thanks elbow drop

[solar field]

I be fuc*in ppg up with Jason but when I use harley or taz or shaggy it's harder

[sick ocean]

on hit yeah

[small nymph]

That's because Shaggy has been nerfed to the point where he's so linear that every Shaggy plays the same because they're forced to and everyone knows the matchup

[maiden locust]

Netease delivers a 98% perfect server for me. Multiversus has much better servers than ssbu, but still miss the mark

[fluid chasm]

I always get dumb mix ups with it killing at 80

[small nymph]

Nintendo anything servers are like 15 years behind minimum

[sick ocean]

i will mash 🙏
but since u know the ppg 0td, wanna 1v1? hvent rlly had a proper fight vs it

[fluid chasm]

I'm on the way to the hospital checking on my cousin to make sure he's free to go

[small nymph]

I mean the original version of the switch had the same processors found in a 2010 blackberry phone lmao

[solar field]

Yeah I mained him the last two seasons this season he feels shi++y

[lone trench]

The only difference is that you can farm gold in custom. (Letting you get gold afk too)

And you can choose ur characters.

[small nymph]

Oh I agree. I have way more fun with Jason

[solar field]

His nerfs are crazy

[sick ocean]

oh, hope they're doing alright

[small nymph]

The issue with Shaggy that made him too strong before was that his kill power was too absurd

[sick ocean]

yeah, i was talking abt the timeframe, but didnt know abt the custom thing

[fluid chasm]

I hope so as well

[kind jolt]

bruh 💀

[small nymph]

but to "fix" him, they instead removed all his combos and added a pathetically short timer to rage

[small nymph]

This move kills way too unreasonably early btw

Like earlier than Shaggy with rage

[kind jolt]

It was the ability to combo so easily with moves that have tremendous damage and kill power

[limber onyx]

Nah, shaggy rage kick still stronger

[kind jolt]

Now he still has tremendous damage and kill power it's just not so easy

[small nymph]

Yes and I'm saying don't nerf his combos. Instead nerf his kill power

[limber onyx]

But elbow drop worse to deal with since it’s whenever you want

[solar field]

Bro got recovering from that 0td he got from ppg 😂

[small nymph]

Actually, I think kill power across the board should be nerfed

[potent stone]

just two more days

[kind jolt]

I would tend to agree but Im not really a fan of too many true combos in a plat fighter

[fluid chasm]

I actually laughed at that

[small nymph]

why are we dying at like 70

[lone trench]

Yea with the custom afk method you can get 250-300 gold every 25m if you pick a good legend ig.

Would take around 8 hours to get a legend tho but that’s if you are doing it afk

[solar field]

I got pretty good at shaggy's combos but now he's so sluggish so I just don't really play bro still like shaggy though

[limber onyx]

I get earlier kills with charged down smash 2 than elbow drop

[small nymph]

I'm definitely not for loops or anything. But like let me get like 40-50 damage from an optimized combo and just make it so I can't kill until like 130

[fluid chasm]

Same

[sick ocean]

i said this day 1, literally

[potent stone]

I have all the legends in Brawlhalla, I have all the characters in Multiversus, my life no longer makes sense 🥲

[solar field]

Also I was pretty freaking good at shaggy's Nair loop

[limber onyx]

Got a poor Arya player at like 35% with a fully charged down smash 2, instant ko

[solar field]

Just running on them mfs lol

[kind jolt]

40-50 in a single combo shouldn't be the norm, Ig if shaggy were to just be a consistent top tier but guarantee lighter characters would just die in 1 or 2 interactions which is pretty bad

[lone trench]

I have all except from like 4 of the new releases but I have like 60k gold so I can get them any time

[small nymph]

I never used it because I knew it would get removed. Didn't think the original fix was to make nair unsafe on hit lmao. But nowadays, everyone knows to DI up and Shaggy gets no followups

[fluid chasm]

Arya's deserve to die

[rain tapir]

[fluid chasm]

I know I main ppg but I even hate other top tiers

Especially Rick

[solar field]

That sh*t gonna be nerfed next season so have all the fun now @limber onyx

[sick ocean]

just max it varied, more combos less kill power/potential, letting arya get 0-50 doesnt matter when the combos lose dmg overtime and she struggles to kill

[fluid chasm]

If they don't touch Rick next season I'm picking him up

[small nymph]

40-50 is an optimized combo that most people wouldn't be able to perform

[sick ocean]

attack the characters not the players

[solar field]

Nah you can still Nair loop especially now that they have fast fall

[fluid chasm]

They still ops

[small nymph]

but like Shaggy at least doesn't even have the potential to even deal that much damage

[lone trench]

Which character can kill at 70%

[potent stone]

my mains are 3 tanks in this game but honestly I like to use all the characters 👍

[sick ocean]

but its a video game

[fluid chasm]

Ops are still ops

[sick ocean]

arya

[small nymph]

1/3 of the cast

[kind jolt]

No true combos should do 50 damage imo

[solar field]

I was pretty much the only one Nair looping in ranked out of all the shaggys I saw last season

[fluid chasm]

Or get you to 100 by a loop

[lone trench]

I agree

[sick ocean]

u might not like combo based chars but others do, not every1 likes brawl gameplay

[lone trench]

Not even 40% imo unless it’s a hard setup combo

[sick ocean]

i mean why not? especially if its on smth like bad di?

[solar field]

You're saying that as if ppg ain't broken af

[fluid chasm]

Bro I know they're broken

[lone trench]

They said no true combo

[sick ocean]

if i make a char that struggles to kill, like, a lot, then 0-50 is entirely fair

[fluid chasm]

I never wanted them to be buffed after their grab got buffed

[small nymph]

As someone who still plays competitive Smash Brawl, I like neutral game a lot. But I also like combos, so I want a happy middle ground where I can still get interesting combos without being able to kill off of 1-2 interactions

[kind jolt]

I mean sure give them a few normal combos but it's not healthy to die in 2 interactions

[fluid chasm]

They were balanced as hell before the shield update

[lone trench]

No it’s not. That’s just bad balancing

You could literally increase their knockback at high % but decrease the damage that’s it

[kind jolt]

Why would you make a character do a ton of damage and very little kill power?

[sick ocean]

you simply wouldnt, cz if i hv a combo char that does a 0-50, and then cant string a long enough combo to do it again, and can do increasingly less dmg from interactions, while struggling to kill, its rlly just a preference thing that u wouldnt want it to be in the game

[solar field]

I feel like that's alot of people's trouble that they try to combo up and end up missing a read

[lone trench]

^

[small nymph]

See Arya has a 0-50 true combo. But before, up special combod into fully charged sair which killed at like 100, so she only needed 3 hits to take a stock

[fluid chasm]

Give jack combo game

[sick ocean]

well, ig cz i like sheik, but also just hving diff chars is nice, cz not every1 wants to play no combo swordie gameplay

[lone trench]

Finn is peak balancing imo

[small nymph]

lmao no

[lone trench]

Then who

[small nymph]

Finn has higher damaging optimal combos than Arya

[sick ocean]

well, you see, arya doesnt struggle to kill therefore she doesnt rlly fit in my thought process

[lone trench]

😹😹😹😹

[kind jolt]

Can't you just give them the combos and make them do less damage, isn't that the essence of combo heavy characters typically?

[small nymph]

and jab jab beemo still kills at like 80

[fluid chasm]

Finn is fine

[sick ocean]

how is it bad balancing?

[lone trench]

😹😹😹😹

[kind jolt]

When Sheik does 70 damage in a single combo it's extremely hard work and is practically only available to the top 0.1% of Sheiks

[sick ocean]

it could be, but less dmg per combo gives a lot of complexity, and while u could make that type of a char, they will ofc be harder, the type of char im mentioning is more bayonetta than sheik rlly, and theyre both great designs

[lone trench]

Finn can probably get 35%+ of bad Di that’s it

[light badge]

pathetic

[fluid chasm]

I smell bad di

[solar field]

People think he's easy to get to grandmaster but I struggled my a$$ off to get him to master 3 where I peaked with him cus all his moves are so easily countered

[sick ocean]

yeah, thats the thing, that wouldnt happen rlly, ppl do like, max 0-40 at this point, if u get to 70, u got reset

[kind jolt]

I personally don't think 30% in a jab combo should happen either jabs do too much damage

[small nymph]

Bugs, Jason, Smith, Black Adam, Lebron, etc

[fluid chasm]

Letting jabs being able to turn around shouldn't be a thing

[lone trench]

Imagine that in 2s then

[light badge]

nah, i smell that characters can kill u at 0 from jab (by characters i mean gizmo)

[small nymph]

All better balanced than Finn

[fluid chasm]

Real

[sick ocean]

but this is a simpler game, they need simpler ways to get combos started

[light badge]

people are clueless

[potent stone]

The problem is that maybe people have no complaints when their main is buffed and asks to nerf everyone else, we are in a constant loop gentlemen, for example maybe in season 5 they nerf ppg but they buff idk, Finn or Batman, we will return to the buff PPG and nerf Batman, it's an endless cycle that we can't escape, HELP!!!!!! 🙆‍♂️

[fluid chasm]

I question a lot of takes

[sick ocean]

they wouldnt rlly be able to combo for that long, also they will hv higher kill struggles

[sick ocean]

ive been wanting that harley revert since sair buff, there r exceptions

[fluid chasm]

Pfg just give me a new ppg cosmetic

[solar field]

Jason can kill in less than 70

[lone trench]

None of these characters are peak balancing. Only character that’s close is bugs, I would rather have all the characters be similar to Finn than the other 5 u listed

[kind jolt]

I don't want this games identity to be reduced to simplicity because that was never what this was about

The devs supposedly also don't want that

[light badge]

gizmo

[small nymph]

Finn has the Smash Sonic problem where optimal Finn play is to literally camp to time because no one can catch him. Tell me how that's peak design?

[sick ocean]

i mean, then what starts combos rlly? cz if u say like, sair, first of all, some chars alr do, and if u do make that change, sairversus is the next boom
just bc someone is fishing for jab doesnt mean its a bad char, the only reason why we said jabversus was bc of how safe and ez it was

[kind jolt]

Bugs camps better

[fluid chasm]

I'll Jake nair spam

[small nymph]

Bugs has projectiles to camp sure. His camping is easier. But Finn's camping is more optimal

[lone trench]

Oh it’s a long combo? I thought you meant they would have a lot of damage but bad kill power

If that’s the case then it’s fine aslong as it’s diable

[kind jolt]

It should depend on the character but jabs should not be uniformly encouraged or any other move

[fluid chasm]

Most shield breakers are ass

[small nymph]

I think it's fine to have characters with "that move" but said move shouldn't be jab for so many characters

[kind jolt]

Yeah definitely

[sick ocean]

bru no @0@
just a char that has high combo ceiling but cant kill very well

[potent stone]

well that's what I mean, as long as people have their main buffed there will be no complaints now if maybe in season 5 Harley can be balanced or broken, well the people who hate Harley and see that her main is ppg and see that harley is better, we will go back to the same old thing "nerf harley, buff ppg" if we are honest the community doesn't know what it wants at this point either 😂 anyway chaos arises 🍿ñom ñom

[lone trench]

Peak design because he takes skill and doesn’t do crazy % off a jab. Finn as all about labbing and most of his stuff is diable

[small nymph]

This is what I'm asking the devs to take the direction in with basically every character but to varying degrees

[kind jolt]

That's fine but Sheik def isn't Arya if that's what you were comparing to earlier

[sick ocean]

i mean, finn can look for way more moves, harleys use sair or just aerials, gizmo opens ppl up with arrows, the issues arent rlly always the chars, the community just doesnt ever want to evolve

[lone trench]

True long combos or diable?

[sick ocean]

no, shes killing bayo

[sick ocean]

both

[small nymph]

jab jab IAD dair utilt uair

[lone trench]

If there is a combo that lets you do 40-45%+ true that’s already unfair

[sick ocean]

ppg is better than harley tho 😔
also bc of harleys kit, unless they absolutely bomb her down, she will at least be a tier

[kind jolt]

Hitstun is bad

[sick ocean]

less combos for jason pls 🙏

[kind jolt]

True combos are bad because hitstun is unfun

[lone trench]

No matter how early or late they kill

[small nymph]

oh, he's fine as is

[sick ocean]

bro what @0@

[sick ocean]

he's strupid 🙏

[kind jolt]

Past a certain point I mean not all hitstun

[small nymph]

Jason has more combos than Shaggy with better kill power. Let that sink in

[lone trench]

Unless it requires something like rage or a set up like ravens bird

[sick ocean]

hitstun not only is good, its necessary

[sick ocean]

literally what i mean tho

[lone trench]

There’s obviously more than that

[small nymph]

Oh I know. That's probably not even the most optimal combo, but it's the low pecent combo every Finn uses from jab

[kind jolt]

The community doesn't need to evolve when the baseline is so high, so to be good you don't have to output much effort.

[sick ocean]

not rlly, like actually, imagine if arya had the same special clause as bayo did, it'd make her landings way more punishable after going for reads

[small nymph]

And then the bad Finn players just use the day 1 jab jab dtilt

[lone trench]

I see Finns doing reverse iad sair to mess up the opponents Di. I think that’s pretty smart, barely any other character does this or has to

[small nymph]

Oh yeah I've seen that too

[sick ocean]

i mean, u clearly do, just never in ranked bc while the strategies are beatable, why would u play that much game against some1 annoying for ranked points?

[small nymph]

jab jab IAD reverse sair 1 jab jab IAD dair utilt uair

[sick ocean]

harley mains are sick as always 🙏

[lone trench]

No

[small nymph]

I've been hit by that too and it deals like 50 damage

[sick ocean]

stop the harley hate fr 🙏

[small nymph]

I'm sorry but I will continue to hate Harley until they patch in her hurtbox

[lone trench]

Bruh come on. That’s does like 35% max

[small nymph]

dude I literally just got hit by it

it's a lot closer to 50

[clever stump]

well made it to diamond 1 once I hit masters done for the season lol

[worn ferry]

you guys should stop having your BORING conversations and join arena mode w me

[unreal tulip]

way to go! : )

[sick ocean]

dealt 33

[small nymph]

Basically me except I've been waiting for PPG and Marcy to get fixed

[worn ferry]

We should have a chat arena mode tourney

[clever stump]

honestly I just been using shield rolling and been doing alright

[unreal tulip]

give me a few minutes and I might join

[kind jolt]

Most characters aren't used optimally regardless, Flacoco is like the #1 player and he literally turns his brain off in tournament play sometimes

[small nymph]

With perks too?

[lone trench]

See 2 iad in a combo doesn’t even do 40%. That’s why I like current Finn

[worn ferry]

😄

I guess demo is skurred. checks out tbh

[clever stump]

people need to use the shield more and I thought I see more use in high play and a lot of people aren't

[sick ocean]

he's not the #1 player tho, even then

[kind jolt]

You can afford to make mistakes when odds are 50% of the time you're gonna get kills criminally early

[potent stone]

My mains in this game are Superman, Jason and IG, I use all the characters but if I have to say who my mains are, they are the three of them, now people will surely come and say that I abuse Superman's armor or that I repeat the same combos from Jason etc...etc, guys please, not all players play the same way

[small nymph]

Unfortunately this hasn't been working well enough against those two

[clever stump]

though will say I think it's pretty crappy most projectiles break beside lebons balls lol only issue

[sick ocean]

42 full dmg perks

[unreal tulip]

Is what?

[clever stump]

I don't know Shield blocks the start up and from there you can punish

perry is also another risky thing but have to have good timing for it

[small nymph]

Ok, well guess we meet in the middle. I was overestimating and demo was underestimating

[worn ferry]

Chat too scared to fight in arena tourney smh

[lone trench]

Yea but before you say anything @small nymph bag is literally the better perk to use

[kind jolt]

Ranked #1 means nothing to me I would say of all the people playing in tournaments the one with the most skill and accolades is Flacoco

[clever stump]

I can hit maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of my perries

[sick ocean]

both wrong, BACK TO FORTNITE

[worn ferry]

Where's the street fighter 6 discord I need players with some spine

[small nymph]

Never played

[kind jolt]

Most other legitimate pros already fled the scene

[clever stump]

it really depends how much sleep and if I party the night before lol

[lone trench]

Try without 5%

[sick ocean]

if u want to use tourneys why not say girph is #1?

[small nymph]

lol

[night perch]

Ragebaiting

[sick ocean]

40

[night perch]

I'm being sarcastic

I like PPG as characters but I hate them in this game so much

[clever stump]

Yeah cause Most are top streamers and they go to the next hot game which is marval rivals at the moment

[lone trench]

aight

[night perch]

I kind of want to go back to overwatch

[unreal tulip]

That was 5 hours ago : )

[small nymph]

Was never into Overwatch, so I didn't figure I'd be into Marvel Rivals

[clever stump]

why lol when rivals does it better but understand if you want to go back

[worn ferry]

Just play TF2 and have more fun instead

[lone trench]

Overwatch? Invest in rivals

[night perch]

It's kind of sad because OverWatch had some really good designed characters and lore. I'm not going back to stay I'm going back to see what happened after the bombs dropped (player count going down)

[worn ferry]

I think we can all agree Overwatch is terrible

[small nymph]

I don't really like hero shooters

[unreal tulip]

If you do, play Roadhog : )

[west sky]

I dont think u can do jab after a grounded sair, at least not in a true manner
Doing the side attack input just does sair2

[kind jolt]

Hes probably closer to optimal but Harley doesn't have the killing power of a Finn or Garnet or others so It makes sense

[clever stump]

Nah overwatch was good, then we found out how horrible blizard could be and they got greedy and tarnished their name

[worn ferry]

Like MV may have its problems but at least it's not Overwatch

[clever stump]

used to mean something when you saw that "blizard" logo

[sick ocean]

i dont quite understand what u mean but harley kill power is fine, its pretty well distributed

[kind jolt]

I do know Flacoco is a more seasoned professional believe it or not

[small nymph]

you can with dodge jab

[clever stump]

now just another greedy company

[unreal tulip]

All companies are greedy,

[west sky]

Interesting. Doesnt it go too far and whiff tho?

[fluid chasm]

Activision ruined one of my childhood games

[unreal tulip]

Pong

[worn ferry]

Everytime there's a new Blizzard lawsuit they release a new LGBT OW character

[small nymph]

you can reverse it just like when you do IAD
reverse sair 1

[west sky]

Activision only has one good game, guitar hero

[night perch]

Bro I already saw I was a red flag when I found out World of Warcraft was a subscription

[small nymph]

CoD?

[fluid chasm]

Uh Skylanders

[west sky]

Oooh true

[lone trench]

Peak game

[west sky]

Peak

[clever stump]

also give a raise to who ever was like "you know what bugs pies need less healing and more knock back" ❤️

[fluid chasm]

It started a new revolution during early 2010s

[clever stump]

I love that bug's pies are actually useful now

[sick ocean]

and ground bounce ❤️

[west sky]

Tom morello's song was so good as a 8 year old i would just play that song for 30m straight

[kind jolt]

I was watching Flacoco and some Garnet just trade stocks back and forth at 50 for a whole set

[small nymph]

Because Garnet was one of those characters who was overbuffed with kill power

[sick ocean]

thats kill potential, which harley is also fine on

[clever stump]

Peak of Child hood collecting and gaming

[west sky]

I dont believe harley has less kill power than finn, he relies on backpack and touch of deaths, harley has like 10 different approaches that lead into hammer which kills earlier than backpack
Also she can juggle, finn can do but not a third as effective

[fluid chasm]

Ro bow the rarest is $600

[clever stump]

got cool little figures and cool new character with levels was a sweet deal

[kind jolt]

When you do it every stock it's kill power not potential, any character has kill potential it's just more or less inconsistent.

[unreal tulip]

Logging in right now

[small nymph]

in terms of raw kill power, Harley is better. In terms of kill setups, Finn is better

[clever stump]

yeah have to know the match up, and the map and use those to advantage

[sick ocean]

not rlly, cz u cant rlly say its kill power even then, thats how kill potential works in the first place

[kind jolt]

Watch Finn vs Garnet then watch Harley vs Agent Smith

[worn ferry]

nvm

I'm getting on tf2

[west sky]

Yeah that's my viewpoint, and I'd argue you'd have to be the best of the best for better kill setups to be more relevant than kill power

[sick ocean]

cz thats just how harley plays, also, dash attack sair literally puts the opponent in guess for stock at 0 btw

[unreal tulip]

Play the Pyro, and ignore what the team needs

[lone trench]

Are there any Marvin pros?

[small nymph]

I mean Harley is better than Finn

[worn ferry]

Nah I gotta go spy or sniper and miss all my shots for extra uselessness

[unreal tulip]

Well, I don't know any cons to play Marvin

[small nymph]

For several different reasons

[lone trench]

[kind jolt]

When I say consistency I don't mean do X combo and get multiple DI reads to kill

[sick ocean]

but both garnet and finn do that, also, thats how kill potential works

[west sky]

Like reindog has negative kill power, every stock is a edge guard, juggle or dragging to side blastzones. Not a single "hit this move to kill"
At best is charged uptilt, which very rarely ppl fall for that

Similar to finn yet he's low tier

[small nymph]

except that he can loop sair into itself across the stage into side special for kills

[night perch]

I don't want to hear anything about Finn

[small nymph]

Reindog isn't low tier btw. That's propaganda

[west sky]

As i said dragging to side blastzones

[unreal tulip]

They exported Sekiro though : )

[night perch]

I hate how he can just avoid projectiles because of his stance

[sick ocean]

gb but yeah, rein is like a tier

[night perch]

Like Finn is always leaned so none of your projectiles actually hit him

[worn ferry]

doesn't matter grandpa max no one will play him

[small nymph]

Yes, Finn was designed to be the anti projectile zoner

[sick ocean]

nossages and gusta tho

[night perch]

He's so annoying though

[small nymph]

Oh I agree

[night perch]

He should not be able to increase his speed, have shields, have a robot that does insane damage, be able to charge most of his moves (while MOVING) which requires no skill at all

[small nymph]

This is why everyone thinks he's low tier. He has one of the smallest playerbases

[west sky]

Im saying 1s only
And when rein has to try harder than most of the roster to be half as effective I wouldn't say he's high tier
I'd agree on a middle ground and say he's mid to high middle tier

Still below half the roster but not ass like taz

[fallen coyote]

All they gotta do is reduce his speed while he's charging his ground moves, that's my only gripe

[kind jolt]

It's not comparable and if you disagree than my advice Is to watch some more tournaments

[small nymph]

There are only two ass characters in this game in 1v1 and they're Velma and IG

[worn ferry]

Can you blame them? You gotta hate yourself at least a little bit to be a reindog man. I lock reindog in and immedietely fall asleep using that moveset. 😴

[sick ocean]

like, taz aint even ass, theyre both good character, just under represented

[rain tapir]

jack is worse then ig

[fallen coyote]

Lmao 2 of my mains

[sick ocean]

where no1 can hit harley she puts them at like 70 and kills with 1 read?

[worn ferry]

Don't say that again 🔫

[small nymph]

I'm not so sure, but Jack is definitely down there

[fluid chasm]

Jack is worse

[fallen coyote]

So true, dude is legit an assassin

[west sky]

Viable but unsuffurable, trying every second for a close game

[rain tapir]

ig has his bs factor, jack has practically nothing

[west sky]

I love him, he's my secondary, but its painn

[small nymph]

The bottom 3 is definitely Velma, IG, and Jack

[fallen coyote]

"gOoD nUeTrAl gAmE"

[sick ocean]

hey, still good

[rain tapir]

even velma has better neutral then jack

[west sky]

Fair, not a fan of the word good tho, makes me pair him with the likes of batman type shid

[sick ocean]

watch me be such a bad harley yall will consider putting her bottom 1

[fallen coyote]

I used to think Jack was top tier, but after playing ranked, I noticed so many faults

[small nymph]

Jack's issue is just that he literally doesn't have combos

[sick ocean]

i think he's legit just there tho

[fluid chasm]

Jack issues his kill options suck and no combo game

[sick ocean]

and cant kill

[small nymph]

He was in 2v2 at his debut

[night perch]

He shouldn't be able to charge it at all because then he'll just wait for you. His kit requires nothing but reaction time and this game is slow so

[small nymph]

but only because rage side special was near unavoidable off stage

[fallen coyote]

Did they recently nerf him or something

[kind jolt]

https://youtu.be/lqBTDTzUhFg?si=omFF5WlhYgg-LJVF
Tell me Harley isn't working harder to find kills here

[fluid chasm]

They gutted him

[west sky]

They just jab until you're at kill % and then struggle to kill lol
Haven't lost to a decent jack in a while

[fluid chasm]

Jack is in the bottom

[small nymph]

I ran into one Jack player who played very strangely

[kind jolt]

Just bait and edge guard and you're 90% of the way to winning with Jack

[sick ocean]

i mean yeah, she kills not very quickly if she doesnt use other things, doesnt mean she falls short?

[fallen coyote]

Really?? I need to find the most recent patch notes

[small nymph]

he like intentionally dropped his followups after jab

[fluid chasm]

It was in early season 3

[fallen coyote]

Jab has no followups

[sick ocean]

best jack combo fr

[strange fjord]

best thing he can do is just jab 2 then jump

[sick ocean]

jab into utilt still works, it just gives nothing much

[small nymph]

He did jab 2 into nothing and stood there

[fallen coyote]

This is the only Jack combo I know
Then into dodging fair or side special

[strange fjord]

tf else am I suppose to do if mfs can run out of up tilt

[small nymph]

I think it might've been his internet acting up because he DC'ed in game 2

[strange fjord]

that's the best thing we got 😭

[west sky]

He was expecting you to dodge in then got depressed

[strange fjord]

exactly

[sick ocean]

u could also cancel utilt into grab

[kind jolt]

Refer back to Sheik who is theoretically the #1 character in Ultimate

[strange fjord]

it's just for mix's ups

[small nymph]

No, it's still Steve

[kind jolt]

Kill potential doesn't mean anything if you aren't consistently finding early kills

[small nymph]

Theoretically Steve can kill from one interaction

[west sky]

Same with luigi so they're tied for #1 now

[fallen coyote]

You can?? I've always had trouble canceling his uptilt

[sick ocean]

shes not even close to a theoretical #1, shes good for sure, but no, also, harley is nothing like sheik, harley is at this point maybe even mario, shes good at everything, can deal with everything, but u hv to play up to win more rlly

[kind jolt]

With perfect play Sheik frame data beats everyone, problem is humans aren't capable of perfection

[small nymph]

and has way more effective camping tools that shut down nearly the entire cast

[small nymph]

Luigi has better frame data

[sick ocean]

just input b4 second part of utilt iirc

[small nymph]

So theoretically Luigi would be better then

[sick ocean]

steve blocks are better than sheik

[fallen coyote]

Thank you gf of a murder bot

[west sky]

Dirt > sheik

[sick ocean]

[fluid chasm]

Steve

[fallen coyote]

Omg it works

[small nymph]

True!

[kind jolt]

No because Sheiks advantage state with perfect play would do 70, 80, 90% and kill

[sick ocean]

p sure sheik is still better, like, crazy how safe even her smash attacks are on shield, but yeah, she might be top 10 theoretically tho

[sick ocean]

and current steve advantage state kills from 0, your point?

[fallen coyote]

Jack should get a damage buff if they aren't gonna beef up his frame data

[fluid chasm]

They forgot jack

[kind jolt]

Steve's frame data doesn't keep up with Sheiks

[sick ocean]

block

[fluid chasm]

Phantom block state end of discussion

[night perch]

They panic And then just start using side special

[sick ocean]

or cancel the hitstun, or cancel the knockback

[west sky]

Lmao i love spacing that move then they spam dodge backwards

[sick ocean]

i dont think u realize how ridiculous CURRENT steve is, steve is by far the best character in smash, no questions asked

[fluid chasm]

Kazuya is fun

[fallen coyote]

As a Jack player, I rarely use my side special unless I'm punishing whiffs

[sick ocean]

no hitpause lookin ahh ;-;

[night perch]

If you know how to play Tekken godd*mn it

Kazuya is not easy at all

[fluid chasm]

I use my fight stick when I play shotos

[kind jolt]

Inputing a slower move that kills at 0 vs a faster weaker move that kills at 150 with perfect play means necessarily that the one with better frame data wins.

[sick ocean]

no cheater box pov?

[sick ocean]

yes yes, but what if, you hit that move, and get punished for hitting it?

[small nymph]

Looking at it now, Shiek has faster startup on 2 aerials, slower startup on 1 aerial, and less end lag on only 1 aerial

[kind jolt]

Then you simply would use a different move bc Sheik frame data truly is that much better than almost every other character

[sick ocean]

Yeah, sheik is the best example of frame data doesn't make a character broken

[small nymph]

But Shiek's aerials are marginally safer when done perfectly before landing

Except dair

[sick ocean]

You don't understand, you can cancel hitstun with Steve, no move would change the outcome, most you could say is needle camp, but then block just does what I said first

[fluid chasm]

Block covers so much neutral

I might be the only one to say this I hate Sora's moveset

[small nymph]

PMLG still has no way of properly being banned because of how hard it is to detect

[fluid chasm]

Smash flash 2 had a better sora moveset

But at least the community realized Sora's playstyle is lame

[small nymph]

Actually, Steve is still banned in my region

[small nymph]

Don't forget all the people claiming Sora to be top tier because of a hyper specific theoretical infinite he can get when the stars align on a tuesday after winning the lottery

[fluid chasm]

Kazuya is still banned in my state

[small nymph]

Kazuya is just better Luigi

Actually, I hate how "Luigi-like" is it's own category of characters in Ultimate

[cinder perch]

[drowsy hill]

Luigi got robbed in SSBU

[small nymph]

Why are there like 7 "death combo the character" characters in Ultimate?

[drowsy hill]

Idk

[small nymph]

bad game design

[little solstice]

Talking about smash in the Multiversus server is crazy

[drowsy hill]

As a K Rool main it PAIN to fight Kazyua

[small nymph]

tbf MVS isnt really doing much better with how many characters have had infinites or death combos

[west sky]

Talking about a fighting game in a fighting game server is insane

[small nymph]

I share your pain as I secondary K Rool

[unreal tulip]

it kinda started from a Shaggy discussion tho

[drowsy hill]

Steve is the bane of my existence

[small nymph]

All of my characters lose to Steve

So I'm glad he's banned in my state lmao

[limber onyx]

7 out of 89 is really a pretty good percentage

[spice horizon]

Steve not be obnoxious challenge in and outside the cartoon: impossible

[small nymph]

Tis true. The conversation evolved into discussion of combo expression and devolved into a Smash rant

[drowsy hill]

I cant wait to take 70% in one combo

[limber onyx]

Or uh 86, whatever the the number is

[unreal tulip]

Bane is the Zangief of my existence

[small nymph]

take out echos

[limber onyx]

Still it’s less than 10% even without them

[spice horizon]

TSPD

[small nymph]

I mean, you can say the same about MVS

yet it's still a problem

[limber onyx]

This is true

[sick ocean]

smash sucks ngl

[spice horizon]

lul even the pfg dev team is playing rivals

[unreal tulip]

Zangief is the Potemkin of my existence

[drowsy hill]

Bc MVS has a way smaller roster

[limber onyx]

Shockingly devs are allowed to play games

[spice horizon]

heavenry busturu

[spice horizon]

they're allowed to make good ones too, yet here we are

[small nymph]

Potemkin is the King of my existence

[limber onyx]

You sure about that? Most games are not good

[sick ocean]

King is the guile of my existence

[spice horizon]

nice deflect, I give it a 3/10

[unreal tulip]

King is the Tizoc of my existence

[limber onyx]

Deflecting cause I wasn’t even talking about mvs

Seems weird to call it bad

[spice horizon]

but I was

[kind jolt]

Some moves can actually stop that and also if hypothetically every character is playing perfectly then it would be a draw, which defeats the point. We're effectively talking about a glitch vs character design

[limber onyx]

You were talking about rivals…

[kind jolt]

Sheik isn't broken because humans aren't perfect

[spice horizon]

and mvs

[sick ocean]

thats why steve is broken, bc he's so unfair its a joke

[spice horizon]

are frogs perfect

[limber onyx]

Look just insult the game normally, playing another game just means the devs like gaming

[small nymph]

Well, guess it's time to play the real game of the year

[kind jolt]

No but toads may be

[limber onyx]

Be direct

[sick ocean]

yu gi oh master duel 🙏

[spice horizon]

look it was a bit, satire etc, aint that deep, no need to bring out the shiny armor

[small nymph]

that's a funny way of spelling Balatro

[limber onyx]

What does that mean

[spice horizon]

I'll let you figure it out

[limber onyx]

I’m just tired of a totally different genre game like rivals being brought up here

[spice horizon]

get used to it

[limber onyx]

No

[spice horizon]

oh well, we'll manage

[sick ocean]

[limber onyx]

But I’ll be crying

[spice horizon]

gives napkin

[limber onyx]

Oh thanks I had a stain on my shirt

[spice horizon]

was it MVS?

[limber onyx]

No that’s not how video games work

[spice horizon]

bummer

[limber onyx]

Can’t spill them

[spice horizon]

but you can leak them

[drowsy hill]

Is anyone gonna even care about MVS in S5?

[limber onyx]

Hmm, true

[spice horizon]

not me lol

[unreal tulip]

you will always have my comprehension

[limber onyx]

Probably just the same people who care now

[sick ocean]

yeah

[limber onyx]

Can’t see it gaining many players

[drowsy hill]

Most already been absorbed by Marvel Rivals

[unreal tulip]

I've been meeting a few new ones lately

I try to go easy when I see one : )

[spice horizon]

I wonder how many would switch to RoA2 if they tried it

[real rampart]

I certainly didn't. Tried, didn't like it

[limber onyx]

Eh, those probably weren’t the type to stick around anyway.

[unreal tulip]

I didn't try and most certainly won't

[kind jolt]

I forgot the point of the hypothetical

[spice horizon]

so far nobody posted in relevancy of the Q lol

[drowsy hill]

I only quit bc the game is unbareble and boring

[limber onyx]

They’re moving to whatever is hot and new (normal thing, not meaning this in a rude way), those players would have left anyway

[drowsy hill]

I did it for my sanity

[sick ocean]

why sheik isnt #1 best character with perfect sheik play

[spice horizon]

my bad, 1 person did

[limber onyx]

Yeah fair enough

[sick ocean]

hate hving to wave dash forward for full length for whatever reaosn

[drowsy hill]

Unless the game gets alot better im not coming back

[spice horizon]

not a fan either

I don't wanna hit 160 APM just to move

[limber onyx]

I can see general game mechanics improving, I think we’re always gonna have balance issues releasing characters at a rate of one per month

[spice horizon]

they'll never add matchmaking to rifts, will they?

[unreal tulip]

Are we talking about Street Fighter 3 now?

[limber onyx]

They really should

Would be a good addition to rifts

[spice horizon]

ah I get it, G

ye it would be
been harping on it since S1
nobody cared

[drowsy hill]

They even said "Combat Overhaul" 3 or 4 times now

[spice horizon]

they always say that

[limber onyx]

To be fair a lot has changed, it just don’t fix the issues

[spice horizon]

it's like the abusive SO who goes "it's ok dear, this time I learnt my lesson and it'll be different, I promise"

I can only take that bs so many times

[limber onyx]

They just working on other problems instead of the main ones

For whatever reason

[spice horizon]

ye and thy've been busy adding NOT major characters (some exceptions apply)

[drowsy hill]

Daffy got shafted

[quaint jungle]

Season 37 and my assists badge is still invisible

[spice horizon]

quacked his last

[limber onyx]

Pretty much everyone except banana guard and Nubia have been big names so far

[spice horizon]

lmao

[drowsy hill]

He forgot to pay his debts to WB

[limber onyx]

Season 37…

[spice horizon]

couldve had neo instead of smith but fine

[west sky]

Finally someone that agrees Reindog is huge

[limber onyx]

Weird choice, but he’s pretty cool so he gets a pass

[unreal tulip]

That's The House of the Dead

[spice horizon]

ye one of the more passable ones

[spice horizon]

ok combo broken, you lost me
but I know of that arcade shooter game

[kind jolt]

The broader point being that kill consistency is more important than kill potential because technically Sheik has the highest kill potential of any character outside of glitches and even certain glitches have counter play but thats sort of an unnecessary tangent to go on we could just say Sheik could technically be #2 if you wanted and the hypothetical would remain the same because shes obviously not close to that either

[limber onyx]

In any case 2 unpopular picks with stuff like Joker, Jason, PPG, Raven and Jack is fine

[spice horizon]

2% of the time, she works every time, or sth

[unreal tulip]

G is a character from a few games of THotD

[spice horizon]

it's "fine" but do we really want to set the standard at fine?

[limber onyx]

They don’t even seem to keep many players for a new character, so it’s sorta pointless

[spice horizon]

ah I meant from SF5

[kind jolt]

To me season 5 is practically the last hope for this game and if they fail hard that season I'd just advise anyone to uninstall because its just a big waste but we'll see

[sick ocean]

still steve btw, and also bayo is still better than sheik in that regard, even now

[spice horizon]

it'd help if fighter road wasn't cheeks for new players

[limber onyx]

Yeah, if everyone was free or tighter road was just better we’d probably keep more players

[kind jolt]

wdym Bayo

[spice horizon]

"hey im new I want raven"
"ok grind for 150ish hours pls"
"ok I uninstall bye"

[rain tapir]

new players just see fighter road and dont want to play anymore

[kind jolt]

really gross stuff

[spice horizon]

it's frankly asinine

[sick ocean]

bayonetta in smash has higher kill potential than even perfect play sheik

[drowsy hill]

Plus grinding characters is really tedious

[limber onyx]

Well, I do also think if you only care for one character chances are you won’t stay long regardless

[kind jolt]

No excuse, nobody cares about choosing 1/3 characters in a pack as long as the newest character happens to be in the last 3 it means you need to unlock 29 instead of 32 before getting the last character which is just useless

[unreal tulip]

I know, but I had a ace up my sleeve XD

[limber onyx]

But still it would stop people from being put off immediately which can only be good

[spice horizon]

but they hsould make it as likely as possible that someone stuck around, not as lil

[sick ocean]

apparantely the speed to get chars isnt even that bad, its just the lack of choosing who to get

[spice horizon]

I was out-connosieur'd

all they had to do was reward 50-60 FC per game and keep the system as is

[rain tapir]

about 160 hours to get marceline assuming 3 minute matches

[unreal tulip]

What can I say, GG : )

[spice horizon]

gg

[kind jolt]

Frame data outside of glitches does not lose to anything with perfect play

[spice horizon]

I palyed some HotD game like twice on a holiday ages ago at an arcade
ya boomer 😛

[kind jolt]

even if you have a 0td as long as you get the first hit as Sheik you would be able to convert bc perfect reads make everything else null and void

[safe crystal]

MORTY IS A SHIITT CHARACTER

[limber onyx]

Yeah more FC would’ve worked

[safe crystal]

WORST CHARACTER IN MULTIVERSUS

[west sky]

Yeah

[unreal tulip]

I have "the typing of the dead" and played a game called "SEGA heroes" on mobile once

[spice horizon]

just rewind his design process, easy

[west sky]

Nah

[sick ocean]

clover has the majority of the cast on a new acc with less hours than that, but ofc, no agency on who to get

[spice horizon]

lul, the obscure stuff

[safe crystal]

Shitt character with full of terrible hurtboxes and bug

[drowsy hill]

Jake:

[kind jolt]

how do you fix morty

[sick ocean]

first of all, i mentioned kill potential, second of all, you even admitted perfect play vs perfect play is a draw, and third of all, bayonetta can still kill at 0

[spice horizon]

you throw him in a vat of acid

aight bye

[limber onyx]

He does that himself if you win

[unreal tulip]

that will fix him alright

[unreal tulip]

K'

[iron silo]

Bayonetta deserves everything

[sick ocean]

YES 🗣️ 🔥

[limber onyx]

Like chainsaw heels

Whip heels

[kind jolt]

Yes perfect play would even the playing field, the whole point is that X character is better than Sheik because Sheik doesn't have access to perfect play

[warm holly]

multiversus

[kind jolt]

Its all just an example of theoretical kill potential not translating to real life

[remote wadi]

High-school of the dead?

[kind jolt]

Which is why we cant talk about characters killling consistently at 50 then pan back to X character who can kill at the same percent if they do 3x as much work

[sick ocean]

but bayo does have that translation

so does steve, and luigi, and kazuya

[kind jolt]

Thats nice

If you have characters that have theoretical kill potential and can translate it easier than another character than you would think that character is better

[kind jolt]

what a horrible show btw

one of the worst animes I've ever seen

[remote wadi]

Ok.

[limber onyx]

Real

[oak quail]

i also say this

[grave umbra]

When the versus multiplies

[spice summit]

Yo so my girlfriend is playing on PS4 and I'm on Xbox we have each other added on it and we can't join each other why not?

[limber onyx]

Are you just not seeing invites?

[spice summit]

I am it send but said cant join

[warm holly]

MultiVersus (MVS) is a free-to-play crossover fighting game developed by Player First Games and published by Warner Bros. Games for PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Windows, Xbox One, and Xbox Series X/S. A platform fighter, the game features content from Warner Bros. franchises, including Looney Tunes, Scooby-Doo, Game of Thrones, the DC Universe, and Cartoon Network franchises. Officially announced in November 2021 following online rumors and leaks,[2] early access and open beta versions of the game ran from July 2022 to June 2023. The game was fully released on May 28, 2024.[3][4]

MultiVersus is a platform fighter, with players battling on different stages and attempting to knock the opponent beyond the stage's boundary by dealing sufficient damage.[5][6][7]

[limber onyx]

Sounds pretty damn real then

[warm holly]

ye seems really cool

[quaint jungle]

“seems”

[thorny vale]

Seems is the key word

[oak quail]

MultiVersus is a free-to-play crossover fighting game developed by Player First Games and published by Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment. The game features a unique roster of characters from various Warner Bros. franchises, including DC Comics, Looney Tunes, Game of Thrones, Scooby-Doo, Adventure Time, and more.
MultiVersus entered open beta in 2022 and gained attention for its creative roster and focus on cooperative gameplay. After a successful beta period, the game went into temporary closure in June 2023, with plans to relaunch in early 2024 to refine the experience further.

thanks chatgpt

bro does not know

[warm holly]

fr

[warm holly]

i am chat gpt

[oak quail]

he doesn't know

[fluid chasm]

I like the fact they barely used other IP

[limber onyx]

They more or less add a new one every season, but I don’t consider DC comics a single entity I guess

If you just categorize into DC and CN then they really do almost nothing else

I think more movie characters would be cool personally

[fluid chasm]

I just go on series brand

[limber onyx]

In my mind the game focuses more Justice league and Batman than DC overall, I guess

But it isn’t an important distinction

[night perch]

I want more cartoon Network characters

I feel like Father would be overpowered

[unreal tulip]

Birds of a father

[night perch]

No the fire guy from Knd

[fluid chasm]

Mojo Jojo should be playable

[dark igloo]

nope

[fluid chasm]

Why not

[limber onyx]

Another character that can turn people into a dog

Let’s go

[fluid chasm]

If ppg gets another rep the most obvious choice

[dark igloo]

Make the rift bosses, raid bosses for rewards like cosmetics, skins and banners.

animated badges

[unreal tulip]

Add Mojo Jojo, Kong and Gorilla Grodd

[limber onyx]

And Jake from my gym parter’s a monkey

[boreal ferry]

hey i havent played in a few months i put 400 hours into multiversus, is the game in an enjoyable state again or has it only gotten worse with the bad balance changes and lazy cosmetics?

[limber onyx]

It’s probably about the same

[dark igloo]

not really but they made some post about improving the combat again.

I personally feel like skins should be reduced to 50 - 75%.

[boreal ferry]

thanks, if it's still alive in a few months ill check back in, i miss beta