#IP2 on the following round

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cinder vault
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Should the opponent of the player with an IP2 be told of the penalty before or after the start of game procedure?

I'm asking as it may influence their decision on going 1st or second and I don't see this written in any of the documentation.

idle sinew
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An IP2 from eg a deck check?

cinder vault
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Or some other infraction that happened during the round and the penalty is issued in between games

idle sinew
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(sorry for phone pic)
For deck checks, we are ideally swooping at step 6, returning decks, and asking them to essentially repeat step 6. In the same way that we don't allow players to re-sideboard after a deck check, I would say that the choice of 1st or 2nd has already been locked in.

woven cairn
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what about for a t8 deck check though?

idle sinew
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For an IP that happens between rounds (how?) I would say that, if they won the dice roll, they are entitled to that information beforehand. I don't have anything to point at for this distinction other than gut.

For t8 deck checks, this seems like the kind of situation that we try to avoid by checking in swiss before the cut, per recommendations

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I could see an argument that there is equity in applying the IP at the same point,.so that they can't alleviate a penalty slightly by choosing the less bad choice, but it seems like you're stuck in a situation where you are scrambling to fix something downstream from the initial deviation (checking in top 8, but also before presenting decks)

cinder vault
drowsy spear
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I’m in the camp that the opponent should be made aware of the penalty during starting game procedure

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Much like Scott I don’t have much to support this view. Just feels correct

violet spoke
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Same camp ^
Gut feeling has me leaning on start of game procedure