#THE ETERNAL CHOIR (Buffed Forum Gauntlet)

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potent pike
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This is an idea I've had in my head for a while, mainly regarding an AU of mine, but basically; what if the High Halls gauntlet had enemies from all across the Citadel? (Including The Slab, because why not.)
It'd be way longer, featuring every enemy you can encounter within the Citadel's walls, likely divided into groups of waves focused on each area.
Of course, Clawmaidens would be ever-present, if you didn't deal with their nest.
I'm not sure in what order the wave groups would be presented in, but the general idea for each group would be...

High Halls (starting waves)
Choristor, Reed, Envoy, Choir Bellbearer, Minister, Maestro, Choir Clapper

Choral Chambers
Choir Pouncer, Choir Hornhead, Choir Flyer, Choir Elder, Choir Bellbearer, Choristor, Envoy, Reed, Grand Reed

Whispering Vaults
Choir Flyer, Choir Hornhead, Choir Elder, Choir Pouncer, Vaultkeeper, Scrollreader, Lampbearer, Vaultborn

Cogwork Core
Cogworker, Cogwork Crawler (?), Cogwork Spine (?), Cogwork Choirbug, Cogwork Cleanser, Cogwork Defender, Cogwork Clapper

Underworks
Underworker, Underscrap, Undersweep, Underpoke, Underloft, Undercrank, Cogwork Underfly (?), Cogwork Hauler

Whiteward
Dreg Husk, Dregwheel, Surgeon, Mortician, probably some others

Memorium
Choristor, Reed, Envoy, Choir Bellbearer, Memoria, Rhinogrund, various Memorium enemies

The Slab
Penitent, Puny Penitent, Scabfly, Guardfly, Wardenfly, Choirstor, Reed

an idea i had that'd require more work would be having a twisted, single Cogwork Dancer between Choral Chambers and Cogwork Core? forcibly put back together and tasked with your destruction. it is alone, and any beauty once held in this cogwork husk has been lost. it is a disgrace to and mockery of life itself.

ALSO!! with all the extra enemies, I figured maybe the player could get backup from both Shakra AND Garmond+Zaza? perhaps Second Sentinel, too. maybe even Green Prince, though that's more work, since he doesn't have an NPC moveset, and his battle moveset wouldn't work as an NPC moveset, I feel.

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basically the bare minimum would be

  • greatly extended HHG
  • Shakra and Garmond+Zaza can be called in for help (their arrivals would be staggered)
    then any additional things (if someone wants to) would be
  • Cogwork Husk (working name subject to change if someone has a more visceral name) mid-gauntlet boss
  • Second Sentinel as an ally
  • Green Prince as an ally
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THE ETERNAL CHOIR (Buffed Forum Gauntlet)

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i think each segment of the gauntlet would have ~10 waves? so thats um

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...about 80 waves??

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(counting stuff like this as one wave.)

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mighty hull
potent pike
mighty hull
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80 waves sounds like hell and im doing it npcless

potent pike
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respect tbh

potent pike
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as for the order they arrive in...

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probably

  1. Shakra
  2. Second Sentinel
  3. Garmond & Zaza
  4. Green Prince
mighty hull
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I feel like Second Sentinel would make sense first with how close they are to the Forum fight

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Garmond being next makes sense because he is also relatively close but would probably take longer to arrive

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Shakra and Green Prince could go either way though

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But would Green Prince be inaccessible after talking to him in Cogwork Core (when he leaves the Citadel)?

potent pike
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...maybe an added interaction in Memorium?

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prerequisites would be, like
obviously his previous encounters.
clearing the breakable wall at memorium entrance (to clear the way for him to get there)

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then rest at any bench not in memorium

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and he'll move to the top of the verdania room

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crouching down next to the dead Leaf Roller on the platform

potent pike
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🍀 "Verdanian environment exceeded... Destined to forget..." Of course. Of course...
🧵 I take it, then, that this section of the Citadel's Memorium was dedicated to the lands you once ruled?
🍀 ...Yes. Much like the dancers, it is a mockery of what once was. Our clovers once grew tall and large, and our lands were once populated by many species.
🍀 But now, this shameful imitation is all that remains of our once-verdant caverns... This Citadel never ceases with its mockery, it seems.

🧵 If I may ask, where were your clover caverns located, when you and your lover still reigned free?
🍀 I couldn't tell you what the region looks like now. I've refused to set foot there since my imprisonment.
🍀 But there was once a lake, just beyond our borders, and beyond that lake stretched fertile land for farming... Before the Citadel tore it all away, we had a deal of sorts with the neighbouring lands. Exchanged our goods for theirs.
🍀 How long ago, that was, now...

🍀 Please, leave me be. I wish to grieve alone.

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something like this, perhaps

mighty hull
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Tuff

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So tuff

scarlet crow
potent pike
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my main thing then would be that im just not very good at design LOL

scarlet crow
potent pike
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no i mean Game Design

scarlet crow
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Oh ok

potent pike
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in terms of like

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Graphics

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it's literally just the forum room

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LOL

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it wouldnt even be a new gauntlet i'd just be editing the existing one

scarlet crow
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Yeah. I thought you were revamping the look

potent pike
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the real difficulty would be the NPC allies

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getting Shakra & Garmond to be able to assist you both at once, adding Second Sentinel to that lineup

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and then Green Prince would be a whole thing

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can Architect do any of that??

potent pike
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like tbh.
ideally the memorium encounter would be forced between the dancers arena encounter & the verdania encounter?

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since uh.

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green prince doesn't really... hint to you

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at all

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where verdania is

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._.

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its kinda a Problem tbh, he just vanishes and never tells you where to go for Verdania

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but yeah ig for this mod id need

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the ability to do the following

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  • edit and massively extend an existing gauntlet (bare minimum)
  • edit flags and positions for npcs that are already in-game (so i can have shakra & garmond+zaza both available)
  • how the fuck would i edit the gauntlet to stagger npc arrivals
  • also i need to make a list of the priority of different npcs so their arrivals can be staggered
  • the ability to add second sentinel as an npc outside the room and to have it join the arena fight

then the following would be harder i think

  • edit green prince's questline to inject an interaction in memorium between the cogwork dancers arena and his final location in act 3
  • add him as an npc outside The Forum and have him be capable of joining the fight
  • make an npc battler of the green prince (a-la the other three) and have him fight as part of the gauntlet
  • add a custom miniboss to the gauntlet, based on a cogwork dancer, but with custom sprites
mighty hull
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I'm really interested in that Cogwork Dancer

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Apart from the sprite changes, what differences would it have from the usual two?

potent pike
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still has the occasional moment where it tries to join with its lover in the middle... but there is no lover, and it soon corrects itself to target you.

mighty hull
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Sounds tuff

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I think it'd certainly be an enjoyable fight

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What if you gave it clover dancers tornado attack when it went to the middle?

potent pike
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i'd probably wanna do smth else.

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this isn't closer to the original; it's further.

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perhaps some sort of big spinning blade attack?

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the blades having been shoved into its mechanisms during the "repair".

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i imagine its eyes flickering whenever it moves, but being off by default. they turn on fully when it moves to meet its lover... for but a moment.

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the last vestiges of the other prince's soul still residing in the cogwork.

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in general, it's characterised much differently

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whereas the cogwork dancers were plastic beauty, stolen culture from a now lost land scrubbed clean of anything the citadel would consider undesirable or unwanted

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this thing is the facade pulled back to reveal the truth.

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beneath the mask of stolen beauty, scrubbed of anything not deemed attractive by the citadel

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is a hideous cogwork beast

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a disgrace, a mockery, to what once was

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it's less accurate to the dancers, but more accurate to the true nature of its creation... even if it was crafted by one of the dancers himself

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this thing could be the final boss of the gauntlet tbh

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and i'd want it to have a special interaction with green prince, too

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all your other allies back out of the fight when this thing comes out

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exhausted from fighting so long

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but green prince fights with full strength

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and when the cogwork monster goes to the middle... green prince joins it

mighty hull
potent pike
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yeah. i imagine, like t.lord and cloth, the fight has a scripted ending if you have green prince with you.
...green prince doesnt die, of course, but. yeah

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the cogwork beast goes to the middle, eyes shining
green prince joins it there, both locking hands... there's just the briefest moment of peace between the two.

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and then, green prince cuts through the cogwork beast.

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it does the cogwork dancer death animation

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and falls apart

mighty hull
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Masterpiece

potent pike
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actually. nah, no cogwork dancer death animation for the special death.
it just freezes in place... then falls apart.

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it gets the cogwork dancer death animation if green prince isn't there to finish it off

mighty hull
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Ts seems like itd be so fun to go through

potent pike
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im much better at ideas than i am game design i fear, but maybe i'll give this a go someday, or find some peeps to help make it real.

mighty hull
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I wanna learn to code at some point so if i do id be glad to help out

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But dont count on it