#Contract and Mask of Recurring Nightmares

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midnight vault
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So let's say Nuu attacks with Leave no Witnesses and in reactions pitches a chi to activate Mask of Recurring Nightmares. The defending hero chooses to banish a red card from their hand. Does Nuu complete the contract and gain a silver since the mask is what caused the defending hero to choose and banish a card?

torpid tree
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The defending hero is the one who banished the card, not Nuu, so the contract is not completed

midnight vault
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Alright that's kind of what I was thinking with the wording on mask just wanted to be sure

modest blade
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Also the language in the 8.5.39a would indicate that "if another player performs the actions... they..." they is referencing the other player who is not the bearer of the contracted condition would not be able to complete the contract producing silver for themselves. Least that is how the setup of the commas and sentence structure indicates.

solemn roost
torpid tree
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Mask causes them to banish a card, it does cause you to banish a card. Your effect banishes the card, but they're the one picking and banishing

modest blade
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Interesting so because the opponent has a choice of what they possibly could banish to it, it fails to complete the contract. Despite them being under your effect and you inflicting them with the condition, or regardless of it being the only subsequent option remaining in hand.

torpid tree
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Yes, the effect instructs Nic to banish a card from their hand, contracts are looking for Tyler to banish a card of Nic's, but if Nic is the one banishing a card then it wasn't Tyler who banished it

modest blade
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Hmmm maybe, I'd like them to have included a rules reprise or explanation of this in the release notes as presently it's not simple.

torpid tree
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8.5.39a explains it already. If the player who is contracted performs the actions specified by the contract, they complete the contract. This directly implies that if they don't perform the action they do not complete the contract from that action being performed.

modest blade
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Well hopefully the rules reprise so it can properly explained. They did it with Tokens being considered cards for the purpose of making Maxx playable.

torpid tree
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That was a change to the rules. The rules on contract have not changed

modest blade
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A clarification would be nice then lol. I'm not arguing that Kano off the top doesn't trigger contract. Because Kano can't play contract nor are they contracted to banish cards. Mask seems like it needs a statement they've done it in the past Maxx was simply the first example I could think of

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Also presently this is counter to nasty surprise interaction with pummel or codex inertia/frailty too

solemn roost
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It is not a counter to those.

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The effect is still the opponents effect. The Action taken is done by the player.

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You're stuck in a loop of conflating who owns the effect and who takes the action when they are independent.

modest blade
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All good man as I stated I'd like a rules reprise.

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I accept the consensus

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Didn't put those two together so thank you for pointing it out 😂