general

[ionic swan]

Most of this game‘s playercount doesnt grind past gold or plat

Because playing casually doesnt always mean the players are bad

[raven goblet]

They’re always sweaty lol

But I’m part of that group so

[ionic swan]

Most of the comp players in this community seem to be the biggest whiners and refuse to adapt which is wild

[unreal tulip]

Indeed, fought a Bugs Bunny duo a few times and they were super competitive XD

[ionic swan]

Complaining about shields even tho they literally protect you from spam

[raven goblet]

👆 and they think their opinion is more valuable

[rancid jackal]

Why is dodging instant but shielding isn’t

[raven goblet]

That’s already cringe lol

[worn ferry]

Casual, rank, it's the same thing. Gamers treat both 2s as a glorified training mode and expect you to carry them. All these new peeps lowkey ruining the game for me. But at least ppl are playing I guess

[raven goblet]

Mysteries we are still solving

[ionic swan]

MRivals already starting to feel that comp burnout heat. Im seeing everyone cry for nerfs but then get mad when their own character gets the nerf lol

[unreal tulip]

You gotta equip the shield first

[raven goblet]

And people say I’m crazy when I say to ignore the sweats

[ionic swan]

The devs for MRivals nerfing stuff is the first step for them caving to the comp scene and the game becoming the new Overwatch all over again 🗿

Nobody learns

[raven goblet]

It’s the same devs lol

[ionic swan]

Are they????

[unreal tulip]

It's the natural course of events.

[raven goblet]

Yea lol spoiler alert it will be Overwatch

[raven goblet]

Yea baby

[ionic swan]

My thing is role que isnt even a issue, it exists for a reason. The same reason I feel the mrivals devs will go back on their word and add one in some form.

Not having one makes the class system almost irrelevant.

[unreal tulip]

Once the honeymoon ends, the players who stay will become toxic and competitive.
It's how any game works nowadays.

[raven goblet]

Between Disney Microsoft and Netmarble that game was doomed from launch
Pun intended

[ionic swan]

Plus everyone refusing to go support or tank then proceeding to constantly complain about the healer or tank‘s performance is everything wrong with hero shooters.

[unreal tulip]

I stay the heck away from any online shooter.

[blissful comet]

Man, I think I need a robot tom and Jerry variant from the comics, It could even be legendary

[raven goblet]

Fact

[blissful comet]

Would be sick to play with it while listening to metal Sonic's theme

[unreal tulip]

Stardust Speedway bad future?

[raven goblet]

PSA: Sonic X Justice League comes out next month

[blissful comet]

Yup

[unreal tulip]

You just resumed my MOBA experience as a healer XD

But I was an awesome healer in HotS : )

[umbral void]

this game is dead, play marvel rivals

[ionic swan]

Anyway, Comp good and all, but should never be the main focus in a game where the point is to enjoy yourself.

Mvs has clearly gotten better over time and bets are on we‘ll see even more Quality of life changes to level the playing field even more for us all.

Players who are competitive though will never be satisfied in any game they play though. They cant win em all and they will play all other factors except themselves.

[raven goblet]

Lonely no lifers who stay at home all day

[ionic swan]

Shrugs. Like I said I try to strike a balance of having a competitive spirit while also knowing to relax also

[rancid jackal]

It doesn’t take a comp player to see the flaws in the game

The game is boring

[raven goblet]

That’s how it should be

[unreal tulip]

Like, I played HotS for years and had my share of crybabies.
Then I played Overwatch and got twice that amount of "healer/tank/dps diff" in maybe 3 days.
Shooters make people really horrible

[rancid jackal]

Rifts are boring, fighter road is grindy, arena sucks, the general gameplay is unbalanced, and all the events are structured exactly the same

[limber onyx]

Arena is pretty fun I think

[raven goblet]

We need to go back to the Pong days casual and competitive and all about wits and dexterity

[ionic swan]

Yes all games have flaws, Ive seen players swing into walls as venom in Mrivals and it bugs out and flings them out the map. Did it ruin the game for them? No they are still having fun

[limber onyx]

But I’ve only done like 4 matches

[raven goblet]

Best Mode hands down

[limber onyx]

Could be faster though

[ionic swan]

Arenas fun but I dont solo que for it

[raven goblet]

Arena should be only 5 rounds

Prelim Quarter Semi Finals

Well they’re taking suggestions for it maybe I should tell them

[limber onyx]

I’d love a smash run like mode also

That was a great casual side mode

[raven goblet]

?

[unreal tulip]

I think arena is a riff on auto-chess like hearthstone battleground and maybe a prelude to the rogue rift

[raven goblet]

Like survival?

[raven goblet]

Prelude to Crystal Lake

Realistically Jason wouldn’t like ice

[unreal tulip]

Like those rift mazes, but with rooms closing and becoming fights with bots or something maybe

[raven goblet]

Oh Subspace Emissary?

I think an event match would be funner and give them the chance to implement WB 100+ years of movie catalog into the game

[ionic swan]

Anyone here gonna play Monster hunter wilds next months?

[raven goblet]

I’ve said 100+ so many times…..
They don’t even have any celebratory or centennial stuff in the game

[raven goblet]

Some people will

[limber onyx]

No, it was like a big map where you could fight Nintendo enemies for a few minutes, earn power ups and then have a fight against people afterward

It was the smash 3DS exclusive mode

[bold brook]

Smash Run?

[limber onyx]

Yeah

[ionic swan]

Its my favorite series. Im not quitting mvs ever obviously. If yall wanna join me in MHWilds also though

[wraith geyser]

I loved to play that mode with Live and Learn or Willy´s castle music in the bg ='3

[stone ravine]

Shaggys dash attack may as well be a human crime

[bold brook]

Smash Run would've been more peak if we can interact with other players before the final battle

[raven goblet]

Oh I didn’t play that one dumb how they had exclusives

[raven goblet]

Mila Jovovich

But what about Event Match and Subspace Emissary

[limber onyx]

Always live and learn

Event match was cool actually yeah

[raven goblet]

Well for Subspace we would need actual bosses and maps

[languid coyote]

if they have use a robotic system to detect the cheaters than none of this mess would have happened

[rancid jackal]

Yo those are two of my favorite songs ever. You ever heard of smoove mcgroove?

[hybrid frost]

Smoove mcgroove the acapella legend

[limber onyx]

Well, we do have some actual bosses

[unreal tulip]

Next months? No.
My PC is an elder now : )
It's gonna take me a while to get up to date.

[wraith geyser]

I don't =0 But maybe I have heard something from him.

[unreal tulip]

🫂

[raven goblet]

Yea but they need maps and as a bonus Godzilla could be there

[rancid jackal]

He does acapellas of video game songs, you should listen to his version of wilys castle

[limber onyx]

I’d rather something smaller anyway, more like melee adventure mode

SSE style thing seems to resource intensive

[raven goblet]

Well we already have the maze maps so that’s one step

[raven goblet]

Melee adventure was the same

Like where you would venture through and get to an area where you fight

[wraith geyser]

I think I heard that version once, and some sonic songs from him, but it was many years ago. I will hear it again =3

[wraith geyser]

HUGGIE 🤗🩷

[limber onyx]

Yeah just like a one sitting sorta mode, where SSE was like 20 hours

[raven goblet]

Oh that’s because they overdid it

Melee it was just a straight shot like an arcade
Subspace they added a whole story and alternate routes and everything too much

[normal fulcrum]

Anyone have gameplay footage of iron giants ice skin?

[raven goblet]

I’ve seen people use it if that’s what you mean

[normal fulcrum]

Well yah but I havent and I wanted to see what rage mode looks like and the animations and stuff

Deciding between that and the smith skin, smith is self explanatory, IG has a lot more that I need to see

Sirclap has the skin, ill just ask to see rage mode next time I see em around

[raven goblet]

It looks normal it doesn’t add anything

[trail pine]

I want willy wonka in this game

[raven goblet]

You know good and well he’s never online Smith looks better anyway

[limber onyx]

That would be cool

[raven goblet]

Me too

[wraith geyser]

I want funny ar ar ar bear in the game =0

[limber onyx]

Same

[rancid jackal]

Why has every adventure time character been broken historically

[raven goblet]

Because we need to delete the franchise

[limber onyx]

Power of adventure

[wraith geyser]

Ice King will be balanced =>

[raven goblet]

Who is that

[trail pine]

What would his class be ?

[raven goblet]

Mage

[limber onyx]

I had come up with a willy wonka moveset at some point

[trail pine]

His abilities ?

[raven goblet]

Because in the movie he was a magician and chocolatier

[limber onyx]

I had him as support though since it was a beta moveset concept

[raven goblet]

Candy based attacks and using his cane and oompah loompahs

[wraith geyser]

Freddy Fazbear owo

[trail pine]

You get nothing you lose good day sir

[raven goblet]

Meh im over fnaf

[raven goblet]

Lol that could be his win quote

[trail pine]

For real

[raven goblet]

We seriously need a crap ton of more stages

[trail pine]

What else does Warner Bros own ?

[raven goblet]

A lot…..

[wraith geyser]

Unikitty Owo? I want her gimme gimme >=3

[raven goblet]

Lol I don’t know that one either

[limber onyx]

#fan-art message

found my wonka moveset concept

[raven goblet]

You made it

[limber onyx]

Yeah

[trail pine]

Unikitty,emett and wildstyle

[limber onyx]

I made a fair amount of concepts in beta, that’s why he has support class

[raven goblet]

If I find out you’ve been hiding your creativity …..

[raven goblet]

What?!

[limber onyx]

The wonka concept I posted had him as support class since that existed then

[trail pine]

Imagine Unikitty uses her rage attacks as her ability

https://tenor.com/view/unikitty-lego-legomovie-forgetit-forget-gif-4899261

[normal fulcrum]

So he reverts back to his original rage form? nothing special or icey or the hat?

[lost edge]

Any word on nerfing nairs across the board, they're way to centralizing and just overtuned

[rancid jackal]

AND NOW- AND NOW I BET BY NOW THAT SEGA HAS GOT A FREAKIN SONIC ADVENTURE 3 IN DEVELOPMENT WITH SONIC TEAM BECAUSE YOU FRICKIN FRICKS CAN’T EVER, BE QUENCHED. YOUR FANTASIES CAN’T EVER BE QUENCHED- CAN THEY? YOU FRICKIN FRICKS. WHEN WILL YOU LEARN.. WHEN WILL YOU LEARN THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES!? YOU GUYS KEEP ON ASKING FOR SONIC ADVENTURE 3! YOU’RE RUINING THE SONIC SERIES- HASN’T IT ALREADY SUFFERED ENOUGH!?

[limber onyx]

Huh?

Pfg did WHAT?

[rancid jackal]

AND IT’S STILL SUFFERING! WHAT THE FRICK! SEGA JUST CAN’T PERFECT SONIC IN THE MODERN WORLD, CAN THEY? ALL ‘CUZ WE HAVE TO HAVE MODERN SONIC! WE HAVE TO HAVE THE MODERN CHARACTERS! WE HAVE TO HAVE WE HAVE TO HAVE AN ADVENTURE TITLE DON’T WE? ANOTHER ADVENTURE TITLE! AAAHHHH!!! YOU FRICKIN FRICKS! I’VE HAD IT! I’VE FRICKIN HAD IT! YOU GUYS HAVE OFFICIALY RUINED EVERYTHING! YOU’VE RUINED THE SONIC SERIES THE SONIC SERIES IS DEAD BECAUSE OF THE SONIC FANBASE I WILL FOREVER HATE THE SONIC FANBASE THEY RUINED EVERYTHING RUIN EVERYTHING!

[thorn blade]

Wait what happened? The caps are legit hurting my eyes.

@rancid jackal

[lusty oasis]

Anyome can help me on rift? I only need 7 stars

[raven echo]

🤨

[wraith geyser]

It has nothing to do with that meme but... We need Jason Deity Griffith to voice Sonic again Owo

[wraith geyser]

It is a old meme from the Sonic fandom. A kid said that in a youtube video X>

He was reviewing Sonic Generations, I think

[thorn blade]

Ah I see

Thx for giving me an explanation lol

[wraith geyser]

Anytime c=

[thorn blade]

🙂

[rancid jackal]

I’m about to become the sammyclassicsonicfan of samurai jack players if he doesn’t get buffed next season

[normal fulcrum]

Not enough people to ignite the flame of "jack is op" vs "jack needs a buff" like usual

[wraith geyser]

Huggies needs a buff =3

[kind jolt]

If they heavily reduce hitstun and make minimal changes Jack would get hit real hard

[unreal tulip]

Raisins

[rancid jackal]

That’s not my intention I’m just saying that bro is garbage and officially the worst char in the game even worse than Velma

[unreal tulip]

BTW, have you watched Sonic 3?

[vagrant thunder]

Funny joke.

[wraith geyser]

I did =D!

[unreal tulip]

I did yesterday.
I broke the glass in case of emergency

[vagrant thunder]

He was so impatient during that mission.

[normal fulcrum]

Honestly more sweeping gamewide changes isn't what the game has needed but maybe the end of that road will be something nice and itll work out

[normal fulcrum]

Im more interested in the league of legends vs arcane fan twitter discourse

[kind jolt]

I totally think without sweeping changes theres a 0% chance the game makes it another year

[rancid jackal]

Not a joke I’m deadass

[normal fulcrum]

Game changes don't invigorate new players to join or old players to come back. Characters kinda do that. All those changes do now is alienate current players if they don't like the changes (see how beta players feel about current mvs)

[wraith geyser]

isnt arcane and lol the same universe now =0?

[normal fulcrum]

There are people who are now fans of arcane but have no actual knowledge/interest of league of legends/lol and it has led to some discourse

[kind jolt]

Arcane is not 1:1 with LoL because LoL lore isnt fully developed

It shifts things around and cuts things out (Arcane)

[rancid jackal]

The creators said arcane is cannon so that means it’s cannon

[normal fulcrum]

Arcane is just kinda doing its own thing. RIP the people not happy that viktor got his base model replaced instead of just getting a new skin

[normal fulcrum]

Everything across all lol games are cannon

[kind jolt]

What Game changes does, is make it so when new characters come out the new players are more likely to stay and the game is more likely to live.

[normal fulcrum]

That was their initiative like 2-3 years ago

[deep crescent]

I refuse to support riot in any capacity

[vagrant thunder]

Ohh, well then you're wrong.

[unreal tulip]

You can cut the "dead" part : )

[kind jolt]

lol they violated their fans by releasing the game that we have now, all the sweeping changes are working to salvage the feeling that we had in the old game and its mechanics

[normal fulcrum]

Its also a possibility, although fighter road in its current form solidified that new characters can no longer interest new players or old ones to come back since they have no control of when they get them.

As for the game changes, its a long term investment yah but it depends on the end result being good and the peopls till here along the way staying instead of leaving over said changes

[normal fulcrum]

That was me talking about lol not mvs. Lol's initiative was to make everything cannon across all games

[unreal tulip]

Same. No matter what, I'm not watching it.

[sleek coyote]

[normal fulcrum]

LoR was the main outlier in that regard

[kind jolt]

Arcane canon trumps LoL canon

Its just a replacement

[rancid jackal]

Ok I’m deaass

[deep crescent]

I'm glad I'm not alone lol

[normal fulcrum]

Kinda but not exactly. its why Warwick still exists but we also got a skin that is "vander warwick". Plus because arcane season 2 did the alternate dimension thing it opened up the "alternate dimension" can of worms

[unreal tulip]

That glass will beg for mercy under his mighty fist!
But I loved the "ghosts" bit as a nod to the games.

[kind jolt]

you're right about that

[normal fulcrum]

If they make bold enough moves with lore/character design people will just start to discount it entirely. All characters were the same or upgrades though excpet viktor which had mixed reception by peopl who enjoyed the character

[kind jolt]

if Arcane says VI and Jinx are sisters than it is the case

[normal fulcrum]

But, they were already sisters

[kind jolt]

they weren't

[slim lagoon]

they should drop Gumball and Godzilla in S5

[kind jolt]

people get on the game when new characters drop still

[vagrant thunder]

My 2 favorite references were the helicopter scene and the restaurant.

[slim lagoon]

@kind jolt ur username brings back the memory i had yesterday when i was winning, got stuck in a combo, and then the tech warped me back to them into another combo lol... thats auto tech for ya

[turbid sentinel]

Name and pfp causing me PTSD

[rancid jackal]

Jack is like the only character to get completely gutted and get basically nothing in return

[kind jolt]

player count went from 900+ to 1400+

[raven goblet]

No like he’s just icy and raged visually there’s nothing different

[rancid jackal]

Then leave a week later

[kind jolt]

Thats a MVS classic

[kind jolt]

yes because the system mechanics of the game are still ass

[wraith geyser]

But what's so bad about that =0? I just know Arcane characters, the fox girl and Yordles. Lulu is my favorite character =>

[normal fulcrum]

Jinx used to make references to her "sister" back when she released then after the howling abyss rework the shopkeeper would ask vi about her sister as well. I guess it was kinda just hinted at/fan canon before arcane solidified the history but the reference was still there for them to pull, not thin air. This was before that big lore crunch though so I dont exactly know what happened after

[normal fulcrum]

I havent looked at the effects of marcelline yet, shields I know still lost players as usual that month whereas raven's month things stayed still

[normal fulcrum]

Still would like to see it though if possible

[unreal tulip]

I also liked Eggman's ringtone and how Chao in Space still had posters around the city

[kind jolt]

player count rose 50%

[raven goblet]

There are people playing IG you might run into one

[unreal tulip]

Yesterday I met a duo of IG, both with that skin

[kind jolt]

And to be perfectly honest Marceline is not the biggest IP

[wraith geyser]

Aboard the ARK, a genius at heart
Wanting to unlock the mysteries of life

[normal fulcrum]

Its just an issue of people might like the old lore and not want it to change based on what arcane decides to do with it. For the most of it arcane has been a good thing it just alienated fans of Viktor pretty hard. Like for example the noxus cinematic came out and people are making fan canons when there is already lore

[raven goblet]

Both times I saw it they had a toxic partner Taz and Bugs

[normal fulcrum]

Well thats good, they should fix fighter road though to be more accomodating to people who might just want to come back and play raven or marcelline

[raven goblet]

I know how to fix fighter road

[normal fulcrum]

let people pick any fighter

[unreal tulip]

Well, mine too had a toxic partner, they were 2 Iron Giants : )

[unreal tulip]

I pick Virtua Fighter

[wraith geyser]

I kinda understand them, but it wasn't writers fault, they thought it was another universe, I think. It reminds me I was pretty sad with how SEGA changed Japanese Classic Sonic manual lore with Sonic Origins haha X>

[raven goblet]

Basically but instead of general xp and giving us a random person — we play to get the Fighter Currency or ticket to buy whoever

Since they’re not getting rid of the FC shop and they still have tickets floating around

[raven goblet]

Absolutely despicable

[unreal tulip]

See ya tomorrow! 💤

[kind jolt]

I have a feeling they won't fix fighter road

[normal fulcrum]

Honestly I think arcane dropped the ball a bit on season 2. Its also Riot's fault in general for not trying to preserve the original look of viktor with a skin like trundle or sejuani and making him a new thing entirely. When it was supposed to come with a gameplay change it was justifiable but then those went away and people got annoyed

[normal fulcrum]

that works too, its all the same system just different steps

[kind jolt]

unlocking characters should be in the order of your choosing and they should scale up how much XP it takes to unlock characters based on how frequently they were released

[raven goblet]

Yea

[kind jolt]

So Marceline might be double or triple what a normal fighter would cost

[kind jolt]

people highly rate season 2 and I still think Its underrated

[normal fulcrum]

Yahhhh its a weird situation but they need to do something. When people see new characters and join the game to play them just to see they are forced to unlock between 3 characters they don't want they will just leave

[raven goblet]

It should be the same

[normal fulcrum]

Arcane is one of the better video game adaptations out there. Top 2/3 so yah rightfully so it should be rated highly, doesnt change that S1 was better than 2

But I guess thats an opinion thing, but we do know s2 had a lot of content cut

[rancid jackal]

How to win with samurai jack

Just be better than your opponent and read them over 30 times within a set

[kind jolt]

The Powder Ekko stuff?

[normal fulcrum]

Same old story of rushed out the door when it wasn't 100% ready and it shows, they were also over budget but I am happy about that part. the animationw as awesome

[normal fulcrum]

I don't know what stuff specifically I just saw an interview where they talked about wanting to do more for the overall story.

[raven goblet]

They’re going to leave that early access thing there because they know some people will cave and buy them

[normal fulcrum]

That was also like shortly after s2 ended so maybe more info came out

[kind jolt]

If S1 never existed S2 would be seen as one of the greatest animated shows still imo. Comparison doesn't quite work because S2 is so reliant and doesn't have the character depth of S1 but still.

[raven goblet]

#Profit

[normal fulcrum]

I don't get your point. People already said the same thing about s1 when they didn't even know what s2 would be.

Both combined still lost to fallout in the game awards because that was a more true adaptation despite its own issues

Its just hard to live up to the hype after an s1 like that as well. Incredibly high bar

[kind jolt]

Im saying if they were detached seasons in a vacuum there would be very little criticism like if S1 is a 10 and S2 is 8 or 9 Its still extremely good.

Because when people say a show dropped off they think of like Game of Thrones

[normal fulcrum]

s2 Would still have the plot holes though, its not an alienated issue. When they made s1 they knew they had an s2 so they made what they wanted to and did the pacing accordingly. When you are doing a "last season" of anything you are bound to run into issues of crunching the story and putting together a decent enough ending while minimizing holes

It happened to tons of shows from Suits to Adventure Time. The music stopped and everyone took a seat and whatever was left standing was SOL

[kind jolt]

my hot take is that the sex scene is probably the worst scene in all of arcane

or maybe thats a cold take outside of twitter

[wraith geyser]

I don't know who Viktor is, sowwy pwp

[normal fulcrum]

I think the scene was fine but it did put some limitations on who I could watch the show with or recommend it to

I was watching it with friends and we all kinda expected it so it was whatever when it happened

[normal fulcrum]

Did you watch arcane? He was the sickly scientist guy friends with jayce

I would have traded the vi/cait jail scene and the alternate dimension for focus elsewhere

Also Arcane has really weird proportions for guys. The women look great but the dudes vary from too thin to oddly bulky, like Darius just looks weird and even trundle doesnt look as monstrous as he could be.

[kind jolt]

true

[lusty oasis]

Anyone to help me on three stars on rift?

[normal fulcrum]

#lfg-casual might give better results if no one offers to help

[frozen ferry]

Broken aaa character https://fxtwitter.com/arkhamsukuna/status/1876839029867483283?s=46&t=3Lipbk-vulOUW56Rx0YNyQ

[kind jolt]

I think thats kind of the nature of LoL but even Viktor has a weird fandom lol

[lusty oasis]

@normal fulcrum thanks

[frozen ferry]

Perish all nubia mains

[kind jolt]

like the portraits on LoL are no joke

[normal fulcrum]

Yah I get it but Viktor got even thinner, like to the point he looks sickly. The model he had before didn't age well but there was a way to maintain more normal proportions and size him up a bit than what they did. This goes way back though to the issue of Riot realizing some people were afraid their main would be reworked by riot and they become too different. Viktor ofc didn't go that far because it was just visual but the sentiment exists

[kind jolt]

Its just how the story progressed I guess

Jayce looks much better than he did in LoL

[normal fulcrum]

Its a different story entirely though, not much of a progression

[empty crow]

Hi

[normal fulcrum]

Jayce is kinda an odd situation. existed before the tencent acquisition and literally just made a generic "man of tomorrow" guy. Arcane was a more humanistic interpretation of what he is. A caricature. I do think his fall from grace did't have to be so intense though

League lore used to be such a surface level after thought that the fact they pieced anything coherent out of it is impressive

[kind jolt]

The funniest part of the whole show was S2 episode 7

panning between Jayce and Powder/Ekko

[rancid jackal]

Why is bugs bunny side rocket unblockable so now he justs get free stage pressure and a get out of jail card offstage

[strange fjord]

buff Jack

[mental crane]

Do you think multiversus will ever truly make a comeback from this

[rancid jackal]

Not at all

They have to make some extreme changes

Like sonic the hedgehog 1 movie extreme

[mental crane]

[limber onyx]

Just changing the visuals

True

[kind jolt]

totally possible if we're assuming the devs aren't braindead

but that assumption has not really made sense thus far

[rancid jackal]

I don’t know why you still give them the benefit of the doubt

[limber onyx]

He didn’t

[kind jolt]

^

[limber onyx]

In any case I think the game cannot ever reach the high point of player count again regardless of what they do

But it can probably make enough to continue

[placid eagle]

it’s really saddening

[normal fulcrum]

I think there is a curve where when it gets enough high profile characters and decent gameplay it can garner a bigger following

Ofc I think the current gameplay is decent other than problematic interactions that come out with every game sweeping change

[kind jolt]

highly improbably but a game like this could get 40k players

[placid eagle]

omg it could be so much more than decent… I want to love the game, but a game can’t just be potential

[kind jolt]

It would need to be as good as Ultimate

[normal fulcrum]

The ideal thing is when they finish gameplay changes that there is a general agremenet from the community the game is better because of it

After that hopefully it becomes character focus and refining what they built

[placid eagle]

exactly

[rancid jackal]

Shut the game down after season 5 rework the entire roster then rerelease the game with a years worth of content in it

[strange fjord]

multiversus 2

[placid eagle]

honestly man, I’m so tired of getting changes let out in such small batches that the option sounds tempting

[normal fulcrum]

I gotta see what is in the pipeline once the holiday time ends. I have confidence AJAX will bring great ideas but I just need to see that stuff rather fast. Like I think superman downtilt's trajectory change to fix his tech chasing is a bandaid fix to a larger issue and when that gets fixed I'd like to see it changed back

[placid eagle]

although, we all know the devs were pressured by wb to release the game even though it was unfinished. can’t be too mad

[rancid jackal]

That’s my suggestion instead of doing something like making game changing mechanics every other season

[placid eagle]

just highly dissatisfied

[rancid jackal]

The game is clearly unfinished to this day

[limber onyx]

Yeah it ain’t coming back if they shutdown again

Even getting a second chance was crazy

[rancid jackal]

The fact that shields came out in the middle of season 4 just shows that the devs and wb have no idea which direction they want to go

[limber onyx]

WB ain’t known for second chances

[placid eagle]

people like us I’m sure have plenty of well intentioned ideas for the team, but you know the mvs community… dead game this, “wow these servers are still up?”, not even giving the game chance. I can imagine it’s very hard to know what to take into consideration with having little opportunity to course correct

since live service, lower staffed teams got quotas to fill yknow

[placid eagle]

silent drop too

[mental crane]

I think this has really been whats slowly destroying multiversus. They keep remaking the game ship of Theseus to the point it barely resembles the game we started with.

[rancid jackal]

The game being live service really hurts it too, they can’t take their time w anything bc they know they have to get the next season ready in time

[mental crane]

I have no intention of playing a game they shoehorned in shields rn

And from what ive read a lot of people feel the gameplay is worse for having these clunky shields

[rancid jackal]

Shields are rushed ima just say it

[mental crane]

Shields deserve a whole system behind them and they added it like a small deal and it feels tacked on.

[placid eagle]

I’m not against shields. I think it strips part of the identity away from the game to add them. However, it does add complexity, but dude.. some of the interacts on shields are f*cked

[mental crane]

Parrying already was clunky but shields after parrying made it weird

[bold brook]

pretty much

[mental crane]

The game we started with felt like an intelligent and interesting 2v2 model. And now they barely care about 2v2. Gutted perks to the point nobody runs anything but the defaults. Muddied up the characters movesets with hogwash changes like not letting superman up throw and stripping stripe gun

[rancid jackal]

Shield breaker attacks are reused assets, they are not universally equal, shields aren’t instant, frame data on shields are wildly inconsistent, and the shield animation itself is just the spot dodge animation but frozen (cap I just check it’s different but still not very good looking on some chars)

[placid eagle]

THIS. THIS EXACTLY.

Wasted potential on perks

[mental crane]

Them removing basically all cc is also so silly. I doubt any of you have ever been frozen in the release

[placid eagle]

PLEASE put more care into the perks

[placid eagle]

Once. That’s it.

[rancid jackal]

I have frozen ppl a lot with ppg secret ingredient perk, although my playstyle on them is very niche

[placid eagle]

Ain’t that four neutral specials to freeze them?? 😭 bro

[gritty flax]

Did the matchmaking change? I've been paired up with a lot of bad matches lately

[placid eagle]

if it was it wasn’t communicated, I don’t think

I think it’s just the lack of players

[mental crane]

Pfg wanted to make a moba with the way they make movesets. Long cooldowns. Stacking debuffs. Projectiles are in just about everyones kit

[bold brook]

one more tier then I can take a break from the game until Season 5 if it's worth playing

[potent stone]

Idk, I just go in, start the match and I play against people who know how to play and who don't know how to play

[rancid jackal]

Yeah I had a set up to freeze them twice and then I’d just have to catch both their dodges in the air with it. I literally killed ppl by doing a freeze combo then switching to buttercup and finishing

[placid eagle]

respect 🫡

[little carbon]

Good lord the next two characters needs to be heavy hitters. Lola and Aquaman wont be hit.

[potent stone]

I always find players, maybe it depends on the region

[rancid jackal]

The last two characters were heavy hitters and the game is still dead

[placid eagle]

not as in queue times, but opponents who do play are usually more experienced

[potent stone]

Aquaman was announced since the launch trailer

[placid eagle]

to me they were personally not heavy hitters, but I know I’m in the minority

I like both of them, but I’m not in love

[bold brook]

Multiversus is still flawed despite the fanservice. they have to make the game good than just adding good characters

[placid eagle]

Give me mordecai and rigby, all I need 😭

[rancid jackal]

The issue with the game isn’t the characters

[strange fjord]

lola?

[potent stone]

It doesn't take me long to find players while others do, so I think it depends on the region

[strange fjord]

wait huh

[potent stone]

Idk honestly and I don't care at this point

[rancid jackal]

It’s the lack of content, recycled events, expensive cosmetics,gatekeeping rifts and events thru skins and characters, unbalanced gameplay, and extremely volatile game mechanic changes made each season

Not to mention the devs pretend to listen but in reality they just do their own thing

[placid eagle]

and inconsistency. people are still missing cosmetics from beta. where are guilds? what about promised prestige currency through events? what about them being inconsistent with elusive variants? what about them showing off balances that were never actually added to the game..? bs

[bold brook]

as I said Multiversus needs to be a better game, than just fan service

[placid eagle]

I’m just glad I’m not crazy. You guys understand.

[rancid jackal]

Horrible progression system for new players, gatekeeping f2p players w thousands of games to unlock the newest char. Terrible item shop that never changes, networking and performance issues, removing quality of life features like show hitboxes, not to mention HITBOXES

[placid eagle]

yup

[rancid jackal]

Shoehorning shields in the middle of a ranked season

Shoehorning autoteching in the middle of a ranked season

Autotech in general is just not good, it allows certain characters to just loop you over and over bc they only have to guess the direction you will roll instead of when you will roll

Top tiers remaining dominant season after season, bottom tiers remain bottom, horrible music, horrible stages especially in ranked

The list goes on

And just a lack of things to do in the game

[potent stone]

and could you do it? You make it sound very easy but could you do it? I'm not asking in a bad way, it's just a question, could you improve the game? And if so, if people don't like the result you left, what would you think? As I said, I don't care at this point about the future of the game, but honestly I just wanted to ask

[rancid jackal]

Idek if Jesus could save this game with the state it’s in let alone myself

[placid eagle]

Do you take us as people who aren’t in tune with the game? I think with the right calls, I absolutely think the community has good ideas.

maybe not save it

like futile said, don’t think Jesus can

[kind jolt]

Its okay ranks dont mean anything

just the skins

[rancid jackal]

If I were wb I would focus less on balancing and just on game content and having a better progression system to unlock characters and cosmetics

[placid eagle]

real

[potent stone]

But if those ideas of yours were taken and implemented and they still didn't like it, what would they think? So even though you had better ones than the others, it was of no use? Of course you have good ideas but people always have a "But" and they will never be satisfied and that is why I don't care about the state of the game currently so here I am playing Multiversus and Marvel Rivals, like I said it was just a question I was curious, I wasn't trying to bother anyone

[rancid jackal]

Giving ppl are reason to be invested into the game even if they’re not good at it

[placid eagle]

Not bothered at all. Thank you for taking the time to write it and ask the question

[rancid jackal]

This game does not cater to new players at all

[placid eagle]

side note, everyone I know in the mvs community plays marvel rivals. interesting

[placid eagle]

I can’t imagine trying to get someone invested in the game who wasn’t already

[rancid jackal]

One thing I would do is simply just make the entire roster free or make it extremely easy to unlock whatever chars you want

Bc nobody is playing thousands of games to unlock Marcy if they’re new

Get rid of perks and perk currency and implement a f2p currency that can be used to unlock cosmetics

[placid eagle]

remove perks??

[vagrant thunder]

What you say makes no sense bro.

[slim fern]

howdy, havent looked at the patch notes but batman feels unplayabe. anyone down to help me through diamond? i only play 2s and my random teammates play with their elbows, and for somereason i cant carry? love the game. need the raven skin but as of now it feels out of reach with my favorite character. i dont want to give up tho

[rancid jackal]

Yes honestly I would remove perks maybe not signature perks but at least the extra perks that literally everyone uses exactly the same

[vagrant thunder]

Just slide attack everyone, seems to have been working for other Batman players.

[rancid jackal]

Last stand was really a thing for 3 whole seasons

[placid eagle]

I’m not in a state to play right now, but am willing too tomorrow, if that’s alright

[supple panther]

All I see is people using the health perk everytime

[placid eagle]

people did not realize the volatility of that perk for so long

broken wings is so peak though. not broken, and is utility based, not inherently offense based

favorite perk

[vagrant thunder]

A lot of people took it off after it was nerfed.

[supple panther]

Right

[vagrant thunder]

Honestly, 30 Gray health was silly.

Idk why that was ever a thing lol.

[placid eagle]

Was it really thirty?? I thought it was 20

[slim fern]

i play batman for the combos, and well i love batman. pride myself on not spamming the same move lol ill be down tomorrow

[rancid jackal]

Perks are not necessary for a platform fighter if im being honest and they definitely contribute to the games unbalance since they vary drastically

[vagrant thunder]

It was 30 if 2 people had it. 15 for just one.

The nerf made it 20 if stacked.

[rancid jackal]

Perks are meant for like custom characters like mii fighters not full fledged roster characters

[placid eagle]

I disagree bro but I know you’re not bad faith, I understand the take

[placid eagle]

ohh thanks for clearing that up. man. just shows how much I play 2’s

[supple panther]

I like the game but I think it’s problem is that I don’t have anything to do…. Like I did the event and I completed the battlepass there isn’t any else to do after that Atleast for me until the new rift comes out

And I’m not doing ranked

[rancid jackal]

This ain’t a rpg or a shooter like call of duty do we really need perks

[vagrant thunder]

Free currency for free cosmetics isn't a good take. That only leaves the battle pass as the main reliable source of income.

They at least let you get a free skin every event.

[slim fern]

what happened to you android 19 whats got you so hot? do not bother it is futile?

[elfin basin]

anyone know marceline bnb combos?

[placid eagle]

nair

[rancid jackal]

Free currency adds a layer of progression to the game that keeps ppl playing. Events are just recycled gameplay loops that have you farming coins to use in an item shop

[elfin basin]

it doesn’t seem to follow much let me test it out some more

she plays too much like rick ngl

[rancid jackal]

There is literally 0 difference between events besides the skins that can be earned from them

[placid eagle]

it’s her best combo tool, hope this helps

[elfin basin]

it didn’t but thanks

[placid eagle]

neutral special in the air is also good

[supple panther]

The only thing I hate about the battlepass is the amount of filler rewards that are in it like badges and perk currency even though it’s worth the price still it just feels like it’s not worth buying sometimes

[vagrant thunder]

It also highly demotivates people from buying a skin with money, meaning a loss in profits. The skins never leave unless they are elusive so hardly anyone would worry about rushing to get it.

If you want free currency then they can add fomo to the game.

[supple panther]

If the only way of getting event skins was with money this game wouldn’t make it very far

[rancid jackal]

There would still be a reason to use money tho, it would be a faster method to getting the cosmetics you want obviously

[vagrant thunder]

I agree actually, there was a badge in the Battlepass that I already had and it was upsetting. Those should be unlocked when you obtain the respective character.

[placid eagle]

I thought I was going crazy.

[vagrant thunder]

Who would care about getting it faster when there is an unlimited time to farm for them? You wouldn't even need to buy the Battlepass since those skins also don't leave. You aren't making any sense my guy.

[finite dock]

@gritty flax gg was lagging like crazy

[gritty flax]

Right now I'm grinding and saving up gleamium for next seasons stuff

[rancid jackal]

That reasoning is what kept me playing overwatch 1 for years. I had unlimited time to get whatever skins I wanted while also getting rewarded every single time I leveled up with a loot box. I ended up getting hundreds of skins that way and I remained an active player for years while also spending money here and there

The goal shouldn’t be making money it should be retaining players and drawing new players in

[vagrant thunder]

And you spent how much money?

[limber onyx]

I never got skins for a first person game

[rancid jackal]

Without players you don’t make money regardless of your business practices

[limber onyx]

What’s even the point

[slim fern]

i bet you insta lock dps every game dont you

[vagrant thunder]

MVS has players.

[placid eagle]

lol

[vagrant thunder]

Hard agree. Can't even see my own skin. Only my opponents.

[slim fern]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-not-leaving-not-fucking-leaving-staying-gif-20904116

[limber onyx]

I also just kinda hate first person in general

[vagrant thunder]

I like fps, except cod.

Cod is rigged.

[ionic swan]

Naa the console numbers being higher than steam never mattered.

[placid eagle]

I like it in the finals, and tf2, and that’s really it

just feels natural there

[rancid jackal]

678 average players in the last 30 days on steam is pitiful

The fact that mvs has 20-30 dollar skins and you can’t even rotate your character models is insane

[vagrant thunder]

I hate talking to people that act like steam charts decide everything.

[slim fern]

this the guy to complain someone go support and but is also unwilling to go support like bro ive played like 10 games and your still complaining

[ionic swan]

Game probably averages 2,500-4,000 concurrent when it‘s slow. Not the worst. There are plenty of f2p that arent Mainstream that keep a dedicated Playerbase

[vagrant thunder]

Bros all think that console player counts exactly mirror the steam charts or are just below it.

[rancid jackal]

They don’t decide everything but the numbers show a steady decline in players

[vagrant thunder]

Yeah, they show a steady decline on STEAM. not the overall game in its entirety.

[rancid jackal]

What does that tell you if every month more and more ppl leave the game

[ionic swan]

Multiple friends of mine and me Talked about seeing player‘s playing on console a majority of the time so we‘ve come to the conclusion the game is way more popular on console. Meaning more players than steam.

[vagrant thunder]

Ugh.

[vagrant thunder]

That's exactly it. Steam charts hardly mean anything. They only speak for that specific platform.

[vale parrot]

True

[ionic swan]

There‘s also the Epic storefront, yes people play this game through epic also

[limber onyx]

Game hasn’t dipped that low in the last month, that ain’t the average

[vale parrot]

@whole badge come back

[rancid jackal]

Yes it is go check

[limber onyx]

I just did

[rancid jackal]

678 in the last 30 days 731 in December

[limber onyx]

?

[rancid jackal]

That’s a 43% drop from November which had 1.3k players on avg

[ionic swan]

My que times outside rank are super fast which also shows more people are either not playing the game competitively or the long que times are due to being in diamond+. Where a huge drop off happens because not too many are willing to grind.

[limber onyx]

I’m looking day by day the last month peak count doesn’t go below 700

[placid eagle]

Alright. I’m sensing the convo is starting to get a little heated. Futile, I understand your pov, but maybe a little unrealistic. I think it’s best if we just drop it

[ionic swan]

We have a dedicated playerbase, is it where some of yall wish it was? Not at all. But we have a playerbase, you should be happy atleast about that

[rancid jackal]

Just be happy w mediocrity they said

How dare you wish for improvements

[ionic swan]

Who said that? Oh you did

[limber onyx]

Peak player count is a stupid metric regardless, but it hasn’t dipped below 700 in the last 30 days

[ionic swan]

How dare I be ok with smaller niche games

Tragedy.

[placid eagle]

Guys. Can we drop this

[limber onyx]

I wish it told you the total unique player count for the day instead of peak concurrent

Much more useful metric

[ionic swan]

We can but all need to cease and the question is will they

[placid eagle]

well, civility is the key right

[rancid jackal]

I’m not tryna anger anyone I’m just giving my opinion

[placid eagle]

ANYWAYS. I’m hopeful season 5 will bring good changes. surely it will

[rancid jackal]

I would like to see more drastic changes with the game alongside better marketing

[ionic swan]

👍

[ionic swan]

Heck yea I can get behind this

[potent stone]

guys i got 10 gleamium in a row by leveling up the pass right now im at 86 in the bs 30 free gleamium 👍

[limber onyx]

Nice

[placid eagle]

bs 😭 I want that. good stuff bro

[rancid jackal]

It used to be 50 gleam per infinite tier but they arbitrarily lowered it

[potent stone]

I know

[placid eagle]

yeah but didn’t they increase the chances of getting gleamium?

[rancid jackal]

Now you earn gleamium 5x slower from infinite tiers

[potent stone]

Idk about that but I got gleamium three times in a row today

[rancid jackal]

Does that offset the time it takes to level up and the amount you get when you do get gleam

[placid eagle]

probably not

[rancid jackal]

I mean if it were something favorable like 70/30 odds to get 10 gleamium I think I would be fine w that

Otherwise I don’t see why they would make that change other than to just make it harder for us to get free gleam

[placid eagle]

the only thing I find to be hot garbage is 50 perk currency. I understand people have excess because of beta players, but bro.. it is NOT easy to get. 50??? A 20TH OF WHAT YOU NEED FOR A PERK? ridiculous

[slim fern]

today is the first time ive ever messaged in this disc because the only people who are vocal are the angry reddit neckbeards basement dwellers. most people enjoy the game in silence. most people dont use the discord. i dont think your wrong for wanting changes but throwing a temper tantrum is probably the least effective way to get your voice heard. i don't know a f2p game that gives out more free skins or such quality cosmetics. the addition of sheilds is evidence the devs listen to the playerbase. yall hate on batman so much the devs made him unplayable. yall need to be more optimistic and someone competent come help me grind through diamond.

just saw there is a match making tab. my b. i wish yall the best of luck

[rancid jackal]

Who’s throwing a tantrum bro are you ok?

[slim fern]

what is your user name?

[placid eagle]

Do you find me to be unreasonable? Genuine question, not being sarcastic. This is a space to voice ourselves, and I just so happen to have wanted to do that today. Hope you understand what I’m saying

I don’t mean to come off as a crybaby

[strange fjord]

buff pfg's balancing decisions

I want beginning of season 4 ppg back

not top 2 puff girls

[rancid jackal]

Ppg been top 2 for like majority of their existence

[elfin basin]

why do most of marceline move lunge her forward

[rancid jackal]

Only for like 1 month were they somewhat reasonable

[elfin basin]

a kick realistically isn’t doing that dafuq

[sleek coyote]

omg hi

[elfin basin]

hi

[potent stone]

I'll just tell you my friend, don't bother, if you like the game, keep enjoying it, but these types of comments won't be worth it here, believe me

[elfin basin]

this game pisses me off fr

[rancid jackal]

Brawlhalla is a better game than mvs

[limber onyx]

Lamer game

[kind jolt]

remember for a hot second people thought they were not even that good

[limber onyx]

Just can’t mesh with no unique movesets

[rancid jackal]

I just hopped on Brawlhalla the other day and you get like 5 bonus packs that have characters and skins in each of them just for being a ps plus subscriber

That’s how you draw somebody back into your ecosystem

[placid eagle]

now THAT is a bad take, I’m sorry. As a game it might be better but it’s SO UNFUN

I dont understand the appeal

[limber onyx]

Yeah I can’t do that game

I usually love sprite art but I just don’t even like the look

[raven goblet]

People who got in while it was popular and now they can’t give it up

[limber onyx]

Crossover characters look fine though

[placid eagle]

me with mvs

[rancid jackal]

Brawlhalla has better game modes, couch co-op, a larger roster, better balance, some of the best crossovers and collabs in gaming period, a better and faster progression system

[limber onyx]

A large roster of character with the same attacks

Just cannot enjoy that

[rancid jackal]

They don’t all have the same attacks tho

The only things that are universal are normal attacks

[potent stone]

which took years to do

[placid eagle]

^^^

[rancid jackal]

And there are enough weapons in the game that matchups are not stale

[woven bridge]

https://www.twitch.tv/sprayyyuntouchable

[placid eagle]

spray… I ain’t gonna narc you but self promo in general ain’t allowed

might wanna delete that

[potent stone]

The only thing that changes the animation are the specials of each weapon but literally the combos, the animations, it's all the same

[placid eagle]

me and my homies hate brawlhalla

[rancid jackal]

Ofc y’all hate Brawlhalla even tho it paved the way for mvs to even exist

[potent stone]

I go back to Brawlhalla from time to time for the new character and play for a while but then you realize it's the same

[rancid jackal]

Mvs literally ripped off Brawlhalla more than it did smash

[potent stone]

I never said i Hate Brawlhalla don't say words that don't come out of my mouth

[rancid jackal]

I didn’t mean to reply to you I meant to reply to gritty w that sentence

[potent stone]

Ok

[placid eagle]

can a man not have an opinion

[rancid jackal]

The airwalker perk is literally a mechanic ripped straight from Brawlhalla they invented it

[placid eagle]

I don’t like airwalker

it’s unhealthy for the game

[rancid jackal]

It’s better done in Brawlhalla for one it’s not tied to a perk it’s a universal mechanic and it allows for more skill expression

[placid eagle]

exactly

mvs is not brawlhalla. the more this game goes on, the more it’s losing its identity

[mild hawk]

too bad it’s hideous. horrendous looking

[rancid jackal]

Honestly for an 11 year old game it has better visuals and definitely has better music

Especially w the stage backgrounds, some of them are truly incredible

[placid eagle]

did I anger you futile?

[limber onyx]

Wasn’t it like, they all have set of weapons and all the weapons shared movesets

[rancid jackal]

We literally got Ben 10 and Ben 10 stages in Brawlhalla b4 mvs

[placid eagle]

yep

[river meteor]

How is airwalker unhealthy? How would you heal it?

[rancid jackal]

Only shared normals

[limber onyx]

Before it mvs was even a concept

[limber onyx]

That’s enough for me to lose interest

[rancid jackal]

What’s the issue w that tho

[limber onyx]

I don’t find that interesting

[rancid jackal]

You say that like there’s no skill expression in the game

[limber onyx]

No I say that like personally don’t like it

[rancid jackal]

There’s tons of skill expression arguably more than mvs

[potent stone]

What if we leave it to everyone with their opinion? This thing about comparing games always seemed stupid to me, I literally have both games downloaded here on my console and I practically don't care which one is better or which one is worse

[limber onyx]

I don’t use buzz phrases like skill expression

[placid eagle]

I’m unsure, but it’s created unhealthy strategies for the game. I love the concept, but the execution isn’t great. I’m open minded

[limber onyx]

I just don’t like that design decision personally

It’s not for me

[bold brook]

there's no way to make me like Brawlhalla I tried too many times and the game just doesn't stick

[rancid jackal]

Ironic since the words “buzz words and phrass” are used so much they became buzz words themselves

[limber onyx]

Yeah that ain’t the comeback you think it is

[rancid jackal]

I mean I can call anything you say a buzzword doesn’t mean I’m right

[river meteor]

I used to play Brawllhalla but then Flash Party & Multiversus released

[limber onyx]

Yeah, I don’t have to be right

[potent stone]

Apparently not, anyone? 🍿

[limber onyx]

This isn’t some judged argument, literally just talking

I don’t like the phrase skill expression

[river meteor]

Brawllhalla characters are too cookie cutter compared to MVS

[rancid jackal]

Lol why does everything think ppl that disagree are in an all out argument

[limber onyx]

It’s the way you disagree

[rancid jackal]

It’s a real thing tho

[bold brook]

Brawlhalla isn't a bad game, far from it but the game feels boring to me

[river meteor]

That's what I mean cookie cutter

[rancid jackal]

How tho, I’m usually very respectful I never call anyone out of their names or outright say theyre wrong without hearing them out

[limber onyx]

I dunno, just feels aggressive

[rancid jackal]

Geez when did ppl forget than ppl can respectfully disagree w eachother

[placid eagle]

I agree, but also, it’s not a problem to be more invested. you are definitely the happiest, I’ll tell you that, but I can also tell that you probably aren’t as invested into those games. I respect your take

[limber onyx]

There you go

Perfect example

[potent stone]

This is the problem when writing in the chat, you don't know if they are in defensive mode or in aggressive mode

[placid eagle]

He doesn’t give the person he’s talking to any credit, that’s why, purely a response to boost their pov, even if it is completely valid.

[limber onyx]

Instead of saying something like oh well I’m not meaning to be aggressive or that’s just me assuming things, instead you make some weird generalizing statement about society?

[rancid jackal]

That’s literally you judging me

[limber onyx]

But you’re pretty chill overall, just don’t like some of the stuff you say

[limber onyx]

Well, yeah, what else would it be

[rancid jackal]

When did emotions get involved I thought we were talking about video games

[limber onyx]

That’s just embarrassing

Emotions are always involved in everything

That’s just how it works

[potent stone]

Any fighting game or platform fight catches my attention, I also play Marvel Rivals because I am a Marvel fan and I am happy that a Marvel game is finally a success without having Spider-Man's entire face on the cover (nothing against spider-man) and the trick is, if you like the game, enjoy it and that's it (in my case of course) 🍿 ñom ñom

[placid eagle]

Toledo’s right

[slim fern]

@rancid jackal hows life outside multiversus?

[strange fjord]

Reed Richards

[placid eagle]

I like your attitude

[sleek coyote]

GYATT

[strange fjord]

I can't wait to play-

[limber onyx]

The immunity to emotion people claim online is peak internet troll mentality

[slim fern]

wish yall the best

[strange fjord]

fym gyat 😭

[rancid jackal]

Except you’re going out your way to talk about my character over a disagreement of mvs, and I’m the aggressive one lol

[limber onyx]

Even if you’re calmly discussing games it’s still emotional

[strange fjord]

man I swear you remind me so much of this girl I knew @sleek coyote

[sleek coyote]

ykw im sayin 😈

[limber onyx]

Being calm is an emotional state

[potent stone]

Hurt me a lot when someone said "Yooo the elastic man from DC" I was like 😐

[strange fjord]

I swear you could be her sister or sumn

[sleek coyote]

you comparing me to other women 💔💔💔

[bold brook]

I know this is a wrong time to say this but I know your profile picture is a DBZ character, I always see Pete from Mickey Mouse every time

[limber onyx]

Yes, you get it

[strange fjord]

I'm not a villain

[placid eagle]

it’s a cruel world we live in

[strange fjord]

don't play into it 😭

[rancid jackal]

There isn’t a better time to bring that up lol

[sleek coyote]

facts 😔

[placid eagle]

I’m sorry bro but you’re cooked

[limber onyx]

But anyway, I’m not claiming a lack of aggressiveness or anything

[strange fjord]

elastic man from dc is wild, that's Reed, mr fantastic 😭 smartest man in the universe

[limber onyx]

I don’t really care if I’m perceived that way

[strange fjord]

https://tenor.com/view/mauricio-peoples-elbow-the-rock-cio-mau-gif-27377282

[potent stone]

Do not bother, for him it is futile

[night perch]

^^^

[limber onyx]

We can both perceive each other as aggressive it’s no huge deal

[rancid jackal]

That’s good bc in reality you weren’t being perceived as anything other than a debate partner lol

[placid eagle]

that’s a sad way to look at things

[limber onyx]

Well, I’m not trying to debate anybody don’t really like that that’s the online go to

Just saying what I didn’t like about brawlhalla

[rancid jackal]

In what way

[limber onyx]

Well, I am trying to be annoying

But I don’t want to be seen as a debate partner, gross

[potent stone]

I give permission to someone to punch me in the face because I only now realize that that profile photo of that cat is Zoro

[night perch]

Bro these Morty's need to go outside
if I hear anyone say the word fire IRL my Winter Soldier sleeper agent words will just have me activate

[bold brook]

to be fair Brawlhalla is already a mixed game due to it's different from most plat fighters including Multiversus

[limber onyx]

Find the nearest cat

[night perch]

Brawlhalla is terrible and toxic

[rancid jackal]

Brawlhalla definitely is a better game to me than mvs, that’s just my opinion tho we can leave it at that if you want

[limber onyx]

Debate mindset is kinda what’s wrong with the internet in mind

Yeah that’s fine I just didn’t mesh with it

[night perch]

And then you're swallowing knuckles by a sweat who air juggles you

[bold brook]

not even going to argue because you like something that I'm not a fan of.

can't force my opinion on you 🤷

[limber onyx]

Anybody ever play brawlout?

[rancid jackal]

Hold up didnt you just judge me for me making a statement about society

Hypocritical doesn’t it seem

[limber onyx]

I reserve the right to be hypocritical

Everyone does

[potent stone]

🍿 ñam ñam

[limber onyx]

Anyway brawlout was actually bad but kinda fun

The true kusoge plat fighter

[rancid jackal]

I remember brawlout

That game is clunky and trash asf

[placid eagle]

did you get any soda? I don’t have anymore money on my card

[bold brook]

I only know Brawlout due to Yooka Laylee being a fighter

[limber onyx]

Yeah it’s super terrible but fun in that bad game way

[potent stone]

🥤

[rancid jackal]

Hold up dead cells was in brawlout that’s crazy I never knew that

[placid eagle]

thanks bro. oh man water??

[limber onyx]

Yeah that was cool

And the hyper light drifter guy too

[bold brook]

the ironic part of Yooka & Laylee being in Brawlout is they're a successor of Banjo-Kazzoie in a plat fighter before Banjo & Kazzoie themselves joined Smash

[potent stone]

soda will hurt you, water is better

[placid eagle]

you right

[slim fern]

multiversus is better than brawlhalla

both fire

[rancid jackal]

Buy water and your favorite artificial sweetener your teeth and your health will thank you later

[rancid jackal]

Why do you think so

[limber onyx]

Gross just drink the water plain

Plain water the goat

[potent stone]

The guy from guacamelee isn't there too?

[rancid jackal]

Soda addicts just can’t go cold turkey like that

Speaking from the experience of an ex soda addict

[limber onyx]

Ah, I just drink soda in moderation

[placid eagle]

I can drink water just fine, I just love soda. I drink water more than anything else

[limber onyx]

Mostly water, I have a soda a few days week

[placid eagle]

more often than not out of my water softener

[limber onyx]

I do be craving it though

[rancid jackal]

I haven’t drank a soda in probably 8 months

Only water and juice

[placid eagle]

lowkey pomegranate drinks are so goated

[limber onyx]

I had some hot chocolate recently, always good

[rancid jackal]

When I seen how Coca Cola can be used to unclog pipes that made me change my ways

[placid eagle]

yeah…. yeah

[limber onyx]

Wait until you see water can do to you

[uncut crag]

I’ve never liked soda

[rancid jackal]

It’s amazing the punishment the human body can go thru

[placid eagle]

Dr Pepper is my lord and savior

[rancid jackal]

My fav soda was/is def Dr Pepper

Calorie wise it’s the absolute worst soda for your health tho

[slim fern]

water ss teir

[rancid jackal]

Dr Pepper is a genuis ngl a Dr that sells you soda so your health deteriorates and you have to go see him

Start a problem sell the solution

[uncut crag]

Toilet companies sell
You drinks so you use toilets

[rancid jackal]

Using the toilet doesn’t make toilet companies money tho

And 99% of ppl ain’t buying toilets let’s be real

Unless it’s Skibidi

[limber onyx]

Toilets come with the house, no need but them

[gusty owl]

unless the ones in the house are bad. I need to get new ones at some point, the ones the house came with are for midgets, I swear

[rancid jackal]

Kim jong un doesn’t buy toilets apparently he’s such a perfect being he doesn’t need to use the bathroom he just absorbs all the nutrients and waste

[gusty owl]

I mean, he probably doesn't buy anything, just orders it be given to him

being a dictator does come with benefits

[slim fern]

brawl is fire, brawlout also fire. nickelodeon platform fighter was aight until i bought the premium game and it didnt give me the dlc characters. but mvs has the strongest lineup. brawlhalla has fire crossovers but you dont need crossovers when the roster is elite like mvs. at first i thought mvs is too slow but ive grown to like the pacing for a the co op aspect. brawl was all about looking for opportunities to use your pre practiced 30 hit combos. i feel like the slower pace makes it more reaction based and my combos have alot more variety because the knockback is less predictable. unless your fin then just spam ur 0todeath combo or bag every 2 sec

have yall ever thought about there has to be a perfect amount of food to eat so you only get exactly the calories use from food?

[rancid jackal]

That number would always change due to your metabolism and activity levels

[slim fern]

im no doctor. but waste has to be a product of some biological cycles. i dont think it actually exists but in theory you could just adjust your food intake to match the fluctuations in your energy output

[rancid jackal]

Hmm interesting

[solemn swan]

Brawlstars is the best

[rancid jackal]

There will never be a better platform fighter than ssf2

They got goku

[slim fern]

dont worry im about my gains ive never been at risk of going catabolic. but even when im cutting weight and im burning more than im intaking i still poop ya know

last message was flagged because i called the poop s***

[bold brook]

Smash Flash 2 would be more peak if they had Mr. Incredible back as a playable character from SSF1

[slim fern]

smash melee on the gamecube was peak platform fighter ss teir no arguments needed

[rancid jackal]

I mean everyone has to poop even if you consume exactly as much calories you burn, your body is simply incapable of not producing waste

Matter can’t be created nor destroyed only transfered

Unless your Chuck Norris then the rules simply don’t apply to you

[bold brook]

who would win in a fight?

Batman or Chuck Norris?

[rancid jackal]

Is that even a question

When Chuck Norris gets pulled over he lets the police officer off with a warning

[slim fern]

in the current meta batman cant even knock out a mage over 120 when they are caught lackin in mid map #buffbatman

speaking of converservation of matter. did you know when your burning body fat most of it is exhaled over time rather than dumped out the rear

[indigo solstice]

Dude, I can't play online 😭

[rancid jackal]

That makes sense most biological process require energy, most especially your brain

Even while sleeping

[worn ferry]

Chaos..... SWISS ROLL!!!

[rancid jackal]

I just love latinas

[worn ferry]

OK Edgehog

[rancid jackal]

That Sonic short is such a deep cut in my memory yo that’s wild how you just unlocked that for me by saying that

[slim fern]

have you ever heard of quantum foam? its what causes the hawking radiation that dissapates black holes. basically on the smallest of scales matter and antimatter particles come into existence and react with each other in a perfect 1:1 ratio so the net matter in the universe remains the same

[worn ferry]

😊

[rancid jackal]

What was it called where that came from, I’m pretty sure it was a collection of sonic animations on newgrounds

[worn ferry]

Idunno I haven't watched Sonic Shorts in forever but you could Google the phrase and probably find it instantly

[rancid jackal]

Oh it was literally called sonic shorts

Lmao

[worn ferry]

Speaking of Sonic Shorts. I'm hyped for Fortnite next week. I can't see the end of the horizon.... HATSUNE MIKU!?

[rancid jackal]

Fortnite staying being peak

Unlike mvs which has its clear ups and downs

Lemme stop with the mvs hate

The game has already suffered enough with its terrible developers and parent company

[worn ferry]

MV is always on the precedent for cooking but always seems to stop before they deliver. Like take the Christmas Tree banner. It looks great yeah but literally where is the star on top? What kind of Christmas tree doesn't have a star? It's the feeling of half baked that alway follows this game's elements.

[thorny vale]

Facts

I hope the next character isnt true

[rancid jackal]

That perfectly describes the state of this game

Idc what the next char is

[west sky]

MVS is like a christmas tree but without the star. Or the lights. And the leaves.
You can have fun with the bark though

[rancid jackal]

As long as we get Ben 10 within the next 3 seasons

[west sky]

Not happening

[rancid jackal]

I can’t go another year without Ben 10

[worn ferry]

Ben 10 probably pretty hard to add in

[rancid jackal]

Is he though?

It depends on how they design him

I don’t see them going the install transformation route that’s too complicated he has too many aliens

[west sky]

Yeah pfg already said they want to add him but they don't think they're capable of producing him how they imagine him in the game

[coral quarry]

I feel like Ben 10 is a lock.

[worn ferry]

I mean yeah? He needs to be able to turn into 10 different aliens or ppl will call the game bad/mid again. They hyped raven up so hard and her playstyle is generic af

[coral quarry]

His moves transform him into various forms for the move, like Marciline's vamp changes. Not permanent changes.

[rancid jackal]

Yeah the aliens don’t have to be install transformations that’s doing too much for a platform fighting game

[west sky]

We have iron giant rage mode I assume they want to at least somewhat take that approach

[rancid jackal]

Just temporarily transform him during each of his moves

If he gets an install transformation it will only be one alien

[worn ferry]

Nah they def shouldn't do that. They need to cook w Ben like ACTUALLY COOK so here's how they should do it. It's pokemon trainer style but he can't switch out until he dies afterwards he gets to briefly choose his next alien

[west sky]

If the transformations were just animations on regular moves they wouldnt speak so highly of it, they have done it with marcy pretty early

[rancid jackal]

I mean what difference does it make as long as his most popular aliens are represented

[worn ferry]

They'd need to design movesets for 10 different aliens but ppl actually want that so

[ivory ridge]

Hint at what it is for me
pleaase

[west sky]

That would be too different from the game, i imagine his transformations as base Ben on normals then a sig perk that determines his transformations on specials

[raven goblet]

Can’t discuss leaks so he cannot

[ivory ridge]

Okay fed

[worn ferry]

Eff the police

[rancid jackal]

I feel almost certain that Ben will not be having 10 different moveset on one character

[west sky]

PPG could work similar, downB to change the main girl/alien

[ivory ridge]

Coming straight from the underground

[slim fern]

have we given up on walter white?

[worn ferry]

Yeah. It'd feel clunky and bad if he's just randomly transforming all the time

[west sky]

Not a single soul over the age of 13 was legit wishing for that

[raven goblet]

Facts lol

[rancid jackal]

Wym I was

[slim fern]

ah so all the walter white hype was from 12 and under

[rancid jackal]

I want Gustavo fring too

[worn ferry]

At the same time putting the aliens on a timelimit also feels bad so I think the best course is 1 alien per stock

[rancid jackal]

We need gus and he needs to have fried chicken attacks

And the chicken debuff on all his moves

[raven goblet]

Ben’s moves will likely be different aliens but not different movesets

[west sky]

Would be funny. Seriously he would never be added, who would genuinely hope and expect him in at some point

[rancid jackal]

Walter white is a better pick than Nubia let’s be fr

[worn ferry]

No they need to be different movesets. PFG can't make Ben lame or it's game over

[raven goblet]

10 different movesets is too much

[rancid jackal]

Having multiple different move sets on 1 char will be a balancing nightmare

[raven goblet]

Literally

[rancid jackal]

At that point just make them different chars

[worn ferry]

Do you want ppl to come to thus game in droves or not. Like I said. They gotta cook w Ben or else

[raven goblet]

Exactly but then that would be too many Ben 10 aliens

[raven goblet]

People aren’t going to stay and play for 1 person you’re a fool if you think they will these kids just want to be Ben and run around and then switch to Roblox

[rancid jackal]

If Ben could have a rage mode I would give him alien x

[raven goblet]

Too op Flameguy or Diamondhead

Ben likely will only have the original 10

[west sky]

Definitely. My point is he is not a WB IP and is a drug dealer, 2 solid reasons that would lead to one not seriously expect his addition

[rancid jackal]

Neither is Jason and he made it in still

[slim fern]

nubia imo was a ready charecter preset from before the game was released. like i think they originally pitched the idea to disney and had the hulk as a preset named bruiser. i was the biggest hater on nubia on release but hindsight im just happy we got another character rather than just waiting or them releasing a broken and unfinished fighter. i love dc and ive only seen nubia once in final crisis and i was still like huh who tf is that. like i said tho it wasnt the worst decision to add her

[grave umbra]

Heisenberg variant

[rancid jackal]

And pfg said that they were open to adding 3rd party chars

[west sky]

Jason is a WB IP, and he is not a drug dealer

[west sky]

Thankfully. Not a drug dealer tho
Also not so soon I assume

[raven goblet]

Walter White is not WB btw

[fallen coyote]

Heyo all, quick question
When does that new event start? I haven't been able to play at all today

[west sky]

Yea, Sony

[raven goblet]

Next week

[grave umbra]

True, but he is a serial killer

[fallen coyote]

Gracias

[raven goblet]

👆

[raven goblet]

This is a funny sentence lol

[rancid jackal]

1. He’s owned by new line cinema
2. He’s arguably worse than Walter white

[slim fern]

i think ben10 can be done if his individual moves transformed him into the alien varients sort of how marceline turns into a bat for some of her sigs. they can have gold perks for some of the more op aliens so you can have all 10 or whatever and it could add different playstyles

[grave umbra]

Gus fring announcer pack

[raven goblet]

Well Walter murdered AND did drugs

Jason only killed because his mom told him to……
Jason is a good boy

[raven goblet]

Yes

[slim fern]

walter white is a great addition. yea his proffesion isnt pg but just give him a villian tag and were great

[west sky]

And what company owns new line cinema?

[grave umbra]

"Say my name"

[rancid jackal]

I could see that being the case since Tara strong is easily available as the va but I prefer omni verse ben as the version that should be represented

[west sky]

And in no universe jason is a worse pick than walter lol
Again, funny pick. But it's Jason

This is subjective though, i wont argue abt that

[raven goblet]

👀

[west sky]

To save u 20s of research new line is owned by wb still

[grave umbra]

Waltuh, I'm in multiversus waltuh

[rancid jackal]

I’m saying he’s worse morally not as a char pick

[raven goblet]

They’ll go for the kid version every time

[rancid jackal]

Ok you got me I see now

Imo I just don’t find Ben’s og 10 aliens to be that interesting

I’d rather him have a larger selection of aliens to choose from

Also I’d rather him have a similar hurtbox to shaggy rather than be a short character

[west sky]

He's centered around adult themes just like Walter and arguably a serial killer is worse than what he's done but the main issue is drugs
If killing and adult themes was a problem we wouldnt have arya, rick, morty, probably black adam, joker (?)

[slim fern]

i think the player base is alot older than what you think it is. i think most people would be happy with any hannah barbara fighters(dexters lab, johny bravo,ect...) ,dcau (teen titans, justice leauge/JLunlimited, STATIC SHOCK please or terrry mcgennis batman beyond) and ofc meme charecters like Walter white. i also think that godzilla and kong could be added as maps or map effects just due to their size. dont get me wrong id love to play as them but IGs is the most hated

[neon owl]

Adding shielding to Multiversus made me less interested in playing, and more intrigued to play smash.

[worn ferry]

Yeah you really don't get how special interests work at all huh. On top of that Ben 10 was CN's most successful series. There are quite literally hundreds of ppl who special interest the series and will play specifically for him

The only reason I even bothered getting this game was for taz lmao

[rancid jackal]

Then by your own statements then Walter white isn’t too extreme for mvs then

[slim fern]

smash netcode is unplayable and mvs is cross play. smash is a great couch co op but i dont see that being better

[worn ferry]

Smash's biggest problem is the camping. You can even camp in 2s and it's usually encouraged

The moment a fighter makes camping a viable strat I say eff it and find a different fighter like I don't need smash lol I'll go to tekken and SF6

Shields in MV made camping worse

[west sky]

Tbh I'm js gonna say we don't disagree, he would be a funny addition
I'm js speaking from a corporate standpoint, how a drug dealer would be a bad look for a game marketed to children and noone should've seriously expected him to get added
At least any time soon

[rancid jackal]

That begs the question is mvs actually a kids game

[slim fern]

jason killed more people in 2 films then walter if you watch breaking bad 10x. black adam commited genicide, agent smith takes peoples idendities and erases them if it benifits the matrix, joker is the personification of anarchy and i cant even list the things hes done. and steven universe.....its a crime to look like that bruh put yo belly button away lol i dont think thats ethics is an issue for walter white

[worn ferry]

We're not adding drug dealers to mv. Breaking Bad fandom so unhinged

[rancid jackal]

Joker has killed 100,000s if not millions throughout all of his appearances

[west sky]

Wb is like Disney, they appealed to millenial children, they can keep appealing to children but the main consumers are still young adults
I would go crazy over static shock, and any one these additions would bring more players than, Nubia

[worn ferry]

Can teenagers imitate that? No. Can teenagers imitate doing meth? Yes. Use your brain

[slim fern]

id drop a hunnit on gleamium for static shock as a thank you lmao a band for walter white

[rancid jackal]

So we got genocidal maniacs, serial killers, and alcoholic narcissistic nihilists but we draw the line at drug dealers, ok xD

[slim fern]

bend the corner i might swerve OOOOooooOOOO

[worn ferry]

Alcohol is legal. Drugs are not.

[slim fern]

ah but murder is legal

[rancid jackal]

Lol

[west sky]

I mean it's rated as T and I'm pret sure if your account is lower than 18yo you can't play online so at the same time I wouldn't say they're for kids, it's still WB IPs in a cartoonish game with no blood or explicit violence
At best Jason stabbing people with nairB or crushing their bones with sleeping bag (at the top of my hea

[worn ferry]

Teenagers aren't gonna imitate murder from a fighting game stop being obtuse

[slim fern]

just give walter white a "super"villian tag and were good lmao

[worn ferry]

The point is breaking bad glorifies drugs which a company who is selling products to teenagers isn't gonna want to represent them obviously

[rancid jackal]

Walt is just a villain nothing super about him

[west sky]

Monsters that commit genocide: villain
Meth grandpa: SUPER villain

[rancid jackal]

Adding Walter white= selling drugs to kids

Makes sense

[worn ferry]

Yup exactly

[rancid jackal]

Joker killed millions but he’s still in

[slim fern]

have you seen breaking bad? walter wasnt having a blast? and super taz im making jokes im being light hearted "why so serius" and i cant believe that you just hit us with a "video games causes violence's" argument i feel like thats like a slippery slope or straw man logical falicy. actually i think its just proven false

[rancid jackal]

Walter white is a complex character he had a reason for doing everything

[slim fern]

chaotic neutral at worst

[rancid jackal]

Does that justify his actions no, but they are more understandable than other characters that are currently present in mvs

[worn ferry]

Breaking Bad is for adults. It doesn't have a place in a videogame for teenagers. You guys are just being dumb

[west sky]

Also if we're separating the character's actions from the fighter, what would his kit even be? Throwing pizzas at ceilings?
Chemistry stuff would be the obvious choice but unlike drugs, joker doesnt have a "mass genocide" move. He throws fart bombs and cards

[rancid jackal]

By that logic Arya shouldn’t be in either she’s literally an assassin

[west sky]

Im not gonna argue she shouldve never been added I hate her as a fighter and addition

[worn ferry]

Is game of thrones rated TV MA?

[rancid jackal]

Up tilt should be a pizza attack, charge neutral should be a duffel bag filled with money attack, down tilt should be him spilling some chemicals, he also could have a gun in his moveset, wheelchair bomb special attack, ricin poison move, he has enough to work with

[west sky]

Why stop at wheelchair, put hector exploding as a move

[slim fern]

arya belongs and so does walter white. i dont think we need to put limitations on the game because they come from adult shows. i think you could add anybody and the games rating would only be effected by the actions in the game. ive never heard anyone sat i want to watch 12 seasons of game of thrones and house of dragons because they saw arya stark in multiversus

[rancid jackal]

GoT is definitely an adult show that has nudity, drugs, sex, and violence

[worn ferry]

Then yeah she shouldn't have been added in

And she sucks anyways. Delete arya

[west sky]

Based

[slim fern]

id love for them to be like 200 plus characters from all different wb ips. id love this game to be a big melting pot that has a little something for everyone. i think that catering to working adults would probably benefit the game more than catering to tik tok brained fortniters

[west sky]

First look at the roster in beta my reaction was "who tf is she". And I play Reindog, that should tell.

[rancid jackal]

I mean I ain’t gonna disagree w you on that she definitely can expunged from this game lol

GoT even has incest in it yet it’s still apart of mvs

[west sky]

Next season the fighter list will be scrollable so we're getting close
Unless we ignore irrelevant ones

[worn ferry]

Adults don't care about cartoons in fighters

[west sky]

My biggest dream is playing mvs for 1 hour and not seeing the same 3 fighters 70% of games

[raven goblet]

Just because that was true for you doesn’t mean it’s true for everyone….

Most of the “fans” have short attention spans and don’t play this game more than 4 hours and even then they will not stay for a fan favorite because every new person says the same thing and yet here we are

Now expecting them to put 10 times as much attention and development into a single character is a bad idea and future updates would require 10 times as much attention as well

[rancid jackal]

Going back to my original point is that Walter white isn’t too inappropriate for mvs

[worn ferry]

Make him the face of MV instead of Shaggy who literally no one wanted. Problem solved.

[rancid jackal]

If he doesn’t happen it’s not because it’s an adult show it’s bc they can’t get the rights

[slim fern]

adult were once kids super taz. am i chatting with a bunch of 10 year olds? i doubt it i bet most of the player base are fans of the classic cartoons. super taz i feel like youre too focused on this being a kids game.

[raven goblet]

Shaggy isn’t the face nor the mascot

Get your takes together lol

[worn ferry]

You sure about that?

[slim fern]

also are gonna ignore the crimes of rich sanchez? thats definatly not a kids show and rick and morty are two of my favorite additions

[west sky]

He was for a while and I feel like he still is. Maybe it's DC as a whole now.
Who do you think is?

[rancid jackal]

Shaggy is definitely the mario of mvs

[raven goblet]

Reindog is the mascot and Bugs is the face
Batman and Velma are the next mascots and faces

[raven goblet]

He was never lmao

[worn ferry]

Bro is coping so hard to win an internet argument

[raven goblet]

DC has its own brand and Batman and the Trinity is the mascot for DC

[rancid jackal]

Him being the base character that everyone has def hints to him being the mascot

[raven goblet]

Google it then lol

Bugs Bunny has been WB mascot forever

[slim fern]

still shaggy but reindog would be a good franchise nuetral face and hes specific to just this game. even tho ngl i was pissed we got an original fighter rather than one from a franchise i love but you got to realize its not all about you

[raven goblet]

And for this game Reindog is PFG mascot

[worn ferry]

Anyways how do yall feel about Ben10 being the face of MV?

[hard maple]

guys how on earth do I play marcy what do I even do with her half of her attacks don't even combo into eachother

[raven goblet]

Scooby has had more screen time than shaggy as mascot lol
Even Velma had more …. To say shaggy is pure copium

That literally made me laugh lmao

[worn ferry]

Dodge a lot, peek n poke. Basically be as annoying and passive as possible

[raven goblet]

Horrible idea

[west sky]

I mean the game's popularity sky rocketed due to "haha reddit meme in a indie game" then they milked the idea til dry

[raven goblet]

That’s marketing 101

Don’t hate the grind

[rancid jackal]

They didn’t milk ultra instinct shaggy enough he didn’t even get a meme accurate skin

[hard maple]

doesn't she have loops and 0tds or?

[worn ferry]

Thundercats Roar> OG Thundercats

[slim fern]

we need more hannah barbara fighters idk why were salty we might get lola rabbit. yea id prefer daffy, foghorn leghorn, or elmer fudd w a double barrel with a reload mechanic, but its still a great additon.

[raven goblet]

His regular skin is the meme

[west sky]

Ik, I'm saying how that could be seen as shaggy being the face of the alpha/beta, not anything else

[rancid jackal]

Lola rabbit def could be a variant

[worn ferry]

Idunno I just know that's how ppl play her

[rancid jackal]

Lola rabbit before daffy and foghorn is crazy

[slim fern]

@worn ferry how would you feel about pepe le pew joining. hes from a kids show but hes a horn knee boi

[raven goblet]

People didn’t like that one but if you did that’s a first time I’m hearing it I don’t have an opinion

[raven goblet]

Nah he’s trolling and coping you don’t need to justify it

[worn ferry]

I despise that skunk

[west sky]

Nair loops
Jab stance1,2 dodge jab stance1,2 infinite

[worn ferry]

That ninja makes me break out in hives

[raven goblet]

Matthew Lillard made shaggy popular and his version is the definitive version everyone thinks of

[slim fern]

i like in smash how marth and roy have basically the same move set but one is slower and stronger and the other is lighter and faster. they have tons of those duos mario and luigi, roy and marth, link and young link, gannandorf and captain falcon, its not a bad idea to add alot of charecters with minimal work

[raven goblet]

Clones were hated and still are

In this game if they’re going to do clones just make them skins

As Smash did and then lost their mind

[rancid jackal]

He didn’t make shaggy popular, shaggy was already an icon for 50 years prior to Matthew lilliard. But still his portrayal is definitely stamped in meme culture

[raven goblet]

Nubia and WW is a good example of how MVS should treat clones

[hard maple]

is 1 2 just the normal two strums or is it specific ones

[slim fern]

i dont think thats so universal i stopped playing smash a while ago but its nice to have something new and still somewhat familiar. i think they should cost less than a new or unique charecter but im not opposed to clones if pfg needs more time to cook up some fire rather than getting another nubia

[west sky]

Idk. I dont mind clones and feel like it's a good addition for the game's longevity, as long as it's not half roster half clones

[hard maple]

Nubia is more of an echo of BG rather than WW, no?

[west sky]

Just the normal two strums then you cancel final hit with dodge
You can do the third strum though

[raven goblet]

He wasn’t Scooby and the Mystery Gang as a whole were popular it wasn’t until Matthew that shaggy as a solo character became popular

[slim fern]

agreed spear build

[hard maple]

there's no way it's that easy

like just strum strum dodge forward loop?

[west sky]

I hit it consistently after 2 fails

[raven goblet]

Well canonically Nubia is just a WW copy but they likely used BG as inspiration so pseudo clone

[west sky]

Jab strum strum dodge jab strum strum dodge jab strum strum dodge

[raven goblet]

Exactly
looks at smash

[slim fern]

super taz super woke hating on walter white and pepe le pue how can i be like you i just dont have enough hate in my heart brother

[west sky]

Ye

[raven goblet]

He is likely trolling he does it a lot

[rancid jackal]

How can you hate Walter white

[hard maple]

there is no way it's that easy.

[slim fern]

as am i it took me a little to realize the culture in here lol

[rancid jackal]

He’s just a family guy running a car wash looking out for his fam

[worn ferry]

Bruh my name is Myles

[raven goblet]

It says Super Taz to us

[worn ferry]

Yall new

[rancid jackal]

Myles is a taz glazer everyone who’s been here knows this

[raven goblet]

Yea