arena-chat

[quick tendon]

👀

[tulip hornet]

dope

[timid walrus]

👽

[tulip hornet]

heard the mode crashes a lot

[kindred agate]

Hello chat

[open sand]

Niceeee

Will Nubia get buffed?

[tulip hornet]

pfg: a nerf? sure thing!

[surreal shale]

Oooo

[winged iris]

Ah a new chat for arena. Thank you.

[twilit sparrow]

Does anyone know what's the reward for first place?

[finite palm]

i got 700 prestige when i won first place

[twilit sparrow]

Right, ty

[unkempt rover]

Some of yall need to stop trading Lv3 attack perks for Lv 1 perks. Who ever that person on my team that did that during a round 7 when we were 6 win streak...You're an idiot.

[high pier]

we'll all be idiots. together.

[hexed mica]

Anyone arena?

I haven't tried it yet and the queue time is crazy long

[tidal lagoon]

Anybody wanna que up arenas? I was gold last season

[autumn elk]

It keeps crashing for me

[kind venture]

Arena anyone

[sinful crow]

hi loves

[sharp terrace]

Hewwo nwn 💝

[delicate inlet]

YAY I'm the 18th person in this section and 23rd message 🥳🥳🥳

[trail shoal]

Could someone explain how the hp system works to me? Maybe I’m just stupid but I don’t really got how it works

[fair brook]

FIX THE CRASHES @torpid sail

Add more better rewards i like the mode but man. Also for 2v2 it should be per elimination as in my allies elimination should eliminate him like smash bros does. Why do I have to suffer for my teamate being 🗑 this is why I don't play 2v2

[vagrant hearth]

You can read the Arena Q&A here that explains some of those rules. The gist is that you take damage according to the difference between the number of ringouts your team got vs. what the other team got. If you are tied in ringouts we use current stock damage to break ties (not total damage done as that would favor offensive builds).

For example, if you beat your opponent 2-1 they will take 18 damage, but if you beat them 6-0 they will take 26 damage. The amount of damage also goes up in later rounds.

[vagrant hearth]

We know there are still a lot of rough edges with the mode and we are working hard to fix them. Some of the crash fixes are going to take a bit longer as they'll require a client patch and we likely won't be able to get one out till next week sometime. We have been making improvements and fixing issues on the server as much as we can though (we've seen an improvement on various disconnects that were happening). I'm glad you are having fun and we are hoping to continually improve stability!

[trail shoal]

Ah, I see. I was wondering why I was losing hp in ties. Thanks for the help!

[balmy knot]

I was here

[sand lotus]

Idk about you guys but I love Arena its hands down the best new mode they've added

[hoary wren]

Anyone wanna team up?

[fair brook]

I think you guys should revamp the 2v2 system. Alot of us come from smash bros and are familiar with there 2v2 system this one in MV makes no sense.

[steel canopy]

Not arena crashing on our last match when we were about to lose and get third and not awarding me any of the arena missions 😭

[meager saddle]

So if I just keep playing Arena and doing good I technically could buy the entire Prestige store?

[sand lotus]

Yessir that prestige reward is peak 👌

[sand lotus]

Are you guys taking requests for arena right now
I’ll shoot my shot I only have one:
I want to be able to see what abilities my partner has and the opponents have before going in a match …. Most likely might need more than 10 seconds but not too much because 20 seconds is too long

[cursive gust]

Do arena perks stack for your partner?

[limber swift]

What is arena

[fiery sundial]

Anybody near Monroe Lafayette Baltimore area ?!?!?

[tender magnet]

anyone tryna run i

it

[pastel obsidian]

anyone down to arena mode?
i'm from asia region

[cloud rivet]

Play 10 matches, whoever wins the most out of 10 is winner, you can also buy perks between the matches with areana currency called gold

[wheat mango]

I've gone into 15 matches...

[fair brook]

No. You play what the game will allow you to play before it crashes... get it right ✅️

[tight charm]

Anyone tryna run arena

Im fieing

To carry

[pastel obsidian]

can i join?

[tight charm]

Yea idm ts was too free

We need more people in can’t tell if its ai or people are just vibing

[pastel obsidian]

This is my id name : Zhul3110

[tight charm]

Rxmpc

Is the code join up friend or anyone

[pastel obsidian]

otw

[tight charm]

Snm

[pastel obsidian]

dam, can't join
it said poor connection quality

[tight charm]

Hol up

If not invite me and ill join

[pastel obsidian]

FKWZP

[tight charm]

It says the same as well

Sorry my friend

[pastel obsidian]

no prob

[split summit]

Who wants to play arena add me ayon935

[tender sequoia]

shop is so slow

[wheat mango]

Anyone that actually tries want to pair for a few rounds? Trying to finish arena missions

[split summit]

Ayon935

[wheat mango]

Just sent a request

@split summit setup a lobby

[split summit]

join

[wheat mango]

Send me a request

[split summit]

QSSSR

[wheat mango]

Won't let me join. Hold on

HLGNW

[split summit]

too far away

[normal marten]

yo whats lobby code

[outer trail]

My teammate and I both have the Brain and Brawn buffs, and we each play as a bruiser-mage hybrid. Do these buffs stack together?

[vagrant hearth]

Yes, the item works best if both you and your teammate are of the required class. It doubles the bonus! Arena items work off a limited pool though, so if both you and your teammate are trying to buy it though you'll make it harder for the other to finish it so just keep that in mind

[vagrant hearth]

The Arena status page should show you what your teammate has, and what your opponent has item wise. You can also see the items they have at the top of face off and each of those is hoverable. There is a time we wait on that transition so you can scout out what the rest of the lobby is building/using

[hollow plaza]

Wow I really really really hate Beetlejuice and black Adam in this

I'm not 100% sure if I'm correct or not but the Punch Yo Buns perk where you get a damage boost for attacking from behind seemed to be inconsistent, applying the bonus even if I'm facing my opponent

[hollow plaza]

"LeaverBot"

[sharp terrace]

Somepony wanna play arena with me nwn?

[terse coyote]

top 15 arena LFG know whats up ❤️

[late ridge]

How do I always win

[ionic igloo]

yo

[midnight hamlet]

I'm not sure what's up with the matchmaking in this, but out of 5 games i've played my teammates have been nothing but unhelpful. Standing still, buying nothing but blue or higher perks (i get the missions but still)

Over all matches have been me vs them and my teammate lost in the sauce.

[hollow plaza]

Not very fun when your teammate isn't performing well and you get dragged down to the bottom of the scoreboard

When your teammate isn't doing ANYTHING...

[midnight hamlet]

Seriously. Like i'm semi okay with a loose matchmaking to prevent long wait times. But if my teammate is gonna sit on their phone or read a book the whole time, There should be something we can do about it.

[terse coyote]

Spoiler alert folks there are BOTs that are not named LeaverBot, and if you solo queue you may get one.
I can prove this I had "NoJons" a Known PFG Bot on my team earlier.

[midnight hamlet]

I hope this is true becuase lord have mercy i'm like 2 more matches away from screaming into the void

[hollow plaza]

I got into a tournament made up almost entirely of Leaverbots

[terse coyote]

There's some issues for sure I've played as much as I can and I've been booted/crashed from 5 Arenas. 😦

[late ridge]

I won, yay

[late ridge]

My teammate gave up and went AFK
How do we ban them

[lost osprey]

Arenas need fixing these dc are getting worse

[tender magnet]

yoooooo

anyone know

on **

[inland spear]

New

Ok

[vernal sand]

Anyone trying to run arena

[pastel obsidian]

Arena Mode is pretty fun so far
but i won't too carried away from this wins because something felt weird, some people said that we probably get bots
i'm kinda agree with that because when my oppts team has low HP, they should at least play all out and spend all golds to make sure they won't get eliminated
for now, i need to see more and see how challenge this mode truly is

[teal current]

i wish there was a longer time to look at the shop

[astral prism]

Exactly but its only a limited time gamemode so i don't think there gonna do some fixing about the gamemode unless there gonna make at some point a officieel gamemode

[green monolith]

If it is that, it should be coming back multiple time, if not they wasted their time making a new gamemode lol

[lost osprey]

I get a lot of time out on the shop trying to buy stuff and it just so laggy or wont let me buy. Its fun when it works

[terse coyote]

PLEASE EXPLAIN the TIE mechanic. WHO WIN?????? ITS NOT MORE DAMAGE!!!!

[stoic star]

Arena hasn’t worked for me yet. I pick my fighter and skin then says “waiting for other players” until it disbands the lobby

“Players left before match started”

[upper sky]

In all my matches it was more damage

Maybe your math was off

[terse coyote]

i have screenshots

[fluid sinew]

I'm enjoying the mode with the exception that it's plagued with quitters

[umbral sonnet]

so last 3 attempts at arena:
1st: count purchase perks so "players left before match started:
2nd: game crashed before match one
3rd: after losing round 1 teammate left, so i couldnt even purchase perks for round 2. in less than 2 seconds i got brought to match screen, and the match was automatic loss, didnt even load

ok i am looking at my recent matches. apparently got 4th in the first one, that didnt load, 7th on the one that crashed.

[idle spruce]

These 2 Morty mains SUCKED

Superman and BG..

[teal current]

such a fun game mode but i keep geting bot matches than punished for altf4ing out of them

why does mvs even add bots to gamemmodes outside of pve its so bad

and than i have to fight teams with actual players too

[devout barn]

Anybody else keep crashing trying to load in?

[feral urchin]

For now, nope

[formal lagoon]

I like arena but let me just play my main lol 😭 I don't want to be trapped in 9 matches with a character I don't care about

[fluid sinew]

I think there should be an auditory cue marking the last 3 seconds in the shop.

[quaint dawn]

The shop glitched and i couldnt buy anything, effectively crippling me for this round

[naive compass]

Question is areana all bots?

[craggy wagon]

Anyone else noticing that Jason’s grounded Neutral is hitting way higher than it used to?

[craggy wagon]

I think some of them are bots, especially when people leave. But I haven’t noticed very many bots. Or at the least the last few teams are real people.

[quartz jewel]

Cu

[raw rock]

happening to me more and more.. super annoying

[quaint dawn]

Thankfully i still got 1st place but not being able to upgrade investor for one round could of cost me a lot

[lost osprey]

Game is so buggy with these stupid season

[midnight hamlet]

Can we pair bots with bots please. My last handful of games i've played had only been Bots as my teammate and they're not good bots either.

[barren cargo]

same

[void seal]

I wanted to enjoy the game mode

But it kicked us out

[terse coyote]

need duo for this morning top 5 arena

[umbral sonnet]

so arena is great for fighter road in my experience. 1500 fighter road exp in less than 30 mins

[terse coyote]

Crashed during the final match RIP

[fleet acorn]

Connection break almost in the finals.... all lost. Nothing counted at all.

[fast fjord]

Damn I lowkey just realized this was a thing lmao.

Anyways mode’s fun and it’s especially really cool how u can get 15 friends in for an arena as well.

I definitely gotta play it more.

[terse coyote]

All i'm saying is if someone got LeaverBot the gamertag you'd really have people shook 🙂

[hollow plaza]

Sometimes it straight up doesn't let me buy anything in the shop

[reef stirrup]

Yo guys

How does it take to get good at this game

is it easy to master?

[terse coyote]

Anyone playing?

[dire onyx]

does arena keep crashing for anyone?

[idle spruce]

So, there's hackers in arena's it seems

Since the people im fighting have max level perks, and its ROUND 1

with 99 gold

[feral urchin]

It never crashed for me so emm, nope

[warm eagle]

yo its a buncha bots

[autumn elk]

Yes

[pastel obsidian]

Good thing arena mode is an experimental mode
but so far it's pretty fun to play

[north rampart]

was just on round 6 and then my game crashed and all of that was for nothing cuz it didn't even count for any my quests 🔥

[tawny raft]

make it permanent

ty

[pastel obsidian]

I think we need to see or try playing with full of players, to find out how challenging or difficult from that mode truly is

[vagrant axle]

Love arena. But wish they didn't put players that were 3+ losses against players with 3+ wins

[tame horizon]

can you matctmake with a duo? or do you have too create a full custom game

[pastel obsidian]

Yes and no

[lavish ridge]

I can't finish a series without a crash

[fleet willow]

who wanna do arena W me

[astral prism]

Relatable sometimes there is a small chance but it’s mostly crashes

[astral prism]

That always makes me feel disappointed in myself lol if I keep losing

[royal marsh]

why is my teammate hoarding 90 coins with common items when we have 9 health left 💀

[tame horizon]

great answer

[pastel obsidian]

I mean
Yes, you can matchmake with a duo
No, you don't have to create a full (if you meant full players) custom game

[tame horizon]

oh ok thanks

[cloud violet]

Dying rich is better than dying poor

[terse coyote]

anyone tryna play? I need some more #1s

[bleak basalt]

Can someone play rifts with me

[half hazel]

arena servers are crap, have only had one arena not crash the game or disconnect

its impossible to complete arena event battlepass until they start giving credit for the missions you'd have completed if the game didnt crash halfway through the rounds, if you can even get people to stick around long enough to even get into arena

[frank inlet]

That's the worst because the progress doesn't save and you don't get rewards even if the game crashed before the last match 😤

[silk void]

+1

[terse flume]

Hello, I need help for the arena, someone can help me??

[gleaming flame]

Really not a fan of how you can get paired with bots for this and be put in a 2v2 with 2 human players 🙁

[terse coyote]

who wanna run?

[lavish pewter]

Gets two ko's 1st in arena. Enemies ties it with two ko's. Time runs out. Loses. Mfw

[tender magnet]

who tryna run some v

?

[whole bloom]

Arena any1?

[terse coyote]

Games I got booted from are showing up in my match history with me as LeaverBot lol

[lost osprey]

Wish they fix the crashes. So many game crash or i get time out from buying in the shop really sucks

[orchid pumice]

😐

[proud whale]

iron giant in arena is stupid, just stack defensive buffs and live forever

[hallow ember]

iro giant in ranked is

[fast wing]

Well he deserves it especially since outside of arena he's not that good

[lost osprey]

Arena can get so one sided lol

The rng sucks

[naive skiff]

Has anyone even finish a match of arena. I just end up crashing every time I try it. what I played so far was fun but damn doing all those matches and then crash and get nothing for it sucks.

[frozen trail]

Yes, I actually find Arena to be the best game mode in terms of lag, I do crash every once in a while so I’ll either play it when all my missions are done or go on casual

[vagrant hearth]

Thanks everyone for the feedback so far! We'll be going live with a client patch soon to address the crashing issues, but things that have just recently gone live

• The matchmaker will try and put real players together over putting them with bots when we are looking to fill out a match. This was an oversight on our side, but we want players to be playing with others as much as possible but sometimes use bots to fill out an arena that has spent a long time matchmaking especially where connection quality is concerned. If you still get put with a bot it is likely a odd number issue that we'll continue to look for improvements with but most of the time we should put real players together on a team.
• Mimic battles now have your items when you face them. Mimic battles where not supposed to be a free win or way to farm extra coin, so now they should be more challenging, especially later when you have more items that they can use against you!

[hearty sparrow]

It doesn't seem like the mimic battle change has been implemented, ran into multiple mimic teams while having the jump for firewall perk and none of the mimics jumps spawned firewall, in addition no perks are displayed for them

[vagrant hearth]

We're going out with a hotfix right now. We are going to make a few Arena tuning changes as well that I'll post after we are back up!

[terse coyote]

Hell yeah

[autumn elk]

What about ps4 issues too?

[vagrant hearth]

What in particular issues are you referring to? Crashes in Arenas are impacting all platforms and we have changes to help alleviate the worst ones.

[autumn elk]

I meant games who keep freezing when we go into the store

[solar vortex]

What this?

[terse coyote]

@vagrant hearth you're in my game ❤️ why are the changes like Damage Sponge not in the patch notes ❤️ #ArenaLivesMatter

[vagrant hearth]

ggs, I'll try and get them added, I'll post them here and try and get them added to the website

• Embrace the elements tuned to match our other item curves, 25/37.5/62.5
• Damage Sponge from 30/45/75 -> 25/37/65
• Not out yet from 50/75/125 -> 40/60/100
• Air Specialist from 30/45/75 -> 25/37.5/62.5
• 1 more gold per round into the economy

[terse coyote]

❤️ ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[vagrant hearth]

Also, the big one, the "waiting for players" crash should be fixed. It mostly impacted Arenas due to the number of games and how bad crashing impacted it, but benefits all modes. For Arena if someone disconnects now you will be sent to end of game and need to wait for all the other matches to finish. Don't leave!

[terse coyote]

❤️

[fleet tapir]

Catch me while you can

[terse coyote]

SQCDX | ARENA

[terse coyote]

Also Come At me level 3?

[lost osprey]

I wish we could lock in a talent for next round

[autumn elk]

I somehow got disconnected while playing arena

[autumn elk]

@vagrant hearth arena mode still has some glitches

[vagrant hearth]

Anymore detail, what things are you seeing?

[hot sigil]

being penalized for game crashing hurts

[soft pebble]

Could use more xp. 480 for 12 matches is pretty low

Also I feel like the attack/defense boost perks should be toned down. They're way too good but also being common makes them easy to stack

[autumn elk]

Game keeps freezing, glitching and connection issues

[vague lotus]

Agreed, I would like to see even 1,000 or more for the 1st place spot.

[worthy forum]

how does the top 100 leaderboard work in arenas?

like I see AP

but I have no idea where or how to track it, or how it works

[half hazel]

has anyone managed to complete more than one arena?

[pastel obsidian]

you mean complete more than one game in arena mode?
if it is, yes i guess, don't have any issue so far from that mode, unless in the shop when we refresh, the items sometimes took longer to pops off

[hallow carbon]

People keep leaving midway. U get a bot on yr team but there complete garbage

[pastel obsidian]

this is why i hold my full judge about this mode, because we need to feel the real thing from this mode
especially we get a match up that has full of players or not weird where ppl sometimes don't spent their golds properly until >100

[terse coyote]

Same I've lost almost an hour from these.

[bold pond]

Y'know, for a hitbox changing patch, it astounishes me how jack's sword still hits nowhere near him in every direction. It's disjoint is still disjointed

[terse coyote]

anyone want to play?

[fast crescent]

There's a glitch in the shop that won't let you buy items. I click "buy" and nothing happens I have to spam it repeatedly and it causes me to miss out on a lot of good deals. Also just a QOL suggestion, this mode HEAVILY needs to discourage ppl from using it as practice mode ie picking characters they're unfamiliar with since the mode itself go up to like 13 rounds and that's not really fair to put their teammate through. So my suggestion would be put a prompt at the beginning of the mode AND at character selection stating "This mode lasts awhile so try to pick characters you're familiar with!" Basically most ppl are gonna avoid this mode unless w friends if they keep getting randos who use it as literal practice mode ie have no idea what their character even does.

[fast crescent]

Also my teammate left so I left afterwards because the leavebot was just taking hits and I'm now hit with a 29 min ban cool

def will not be playing this mode w randoms ever again. Arena is good on paper but needs major tweaks

Last thing. Maybe don't ban ppl for leaving an experimental mode that lasts like 30mins of game time??? That one seemed obvious.

[inland barn]

Jesus Christ. My teammate was a bot THE ENTIRE TIME. His name was WayToTheBeach. I carried him. We got 2nd. Then I realized I couldn’t toast him at the end. 🙈

[vague lotus]

Getting 2nd with a bot is incredible 🙌🏼

[feral urchin]

That happened to me too 😂

[inland barn]

I was so proud of him too, man!! Like I could tell he wasn’t that experienced but I really thought he was trying his best. 😂😭

Honestly such a weird, whiplash realization when there was no toast button. This is probably what it feels like to get catfished by ChatGPT.

[fast crescent]

Another note everyone just picks Jason in this mode and stacks him w dmg.

[tardy basalt]

Is there a list of perks and drop rate percentages ???

Quite enjoying the game mode

[heavy temple]

Is the arena KO badge GLITCHED my homie doesn’t have it even tho he’s gotten kos

[inland barn]

Has anyone sussed out how Arena picks matches each round? I haven’t kept track of anything carefully, but first impression, it seems somewhere between a round robin and a Swiss-style bracket (plus eventually teams get dropped when they zero out).

Also: Do we know how it’s pairing up the solo players? I’m curious if the teams are full random, or if it tries to partner up people with similar MMR (good equality within duos but stratification between team), or if it tries to distribute MMR evenly across all teams (stronger players and less-strong players get put together). I honestly can’t even guess at this point, I just started arena’ing yesterday and rounds have been too chaotic (in a good way lol).

[terse coyote]

@vagrant hearth You gotta nerf bombs I've ruined the meta of Arena

[vagrant hearth]

Why you ruin meta!? We'll be looking into the items for the next patch. Mid-season is likely the next major changeset though.

[vagrant hearth]

I believe you get it through the mission for the Arena event

[tardy basalt]

@vagrant hearth I know I asked last night but is there a comprehensive list of perks and drop percentages so that people can theory craft ? I was a avid mtg player and this gives me deck building vibes with crazy potential for the future of this . I was skeptical at first but the more I think about this game mode the more I think it could be a mix of almost like a deck building game and platformer . Also give us like 3-5 more seconds on perk time . I think limiting it is needed but think 3-5 seconds would help

[vagrant hearth]

I want to get more of that info into game, but to get you started at least with the current balancing of arenas there is a limited pool of each item
Commons: 60
Uncommon: 50
Rare: 40
Epic: 30
Legendary: 20
so it will be harder to find each item as other players are trying to build that item.

Round 1 - Common: 95%, Uncommon: 5%
Round 2 - Common: 88%, Uncommon: 10%, Rare: 2%
Round 3 - Common: 80%, Uncommon: 14%, Rare: 6%
Round 4 - Common: 70%, Uncommon: 20%, Rare: 8%, Epic: 2%
Round 5 - Common: 55%, Uncommon: 26%, Rare: 13%, Epic: 6%
Round 6 - Common: 45%, Uncommon: 28%, Rare: 17%, Epic: 9%, Legendary: 1%
Round 7 - Common: 35%, Uncommon: 30%, Rare: 20%, Epic: 12%, Legendary: 3%
Round 8 - Common: 25%, Uncommon: 32%, Rare: 23%, Epic: 15%, Legendary: 5%
Round 9 - Common: 15%, Uncommon: 35%, Rare: 25%, Epic: 17%, Legendary: 8%
Round 10 - Common: 10%, Uncommon: 30%, Rare: 28%, Epic: 20%, Legendary: 12%
Round 11 - Common: 8%, Uncommon: 22%, Rare: 30%, Epic: 25%, Legendary: 15%
Round 12 - Common: 7%, Uncommon: 18%, Rare: 30%, Epic: 28%, Legendary: 17%
Round 13 - Common: 6%, Uncommon: 16%, Rare: 28%, Epic: 30%, Legendary: 20%
Round 14+ - Common: 5%, Uncommon: 14%, Rare: 25%, Epic: 34%, Legendary: 22%

[lost osprey]

Arenas is a joke. So many leaver bots. Tired of doing well then my teammate leaves

[pastel obsidian]

can we see all items from arena mode?

[safe timber]

Anyone know how to complete the “gain at least 50 gold in interest” mission? I had a wallet of over 100 gold and still didn’t complete the mission

[lavish ridge]

I think you get coins for not spending.

[terse coyote]

90 seconds per round. Team with higher ring outs wins. If there is a Tie. Then the team with the least damage on them wins.
Deal more damage with extra ring outs to the enemy Health. (Seen as score on bottom)
0 coin for winning (+1 with each win streak past 2 [2 for 3, 3 for 4, 4 for 5+])
1 coin for every 2 ring outs (on team)
0 coin for losing (+1 with each loss streak past 2 [2 for 3, 3 for 4, 4 for 5+])
If you drop below 0 health you're out.
@vagrant hearth If this is accurate information would you mind Pinning it and this post I replied to 🙌
I think many players will want this knowledge.

[hybrid flower]

The failure to connect in area is actually unreal.

[vague lotus]

The only way I got this completed was doing a playthrough only buying the investor buff and that’s all.

[reef leaf]

Does anyone want to run arena in north American east?? Add me on ps5 HOF_Rad

[pastel obsidian]

i'm down

[tardy basalt]

@vagrant hearth thank you this will help me . The future of this game mode looks very promising. Love the ideas . Again I think I speak for everyone when I say it would be nice to see the entire list of perks if possible but I understand that’s probably a lot to do

[fast crescent]

Armor characters have a huge advantage because there's nothing that counters armor in this mode via the perk system and most armor break moves tend to be bad minus ww's

[half hazel]

arena is a freakin joke, 20+ attempts and have only had one last to the end, every single other try and it crashes.

ya'll need to figure out how to give people credit for stuff they did before the game crashes evering f-ing time

[half hazel]

after 5 or 6 more attempts FINALLY had one get to the end without crashing.

[inland barn]

Honestly, shoutout to the design team for even trying this cockamamie idea.

The other night I independently stumbled upon the extremely funny combination of Batarang + Rockets, and used it to immediately steal 1st place from an objectively more-skilled team (lmaooo), and I just kept on thinking “This feels SO broken but also it’s SO fun.” Afterwards, I kept on wondering if I should be mentioning it in here or not, whether it would ultimately be for the betterment of the mode if someone “complained” about it.

Then just yesterday I was skimming through the official Arena blog post again (checking for something else) and I noticed these crazy designers had literally mentioned this exact combination in there as an example build that you should try. They knew, my dudes! They already knew!!

That’s so awesome, man. That put the biggest grin on my face. This mode is pure cheddar.

[vague lotus]

Yea I feel arena mode is the only place where these ridiculous combos should exist.

[vagrant hearth]

@half hazel where/when are you crashing?

[karmic tide]

Arena mode has been a good addition to the game. Some suggestions to make it even better.

1. Do not pair people with a bot from the very start of the game. Yesterday I queued to play and it found a match within like 5 seconds. Turns out almost the entire Arena was bots from the start. They're were 2 or 3 teams where both players were actual people, several teams where both players were bots, and me with a bot teammate. I still almost won anyway but it's really disheartening to basically have a guaranteed loss and waste of time right from the start. And yes I know they were bots both based on performance and the inability to toast once it was finished.

2. Balance the perks. The common, uncommon, rare etc doesn't feel accurate. Several common perks are better than basically every rare perk. Certain perks are almost always picked as well like hard hitter, vampirism, and damage sponge. Nerf these slightly and buff some other perks because right now attack damage and defense are just better in every way vs most perks.

3. Allow us to view profile, report player, and block player for our Arena teammate once it's over like any other mode. I want to be able to report and or block people who troll.

4. Evaluate the length of a typical Arena match. I personally feel it's about right and needs that many rounds for the income and perk system to do its thing but some feel it's too long. Maybe try changing the HP loss to a standard -34 so that you lose 3 matches and you're out.

5. Consider giving partial rewards for people who crash/drop. I only crashed once when Arena was first introduced and haven't had any issues myself since but I know others do and it can be very frustrating to play half a dozen matches and get nothing. To discourage possible abuse in the form of intentional disconnecting, award half of what someone would normally receive for the number of rounds they did complete.

[clever sail]

can we please remove the giant perk

i don’t want to deal with these already big disjointed characters getting even more unpunishable

or give it more downside, like if you kill a giant it counts as 2 ringouts

like when you kill a mega pokemon in the tcg

[clever sail]

you should be rewarded extra gold if your teammate gets replaced by a bot

[half hazel]

on xbox one, crashes after 2 or 3 arena matches usually when either loading up the next fight or loading the shop between matches. often have the fight start but none of the fighters show up and the clock never starts then it crashes. I only had 2 arenas ever make it to fight 8 or 9. the crashing is consistent in arena, but in other pvp modes I can go a whole night without crashing once, and usually just the no fighters and frozen clock crash, don't have the issue with crashing while loading the fight or loading the results screen unless its arena

the first few days every time i'd find a match id be taken back to the matchmaking screen after selecting my character due to too many people leaving and would take 5 or 6 tries to actually get to a fight.

that's gotten better fortunately.

[vagrant hearth]

We'll take a look, thanks for the information!

[sharp terrace]

My game has been recently crashing while playing arena in Steam =c

[tender flume]

Yeah Arena’s been acting funky but they also seemed to JUST push an update for it so that might be why. Rerolls cost 3 coins and interest starts at 1 coin per 6 now

[vagrant hearth]

Hey all, thank you so much for all the Arena games that have been played so far! We've enjoyed watching you play and hope y'all have enjoyed playing. We know the start of the feature was a bit rough, but we've been working to continually improve the stability and while we know there is still work to do, being an experimental mode we wanted to understand what y'all thought.

So now that the leaderboards are down, and the event is over, Arena will be live for another week before take it down for a week in anticipation of the mid-season patch. This will include other Arena improvements but for the next week we are going to be pushing a change to Arena to change how they are played.

One of the most consistent pieces of feedback has been the amount of time required to play Arena. It is playing a bit long even for our original intentions so we've tweaked some of the health loss and economy to reduce the average time it takes for someone to complete an Arena. We wanted to get y'alls opinion on this change over the next week and we'll have a survey so we can get the feedback as to whether people like the faster Arena more or less. The speed changes mean a couple things.

• You lose health faster now, it is possible to be out in as little as 3 rounds, but generally about 4 losses
• More money is put into the economy early and more often due to less rounds being played, start the game with 20 gold now
• Interest increased to need less gold (1 per 6 to start), and give more at max (10)
• Rerolls increased to 3 gold
• Items have had their xp necessary reduced, 1 for level 2, 3 for level 3
• Item drop rates have changed so that they appear earlier
• Streaks have been tuned to give bonuses earlier
• We reduced character choice to one of each class. This was mainly done to avoid teams with duplicates. We didn't think that teams with the same character were super interesting, and generally Tanks were the only ones that could dupe, so we shouldn't see two Jasons or two Wonder Woman teams anymore.
• Random character is 5 gold, reroll is 4 gold
• Prestige gains lowered to account for shorter Arena times

We want to know what you think so keep an eye out for the survey when it releases! Also some things we are still focused on

• Improving stability, more people getting into matches, and less crashing
• Improving shop responsiveness on reroll, buying and selling
• Tuning pass on items for 4.5

[hearty sparrow]

did arena just get a bunch of changes?

[tender flume]

Read the message directly above yours

[hearty sparrow]

lol yeah just saw that for some reason it wasent loading

[tender flume]

Gotcha yeah discord can be weird

[sharp terrace]

Could you pretty please tell us how much will the prestige gain be lowered? I was already doing my math of how much match in 1st place I nedeed to get all 😄 right now it is 1,020 matches.

[tender flume]

I just got 400 Prestige for a win and the arena went by way faster, so still pretty good

[hearty sparrow]

wont lie, the reduced time makes it feel alot more luck based, one good round and you can get lvl 3 in one turn

plus you get soooo much gold now it almost feels too easy? idk still havent played a bunch

[hearty sparrow]

yeah i just got a win on only round 8 with two level 3 powerups and level 2 batarang and vampiric. if you know what powerups are good its so easy to win now

[vagrant hearth]

As others have mentioned, it came down in par with the time reduction we were seeing during testing, about 40-45%. Should be roughly the same Prestige gain per minute played but there are always outliers (which was true before)
1 - 400, 2 - 200, 3 - 100, 4 - 50, 5 - 35, 6 - 25, 7 - 20, 8 - 10

[tender flume]

I consider myself someone that can play plenty characters, but only 4 choices at the start is a bit too limiting 😓

I like all the other changes I’ve seen so far though

[hearty sparrow]

Honestly with such limited choice its almost always worth taking the +5 for random now

Also wow idk if its fair but man i am having a blast with these changes just won 6 games in a row and 8/10 total, It does feel like knowing what powerup combos are broken is really important now. Being able to get lvl3 anything on your first turn is so OP you can just coast off that for a couple rounds then have an insane amount of gold

[hearty sparrow]

Ive noticed alot of matches now get cancled at the character select screen, seems like alot of people just leave if they dont get a character they want

[formal lagoon]

I'm willing to go into round 1 with no items every single time if it guarantees I can play as my main - couldn't there be some gold-expensive option to just pick your favourite and go? I can live with everyone else spending 20 gold, I'll fight them anyways lol

[hearty sparrow]

I mean you can reroll? plus part of the fun of arena is you dont have to play your main to win, it lets you try out new characters who get effected by powerups differntly

[karmic tide]

Regarding the recent Arena changes I think most of it is an improvement. Here is my feedback.

Increase the hero selection options to 6 or 8. 4 feels like too few.

Slightly reduce starting gold and gold per round. It feels like you get too much now and it detracts from the saving vs spending choice players used to have to make.

Perks still need balancing because some are basically worthless compared to others that you should pick practically every time. Most green, blue, and purple perks are worse than common ones like hard hitter and brick wall.

Currently I haven't seen any way after the Arena is finished to friend request, report, or block your teammate. Allow us to do these things like with every other mode.

[formal lagoon]

I do see your point, but it would probably cut the Leaverbots down significantly if people just got what they wanted. Better yet the full roster with a "Random" option for people who are into mixing it up. I'd much rather get to try and combine new powerups with characters I actually like playing.

[hearty sparrow]

A full roster random would be really cool but if people leave at the character select they dont get replaced with leaver bots the match just ends

[formal lagoon]

The Leaverbots are the people who just picked someone after all available rolls were flops and then got annoyed by match 2 or 3 😂 I will play with 15 epic loadout Iron Giants and come in last place happily without a peep if I can just be my main

[tender flume]

Regarding your last point, you can find recent teammates (and opponents) by going to the “Recent” tab in the friends list menu. I invite good Arena teammates all the time using this

[karmic tide]

Thanks for the info I'll check it out. I've always gone to the career tab for that and it shows them there but doesn't let you select or do anything for arena match history

[tender flume]

Try the recent tab. As long as you remember their name you should be able to find them. However if someone gets replaced by a LeaverBot, their name will stay as “LeaverBot” in all menus (including leaderboards which is kinda funny) until you restart your game so keep that in mind

[karmic tide]

Sometimes when selling a perk it will glitch and sell two of your perks at once.

[karmic tide]

Add a counter so that if you've rerolled 9 times in a row without any of your current non maxed perks showing up as an option to buy then on the 10th reroll it must include one. It feels really bad rerolling 30 times and not having either of the two perks you need show up.

Also why is the dark mimic version of my leaverbot teammate twice as good as the leaver bot? Like it's already bad having a bot as a teammate so can we at least get the more proficient bot?

[mossy lotus]

anyone else kinda annoyed how the game doesnt really weigh the upgrades you need to get? Like sometimes I'll roll a bunch of times and not get any of the upgrades I need to level up, especially apparent in the late game

[vagrant hearth]

If you haven't seen it in game it'd be great to get everyone's thoughts on Arena mode so we've got a survey where you can let us know! https://wbgames.questionpro.com/t/AbWsVZ4sEN

[karmic tide]

Is there some technical reason Arena was taken down? I know there are changes planned with the mid season patch but I wish it was still playable in the meantime

[astral prism]

It was a limited time gamemode it might be back soon

[finite basalt]

Maybe Arena will be back in the mid season patch

[vagrant hearth]

That is the plan, it'll be back with our patch next week!

[finite basalt]

Nice

[karmic tide]

Feedback on current Arena Mode after the most recent patch.

1. Shop lag is still a thing and if it happens while trying to sell a perk the game can glitch out and sell multiple perks. It happened yesterday to me. I sold only the 4th perk in my list and when it went to the next screen my 2nd perk in the lost was magically gone. This issue can completely ruin an Arena run. Possible solutions: 1a. Have a cooldown after selling a perk where you can't sell another for 5 seconds. 1b. When selling a perk have a confirmation window pop up "are you sure you want to sell?" And have the "No" option highlighted by default so you have to move over to and select "Yes". 1c. Make it so you always have the ability to buy back the last perk you sold.

2. The perk balancing did basically nothing to change the meta. The same perks are still dominant. There are a few perks of higher rarity that are really good but the common "Hard Hitter", "Brick Wall" and uncommon one that gives critical strike and dmg/knockback for each tank/assassin or whichever duo pair are top tier and better than the vast majority of higher rarity perks. Solution: Track stats on perk choices and Arena outcomes to see which perks are being most commonly picked by those winning Arena and nerf those while buffing less used ones. Alternatively, raise the rarity of these strong perks and lower the rarity of worse ones.

3. This issue is related to issue #2 above. As the game goes on the low rarity perk chance drops significantly making it very difficult to level up those perks to lvl 3. It feels really bad to reroll 20 times and not see any of the perks you still need to level. Solutions: 1a. Add a counter such that if you reroll 9 times in a row without buying a perk, the 10th reroll is guaranteed to have a non maxed perk you own available as one of the options to buy. 1b. Adjust the % chance to get each perk so the common and uncommon don't go below like 15% or 20%. 1c. Change the perk level up system so that each purchase of a perk levels it up and perks can get up to rank 5. For instance "Hard Hitter" lvl 1 30%, lvl 2 40%, lvl 3 50%, lvl 4 55%, lvl 5 60%.

[fast crescent]

"This issue is related to issue #2 above. As the game goes on the low rarity perk chance drops significantly making it very difficult to level up those perks to lvl 3. It feels really bad to reroll 20 times and not see any of the perks you still need to level. "

This needs to be fixed immediately. If you don't level up your uncommon perks fast you typically won't ever get them level 3 which causes a lot of wasted money. I don't do that cuz I've gotten wiser but this will be extremely frustrating for newcomers.

Furthermore I'd like to add 2 perks that should just straight up be removed from the system because I feel there's no balancing them in a way that makes them fair without making them garbage at the same time. First is Your Weight in Gold perk. That one either causes a straight throw because some inexperienced player doesn't know how to work the shop for choice buys while saving gold at the same time OR it becomes so busted there's no chance of anyone else winning.

I managed to get Your Weight in Gold early and I know how to work the shop system so I managed to keep it consistently useful for my entire arena session while luckily getting Finish Them, Devilish Contract, and the Grow perk. Add that to my over 500 wins Beetlejuice and I was basically incapable of dying. I caused 4 teams to ragequit lol. This perk just isn't healthy for the mode.

Second Perk that needs to be removed is Air Specialist. This perk is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS because it's super useful at level 2 on the right character. A Banana Guard main w a Lvl 2 Air Specialist is an absolute monster. He's unbeatable you can't hit him and he's SO FAST IN THE AIR. The only blessing is most ppl don't know yet how broken this perk actually is but I faced it firsthand and there was absolutely nothing I could do against this Banana Guard main spamming his airs left n right and using his perk to camp in the air. I would've 100% lost that Arena session had he not sold it for something he thought was more useful. The moment he did I beat him and my team won the session. The difference that perk made was INSANE.

[fast crescent]

Also plz let us change our skins sometimes the timer makes us pick the wrong one we wanted. 😭

[karmic tide]

It would also be nice to be able to toast after each arena match. Even when you do your last match it can occasionally bug out and not allow you to toast anyone at all

[vagrant hearth]

Shop lag is still a thing and if it happens while trying to sell a perk the game can glitch out and sell multiple perks. It happened yesterday to me. I sold only the 4th perk in my list and when it went to the next screen my 2nd perk in the lost was magically gone. This issue can completely ruin an Arena run. Possible solutions: 1a. Have a cooldown after selling a perk where you can't sell another for 5 seconds. 1b. When selling a perk have a confirmation window pop up "are you sure you want to sell?" And have the "No" option highlighted by default so you have to move over to and select "Yes". 1c. Make it so you always have the ability to buy back the last perk you sold.
We'll take a look, there is already a confirm but the fact that it sold a perk you didn't expect is not good.

The perk balancing did basically nothing to change the meta. The same perks are still dominant. There are a few perks of higher rarity that are really good but the common "Hard Hitter", "Brick Wall" and uncommon one that gives critical strike and dmg/knockback for each tank/assassin or whichever duo pair are top tier and better than the vast majority of higher rarity perks. Solution: Track stats on perk choices and Arena outcomes to see which perks are being most commonly picked by those winning Arena and nerf those while buffing less used ones. Alternatively, raise the rarity of these strong perks and lower the rarity of worse ones.
We are planning a larger change coming with the next season. Based on our data higher rarity items do have a higher win percentage, but it is still possible for players who out-skill their opponent to still win with low rarity perks. Common and uncommon are still intended to be part of builds if players get them to level 3, but commons are almost always better replaced with higher rarity items. We might not be fully there yet but we are keeping an eye on how the items are doing!

This issue is related to issue #2 above. As the game goes on the low rarity perk chance drops significantly making it very difficult to level up those perks to lvl 3. It feels really bad to reroll 20 times and not see any of the perks you still need to level. Solutions: 1a. Add a counter such that if you reroll 9 times in a row without buying a perk, the 10th reroll is guaranteed to have a non maxed perk you own available as one of the options to buy. 1b. Adjust the % chance to get each perk so the common and uncommon don't go below like 15% or 20%. 1c. Change the perk level up system so that each purchase of a perk levels it up and perks can get up to rank 5. For instance "Hard Hitter" lvl 1 30%, lvl 2 40%, lvl 3 50%, lvl 4 55%, lvl 5 60%.
So this gets a bit into our overall design about how we expect the Arena to be played. If you wait to reroll till late the expectation is you will have a hard time finding your common/uncommon, so if you want to get your level 3 of those it is better to do a reroll early/mid arena. We want to create a point in the Arena where players are best transitioning to "late game" where they trade out commons/uncommons for rare/epic/legendary. If you have a level 3 common/uncommon you may still hold onto it, but making that transition is the best way to secure an Arena win. The extra levels is something we are always thinking about whether it should be 3 or maybe more. As far as the power curve goes on level we still are fairly happy with it, in that you need to invest in level 3 before you get the benefit, which might not be reached. It is a risk/reward for players to think about. We still want to make room for higher rarity to show up much more commonly late game, so probably not much room to add back in commons, but we also don't want that to be the strategy late game. Players who want those items need to spend their coins early to secure those items.

I managed to get Your Weight in Gold early and I know how to work the shop system so I managed to keep it consistently useful for my entire arena session while luckily getting Finish Them, Devilish Contract, and the Grow perk. Add that to my over 500 wins Beetlejuice and I was basically incapable of dying. I caused 4 teams to ragequit lol. This perk just isn't healthy for the mode.
I think the tuning on this item might be too high, we are keeping an eye on win rates for different items/levels. As far as a risk/reward item though I think Gold Suit fills an interesting space where you sacrifice some reroll capacity so you can maintain the bonus. Everything you mentioned in your build there is Rare/Epic/Legendary and is available to others to purchase so as people get more comfortable with the idea of how you progress later in the Arena I hope it changes what the current meta is. We've also got more items coming in the next Season so we're hoping to continually keep the mode fresh.

Second Perk that needs to be removed is Air Specialist. This perk is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS because it's super useful at level 2 on the right character. A Banana Guard main w a Lvl 2 Air Specialist is an absolute monster. He's unbeatable you can't hit him and he's SO FAST IN THE AIR. The only blessing is most ppl don't know yet how broken this perk actually is but I faced it firsthand and there was absolutely nothing I could do against this Banana Guard main spamming his airs left n right and using his perk to camp in the air. I would've 100% lost that Arena session had he not sold it for something he thought was more useful. The moment he did I beat him and my team won the session. The difference that perk made was INSANE.
We were noticing this was a rarely used but powerful item. We did hit it with the patch but it might not have been enough, we may touch this again next week. The power is less explicit so we probably over-tuned it.

Also plz let us change our skins sometimes the timer makes us pick the wrong one we wanted.
Probably going to switch random selection over to pick a random skin you own. As far as backing out, that is a bit harder with how the Arena flows and making sure we've got everyone locked in time .

It would also be nice to be able to toast after each arena match. Even when you do your last match it can occasionally bug out and not allow you to toast anyone at all
For sure! The UI for Arena is already pretty intense so we are focused on the needs players have to be effective in the Arena first, but want to add more ability to utilize toasts hopefully.

[karmic tide]

Servers are visibly struggling with arena today. Every transition is delayed and shop double sold again

[karmic tide]

Also I'm sure you're right that the stats show higher win rate with higher rarity perks but I wonder if that's partly because it's harder to max out common and uncommon perks and because only like 2 common and 2 uncommon perks are really really strong with the right synergy of perks. I've tried some other combinations and the one I use is just better and I'm pretty much the top performer in every match, not because I'm great In actually pretty mid but that perk combo is a beast. In any case my suggested solution would solve the issue no matter what the perk percents chance is. The one where you add a counter such that after x shop rerolls where none of your current perks that aren't maxed show up to buy it automatically has one of those perks as a buy option. This also addresses the issue of just being really unlucky with rerolls regardless of rarity

[fast crescent]

Getting bots at the start of the match is killing this game. Would be nice to not have bots at all unless a player leaves.

[frank inlet]

That the game crashes and you lose all the rewards doesn't matter how far in the arena you were, then you are punished without being able to matchmake for a while totally sucks 😔

[marsh portal]

How am i supposed to beat enter the arena missions if it keeps crashing each time🤦‍♂️

[karmic tide]

Please do not allow arena to match me with a bot from the start against full teams of people. I'd rather wait or just not match at all than get matched with a bot

[woven river]

Why can’t I start matching with my friends

[fast crescent]

Not only are bot teammate terrrible but somtimes they'll malfunction and sell all their perks and refresh all their money until they only have 1 perk thats not even leveled up.................

[peak garden]

Arena anyone?

[karmic tide]

I've played a lot of Arena, all solo queue, with 30+ 1st place finishes. Looking at the perks I would use as well as the perks by others who also finish within the top 2 teams, there are about 15 perks that are constantly used to win and the rest are just bad by comparison. Hard Hitter, brick wall, blade and shield, brawn and brain, come at me (the critical strike one) thorns, vampirism, the rare one that gives like 40/60/100% dmg and knockback when enemy at high hp, cement shoes, gold weight, the giant size one, the devilish one where you take 50% of ally dmg and do more dmg when high hp, epic rocket missiles, legendary batarang. I may be forgetting one or two but that's about it. Future balance changes should nerf these and buff other perks to encourage a wider variety of setups.

[last furnace]

Lmk

[karmic tide]

Please stop allowing arena to match you with a bot from the start. I'm going to have to just stop playing this mode at all because it's a 50% chance it's just a waste of 30 minutes. It's a shame because this mode is fun.

[fast crescent]

Ran into this same problem. Had 4 ppl in a lobby including myself ready to search for an Arena game, but matchmaking wouldn't even allow the search. Seems we're only allowed 1 friend per lobby when searching for a match. I understand that may be to prevent cheating the system but it seems self-defeatist to discourage players from playing w their friends.

[woven river]

thx

[lone cloud]

Becuase of random people whatever you were going to solo or something else i don't think so it's worth of solo

I know it's just annoying

[lone cloud]

Idk they somes it might be shown as leaverbot

I thought they updated it

[lone cloud]

Not sure if it was only nerfed

[lone cloud]

Sometimes it might be rage quit or bad teams i guess

or bad characters

[karmic tide]

Another arena match with a bot teammate from the very beginning vs a few teams of 2 real ppl. I really hope this is changed in the next patch

[lone cloud]

Yeah it's takes longer idk

[karmic tide]

So there is an Arena leader board for the top 100. Is there any way for people not in the top 100 to see their Arena Points or rank so they know how close they are?

[tardy basalt]

Super enjoyed this game mode idk if the dev of this mode is in here but I’ll be playing arena till it shuts down

[coarse kindle]

Me too.

[karmic tide]

You can still be matched from the start with a bot teammate vs teams of actual people. There is zero reason this shouldn't have been fixed with the season 5 patch. I can't imagine why this game failed

[coarse kindle]

Silly question. Can we see our arena score for those who aren’t on the leaderboard.

[wintry atlas]

Arena anyone

[trail herald]

Does anyone know how many 1st places you need to get 5 stars on the badge?

[tender flume]

50

[trail herald]

Wow, thanks for the info.

[north palm]

im convinced embrace the elements and heroic landing were not playtested

[north palm]

please fix the perks pfg. this is unsufferable to play when it really shouldn't be. anytime a person goes embrace the elements the lobby is ruined/unplayable.

[tardy basalt]

Anyone up running

[karmic tide]

They won't fix anything. MVS motto from the start has been do everything half assed and barely test anything

[steel patio]

Doing arena mode for the first time for the new Rick skin and man this mode sucks with the perks

[vital girder]

In queue for Arena rn. Not sure how many others are but I'm chillin in there

[vital girder]

In there again if anyone else is queued up

[fast fjord]

I’m ngl the mode is still fun and I still love playing it but pls nerf embrace elements and hot foot

I don’t see it in every arena I’m in but once some1 gets the 2 perks they’re basically unstoppable and the others don’t have a chance.

[uneven ibex]

Guys I need a arena Team member

[uneven ibex]

Thx for helping

[cerulean kraken]

💀

[proper sparrow]

No one ever uses arena

[fresh gyro]

I run ts

[cerulean kraken]

🤡

[fresh gyro]

I would smoke you during beta bud don’t clown me ever again

[cerulean kraken]

🤡 🍼

[fresh gyro]

bet you were an iron giant player huh

[snow snow]

Ummmm, so is the game gonna be playable b4 the Arena mode ends? Not sure where to ask this, just joined the server. I didn’t get to finish the last few tasks for the Jason Variable Reward. It was working days ago, but it hasn’t since then.

[cerulean kraken]

<@&882349260409032746> He sent it in every channel