Femtofox - Tiny, low power Linux node!

[nova frost]

I was trying the same thing last night, after playing with the Mikrotoad USB radio. Not the same problem, but Contact kept crashing out without warning.

[forest current]

@polar ingot can you guys do ls -l /opt/contact/ and make sure perms arent borked?

also may as well do ls -l /opt

i have a tinysa thats been sitting around a couple years... how would i use it to make that same graphic? i assume thats the pc app you can use with it?

[fast adder]

There is no main.py anymore.

#1302945239689990185 message

[spring juniper]

I used an iOS App called RFforAll but the TinySA does a very similar graphic. I just followed the Comms Channel setup guide and then tweaked a couple settings

[polar ingot]

I ended up uninstalling it from the SFC manager, and just "pip install contact" and then after reboot it runs with "contact"

femto@femtoFox:~$ ls -l /opt/
total 8
drwxr-xr-x 6 root root 4096 Apr 11 18:03 control
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Mar 14 08:23 ttyd

Probably because I installed with pip

[fast adder]

which'll install it in /bin or something. the /opt version is broken

Though python3 -m /opt/contact might work?

[nova frost]

We've got it on the to-do list to fix

[proven pond]

anyone able to review the PRs I put up on the femtofox repo? I have one more to enable the modules for a nftables firewall that I just finished testing yesterday. just waiting on the tun PR for that

[obsidian thorn]

got my wires and connected it them. Out of curiosity enviroment sensor data isnt in yet?

I have hooked the bme280 and it shows it but not in meshtastic app

have the settings on the fox set up and waited 1h with a reboot and still nothing

[nova frost]

Not supported at the moment 😦
See discussion here and following for the current state of the art:
#meshtasticd message

Tldr: Arduino translation via glue is needed, or something external and inject it in.

Tbh, I was hoping once we got a critical mass of Linux natives, someone would step forward and make something 😁

[obsidian thorn]

well it was the chicken and egg problem

chicken aka fox
egg aka linux

[nova frost]

We built the fox.

Now we need a baseball team to show up and finish off feature parity.

[neat frigate]

LuckFox Lyra Ebyte 1W

[polar ingot]

Smol solar node? Very tightly crammed with an 1800mah lifopo4 battery, LiFePO4wered solar1 mppt board

This one have the ra62

Wish there was a way to monitor the batt voltage 😕

[nova frost]

You can use a 3:1 voltage divider on one of the saradc pins, and read in that way.

[polar ingot]

can meshtastic see it like that?

[nova frost]

No, but you could probably run that particular bit of telemetry through a chron job quite easily (he says)

heh, I refer you to the "field of dreams" comment above

[fast adder]

While I hope the C folks will some day add the glue for sensors, I do have python code that can send telemetry, and I assume collecting that from i2c wouldn't be impossible.

If that is something that is desired?

[polar ingot]

I'll have a look around.

[nova frost]

More and more every day.

Although in this case, it would be collecting it from an ADC pin

Would this interfere with "normal" client usage of the node?

or would it do what we suggested in #meshtasticd and just make the figures available somewhere the firmware could read from?

[fast adder]

No client connection needed. It would pretend to be your node and send a telemetry packet over UDP.

something like this

    send_environment_metrics(
        temperature=23.072298,
        relative_humidity=17.5602016,
        barometric_pressure=995.36261,
        gas_resistance=229.093369,
        voltage=5.816,
        current=-29.3,
        iaq=66,
        hop_limit=5,
        node_id = "!12345678"
    )

[nova frost]

how much effort would it be to package this in a configurable form?

[fast adder]

It's already done

https://github.com/pdxlocations/mudp

[nova frost]

I meant setting the "source" for each of these?

[fast adder]

I haven't tried to get a value from an adc pin in python yet...

Guess I'm staying up late tonight.

[nova frost]

https://wiki.luckfox.com/Luckfox-Pico/Luckfox-Pico-ADC/#3-read-adc-python-program

[nova frost]

Its already 1am

😉

[fast adder]

That looks easy enough.

I even have a luckfox handy

[nova frost]

careful tickling the ADC pins

I kept crashing mine with that

but I could read off the values using the methods they suggested

[fast adder]

shoot, i gotta feed the kids. I'll dive in later.

[nova frost]

No hurry, really!

We've survived this long, a little while longer isn't going to hurt.

[sour horizon]

# Read the CPU temperature
with open('/sys/class/thermal/thermal_zone0/temp', 'r') as cpu_temp:
    telemetry_data.environment_metrics.temperature = int(cpu_temp.read()) / 1000

[sour horizon]

I also remember crashing went INA3221

[obsidian thorn]

jup all of them show up

just need the software part wait

[obsidian thorn]

whats the command to update meshtastic to the newer version?

[opaque abyss]

Does the fox include X11?

[nova frost]

Presume you mean gui? Not afaik.

[nova frost]

If you haven't already found it, there should be one in the sfc menu.

[obsidian thorn]

didnt see at first but rechecking and yeah it is there

[nova frost]

It doesn't pull from the alpha branch, but there's a request in for a switch.

[obsidian thorn]

whats the progress on the other mesh software?

but yeah i2c on meshtastic would be way better

[nova frost]

Which other software?

[obsidian thorn]

the uk one. its by my capital taking some interest and compared has good routing

https://meshtastic.lv/join/ the map

its still building the update. jup its a snail fox

[opaque abyss]

Is that domain allowed? Feels like that'd violate #trademark

[quasi onyx]

dont think it is allowed

[obsidian thorn]

its been this for 40min now

huh whats meshbot doing since it comsules so much when compared to before

[fast adder]

I have the script functioning mostly. I just can't for the life of me figure out how to get the cryptography package installed on a fox.

pip install cryptography uses Rust for reasons. (compile, not runtime)

searches suggest I may be able to download a pre-compiled wheel but I haven't figure out the right commands.

[obsidian thorn]

so with 2.6.4 update done the settings reset and cant set my region well I set it but doesnt save

[nova frost]

Hmmm

[nova frost]

It feels like it shouldn't be allowed, but I can't say why 🤔

[nova frost]

Try deleting the default Femto config in config.d

[obsidian thorn]

where is that located

[forest current]

Nowhere near enough ram for that out of the box. With enough swap you could but I think youd have to compile vesa drivers into the kernel? Hmm I might look into resource requirements for X11, and maybe XFCE specifically...

[forest current]

Theres a PR to fix this which hasnt been merged yet

@mild hare

[obsidian thorn]

well I got it now, the meshbot was slowing down the cpu

[forest current]

https://wiki.xfce.org/minimum_requirements

Looks like 512MB generally however Slackware is able to do it with 128MB so I wonder

[obsidian thorn]

emmm

last time there where a bunch of files

[forest current]

Wrong dir I think

Not under ~, under /etc/meshtasticd/

[obsidian thorn]

deleting this file?

[forest current]

Yes so that the only active yaml is /etc/meshtasticd/config.yaml (not being overwritten/interpolated with femto_config.yaml as well)

[obsidian thorn]

did that and set the region and still unset

[nova frost]

Have you got a config in there for the radio?

[forest current]

Yeah you need to have something from available.d in config.d (such as lora_femtofox_sx1262TXCO.yaml or whatever)

[nova frost]

With Foxbuntu or Linux native?

[obsidian thorn]

just in case did apt upgrade and the startup script

[forest current]

Foxbuntu, to fix apt by removing repos that (ostensibly) arent being used

[obsidian thorn]

hmmm

[forest current]

Whenever Ive had that in testing it was because meshtasticd was already running (either from commandline or the daemon failed to kill the running process)

Try ps aux | grep meshtastic

[forest current]

Hmm ok try launching meshtasticd manually. @twilit mountain do you know how to find the hwid that the daemon uses for commandline?

Can that be gotten from meshtastic python?

[obsidian thorn]

tried but failed

[forest current]

What command did you use

[obsidian thorn]

from the menu

[forest current]

No Im talking about manually running the command that the daemon/menu runs in the background, so all the output can be viewed

[forest current]

Like /usr/sbin/meshtasticd -hwid 9999999

Just need to grab the hwid first

Maybe @warm geyser knows

[obsidian thorn]

i aint that knowigable about linux I have used it a large amount for stuff but not in very indepth

[forest current]

No worries Im hoping to be able to just give you a command to copy/paste and then you screenshot the output

[obsidian thorn]

emm like this?

[forest current]

Hey there ya go

[nova frost]

What steps did you take?

[fast adder]

woot! I figured it out. it's working.

@nova frost what exactly are we measuring with the adc pin? battery level off a voltage divider?

[nova frost]

Yee

I'm planning a 3:1 divider

And it's 1.8v max

So divide by 256 to give bat volts

Well, battery/5vin

[fast adder]

i was going to use a formula like:

        r1 = 5
        r2 = 10
        voltage =  float(IN0_voltage) * (r1 + r2) /r2
        send_device_telemetry(voltage=voltage)```

could be the wrong formula, i'm just getting my day started

[nova frost]

Yeah, that sounds about right

[nova frost]

It's 5pm here. Nearly time to feed the mob.

[fast adder]

with nothing connected to the adc im reading 1.8v

IN0_Voltage: 1.80 V, IN1_Voltage: 1.80 V

IN0_Voltage: 1.79 V, IN1_Voltage: 1.79 V

more or less

[opaque abyss]

If the fox is an x server and I have an x client somewhere else do I need the gpu horsepower on the server or the client? Fox has basically zero gpu

[nova frost]

Yeah, I think it pulls high

I can't remember whether I put the bat pin on a0 o a1

[obsidian thorn]

to get the output or...

as a note I removed meshtasticcd via the menu, did the purge command and reinstalled it but same error

[polar ingot]

Anyone know how low can we go voltage wise? wondering if lifopo4 with its low cut off is useful or naw

My smol has been running for about 14 hours on the single cell without the panel connected (it was night anyway). going to throw the battery on the charger and see how many mah it puts back in

[polar ingot]

if you use C0 then one could solder an SMD resistor right over to the GND pad, and a through hole resistor on the under side of the smol board right over to the batt. Probably simular on the other boards too

wait a second, the pinout on the luckfox site is different that the labels on the smol board, unless I haven't had enough coffee yet

Seems like 4C0 and 4C1 are swapped (labels)

also did you see this: https://github.com/meshtastic/framework-portduino/pull/55

[nova frost]

Ugh

Not the first time

[polar ingot]

oopsies

I'm assuming you used the same "part" on all boards, so the Pro version will also have this "bug"

[polar ingot]

how does one procure this craziness?

[quasi onyx]

@mild hare sent it to me but i believe the files are available to download on GitHub. @nova frost am i correct?

[forest current]

mmm not sure tbh, id guess client side handles most of it

[proven pond]

sadly, I seem to have missed the errors about missing packages during the chroot setup when I tested this.. looks like it won't work after all 😦

[nova frost]

Working on a version for sale Soon™

[nova frost]

Yeah, I've mis-labelled the boards 😦

I'll double-check the pi header pinout later.

[fast adder]

Soo, script is working but any voltage over 0.2v crashes

IN0_Voltage: 0.2 V, IN1_Voltage: 1.78 V
CPU_Temp: 45.198 °C

[TX] Portnum = TELEMETRY_APP (67)
     To: BROADCAST_NUM
     voltage: 0.8

Connection to femtofox.local closed by remote host.
Connection to femtofox.local closed.```

[nova frost]

Anyway, nothing a dymo label can't fix, at least.

[fast adder]

And the board has to cool off for a bit before it'll boot

[nova frost]

Is this with it changing slowly, or with you tickling the pin?

I found sudden changes either way made it hang.

[fast adder]

increasing the voltage by 0.01v

[nova frost]

Huh

Just on C0?

I think that was the reason I switched it to C1

[fast adder]

i'll try c1

[nova frost]

C0 is linked to the reset pins, for some reason

I think through a 10k pullup...

Oh well, if neither work, I'll be adding an ina chip...

[fast adder]

c1 works!

[nova frost]

Although I'm not sure the budget will stretch to these array resistors...

[nova frost]

Woohoo!

INA deferred!

Hooray

[fast adder]

need to do some math now... the battery indicator apparently uses percent, and my voltage reading is off

[nova frost]

Which bit is wrong? The voltage applied, or the battery percentage?

[fast adder]

I wasn't sending percentage, and the voltage formula is off

[nova frost]

And is it the firmware or your python which is generating the erroneous reading?

[fast adder]

very likely the python.

[quasi onyx]

Just use regular like ive done 🙃

[fast adder]

I'm going to eat some ham and then dig in

[pearl glade]

sad times, femto is up and node is deaf 😦

[forest current]

yay its not just me!

i mean

oh no its not just me

[nova frost]

Yes, yes... I was looking for minimum viable number of passives, and this was the best I could find.

[nova frost]

Missouri loves company

[quasi onyx]

Fair

[forest current]

i wonder if its because of emf which causes the LNA to get pulled down or whatever and then not come back up (something i read)

[nova frost]

It's possibly cos you're both in high noise environments, and need filters of some sort.

[nova frost]

If you want to swap it out, I have stock in the UK now.

[pearl glade]

thats fair 😉 though it wasn't mute the first boot, did a halt to tedt i knew how to powerdown to move it later and nadda on the Rx since

[nova frost]

Is it mute or deaf?

[pearl glade]

mute

deaf sorry tx is workin

[nova frost]

Oh, so not heard by others?

Understood

[pearl glade]

can i just compliment the setup process very easy

[nova frost]

I can't take credit for that - it's almost all @fiery finch

[pearl glade]

@fiery finch setting up was painless so thankyou.

[fiery finch]

❤️

[polar ingot]

Btw, 14ish hours smolfox used approx 1118mah

*not a scientific test

[obsidian thorn]

so I did a cleanboot and from the get go installed all updates and 2.6.4 works

[pearl glade]

FFS fixed it

[nova frost]

80mA average, 288mW.

Noice

[nova frost]

How?

Threatened it with RMA?

[pearl glade]

no the F'ing radio settings hadn't saved, but some how I was able to send on LF

[nova frost]

Hmmm

There's often some weirdness around settings in the firmware itself.

CF: all the complaints about restore taking a few goes.

I've had it where the connect page shows region unset, but it's actually set and able to send messages.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nova frost]

Ok, see how it goes and report back, plz.

[pearl glade]

yup saw that, i can see 12 nodes now, only 1 with node info but it's better than nothing or the -1 when I started the webinterface

[obsidian thorn]

so installed meshbot and see its cpu went to 90% usage and same errors. What is it complaining about?

[sour horizon]

Are you trying to run two API programs? Or use a mobile client to text at the same time the bot is running?

The bot needs exclusive access, only MQTT or the new UDP stuff can be injected currently

Two clients using the API will cause a cpu runaway in threading for the API

[obsidian thorn]

no just on my phone on the t1000 tracker and watching it

[fast adder]

Fast charging.

[sour horizon]

Shouldn’t be disconnecting if nothing else is fighting for API access

[obsidian thorn]

thats the only thing I enabled

[fast adder]

Cpu temp for spud

[sour horizon]

Hot potato 🥔

[fast adder]

Don't worry, my phone converts to fahrenheit

I'm looking in the firmware where it's defined what 0 percent is, can't be 0 volts right?

[quasi onyx]

2.5v?

[fast adder]

probably but I'd like to be sure

[warm geyser]

lemme find the curve data for you, unless you just found it

[fast adder]

i think i found it

          {100, 0.0},              // Plugged
          {100, CHARGING_VOLTAGE}, // Charging
          {80, 4.00},              // Full
          {35, 3.50},              // Mid
          {10, 3.30},              // Low
          {0, 3.12},               // Empty
          {0, 3.10}                // Warn```

but that's not exactly what i need

[warm geyser]

huh, interesting. that's not what I was going to show

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/blob/72dd5bd88d541eaa8b91dd02ec66a0b8ece41b29/src/power.h#L34

this array is basically every 10% (100, 90, 80, 70, ... 0)

that's for li-ion obviously, some other chemistries above it in the same file

and of course scale 4190 -> 4.19V

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/blob/72dd5bd88d541eaa8b91dd02ec66a0b8ece41b29/src/Power.cpp#L230-L241 is where it ends up getting used

[fast adder]

ok, lemme see if i can figure out how to map this

[warm geyser]

since I got nerd-sniped/curious how to translate it too, may as well put it here, heh (sans the clamp to 0-100 and conversion to int, I guess, remainder left to the viewer I guess):

OCV = [4190, 4050, 3990, 3890, 3800, 3720, 3630, 3530, 3420, 3300, 3100]
def show_voltage(voltage):
    for i in range(len(OCV)):
        if OCV[i] <= voltage:
            if i == 0:
                return 100.0
            else:
                return 100.0 / (len(OCV) - 1) * (len(OCV) - 1 - i + (voltage - OCV[i]) / (OCV[i - 1] - OCV[i]))
    return 0

[sour horizon]

I just did a clean new install and didn’t see any abnormal behavior.

[obsidian thorn]

Checking and it stopped showing that error. Didnt do anything in the mean time. Cpu is down to 8% usage

[sour horizon]

Oh good, happy meshing about 🥔

[obsidian thorn]

I have a idea what i might be. I have home assistant and it was connected to eth and thinking ha did some discovery since I also have meshtastic client on that

And connected to a different node on the network

[merry shore]

You young whippersnappers don't know how good you have it! A 1200 MHz ARM with 64MB isn't enough? We ran X11 on 20 MHz 68020s with 24MB of RAM!

And that was after walking uphill to work both ways during blizzards. With onions tied to our belts, as was the fashion at the time.

[nova frost]

Was that delivered with a desk, once they'd checked the 3-phase was up to the task?

[merry shore]

It did take a pretty hefty desk to hold it, along with the 19" 1K steel-cased monitor that weighed as much as a small car and put out about as much heat. I still have that machine (a Sun 3/60), but not the monitor or drives anymore.

[fast adder]

Perfect, that did it, thanks!

[nova frost]

The steel casing on the monitor was to contain the x-rays. Almost not a joke.

[frozen cloud]

Sorry to just pop in . Any time frame on a restock ?

[proven pond]

@forest current is that new SDK you're working in a vaguely hackable state? I'm curious to see what's different and mess around a bit if possible

[forest current]

yeah its fully ready to tweak

[proven pond]

oh nice! is there a separate repo or branch?

[forest current]

you will need python2 to build uboot though, and i didnt add anything to build a local standalone python2 yet, but you can do that by downloading the tarball

https://github.com/joshbowyer/femtofox-lyra-sdk

[proven pond]

nice. and this is expected to be backwards compat with the pico?

[forest current]

yeah, i dont think weve actually tested that yet but the dts files are all in there, i may have to add something for the pico's spl

or actually @mild hare has been working on spl stuff so probably mostly him at this point

the goal is to get that sdk working for all the fox variants

[proven pond]

very nice! I'll poke around a bit, thanks!

[mild hare]

did you do the wizard on femto-config and set the region?

oh, nm, I see it now

[fallow chasm]

To whom it may concern: I wanted to say how I am loving the Femtofox Pro! Well done! I look forward to you restocking and buying another one. I like the 30dBm output. Thank you for a great little Mesh device!

[spring juniper]

WELL WELL WELL

guess who's fox can hear it's neighbors again

cavity filter was the trick
thanks @mystic mortar for the fast shipping!

[mild hare]

the filter???!

epic! Thanks for sharing. Ok to unbox replacement?

[spring juniper]

i havent tested anything and it's barely attached inside the enclosure... but yeah Fox can see same neighbors as rak was before (and with a better SNR ;))

[mild hare]

Man, what a trooper. I'm super rural so not a prob here. But it's going to happen to people.

[nova frost]

@forest current Missouri has one less resident.

[fast adder]

I think this is ready for a test run if anyone wants to risk it.
https://github.com/pdxlocations/mfoxadc

For those just joining us, this will add battery telemetry to a LuckFox.

It assumes you have at least one node capable of UDP processing on your LAN

[sour horizon]

Might want to programmatically add the ! Or fix example to..

mfoxadc --node-id \!abcd1234

I also had a fork of mudp to allow meshtastic 1bit keys (outside of AQ) let me know if interesting feel free to pull or I can push up

[fast adder]

Hmm. Oh read me should have single quotes I think.

[fast adder]

I didn’t think the firmware allowed that?

[polar ingot]

what does this mean exactly?

[sour horizon]

2.6 firmware, CLI
meshtastic —host localhost --set network enabled_protocols 1

Might be good to add to the readme @fast adder yea single quotes would work as well

[sour horizon]

1 bit keys?

Could also pull the node id from local data as well no need to add it on command line

[polar ingot]

what if the node isnt connected to the interwebs? doesnt matter?

femto@femtofoxHome:~$ meshtastic --host localhost --set network.enabled_protocols 1

[sour horizon]

Should broadcast on loop back as well

[polar ingot]

and do I need to enable telemetry on the node aswell?

[sour horizon]

These packets are sent out the meshtastic firmware

No need to do anything but run it as a service

[polar ingot]

and will my other nodes see the data? sorry, pretty new to meshtastic. Alright at linux

Press Ctrl+C to quit
IN0_Voltage: 1.79 V, IN1_Voltage: 1.79 V
CPU_Temp: 50.544 °C

[TX] Portnum = TELEMETRY_APP (67)
     To: BROADCAST_NUM
     voltage: 4.97
     battery_level: 100

[SENT] b'\r\x1e\x96@G\x15\xff\xff\xff\xff\x18\x08*\x14J\xff^\xe4\xd0|,j@\xde\xa8\xcdt\x90\x0chV\x11\xa0\xc35\x86\xa9*\xfeH\x03x\x03'

[TX] Portnum = TELEMETRY_APP (67)
     To: BROADCAST_NUM
     temperature: 50.544

[SENT] b'\r\x1e\x96@G\x15\xff\xff\xff\xff\x18\x08*\x12T\xea\xdf\xbdV8\xce\x88\xf7\xf4z%\x94[k\xc9\xfb\xae5\x87\x85G\x17H\x03x\x03' ```

app seems to work, didn't install the divider yet

[sour horizon]

You should see the telemetry on a mobile client or the likes yes

Different node

[polar ingot]

Not seeing anything and the “power metrics” is greyed out.

This is from a different node (heltecV3) connected to my phone.

I did change my primary channel, and followed the guide to make the second channel the default longfast

does this mean I need to run the program with the --channel and --key flags?

[chrome tide]

Is there a new fembunto release coming soon ?

[fast adder]

it will default to LongFast and AQ==. Add the flags if you're useing something else. Are you using Meshtastic 2.6.4+? I believe that's the first release with UDP support.

[polar ingot]

My phone is on 2.6.4. foxbuntu I don't think I ever updated

[sour horizon]

You would need to sudo update && sudo apt-get install meshtasticD

Update the base 1.0 image

[polar ingot]

so that 2.6.0

[fast adder]

I thought about this but decided against it for two reasons. Getting the nodeid I think uses the client connection which could mess up yer bot for a bit, and it's likely this would be set to run as a service, so leaving the id flag in there is easy, and no need to worry about what order services start up. (meshtasticd specifically)

[fast adder]

https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/channels/#psk
Must be either 0 bytes (no crypto), 16 bytes (AES128), or 32 bytes (AES256).

[sour horizon]

https://github.com/pdxlocations/mudp/compare/main...SpudGunMan:mudp:main

[fast adder]

Oh, I get it, but does the firmware do that?

If I put AA==, is that valid?

[warm geyser]

firmware supports any one-byte (not one bit) key except AA== I believe, works much like AQ== for all the others though, except it swaps out the last byte

AA== is the shorthand for "no crypto", at least in some places, so I'd avoid that one

[fast adder]

oh haha, of course I'd use that as an example

[warm geyser]

but yeah. AQ==, Ag==, Aw==, BA==, BQ==, Bg==, Bw==, etc. should all work

(A-Q-g-w is because the second character only has two bits that matter for a one-byte value, in case anyone wonders about that)

[fast adder]

sure, I'd merge that but i do the substitution in three places right now, so it may be need there abouts as well.

[sour horizon]

Fixed that, I haven’t goofed with receiving yet, still lab’n out ideas of how to bot-UDP

make a mudp project thread 🙂

[fast adder]

https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1364090336925712445

[polar ingot]

does apt-get crawl for everyone? I feel like its slower then my 1st gen eepc

700mhz celeron in that baby

[sour horizon]

Yea it will take a hour or so?

Some point 1.0.6 image should be a release party 🎈

SDK in a docker yet I saw Python2 (shivers at the name of tom riddle)

[twilit mountain]

You're trying to make a UDP-only Bot?! 🤯♥️

[sour horizon]

See how it works out anyway drafted up some rough lab work on it

[polar ingot]

I've apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and meshtastic is still showing 2.6.0

portduino 0.1.0
femto@femtofoxHome:~$ meshtastic --version
2.6.0```

also:

[sudo] password for femto:
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
meshtasticd is already the newest version (2.6.4.16~ppab89355f~jammy)```

[sour horizon]

Looks like you are good 2.6.4

That is the needed version

[twilit mountain]

We should really make meshtasticd --version return the meshtastic version (that arg is handled in framework-portduino currently)

meshtastic --version would return the version of the python library

[polar ingot]

roger that

[warm geyser]

meshtastic --info will have the version of whatever it connects to in it, or the same without all the other huge pile of stuff in info, meshtastic --device-metadata

[spring juniper]

workin' for me!

[fervent pier]

I've got the FemtoFox officially moved into my truck now - but I was curious how much of the maintenance needs to be done through the femto-config versus just raw linux commands like sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y?

I'm used to managing a MeshAdv hat on RaspberryPi OS so I'm not sure how fragile or tolerant the FemtoFox install

[forest current]

the menu is just a graphical frontend for command line stuff, you can definitely do it all via cli (as i do)

[fervent pier]

okay! Thanks Josh - can I pretty well beat on it like a standard ubuntu system?

Also noticed that meshtastic runs without having the VENV or how did you do that under the hood?

On much of my Ubuntu installs I do workon meshtastic and then any meshtastic related commands

[proven pond]

Has anyone tried a pico mini B with the flash as swap? I'm curious if that's a noticeably faster than sdcard swap

[forest current]

Prob system packages

[forest current]

Didnt get the B working yet

@lavish sorrel was trying

[proven pond]

oh darn.. I assumed it was basically identical

[nova frost]

It only has a smol brain. Venv would break it (probably 🤷)

At least, that was the justification back in the day...

[twilit mountain]

Lies and slander

[forest current]

It is except for some reason we couldnt get the flash chip working in our limited attempts

Let me find the instructions with sizes I shared a little while back

[twilit mountain]

venv's are just... a directory and some PATH / environment mangling 😅

[forest current]

I think we got stuck on kernel modules in the sdk or something (selecting the B in boardconfig?)

[sour horizon]

By having meshtastic API loaded in native as well as a venv caused some issues

The fox platform memory was around 4mb free last I looked

Last I looked at it was troubleshooting tc2 bbs back around build 0.97 area

[polar ingot]

seems to install and work, but I don't know how to see any info from other nodes on my network

[polar ingot]

Ok, I think I've got it working now. wonder if I should run as a cron job at boot or something else?

[mild hare]

@hollow dragon Yo, any luck?

[spring juniper]

@polar ingot so I thought mine was working (I saw telemetry being reported to other nodes) but now not so much had to make sure all the Telemetry modules were disabled and set to 0 . I think they were overriding the madc update

[polar ingot]

interesting

mine kinda works sometimes.... lol

how are you running it @spring juniper ?

[spring juniper]

I modified it to submit an ina3221 voltage instead of the adc

[spring juniper]

seems to work for my fox and setup - if I run meshsense it will overwrite the deviceMetrics with 0.0v after a minut or so - I'm pretty sure that is because meshense is calling devicetelemetry to update it's own UI

but the whole external voltage -> udp -> node reporting voltage works!

[polar ingot]

oh thats pretty fun! I have one of those coming in the mail

are you starting it with cron? or did you make an init.d service?

[spring juniper]

i would do a systemctl/init.d thing

Apr 23 01:05:50 ff1 meshtasticd[3944]: INFO  | 05:05:02 2281 [DeviceTelemetry] Send: air_util_tx=0.833694, channel_utilization=0.000000, battery_level=101, voltage=0.000000, uptime=2281
Apr 23 01:05:54 ff1 meshtasticd[3944]: INFO  | 05:05:48 2327 [Router] (Received from FBBS): air_util_tx=0.000000, channel_utilization=0.000000, battery_level=63, voltage=3.832000
Apr 23 01:06:55 ff1 meshtasticd[3944]: INFO  | 05:06:02 2341 [DeviceTelemetry] Send: air_util_tx=0.833694, channel_utilization=2.121667, battery_level=101, voltage=0.000000, uptime=2341
Apr 23 01:07:00 ff1 meshtasticd[3944]: INFO  | 05:06:53 2393 [Router] (Received from FBBS): air_util_tx=0.000000, channel_utilization=0.000000, battery_level=63, voltage=3.832000```
something still triggering the DeviceTelemetry update to override it 😕

[polar ingot]

Yeah the device metrics get sent out and then it dies?

either way I made a simple systemd service:

Description=madc udp reporting service

[Service]
Type=simple
Restart=always
RestartSec=1
User=femto
ExecStart=/home/femto/.local/bin/mfoxadc --node-id '!******' --channel *channelName* --key *channelKeyHere* --interval 300


[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target```

seems to work

ish

[warm geyser]

the issue with sending this with device metrics is the node will still send out device metrics for chutil/airutil. hence it flipping back and forth in the screenshot. the ones with battery/voltage are the ones from the script, and the ones with chutil/airtime are the ones from the node

[fast adder]

Hmmm I didn’t think of that.

Could set the interval on the node to maxint or something. Then the script could dm the node with a device metric request and append that info to its broadcast….?

[forest current]

That sounds like the right idea to me

[polar ingot]

I'd imagine this would work well, as I think the timing is messing with broadcasting some messages. Just a hunch, as I havn't dug deeper, but I don't seem to always get the metrics

[warm geyser]

hm, yeah, as long as the requests still give up to date info that seems like a decent route

[polar ingot]

what is the voltage divider expected? I've got 300k to batt and 100k to ground

[fast adder]

Better check with an EE. Don’t put more than 1.8 V into the pin. A 5 V supply should deliver 1.8 V.

[sour horizon]

This page has a calculator https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials/voltage-dividers/all

[sour horizon]

It’s very early code still

May need some fine tuning still

To say it might not be ready to include at startup

[nova frost]

I agree. Need to test it out on ma rig...

[upper salmon]

When are these going to be available again?

[nova frost]

Depends where you are. UK/Europe, this weekend (yes, delayed...).

[upper salmon]

US

[polar ingot]

10-4. a 3:1 would do a max of like 1.25. 180k:100k would do a max of 1.79 at 5v, but that seems like pushing too close to the edge.

Either way, my smol is doing weird stuff after upgrading packages. RTC doesn't keep time after removing it from the network anymore!

goes back to 1999!

Testing the solar node in the yard before it gets put remote. Would love some sore of voltage monitoring before it gets up a mountain though

[polar ingot]

I meant more, what does the code expect to see on the pin. If it translates 1.8v to 5v then that fine

[nova frost]

I chose 3:1 because max input on 5v might be up to 5.5, and 5.5/1.8 is 3.1, so a ratio of 3:1 is too low. 4:1 is easier, so 100/(300+100) is the answer.

[nova frost]

Is it one you got from us, or one you bought/already had?

Some of them don't have a battery backup...

Or don't have a real backup, but just a disposable cell of questionable origin.

[fast adder]

voltage = round(IN1_voltage * (5.0 / 1.8), 2)

[nova frost]

Hmmm

I thought you had an R1 and R2 in there somewhere?

[fast adder]

I did. But I was using a bench supply not a voltage divider so they got commented out, lol!

[nova frost]

Can we have them back? I have a shortage of 177777 ohm resistors.

[fast adder]

https://github.com/pdxlocations/mfoxadc/blob/df76de5dbd3ae4076d8fb5c7738b13c3cd5c00e7/main.py#L47

[nova frost]

I think I have a 100k and a 75k for a total 175k, but the upper limit would be 4.95, and that's not a risk I'm willing to take.

[nova frost]

Oh, cool

[fast adder]

Sure just tell me what values to plug in and I can make a note in the readme also.

But I’m traveling atm so might be another day or two.

[nova frost]

I think just expose those two values somewhere if you can. All the ADC multiplier stuff just leads to confusion.

[fast adder]

Should I add them as mandatory flags? This is the problem with a packaged script vs git clone.

Or we could have default values with an option to override with flags

[nova frost]

Default values at 300 and 100, and override flags, I suppose

I stupidly put together a test node without having the right resistors on hand, so I can't actually test this.

[fast adder]

Use a bench supply lol

[nova frost]

But assuming I get chance to test this tonight, those will be the values I add to the next.... Thing.

[nova frost]

A bench whatnow?

I'm crafting this stuff in a cave rn.

[fast adder]

Variable power supply

[nova frost]

Yeah, I have a long wish list of proper equipment.

Something capable of not blowing up a 1.8v pin with ripple is on that list.

😄

[fast adder]

Fair enough. A Riden was in my cart for over a year before I pulled the trigger when I saw it on sale. The safety voltage cutoff saved my fox while testing this.

[nova frost]

Yeah, all my money is tied up in foxes at this point, so I can't be risking them 😉

[fast adder]

Still can test, the values will just be wrong. Honestly have a gig going for the next couple of weeks that might keep me tied up.

This R1 R2 fix will be quick but I also want to work on that telemetry issue with the node sending 0 values.

[fervent pier]

alright Tony 😉

[polar ingot]

One I found in my parts bin. Turns out the backup battery had a cold solder joint and one leg popped off. I've got it figured now.

I can be a useful tester also. I cover the "don't know meshtastic" group, but Im ok at linux and know my way around a soldering iron.

[sour horizon]

But can you still party like it’s 1999?

[polar ingot]

every dang day

[polar ingot]

Does the pin have an internal pullup that could be skewing values? My 300k:100k arrangement Im measuring 1.69 with a voltage of 3.25..... Got me thinking I better check the resistors.

also, according to the Sparkfun calculator, 220k:100k at 5.5v is 1.72v out, and common values. Not sure about the impedence on the pin (not an EE) but I know this is important on Arduinos and the often use lower values. (maybe 22k:10k)

[polar ingot]

https://github.com/LuckfoxTECH/luckfox-pico/issues/174

If you translate the chinese convo, both ADC pins have external 10k pullups. If removed on ADC0, on boot it will go into "download mode"

[polar ingot]

So i think that means we have to use a much "stronger" (lower value) pulldown resistor, which I guess might draw more current? Ooof, this is out of my wheel house officially

[polar ingot]

Here's a link to the schematic, and shows why SARADC_IN0 possible being weird? "Note: SARADC_IN0 must always be pulled-up." https://files.luckfox.com/wiki/Luckfox-Pico/PDF/Luckfox-Pico-SCH/Luckfox Pico Mini.pdf

[nova frost]

Yeah, that was the conclusion I came to when "tickling" it led to crashes.

[nova frost]

Are you trying this out, "for science"?

Anyway, brb, just going to shoehorn an ina3221 into something....

[fiery finch]

@fast adder can you walk me through the new contact install?

[fast adder]

pip install contact

[fiery finch]

Can you dumb that down for me, bud?

okay

let's see

[fast adder]

lol 😂

[fiery finch]

  if ! git clone https://github.com/pdxlocations/contact.git /opt/contact; then
    echo "user_message: Git clone failed. Is internet connected?"
    exit 1
  fi
  pip install -r $location/requirements.txt
  chown -R femto $location #give ownership of installation directory to $user
  git config --global --add safe.directory $location # prevents git error when updating
  echo "Creating \`contact\` shortcut."
  echo -e "#!/bin/bash\n\
export NCURSES_NO_UTF8_ACS=1\n\
export TERM=xterm-256color\n\
export LANG=C.UTF-8\n\
$launch" | sudo tee /usr/local/bin/contact > /dev/null
  chmod +x /usr/local/bin/contact
  echo "user_message: To launch, run \`contact\`."
  exit 0 # should be `exit 1` if the installation failed
}```

This is the current install script

Does it self create the shortcut now?

[fervent pier]

okay so ufw and iptables seem to not be at play on the FemtoFox, but what kind of software firewall is the FemtoFox running?

[fast adder]

And —settings or -c will launch control

[fiery finch]

--settings or -c

none iirc

[fast adder]

Both work. contact -c

[fervent pier]

I'm just trying to then figure out why an HTTPS connection from a separate network isn't permitted then

My FemtoFox runs on 192.168.96.246 and local connections from 192.168.96.x work, but over my VPN and from 192.168.48.X, do not work

[fiery finch]

@fast adder what is the location of the license?

file location

[fiery finch]

Hmmmm I think meshtastic may not allow that?

not sure

[fervent pier]

I have to do some more digging

[fast adder]

I forget the exact path. …/usr… bin/ ?

If you open user config in settings it’ll show the log path

[sour horizon]

Is your fox gateway set to the proper gateway for the subnet?

Is the VPN properly marking/NAT the traffic to you

[fiery finch]

@fast adder does contact now need to be run sudo?

[fast adder]

unsure. I don’t think so. Not on my mac. I’m traveling sans fox atm.

[fiery finch]

oh, it's because I'm installing it elevated

how can I pip install unelevated from an elevated script

[forest current]

Would probably need to wrap the command in runuser and pass the --user flag to pip

Iirc it would be sudo runuser -l nagu 'pip install --user package'

[fiery finch]

ugh now I can't uninstall contact

[fast adder]

Sudo pip uninstall contact?

[fiery finch]

says not installed

I think my issue is elsewhere

gpt is taking 45 seconds to respond to every query

I can't work like this. I'm taking a break

I'm not sure if it's installed or not

[sinful yarrow]

working with chatgpt is diabolical

[polar ingot]

Removing the resistor? If its in an easy to access place I may, But I flush mounted my boards on the smol......
But Now that we know the pin is pulled up to 1.8v with a 10k resistor, maybe its possible to still come up with a voltage table after a divider. If we wanted to lower the current of the divider and use low values like 2.7k:1k we could use a mostfet to turn on the divider, read the ADC, and turn it off with another digital pin.

[sour horizon]

I just learned there is a mesh poop icon!

[polar ingot]

like this... ish:

[nova frost]

No, there's only 3 pins free, that uses two of them!

I'm looking to just add an INA219 for reading the battery voltage

[polar ingot]

yeah, with i2c support this would be much easier

lol

[nova frost]

The smallest package is SOT23-8(!)

[sour horizon]

Voltage all the things

[polar ingot]

cute!

[nova frost]

it only needs a 100nF cap on vcc, and technically doesn't need filtering on the sensors

Trying to decide whether to bother with a shunt resistor, or just monitor battery volts directly.

[polar ingot]

the shunt is needed for current, no? I've not gone very deep down the in219 hole

[fervent pier]

I am working to get a separate Pi in there for testing - I have a different unit with a MeshAdv hat on it; just needed to reassemble some parts. I hate halfway doing something lol

[sour horizon]

Nice, it sounds like the VPN issue is just a config value. If you can mark a subnet as interesting to tunnel with your VPN you should be able to put any IP thru it

[fervent pier]

well it's defnitely passing the traffic because I can do meshtastic --host 192.168.96.246 --export-config and that works. So I'm trying to figure out if this is a HTTPS routing issue or an application rejecting traffic issue

I was trying to hunt down if this was like "Access-Control-Allow-Origin" type issue but not sure the responding web server even has something like that

[sour horizon]

Is the web app bound to 96.246

Or 127.0.0.1

[fervent pier]

yeah it's listening 0.0.0.0:443

I have a couple work meetings and then I can assemble some 3d printed parts and throw it all in the truck for a test

[sour horizon]

Nice

[fervent pier]

This is the setup, bit older photo as its had some revisions

[lavish sorrel]

@mild hare @forest current - FINALLY got my Lyra online lol had to use one of the bare wifi boards i just recently got and it connected right up.

This is SO much faster than the pico mini when doing just about anything involving apt...

[quasi onyx]

Noice

[mild hare]

Sweet!

[mild hare]

The ram really makes the difference.

[lavish sorrel]

i mean, i have NO fear running sudo apt update -y with this and actually still sitting here and not thinking i'll have to come back tomorrow to check on it...

[mild hare]

word. That clear cache trick I was using helped tons. But once you hit virtual memory...

[lavish sorrel]

im eating my own words right now as it's generating locales....

[mild hare]

oh well locales always takes a minute. potato is potato.

[lavish sorrel]

i know. i'm scared to think about what this would look like on a pico mini, or if it'd just be like "nah, f-that... i quit"

[mild hare]

I'll give it a try tonight. Haven't had a pico online for a minute because of skunkworks.

[lavish sorrel]

using this makes me really hope that the Patron Saint of PCB's* will decide to do one for the Lyra...

*aka @nova frost

[quasi onyx]

Haha

So it works on the foxbuntu?

[lavish sorrel]

its running @forest current 's early build of the SDK. Not sure how "foxbuntu" it is yet.

[quasi onyx]

Gotcha

Thats good enough for me 🤣

[lavish sorrel]

time to kick the tires... running unminimize lol

[forest current]

"St Nom of Tom"

Make for us 🙏

makes the sign of the impedance symbol

[forest current]

Lyrafox is to Ubuntu as Femtofox is to Linux Mint

All the goodies and polish are not present currently. It just runs lol

@mild hare has been playing with the sdk with the goal of merging it with the femto stuff

[forest current]

Oh also I forget do you have the Lyra with the nand or without?

[mild hare]

I keep wandering. It's not ADD. It's just hard to work on a 128mb Honda Civic when there is a Koenigsegg peaking out of the car cover next to me.

Gas mileage is the same too.

New power meter arrives today and that will help me focus on what's important and what's not.

[twilit mountain]

You really need to start using virtualenvs, or leveraging pipx

Just liable to break system packages 😅 asking for trouble

[fiery finch]

venvs on a luckfox are a bit much

[twilit mountain]

venvs are just... some path mangling...
What makes you think the fox can't handle that?

[fiery finch]

really?

huh]

well then

maybe give me a hand creating this package?

[twilit mountain]

Yeah it's extremely minimal overhead really 🙂 and I'd be happy to help

[fiery finch]

this is the first pip package I'm making

alright let's move to dm

[lavish sorrel]

i got the lyra plus w/ NAND

[forest current]

were you able to get the nand working as ubifs? i can repost the instructions if you need them, but its confirmed working for me on the lyra with the release you flashed

[upper salmon]

Any updates on shipping new units to the US?

[quasi onyx]

@mild hare got some nodes in da mail i believe

[frozen cloud]

Are you in Boston btw ? I think I’ve seen you on my node map

[fiery finch]

Okay, who was asking for tailscale?

[nova frost]

https://github.com/femtofox/femtofox/issues/402

[fiery finch]

I need a basic explainer about tailscale. I have a testrig up with tun installed, as per that PR

[fervent pier]

oh if you're talking tailscale, I would love to see that

its one of my few device without the package

[fiery finch]

There was a request for it on the gi

git

[fervent pier]

I had tried (#1329096340700921898 message) but it took forever to install and then I realized yeah we didn't have the necessary underpinning to make it work

[fiery finch]

alright

so I think I have the underpinning installed

walk me through installing it

[fervent pier]

https://tailscale.com/kb/1031/install-linux

They package it up real nicely

But also have individual OS installs listed on that package too if you're looking for a more interactive install

[fiery finch]

If this takes forever to install, we'll just have it preinstalled and disabled

[fiery finch]

so walk me through this

after installation, is there a service?

[fervent pier]

yes you can do sudo tailscale status and stop/start

actually it's sudo tailscale up and sudo tailscale down

https://tailscale.com/kb/1080/cli

[quasi onyx]

Tailscale is nice

[fiery finch]

hold on, can I not manage the service in the normal way?

systemctl?

[fervent pier]

let me look

Doesn't appear as such

no links into systemctl

[lavish sorrel]

Welp, Lyra works, but Meshtasticd doesn't like it.

lyra@luckfox:~$ sudo meshtasticd
Portduino is starting, VFS root at /root/.portduino/default
Set up Meshtastic on Portduino...
Using /etc/meshtasticd/config.yaml as config file
Also using "/etc/meshtasticd/config.d/femtofox_SX1262_TCXO.yaml" as additional config file
MAC ADDRESS: 00:0C:29:3F:A2:B1
Segmentation fault

[quasi onyx]

Oof

[fiery finch]

That makes stuff MUCH more complicated

Honestly I'm sure the service is manageable

okay, yeah, I can disable the service

I'll make a package for the manager. Tailscale will be preinstalled but disabled

[nova frost]

Are you not happy just to say up and down?

Or is this back to "stuff doesn't behave like it should"?

[forest current]

does the pinout match? i think that yaml is using specific pins, no?

[fervent pier]

How do I grab that since my install is already working? Reflash?

[lavish sorrel]

Ive been so caught up with getting this online, that i forgot to check that. Ill give it a look a little later.

[forest current]

Lora:
## Ebyte E22-900M30S, E22-900M22S with or without external RF switching setup
## HT-RA62 (Has internal switching, but whatever)
## Seeed WIO SX1262 (already has TXEN-DIO2 link, but needs RXEN)
## Will work with any module with or without RF switching, and with TCXO
  Module: sx1262
  gpiochip: 1 # subtract 32 from the gpio numbers
  DIO2_AS_RF_SWITCH: true
  DIO3_TCXO_VOLTAGE: true
  CS: 16 #pin6 / GPIO48 1C0
  IRQ: 23  #pin17 / GPIO55 1C7
  Busy: 22 #pin16 / GPIO54 1C6
  Reset: 25 #pin13 / GPIO57 1D1
  RXen: 24 #pin12 / GPIO56 1D0 # Not strictly needed for auto-switching, but why complicate things?
#  TXen: bridge to DIO2 on E22 module
  spidev: spidev0.0 #pins are (CS=16, CLK=17, MOSI=18, MISO=19)
  spiSpeed: 2000000
  
General:
  MACAddressSource: eth0

this is the contents so yeah it wont work as-is

just need to map the pins and you should be good to go

[lavish sorrel]

I think i modified my .conf, but i cant recall what i changed or where i got it from

[forest current]

once youre able, post yours, we can look at it

[lavish sorrel]

---
Lora:
## Ebyte E22-900M30S, E22-900M22S with or without external RF switching setup
## HT-RA62 (Has internal switching, but whatever)
## Seeed WIO SX1262 (already has TXEN-DIO2 link, but needs RXEN)
## Will work with any module with or without RF switching, and with TCXO
  Module: sx1262
  gpiochip: 1 # subtract 32 from the gpio numbers
  DIO2_AS_RF_SWITCH: true
  DIO3_TCXO_VOLTAGE: true
  CS: 11 #pin6 / GPIO48 1C0
  IRQ: 34  #pin17 / GPIO55 1C7
  Busy: 35 #pin16 / GPIO54 1C6
  Reset: 36 #pin13 / GPIO57 1D1
  RXen: 37 #pin12 / GPIO56 1D0 # Not strictly needed for auto-switching, but why complicate things?
#  TXen: bridge to DIO2 on E22 module
  spidev: spidev0.0 #pins are (CS=16, CLK=17, MOSI=18, MISO=19)
  spiSpeed: 2000000

General:
  MACAddress: 00:0C:29:3F:A2:B1

I have no idea where I got these numbers from, it's been so long.

[fiery finch]

it'll be a bit before next release

[upper salmon]

Visiting, but yeah, within the last few weeks. Might not be the last time either 🍕

[forest current]

ok, do two things:

show a pic of where you wired the radio to the lyra

post the output of gpioinfo

[twilit mountain]

@fast adder looks like you don't ship the license as part of your pip package install for contact? Honestly not sure if this is normal or not 😅

[polar ingot]

Oshpark only sent me two last time cuz one was messed up, and now I have three more!

[fervent pier]

Anyone had the network port on the FemtoFox carrier board just stop working? I’ve tried two routers and now half a dozen network cables and the FemtoFox will definitely not sense a network cable at all. No activity light, no nothing.

[lavish sorrel]

I dont think the lights are enabled regardless. Just checked mine and they're off.

[chrome tide]

They aren't

[lavish sorrel]

Check the soldering on the back 5 pins of the Luckfox. make sure they're solid. Most times ive heard of people having issues, it was due to a cold joint or something came loose with those 5 pins.

[chrome tide]

I think there was a discussion on how to make them work, but that doesn't matter here..

[fervent pier]

okay that's actually useful info - may be something else then

Time to flash the SD card

[fervent pier]

Not sure I have a lot of great news here - reimaged the SD card but the supposed 7 minute wait time basically turned into the FemtoFox blinking for about 10 seconds and then nothing more

[polar ingot]

Do you have activity/link lights on the ports of the switch/router your plugging into? I had an old orangepi that did weird things sometimes.

[lavish sorrel]

is this a Femtofox Pro or a CE?

[fervent pier]

FemtoFox Pro

I will do some more digging on it, I'll see if I have a different SD card I can try too. For the moment I had to swap around the setup for a trip in the morning. I leave in 8 hours so I need to finish packing and doing what I can to get something working

[lavish sorrel]

ok, are you on a Mac/PC/Linux machine?

[fervent pier]

Production Alpha 1.1

Mac

[lavish sorrel]

Got homebrew installed?

[fervent pier]

No

[fast adder]

That's interesting. I do see the license type on pypi. Looking in my pip installed meshtastic directory and don't see a license in there either.

[lavish sorrel]

ok, there's a simple way to see if its alive, and it's the primary way I connect to my foxes: tio
it's a command line utiltiy that connects you to the serial port that's available on the Pro, via the side USB-C connector.
For reference: https://github.com/tio/tio

[fervent pier]

alright I will probably have to pick this adventure up here later. I do appreciate the quick help

[lavish sorrel]

if you decide you want to install tio , easiest way to get it is install Homebrew for your mac (it's a package manager). It can be found here:
https://brew.sh

Command to install it is:
/bin/bash -c "$(curl -fsSL https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Homebrew/install/HEAD/install.sh)"

(That's taken right from their landing page)

Then to install tio, you'd run:
brew update && brew install tio

To connect to your node, follow these steps:

1. Before connecting the node to your laptop, run this command in Terminal: ls -1 /dev/cu.*
   (Note the output.)
2. Now, connect the device to your computer via USB-C, run the same command again.
3. Look for the new line in the list.
4. Once you identify the new line, select it with your cursor, all the way from /dev/ to the end of the path.
5. Run tio followed by the path you just noted, so it would be like this:
   tio /dev/cu.usbmodem3401 and hit enter.
6. Hit the enter key again, and if you don't see anything, unplug the node from its power, but leave the terminal as-is.
7. Reconnect the device and you should see a stream of logs in the terminal window.
8. If you see "Femtofox Login", when you hit enter the second time, then the Fox is up and waiting for you to login.

[fervent pier]

Thank you! I’ll take a look at it

[lavish sorrel]

The picture would just give you a headache because i used some leftover wires that are all the same color, and everything is on the underside of the proto board.

NSS  - 0B1D
SCK - 0A1D
MOSI - 0B3D
MISO - 0B2D
NRST - 1C2D
BUSY - 1B2D
DIO1 - 1B1D
RXEN - 1B3D
TXEN <=> DIO2
VCC is coming out of a TPS61023 board i have attached, with a 100uF cap between VCC and GND.

Also, only GPIOCHIP1 has anything listed for it:

gpiochip1 - 32 lines:
    line   0:      unnamed   "work-led"  output  active-high [used]
    line   1:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line   2:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line   3:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line   4:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line   5:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line   6:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line   7:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line   8:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line   9:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  10:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  11:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  12:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  13:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  14:      unnamed         "cd"   input   active-low [used]
    line  15:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  16:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  17:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  18:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  19:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  20:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  21:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  22:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  23:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  24:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  25:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  26:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  27:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  28:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  29:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  30:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high
    line  31:      unnamed       unused   input  active-high

[fast adder]

JB maybe getting close to native support for i2c? #contributor-lounge message

[lavish sorrel]

Also, here's my updated config:

---
Lora:
## Ebyte E22-900M30S, E22-900M22S with or without external RF switching setup
## HT-RA62 (Has internal switching, but whatever)
## Seeed WIO SX1262 (already has TXEN-DIO2 link, but needs RXEN)
## Will work with any module with or without RF switching, and with TCXO
  Module: sx1262
  gpiochip: 1 # subtract 32 from the gpio numbers
  DIO2_AS_RF_SWITCH: true
  DIO3_TCXO_VOLTAGE: true
  CS: 9 #pin6 / GPIO48 1C0
  IRQ: 57  #pin17 / GPIO55 1C7
  Busy: 42 #pin16 / GPIO54 1C6
  Reset: 50 #pin13 / GPIO57 1D1
  RXen: 43 #pin12 / GPIO56 1D0 # Not strictly needed for auto-switching, but why complicate things?
#  TXen: bridge to DIO2 on E22 module
  spidev: spidev0.0 #pins are (CS=16, CLK=17, MOSI=18, MISO=19)
  spiSpeed: 2000000

General:
  MACAddress: 00:0C:29:3F:A2:B1

[pearl glade]

my fox bogged down, could reach the node, could send but it was deaf, and was unable to ssh to the node 😦

[nova frost]

Oh dear

Is it physically accessible?

[pearl glade]

I'll get to it later, just thought it was a bit odd

[nova frost]

How's it powered?

They do weird stuff sometimes...

Did you remember to use a decent SD card?

[pearl glade]

my 4k drone is waiting for a new card 😄

and it's a samsung usb charger as it was in the location

[pearl glade]

Going to replace SD card and power, node isn’t deaf just doesn’t appear to acknowledge messages after a while…

[forest current]

spidev should definitely show under gpio info on one of the gpiochips... are /dev/spidev0.0 and 1.0 present?

[fiery finch]

For me to implement tailscale, I'm going to need someone who knows how to use tailscale to participate

[lavish sorrel]

Are you running any other services on it, like Meshing-around or anything else?

[lavish sorrel]

At the in-laws for the night, I can check when I get home tomorrow. Might be able to ssh in later, just with family for the day.

[polar ingot]

@nova frost what do you use for PCB design? I've been out of the game for a while, is Kicad still cool?

[nova frost]

Kicad is always cool

Which is why I am reliant on EasyEDA std.

I'm hoping they'll eol the std edition to force me to convert

[polar ingot]

EasyEDA is what Ikeep seeing on cool projects I follow, but yet to try

I found 3 rfm95w modules from early expresslrs days in my parts drawer I was thinking of slapping a quick board together for with the fox. Probably not worth it as I know they are old and not super compatible, but might be fun?

[nova frost]

Might be a possibility...

Idk if they work well with Linux native.

[polar ingot]

@nova frost did you see the note about testing sensors in linux native? Do I need to build a new image for the fox or just a meshtasticd? I've got a few sensors I can easily test

[nova frost]

I did. I'm not sure how to go about it - the ones built in are on a patch branch, and the mudp stuff is a separate install.

[polar ingot]

can we just build it, move it to the femto, and manually upgrade it with apt by choosing the package?

[nova frost]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Sorry, I'm just the hardware guy 🤣

[nova frost]

I'm gonna release a Mikrobus version of the Meshtoad (by @buoyant ermine and @twilit mountain), so you could probably play with them on that.

Play radio swapperoo and Try all the things™

[polar ingot]

yee ha

[nova frost]

Indeed.

If I had to vote, tho, I'd say make a pro-micro node with the rfm modules. They're not brilliant modules, and until V3.0 they're going to be trouble with t1000000000e etc.

[polar ingot]

what about rp2040?

I think someone has already done that even

[nova frost]

Possibly. I've never done a rp2040 node 😛

[lavish sorrel]

spidev0.0 and spidev1.0 are both present in /dev

[fervent pier]

FemtoFox has amazing passive SD card protection!!

[twilit mountain]

It's got a nice picket fence

[fervent pier]

Does this error in Etcher even matter? I'm going with "no" but just double-checking

[twilit mountain]

Doesn't matter, Etcher is confused by rockchip's weirdness

But it works

[fervent pier]

okay - I'm just back to testing my FemtoFox with the most basic things.

Should the FemtoFox work without the carrier board? I.E. can I plug it into my computer with just the SD card for any tio testing?

Perhaps promising?

so it did that for about 60 seconds and then all the lights turned off, nothing new in /dev/cu.*

[quasi onyx]

it will work without the carrier

tho u cant use serial from usb

it doesent have a converter

[fervent pier]

back assembled now

[forest current]

actually you know who can help, is @twilit mountain as he said he recently got around to wiring up his lyra hat

[fervent pier]

ah that got me /dev/cu.usbserial-110

[quasi onyx]

ye the carrier has a converter

[forest current]

@twilit mountain how did that go btw? any luck?

[fervent pier]

[ 2.327815] thermal thermal_zone0: critical temperature reached (115 C), shutting down

I think I found my issue

[quasi onyx]

whaaat

😅

how on earth

mine worked fine

[fervent pier]

It's definitely the FemtoFox itself - even without the carrier board it was getting quite toasty

Here's the whole terminal output if anyone sees a different failure

[quasi onyx]

hmmmm

intresting

it does get warm but should get that hot

[fervent pier]

ambient air temp right now inside my home is 70F / 21C

In my truck which is where it was when it died is a different story - probably 120F / 49C

looking at https://forums.luckfox.com/viewtopic.php?t=618 it seems like the working temps should be between 0C and 85C just for reference

[quasi onyx]

i wonder why it gets that hot

[fervent pier]

Best photos I can get without a magnifying glass

[quasi onyx]

nothing looks wrong to me

[lavish sorrel]

Only thing I can't see from the pictures is the soldering on the ETH pins

[nova frost]

Did you feed it too much voltage by any chance?

[fervent pier]

I don’t think so?

SeenGreat board is handling the charging

[lavish sorrel]

You think it got cooked?

[nova frost]

The only time we've seen that behaviour is when @fiery finch connected up the wrong pins.

Same symptoms, anyway

[fervent pier]

To run the FemtoFox, I'm using the SeenGreat Solar Manager (https://seengreat.com/product/226/solar-energy-manager) and running it off the 5V USB-A female port to the USB-C on the carrier board

Looks like it puts out 5V / 2A

Too much for the FemtoFox?

[lavish sorrel]

This looks fine too... 🤔

[nova frost]

Hmmmmm... The usb-c port should be protected.

[fervent pier]

Working up a test rig with a multimeter - I have a small hunch given what you said above. I wonder IF the SeenGreat board will send voltage between the USB ports when it’s switch off and momentarily send over voltage when switched in.

[nova frost]

Anyway, self-cooking foxes are not good.

[fervent pier]

Just enough to poke something with 10V and make it very angry

I am still testing this theory - this not a statement, just hypothesis

[nova frost]

I can't remember what voltage I specced for the TVS, but it should be quick enough...

Maybe I need more protection on the next one 🤔

[fervent pier]

I don’t know enough of electronics to provide enough information likely but I’ll try

[fervent pier]

Doesn't seem like it passes more than 5V, I just tested it. 5.12V with the SeenGreat turned off (passing through 5.12V to the multimeter. With the SeenGreat enabled, it does go to 5.11V, very so slight change

[fervent pier]

Maybe just an UnluckyFox

[chrome tide]

What's the benefit of having a luckyfox around to compile meshtasticd on ?

[lavish sorrel]

Who compiles Meshtasticd on a luckfox? I feel like if I even tried to it would take 4 years...

[chrome tide]

a masochist, clearly..

[lavish sorrel]

I hand solder 0603's, so I'm familiar with masochism... but I still can't comprehend why or even how someone would try to compile meshtasticd on an actual luckfox, especially a Pico Mini

[chrome tide]

Cuz Jonathan said it's a pain to cross compile it.. And I don't have anything setup to crosscompile..

[forest current]

you have a linux computer?

[chrome tide]

I have WSL, many VMs, etc..

[lavish sorrel]

Do you have an old computer?

[forest current]

did you build foxbuntu or did you just download the release from the github

[chrome tide]

I can just spin up a new VM in my datacenter..

[forest current]

either you can cross compile in a vm, or if you built foxbuntu and still have the build environment, you can cheat and chroot into the rootfs, compile there, and copy the deb

[lavish sorrel]

Spin up an Ubuntu 22.04 LTS VM then follow @mild hare's guide to building the firmware

Pretty sure he uses VirtualBox for his build env.

[chrome tide]

I have Proxmox that I'm dealing w/ at the DC right now..

22.04 ?

[forest current]

yeah although it works with later too, 22.04 is jammy

[chrome tide]

They have a CT for it, so pulling that down now..

they have 24.04 and 24.10 also..

[forest current]

if youre building a vm for it just stick with 22.04 as its the release it was made for/against

[chrome tide]

k

[lavish sorrel]

It'll build on 24, but it's not what the SDK is based on

[chrome tide]

where is the build guide ?

[nova frost]

https://github.com/femtofox/femtofox/wiki

[chrome tide]

Hmm, I don't see anything about meshtasticd compile..

Is it under the WSL link ?

[forest current]

Basically what you can do is just build it normally first, then back in the main menu you can do the custom chroot option, and put the stuff for building meshtasticd in it

Wait just so I understand, why are you trying to build it again?

Are the ppa debs not working for you?

[chrome tide]

I want to test out the meshtasticd build that supports sensors..

So I just need to build meshtasticd

so I can copy it over to femtofox, I guess..

[forest current]

Ah gotcha I missed that part

[chrome tide]

When I select Manual Build Firmware, I get this.

Building firmware...
./foxbuntu-builder.sh: line 89: cd: /home/will/luckfox-pico/: No such file or directory
./foxbuntu-builder.sh: line 90: ./build.sh: No such file or directory
Menu selection completed. Press any key to return to the menu.```

Oh duh, need to install SDK first.. :\

Now I need to figure out how to pull down that release from Jonathan..

[polar ingot]

keep us posted. I tried building it on arch to no avail and didnt get any further

I also recieved my omni antennas from aliexpress today, and somehow ordered the 868 ones instead of the 915 😦

what a dumb dumb head

[chrome tide]

Oophf!

[mild hare]

https://github.com/femtofox/femtofox/tree/main/environment-setup

https://github.com/femtofox/femtofox/blob/main/environment-setup/Foxbuntu SDK.pdf

[chrome tide]

I'm not trying to build foxbuntu, just the meshstaticd for it..

[mild hare]

ah gotcha

QEMU armhf Ubuntu 22.04 VM is what I used in the very beginning. But then @twilit mountain setup automation on github.

[chrome tide]

So there is something that makes it so I don't have to compile ? 😉

[mild hare]

I'm not familiar with it. I just use the ppt and get the deb currently.

QEMU is easy enough though (on Linux).

[chrome tide]

I have Proxmox, and just spun up a Ubuntu 22.04 on x86.. I haven't cross-compiled since the Xbox360 days, and that was always in windows.. I just ran the foxbuntu-builder script to get everything setup. I'm at the arm kernel config menu right now..

[mild hare]

Nice, I run proxmox at work

[chrome tide]

I'm migrating from ESXi to Proxmox.. It was a bit of a PITA to get the iSCSI working, so I went NFS route for storage on my NAS..

[mild hare]

Death to VMWare!

[chrome tide]

Especially now that Broadcom owns them, and killed the VMUG program..

[chrome tide]

I just hope that the builder script pulls in the current master for meshtasticd..

[mild hare]

it does not

[chrome tide]

How can I do that then ?

[mild hare]

The builder script is just for the OS and then we lean on the meshtastic ppa for the meshtasticd deb. If you wanna compile meshtasticd you gonna need to use a QEMU ARM VM like I do or a pi 4 like some meshtastic heavies do

or get clever and try and crosscompile it

[chrome tide]

yea, I'm down to try to cross-compile.. Just not clue how to do it.. HAHAHA

Lemme see if I can do a ARM VM in Proxmox

[frozen cloud]

Will this work on MeshCore?

[mild hare]

Only if meshcore can run on Linux which I doubt?

[mild hare]

ok, I checked the git. Meshcore is just an alternate firmware "knock off" of meshtastic that has no linux support.

https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-pew-gif-2155520761296533760

so nope.

[frozen cloud]

That’s what I thought . Wanted to verify.

Thank you

[mild hare]

sorry

[chrome tide]

Ok, so that's gonna be a PITA to do.. Guess I need to cross compile..

Or wait for someone to compile it

[mild hare]

you windows native?

[chrome tide]

I use Windows for day to day stuff, but have *nix VMs, proxmox, etc to do whatever I need.. I have a /26 of routable IPs for my colo, which I use as my lab..

[mild hare]

There is a crosscompiler in the Foxbuntu sdk but I have never used it for meshtasticd.

it's possible though

[dire shuttle]

@nova frost , any chance of more FemtoFoxes coming available? I suggested them to someone today and they were out of stock on Etsy.

[chrome tide]

Well the build seems to have completed and gave me a foxbuntu.img.. Now I guess I need to figure out how to do the crosscompile for meshtasticd..

[mild hare]

make sure to check the .img size. should be sorta close to 4gb. If it's closer to 2gb it's not right.

[mild hare]

I'll have US stock very soon. I have them and need to quality test and package them.

If it's Europe, that's NomDeTom. But when he's out I've been known to ship internationally.

[dire shuttle]

I'm in the US, so that sounds like good news 😁

I hope to pick up a few as they're the easiest path to a 1W node with some smarts

[polar ingot]

I'm thinking we should probably set up some ARM vm's on proxmox. I have a proxmox machine in my rack also

[mild hare]

#meshtasticd message

oh snap

[nova frost]

One of their devs has expressed interest in getting it working. Im not opposed to it, tbh, because once you let a Femtofox in the hen house... Mwahahahahahahahahahahahaha

ahem

[fiery finch]

Absolutely. Do they have a native linux version?

[nova frost]

No, that's kind of the point.

They're still very experimental

[nova frost]

(and between you, me and 39 of my closest friends - they're not doing anything that Meshtastic couldn't do with a bit of tweaking, or that you could do with Femtofoxen over-the-top with Meshtastic)

But more power to the experimenters and tryers-of-things.

[chrome tide]

Ya, thats why I'm trying to test.. LOL

[twilit mountain]

It's in the daily builds now 🙂

[chrome tide]

Is there a way to pull it in via apt, or do I just download the .deb and manually update ?

[forest current]

If youre gonna put Meshcore on the fox just make sure the licensing is clear because they are proprietary and charge money (theres beef with meshcore)

so basically make it very clear that Andy cant sell MeshcoreFoxes as a package or something

[nova frost]

Oh, we will be bulletproof!

[frozen cloud]

Proof or evidence ?

[nova frost]

I think Josh is confusing the closed-source gui thing with the main protocol firmware.

But before we all go off the deep end, I hasten to add that there is currently no implementation of Meshcore on Linux.

And there are no cow-based products here.

[sour horizon]

Boooo Moooo

[frozen cloud]

Very mooo-ving statement

[sour horizon]

More cowbell 🐮

[nova frost]

I like to take the bull by the horns.

[frozen cloud]

Good morning, operatives. The cabbage has whispered its final warning. Phase three begins at spoon o’clock. Align your shadows with the eastern ducks. Avoid triangles. Trust only the moss. Over.

[nova frost]

🥷 🥷 🥷 🥷 🥷 🥷 🥷 🥷 🥷 🥷

[sour horizon]

Cabbages cabbages.. Yum Yum Yum 🪿🪿🪿

[forest current]

John has a long moustache

The chair is against the wall

[forest current]

I think there was more than just that but yeah. At the end of the day code is code, no problem whatsoever with Meshcore being able to run on things, just want to keep the FLOSS culture

[polar ingot]

did you figure anything out while I was sleeping?

[chrome tide]

No, pretty sure I was asleep also. Now I'm at work. I'll check stuff out later when I'm off.

[lusty prairie]

I was wondering what's the absolute maximum power that it can take? Specs say 5v; some usb power supplies output 5.1v. I've heard that the radio chip can take 5.2v. Just wondering is all

[polar ingot]

one of my femtofox CE from JLCpcb is borked, and its the one i've least messed with

No Serial Meshtastic device detected, attempting TCP connection on localhost.
Connected to radio
Sending text message whats crackin to ^all on channelIndex:0
Aborting due to: [Errno 32] Broken pipe
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/meshtastic/__main__.py", line 488, in onConnected
    interface.sendText(
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/meshtastic/mesh_interface.py", line 436, in sendText
    return self.sendData(
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/meshtastic/mesh_interface.py", line 551, in sendData
    p = self._sendPacket(meshPacket, destinationId, wantAck=wantAck, hopLimit=hopLimit, pkiEncrypted=pkiEncrypted, publicKey=publicKey)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/meshtastic/mesh_interface.py", line 987, in _sendPacket
    self._sendToRadio(toRadio)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/meshtastic/mesh_interface.py", line 1204, in _sendToRadio
    self._sendToRadioImpl(packet)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/meshtastic/stream_interface.py", line 120, in _sendToRadioImpl
    self._writeBytes(header + b)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python3.10/dist-packages/meshtastic/tcp_interface.py", line 79, in _writeBytes
    self.socket.send(b)
BrokenPipeError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

(more of the same)```

Maybe it’s the homeassistant integration? Blocking or something?

[nova frost]

One thing at a time, people!
</hypocrisy>

[dire shuttle]

I think they're taking an interesting approach. I like the way that packets basically get deprioritized as they get farther from the source and also the whole "room" concept is meaningfully different from channels in that it's like a channel with S+F.

[fast adder]

I've played with it a bit and am highly skeptical it will scale. The model almost requires a router for every client. At least, that's the way it's turning out in my neck of the woods. I hope the projects can learn from each other and keep interactions civil.

[dire shuttle]

I haven't tried it, but the folks in the Seattle area seem happy with it generally.

[nova frost]

Cool cool cool cool 👉 #random

😄

[proven pond]

FYI I didn't have success with my Proxmox CT and switched to a VM. I think it was some kind of container permissions issue, but I didn't dig any deeper into it. It was throwing some errors that were hard to spot and building an image that was too small. YMMV though

[chrome tide]

Yea, the doc I found said to create a vm, the edit the vm file to make some changes to it. But that's as far as I got..

[proven pond]

I'm happy to take a look at my VM and answer any questions if you're also using Proxmox and run into issues. Wasn't too bad, though

[chrome tide]

I don't see meshtasticd on daily..

Unless I'm completely missing the name of the file..

I don't see any file named meshtasticd*

[polar ingot]

https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/network:Meshtastic:daily this one was linked, only has raspbian and debian and the raspbian .deb has unmet dependencies on fembuntofox

[chrome tide]

Yea, Jonathan just posted that link..

I have 3 packages to update, but on 10+ min of waiting for apt list --upgradable to output..

Watching a Steve Morris video while I wait for it..

He's doing a dyno of a tractor pull rig..

[polar ingot]

he builds epic engines

[chrome tide]

Yes he does..

I need meshtasticd_2.6.7.133~ppa635de2d~jammy_armhf.deb, right ?

[polar ingot]

I think so

[chrome tide]

meshtasticd_2.6.7.133~ppa635de2d~jammy_armhf.deb

dang it

https://ppa.launchpadcontent.net/meshtastic/daily/ubuntu/pool/main/m/meshtasticd/meshtasticd_2.6.7.133~ppa635de2d~jammy_armhf.deb

[polar ingot]

ohhh that looks like a promising find

libinput10 not installed

you?

[chrome tide]

still building deps

How is your install so fast ? LOL

did you apt install <deb> ?

[polar ingot]

dpkg -i thing.deb butmaybe I dont know what im doing?

I thought thats how you install deb via comand line

maybe I try your way

[chrome tide]

That's 1 way, but apt is another, that builds required debs..

apt is just SLOOOWWWWWWWWW

[polar ingot]

yeah well my way doesn't work soooooo femto@femtofoxHome:~$ sudo apt install ./meshtasticd_2.6.7.133~ppa635de2d~jammy_armhf.deb it is

[chrome tide]

I'm at 54% deb build

dep*

[polar ingot]

you will for sure beat me now....

[chrome tide]

I've never seen Steve Morris shit his pants before!!!

https://youtu.be/NhRNMKvxs9M?si=XfpAcUyMX01KIk_7

[polar ingot]

yeah I will definetly have to watch that later

[chrome tide]

87%

[polar ingot]

apparently i have to --fix-broken before I can do any more apt-ing

[chrome tide]

Hmm, it failed anyways

Testing sudo apt install -f <filename>

[twilit mountain]

You just run sudo apt install -f by itself directly after a dpkg -i failure

[chrome tide]

OH.... LOL

[twilit mountain]

And it goes and fetches the dependencies you're missing 🙂

[chrome tide]

Told you my head isn't right..

[twilit mountain]

All good. Just a good command to keep in your back pocket for the future

[polar ingot]

-f <filename> or ./filename?

[chrome tide]

No filename at all

sudo apt install -f

[twilit mountain]

sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
<fail, missing dependencies>
sudo apt install -f

[polar ingot]

10-4

[chrome tide]

testing now

let you know in 20 or so min.. 🙂

[twilit mountain]

lol believe me I know... @nova frost basically pranked me today "Build meshtasticd on a luckfox pico"

It has been running for... 16 hours

VERY surprised it has not crashed

[chrome tide]

@polar ingot This was the walkthru I was trying to follow for a native arm VM.. https://www.reddit.com/r/Proxmox/comments/ed2ldo/installing_and_launching_an_arm_vm_from_proxmox/

[chrome tide]

SEE this is why I want a spare luckyfox just to compile on.. LOL

[polar ingot]

I have a spare luckfox, but I'm not going there

[twilit mountain]

docker run --platform linux/arm/v7 -it --rm ubuntu:22.04 bash

faketofox (this command is my go-to tbh, it's extra fast if the host is arm64 too)

[chrome tide]

Hell I could do that on the 22.04 x86 VM I spun up to figure out cross-compiling on..

[polar ingot]

Im so not good at docker, I try and install everything "bare metal" (on vms)

[chrome tide]

Me either..

[polar ingot]

I have that open in a tab while searching for solutions

[chrome tide]

OOoohoohhhh fancy!!!!!!!

femto@femtofox-1:~$ sudo dpkg -i meshtasticd_2.6.7.133~ppa635de2d~jammy_armhf.deb
(Reading database ... 58858 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack meshtasticd_2.6.7.133~ppa635de2d~jammy_armhf.deb ...
Unpacking meshtasticd (2.6.7.133~ppa635de2d~jammy) over (2.6.7.133~ppa635de2d~jammy) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of meshtasticd:
 meshtasticd depends on libinput10 (>= 0.15.0); however:
  Package libinput10 is not installed.

dpkg: error processing package meshtasticd (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 meshtasticd
femto@femtofox-1:~$ sudo apt install -f
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  libinput-bin libinput10 libmtdev1 libwacom-bin libwacom-common libwacom9
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libinput-bin libinput10 libmtdev1 libwacom-bin libwacom-common libwacom9
0 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded.
1 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 237 kB of archives.
After this operation, 1343 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
Get:1 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports jammy/main armhf libmtdev1 armhf 1.1.6-1build4 [13.3 kB]
Get:2 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports jammy/main armhf libwacom-common all 2.2.0-1 [54.3 kB]
Get:3 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports jammy/main armhf libwacom9 armhf 2.2.0-1 [19.4 kB]
Get:4 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports jammy-updates/main armhf libinput-bin armhf 1.20.0-1ubuntu0.3 [22.1 kB]
Get:5 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports jammy-updates/main armhf libinput10 armhf 1.20.0-1ubuntu0.3 [115 kB]
Get:6 http://ports.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-ports jammy/main armhf libwacom-bin armhf 2.2.0-1 [12.6 kB]
Fetched 237 kB in 3s (90.0 kB/s)

Then I just need to dpkg -i <filename> again, right ?

[polar ingot]

@twilit mountain after -f do we dpkg again?

[polar ingot]

twinsies

[twilit mountain]

It should actually happily install meshtasticd as part of this

@chrome tide can confirm for us in 20 minutes

[chrome tide]

I can confirm now..

Setting up libwacom-bin (2.2.0-1) ...
Setting up libinput10:armhf (1.20.0-1ubuntu0.3) ...
Setting up meshtasticd (2.6.7.133~ppa635de2d~jammy) ...
Processing triggers for udev (249.11-0ubuntu3.15) ...

[polar ingot]

I'm 69% building dependency tree on fix broken

[chrome tide]

@twilit mountain Is webui back on 2.6.0 or still 2.5.4 ?

Or are we still waiting for the webui build.tar to be cut after the flatten FS ?

[twilit mountain]

It's on 2.5.4 still. Be on the lookout for a 2.6.1 release 👀 (I am too believe me)

[polar ingot]

I'm going to be like Opera giving out i2c devices to my 4 femtos later if this works!

"you get a BMP280, and YOU get a BMP280"

[chrome tide]

I have a BME680 on mine

[twilit mountain]

Yeah I need to buy some now too 😅 I fully invested in the SH3x family

Which appears to be a loser in this library battle

[chrome tide]

yea

Save them for ESPHome.. 😉

[twilit mountain]

That's why I had em in the first place ❤️

[chrome tide]

That's why I have my BME280/680s, along w/ a bunch of other sensors.. Including moisture, and PMS500x..

stuck at 96% right now..

been there for a good 5+ min

Maybe I'll make me another drink, and wait it out.. LOL

Install done

Ok, back to 2.5.4 WebUI.. 😭

Luckily I have a copy of 2.6.0 WebUI, that I can copy over to the web folder.. 😉

Ah, much better.. ;P

[polar ingot]

which webui does the foxbuntu image come with?

like bone stock

[chrome tide]

2.5.4

Unless you are on meshtasticd 2.6.5, which has WebUI 2.6.0

WebUI was broken on ESP32 starting w/ 2.6.5, reverted back to WebUI 2.5.4 for 2.6.6+

[polar ingot]

I might be, because I noticed the webui was different after I did all the updates

[chrome tide]

WebUI 2.6.1 should be out soon tho..

Do you have a (#) next to Nodes ?

If you do, that's 2.6.0, if not you are most likely on 2.5.4

[polar ingot]

I've been here for quite a while: femto@femtofoxHome:~$ sudo apt --fix-broken install Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done Correcting dependencies... Done

[chrome tide]

Ya you might not get to install till tomorrow..

[polar ingot]

lol

[polar ingot]

Holy heck its still working in this.... but it has progressed

tried @twilit mountain docker command with a exec /usr/bin/bash: exec format error

further down the rabbit hole I go

probably should have saved my nodes config before the ugrade....

Error: Timeout was reached

rude

@chrome tide this up to the "register arm utilities" will get @twilit mountain 's docker command going https://www.docker.com/blog/getting-started-with-docker-for-arm-on-linux/

[fading river]

hmmmmmmmmm

https://www.ebay.com/itm/276045316452

there is a company that does $4/mo for 1gb of data in the US - wonder if this would be a workable solution for super unnatended mgmt. Might buy it and give it a try. These only draw around 300ma @ 5v at absolute peak.

[mild hare]

I have done it. it works. but yes, a day's work.

wth, haven't been getting notifications here. yall been busy

[mild hare]

4 years ago I caught one of my techs watching windows update. Made him shadow me for a week.

[nova frost]

I presume you made him carry your chocolate syrup "water bottle", too?

The secret to such productivity is to drink syrup instead of water....

[mild hare]

Also, if you put an Alkaselzter (fizzy tablet) in the syrup bottle with water, the nozzle self opens when enough pressure is built and becomes a rocket that easily shoots 10 meters.

[nova frost]

Mobile bottle rockets? I like this...

[twilit mountain]

Quectel EC-25AF is the real goat

At least in the USA

[fading river]

No YOUR the real goat vid 🙂

[polar ingot]

@chrome tide a faster way might be to pull all the .debs for the dependencies and then install them all on the fox.

[nova frost]

How does that speed things up?

[chrome tide]

Are you still on --fix-broken ?

[polar ingot]

apt takes hours, SCP files from one pc to the fox takes minutes

[opaque abyss]

Apt does take quite a long time

[polar ingot]

it was waiting for my password all night

[chrome tide]

It's a 1 core system with max 512MB RAM, of course it's going to be slow..

[polar ingot]

Argh, and now i just ctrl-c'd it when i was meaning to ctrl-shift-c

anyway, looks like it needs libinput-bin libinput10 libmtdev1 libwacom-bin libwacom-common libwacom9 to satisfy the needs of the daily meshtasticd

[chrome tide]

I believe so. I can send you the list it installed for me..

[polar ingot]

did you get any sensors sensing?

[chrome tide]

Last night after over 60 min of running, still nothing. I have not checked this morning. Dealing with a bad migraine right now..

[forest current]

better than the Quectel EG25 ?

[twilit mountain]

Same thing iirc. Just LCC vs LGA

[chrome tide]

Hmmm... I have an issue..

I can't log into my femtofox anymore..

This is from serial console...

Ubuntu 22.04.3 LTS femtofox-1 ttyFIQ0

[username:password] root:root femto:femto (default)

femtofox-1 login: femto
Password:

Login timed out after 60 seconds.

The only thing I did was swap a BME680 for a BME280, and booted it back up..

meshtasticd is still working, I just can't log in at all.. SSH and console both seem to time out..

Moved to foxbuntu 1.0

[forest current]

Too many processes, or network issues maybe

[chrome tide]

No issues logging into foxbunto 1.0

Now to figure out how to import my config file..

[chrome tide]

Found out that it's possibly an issue w/ 2.6.6+ from high cpu usage..

@polar ingot Don't install 2.6.7

There is a High CPU bug in it. They are fast tracking a new build..

[twilit mountain]

@nova frost I hate youuu 🤣 for making me do this

[mild hare]

Welcome to the club

[nova frost]

Don't tell the others, but I love you so much for doing this.

And 28.5 hours times 0.4W is only... 11.4Whr

Yeah, ok, that's not going on the sales flyer.

But woohoo!

[chrome tide]

BWHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA Good GAWD 26.5 hours....

[opaque abyss]

Honestly might be less power than my desktop would have used

[nova frost]

Yeah, I have to turn mine off these days, or the room gets too hot.