US - Connecticut.

[final loom]

oh good idea.

[toxic shard]

Or just "Community Mesh Network" and hope their eyes glaze over and nobody technical asks further details

[final loom]

OH thats how the pax counter works.

i didnt realize it just scans for electronic signals lol

[final loom]

lol

[toxic shard]

I wish I could bring a pax counter node here, just for the pun of it https://east.paxsite.com/

[final loom]

that'd be insane.

so many people

[toxic shard]

Indeed

[final loom]

i think i said this the other day im hoping next time i go to a con i can utilize meshtastic for communication between me and my friends cuz usually the cell networks in and around the con center are so flaky cuz the number of people

just get a bunch of t1000e's and give em to my friends

[brave karma]

Thats a cool idea

[toxic shard]

Cons and festivals are a great use case

[toxic shard]

The meshtastic folks have done special firmwares to do testing on massive node gatherings like DefCon

[toxic shard]

nice, thanks. Did not see your reply on the node

[brave karma]

I do not. I also just tried to send a message in ConnNet.

I have it set as primary.

not sure if that's correct or not.

[tardy steeple]

Milford shoreline . Just had to google Brooklyn CT lol

[brave karma]

aren't other channes "dissabled" by default?

[toxic shard]

secondaries are disabled by default

Normally you have the default primary and then add secondaries for private channels like ConnNet

[brave karma]

ah. thought you were in Killingly for some reason. I do see a few nodes (same location) there form time to time.

[toxic shard]

but some people use other channels as primary to keep their telemetry private, or for other reasons

As long as the channel name and PSK are correct, it doesn't matter if it's primary or secondary, the channel will work if nodes are in range

[tardy steeple]

Not that hard to make things .

Smoke detectors and a bunch of tritium night sights is a good start …

[toxic shard]

you don't need to get on any more watchlists

[final loom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Hahn

lol

[toxic shard]

That said, this is an interesting channel too https://www.youtube.com/@RadioactiveDrew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2KIh1at5Jk

[strong gust]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilbert_U-238_Atomic_Energy_Laboratory

They just don't make fun stuff like this anymore

[tardy steeple]

Nothing new . My packets always get lost

[final loom]

i have a node i use for tracking things (my dog) so the primary on that is my own private channel and then secondary is the normal longfast. then on tyhe node i carry with me I have longfast as the primary and my private as a secondary and luckily the precise gps works

[toxic shard]

positions can be turned on or off on a per-channel basis. The main reason to have a private primary is to hide NodeInfo packets and telemetry like battery state, channel utilization, etc.

(this was made possible in the 2.5 firmwares, before that you needed a private primary to have private positions)

Another common reason to not have the default primary is to not get messages from random folks, like if you give a node to a family member who isn't into the hobby, you don't want them complaining that ghostface is sending them poop emojis. Hypothetically

Makes me want to make some hybrid Radiacode meshtastic node that puts count rate and dose out as telemetry

[brave karma]

I haven't been getting any MQTT mesages coming in over LongFast (put it back on primary, ConnNet secondary - no chatter either). Which makes me wonder if my node is receiving anything at all.

That being said, Liam updated my position. So something is somethinging

OMG, open tabs. so many open tabs.

Oh, or not. That's an old position on Liam. hrrmmm.

Fart sandwhiches.

[tardy steeple]

I got nothing on 2.6 as soon as I went back to 2.5 with a full wipe it went back to normal

[brave karma]

Yeah, reset is in progress.

[tardy steeple]

Another user was having the same issues

Thinking about grabbing one for personal use . Debating over these two

[toxic shard]

https://tenor.com/Wkic.gif

https://tenor.com/bjTJP.gif

[hidden timber]

the repeater mini is awesome 👌

[tardy steeple]

I like my bed not the couch 😆

[brave karma]

reinstalled 2.5. Still wasnt working. Figured out that, among other things, it's GP to set your region. Lol. 😬

Liam finally updated. none of my messages are going out though it seems. Eh.

[tardy steeple]

I had one shipped to me for someone . I set it all up and mounted it on a cabin .

It seemed nice tho

[toxic shard]

Yup, region is the most important setting.

[tardy steeple]

Currently using pliers to cut my kids hair out of the hair brush it’s stuck in

FML

Brb

[brave karma]

lol. d'oh

[brave karma]

https://tenor.com/view/tom-hanks-forrest-gump-not-a-smart-man-not-smart-gif-4495828

I wish i still had access to ArcGIS. I would make so many maps for site planning.

[next cloak]

That's me but my signal doesn't get out much unfortunately. I'm in a bad location for 900 MHz. You probably won't hear me in Brooklyn.

[tardy steeple]

You know, I lived on and off Connecticut my entire life and I didn’t even know there was a Brooklyn

[tardy steeple]

Busy night

Can any of yall benefit from this build ?

I have one set up down here and am trying to expand the mesh

Prob like $150 shipped ( edit )

If not I’m going to put it on my website

Meshtastic PoE BBS Build

This build was inspired by The Comms Channel. Shoutout for the solid info and guidance.

Build List:

Etsy:
• WisBlock Mounting Kit for RAK Wireless RAK19007 and Raspberry Pi

YouTube:
• Assembly and setup instructions available on The Comms Channel’s YouTube

Rokland:
• RAKwireless WisBlock Meshtastic Starter Kit US915 (SKU 116016)

AliExpress:
• RG-178 UFL to SMA Male Plug adapter
• 915MHz Cavity Filter for Helium Network
• PoE 48V to USB-C 5V/4A Power Over Ethernet Splitter for Raspberry Pi 5
• 5-pack U.FL to SMA Female/Male antenna pigtail cables (17cm)
• Raspberry Pi Zero 2 W with header (includes Bluetooth 4.2, BLE, onboard antenna)
• Waveshare 5V RJ45 Ethernet USB HUB HAT for Raspberry Pi
• M20 RJ45 Waterproof Cat5/5E/6 Connector (IP67 rated)
• USB Type-C to Micro USB adapter

Amazon :
• ALFA Network 915MHz 5dbi Omni Antenna for LoRa HaLow
• M12 Green Air Valve Breather Cap

Best Buy:
• Essentials brand 5’ USB-A to Micro USB Charge-and-Sync Cable (not pictured — forgot to connect it)

[toxic shard]

you've made 150 of those?

Or $150 shipped?

[tardy steeple]

150$ shipped

I’ve made 5 of these

That’s the only one I have left

[toxic shard]

I read it as the former and was all "he's got a factory going down there"

You're underpricing, I think.

I'm in a "don't buy shit" moment for a while, but definitely a good looking build and a great price

[tardy steeple]

Ooo I know . I just want it too be used and benefitted from .

[toxic shard]

Only thing I'd probably do diff is put the breather on the bottom, but that's probably just me being paranoid

[tardy steeple]

I was thinking about making these in bulk but the problem is . You can get ready to go ones for about $100

[toxic shard]

yeah, but neither of those have a Pi or PoE or a filter

[tardy steeple]

True

[fervent sky]

(Not)Muzi Works ThinkNode

Sounds kinda like a name rip off from IBM/Lenovo

There's multiple models of the ThinkNode

[toxic shard]

"high gain"

[tardy steeple]

That’s not even Muzi tho

[fervent sky]

Email came from Muzi just now, I didn't really look into it yet

[toxic shard]

I'd dig it if it was IPS65 rated or better

But it doesn't appear to have any rating.

[toxic shard]

Yes nick, we know you're fliyng...

[tardy steeple]

I thought airplane usage was illegal. I’m not being a dick or anything, but that’s what I was told.

[toxic shard]

It's not an obvious clear answer. If anyone finds it, I'm curious. I wouldn't try to find out by spamming the public channel after saying what flight I was on, but I'm an old fuddy duddy like that.

[tardy steeple]

I wanna know who to contact so I can actually get a factual answer on that

I was told by your TSA gate agent I believe her name is Baker that my devices were illegal to use on board and I had to power them off.

I was told that at Logan international airport

[tardy steeple]

I didn’t I don’t even personally tell people where I am or what I’m doing and if I check into a hotel or I go out to eat, I don’t post it on social media or anywhere so I’ve already left that actual place

[toxic shard]

I'm not that careful, but it's a wise precaution. I know some other folks who follow a similar plan.

Hello all from toilet stall 4b near the Sabaro at West Farms - took a dump - porcelain contacts are real! I am receiving lots of smells and even writing my name in a puddle on the floor. Will broadcast this message periodically

[tardy steeple]

Now that’s some funny shit

[toxic shard]

I'm here all week, tip your servers

[tardy steeple]

The American tipping culture is out of control

[toxic shard]

Found Mr Pink 😉

But yeah, I'm waiting for a vending machine to ask me if I want to add 20%

LOL, this whole NICK fiasco just really really made me want to get off LongFast 😉

[fervent sky]

Half way through Pennsylvania, he's their problem now. What a tool

[tardy steeple]

I shut off my external notification buzzer lol

[brave karma]

Well, I guess I should be thankful I'm still getting nothing on long fast lol

[fervent sky]

Lol First time noticing how emojis display on the T114 screen

[tardy steeple]

That’s my poo emoji 😂

[hidden timber]

god that was obnoxious, phone was going apeshit in my pocket while i was in a meeting

[void cape]

I can find a home for it probably. Not sure if it’s going to necessarily improve the mesh size.

[hidden timber]

I’d say we need reliability over size at this point

[toxic shard]

Every time I see the Otis Elevator tower I think... what if...

[toxic shard]

H2T is so tasty

[tardy steeple]

General elevator ?

[toxic shard]

Might as well be called "Goesup Corp"

Goesup & Down, LLC

[tardy steeple]

I made a error listing a h2t

I purchased the case and assembled it and threw it on my online shop

Not allowed to. Oops

[toxic shard]

i want to be in a timeline where that's a thing

Sell it on ebay as used, it'll probably get the same price

No shade, but are you banned on ebay?

[fervent sky]

Still my favorite portable/mobiles nodes

[tardy steeple]

No

[toxic shard]

Nice

Unrelated, I found I had two unbuild Flexo cases.... so now I need to make some more nodes https://www.zerofox3d.com/collections/flexo-for-rak-wisblock-heltec-pi-pico

I think I got one for the T114 and one for the Pico? I can't remember

[toxic shard]

oh no, I got one for a pico+waveshare, one for a rak 19007/19003, and I got a Nibbler+ for the T114

All unbuilt. No you have a problem.

That's after getting a HeltecV3 Nibbler and Nibbler+, and a Bender

[void cape]

As long as you have less radios than me, it’s not an addiction lol

[toxic shard]

My wife doesn't ask about my radios and I don't ask about her crafts. Happy Marriage

[void cape]

Hahaha

[tardy steeple]

Same here ! I keep trying to sneak a node into her craft area tho .

@toxic shard did you see this ?

#trademark message

[void cape]

I have enough ham radios, FRS radios, mesh 900MHz equipment (including WiFi HaLow mesh equipment which would be VERY cool if we could set up like Meshtastic is), GMRS, and even a CB radio or two. Not counting the SDR’s, direction finding array, or the satellite antenna for GOES imagery.

[tardy steeple]

Throw MeshCore on one . Haha

I’m thinking about putting both a MeshCore and a Meshtastic radio in the same enclosure both with cavity filters .

Doing some research and testing currently .

[tardy steeple]

Really disappointed to say I’ll have to file a chargeback on Etsy. I took the time to promote this seller with quality photos and shared their shop link, sending traffic their way and now they’re not even shipping orders. This is unacceptable.

[void cape]

Some people just have no integrity

[brave karma]

GAAHH I'm supposed to be figuring out how to get a suit for my brother's wedding next week, but I can't stop obsessing over mesh things. how is it 9????

I DONT WANT TO BE FANCY! I JUST WANT TO NODESSSS!!!

[fierce moss]

lol

[brave karma]

it is now 10. still not fancy.

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-and-take-my-money-money-futurama-gif-6882124657810317443

@tardy steeple

[tardy steeple]

Yeah, I’m just a little upset. I was more or less his first as Customer gave him a shout out with some really nice photos and post it in several groups and I’ve seen several different people order from him and now it’s just he’s not shipping anything.

I don’t know if he took the cash and ran. He is sick something happened. He’s not responding to anybody so nobody knows a thing.

Thought it was funny it was named “ghost tastic”. It was a really nice print with precise heat sinks and sealed up flawless

[void cape]

Men’s Warehouse?

[tardy steeple]

Ooo that’s easy

https://youtu.be/2Wf6BcZS3AY?si=jhryKGCCKcbAkEFi

[tardy steeple]

I’ve always gone to Jcpenney

[void cape]

They closed the one near me

[fierce moss]

doing some server maintenance. mqtt disruptions for just a bit

[fierce moss]

mqtt restored

[brave karma]

This. Incredible.

Yeah i guess im going to check macys or something, and men's warehouse.

at least i know what tie im wearing lol

[hidden timber]

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/s/3A9ywvBklq

That’s…

[tardy steeple]

Thought this was funny lol

[hidden timber]

box is down for a bit, updating its firmware :)

[tardy steeple]

Pulling my box down the rain stopped anyone connected to Fairfield County

20 mins approx

[void cape]

That is so fake lol

[tardy steeple]

Nah , when you TX it can jump a car battery with the small purchase of an additional adapter

lol

[void cape]

When you hit the TX button you give yourself a massive radiation burn lol

[tardy steeple]

True

[void cape]

10 watts is plenty strong for a handheld

lol, 300 watts at 2m is like an 8 foot exclusion zone

According to the AARL calculator

[steady solar]

Yeah that's the turbo way of giving yourself cancer if that was real

[void cape]

It’s not ionizing radiation, so not necessarily. It generally just heats the tissue from inside.

It heats in much the same way a microwave oven cooks, which also doesn’t emit ionizing radiation.

When the energy levels/frequency exceed ultraviolet radiation, that’s when you get ionizing radiation which will cause cancer.

[toxic shard]

throws away sunscreen

Unrelated to radiation, probably: PVGS: The VSUN has moved to our PV Open channel.https://forms.gle/v631UJ5yyqjmMPhR8

This is some definition of "open" I was not previously aware 😛

Eh, it gives you the channel after filling out, I guess it doesn't matter what you put

[tardy steeple]

Tariffs are crazy

[toxic shard]

That's some doody duty right there

[tardy steeple]

According to what the rack Wireless representative told me is you have to buy 100% complete assembled units and it qualifies for like a 20% tariff compared to 125% tariff for individual parts

Like complete assembled and flashed

[toxic shard]

What if you founded a religion? Could you bring them in tax-free then? Church of the Immaculate Node 🙏

[tardy steeple]

https://downloads.rakwireless.com/campaign/rakwireless-hts-and-tariff-support-guide-for-us-buyers.pdf?utm_source=textad_store&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=hts-code-tariff-guide&utm_term=download-our-hts-and-tariff-guide&utm_content_pdf

[visual mist]

"Yes, encrypted decentralized chat IS the song of my people and the word of the One True Node!"

[toxic shard]

LongFast Brother Brother

[visual mist]

::to the tune of the monks chanting from the start of Monty Python and the Quest for the Holy Grail::

"LongFast, ShortFast, MediumFast...ShortSlow, LongSlow, ShortTurbooooooo"
THUDD
"LongFast, ShortFast, MediumFast"
THUDD
"ShortSlow, LongSlow, ShortTurbooooooo"
THUDD

[tardy steeple]

Via AI

Haha YES — you’re onto something!

Starting a church (even a brand-new religion) is totally legal in the U.S.
And yes, churches can be tax-exempt if you set it up right — even if you just founded it.

The Church of the Immaculate Node sounds legendary already.
(I’m picturing monks in robes setting up Meshtastic nodes on mountaintops.)

Here’s the basic idea:
• Freedom of religion is protected by the First Amendment.
• You don’t have to be old, famous, or huge to be a real church.
• IRS rules say you need to have some “standard” church traits (like gatherings, doctrine, leadership structure, etc.)
• Once you set it up right, you can apply for tax-exempt status under 501(c)(3).
• Even without filing, if you act like a church, you’re usually already considered tax-exempt. Filing just gives you an official letter.

Quick checklist for a real “church” according to the IRS:
• Recognized creed and form of worship
• Regular meetings
• Organization of ministers/pastors/elders
• Distinct religious history or code
• Congregation (doesn’t need to be huge)
• Place of worship (even a house counts)
• Religious services

Translation:
If you gather some people, preach the Word of the Node, and meet regularly, you’re in business.

Extra crazy part:
Churches don’t have to file tax returns like normal nonprofits either.

@fierce moss Can we use your barn for this lol

[fierce moss]

Haha. Sure

[toxic shard]

Seems like maybe they're not exempt from import tariffs 😦

[visual mist]

Huh...yeah tax exempt may not be tariff exempt

[visual mist]

It's a shame though, because I just realized we could have a relic called the Holy Ham Grenade of Antioch...to fight the killer rabbits and such

[fervent sky]

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-hand-grenade-antioch-gif-13499233

[final loom]

Speaking of religion I finally received my first message in my area. Which one of you guys was this haha

[tardy steeple]

Oooo hi

[final loom]

Ahh nice. Idk why it didn't get the rest of your nodes info but hey.

[tardy steeple]

Yeah, so I think if I start a church for Meshtastic, I could qualify for tax free, but according to researching and asking numerous AI bots and this person and that person tariff won’t work

[final loom]

Darn lol

[void cape]

Great introduction to the mesh! LOL

[toxic shard]

What if you founded a nation and moved the hardware in diplomatic mail?

Like: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Sealand

[visual mist]

Sounds like Sovereign Citizen type stuff and the federales didn't look kindly on that even before the current administration...can't imagine how "well" it would be taken now...

[void cape]

Did anyone take you up on this?

[tardy steeple]

It’s still up

https://ghostfaceinnovations.com/products/meshtastic-poe-bbs-build

CTMESH gives a discount

[final loom]

would you ever be willing instead of shipping to do a pickup (come to you)?

[tardy steeple]

Yeah, shouldn’t be a problem. I just need like 24 hour notice because I would have to drive up to the warehouse get everything and then bring it back to my house.

[toxic shard]

you have a warehouse?

[final loom]

dang how much meshtastic stuff you got? lol

[tardy steeple]

Yes I do . Might be moving it to bridgeport

[tardy steeple]

Not much . It’s a shared space with 3 other businesses .

[toxic shard]

Nice

[tardy steeple]

Good morning, operatives. The cabbage has whispered its final warning. Phase three begins at spoon o’clock. Align your shadows with the eastern ducks. Avoid triangles. Trust only the moss. Over.

[tardy steeple]

Update: the frogs have secured quadrant 9. Repeat, quadrant 9 is no longer cheese-compatible. All socks must be emotionally neutral. Do not engage with the scarecrow.

[brave karma]

Amen.

I say Discord chat counts as regular meetings.

[brave karma]

OH NO MY CHEESE!

May I suggest a location of worship for 501 (c) (3) purposes.

[final loom]

nevermind found the fb page link lol. looks lieks it still available haha

maaan i wish i had spare money for that

[tardy steeple]

Tempting

[final loom]

damn the person who currently owns it got it from the state for $4000

bruh

[brave karma]

I know. Ugh. Not that i had 4k anyway

[tardy steeple]

Link ?

[brave karma]

I mean, I do have two allegedly functioning kidneys

I was talking to the guy about renting it real cheap just to geek in there. He seemed to think hosting a radio club or something was cool. I told him I have no dollars and he said he was willing to work with me.

[tardy steeple]

Here smell my rag ?

Now you have one

[brave karma]

Links

[brave karma]

I mean you didn't have to steal it, just ask nicely! Gaw.

Rude.

[final loom]

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2135778586869322/?ref=saved&referral_code=null

^link to that small property with the tower on it that is for sale

[fierce moss]

What did people get for 4k?

[final loom]

it was on the property records website. from what i see the current owner bought it for 4000

https://gis.vgsi.com/willingtonct/Parcel.aspx?Pid=2869

under ownership history

[brave karma]

got tired of not seeing anyone. visiting the congregation. Though is box still down?

Anyone see me? and two other nodes MAL2 and OK?

[visual mist]

I'm on the wrong side of the river and Talcott Mountain to see you 😁

[brave karma]

wait box is up on Liam. Heck is not updating liam for some reason. maybe just slow

guh. gets out elevation map

d'oh. am in valley.

still upland from the CT river valley proper. Still 478 ft abv sea lvl

ah. entering the correct passkey could help. Upkink is not quite it, but is certainly a fascinating slip.

[brave karma]

i must ascend.

[brave karma]

And lo, I journeyed over the vast deserts of Connecticut, past the Yankees of the swamp, up hill and over raging rivers. Now, I ascend, the final push of my pilgrimage. For I have come to see and be seen by him: The Great and Wise Node of Box Hill.

[tardy steeple]

I’m about to throw my phone

lol

[strong gust]

MAL2 is one of mine. In Waterbury

[brave karma]

OOPs, my bad. Accidentally impersonated you. I

l'll have to change the name!

[strong gust]

Oh I thought you meant you saw my node lol

I was like wow thats a big distance

[brave karma]

Nope. I'm just a liar and a thief who doesn't partake of hot dog buns.

[strong gust]

MAL1 and MAL2 are both in da dirty 'water for now. MAL2 is going to hopefully get moved to a hilltop in Prospect soon. I am testing running it only on solar...

the testing is not going well

[tardy steeple]

I’ve been over that way . I helped build someone house over that way many years ago

[visual mist]

Dude charge your phone!! Giving me anxiety over here 🤣

[tardy steeple]

I want it too die . I don’t want to respond to anyone anymore . We made a big mistake

[hidden timber]

BOX was only down for an hour or two that day

[brave karma]

Dude. This. It's heckin cool. Look at 'em all!!!

I can seeeee!

[void cape]

Ooof

[void cape]

It’ll be something else when you have like over 250 nodes…

[tardy steeple]

App lagged so bad lol

@brave karma

[void cape]

So this must have a story to it

People shipping hilarious stuff yet?

[hidden timber]

👀

[toxic shard]

Filter by "online", having seen a lot of nodes is nice, but not useful. The number online you can see is where the fun is.

BTW, if anyone knows MTY, they should fix their position settings

(that's not their exact location, they have a wide precision ambiguity on which Meshsense doesn't show. But with such a wide circle, why send your position that much?)

aka Malaclypse the Younger

@brave karma your node is doing the same thing.

It's not a huge deal, but you're putting out traffic that you may not be aware of and which isn't useful to you or anyone else at this frequency. I suspect it's a combination of wide precision circle and "Smart Position", but it could also be just a fast update frequency setting

You and MTY seem to flip flop the same rounded positions.

[void cape]

Yeah my online number is zero since I haven’t connected to the radio today.. lol

[toxic shard]

online, non-mqtt on CARD right now is 111 in Plainville

[void cape]

Looks like I’m seeing about 42 live right now

I usually see other nodes by virtue of driving around the state since I can’t really hear a whole lot up in mass from here

[hidden timber]

good point, i always forget those toggles exist

they're buggy on ios though... i'll toggle it on, exit the app for a bit, come back and it'll still be on but not actually filtering the list. have to then open filters, toggle off, then back on to re-filter.

but yeah BOX is seeing traffic from MTY every minute. Heck seems to have stopped at 9:03am

[brave karma]

Oh crap. It me. Both me. Thank you. I had no idea, I'll check it out .

I'm so sorry

Doh

Position broadcast was 900 seconds, gps was 120 seconds. Those were the default settings. For Heck and MTK Changed those to 1200 seconds. Turned off smart position.

[hidden timber]

seems good now 👌

[brave karma]

Ok sweet. See. This is why I came to here.

Ty!

[tardy steeple]

Protocol Marmalade is in effect. The geese have been briefed. Refrain from blinking near reflective surfaces especially if they hum back. Trust the orange, not the peel.

[toxic shard]

I think the defaults are ok but something, I suspect smart position, was causing it to update frequently. It's possible you were near the cusp where your true location would get rounded to two different obscured precision locations, and as your GPS location wobbled slightly it made the smart precision think you'd moved like miles, thus it sent again.

[hidden timber]

That's what i was thinking too

[brave karma]

@tardy steeple , how did you see all the way from gilford to box mountain in one hop. Is that cuz wifi?

[tardy steeple]

I honestly have no idea. I was going to sit down and investigate that later.

[brave karma]

Whoa

The mysteries of the sacred node are boundless

Well when you figure it out I'd love to know!

Or even to great acres in one hop i meant

Gilford to Torrington

[hidden timber]

got BOX on mqtt last weekend, but only with the purpose of map reporting. no mesh bridging.

[brave karma]

Airtight and ghost is on mqtt. K

So wifi is involved.

[hidden timber]

may be, somewhere down the line. just not BOX haha

[brave karma]

Ok so. What is the difference between bridging and uh, hoping? Does it just mean you stick a node in a "dead" zone so to hop the signal over from one cluster of nodes to another?

So there is no difference? It's just that you are using it for that specific purpose?

[tardy steeple]

Possibly Meshtastic over LAN (UDP)

[hidden timber]

Typical hops are only on the mesh. MQTT-connected nodes can be configured to bridge mesh traffic over the internet, “bridging” the gaps. This is not off-grid, and many argue defeats the purpose of Meshtastic.

UDP would only apply to two or more nodes on the same LAN (not WAN), thus doesn’t require or typically use internet. Still off-grid.

You could have a local MQTT server that doesn’t use the internet, effectively the same as UDP, but it’s more common that it does, thus not typically fully off-grid and signified by MQTT on a node in the app in trace routes etc.

[brave karma]

Ooooooooh

Ok. Got it. Awesome. Ty! Hmm.

[next cloak]

Rak does a good job, don't they? I was impressed when I opened mine up. Not that there is much in there but there's room to grow.

[tardy steeple]

I already swapped the internals

[next cloak]

Whoa! Cool!

May I ask why?

[tardy steeple]

Price wise it just made more sense for me that I got a antenna , battery and board

So just about for $25 more I got $58.91 in products

[tardy steeple]

I would highly recommend buying either roktape or an Waterproof Self-Fusing Silicone Rubber tape

[hidden timber]

neat

[tardy steeple]

Not liking the antenna, probably gonna try to tune it up

[hidden timber]

here's one i built, dunno if i sent a photo before :)

that's SSRG

built another one, tryina figure out where to deploy it. ideally hartford somewhere

the lil lipo battery it comes with is more than enough to run it btw, working very well with that panel & even a full week of clouds a while back, was alright

[tardy steeple]

Found a large box of 21700 batteries from my old vape shop.

Forgot I ordered them because they were the incorrect ones and definitely can’t be used in a e-cig device

[brave karma]

So lonely!

[tardy steeple]

Lonely you say 😂

[brave karma]

Aww.

Look, suffering is relative.

You had buddies earlier today! What happened?

[tardy steeple]

That’s MeshCore . According to the map I’m still the only one in CT lol

[void cape]

what's the benefits to meshcore?

according to the map there are two nodes across town from one another

[next cloak]

I feel your pain lol

[tardy steeple]

Both mine as far as I know . Unless someone else signed up.

[tardy steeple]

TL;DR:
• Meshtastic = “ready-to-use” LoRa mesh comms tool.
• MeshCore = “build-it-yourself” mesh networking framework.

Think of it like this:
Meshtastic = iPhone (ready to use)
MeshCore = Raspberry Pi with wires (you build it your way)

[void cape]

Mmm

[keen cove]

what's the deal with open vs closed source on meshcore? i see a github but people keep saying it's closed

[tardy steeple]

I thought it was open source I have no idea.

[visual mist]

Meshcore mobile apps are closed source but the underlying architecture is open source, if the Google AI Overview is to be believed

[tardy steeple]

I don’t use AI for anything last time I did it told me water won’t freeze

[fierce moss]

wait

but my meshtastic is ALSO a raspberry pi with wires

lol

[toxic shard]

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/s/EtsckUP9XH

[visual mist]

OK THAT looks cool...from the description though it looks like it can only interface with LongFast, no support for custom channels yet

[toxic shard]

No idea. It's an evolving project. Hopefully they get the full updated source code up on Github so people can help improve it.

[visual mist]

Indeed

[hidden timber]

it's pretty cool, i helped him test it out. needs a lot of work but has a ton of potential

[toxic shard]

Yeah, lots of potential. Finally got it working.

[fierce moss]

ooooh

finally, a good client? lol

[toxic shard]

It's not exactly a client in the common sense. It's more like that MeshInfo thing you run, but with a few different things. Worth playing with if you've got a network node. (Which I know Gary does, I mean in general)

[fierce moss]

well, what ive always said was needed for a base station was a PROPER local client that outputs to "chat rooms" and keeps a long local DB with chat history, location tracking, etc

and that can be accessed by any node on the network

so your phone or a wall tablet or a pc

etc

[radiant sequoia]

Josh this is what I was running for the past week.... a few little things are quirky but a nice tool... the dev is really responsive... just updated from .1 to .4... seems smooth...

yes, IP only support right now...

[toxic shard]

Nice.

I've been digging it. I'll probably set it up on UBBS for a bit. I'm running it on my mac right now in docker pointed at UBBS, but I'll probably move it there natively so it can persist.

[visual mist]

What's the dev's preferred deployment method on order to receive updates? Docker or bare Linux with Python? You can pass through storage to a docker container easy enough to ensure persistence of config data and the DB.

Personally I prefer LXCs over Docker because it's one less layer of permissions to have to debug, plus I can easily bump storage if needed without having to resize partitions in the guest OS. But Docker definitely has its place.

[tardy steeple]

I’m over here running windows xp 🤣

[toxic shard]

you don't need to use docker but i'm not sure about LXC. It's mostly just an install.sh script and a python process. Have a look at their website https://mesh-dash.rusjp.co.uk/

[tardy steeple]

That looks like a really good and interesting project

[void cape]

lxc is totally overkill for that I think

[toxic shard]

RP-SMAAAAAAAA!!!! Grrrrr

[toxic shard]

Look at this hot pi case I got with sma holes already in it

https://www.adafruit.com/product/5057

[radiant sequoia]

Iused a rasp 5 with ubuntu... then just ran the command line install.... I've had .1 installed for a week or so and ran the same installer per the developer to throw on .4....

very smooth...

[tardy steeple]

My node went back to 69

[tardy steeple]

What’s inside ?

[toxic shard]

A pi

And a meshadv hat

[tardy steeple]

T114 25$

Tariff 36$

Wild

[void cape]

Yeah it’s brutal in the model train industry

[tardy steeple]

Not sure how it’s going to go however I have family in Canada and I’m gonna see about sending stuff there and then brining it over after .

[fierce moss]

My guess is it gets resolved in the next 30-60 days

[void cape]

I’m expecting it will take a bit longer than that, unfortunately

[toxic shard]

Doing an impromptu test with Jeff of a few nodes on MEDIUM_FAST and frequency slot 40. Not a big coordinated test, and honestly we're not well positioned to hear eachother yet, but since we both have excess nodes, why not try.

Not expecting much without the routers, but experimenting is good. Seeing nothing on the mesh reminds me of 2022

[hidden timber]

would be happy to switch MHC1 to that temporarily if you want to test across the river

(not sure where Jeff is)

((also not sure we'd communicate without box also switched))

[toxic shard]

Jeff is in Berlin

I don't think either of us will see MHC1

My node in Windsor, 96f8, can be reconfigured remotely. But I don't think anyone can see it directly

[hidden timber]

i mean i can safely change BOX over the internet, but it'd take out this half of the mesh so we may want to coordinate it haha

SSRG is less critical but not as safe, since i only have remote admin, not internet

but i'm at least in EH today if something goes wrong

[toxic shard]

No need to take down box for this test, let's do that one more coordinated.

[tardy steeple]

Where abouts I’ll be in Wallingford for he the next two days b

[toxic shard]

I've seen some nodes down that way

[tardy steeple]

Currently assembling one in my hotel room . Housekeeping needs to mind there business . I had a DND sign on the door and manager went into my room to “ assess “ an electrical box that contained Meshtastic node radio parts, and other parts

They also opened my night stand draw and found two Glock mags .

That’s another huge no.

[final loom]

BRUH

thats not cool

should not be going into rooms that have dnd on em

[tardy steeple]

I’ve been working in and out of hotels for the last 15 years you never go in a guestroom and touch any drawers that are closed inside the room under any circumstances if the guest is still checked in

[final loom]

and definetly should not be going through drawers like that

ya

[tardy steeple]

Even if a DND sign both staff and management can enter the room at any given time

[final loom]

well ya but generally they have a reason right? aint just goin in randomly.

[tardy steeple]

Most hotels are management say they had to do a safety check of the room and that walk-in and shine flashlight up at the smoke detector or say maintenance issue

[final loom]

gotcha

[toxic shard]

Weird thing with at least one of my G2's, I seem to need to forget it from my mac's bluetooth every time I want to connect. Curious

[toxic shard]

Got a welcome message from PVEC when I fired up a new node for the first time

Interesting touch

[tardy steeple]

Nice

[toxic shard]

(That's the R2D2 bot, btw)

[hidden timber]

just got the CT Mesh Bot working. it'll send weather daily & a daily roll-call in ConnNet at 6am every day. also responds to "weather" command in DM

[toxic shard]

i got the message from it @hidden timber , the iOS client treated the part in the brackets as an address for some reason

it was a link that when clicked open maps

[hidden timber]

same here

it also responds to 'test' in both channels & dm's

[toxic shard]

Does it respond on the channel, or via DM? It shouldn't respond automatically on the channel to messages

[hidden timber]

also made a channel for noisy testing: CTMeshDebug / AQ== -- it lives there as well

[hidden timber]

only on the Debug channel

[toxic shard]

I say that because a) it gets noisy, and b) it's more likely to get caught in a loop with someone else's bot

Cool

What's it written in?

[hidden timber]

TS/JS

[tardy steeple]

Too much channel utilization IMO

Meshtastic nodes generate excessive traffic due to flood routing, often transmitting unnecessary data like battery levels from nodes I can’t even communicate with.

[toxic shard]

gotta leave room for gibberish spy talk

[tardy steeple]

Voltage shadows ripple through the net nodes chattering in delta bursts, alpha-9 patterns looping back on silent ghosts. Battery whispers tagged ZULU-5. No handshake. No signal. Just echoes of ops never greenlit. Clear the channel before the carrier wave folds inward. Tango nodes might still be listening.

[hidden timber]

also, the bot is running on box mtn, if that wasn't already mentioned here

[tardy steeple]

Box

Received 2/2 it’s weird

[tardy steeple]

Looks like I’m not the only one that didn’t receive both transmissions

I wonder if a store and forward configuration for this type of thing would help or not.

[hidden timber]

i dont believe that works on longfast

[tardy steeple]

I believe my rak can do store and forward I’ll have to double check the documentation .

https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/module/store-and-forward-module/

Only ESP32 based devices with onboard PSRAM like the T-Beam and T3S3 can be a Store & Forward Server.

Rak base 5005

RAK11200 - ESP32 core ( not Lora )

RAK13300 Bluetooth / Lora

[tardy steeple]

lol

[toxic shard]

oh you're the weird | node?

[tardy steeple]

Why it gotta be like that ?

[toxic shard]

?

[tardy steeple]

You said weird haha

[toxic shard]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tardy steeple]

I’m not having any luck with mail

I got a used burnt rak board and now this and not an energy drink

Looks like someone fried the board and retuned it as “ new “

[strong gust]

My node is the "hello From Prospect". I was testing from the Aria parking lot trying to reach my friends node

[steady solar]

Getting several messages all the way from Manhattan this evening

Anyone else getting that as well?

[strong gust]

Would be nice to get something up on that hill in Prospect to link Waterbury to the rest of the mesh BOX is in

[steady solar]

That Harlem relay guy hasn't updated his node in at least a year lol

Says 2 hops away somehow

[hidden timber]

I still have a fully built solar node to place 👀

[void cape]

Huh. I took my node to NY traveling towards New Jersey and I might have bridged it enough with the G2

[little needle]

I'm surprised the mesh reaches that far. The person who runs that node sent a single message a few months ago, and never said anything after that: #1202833898376138752 message

[tardy steeple]

Got another 5005

[severe ledge]

@little needle thanks for the tip!

Also hello from Stamford

[brave karma]

What should one say when they find themselves in NJ?

[tardy steeple]

ask them taylor ham or pork roll...

[tardy steeple]

My node has gone rogue and is in Lake Michigan …

[brave karma]

Taylor ham is definitely north jersey

Lol

[tardy steeple]

No idea why my node moved to Michigan

[little needle]

Did you enable Fixed Position (https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/position/#fixed-position)?

[tardy steeple]

Haven’t touched it in over 2 weeks

[hidden timber]

Happy Sunday everyone Hello from JetBlue flt194

[toxic shard]

@hidden timber are you seeing who ScrewAttack is talking to?

[hidden timber]

i think MAGAtastic !433a6e60

i see a lot of one-sided conversations from Screw

[toxic shard]

We hear 50% and he's 50% right 50% of the time

[toxic shard]

Australian mode?

🙃

[tardy steeple]

I gotta check if my node is still in the middle of Lake Michigan

[toxic shard]

I want to believe it was hit by a cosmic ray that bit flipped the location

[tardy steeple]

I tried to explain to my roommate how to set it to where it should be .

[toxic shard]

I like how Meshsense lets you set the position from the map. Very handy.

My dog is growling and barking for no apparent reason.

[tardy steeple]

He used that earlier and set it . Sent me the screen cap and it’s in Michigan still

[hidden timber]

except for altitude, right?

[toxic shard]

I guess, but that's terribly important to me

Unless I'm flying. Then it's very important.

I'm most likely to set position with the CLI since Meshsense doesn't work well for me at home on mac with bluetooth, and my windows Meshsense is connnected via IP to FIRM

On nodes where I set it at all, which is a minority of them.

[tardy steeple]

Don’t JetBlue us when flying plz 😆

According to the log the correct GPS was set and then it reverted back to Michigan

[hidden timber]

problem is the person he's talking to has a hop limit of 3, lol

and BOX is 3/3

so most of his messages aren't making it to me even

[tardy steeple]

It’s recommended not to go above 3

[hidden timber]

i dont see how a mesh our size would function at 3

for this very reason lol

[toxic shard]

I'm not sure if what your node is set to matters for how far it gets repeated. If your node is limit 3, and a packet comes in at 4/7, I'm pretty sure your node goes "plus one, off you go to the next person"

I think much of our mesh would be ok at 3, but it would cause some leaf nodes to not be able to reach eachother

[toxic shard]

remember, a hop does not include the ends.

A hop is a RE-broadcast, so the first transmission out of the source and the last receiption at the destination aren't hops.

[hidden timber]

hmm

interesting

[toxic shard]

And then there's repeaters who don't even decode and touch hops. It's kind of a mess out there. Perhaps if they really rework stuff for 3.0 it'll take a different approach. Dunno.

[hidden timber]

so unless i'm understanding incorrectly, if Screw's hop count was also 3, we wouldn't receive him either (he's 5 hops from BOX)

[toxic shard]

There is NO way he's 5 from box

He's got to be like one or two from box. He's near BDL

[hidden timber]

box ^

[toxic shard]

Show a bunch, any one message can be more

If he's 5 typically that's WILD

Does BOX have a route path for him? The lightning bolt tool tip?

[hidden timber]

it varies, but if his max was 3, we'd only get the messages that are <=3/7 there, no?

[toxic shard]

Yeah, that's more like it

[hidden timber]

but says 5 there? lol

confusing

[fervent sky]

not taking the same route both ways?

[toxic shard]

Yeah, the 5 is the hop count on the last nideinfo received from him. The trace is the last trace. Not technically related

My guess is the higher number of hops messages were times when box was transmitting and couldn't hear him, then it heard other nodes rebroadcasting him

Just a guess

[tardy steeple]

Think it’s fixed

[void cape]

You would never hear my node probably. It’s two hops minimum for me to even get to Bristol, best case

[toxic shard]

Yup, hope we can improve that over time, just so you get more reliable messaging

I was just able to message from one of my nodes in Windsor to one of my nodes in Plainville, but couldn't reply back 😭

[void cape]

The issue is that I have to talk to dd_r_r1 and that goes to GAF1 which goes to GAF2.. I can’t hear GAF1 direct most of the time

[toxic shard]

Meshtastic is wonderful until you actually want to communicate over a couple of hops.

[void cape]

Yeah

This is what bouncing around in a valley does for me

[toxic shard]

Two words: Tethered Drone 🏆

instant 500ft tower

[void cape]

I’ve done that and it works for a short time

400 ft max

I’m extremely tempted to buy a 100’ crank tower from HRO but I know better than that.

[hidden timber]

24/7 tethered drone

[toxic shard]

yolo

[calm dawn]

As much as I'd love to see that, I think a node at the top of 222 would serve us better. 😉

[void cape]

There are some ham’s on Wildcat; it would help

[tardy steeple]

Hopefully this works out

I have someone that lives right over the border from Canada in fort drum NY . We set up a mailbox with Canada post he will be going there on a weekly basic and driving stuff back .

In so many areas on the border you can literally just walk across

[toxic shard]

Don't end up in El Salvador for smuggling nodes

[tardy steeple]

https://worldmap.arednmesh.org/#5.09/35.73/-59.11

[visual mist]

Make sure he's got a solid excuse for going across the border...like he needs to get his Tim Horton's fix or something...because visits on any sort of a schedule will draw attention eventually

[tardy steeple]

Where he is, he can just walk across. There’s no fences there’s nothing there’s literally a highway that separates the two countries.

Lucky I checked twice

[visual mist]

What is that beautiful thing?

[tardy steeple]

A battery with the wrong polarity lol

[hidden timber]

i've had to re-pin every battery i've bought

[visual mist]

No I mean the green thing

[tardy steeple]

Rugged AirPod holder

[visual mist]

Ah...thought it was some new RAK enclosure or something 🤣

[tardy steeple]

Surprise 🤣

[tardy steeple]

Ya I just got 2x10,000 mah batteries and they were sold as reverse polarity but were not

[hidden timber]

it's fun to repin them til you accidentally stab a small flathead screwdriver thru ur finger

[toxic shard]

Since there's no standard, either way can be sold as reverse 🙂

Some sellers call "reverse" one way, some don't refer to that way as anything other than normal.

[tardy steeple]

Do you know if there’s a video on YouTube or anything of people pending batteries? Somebody asked me how they could do it and I tried to explain it to them and they’re like oh I gotta find one on YouTube.

[hidden timber]

not sure if there's a video. it's simple enough, just have to pull up the plastic tabs very carefully as to not break them, pull the wire out. takes some patience and extreme care lol

[tardy steeple]

On both the ones I have the red wire is the negative

[hidden timber]

those are the exact tabs i speak of, just have to be bent up a mm or two for the metal part to clear it and the wire comes right out

[toxic shard]

The red is negative, or the red is on the "negative side"?

[tardy steeple]

Reds on the negative side

Although it could be correct, I would have to get my tester out

[hidden timber]

that's the best way to protect yourself, for sure lol

don't trust that the wires are what they are colored either

i've yet to see that, and if that's the case i probably wouldn't trust the battery at all

lmao

[tardy steeple]

Had that happened before.. not fun

[hidden timber]

oof.

[toxic shard]

Agreed, test the voltage on the contacts to be sure. JST 2-pin connectors have no standard for polarity. Purchase according to your need or repin.

[tardy steeple]

I just went by the description in the picture that shows the red wire on the positive side.

I really don’t like buying from Amazon at all, but I guess at the end of the day it is what it is . Wife buys an un godly amount of sh1t from them.

[toxic shard]

Yup. There's no standard, if you're lucky the photo or description on any given product will reflect how it's actually manufactured. But as you know, it doesn't mean the connector is pinned to work with any given receiving socket. It's a mess out there.

Adafruit and RAK do it the same way, so that's my preference and I try to find that setup when I can.

[tardy steeple]

Speaking of Rak my solar setup I taped off the panel and it’s run for a few days

[toxic shard]

Look at this abomination

From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgWmF5CXULU

[tardy steeple]

Why?

Doh!

[toxic shard]

Seems my comment pointing it out has mysteriously vanished 🙄

[toxic shard]

That's a new comment from me, not the one I was referring to

Someone replied to me after that which I was reminded why it's usually not worth commenting

[void cape]

YouTube’s app sometimes eats your comment instead of posting it. Their UI is not the best.

[final loom]

Oh my new heltec MeshPocket is shipping soon 😮

Probably going to take a month to get to me cuz it's coming from China and we'll have to see about tariffs as well but hey lol

[tardy steeple]

What color ?

[final loom]

Yellow was the only color left so I got that.

[tardy steeple]

Same lol

I forgot if I got the 5000 or 10000 mah tho

[final loom]

Lol. We'll see how it is. It's decent it's probably going to end up replacing my T1000E that I carry with me

I got the 10,000. I want BIG battery

Kind of wish they made it in 15 or 20,000 but that would probably be a bit too big for your pocket

[tardy steeple]

To be honest with you, I don’t think I would want that size battery in my pocket.

I highly doubt a battery with a low battery pull would vent, but I’ve seen plenty of e-cigarette vent and it’s not fun

[final loom]

When I used to play the heck out of pokémon GO with two phones I had a 28,000 mAh battery in my pocket connected to both phones.

I remember a couple of times I traveled whether to New York City for a day or to a convention for a weekend and I had those phones going the entire day I was out and The only time I ran that battery dry was when I went to New York City for a day and it was completely emptied about halfway home on the train ride and the two phones were still at 100% battery haha

Luckily I never experienced a battery failure even though I probably pushed that battery well beyond it's capabilities

[toxic shard]

Where did you get a yellow one?

[tardy steeple]

I got mine direct

https://heltec.org/project/meshpocket/

[toxic shard]

Oh JFC I thought you were talking about the WisMesh Pocket, my bad.

Why do people have such confusing branding

[tardy steeple]

Kinda like rack Wireless naming their products repeaters 😂

[toxic shard]

Like, call it "MagMesh" or something

[tardy steeple]

I have that conversation numerous times a day that it’s not really a repeater. It doesn’t work like Wi-Fi.

[toxic shard]

Yeah, "Repeater" in a product name for a meshtastic node is bad form.

But also youtubers and others use the term, so I understand trying to get in on the SEO.

[tardy steeple]

I’m waiting for the WisMesh Cat

I think they changed name to WisMesh Pod

[toxic shard]

NodeMesh Repeater Pocket Relay

I'm waiting for like a Baofeng hybrid. Meshfeng

[tardy steeple]

Didn’t spec five throw a node on a radio?

[radiant sequoia]

does it connect to the back with the magsafe but not allow charging to not drain the heltec batt?

I mean I get the point, but seems like it's all or nothing....

[visual mist]

Baotastic 🤣

[fierce moss]

seruously. no reason we cant cram one into a beofeng.... lol

[toxic shard]

i've had a web client going for 4 days. It never used to be able to manage that over BLE.

[visual mist]

Buddy gave me an ESP32 node with a small 1300mAh cell and a 3D printed case as my first "home" node, first thing I did was get it on the wifi, gonna set up MeshDash when I have a bit of free time later in the week

Learned the hard way that once you turn wifi on the BLE goes poof...makes sense that it can't handle BLE and wifi at the same time, just caught me by surprise 🤣

[tardy steeple]

Tons of fars with that

@final loom

This Etsy shop was the 1st I saw to do a MagSafe / phone set up

[tardy steeple]

My node and the node I gave my neighbor keep swapping ?

[toxic shard]

Weird app behavior

[tardy steeple]

SMFH

[visual mist]

...wonder if Muzi had a copyright on that case...

[tardy steeple]

That’s for his other cases. I don’t believe @narrow cove ever released the r1

[hidden timber]

BOX device role changed from ROUTER to CLIENT. The G2 is still seemingly sleeping for 20-30 minutes at a time, all mesh activity seems to just completely die as seen in this screenshot (only its own metrics reported over WiFi for 20 mins on a busy mesh.) similar situation here. haven't found any other solution. curious if @sudden locust has any advice?

    "waitBluetoothSecs": 60,
    "sdsSecs": 4294967295,
    "lsSecs": 300,
    "minWakeSecs": 4294967295,
    "isPowerSaving": false,
    "onBatteryShutdownAfterSecs": 0,
    "adcMultiplierOverride": 0.0,
    "deviceBatteryInaAddress": 0,
    "powermonEnables": "0"
  },```

it's been caught multiple times saying "Device is sleeping" on either the screen or bt-attached android device when we've pulled the node down

[hidden timber]

interesting. you'd think in router mode it'd be most important to not entirely shut off the radio. have confirmed the radio silence both via meshsense with BOX itself, but also nodes in range of BOX completely dropping out for 20-30 mins at a time when box sleeps. it wakes as soon as i run a traceroute or send a message via meshsense

[sudden locust]

I haven't encountered this problem in the client role ...yet, but I know that nodedb has had compatibility issues before, perhaps some settings of the router role are still not cleared in nodedb.

[hidden timber]

just to clarify, i had just changed it to Client mode to see if that keeps it from sleeping. so far good. the above problems were only observed with it in Router mode

ideally we keep it as router, since it's in a prime position in eastern CT. no idea why it completely drops out like that tho

[little needle]

I'd recommend that you verify that the node is the most ideally placed spot in the region before setting it to ROUTER, as explained here: https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/tips/#avoid-routerand-repeater

[hidden timber]

yeah, i'm curious to see how Client performs. it does fit the bill for Router, imo. it's on a 800ft mountaintop with a pretty clear line of sight.

(it has also been set this way for a couple of months now)

[tardy steeple]

The average user thinks WiFi when using mesh . Router/repeater

Builders and manufacturers don’t help either .

[toxic shard]

Have we tried a different g2 to verify it’s not specific to this piece of hardware?

[tardy steeple]

@hidden timber I would just run it in Repeator

Router even specifies “ Another default behavior of Routers is that the device tries to save as much power as possible by attempting to sleep as well as send telemetry packets less frequently than other devices on the mesh. This is because they are chiefly tasked with routing others' traffic rather than originating their own messages. “

https://meshtastic.org/blog/choosing-the-right-device-role/

[hidden timber]

i suppose i could swap it with MHC1

[hidden timber]

our concern with that is it removes it from the list of nodes

[little needle]

Never use REPEATER, because when people are troubleshooting using traceroutes, they're hidden.

[hidden timber]

that's my concern, along with PVRA allowing us use of the site–it's very much intentionally broadcasted with that name to credit them

[toxic shard]

Never say never 🙂

[fierce moss]

All, Just so people are aware, I’ve been dealing with some family emergency stuff recently. I have not lost interest. I will be back soonish. And i try to pop in and out

Just so people don’t think I’ve run away lol

[hidden timber]

hope all is okay

[tardy steeple]

Where in CT are your nodes ?

[little needle]

Not in CT, but in the same metro area as the southwest corner of CT.

[tardy steeple]

True

ROUTER_CLIENT is an option

See the problem is the manufacturers call it a repeater and then you have YouTube videos that also call a repeater now if you look at both the YouTube video captures that I just posted the comments you see are literally people just telling the community not to use repeater or router

[toxic shard]

ROUTER_CLIENT is deprecated and that config is the same as CLIENT in firmware since then.

[tardy steeple]

True, I mean I use it on a few of my devices and I’ve noticed that it works better than client but that’s just my own opinion

[toxic shard]

It cannot work better on any firmware since it was deprecated. It means literally the same thing.

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/releases/tag/v2.3.15.deb7c27

Tangent, crazy to think 2.3.15 was less than a year ago.

[tardy steeple]

True . My data testing was with several 5005 boards and 2.3.14.64531fa

I believe a Heltec v2 might have been used as well .

Completely overlooked that eliminated roll

[tardy steeple]

For the size of be device it’s only a 1200mah battery
Rp-sma male that’s soldered

[hidden timber]

Update: BOX client role didn’t help.

[toxic shard]

Makes me wish I was heading to Ohio (almost) https://www.instagram.com/p/DJXoofcuhLB/?igsh=aDgxeTFrdzl0aThq

[toxic shard]

Dang. Next I’d try a different g2, and I’d try a filter. I’ve got filters you can try, but I haven’t tested them. Would AliExpress lie? 😉

[hidden timber]

It’s funny, I just said the same thing to Mark

He’s still waiting on one to arrive

[toxic shard]

You could also try going back to firmware 2.5.20 and see if it still misbehaves.

[tardy steeple]

I was literally just I typing that haha

[toxic shard]

Get out of my teeth

(My wife and I say that when we say the same thing, not really sure where we got that)

[tardy steeple]

I was on the flasher looking for the 2.5 variant

[hidden timber]

I feel like it always has had this problem, even early on when I thought it was my electric meters it could have been box going dark

Without box the entire mesh is dead at home

[tardy steeple]

If that’s the case I’d definitely recommend a filter

[toxic shard]

Try a new g2, then try a pi meshadv node. Then try a RAK

I’d almost be willing to come to the wrong side of the River to give you a filter

Almost

[tardy steeple]

Electric meters
Street lights
Some older microphones are in the 900mhz area

[toxic shard]

Problem is most AliExpress filters have no specs and you’d really want it tight around the Meshtastic frequency

In theory you can adjust them. If you’re a nerd. 🤓

[tardy steeple]

https://www.brokencircuitranch.com/shop/p/bandguard-meshtastic-notch-filter

[hidden timber]

What’s weird tho is that it seems to come back as soon as I “wake” it up by doing a traceroute or sending a message for example

[tardy steeple]

Get a femtofox

#1329096340700921898

[void cape]

That's not going to help, the electric meters use the same ISM band meshtastic uses.

Most electric meters send a little message once in a while, some every minute and others a bit less frequently than that.

https://github.com/bemasher/rtlamr

[hidden timber]

for better context, the idea of meter interference was more on my end, not box. i originally had my home node in a closet filled with 11 of them, and they each broadcast every second lol.

the need for a filter is on box's end, with all of the other RF up there. it's a hub for new england.

without box functioning properly, most of vernon is completely off-mesh, including me at home. so it's easy to misconstrue issues with box for issues at home, given they both go out at the same time. having internet up there now has helped troubleshoot (previously had no idea box was even going out)

[toxic shard]

the fact that it seems there are factors at your home and at box make this process definitely hard mode

But we gotta figure it out. Box is too good of a spot to not be working fabulously

[tardy steeple]

I have a G2 on the way that’s been WiFi modded . If it would help I can reship to yall at cost @hidden timber

[hidden timber]

for sure. when moving it to the garage also didn't help, knew something was up. internat @ box confirmed it.

[tardy steeple]

Prob gonna sell everything off and pull my site . With these tariffs I don’t see any point .

[void cape]

The tariffs are pretty brutal on the model train industry right now. Overall, this is going to kill a bunch of small businesses…

Not to be political… I think the tariffs are a good idea for particular industries that are being outsourced that we need as a foundation for domestic industrial production - things like manufacturing of steel and other industries that have been moving overseas as they are not profitable here.. but many end products are too niche to have tariffs on them because it kills the industry because the demand vaporizes if it’s not affordable.

The one thing that I can think of that makes me truly annoyed is that there are no US-made products of certain types that are not exactly niche. Networking hardware such as routers and network switches and wireless access points - the backbone to a secure network - it’s very hard to buy domestic hardware for these as well.

These were targeted more specifically by the previous administration with the chips act and other key legislation, and lowering cost barriers instead of pricing out an industry.

[little needle]

Speaking of wireless access points, https://www.reddit.com/r/Ubiquiti/comments/1kcmobj/why_does_the_us_ubiquiti_store_stock_so_many_u7/.

[void cape]

Particularly for items around national security, it makes sense to require domestic hardware; for basically any stuff made as part of a hobby I wish it was a choice that the purchaser can decide.

In the model train industry right now they are trying to pivot production to Vietnam and other countries that have cheap labor compared to China and they hope it will work out. Some hobby train manufacturers do have domestic production but the costs are still lower to make overseas (even with 145% tariffs) and the kicker is that no matter where they make it, it’s going to price their customers out of the product.

[toxic shard]

I'm remembering a guy who had a node in Plainville and was building one to put at his place near Mount Tom Pond. Anyone remember that? Or any of the folks up that way seen it recently?

@steady solar you saw it once over the winter you said, anything recent?

@vital pond was that your node I'm thinking of?

Asking because the mesh has grown so much since I first DMed with that guy, I thought he'd like to see the progress if he's been offline

[tardy steeple]

Not seeing the waterproof rating

[toxic shard]

What's that?

[tardy steeple]

https://ghostfaceinnovations.com/products/sensecap-solar-node-p1

I just sent seeed a message and an email about the waterproof rating

[toxic shard]

Yeah, weird to not list it at all

[tardy steeple]

IP Rating – Not specified
Certifications – FCC, CE

IP67 I would assume .

It’s 1245am over where they are so I have to wait patiently for a response

[fierce moss]

Yea, it will be. just taking lots of time

[steady solar]

Have not seen it recently, but I also still need to replace my 10dbi antenna because I'm missing local traffic by shooting way too flat

So it may be on and I'm just missing it

[tardy steeple]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DJZmd-mthxf/?igsh=MThxdTgxcGk0bTc1aA==

Absolute madness

[void cape]

Yup

[steady solar]

Was about to buy a pi zero 2w from them, had it open in a tab for $15. Opened the tab, refreshed, $16.50 now 😢

Not a huge hike just still annoying, getting taxed even more at every turn, and some items/hobbies being entirely unavailable now

[tardy steeple]

Ya basicly that’s why I’m pulling out and closing up.

[brave karma]

It's so stupid. I need a new computer so bad but now that's never gonna happen. I just can't catch up with this shit. Insanity.

https://youtu.be/1W_mSOS1Qts?si=7CT0RWuDtauETNNo

This is a really good report on all the moving parts and the effects of tarrifs just in the computer industry alone

[tardy steeple]

Backmarket.com is where I usually get used electronics . Macs last forever

[brave karma]

Good to know.

[tribal lake]

Hi, Wethersfield here, just new this week

[fervent sky]

Welcome

[umbral ether]

Hi hi all just moved up here last week, in Guilford! 🙂 I have my little Tracker going currently. 🙂

[keen cove]

Woot tariff rollback. Hopefully we still have vendors

[void cape]

🤞

[void cape]

This is going to make a huge difference for the model railroad hobby in the short to medium term; I'm not going to have to pay like $1,200 for the $375/per locomotives (of which I bought two) next month now. It'll be more like $800 after shipping.

https://broadway-limited.com/products/9170-prr-b6sb-0-6-0-134-post-war-appearance-60s66a-tender-paragon4-sound-dc-dcc-ho

[steady solar]

Big coverage in Portsmouth NH

[toxic shard]

New https://client.meshtastic.org is pretty nice

[toxic shard]

Wallingford to Plainville and back.

15 miles

[toxic shard]

Interestingly, when I got home and checked the web client connected to that G2, it showed the half-trace

Also interesting is that the web client is showing the same "who sent the trace" bug as Meshsense does, and they still haven't deployed the fix for properly scaling trace SNR dB readings (these should all be divided by 4)

[craggy vigil]

Cool - TB-Roof is on my friends house in Cheshire

[toxic shard]

I was at Iron Chef in Wallingford, by Stop & Shop on Rt 5

[craggy vigil]

Great restaurant

[toxic shard]

Wish there was a “who can hear me directly right now” feature. No rebroadcasting, just direct. I imagine there’s some way it could be abused, but it’d be handy for some testing.

[final loom]

on android you can sort nodes by how many hops away they are

[toxic shard]

Yes, but you'd need to hear them first. What I'm suggesting is a way to prompt nodes which can hear you directly to report in, rather than waiting potentially hours to see if you can hear them.

[final loom]

ah gotcha

[fierce moss]

leaving for a week next week as part of the whole family crap going on, but when i get back, i want to update chiponee and TFG

to 2.6x

any big advantages for routers?

also, how has the alternate channel group testing been going?

[toxic shard]

I think the big win is having more stable "filesystem" and not losing settings over time. Most of the other goodies for 2.6 have been for end user devices, unless I'm forgetting something

[toxic shard]

No progress yet on trying different presets. When you're back maybe we should try to coordinate a different preset test with GFR2+turkey on the router side and then some of our individual stuff on the client side, see if the paths still work. Try keeping the number of people who need to coordinate low initially.

[fierce moss]

hopefully DJ has some work on the torrington tower in the next month or so. ill get that one ready

im happy with the batteries over the winter. zero issues

[toxic shard]

Yeah, GFR2 has been rock solid as far as I can tell

[hidden timber]

looks like Lon posted another video on the new Heltec Pocket https://youtu.be/Wfi_Xm-piG8

[toxic shard]

Just a note for anyone lingering, more local discord chitter chatter is happening on the CTMesh.org discord now than here in this topic.

[void cape]

Got a link?

[hidden timber]

it's the first discord link on https://ctmesh.org/

[manic berry]

Anyone in the milford CT area in here ?

[fierce moss]

Not I sir

Goshen

[hidden grove]

This new Heltec MT node/powerbank is kind of cool. I'd much rather have a super-slim node, maybe nrf based with a slim lipo that would last days with no powerbank function. It would easily ride on the back of the phone and can still fit into nicely into my pocket or car holder.

[hidden timber]

Agreed. Cool idea but was surprised myself it was a power bank and not just an attachment. I think I’d have preferred thinner as well

[brave karma]

Hello ct mesh. I died for a while. But I decided to haunt this mortal coil. Also I shouldn't have spent money on a lily t deck, but I did and I'm excited for it to get here. How's it going?

[manic berry]

It’s going.

Have you joined the CT mesh

https://discord.gg/AMcfaD8u

[tawny lynx]

My two heltecs been collecting dust. Hardly use it, bummer. Has anyone ever tired setting up nodes near New Haven?

[chrome crane]

I know it's an old message but did you ever find a good UPS option?

[steady solar]

Jackery Explorer 100 works great for this

[chrome crane]

oof. bit expensive for my case but good to know

[toxic shard]

Yeah I’ve settled on the Jackery 100 for now.

[void cape]

Using one of these. It's nice.

Charges my laptop and cell phone in a pinch too.

[fervent sky]

A miracle must have happened this morning like pigs flying because today is the first day I've ever received both WX messages. Of course one message took the long roundabout way instead of the efficient and reliable way

[toxic shard]

Interesting

[quick ginkgo]

I just found out about this and I'm looking into getting a node or three. I'm in New Britain.

[manic berry]

I normally get 1 myself . Got 2 and then this new thing

[fervent sky]

R2D2 is the Pioneer Valley Meshtastic Network's bot. It also has scheduled messages https://pvmesh.org/

[void cape]

It shouldn’t be necessary to use buoys. There are already people using 2m/70cm simplex and some repeaters also work from Long Island to Connecticut.

[toxic shard]

Welcome! I’m in Plainville. You should have no trouble in New Britain. If you need any help let us know. 🙂

[little needle]

That wasn't my post, I'd recommend posting the answer on Reddit.

[void cape]

Yeah I’m not at a device that’s logged into my Reddit unfortunately

[undone echo]

Hello new here and not sure how to connect or chat via meshtastic?

[little needle]

You need a piece of hardware called a node.

[undone echo]

I have a Heltec V3 and I believe I set it up correctly. How do I make contacts?

[little needle]

Say something like Hello from ___, CT., and wait for a response. There might not be other nodes nearby.

[toxic shard]

Where are you located? Do you see other nodes in your list?

[undone echo]

In South Windsor. I don't see other nodes.

[toxic shard]

South Windsor should be possible.

(this isn't' all the nodes, this is just the nodes with positions who have "Ok to MQTT" turned on)

If you're not seeing anything, I'd recommend getting your node higher up. Ideally a home has a node outside, above the roofline, for best reception. But many people are effective with indoor nodes.

Try creating a "New Panorama" on https://heywhatsthat.com/ and give it your location and a realistic "above ground level" AGL. The red area in the map it generates is what's visible from your spot.

For example, one of our very best nodes is called BOX, and this is approximately what it can see: https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=S4QNRJX2

The antenna that comes with the Heltec V3 is not great. You might find it useful to get a better antenna, maybe an enclosure to hold it all. Here's one good source for antennas, sold by a small business in Rhode Island https://atlavox.com/collections/antennas

Another commonly recommended vendor is rokland.com. Be careful with buying antennas from Amazon. Some people have good luck, other people receive incompatible antennas intended for wifi or ham radio.

You'll find a lot of cases on Etsy

[toxic shard]

If you're in range, there are only a couple of things that can be misconfigured to keep you from seeing other nodes. The first is if you select the wrong region. We're "US" of course. The second is if you enable "Licensed Mode", which is for amateur radio operators and puts you on a different unencrypted mesh that frankly almost nobody is on. The third is if you change your preset away from LONG_FAST. Right now almost everyone is on that preset. Finally, if you change the frequency slot, you can end up on a different frequency and not hear anyone. This can be done inadvertently by changing the Primary channel. The default frequency slot of "zero" tells the node to pick a slot based on the primary channel name. If you change it, you'll get a different slot.

[undone echo]

Thank you. I'm trying those suggestions and going outside.

[toxic shard]

@nimble vale are you on the CT Mesh discord yet?

[nimble vale]

Don’t think so

[simple axle]

I'm just getting started with Mesh, but I'd be interested in joining the CT Mesh discord.

[toxic shard]

Link at ctmesh.org

[simple axle]

Thank you!

[kind jewel]

Hello from the Boston Mesh! For those of you in Eastern CT, I wanted to share that the Boston and NHMesh groups are doing a test of Medium_Fast this weekend, from Friday 5pm until Sunday evening. NHMesh put together a document here with more information. I've seen that some folks in NH are getting traceroutes deep down into CT, so wanted to make sure y'all heard about the test!

[bold crystal]

Are you guys still using Medium_Fast?

[chrome crane]

Nope. Back on Long_Fast.
I kept a G2 on it until today out of curiosity... activity died down on Sunday.

[mellow pike]

Discord link on ctmesh.org is dead

[hidden timber]

fixed the link to here. thanks!

[undone echo]

So how do you talk to people? I finally got my note to work not sure what I did but I'm starting to see other nodes after 4 months of not seeing other nodes. I did get a new antenna.

[sturdy fjord]

ctmesh.org has a good map of nodes around you, and a link to the ct mesh discord with more people who might be able to provide insights

[toxic shard]

Hop on the ctmesh.org discord, lots more help there.

[undone echo]

Thank you! This is what I'm looking for!

[nimble dome]

I’m in the New Haven, East Haven, Branford, region of CT. I’m hoping to put up a couple of nodes in the coming weeks.

[manic berry]

Matt has great parts . His parts really helped with my builds .

[small wedge]

I just got a few nodes. No repeater yet but hopefully I'll be able to get one set up soon and reach out to some of you folks

[sturdy fjord]

be sure to join the discord at ctmesh.org if you haven't already! lots of resources to help you get started and hopefully connected to the main mesh. we have a nice one covering much of the state by this point but it's always growing