#WashTastic - 1W node based on E22-900M30S and promicro NRF52

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olive basin
olive basin
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might be abel to fit ina3221 in there

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i still have stuff to do with the nrf52 chip too

olive basin
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like adding the leds

rustic brook
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I like this concept of just rolling our own MCU, I'm glad you are smart enough to figure it out πŸ‘

olive basin
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im not smart at all πŸ˜…

rustic brook
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We'll iterate then until we get it right lol. This is a good step to get away from the RAK and Heltec boards.

olive basin
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and promicros xd

heady mulch
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They've been good to us, but not that good 😊

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Plenty to fix...

olive basin
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haha

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yes

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could even design pro promicro

olive basin
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Ill try to get this done tomorrow

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Or atleast somewhat done

rustic brook
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How do you like those SMD PH connectors? I usually use the through hole ones, but the extra support ones seem to me in short supply on LCSC. I've been thinking about using those SMD ones with the totally enclosed housings.

meager spruce
olive basin
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No need to worry about them coming loose or anything like that

rustic brook
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OK good, yeah I was worried if you managed to rip one off yet

olive basin
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the nrf52 chip can run on 5V but it needs to be connected to VDDH where currently the battery is connected, so i will just leave it at that.

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so the charge chip should supply 4.2V when u plug in the usb hopefully

olive basin
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mmmmmm.......

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much better

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its just complaining about the smallest traces and vias that jlc can do

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cuz i didnt bother changing the drc params

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ppl are gonna like the addiitional charge πŸ˜…

olive basin
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hows that, ina3221 fits there πŸ˜…

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not sure about that ble antenna

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and added gps port

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now theres text on the pins πŸ˜…

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some components werent in stock so its missing some

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tho this doesent have the fee for the tiny vias

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not tax and shipping

heady mulch
olive basin
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?

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oh shit i forgor the leds

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there, now the nrf has an led

olive basin
heady mulch
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You've got a crystal on there

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They're always a bit of a bugger - impedance matched traces, tweaking capacitors to match, etc.

olive basin
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aaah πŸ˜…

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ummm

heady mulch
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πŸ™ƒ

olive basin
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just followed this

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how ever did not follow this πŸ˜…

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values are the same

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but types arent

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xd

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sooo

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if it works it works πŸ˜…

heady mulch
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It's always one of those things that gives me pause...

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One day πŸ˜„

olive basin
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i didn't do anything fancy for the antenna so im pretty sure it will workish but how well thats a different question

olive basin
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@meager spruce V0.4 is now in github πŸ˜… no clue if it works lol

olive basin
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I wonder will i be the first one to order 0
V0.4 or someone else πŸ˜…

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And suffer when something doesn't work

meager spruce
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Won't be me, I have enough incorrectly designed boards on order to keep me busy for a while lol

olive basin
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Might be me then πŸ˜…

olive basin
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Unless there's some random madman out there

meager spruce
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For clarity, v0.3.3 is in perfect working order?

olive basin
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Latest update before v0.4 is working as it should

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I hope 🀣

gilded cedar
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Did v0.4 get INA also w/ the rework ?

olive basin
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Yup :)

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Tight fit

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But its there

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No clue if it works tho πŸ˜…

olive basin
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Address is already set tobe correct for meshtastic

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And theres no way to change it

olive basin
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Whenever ill order 0.4 I'm gonna be real sad if it doesn't work πŸ˜…

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Since its more expensive to produce than the previous version

gilded cedar
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Ya

olive basin
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I rly hope it just works πŸ˜…

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Atleast the promicro part

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I mean nrf52

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I did also increase the boost to 5.5V

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Max what the lora can take

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So now maybe when theres a voltage drop now it stays at 5v or something

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Higher than on the previous version

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Is the goal πŸ˜…

foggy tartan
olive basin
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Supposedly the chip should have uf2 bootloader but if not its just the generic nice nano bootloader

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Or the bootloader that was made by one of the members here

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Probably the later one

olive basin
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I have no clue if it works at all tho

foggy tartan
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Though with what you did here I kind of want to skip it and just send a BGA NRF52 lol

olive basin
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If the chip doesn't have bootloader u need the .hex file

gilded cedar
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What are the 2 4pin headers for ? I2C for the one next to groove connector ?

olive basin
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I2c is next to the groove an the other one is gps

gilded cedar
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AH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

olive basin
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Groove is i2c also

gilded cedar
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Forgot you wanted to break that out..

olive basin
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I'm pretty surprised I managed to fit everything in the same footprint πŸ˜…

gilded cedar
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When you're only breaking out the pins you need, it opens up some space..

olive basin
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True πŸ˜…

gilded cedar
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So I have a solar panel I want to use w/ this, but it also has like a 1200mAh battery built into the panel.. Would that affect the "solar" charging of this ?

olive basin
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Its gonna be funny when it shows promicro diy to ppl on the mesh πŸ˜…

gilded cedar
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It really is a DIY now, tho.. ;P

gilded cedar
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I'm gonna JST the wires, and give it a try.. Still need to figure out an enclosure for it..

olive basin
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Btw v0.4 power directly from usb πŸ™ƒ well... Vbus goes to the charging chip sooo... It kinda powers it lol

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But if i was u i would not order it yet πŸ˜…

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Untested

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And more expensive to produce now

gilded cedar
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Ya

olive basin
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But v0.3.2 is fine

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It should

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πŸ˜…

gilded cedar
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Just put together the second 0.3 board I have.. Didn't fix the issue w/ the IC that needs to be fixed.

olive basin
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Mmm

silver crest
olive basin
olive basin
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Yes

heady mulch
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I'm not a massive fan of that e-pad being electrically connected - too easy to bridge.

olive basin
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Yeeee.....

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Something is not right

heady mulch
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Battery protector wasn't fixed until 0.3.2

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Want me to reply to them?

olive basin
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Ooooh

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Ye go ahead

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I just remembered wrong then

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It totally makes sense cuz it was me who fixed it not u

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πŸ˜…

heady mulch
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Yeah, 0.3.1 was the BOM fixing, 0.3.2 was technical fixes.

olive basin
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Ye πŸ˜…

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Man im so sorry for that dude

heady mulch
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Can you reopen their issue?

olive basin
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Done

heady mulch
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There - replied with pics.

olive basin
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Via in the middle of the ic

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Not sure

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Nvm

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Phew

silver crest
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Hey @olive basin ever thought of selling these on Etsy even if you still had it fully open source?

meager spruce
ivory cave
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Please sell these on Etsy πŸ₯Ί

silver crest
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I’ve been selling a couple 3d prints on Etsy already

gilded cedar
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Dumb question, but what size JST are the connectors ? 2.45 or 2 ?

olive basin
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It's ph2

olive basin
olive basin
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Tho not sure how id do it

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Is it preorder or do i have some in stock πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

silver crest
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You could just have some in stock and then ship them out with the pro micros on them

heady mulch
olive basin
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Mhm

olive basin
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If we go by v0.2, 10x costed me about 200€

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V0.4 is gonna cost more

heady mulch
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5x Mikoto cost $100+
5x pro-micro cost $15

olive basin
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Yup πŸ˜…

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Soooo.... Maybe i will stock some but who knows

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Maybe I'll start with preorders

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And if this is popular I'll consider having some in stock

heady mulch
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πŸ₯³

gilded cedar
olive basin
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Indeed

heady mulch
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Could form a network of community hardware sellers...

olive basin
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Idk what that would do but im in xd

olive basin
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Soooo... When? And how? 🀣

silver crest
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It’s not that hard to sell on Etsy but the fees are a lot

olive basin
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Wasn't planning on using Etsy i think

heady mulch
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There's a few on here seem to do Etsy, but fees start at 10.5%, at least for me

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Tindie is slightly better, at around 9%

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eBay charges flat per-listing fees, but are notoriously notorious

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Kofi and Buymeacoffee both allow product sales, but have no real backend

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Patreon?

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-# onlyfans?

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Any others?

olive basin
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I was thinking of using fourthwall, i do have patreon too.

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πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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Plus my twitch subs get a small discount on fourthwall πŸ™ƒ

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And they take nothing on products i sell πŸ™ƒ

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Physical products

gilded cedar
olive basin
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Sometimes some diy stuff

olive basin
heady mulch
olive basin
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Not even if u add it to Ur cart and proceed?

heady mulch
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A bit pricey

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I'd expect one of the spicy mouse mats for that price...

olive basin
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What in the actual fuck

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Why tf is it that expensive

heady mulch
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Shipping from you to me via their selected carrier?

olive basin
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Nope πŸ˜… afaik

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Ill have to see

heady mulch
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Anyway, I've paid so now you owe me a node

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😏

olive basin
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That is rly expensive shipping πŸ˜…

heady mulch
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Wen ship?

olive basin
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Neve πŸ™ƒ

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Hmm.....

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I could set fixed shipping rates, however i can't 🀣

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I don't have fixed rates anywhere

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122€ in incognito mode πŸ˜…

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Ummm.....

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I asked about it in their discord

gilded cedar
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I'd try to help, but we don't have service in finland yet..

olive basin
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I have to think about what to use

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Not sure if Shopify could work πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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Idk

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Never rly sold anything

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I mean i can ship domestically pretty cheaply so πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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Last time it was 11.50€ when i shipped few WashTastics

heady mulch
olive basin
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Tho that was from the postal office

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I could get it cheaper if i paid online

heady mulch
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They'll pick it up from me, stick an address label on it, and take it there...

olive basin
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Okay, someone suggested to include the shippin the price

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So take avarage shipping price and add that

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Might do that

heady mulch
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Most of your customers will be in the US

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Better to find a partner over there πŸ˜‰

olive basin
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Haruki 🀣

olive basin
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Ye ye πŸ˜…

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Tom, check the price now :)

heady mulch
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Actually tempted to press the button now...

olive basin
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🀣🀣

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U won't be getting anything tho πŸ˜…

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I mean i do have have 4 spare nodes i think 🀣 but free shipping naaah 🀣🀣🀣

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If u wanna press it go ahead xd

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According to chatgpt, avarage shipping in EU is 21.40€ so ill round it up to 22€

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For small package

gilded cedar
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After wiring up a 1.25 to 2.0 JST adapter, I have both Washtastic nodes running at the same time.. Now I need to figure out the best option for enclosure, 3D Printed, or project box..

olive basin
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that rly looks good

gilded cedar
meager spruce
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The carrier board I just blanked out and manually drilled the mounting holes

gilded cedar
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Ah, I only have P1S, and I might have PETG-CF from bbl..

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Wish I would have bought a X1C instead, but they are $$$$

heady mulch
meager spruce
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Carrier boards are easy to work with. Enclosure was made for a Rak, but I've successfully put three additional variants of nodes in it

olive basin
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Oh ye the new tariff stuff

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U can just order this πŸ™ƒ

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Files are in GitHub

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That's what most ppl here did

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Shipping from here to US is ridiculous

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Tbh anywhere outside Finland is more experienced

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Tho i will be selling these at somepoint

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Its not hard :)

heady mulch
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Haruki?

olive basin
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What about haruki?

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Don't download the v0.4

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Its not tested

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On the home page click add gerber file

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And then choose pcb color if u want something else than green

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Then enable pcb assembly

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After that hit next or whatever it was

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And add bom and pnp file

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@arctic mist

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It might complain about some missing or out of stock components

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Just let me know what they were and ill see if they are needed

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Np

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V0.4 is the next step on this node but i have to first test it before i can say its ready for production

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Plus tax πŸ™ƒ

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When u go to payment

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I paid about 200€ for 10x

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It was v0.2 tho

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Oh ye thats only pcb, not assembled

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Ye thats good

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Don't worry

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Thats fine πŸ˜…

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Its just a connector

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Groove

ivory cave
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I'm not toooo worried about ordering the pcbs, but making sure the dev board and radio module go onto it without issue...

olive basin
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V0.3.2 works, v0.4 no clue 🀣

ivory cave
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Im novice with pcb soldering. Only ever soldered wires and connectors

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Im scared of pcbs πŸ˜‚

olive basin
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If u order with assembly only thing u need to solder is the promicro rly

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US?

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I will have to bug someone living there if he wants to sell these there

ivory cave
olive basin
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Gotcha

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@alpine epoch expect a dm from me πŸ™ƒ

ivory cave
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I mean I'd love to learn. Might look into practice kits for pcb soldering. Big difference on just wires and connectors(dumb components), and lot less concern about frying something like resistors, sensors, etc

olive basin
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Soldering promicro on it is not actually that hard

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Its just through hole

gilded cedar
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Hardest part is deciding what type of connectors to use.. LOL

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I used normal header pins for 1, then round headers for the second, so I could swap the promicro if needed..

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I didn't like having the long pins sticking out of the bottom of the board so much. That's why I did the round headers.. Ended snipping off the extra on the header board..

meager spruce
# gilded cedar What enclosure is it ?
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gilded cedar
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I have a 5000mAh on 1, and a 3000mAh on the other..

gilded cedar
olive basin
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Will probably make a quick v0.3.3 today or tomorrow :) small changes

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Like removing groove from bom etc

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Adding holes where u can solder battery or solar πŸ™ƒ

gilded cedar
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I hate groove so much.. LOL

meager spruce
olive basin
gilded cedar
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So who's gonna bite and order v0.4 ? LOL

meager spruce
olive basin
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At somepoint

meager spruce
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I use a general 4pin PH where Grove are needed, and then I can use both connectors. just the Grove needs to go in upside down

gilded cedar
olive basin
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I'm actually gonna change the ble antenna too lol

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On v0.4

meager spruce
gilded cedar
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If I have to modify a connector to make it fit, it's not a standard.

meager spruce
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its a proprietary connection, lol i just find ways around it.

gilded cedar
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It's a pritoritary connector..

meager spruce
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im more in favor of it for the pin order vs the connector.

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i wish the pin order was an i2c standard, the connector can kick rocls.

gilded cedar
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That's all I'm saying. The connector is pointless, if there is already a standard.. There sadly is no standard pin order for I2C, which is what really screws everyone..

meager spruce
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like some of these board makers do GND-SCL-VCC-SDA.... FFS Why!?!@#

ivory cave
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πŸ˜…

olive basin
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Wheres my cut? /J

meager spruce
ivory cave
olive basin
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We don't have πŸ™ƒ

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I think

olive basin
olive basin
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Even managed to fit that to the 31.8mmx31.8mm board πŸ™ƒ

olive basin
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So software can control it xd

meager spruce
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i thought the software needed input to turn it off?

olive basin
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Ummm... Possibly

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Actually it didn't bur now it does

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It was turned off when u had gotten a lock

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And position

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Ill add a user button to too 🀣

heady mulch
gilded cedar
olive basin
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WashTastic doesn't have user button

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Only reset

meager spruce
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i could "make" a user button by soldering straight to the board, but the case i'm using doesn't even have a spot for it

alpine epoch
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just please no side buttons, those always break off 🀣

meager spruce
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give me pads and I'll make the rest work lol

olive basin
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I enabled github sponsors πŸ™ƒ

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feel free to support if u feel like it lol

meager spruce
# heady mulch You have a drill, don't you?

If you saw how thick this thing is, you'd understand. I don't want to compromise the integrity of the outer shell for it: I may work some magic on the bottom plate where the USB port is

heady mulch
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Sounds like a job for a reed switch 🧲

gilded cedar
olive basin
olive basin
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pushed to github :)

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also made it so u can get it assembled without the connectors

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tho had to sacrifice one screw hole for user button

heady mulch
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I feel like you could shove a lot of the exposed stuff under the promicro if you wanted.

olive basin
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same goes for under the pcb

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maybe ill put some uart pads there πŸ™ƒ

gilded cedar
olive basin
gilded cedar
olive basin
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Mhm

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Also that 3.3v line can be turned off πŸ™ƒ

gilded cedar
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What are the 3 "middle" pins for anyways ?

olive basin
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Nothing 🀣

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Too lazy to remove

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I mean they can be used for whatever u want

gilded cedar
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Just extra GPIOs on the promicro ?

olive basin
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Yup

gilded cedar
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k

olive basin
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Well ldo

heady mulch
olive basin
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Canned messages πŸ˜…

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Speaking of thay hmmm.....

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Any small rocker i could use on the watch πŸ˜…

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Would have to go under the pcb sadly

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Aka manually soldering

gilded cedar
pliant kiln
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Strange regular voltage drops self-reported by washtastic/nrf52 3.1 with inactive on-board batt protection but built in protection within the pouch battery. It's running with a 5000mAH battery (half full) and on solar. Are these drops from drawing 1.7A while transmitting? This does not look that good / in-stable I guess. I don't see any reboots though.. Any thoughts?

heady mulch
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even on the lower power boards, I see big dips

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I suspect its partly due to the battery curve being generic, and having a huge cliff built-in

heady mulch
pliant kiln
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.... like a CN3791 with 5V/ 12V / 18V solar charging option. Might be useful for this board with higher energy consumption than other (rak) based boards. If we solder the nrf52 on headers / removable there is lots of realestate underneath. But I am also ok to use one of these dirt cheap CN3791 boards separately.. Sure it's not possible to cater for all use cases. This is called in German "Eierlegende Wollmilchsau" - I am sure there is a similar word in Finish...

olive basin
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anyway there rly isnt much space either way for cn3791

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this is all the stuff it needs

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altought some of thos components can be changed to smaller sizes

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and that has some extra components that washtastic already does have

meager spruce
olive basin
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i was thinking of moving it on the bottom but πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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not sure

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even if i did change it for smaller it would not affect much

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now V0.4 has user button

olive basin
gilded cedar
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Anyone have an enclosure for this board yet ? I'm janking it right now, so need some extra space for 2 of these beasts, right now..

olive basin
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@silver crest was it u who made a case?

heady mulch
gilded cedar
heady mulch
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Yeah, but these are wagos. You buy a box, it'll last a lifetime.

olive basin
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Wagos my beloved

heady mulch
gilded cedar
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I work with what I have till I have the funds to get what I need. That's why it's janking..

olive basin
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I want a voron 2.4 🀣

gilded cedar
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Get a Trident

olive basin
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Never heard of that

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Whats the difference

heady mulch
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Looks like their 3-spindle but otherwise conventional corexy

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The flying gantry thing is very complicated

olive basin
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It is πŸ˜…

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Maybe ill do trident first then 2.4 xd

heady mulch
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Save yourself! You've already got a 3d prjnter

olive basin
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Naaah, i want corexy xd

heady mulch
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I went from corexy to bed slinger.

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Zero difference

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Well, except my unfinished voron was pushing Β£800 and the Neptune 4 cost like Β£200

olive basin
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Modern bed slingers are different breed 🀣

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Anyway, i do want a more reliable and more up-to-date printer xd

heady mulch
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Then a self built voron is not it πŸ˜‰

olive basin
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Yes it is 🀣

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Untill it isn't

heady mulch
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DIY printer is a learning experience, but it is a license to tinker

olive basin
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Haha

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Anyway i do want a better printer what i currently have πŸ˜…

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Even tho it has done its job fine

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Not including Small hiccups

gilded cedar
# olive basin Whats the difference

Trident has 3 point bed leveling, the nozzle stays in place, and the bed moves up and down. VS v2.4 the bed is mounted at bottom, and nozzle moves up and down.

olive basin
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Mmm

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Got it

gilded cedar
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Trust me, you want a Trident over a v2.4

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I have a Trident kit, I still need to build..

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Also, if you want multicolor, go w/ a Turtlebox, not the ERCF..

olive basin
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πŸ‘

gilded cedar
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β–Ά Play video
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Sorry, BoxTurtle..

olive basin
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πŸ‘

gilded cedar
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Think of it as the BBL AMS but for Klipper based printers

olive basin
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Yee

gilded cedar
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I have like 14 3D Printers..

olive basin
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Dang

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I shall get a trident and a boxturtle πŸ˜…

gilded cedar
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If you can, go 350mm

olive basin
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Thats what i was planning 🀣

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I will make it fit where ever it needs 🀣

gilded cedar
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And if you have an Ender 3, you can convert it to a switchwire..

olive basin
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I got anycubic mega zero 2 πŸ˜…

gilded cedar
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Ah

olive basin
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What kit do u recommend?

gilded cedar
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LDO Kit for sure

olive basin
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Was just gonna say xd

gilded cedar
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This is a rough list of what printers I have..

EZB = Ender 3 v1, EZBoard Lite 1.3, Stock hotend w/ titanium heat break, hardened steel nozzle (removed), EZABL, Caricorn PTFE, BMG, PEI bed, Silicone bed spacers, filament runout sensor.
v2 = Ender 3 v2, Stock v4.2.2, Stock hotend, BLTouch, Red dual gear metal extruder, Caricorn PTFE, PEI bed, yellow springs, filament runout sensor. - Given to niece
427 = Ender 3 v1, v4.2.7 mainboard, Stock hotend w/ titanium heat break, BLTouch, BMG, Caricorn PTFE, PEI bed, yellow springs, filament runout sensor.
E3Pro = Ender 3 Pro, Duet 2 SBC, v6 hotend, BMG extruder, Dual Z, BLTouch, Caricorn PTFE, PEI bed, yellow springs, filament runout sensor, running Klipper.
BX = BIQU BX, H2 hotend w/ titanium heatbreak, stock inductive sensor. stock spring steel, stock dual z
E5+ = Ender 5 Plus, Stock hotend w/ titanium heatbreak, BMG Extruder, yellow sprints, glass bed, running Klipper.
BX-2 = BIQU BX, H2 hotend - Unbuilt
M3D = M3D Crane Quad, Stock - POS
CR10 S5 ? = AC Bed, Copper build plate, EZABL, no clue about anything else
Trident = Voron Trident 300mm with ERCF 12 - Unbuilt
SV01 = Sovol SV01, Stock, running Klipper.
Prusa = Prusa MK3S, E3D Titanium heat break
v2.4 = Voron v2.4 350mm, ERCF 9, Watercooled dragon ST, West3d magnetic bed, Lucid probe 24v, sexbolt z-endstop, Ribbon cable mod (FFC), rPi Screen mod
P1S = BambuLab P1S, 2x AMS, 0.4 Hardened Steel Nozzle, Hardened Steel Gears, Panda Touch, Panda Jet, X-Touch w/ chamber temp, spare parts: 0.2 nozzle complete, 0.4 nozzle, 0.4 nozzle complete
heady mulch
olive basin
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For some reason i can't find ldo kit with 350mm

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Only 300 and 250

gilded cedar
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Lemme see if I can find you a good 350mm kit

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If you were in the US, I could give you a good one. Let me check the voron discord for any finland resellers..

olive basin
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Doesn't need to be in Finland

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Eu is fine

gilded cedar
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Ah, ok

olive basin
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I've ordered so much shit that doesn't come from Finland 🀣

gilded cedar
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Can you order from GB ?

olive basin
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Anywhere 🀣

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Even from usa but that would cost more lol

olive basin
gilded cedar
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@olive basin The last link was recommended by ppl on the voron discord.

olive basin
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Thx

gilded cedar
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Just remember you might need printed parts in addition to this kit..

olive basin
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Mhm

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Voron print it forward program πŸ˜…

gilded cedar
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The voron discord does have a PiF channel, where you can get pricing from locals that are approved to print quality parts..

olive basin
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Will have to join once im ready to get a voron

gilded cedar
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I sent you an invite. if you join now, you might be able to get more info on kits before you buy..

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LDO has BoxTurtle kits, FYI..

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Annex Engineering is another CoreXY printer you can look into, so is ratrig

olive basin
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πŸ‘

gilded cedar
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A v6 nozzle is fine to start w/, but there are much better options..

olive basin
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Dont want fine, i want good 🀣

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If I'm spending close to 1k on a printer i want it to be good xd

gilded cedar
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I bought my v2.4 used, and have put about 400 bux into it..

olive basin
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Exactly

gilded cedar
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I upgraded the system to canbus, and a bunch of other things..

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It has a water cooled hotend, allowing me to print any filament I need or not need, also.. LOL

olive basin
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Mmmm

gilded cedar
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So then I built a watercooling system for the onboard rPi.. LOL

olive basin
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Haha

gilded cedar
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Off topic photos.

olive basin
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Ill allow it xd

gilded cedar
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This is the printer I was talking about that I stream on Twitch with..

olive basin
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Nice

gilded cedar
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When it's running.. I had some issues w/ it, and haven't spent the time to fix it.

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And now I have a P1S w/ 3 AMS..

tidal dawn
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If you're going into Voron kit territory look at the VzBot, don't touch my Vorons since finishing the Vz except the Ender2->Switchwire which is still slow but a set-it-and-forget-it champ at PLA.

olive basin
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Hmm

gilded cedar
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Yea, forgot about VzBot..

alpine epoch
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where did the name WashTastic come from?

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can it work in a washer? 🀣

olive basin
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πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

opaque flame
alpine epoch
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makes sense

opaque flame
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Too focused, too much passion

heady mulch
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This thread started in December.

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The smell...

gilded cedar
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Man, I really don't want to have to make my own enclosure for Washtastic.. It's gonna be a shitshow.. LOL But looks like a 50mmx60mm box would work..

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Maybe a 65, to add space for the sma jack to be mounted solid. Then just need holes for USB, bat, and solar..

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Oh, I guess groove port might be a good addition..

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@olive basin Do you have a basic case that you design for it or no ?

gilded cedar
# olive basin Nope, theres no case

Ok, I'm in tinkercad, trying to make something.. Do you happen to have spacing for the buttons and JST ports ? If not, I can try to get them..

olive basin
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I don't πŸ˜…

gilded cedar
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I've got 0 knowledge of CAD design, etc..

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So it's gonna be a basic b!tch case.. LOL

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Should have started on this on friday... 😦

olive basin
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Haha

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Pretty much same

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I do know lil bit of cas

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But not much

gilded cedar
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@olive basin do you have a cad file for the board I could use ?

olive basin
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And cannot make one

gilded cedar
gilded cedar
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Hot off the P1S.. Looks like crap.. Need to add supports think.. And maybe make the sides 2mm, rather than 1mm..

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Welp, that didn't fit...

silver crest
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Make the sides like 3 or 4 mill will help a lot with bridging over gaps

gilded cedar
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Still need to make bottom thicker, and add screw holes.. But trying to get the layout down first.

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Printingin PETG also, so that doesnt help.. LOL

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Round 2

heady mulch
gilded cedar
heady mulch
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Pla > petg for hygroscopicity

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I've heard people having to print from the dryer for petg

gilded cedar
gilded cedar
heady mulch
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What is the AMS for, then?

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Bamboo zxpenehrhdbbwvrvd?

gilded cedar
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Bambulab filament changer.

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Holds 4 spools of filament, and swaps them.

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I have 3 of them, so I can technically do 12 filaments.

meager spruce
heady mulch
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I've had a roll of pla on my printer for 3 weeks. I should wrap it up...

gilded cedar
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That PETG spool has been open to the elements for a few months and was in the dryer for about 20 hours before I put it in the AMS. Prolly need to dry it more..

gilded cedar
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I'm getting there! I think this print will be the one..

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I'm printing in PLA now also.. ;P

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only on my 4th print.. 2nd PLA print..

gilded cedar
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Welp here is my basic b!tch enclosure..

olive basin
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Nice

silver crest
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Make a lid now

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It’s easy just use some m3 screws

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Looks good

gilded cedar
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So I just unplugged USB cable from one of my washtastic boards, and it's no longer on.

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Interesting. I had to turn to switch off then back on for it to power back up..

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Battery is at 93%

olive basin
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πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

olive basin
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God dang, somebody dmed me on Reddit asking how to get my node πŸ˜…

remote jungle
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is the v0.4 tested already? is it cheaper in total cost compared to the older version that used a separate promicro?

gilded cedar
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Not to my knowledge

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I don't think it's been ordered yet, just designed.

white wind
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Just got these today!! Up and running

meager spruce
gilded cedar
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If I had money to blow I would do it.. at least the radios wlare worth something you know.. LOL

heady mulch
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@olive basin this needs to be a p-mosfet, not a n-mosfet 😦 #1194757507013427250 message

olive basin
olive basin
olive basin
gilded cedar
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I was doing 48 wire mod chips on the original xbox when they first came out.. Hair size vias, have to use a fiberglass pen to get them, then a hair solder tip..

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Not even gonna talk about the encoder legs you had to do..

olive basin
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Sounds like fun

gilded cedar
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It was TOTALLY fun....... In a masochist way..

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there you go..

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That's an example install

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That's not the same mod chip I used to do, but close enough to wire count..

olive basin
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Mmmmmm

gilded cedar
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Needs more hot glue.. LOL

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I think this is rev 2 or 3 of the Xtender modchip..

olive basin
gilded cedar
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Yea, I can check tomorrow after work.. I'm getting ready to head to bed.. It's after 9pm here.

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and I have to be up at 5am for work.

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BTW, How is it in the military for you ? I was a Chinook helicopter mechanic when I was in..

olive basin
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Wasn't to u :) if the board is V3.3 its 5.5V prior version were 5V

gilded cedar
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Oh

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LOL

olive basin
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Ofc I'm gonna try to get some exceptions lol cuz my knee isn't in the best condition yet, its healing but im not gonna make it worse

gilded cedar
olive basin
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And theres literally one person now running the thing soon πŸ˜… idk what the higher ups were thinking

gilded cedar
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What are you doing ?

olive basin
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Running an inside simulator and sone other stuff

gilded cedar
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Taking down Russia ? ;P j/k

olive basin
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Our sysadmin is on holiday and im the only one whos trained tobe the next one soooo...... Ye πŸ˜…

gilded cedar
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Oh those are fun days.. LOL

olive basin
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We have 3 ppl total from new recruits and the old one had 5 🀣

gilded cedar
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I'm 1 of 2 Network ppl for my company, we rotate oncall weekly..

white wind
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I added a GPS, what should the GPS Receive GPIO and Transmit GPIO be?

olive basin
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Did u solder them on the bottom of the pcb?

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Or?

white wind
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on the back

olive basin
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Were they big enough to solder onto?

white wind
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they wernt tooo bad.

olive basin
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I can make them bigger if need be

white wind
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having issues with the GT-U7 GPS. Meshtastic isnt picking it up for some reason.

DEBUG | ??:??:?? 69 [GPS] Trying $PCAS06,1*1A (ATGM336H)...
DEBUG | ??:??:?? 70 [GPS] Trying $PCAS06,1*1A (ATGM332D)...
DEBUG | ??:??:?? 70 [GPS] Trying $PAIR021*39 (AG3335)...
DEBUG | ??:??:?? 71 [GPS] Trying $PAIR021*39 (AG3352)...
DEBUG | ??:??:?? 71 [GPS] Trying $PQTMVERNO*58 (LC86)...
DEBUG | ??:??:?? 72 [GPS] Trying $PCAS06,0*1B (L76K)...
DEBUG | ??:??:?? 72 [GPS] Trying $PMTK605*31 (L76B)...
DEBUG | ??:??:?? 73 [GPS] Trying $PMTK605*31 (PA1616S)...
DEBUG | ??:??:?? 73 [GPS] Trying $PMTK605*31 (LS20031)...
WARN  | ??:??:?? 75 [GPS] No GNSS Module (baudrate 9600)
WARN  | ??:??:?? 75 [GPS] Give up on GPS probe and set to 9600```
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Calling it a night. I check back tomorrow.

olive basin
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Did u swap tx and rx wires?

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Tx - rx

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Rx - tx

heady mulch
olive basin
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Gotcha

meager spruce
meager spruce
olive basin
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πŸ˜…

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No

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Needs tobe for promicro i think

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Thb

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No clue

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One way to find out

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Xd

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I would use the generic bootloader

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The Meshtastic one

white wind
white wind
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thats what I had over night. And no bueno. This should support the GT-U7 GPS?

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Would the HGLRC Mini M100 GPS work? Think i may order that and give it a try.

heady mulch
white wind
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Its going to be like plugging in a usb, 3rd times always the right way.

olive basin
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Mhm

white wind
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still having issues, ordered the HGLRC Mini M100 GPS Module, it should be here tomorrow so going to try that.

white wind
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Got the GPS working... So much soldering and unsoldering. I didnt use the pins on the bottom of the board, I soldered directly to the pins. I am going to try and move them back to the ones on the bottom to see if it still works now that I have it working and know it works. This is what I did and the settings that got it to work.

GPS RX to the NRF52 P0.20
GPS TX to the NRF52 P0.22
GPS VCC to NRF52 NRF52
GPS GND to NRF52 GND

Mestastic settings
position.rx_gpio: 20
position.tx_gpio: 22```
gilded cedar
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Just put 2.6 on one of my Washtastic boards

white wind
white wind
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Just typical troubleshooting…. Typically the RX goes to TX and TX to RX. In this case it’s direct. RX to RX and TX to TX plus the mapping out I put above in meshtastic.

olive basin
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Whaaaatttt

heady mulch
gilded cedar
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Anyone put 2.6 on their washtastic ?

pliant kiln
olive basin
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Hmmmm...... Could it be overcurrent stuff πŸ€”

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2A πŸ€”

gilded cedar
olive basin
jolly wigeon
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Washtastic node is up and running!

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Was there a trick to getting it to run off the 5v input? For some reason mine works fine off the pro micro USB-C but it wouldn't power on with only the 5v input (yes, I did forget about the power switch initially but fixed that already πŸ€¦πŸΌβ€β™‚οΈ)

olive basin
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Ummmm...... πŸ˜… U dont. I think on v0.4 u could, not sure. Its also untested so not recommended

jolly wigeon
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Ahhh haha no wonder. I feel dumb - just realized I should just feed 5V (off USB) into the solar port instead. Duh!

jolly wigeon
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Uhhh oh. Just found out the hard way that I should've checked the polarity more carefully! I didn't notice that the smaller through holes for the battery (under the bigger U6 PH2.0 socket) are the opposite of both U6 and the the through holes for solar (+ on the left, - on the right). Definitely let out some smoke - I'll be more careful with #2 🀦

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Might make a note somewhere for dummies like me (unless I just missed it) πŸ˜‰

heady mulch
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@olive basin make a note: more reverse polarity protection on the next iteration πŸ™ƒ

olive basin
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Ummm... Wut

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Oh

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Oh

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Shit

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Thats not supposed to be like that πŸ˜…

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Gotta fix that when i get on a computer

silver crest
jolly wigeon
jolly wigeon
jolly wigeon
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Wanted to double check if there are any recommended changes from the standard DIY pro micro/SX1262 settings. I didn't see any likely suspects but figured I'd ask

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FYI the one that I got the polarity wrong definitely let out some smoke but still seems to work fine (and can still charge/run off the battery). Seemed like the smoke came from around U5 or R5 so may try to investigate further later with a multimeter if there are any obvious candidates to check

olive basin
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Tx power is what u need to change

heady mulch
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Oh yeah, not more than 16 or 17 in the EU.

olive basin
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Yup

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Def didn't have it at 22 πŸ™ƒ

heady mulch
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I always forget. I've added it to my Femtofox usb-config now, so it's harder to mess up.

olive basin
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Gud

gilded cedar
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What the chance of being able to swap radio to this ? E22-900M33S LOL

olive basin
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The 5v boost most likely can't handle the current

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Rated for 2A

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I mean it might πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

gilded cedar
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Yea, it's a big boy radio.. LOL

meager spruce
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it's working ok for me Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

heady mulch
meager spruce
jolly wigeon
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Made a little mounting plate for a 4x4x2 Carlon junction box I'd picked up at Home Depot a while back

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I including mounting holes for M2.5 screws (since the M3s I had were a little tight in the WashTastic holes)

olive basin
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Nice

olive basin
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WashTastic fixed i hope

jolly wigeon
# olive basin WashTastic fixed i hope

@olive basin no idea if this is actually a good idea but you might consider flipping the + and - on the 5V through holes too (so that + is always on the right when looking at a JST socket from the nearest edge)

olive basin
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solar is also the other way

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the 5V currently goes the shortest path possible

jolly wigeon
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Solar is the same now, no?

olive basin
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@heady mulch can't find the message of the issue u pointed but this is correct now yes?

olive basin
jolly wigeon
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But I see now it looks like you're constrained on the 5v with that mounting hole anyway. Sorry just wondered but sounds like not ideal to switch

heady mulch
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I think the mosfet is mirrored

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So it needs to prevent usb power back-feeding the solar panel

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But I can't remember.

olive basin
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i wonder if this is correct now

heady mulch
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1 k is a bit low

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25mW at all times...

olive basin
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1M ohm?

heady mulch
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too much

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10k?

olive basin
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prob

heady mulch
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P=V^2/R

olive basin
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3mW?

heady mulch
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Sounds better

olive basin
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aight

robust canyon
#

Just built one, it seems it's having some issue with low RSSI on receive

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From 2 ft away Washtastic receives my other node at 50dBm and other node receives Washtastic at 12dBm

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Tested with a diy Ikoka nano and a Heltec. Washtastic gets really high RSSI from both.

olive basin
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Ummmm....

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πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

robust canyon
olive basin
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I wonder what it could be

robust canyon
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I've tested a couple different antennas, no change.

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Going to try reflowing the solder especially around the ground pads of the E22 and see if that makes a difference

olive basin
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Ur the first one to report this so don't know if this issue is only for u or is it for everyone

robust canyon
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My best guess would be bad solder joints. I had JLCPCB do everything except the promicro. If that doesn't work I'll try replacing out the E22.

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One thing I did notice while comparing the two boards, the Ikoka has a lot more stitching vias compared to the Washtastic.

Maybe that might help, but I'm talking out of my ass here and have no technical experience with PCB design

olive basin
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Shouldn't matter rly

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I also soldered promicro myself

heady mulch
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@olive basin you're using pin 0.17 for Rx switching, right?

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Might be stuck on Rx mode or something

olive basin
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Ummm... The one that is listed in the config iirc

heady mulch
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Yeah, just think of sources for the problem

olive basin
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Yee

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It could be bad contact πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

heady mulch
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Or a bad module.

olive basin
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That too

robust canyon
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JLCPCB solder joints

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I'll reflow and report back

olive basin
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Oh, i see how u soldered the promicro

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U might have some contact issues :)

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The radio module looks good

robust canyon
olive basin
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Oh theres pins

gilded cedar
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If I post my basic bitch case, can someone please take it and make it better.. LOL

olive basin
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I rly should have some sort of a place where ppl could upload images of their builds made with my boards πŸ˜…

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@alpine epoch @heady mulch ideas? 🀣

alpine epoch
olive basin
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they just get lost here πŸ˜…

meager spruce
olive basin
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hmmmm

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truu

heady mulch
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Ask for a diy-builds channel?

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I asked for a DIY channel and we got a thread...

olive basin
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hmmmm....

remote jungle
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question: is there a reason not to use the CN3791 instead? it appears that it's compatible with a lot more solar panels (up to 28V input)

olive basin
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It requires more components πŸ˜…

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Maybe on some other board

olive basin
olive basin
remote jungle
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is the PCB size constrained?

heady mulch
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And some services charge by the PCB area

jolly wigeon
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Question - I have a few bare boards I am thinking about trying to hand solder. If I don't need the 5V output, are there any components I can leave out (or is all of that needed anyway for the 5V that feeds the E22)?

olive basin
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The module works with 3.3v.
I guess u could power it directly from the battery too but u won't be able to get 1W

olive basin
robust canyon
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Built a second one and it's working great

stray pelican
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i'm doing something quite similar to this

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but with an esp32-s3-mini

solid scaffold
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Exciting project. I’d be willing to pull the trigger on 0.4 if nobody has yet. Might make a few changes for my own power supply plans but otherwise this is an awesome looking setup.

Has anyone tried the more powerful 900M33S module? The boost converter might not be able to handle the amps but I would be powering with an external supply.

gilded cedar
olive basin
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Nobody has not tested 0.4

olive basin
heady mulch
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Oh...

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Oh no....

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433mhz is max 14dbm...

olive basin
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Mmmm

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Dang

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Lol

white wind
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is that someone you dont know selling your design?

heady mulch
olive basin
olive basin
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idk if this is good

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i wrote some stuff myself and then gave it to chatgpt

silver crest
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Hey if it works it works

olive basin
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I'm bad at making stuff sound good πŸ˜…

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Tbh thay could be better still

heady mulch
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Remind me in like 4 hours.

olive basin
heady mulch
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hihi

stray pelican
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what battery are you using?

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just a standard li-ion?

olive basin
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Yeee

stray pelican
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how'd you do the battery management?

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i'm working on a similar project and the hardest part is the battery

olive basin
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Soo whats the issue?

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@stray pelican

stray pelican
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tp4056?

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i'm thinking of using a buck-boost to get 5v out of the battery

stray pelican
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how'd you get both 5v and 3.3v?

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i believe you need a seperate step-down and step-up

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and 1W doesen't require a ham license in the US right? (i mean i have one anyway, but i would like encryption)

heady mulch
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Charging is via CN3163, which is superior to the TP405x in that it can charge from solar without going weird.
Protection is from a XB8089D0 - LV cutoff occurs at 2.9V
It has a boost integrated to get the 5V for the radio.
The MCU has its own LDO for 3.3V

heady mulch
stray pelican
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should be ya

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i don't think i need the xb8089

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because the battery i'm using has its own integrated protection chip

heady mulch
stray pelican
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not sure, it's just a little pcb integrated in the battery thingy

heady mulch
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Anyway, pretty sure you can just bridge it if you're not bothered.

heady mulch
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πŸ˜‰

stray pelican
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perhaps

heady mulch
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We love this particular xb8089 because it cuts off higher, and on normal NRF boards it's possible to drain a lithium cell quite low.

olive basin
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I have a question, how many here is from EU? And is interested in buying these?

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Not Europe but EU

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It wasn't reversed in the design

remote jungle
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depends on how much the price + shipping is

olive basin
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35€ + tax + 23€ shipping since i have no idea what it actually might be πŸ˜… that was the avarage shipping in eu

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Maybe after i know how much it actually is i can reduce it.

heady mulch
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I don't want to poke project history because it has so much of it...

olive basin
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i didnt touch the battery port between 0.3.3 and 0.3.3b πŸ˜…

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neither have i done that since the beggining

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so 0.2

heady mulch
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I can see that you could swap the connection around, cos they're offset from the pads, but I was struggling to see that you had done that

olive basin
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its the same layout

heady mulch
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Bad transistor?

olive basin
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πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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and since it still worked after that happend so idk what happened

heady mulch
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Photo of their connector?

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Ah, feckit. From now on just put a bridge rectifier on every connector.

olive basin
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nothing looks broken on the photos

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so i rly don't know

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it rly could be jlc thing

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hmmm

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i asked to get a phot of the connector

gilded cedar
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@olive basin I think we need to convince @dim kernel to make a Washtastic enclosure.. LOL ;P

olive basin
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🀣

heady mulch
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You've got a reverse polarity MOSFET on the positive, and the xb8089 on the negative. I can't see how you can put a battery on the wrong way round unless it was powered on when it was connected.

olive basin
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ye no clue lol

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or some manufacturing defect

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on the board itself

gilded cedar
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Has the 0.4 cherry been popped yet ?

olive basin
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no 🀣

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i don't have time for that

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plus it costs money lol

gilded cedar
olive basin
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nope 🀣

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i get 6,10€ daily and its paid by every 2 weeks πŸ˜…

gilded cedar
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Is it mandatory for service time in Finland ? Or Volunteer ?

olive basin
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mandatory

gilded cedar
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Ah

olive basin
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i only got bit over 6 months left πŸ˜…

gilded cedar
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I joined the army here in the US at 16.. Was in for just under 2 years, and they discharged me for medical reasons.

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What's the mandatory time ? 2 year ?

olive basin
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6 months, 9 months or a year πŸ˜… depends what u do

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9 months is for special jobs

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and i'm in one of those

gilded cedar
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OH! That's not that bad..

olive basin
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u need to apply to those separetly

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brb

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back ish

jolly wigeon
# olive basin or some manufacturing defect

This is the same issue that burned me. The through holes on the battery connector are reversed polarity from the pads just above them. Not a manufacturing issue - the good news is that my board still seems to work despite the smoke

olive basin
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how tf can they be

jolly wigeon
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I believe this is from after you fixed it

olive basin
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i don't remember touching the battery port πŸ˜…

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oh

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ye

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πŸ˜…

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nvm

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thanks github πŸ˜…

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and commit history

olive basin
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ye i had completly forgotten that

gilded cedar
olive basin
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dang

jolly wigeon
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I think mine burned up something on the pro micro bc it seems to work fine after swapping in a new one (and the pro micro that used to be on that Washtastic had issues in other working boards). You might mention that to the person who opened the issue on GitHub.

olive basin
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prob should tell that it might not work at all πŸ˜…

heady mulch
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I think you should!

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You need a status table on the front page saying which ones to use

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Or a release of the correct files

olive basin
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πŸ˜…

heady mulch
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Well, your most expensive PCB yet...

olive basin
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indeed πŸ˜…

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tho its pcbway too

heady mulch
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Yeah, those guys....

olive basin
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mhm

gilded cedar
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So this is odd.. I got a notification from Meshtastic android app, saying my board is at 2% battery, but when I goto the node, it says 31% still.

olive basin
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Intresting

silver crest
# olive basin πŸ˜…

Why’s it so expensive? What’s different about this new version than the older one?

olive basin
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Pcbway plus nrf52 is on the pcb itself

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4 layers

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I do don't recommend getting it

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Its not tested

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Plus it has ina3221

heady mulch
olive basin
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V0.3.3b doesn't have ina πŸ™ƒ

gilded cedar
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The NRF MCU is $$$$$ from PCB manfs..

heady mulch
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And yet only $ on a pro-micro πŸ€”

gilded cedar
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Yea

heady mulch
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The keeb folk think they're old or reclaimed stock

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But who has found a shipping container of 1 000 000 MCUs?

gilded cedar
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So at 23% now, android app still showing its at 2%..

robust canyon
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Does the charging IC on anyone elses promicro get hot AF when the following conditions are met?

  1. usb connected
  2. switch ON position
  3. LiPo connected
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No smoke but I can't hold my finger to it for more than a second

gilded cedar
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Never tested IC temps..

robust canyon
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Yeah idk if it just randomly started or if it's been this way all this time

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I've charged it multiple times and I by chance happened to touch the usb c shield and it was hot

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Heat seems to be coming from the LTH7 module

olive basin
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No clue πŸ˜…

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Its trying its best to supply enough current to sustain the whole board so yeee.....

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Anyway

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Idk

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Trying to charge and supply the board with like 100mA idk xd

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Or 300mA if boosted

robust canyon
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Does not do it when the switch is turned off tho

olive basin
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hmmmm......

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its prob trying to charge the battery πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ

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not rly sure

silver crest
olive basin
olive basin
heady mulch
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Its got cc1/cc2 resistors for normal 5v operations, I think

olive basin
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Ye

gilded cedar
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Ok, so I let the node fully kill the battery. It ran at 2% from app notification for over 12 hours I think..

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It died around 3am PST this morning.

heady mulch
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Hmmmm... My DIY nodes run at 0% for like a day.

gilded cedar
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It may have been longer honestly. Not sure how to track it..

gilded cedar
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If you can find the nrf chip for cheap, you can send them to the pcb manf and they will install them..

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What is the cost diff between v3 and v4 ?

olive basin
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Ummm.... 200 xd

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I paid 200 for 10x

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Euro's

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And then that one person has $400 tho idk how many

gilded cedar
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I know 5 was around 120 USD for v3

silver crest
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I think that’s what I paid for v3

olive basin
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But 0.3.3b is prob about the same

gilded cedar
# olive basin V0.2

Ah, ya, pretty sure it is.. I don't remember which version I got from Jude now..

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But it was def a 0.3.x

olive basin
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b is the newest

silver crest
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Attempting to port this board to meshcore if anyone is interested. Never done it before so we will see how it goes

olive basin
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I mean it should work lol

gilded cedar
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Just out of pure boredum, can an ESP32 be wired up to this board ?

heady mulch
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just follow the pin mapping through

olive basin
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What have i done to this poor thing

olive basin
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Who ever wanted cn3791 on WashTastic u got what u asked

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Should work fine πŸ˜…

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Not sure about the version number yet tho