#ai massive acceleration over player

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marble cape
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on restarts, the ai seem to just have a gear that u don’t have and im seeing this everywhere. they blow me out of the water. they also seem to be much faster entering onto the track merging from pit road. i’m using a logitech g29 so i don’t know if that correlates with a problem. i also don’t like the gear ratios and specifically the fact that you start in first gear on restarts i think that might be apart of it

inland shuttle
marble cape
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i’m still having the problem post putting my settings to overshoot 100

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just a bug

inland shuttle
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Huh

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Well, shoot

marble cape
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yea not a clue i’m not even thinking it’s the car or the setting just gotta be the ai

limber shore
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It's 100% the AI, I've had this problem no matter what I've changed

inland shuttle
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Yeah, it is

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The ai also drive lines in game that are impossible to replicate

limber shore
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Been dealing with this for 15+ hours KEKW

inland shuttle
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Phoenix is the WORST offender

limber shore
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TRUE

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Or any superspeedway

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(I mean for the restart speed), the pheonix line is fine for me but I've only raced Pheonix in the ARCA car

marble cape
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i get dogged at north wilkesboro and bristol too

limber shore
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YEP

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Same

marble cape
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nw deadass impossible

limber shore
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I just set Incident Frequency really low so I'm not getting enough cautions to constantly lose positions

inland shuttle
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Someone create a ticket over that issue, cause I don’t feel like typing it all out, plus, @limber shore @marble cape you both seem to know about this issue a lot better than me

limber shore
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Do they have tickets here in the server or is it a "go through support" thing?

marble cape
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where and how do i do that

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this is deadass the only thing that bothers me in this game

limber shore
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Even Heat 5 didn't have this problem and the AI was still slightly faster than you on restarts in that game

marble cape
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right

inland shuttle
marble cape
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it’s like the glitch where if u bump draft u get slow on restarts but its every single one

limber shore
marble cape
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yep

limber shore
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I'll work on my post in a bit, gotta get some clips of it KEKW

marble cape
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csnt even make one says i need a tag i don’t use discord enough to even know what the hell that is

knotty berry
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Change your throttle overshoot to 100 and it should help a lot

marble cape
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already tried that

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didn’t do a thing

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it’s an ai issue

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they get through gears everywhere better

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even getting off pit road and merging

inland shuttle
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Ohhhh, so they have better gearing than the player?

limber shore
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Yeah once you hit 2nd gear, you're instantly many miles slower

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The acceleration is even when it starts you in 1st gear, but you have to shift, so then that acceleration just gets wasted

marble cape
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yes

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and i don’t know why the hellnit starts u in 1st

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i couldn’t tell u a single time i’ve ever needed first gear

limber shore
marble cape
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i made a new post

limber shore
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I think they start the AI in first so the player just gets treated as an AI car before they give you control

marble cape
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which i guess makes sense but that still leaves us with the issue that the ai just go through gears quicker

limber shore
marble cape
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u also bog out at certain rpms

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like h csnt even hit 8k

limber shore
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I've tried all of the settings changes, and different pedals. I'm using T-LCM's with a decently large throttle deadzone

marble cape
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same

limber shore
inland shuttle
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Sounds like they need to recode how ai handle the gears then

marble cape
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agreed

limber shore
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Or just give us a boost for a bit on the first lap

marble cape
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atleast iracing gives a shot tho

limber shore
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I'd be fine with that

marble cape
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they will fix it most likely atleast i hope lmao otherwise it’s cooked

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far better off with iracing than the morons we had with nascar 21

limber shore
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I thought it might just be a career mode problem, but it's every AI race

limber shore
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I bought 21 for $2 on G2A and it's still not worth that

marble cape
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i was super pleased with how quick they patched the FFB

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that’s actually hilarious lmaooo

limber shore
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Same, I didn't really need the patch, but it's so much better now

inland shuttle
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Well considering how they’re using this as a pipeline, and listening to the community, it’ll get fixed sooner rather than later

limber shore
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Performance sucks on PS5 slim though, I'll be purchasing a Steam copy in a month anyways

marble cape
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yea if i had a better pc id be doing the same shit but not the end of the world on a ps5

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still runs phenomenal

limber shore
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I can't run Cockpit view because frames drop to about 30 if I guess by how it feels

marble cape
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i’m just happy i can actually run different lines and i don’t have to rip the train that is the bottom of every nascar heat 5 track

limber shore
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Using the rearview mirror in other views tanks frames too

limber shore
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The game is amazing, only a few minor problems

marble cape
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right just sucks we day 2 of “launch” and we ain’t there yet

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guess the game isn’t technically out

limber shore
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I have to adjust my AI settings, I'm always saving more tire than the AI even if I push to the lead

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They'll see the problems, we just need more schizos complaining about it Kappa

marble cape
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what u been putting the ai on

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for skill

limber shore
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Let me open the game, I have skill on 100 for sure

marble cape
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104 is where i’m at for when u have a competitive ride or a quick race

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105 genuinely feels impossible

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when ur on 105 no matter how good u run in qualifying the mfs in front have like a second better lap

limber shore
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Skill: 100
Range: 50
Stability: 10
Recovery: 20
Consistency: 50
Incidents: 40
Tire Wear and Fuel: 50
Impact Forces: 30

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Apparently my overshoot on throttle is set to 50

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Thanks game

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I'll try out 104 when I get my Truck upgraded, I just unlocked truck series season

marble cape
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as much as i wanna play career i don’t enjoy not only have shit equipment but the restarts makes it hard

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i have it on full realism

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whatever the setting is

limber shore
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I just lower the difficulty until my car is upgraded OME

marble cape
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i’d put it low ai but i wanna actually play the game

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makes me feel like i achieved sum when i win finally

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yk

limber shore
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Yeah I get it, but this is the way every career mode in NASCAR games has been (Or any racing game just about)

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Dirt to Daytona was even more of an annoying grind, but at least you got money multipliers for difficulty and race length in that game

marble cape
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100 percent

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atleast until the bugs fixed im just gonna learn some of these tracks tho

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not like there ain’t a lot of different a new things we got to mess with

limber shore
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True

limber shore
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Okay so being wrecked on restarts was still a problem with Overshoot set to 100%, BUT it was less than when I set it to 0%

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Still terrible gearing compared to the AI

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But of course this introduces the question as to what Overshoot actually does, does it act as an upper deadzone for throttle input or is does it cause throttle input to be processed differently? Doesn't help that the descriptions of every in game setting suck and aren't described in a clear cohesive manner

inland shuttle
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^^^

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They basically use terminology that no one but the most knowledgeable driver can understand

limber shore
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Not even that, NO GAME USES "OVERSHOOT" as a setting name

inland shuttle
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Also, I noticed something with the stability assist. It SLOWS YOUR CORNER SPEED DOWN

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NO ASSIST SHOULD BE A DETRIMENT

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NOT AT AN EXTREME SCALE

limber shore
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To be fair, some assists will naturally be slower like Traction Control. TC will prevent you from going so fast that you lose traction

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In this game having that little bit of grip loss while still controlling the car is pretty important for maximum speed

inland shuttle
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Well in this game, you NEED stability assist, or you’re just gonna be driving on ice

limber shore
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Idk if you're on controller or not, which would be understandable then, but I'm on wheel without assists and don't have an issue

inland shuttle
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I’m on controller

limber shore
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Okay yeah I can see assists needing some tuning then

inland shuttle
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Even just 15% takes me a quarter of a second off pace with the terrible steering it introduces with the assist

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I have a clip of me at 35% on controller

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But ps won’t upload it to the damn app

limber shore
inland shuttle
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It was just fine yesterday

limber shore
inland shuttle
limber shore
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Yeah, definitely needs some work

inland shuttle
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Yeah racing with no stability control on controller is impossible

limber shore
inland shuttle
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You just

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Can’t

limber shore
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I mainly just get loose at short tracks that have low grip like Martinsville, North Wilkesboro or Richmond. Other tracks occasionally, but no where near all of them

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I guess your only solution is to tweak AI settings to match your times with your assists

inland shuttle
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Yeah this game is impossible both ways unless I turn the ai down

limber shore
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Well at least it gives you more room for a challenge

inland shuttle
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This game requires a wheel to play at max difficulty

limber shore
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They did have the goal of making the AI hard so it makes sense

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First one could be skill issue on the first shift, but you shouldn't need ABSOLUTELY perfect shifts to stay with the pack on a restart

inland shuttle
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Well I’m using automatic

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Even then

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My shifts should be equal to the AI

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Right? @limber shore

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Or is that not the case

limber shore
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In theory, yes, I'm not sure if the AI is treated separately

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This issue actually comes from an iRacing AI issue, the AI wouldn't necessarily always be faster on the green flag, but they'd be really fast at the beginning of the run and then their tires would fall off faster than the player which leads to catching up to the field, later in the run

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Man I can't type properly today

marble cape
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@inland shuttle automatic transmission works fine for the most part the ai are still fast but i only lose half a nose to the car next to me. that’s the fix i’ve got for now until it’s patched.

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maybe manual on road courses but idk

tender halo
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DO NOT USE OVERSHOOT for any settings unless you know EXACTLY what you are doing. As mentioned many times already, to prioritize starts / restarts, this needs to remain on 100. We are actually considering REMOVING this setting because it can cause unintended issues when improperly set

inland shuttle
nocturne ivy
inland shuttle
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Still, the fact they accelerate faster even with overshoot on max is frustrating

misty cloud
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I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but I was having this issue the first 2 days, made it almost unplayable, I tried every slider, I reset everything to default, changed the assists or whatever to normal, then changed my controller settings to precision and then put the Ai difficulty at 105 and I’m golden, no more restart problems. Idk if anything I did helped but, something worked.

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I also hate using assists for anything, but I’m scared to change anything now. I’m still competitive with AI at 105 like this though.