Let’s say Tyler and Nik and sideboarding, Tyler presents their deck and Nik asks “how many cards are you presenting?”
Tyler, somewhat confused answers the amount their presenting, Nik then uses that information and sideboard more cards.
What’s the legality of this and penalty if they’re warned and/or do this again
#question about deck information during sideboarding
fathom condor
broken sequoia
Investigation but i woudl go in to that player intentionaly do this and break a rules.
Warned or do it again mean 100% that they intentionaly break the rules.
Intentional break of rules is cheating. For cheating there is only one penalty - DQ
acoustic cliff
PPG 06/22, 4.6 Presenting Card Error covers this situation.
Ex. Stop the sideboarding, if player committing the infraction has under the number of cards for a legal deck, the opponent gets to sideboard for them.
broken sequoia
PPG 06/22, 4.6 Presenting Card Error covers this situation.
I don't see anything covering that topic in this point.
acoustic cliff
In all cases, issue the player a Warning. During any procedure listed here the player can not request the public information (e.g. the number of cards in the opponent’s deck) and they cannot remove or exchange any legal cards they’ve presented. This is to prevent them from gaining a strategic advantage based on the current game state and public information they should not have at this point in the game.
broken sequoia
Player can't ask about public information during resolving sytuation. Like when they need to add cards to deck they can't ask about number of cards in opponent presented deck.
It isn't about asking opponent about represented deck before representing their deck.
broken sequoia
Ex. Stop the sideboarding, if player committing the infraction has under the num...
Also never opponent decide about sideboard. If we have less cards player decide about added cards
If the deck presented (before the game starts) has less than the minimum number of cards required for that format, the player chooses a number of cards from their sideboard that would increase their deck up to the minimum number of cards
acoustic cliff
It depends with this infraction as Nic has gained information in Tyler's presented deck. If Nic does not already have a 60 card deck minimum ready then we're at ambiguous card state.
I agree with the default setting if it was Nic not asking the question and presenting a 59 card deck to resolve as written.
But in this example if Nic had not presented but gained information they weren't allowed to while not completing their sideboard. I would evaluate the ambiguous situation (assuming Comp REL) rather than the short deck situation.