My M10 GPS modules were working fine. I updated to 4.5-RC1 to test it out and set them up accordingly and they will not stay locked. When I go to u center through betalight's serial passthrough the sats are flashing on and off in half a second or so intervals. I can get a 3d fix after some time but my HDOP is always terrible and I can't lock more than 6/7 birds. I was locking solid on 20+
#Trouble with M10 GPS modules. Help Please.
topaz cosmos
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As long as I don't let BF Autoconfig the modules and set the buad rate to 57,600 or higher they work great.
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They are bone stock Flywoo M10 mini v3 GPS modules. 3 of them behaving the same way. I wonder why autoconfig works on my M8 but not the M10s.
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I don't know if this will help but when I am able to get descent ish GPS with the M10s and I take off, fly away until the home arrow points home, initiate RTH with a switch the quads nose bobs up and down, pretty seriously, at the same frequency it shows and looses the sats in u center. Like its loosing connection regaining it. It's bad enough to make me want to abort the test. I've got pretty strong nerves so... If I disable GPS autoconfig in BF the same test results in the quads returning home and landing within 6 feet of where they took off from every single time and, RTH flight is like butter. Even in strong winds.
fading wraith
@sinful tapir
topaz cosmos
Thanks @fading wraith
sinful tapir
Some micro gps units only get marginal signals. Do a test with a laptop and change angles and monitor the sat list.
Also gps modules need to be well away from transmitters ie VTx and RX and should be flat to horizon when flying forward if the signal from the unit is marginal. Larger ones are much better.
There is no reason why sats should come and go from an m10 with 4.5.
When you say, “set them up accordingly”, there is no setup requirement for 4.5.
Perhaps some setup change previously made is not allowing our code to configure the module properly.
Use the debug GPS connection and see what that shows.
Also confirm in status that the connection is solid and any the intended baud rate is confirmed.
Since this is unusual, no other reports, it is likely that something done to these specific modules is affecting how they connect.
topaz cosmos
@sinful tapir "When you say, “set them up accordingly”, there is no setup requirement for 4.5" Exactly! I read the GPS notes, 4.5 shouldn't need any configuration. BF is supposed to just handle it. In the early days of 4.5-Zulu when I was testing, back then BF would not auto configure an M10, and having trouble a dev logged into my computer and was looking at all my modules through U-Center. He was very interested in me because of the number of M10s I was running on different FCs. Back then M10 chips were not supported yet. He changed something but told me that 4.5 would eventually overwrite it later with autoconfig. He also did what he did, collected info, and took screen shots connecting to the modules via BF serialpassthrough. I can't remember what he did or his name but his handle had "zero" in it. I guess I need to figure out what he did and undo it but I know little about troubleshooting GPS. I just started using it when 4.4 proclaimed to have it working well. The modules work fine with autoconfig turned off. Just concerned it might be an issue later down the road. I found some other info in the forum as far as debugging GPS. What should I be looking for?
when I set ddebug mode to gps connection then exit, go to sensors, check debug only, the blue lines are all flat. refresh is 500ms
Im seeing this:UBX-NAV-PVT, Size 100, 'Navigation position velocity time solution' 5 times in the u center console
then:UBX-NAV-SAT, Size 220, 'Satellite information'
and my connected sats are steady blinking under views
@sinful tapir I just emailed Flywoo and asked for a stock config dump for this module. Hopefully they will send one.
sinful tapir
Thanks for all the info.
The gps connection debug is a bit complex.
If you set Configurator to automatically connect and auto open last tab, and make the last tab sensors, then unplug and re-plug, you should see it negotiating baud rates, then stepping through the connection phases. It’s a bit complex but explained in the notes. Once past the negotiation phases you just see the cpu being used but baud rate stays fixed.
If you set blackbox mode temporarily to always. It will log from power on and then I could see what’s happening perhaps. Remember to return blackbox mode to normal.
topaz cosmos
Does this tell you anything? Autoconfig is enabled.
That top line is pegged at 6 @sinful tapir
fading wraith
Unrelated to GSP or not but SPEEDYBEEF405V3 has some issues on Betaflight: https://github.com/betaflight/betaflight/issues/12583
More: https://github.com/betaflight/betaflight/issues?q=is%3Aissue+SPEEDYBEEF405V3+is%3Aclosed
topaz cosmos
@fading wraith Ah Ha! Just my luck. Forget it guys. It works like a champ with autoconfig off. Unless you want to try to debug it through me, LOL.
One FC is a Flywoo from the LR4 and it acts the same way. Still an F405 though @fading wraith
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topaz cosmos
Oh this is old news. I haven’t tried to log anything since 4.4.3. SD Card was working, I got em tuned and haven’t needed BB since. @fading wraith Flywoo should send a config file. I’ve never had trouble getting anything else from them. Call it on this one fellas. Thanks, the new code Rocks! Good work.
I did ask nicely
sinful tapir
@topaz cosmos my favorite album, Machinehead
I guess the gps isn’t listening to config messages so we keep trying to get responses from it. Then get stuck in auto - configuration forever. Turning auto config off in Betaflight will just let it send what it was sending. If we get what we need, all good. Sometimes using uCenter to reset to defaults can work, but tbh if it works, don’t fix it 🙂
topaz cosmos
@sinful tapir 10-4 I'm a 90's alternative rock guy. Machinehead is my favorite song but, I also have a machine head.
sinful tapir
My fav is the is Deep Purple album of that name, blues rock sort of.
topaz cosmos
@sinful tapir I've heard it, good stuff. I like a bit of everything.
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<@918291248312360980> I've heard it, good stuff. I like a bit of everything.
I play a bit of electric guitar, that kind of stuff, Hendrix, Pink Floyd and the like, just for my own fun. Used to play bass in rock and roll band in my 20’s.
topaz cosmos
@sinful tapir Got me there. I tried to pick up the guitar, wanted to badly. I've got short fat gorilla fingers. Made it real tuff. I could play backup but that's about it.
sinful tapir
Bass is great with big hands. And hard to beat the sound with a good amp. I put rickenbacker pickups on a hand-shaped body and the thing sounded amazing. Like the Who.
fading wraith
Big fan of Pink Floyd - went to some concerts - one of them was the Wall
A friend of mine has a man cave - an old record shop beneath his house - and has jamming sessions each weekend (behind that he has a real movie theater) - it's almost 40m deep
topaz cosmos
@fading wraith The first CD I ever bought when I was 14, say 1995, was Pink Floyd's Take it Back single. Didn't find the real good stuff until later. My buddy has a nice cabin on his property setup for jamming. I go over and play backup and run vocals from time to time. We have a blast.
Love a good theater setup
Have you seen that like somewhere around 115" TCL micro LED TV coming to the states soon. Talk about a great theater screen. @fading wraith
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Listening now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5rde4bRIZA
topaz cosmos
I had the live from Pompei DVD album with that good DVD quality audio. Man I about spun the foil off of it.
fading wraith
Nah he has old facion with tape reals about 80cm I guess - heave to search for exact details - with a whole rack with dolby systems etc
topaz cosmos
Music the way god entended
Now it's youtube premium and 5.1 THX surround sound. Oh how far I've fallen.
fading wraith
Agree good old analog does not have the ugly steps in digital information - have been a audiophile for many years - still have something decent but not class A - but class D to save on energy - using DJ head phones mostly now
topaz cosmos
I DJ'd in high school with a Sony pre amp/amp setup with two turn tables, a bunch of vinyl, two 15" Pioneer cabinets with two Bose 8" reference shelf speakers on top. Had a separate 18" Pioneer Sub. sure filled the gym up.
Logitech z690 THX 5.1 surround on my super computer.
now a ddays
New mechanical keyboard. I'm constantly double typing letters when i go to fast
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And my development machine right now is an Intel NUC 12th gen I7 with 1TB SAMSUNG 990 and 64GB
topaz cosmos
I'm eye balling a set of Klipse The Nines when my current speakers bite the dust if ever
An NUC?
Hey saves some space for sure
fading wraith
Don't have to dive beneath my desk any more 😝
Sits under monitor - could even attach behind my 32" monitor
fading wraith
I'm eye balling a set of Klipse The Nines when my current speakers bite the dust...
Happy with the B&W - so did not look any reviews after that - 500 euro's - something for lifetime
topaz cosmos
Yep. I'm running a 14900K under water, OC'd to the gills, 8000 MT/s G.Skill DDR5, TUF 4090. I like games too. You could put that thing anywhere. Mine is more of a tech show piece. Has to be on my desk to stroke my ego. I'm a advanced systems engineer, when I was younger, gotta have that good fast hardware.
fading wraith
O yeah looked at prices for DDR5 were double - so staying one or two generations behind - as I don't play games - I'm master on flipper 😂
fading wraith
I'm in IT whole my life - sold thousand of computers - and build a lot of them - even had 4 years in serious hardware support maintenance (Dell, Compaq, DEC, Toshiba, HP, you name it)
topaz cosmos
In relation to the speeds you can get
fading wraith
Doom, Duke Nukem 😂
topaz cosmos
You sound like me. I worked for many white box manufactures before Bigger than your average shop SIs died. in between Dell and newer style SIs. We got into government sub contracts and large cluster development for bioinformatics. Department of energy accelerator data collection, storage, caching, processing. You get the idea
fading wraith
Yes I worked for all branches that exist
topaz cosmos
A hand full of projects I still can't talk about to this day. Apologies but I helped build the first systems that were being used for Signals Intellegence herte inside the states. I was young and didn't care. Swordfish type stuff.
fading wraith
Have to abide to some NDA too
topaz cosmos
They arre slowly but surely coming to public light but a few no one has a clue.
fading wraith
Once had password for prisons nation wide - had to tell the local administrator to turn around when accessing the system - 1999
topaz cosmos
I accidentally left back doors. Ga Hmm. Caame in handy once.
Man the ghosting on this keyboard is making me nuts
Well looks like you're doing gods work now, lol.
This is my new baby @fading wraith
excuse the rainbow puke. normally I have RGB softwarre taming the light show. I avoidded that crap for ever then my new chassis side panel was so dark I couldn't see through it and I had to bite the bullet.
fading wraith
tuf is asus but you use msi mainboard? Nice display
yes leds are personal - never used them - as I'm focused on screen anyway
topaz cosmos
Yeah I bought an Apex it was bad. Returned it bought another Apex. It was bad. I returned it. I bought a MSI MAG Z790 as an in between board andd just stuck with it because it's a great board andd Asus's QC is in the toilet as far as main boards.
The Lite Load bios feature makes the 14900K run sooooooo much cooler without sacrificing performance. Has bios flashback, CPU less flashing, reset bios on the back. nearly every feature all those 800 to 1200 dollar boards I've been using andd works just as good, better IMO.
I delided it and under a Y Cruncher load it never breaks 81C. Ain't happening with an Asus board with the chip running 6.2/4.6 All core.
Not done with the sensor panel yet. I have to build or print a chassis for it but I like the position
topaz cosmos
@fading wraith @sinful tapir So I emailed Flywoo about a config export from u canter and they told me to "Ask the BF staff for help" so I replied:
Yeah I already did that. That’s why I kindly asked the manufacture of the module for something they should have or easily be able to get. By the way BF doesn’t have staff. You SOBs seem to forget that it’s an open source project. You sure don’t forget that it’s free though. You sure don’t have an issue using it on your quads for FREE!. A few support tickets to help foster innovation in the firmware and the cold shoulder is what people get. Hell this might be the only one because the devs over there are smart enough to know better than to ask anything of you. How many samples do you send to them so they can easily make sure your hardware is compatible with BF or ELRS. I know for a fact you didn’t send any RXs to the ELRS team. Pull a fucking GPS module (Flywoo M10 Mini v3 w/o compass), walk to your support bench, connect and FTDI adapter to it, fire up u center 2, export the config and email it off. Real simple. No wonder everyone calls your company Fly Poo. I put a little faith in you and this is what I get. Thanks but if you can’t be bothered I won’t use your junk any more and you can damn well bet I’ll share my “support” experience. It would sure take less time than some newb that upgrades BF without knowing what to do then calls you to fix it. Have a good one.
A file was promptly sent over, LOLOLOLOL!
All is working as intended now
sinful tapir
Wow! 🔥
glacial arrow
excuse the rainbow puke. normally I have RGB softwarre taming the light show. I ...
Do you edit video with that 4070 Ti? How does it do? thinking of getting one.
topaz cosmos
Do you edit video with that 4070 Ti? How does it do? thinking of getting one.
That 4070 Ti is my brother's card. I'm just seeing where it's limits are at. It's about to get a water block, bios mod, and OC. I run a 4090, no need for all that jazz. To answer your question, for lite editing it would be ok especially with an A380 pared with it so you would have quick sync. I believe some iGPUs support it as well or some softwares support Intel iGPUs for use with quick sync. Not a big editor. Just Gyroflow and Wondershare Filmora for 1080p flight footage, which the 4070 Ti simply demolished the few times I have used it for that while waiting for parts and benching the card. Real amateur stuff. However, I am a builder and have built rigs for editors and they are happy. I do know the 4070 Ti is about neck and neck with a 3090 and if that is enough then sure the 4070 Ti is your jam aside from the 12gb of VRAM, depending on your work flow it might be hard to live with. I personally would wait for the 4070 Ti Super. Will be about the same price, is launching very soon so be ready to pull trigger, has about 20% more of everything and I think will have 16gb of VRAM instead of 12gb. I believe with editing VRAM is valuable so scrolling the timeline is seem less. Yeah if you can't spend $2000 look at the new super line up. Way more bang for your buck and you may be able to get a 4080 super which I believe will be 899 or 999 instead of 1200. @fading wraith
fading wraith
A file was promptly sent over, LOLOLOLOL!
Please share the file here.
topaz cosmos
@fading wraith