drums for all cars

[chrome wraith]

exept wolf

[thick fable]

i sent him models he been lazy

again

[covert dune]

I want a Niv with just drums

[red lagoon]

i want rear drum brakes on my chad!!!

[maiden stag]

i think the original niv was with disc-brakes only, but i can be in error there

and what do you want drumbrakes for?

lol

they're old and less reliable than disc brakes

[thick fable]

should be rear drums

[thick fable]

wouldnt agree with that they work just fine, and last longer

[covert dune]

For a work vehicle they are quite adequate. For a racer? Not so much.

[round kettle]

who actually like working on drum brakes irl lmao there annoying. drums take forever to come off sometimes. when you get the drum off the shoe either falls out or the springs snap

[thick fable]

never had those issues and drums to me are a lot easier to work on xd

[round kettle]

personally i like calipers IRL soo easy to do. yet again some vehicles definitly are annoying specially when you have to take the hub off just to change a rotor. 2011 chev colorado 4x4 for referance. still easy to do but annoying. also has drums rear tho

[potent bolt]

you do know rear drum brakes works better the disks in the rear of cars

[round kettle]

your not completely correct. rear brakes only have to handle 20-40% of braking drum brakes don't dissipate heat well and disks do but the advantage of drum brakes is there cheaper to do since you can also build the parking brake into them

disadvantage of drum brakes is you can get brake lag if they over heat and they also dont get rid of heat quick so if your going downhill and your braking alot you might start having (brake lag) forget the actual term

[whole hawk]

Thats why you don’t hold the brakes down you instead use them in bursts

[round kettle]

yeah guess you could just do the samething i do in big rigs

[whole hawk]

Yeah

You a truck driver?

[round kettle]

nope but mechanic

[whole hawk]

Fair

I am think about doing hgv mechanics as a career

[round kettle]

i have a class 3 thinking of going into trucking but have a undeveloped right eye lol

[round kettle]

your body will be destroyed before you get married lmao

[whole hawk]

You could say that about most blue collar jobs

[round kettle]

very true. if your young and like working on reg cars. heavy duty may be worth it but id suggest just doing auto tech

[whole hawk]

Alright

[potent bolt]

same whit disc brakes in the rear but but disc brakes is good

[round kettle]

disc brakes are opened to airflow therefore cool down significantly quicker

[potent bolt]

yes i know but if you dont have realy good disc brakes they going to fail as the drums do

[round kettle]

so yes disk brakes are good

drum brakes do work better i believe because they do create alot more friction on the drum them a disc on a rotor but the way i drive id much more desire disc brakes

[potent bolt]

and drum brakes have better hand brake then disc brakes

[potent bolt]

yes but to days after market disc brakes are rely good

[round kettle]

not really. disc brakes have a drum built in behind the rotor for park brake

[potent bolt]

yes but they are bader and fail alot on newer cars

[round kettle]

fair yea. but thats because most people leave the park brake sit and rot too long then the cable snaps or the hardware rots out

[potent bolt]

yes thats trhue i hade a 55 chevy whit disc all around and it worked good they wher from bmw m5

[round kettle]

in my jeep i had a axle seal leak and took my ebrake right out lol oop

[potent bolt]

yes dont mater then if it is disc ore drums it will do so it fail oil on brakes is newer good

[thick fable]

1961 gaz21, 4 wheel manual drum brakes, plus parking brake as drum brake on trans

hasnt had any braking issues and brakes work better on it than anything

russian magic i guess

[potent bolt]

yes mopar hade drum on trans to in the 50 early 60 and some new rw has it in the 80-90 it works some times

[thick fable]

iv found my parking brake to be reliable af

never had an issue with it

havent had any freezing issues either due to being next to engine

[potent bolt]

but you know usa cars drips oil from transmisson all the time and that gets in the drum so but when they work it works better then a regular hand brake

[thick fable]

i think you havent seen gaz21s

they always leak something, usually oil from rear main that gets everywhere

[potent bolt]

no not in irl

desoto 60 is fun to work on the brakes they hav 2 brake cylinders for each wheel

[thick fable]

i have 2 cylinders on front brakes, 1 cylinder on rear

[potent bolt]

ok close to the same then but when you get them brake right they work better then disc brakes

[thick fable]

easy to work with them tho

and never any issues

[undone grove]

Mh... I do believe drums for all cars that had them are a good idea, but we should still keep the brake discs as well. Although making them more expensive and give em' better performance could balance things out. This way, we could still keep disc brakes for performance versions of our cars, but still have drum brakes for cheap vehicles

[thick fable]

iv sent drum for chad based cars to mb along with b200 2wd axle

he been busy (and probably lazy)

[undone grove]

Most likely busy

You're the lazy one here

Your description says so, silly

:p

[thick fable]

nah thats another guy not me

[undone grove]

I beg to differ

[thick fable]

thats an imposter

[chrome wraith]

who

ban

[low sonnet]

Hot take. I can change break pads in under 5 minutes on my wrangler in the front. Over 15 for the back because it always fucking rusts and I need to bang on it.

[low sonnet]

Yeah but ABS is a thing

[whole hawk]

I don’t think abs stops your brakes from overheating

[thick fable]

you also need to change pads more often soo

hell i got brake shoes that are probably 40 years old with a shit ton of miles that still got a ton of life left 😂

russian magic i guess

[potent bolt]

No they can still over heat and warp the discs whit abs

[whole hawk]

I know i said that the breaks can still overheat with abs

@potent bolt

[potent bolt]

yes i saw that did replay wrong messege

[whole hawk]

alright

[potent bolt]

soory for that

[whole hawk]

its all good

[chrome wraith]

[normal maple]

😫

[acoustic lake]

In what world would you rather fight an hour with the pain in the ass springs rather than just unbolt a caliber and slip it out lmao

I swear whoever made the drum brakes just did that just to be an ass

Literal devil incarnate lol

[potent bolt]

when they did drum brakes ther was no disc brakes so and no its not hard to work whit drum brakes it can be more pain to do disc brakes some times

[thick fable]

honestly i have had more of a fight with disc brakes, due to rusted bolts, or rounded bolts, or stuck slide pins or whatever else

pistons not wanting to go in etc

but everyone has their own reasons to like/not like discs, or drums....or get whacked in the face with a flying spring

[chrome wraith]

dude tell me abt it

i once was working on this rusted to hell 2012 chevy volt and i couldn’t get the pins out

pads were also to the metal

[thick fable]

eh thats nothing

i have found a mouse where a brake pad used to be..

[chrome wraith]

im assuming it was dead...?

[acoustic lake]

Just because disc brakes weren't a thing back then doesn't mean it's not hard to work with them. Besides, drum brakes are still made on the rear on some smaller front wheel drives because they're cheaper.

[acoustic lake]

Never had a problem with disc brakes myself, but the amount of times I had to fight to get the drum off or the numerous springs or the shitty clips that hold the shoes in I can't even count lol

[potent bolt]

and i newer hade a problem whit drumbrakes if you know how to work whit them you dont need to have problems but disbrakes always fights when working whit them

[acoustic lake]

I guess you don't live somewhere where rust occurs if you've never had a stuck drum and the springs are weak or something lol

[potent bolt]

yes but its harder to work on disc brakes if you live ther they rust so you clerly dont live ther it is rust

[acoustic lake]

Bruh, I live in Finland, salt roads every winter and right next to sea

[potent bolt]

ok then you shuld now how bad disc brakes are

[acoustic lake]

Brake bolts never rust that badly, though I haven't worked on cars older than 2000s

Always come right out

Cars are also generally better maintained here as we have strict yearly inspections so that might be why

[potent bolt]

they do allot on disc brakes so you clery to yung ore you dont do much works on cars

[acoustic lake]

Never had seized brake caliber bolts, pins, calibers or pistons. Sure some pins a little sticky, nothing a little grease can't fix. I do hate the sway bar end link design where the ball joint is essentially a ball with a thread with a small allen key slot on the end. You're supposed to be able to stop the ball from spinning inside with that but if you have any rust it's just gonna round off. Always have to cut them out with a grinder. Did that yesterday

[potent bolt]

you one of them thats got lucky then

[acoustic lake]

I work on cars quite a bit, never any problems with brakes. It ain't luck. Maybe it's down to manufacturer or location. A lot of the vehicles I work on are Japanese. Had a honda that sat all winter under 2-3 feet of snow that had the brake pads rust onto the brake disc and didn't come off without breaking. Never any rusted bolts, pins or calibers though

[potent bolt]

yes i dont know but disc brakes is allways a pian to fix calipes always rust so you cant nerly get them ofon almoust all cars specily on audi they have the badest disc brakes of all cars

[acoustic lake]

Interesting how location plays such a huge role even though we use salt here in the winter and are right next to ocean as well. I'm just wondering how the drum brakes don't seize if the disc brakes do?

[potent bolt]

i dont live to far from your country

[acoustic lake]

Where are you from?

[potent bolt]

sweden

[acoustic lake]

Oh, cool! You probably still have a bunch of older Saabs around, eh? There's some around here but not too many. Pretty cool cars

[potent bolt]

no dont like saabs that much only older american cars and some older volvos

[acoustic lake]

Oh yeah, older american muscle cars are cool

And the legendary Volvo red block

Speaking of older american cars, my favourite is probably the 1970s second gen Oldsmobile 442

Though the El Camino is also really sick, my dad used to have an El Camino SS

[potent bolt]

ok what year on the el camino

[acoustic lake]

I can't remember, I'll ask him when he wakes up. There's probably still some pictures of it as well. It was that beautiful caramel/tawny brown as well

[chrome wraith]

Always loved the 442

[acoustic lake]

1984 Chevrolet El Camino SS

I should put these photos in a scanner for a cleaner picture

[potent ridge]

not just any ss thats a choo choo ss

[summer cedar]

as long as it can be swapped back to disc brakes

as a mechanic there is nothing that pisses on my day more than finding out that i have to work on drum brakes

[potent ridge]

drum brakes are nice though

the brake drum just pops off

[summer cedar]

i don't know what kind of drums you've worked on but i fucking wish

even then, all the springs and the cylinder and other BS

just

no.

[potent ridge]

oldsmobile and ford the both have just popped off the car when the wheel was pulled

the olds is a california car

but the ford is a michigan car

[summer cedar]

yeah that explains a lot

in europe you don't get as lucky because slavko's '78 golf from bosnia hasn't had a brake job done since i was born

and the drums are practically welded to the hub

[acoustic lake]

That's what I'm saying! Never had a problem with disc brakes, but this guy says he has more problems with disc brakes and calibers than drum brakes lol

[summer cedar]

yeah idk what kinda discs you gotta work on for them to be worse than any drum ever made

[acoustic lake]

I know lol. A drum brake job was the last straw for me in an already pretty shitty car mechanic school. All I ever did for the first year was wash cars and change tires. Second year they put me straight back into the bullshit that is drum brakes. One of the assistant teachers was a dick too, treated everyone like they were slow. I don't miss that school at all.

[summer cedar]

I'm lucky my school's half decent.

That's fucked ngl

[acoustic lake]

Well, it was a school for all kinds of people that couldn't do normal school, so there were slower people there. It's just that most of us were there for reasons unrelated to mental deficiencys like panic attacks etc. Regardless I don't think you should be a dick even to people with mental problems and deficiencies. One time I picked up a tool to look at it and he was like "put it back before you lose it or break it." and it was socket. You can't break those even if you threw them mach 3 ffs

[summer cedar]

how the hell do you even break a fucking socket

you'd have to really go out of your way

and even then you'd struggle unless you shoved it in a vice

or cut it with an angle grinder

[acoustic lake]

that's what I'm saying lol

Not even impacts have broken my cheap socket set but one broke with a breaker bar lol

[rustic sleet]

Dad broke 3 sockets on a subframe bolt

With a breaker bar

[summer cedar]

i mean

its kinda in the name

you're supposed to use forged sockets for that shit too

not cast

[lament ore]

From an engineering standpoint drums are ALOT simpler, and they’ve stopped cars for like 100 years

[summer cedar]

i would beg to differ

sure, calipers are technically more complicated but what it comes down to is that you basically just have fluid pushing a piston in

that piston pushes a pad against a rotating disc

thats all there is to it

and to replace pads and discs is so much simpler and easier than any drum job ever will be

and i'm taking that statement to my fucking grave

[summer cedar]

vs a drum which essentially does the same thing except its a cylinder pushing two brake shoes against the walls of the drum

which is much less efficient

not to mention that whenever you want to replace the fucking brake shoes

you gotta do a whole ass labyrinth

with them springs and shit

[lament ore]

It’s not that hard

smh..

You’re just lazy

[summer cedar]

i never said it's hard in its own right i just said its significantly harder than disc brakes

[summer cedar]

yeah i'm so lazy that i bust my ass for eight hours a day without taking lunch breaks so i can clock in overtime

[lament ore]

idc mane

Drums are dead easy

My retarded and weak ass can do it in like and hour

[summer cedar]

they would be if 99% of them weren't rusted shut to shit

[lament ore]

hammer

[summer cedar]

yeah, so can i

and yet tell me

how come

i can swap disc brakes and pads

in 20 minutes

[lament ore]

[summer cedar]

because one

is easier than the other

[lament ore]

wah wah

[summer cedar]

that's the entire point i'm making

[summer cedar]

0/10 ragebait

[lament ore]

drums are easier to install, you can get a whole brake set for em

Unbolt and throw on

[summer cedar]

yeah if you're just taking off the drum itself

[lament ore]

Plus a lot of ancient cars are 4 corner drum

[lament ore]

no?

[summer cedar]

if the drum is gone then the brake shoes are 100% gone too

[lament ore]

You can unbolt the actual whole brake

All the hardware

[lament ore]

buy drum

Buy shoes

Buy hardware kit if needed

[summer cedar]

yeah i dunno what kinda car you worked on that lets you do that

i've never been so lucky

[lament ore]

Fords

[summer cedar]

figures.

[lament ore]

Chev

And a Mopar

All allowed me to do that

All older than 1980

[summer cedar]

mopar is dead simple from what i've seen in videos but i never got the opportunity to work on one

welcome to the land of europe where german engineers love needlessly overcomplicating shit that needs to be replaced (regularly)

[lament ore]

just don’t be in Europe LOL, my bf says working on euro cars is so shit

Us stuff is so easy

[summer cedar]

average us citizen hoofing that straight retardium

[lament ore]

Wha??

[summer cedar]

idk if you were just joking or if you're ignorant

[lament ore]

I’m not..

[summer cedar]

i am genuinely

too drunk to tell

[summer cedar]

too bad i don't get to work on those

[summer cedar]

and the rust issue goes further than 'just beat it with a hammer' considering that these shitboxes genuinely rust the drum to the hub stronger than an actual weld

if i had a dollar for every time i had to use a blowtorch to pull a drum off i'd be retired

i don't know how they pull it off

[lament ore]

grinder

cut the drum in half and hope you don’t knick a spring, it’s because Europe uses more salt than the northern us states

[summer cedar]

yeah thing is most people are too fucking cheap to get new drums so we just reuse the drums most of the time

blowtorch and crowbar gets it done

[lament ore]

there’s a point where you can’t reuse em LOL if they get too thin the pads will wear a groove where you can’t pull the drum

[summer cedar]

last jackass i told that to ended up running himself into a ditch

go figure.

[acoustic lake]

I'd argue disc brakes are a lot simpler since they have less moving parts. Anyway, old working concepts doesn't mean it's better than newer stuff so that is kind of a moot point. I mean, yeah, adjustable wrenches have turned bolts and nuts a long time, but no-one really uses them anymore because we have better stuff like ratchets and impact wrenches.

[lament ore]

“Better” tools have gotten worse, all drums is is springs lol, I’d say the engineering behind 2 springs and a wheel cylinder is simpler than calipers lol

If you wear through the shoes in a drum brake system it’ll just anhihalte the drum and you can still use the wheel cylinder

it’s also, the Jason, Jesse, Bart, and Chad all had optioned 4 wheel drum brake counterparts IRL

Most weren’t all corner drum from the factory, usually front disc rear drum

[acoustic lake]

Better tools have indeed gotten worse with the chinese shit but they're still a lot better than what used to be available. Time moves on and so do tools. Moreover disc brakes are dead simple too, it is also a piston pushing on pads but instead of being inside pushing outwards it pushes inwards onto a rotating disc. Can't really get much simpler than that as far as assembly and disassembly goes. I live in scandinavia where they salt the roads heavily every winter, yet never had a problem with disc brakes but drum brakes the drums always practically weld themselves shut.

[lament ore]

Skill issue, but that’s not pertinent to the game

The games has drum era cars

But only one vehicle uses them

[acoustic lake]

You really like ragebaiting lol. Too bad it's so obvious

[lament ore]

I’m not???

I’m not tryna rage bait you lol..

[acoustic lake]

Clearly you are, calling stuck brake drums that won't come off no matter how hard you hit them a skill issue lol

[lament ore]

how…

just use a bigger hammer ffs

but guess what doesn’t have an issue with stuck drums… this game…

[acoustic lake]

20 pound sledgehammer isn't enough? What kind of hammers do you use?

[lament ore]

Poundage doesn’t matter

It’s the leverage

More leverage, more force

I can beat one off with a 3 foot monkey wrench, it’s all about leverage

also.. anything’s a hammer, but not all hammers are wrenches

[acoustic lake]

It's a sledgehammer with a three foot handle, I'm not sure I could effectively or accurately swing a longer or bigger one for that matter

They just won't come off

[lament ore]

skill issue, you’ve clearly been out skilled at welding by rust

[acoustic lake]

Meanwhile with disc brakes you just zip the bolts off and lightly tap it with a plastic hammer

[lament ore]

it’s not stuck on the shoes, it’s stuck to the axle/ spindle, just heat it up real good and it’ll come off

[lament ore]

if they use antiseize on the bolts

Or on the pins

the same issue you are describing could be fixed by putting anti seize on the surface that the drum touches the axle or spindle

[acoustic lake]

No, even without, no problem

[lament ore]

sure bud..

[acoustic lake]

Yeah, I wish. No one ever does that

[lament ore]

Even if my rust free haven if you don’t anti seize or grease the retaining pins, they aren’t comin out

moisture creeps everywhere

[acoustic lake]

I have not met brake bolts that I couldn't just zip right out so far

None of them have had any anti seize on them

[lament ore]

Even adding oil will do it

you’re supposed to, it’s in the maintenance guide

[acoustic lake]

Nah, not even that. Dry as can be

[lament ore]

You also probably work on like 2000s stuff

[acoustic lake]

well the pins obviously have lubricant but the bolts do not

Yeah

[lament ore]

Not enough time to marinade

I work on 60s-70s stuff

After 40-50 years, without antiseize, you’d be lucky even in the south for shit to unbolt

[acoustic lake]

I'm not sure how abandoned cars you work on but brake jobs are done frequently enough on cars that are driven that the bolts just come out

[lament ore]

one that sat the longest was 82, the newest was 99.

[acoustic lake]

What do you mean? The year it was manufactured or last serviced?

[lament ore]

the last time it was registered legal on the road.

[acoustic lake]

Ah, well that'll do it for sure

[lament ore]

in the US, cars are serviced well, not that often

[acoustic lake]

I wouldn't call servicing cars seldom as serviced well tbh. Around here you have yearly inspections and servicing the cars is done often. I change my oil once a year or about 3-4000km on my 99 corolla

[lament ore]

my daily hasnt had the oil changed in 6 years

over 13,000 miles

the car that sat since the early 80s...

mouse nest well above the fuel pump

[acoustic lake]

Why? Are you looking for an engine rebuild out of boredom, lol?

[lament ore]

broke

LOL

it doesnt care, its a cheap nissan

1.5 4 cyl cvt, cheapest car of 2015..

[acoustic lake]

If you got enough money to drive you can afford to change oil at least every 2 years, unless you drive like a BMW with the 200 dollar oil filters or some shit

Oil and filter was about 50 bucks for my Corolla

[lament ore]

its 20$ every 3 weeks

in gas

i have.. no job LOL, i quit my first job recently

[acoustic lake]

Why didn't you change the oil when you still had a job?

[lament ore]

because it didnt need it then smh..

i've added 2 new quarts of oil to it., it'll be fine

and rn idrc, its technically not my car LOL

this take priority in getting it home rn so..

[acoustic lake]

Damn, you're actually living the dream

[lament ore]

its 700$

[acoustic lake]

That's a steal, wtf

[lament ore]

guy doesnt want it to rot, Neither do i, so its coming home with me

i still owe 530 on it

[acoustic lake]

Around here you gotta pay like 3-4k for an american car that has basically had the bottom of the frame turn into dust

[lament ore]

average euro problems

[acoustic lake]

Yup

Over there you can also get mostly working caterpillars for either scrap value or just free... I kinda hate how there's nothing fun here and not many good deals to be had

[lament ore]

just import ig..

[acoustic lake]

Yeah lemme just pay 20k to ship something here lmao

You think I got enough coolant?

[shut oak]

#📙・chat-eng please

@lament ore you too

[lament ore]

🤓 ok dad

[potent ridge]

1997 dodge ram 1500 front left brake
Fucking nightmare to get the damn bikts out