us - NYC metro

[amber edge]

Confirmed it works with the android protobuf (which should be the same as all the other platforms)

right now it just prints the config in a pretty-printed format. but we can have it do some extra checks / validations if we think that will be helpful

[jaunty harness]

think python is adding some extra crap, I censored my privKey and put it in a gist so you can see what it's output looks like:

    description: "invalid wire type: StartGroup (expected LengthDelimited)",
    stack: [
        (
            "DeviceProfile",
            "canned_messages",
        ),
    ],
}```

[amber edge]

ty, let me take a look

i was worried it would do that

[jaunty harness]

it's like almost valid json, vs --export-config which produces... almost valid yaml

(which means there's also some way it's to get it to dump xml 😄 )

[amber edge]

let me look at the python cli source. maybe there is

[jaunty harness]

its likely the usual, diff devs at diff times

also: liking Wio Tracker so far... def see how it was big driver for BUI. printing out alley cat's case now and will swap out the (boooo) rp-sma (booooo) pigtail it comes with for sma. also the rp-sma antenna it came with is basically... idk what its tuned for but sure wasn't 915MHz

[karmic junco]

The lorawan one?

[brazen spear]

Anyone get the two grand st messages?

[jaunty harness]

https://www.seeedstudio.com/Wio-Tracker-L1-Pro-p-6454.html

[jaunty harness]

nope 😢

[amber edge]

@jaunty harness i think i can work with the --info format. will look into it tomorrow

[jaunty harness]

word, yeah i think basically just ignore anything but lora.* and the channel cfg at the very end, nothing else in the cfg should matter far as i'm aware

mmm maybe device.rebroadcast?

[midnight mural]

I have one of these en route from China, for my tracking number today

[feral briar]

Did anyone else get a 'good morning' from:

https://meshtastic.org/v/#CMz98oELElAKCSFiMDNjYmVjYxIPTWVzaHRhc3RpYyBiZWNjGgRiZWNjIgY0zbA8vswoK0IgK5DwTJvFZ3lyeUW4R-4uGiZMZaFvSU9vh10QlmDsmSVIAA

Astoria has been a meshtastic island since the MS switch, so it was surprising to see more nodes pop up. Although they have the default config.

[daring moth]

The only good morning I received today was:

[feral briar]

Yeah, I received two on the MediumSlow default channel

[jaunty harness]

All I got was an ack for DOOM from 🪰

But 25 nodes active

[amber edge]

same i just got the ack from 🪰

[normal osprey]

I got the good morning message from becc

[gloomy veldt]

Heyo, moved to Jersey City in January and just got my first node setup.

There any good channels to join? Noticed the LongFast was a bit quiet.

[normal osprey]

Many of us are testing Medium Slow slot 52 (default) right now

[gloomy veldt]

Just went through the guide and caught that. Should be setup for mqtt too

Just sent out a test, short name NUBS

[jaunty harness]

🤔

[gloomy veldt]

Also, did see in the guide that one shouldn't be setting up an infrastructure node unless they're on a high floor. While I'm not on the 100th floor of the WTC I am on the top floor of a 33 story apartment with an unobstructed view over Hoboken

Wanted to setup a router node. Have managed one in the past and this seems like the perfect spot for one.

[jaunty harness]

what do you think a router would do that a client wouldn't?

[normal osprey]

I’m putting an infra node on a 35th floor apartment balcony in Williamsburg and CLIENT is still the recommended role there

[jaunty harness]

yeah basically its a very common misconception that an infra role will do some special rebroadcasting that a regular client won't. the desire to use it def comes from a "I want to help!" motivation which is great, but it can actually be quite detrimental to the overall mesh because they will pre-empt all the clients from rebroadcasting

[normal osprey]

I like the visibility of MeshSense and will likely leave fa5a connected to the MeshSense laptop. I’m seeing lots of position and telemetry messages, despite not receiving many text messages.

[bronze wren]

only becc and my acks for that don't seem to get out AFAICT. Can't reach astoria from elmhurst (LF was garbage too though)

[mortal wind]

Woah, good Morning. I’m getting node info today

ayee

[gloomy veldt]

From what I recall and why a mesh group I've been in have setup nodes was related to hop limits getting exceeded in instances where a cluster of low power nodes consume the hops and the message doesn't get out of that cluster, with the router node being a solution to that potential issue.

[bronze wren]

I have 13 online here but I can't get messages outside of my local nodes.

[gloomy veldt]

It seems like it serves a purpose and I'm surprised the canned response to questions about setting one up is to never do it.

[jaunty harness]

we have blackholes in manhattan from poorly placed router sucking up packets that never get out, we have 3 in brooklyn that aren't greatly positioned, running older firmware, and owners non-communicative that cause excess hops in brooklyn. dense urban environment with a lot of CLIENTs is where infra roles aren't as useful vs wide open spaces and bridged between two sides of a mountain

[bronze wren]

Yeah. I have my hops set high here as I saw high hop consumption just to get to nodes that were 2-3 hops from me on the list (LF). MS hasn't escaped the pocket here yet for TX/

[normal osprey]

It’s not so much a canned response. We’ve seen many incorrectly placed routers on LF do more harm than good. Also, the CLIENT role does routing just fine so it’s recommended to use that in most situations (even 33rd & 35th floor balconies).

[bronze wren]

That that was Queens/Brooklyn. Not sure if it's getting routed towards westward parts of the mesh and getting lost there.

[gloomy veldt]

Gotcha, thanks for the detailed breakdown. Came from Midwestern cities where the density of clients is much more sparse because of urban sprawl.

[normal osprey]

For reference, this is the 35th floor balcony I’m putting an infra node on. Our terrain is very challenging. There’s no way every single node nearby will benefit from routing through me so CLIENT is appropriate here.

Those that will benefit from my node will still route through it!

[gloomy veldt]

Nice. I just need to build my enclosure and get it setup on the balcony.

Waiting on a half wavelength antenna and the actual project box itself.

[amber edge]

@normal osprey that looks like an amazing spot. can't wait to see it on the mesh

[frail grotto]

Working across from P2NY

[midnight mural]

I travel all over the country, even upstate, and mesh on LF20 no problem.

New York City……yeah, you got the cliff notes 🙂

[ashen venture]

It would be cool if the baseball stitching is a mesh webbing (but in the same pattern). idk if gemini could do that though

[ashen venture]

ROUTER_LATE can be useful in that context

I think NYC would need to be more intentional about ROUTER_LATE uses though.

We use it more in hudson valley for hilltops at are over 1k ft

[jaunty harness]

yeah but there's a difference between strategically placing a ROUTER_LATE because of it's positioning vs "I'm gonna set my node to ROUTER_LATE because I think I know exactly what's going on with the entire local mesh and I'm the solution"

there's def some strong candidates for nodes that could/should be infra role but without everyone running client WITHOUT the existing router/router_clients and older firmware clients to actually verify it it's just tossing shit at a wall hoping it sticks

ROUTER_LATE is the least detrimental since it still allows CLIENTs to do their thing before it attempts retransmission, but without an extremely high # of direct/0 hops clients it's probably still better CLIENT

[manic compass]

I picked you up earlier! Hello from Journal Square!

[median gate]

I didn’t see your tests but I saw your seeing mine, near Berry Lane Park in JC

[manic compass]

I received the test message and various ACKs from others of the test. Can’t seem to reply though 😭

[median gate]

What’s your node name?

[manic compass]

Short name KCZ

[median gate]

hmm yeah I don’t think I’ve seen that in the list ever, though we are probably not far

[manic compass]

I’m in Marion at the bottom of a hill so it’s not ideal even from the 4th floor

Hooked up one of my cellular log-periodic antennas to it yesterday and was able to ACK a node in Hoboken after some pointing

[median gate]

Oh yeah that’s going to be tricky to get out of absent a node in Journal Squared. I need to make some friends there, or someone in the city’s annex building on MLK. That has a great view all around

[severe glen]

i’m very close to the solar hoboken node from where I am at in The Heights, but the terrain won’t let me trace route to that node lol

[manic compass]

Location says it’s basically at the base of the cliff. Rough spot for it… was kinda surprised I can reach it (though that seems to be the only thing I can reach lmaoooo)

[jaunty harness]

BOKN is feeb's, it's up on his roof - he has another in Hoboken that's solar with sensors but haven't seen that one for a bit

[digital kettle]

Anyone near lower east side

[mortal wind]

Aye! Usually sit around in East Village on fridays. I might go over there later today.

My nodes are b344 and WRDN, although they are not showing up on the mesh rn.

[digital kettle]

Let me know let's mesh!

[jaunty harness]

I see WRDN as of 2mins ago close to P1NY

[mortal wind]

i’m here at east village rn

oh it’s on mesh!!

[jaunty harness]

ahh could have just be stale position

[gloomy veldt]

Hello!

[gloomy veldt]

Yup, mine is starting to pick up some stations.

May get out and do a range test on my ebike at some point.

[brazen spear]

Grand st is meshing... but 6 hops to bushwick is not great.

Are we moving back to longfast at the end of the weekend? Should we extend the test one week to longfast with a non-standard frequency?

[midnight mural]

So, totally cows upstate 🤣😂just drove by this place

[mortal wind]

finally getting node info from wh_tower

[normal osprey]

I've changed my nodeinfo broadcast inerval to 1 hour (from default 3 hours) during this testing so more nodes have a chance of seeing me

[median gate]

Starting to see you now but it shows position near Philly?

[jaunty harness]

now would be the time to test non-default LF... either slot 45 (MediumFast default) or 52 (MediumSlow default) would be interesting but could also get crazy and try like slot 100 (~925MHz)

[normal osprey]

I finally found a node that I can consistently get a TR response from

[jaunty harness]

heh, the route is direct though 😄

that node is usually hop between me and zilla on LF

[normal osprey]

the best kinda TR tbh lol

[jaunty harness]

8.5 snr is pretty insane, i'd say it was in the same room but the rssi is too high (my CM 1W node is 8.25/-30 set at tx_power 9 like 20ft from the window femto)

[normal osprey]

i like having at least one node that i can hit direct to and back for testing. finally found that node on MS.

[jaunty harness]

you're... north facing at the new place?

[normal osprey]

Yeah, facing north with Marsha P Johnson Park in front of me so good line of sight (no tall buildings blocking me).

[jaunty harness]

k, just been curious aprox location for that one since it's been consistent for me and zilla... maybe greenpoint?

def on this side of the river, and west of bqe off those #s you're seeing (it's 1 hop for me right now)

[normal osprey]

This is where my node lives for now until I move it to my friends balcony (hopefully soon)

[manic compass]

I was down there last weekend visiting! Got my Heltec at Iffy Books down there

[jaunty harness]

AHHHH maybe 🪟 is up high in LIC? or could also be eastward i suppose

I'm also north facing but still pull in plenty east/west

[normal osprey]

All of a sudden, I'm getting traceroutes back from multiple nodes. Maybe the planets are aligned. Every TR to P1NY previously failed.

[normal osprey]

all of my returned TR are coming back through the Window node so pretty solid for me too

[jaunty harness]

nice and dang - that must def have been planetary alignment, still can't get TRs going but still also don't even see them in the logs of the node sending the TR but do in the CM node on my desk

[normal osprey]

Finally have some time to test MS. I've delivered a message and gotten an ack from:
P1NY
Window
dkTower
Vernon
Hops
Acer saccharinum
Catalpa
GrandSt
P2NY
P4NY
8eaf
🐎📨
P3NY
Quasimodo
W2ASM-1
fdc0
Green Hill Food Cooperative

Almost all of these acknowledged by another node first, which Id guess is Window

[normal osprey]

Hmm, the iOS app auto-favorites any node I send a message to now. I don't like that.

[normal osprey]

Who owns the node called Window?

I've never gone through and DM a bunch of nodes to see who all I can hit until tonight. Might start tracking some of these across presets for our testing.

[normal osprey]

that’s apparently what chatgpt thinks the skyline looks like

their logo is pretty nice

[amber edge]

Acer is mine also

[torpid imp]

After a few days of not seeing nodes in my TDeck + im finally seeing some 771e, 4b7b, 585b. No acknowledgment though

[celest brook]

are we talking about the logo for the website or the regional crew? Or both

i forsee this leading to years more of hearing "oh yeah I think I get my internet at home through nymesh"

[glossy pine]

MeshNY instead?

[celest brook]

Maybe something with meshtastic or anything to differentiate it from nycmesh

[daring moth]

https://meshtastic.org/docs/legal/licensing-and-trademark/

[normal osprey]

It’s a bit precarious with nycmesh.net and nyme.sh already

[daring moth]

Maybe add the words "long range", as that's what LoRa (the underlying technology behind Meshtastic) technically stands for?

[celest brook]

Or meshtext or something that communicates what the average person will actually do with it

@daring moth what are you pointing out in particular there

i see that they ask for prior written permission before using "Meshtastic" in a social media account name or a domain name. the use of the trademark is more permissible for other usage in non-commercial and community web sites

[jaunty harness]

//\/\ vs //\/\ powered

[celest brook]

that's for "projects that are powered by Meshtastic technology", which I interpret to mean a device, not a community or user group deploying a network, which appears to be covered in the "Noncommercial and community web sites", "Social Media", and :Non-software goods" sections.

but i also only started thinking about this an hour ago, I assume others have put thought into it already

[jaunty harness]

i've brought up the potential NYMesh confusion before, and we have some people who are part of both groups (and have access to NYMesh's numerous rooftop locations) 🤷

[celest brook]

yeah i mean that's the issue i often deal with, saying this to someone who is learning about meshtastic for the first time but is vaguely aware of nycmesh: "meshtastic and nycmesh are two separate technologies doing separate things, though they are both mesh networks deployed in nyc, and some of the meshtastic nodes are collocated with nycmesh installs".

i mean i could leave that last part out but they still usually seem confused

[jaunty harness]

yeah it's basically differentiation around the use-case "one is home internet access, the other is basically text messaging" but it would be good to get some sort of official "we don't care" or "knock it off" over the naming

[normal osprey]

We’re the NY (state) Mesh and they’re the NYC(ity) Mesh

[glossy pine]

Lora.nyc?

[frail grotto]

This was a hallucination and accident and I like it

[normal osprey]

Maybe we should do something in Meshtastic green so it’s on brand and more obvious that this is the meshtastic group

NY Mesh 2: Max Transmission Reached
😂

[thorn quest]

I would watch that film

[glossy pine]

AcknowledgedByAnotherNode.nyc

[celest brook]

From montauk to buffalo, ny mesh got you covered

[jaunty harness]

NYMesh 2: Electric Boogaloo

[glossy pine]

Oh man http://ack.nyc would be so good but it’s expensive

[tough acorn]

Anyone going to the Sussex County Ham Fleamarket tomorrow?

[abstract iron]

yo so we are doing well on MS?

I'm back in NYC soon

Portugal mesh is interesting they seem to use MQTT more

I said yo from the water on the Azores and got a response from the mainland (note that's like 2.5 h flight so it has to be mqtt)

not a lot of chatted

chatter

[normal osprey]

Did some extensive testing last night and am seeing pretty good performance. Don’t have anything to compare last nights testing to though.

[manic compass]

Didn’t know that existed!

[frail grotto]

Was just at grand army plaza it's a dead zone there

[midnight mural]

What’s the ELI5 on meshsense vs Meshtastic

Or if someone has a good video/article url to post

[daring moth]

That's like comparing Raspberry Pi OS to the single board computer it runs on. MeshSense vs https://meshtastic.org/docs/software/web-client/ would be a better comparison.

[midnight mural]

https://affirmatech.com/meshsense

this is what I am taking about. Is it a different app than meshtastic, but uses the same nodes?

[normal osprey]

Meshsense is just a meshtastic client… like the iOS app, android app, macOS app… except it gives a lot more info

[midnight mural]

oh ok, I was waaaaaay over thinking it, thank yoU!

I should run this on my desktop and BT to a node with it🤯

[normal osprey]

I have dedicated an old Windows laptop to run MeshSense and stay connected to Smorgasburg fa5a. Now, I can remote into that laptop and check on the node anytime.

Way better than connecting via the iOS app whenever i’m home.

Might run it on a raspberry pi instead when i have time

[midnight mural]

I was thinking about what to do with my old raspi2....my raspi3's are out on a mission currently

[normal osprey]

I’m just not sure how to see acks in meshsense. I get TR responses but don’t see acks in there.

Just started using it yesterday though

[midnight mural]

so it's bluetooth or wifi, damn, no usb

who is 5b8e?

[jaunty harness]

you can run MeshSense "headless" on a raspi (or femtofox, or mac, etc..) and then just connect to it via a browser from another machine, running MeshSense in GUI mode is kinda painful on anything less than a pi 4

[normal osprey]

I have a pi4 only running pihole, wireguard, and my unifi wireless controller currently. Might be perfect for this.

[brazen spear]

I got that covered. Going up sometime sooner or later. Node built and in the pile for prospect heights install

Should get direct connect to southslope, Borough Park, and vernon, as well as coverage for all of prospect park

[jaunty harness]

https://github.com/Affirmatech/MeshSense/issues/22 has links to the arm64 version and some tips on running as a systemd service + headless mode

[normal osprey]

Would love to get a list of all your nodes @brazen spear when you have a minute. I've started compiling a list of key infra nodes.

[jaunty harness]

LilyBX, GrandSt, Vernon2, ProspectPark, SouthSlope... one other I always forget

[brazen spear]

Olmstead needs a visit but is installed. I just never go to the city anymore 😅

[brazen spear]

Also there's resistor but that's basically GRNCH's node now

[jaunty harness]

heh Olmsted was the one I was forgetting, R2 I'd consider more personal node though it does seem to be a good part of the downtown Brooklyn mesh

[normal osprey]

and fdc0 but that’s not infra

[brazen spear]

Yeah I've got a bunch of smaller nodes, carry or solar on subprime roofs that just cover a dozen blocks or so each. I wouldn't add them to the list.

[midnight mural]

Oh yeah, headless is the way to go. That’s how I run IRL 😂🤣

I have a MS🍕🎉going

[jaunty harness]

me 40mins ago 😄

i can neither confirm nor deny if I was eating pizza at the time

(i totally was)

[quiet crest]

Hey could anyone put me in contact with who is running the MQTT/Grafana server for NY? I got some technical questions i was hoping to ask.

[jaunty harness]

he's usually not around discord on weekends but that'd be @fervent nebula

[jaunty harness]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DMBoUOdPtlN/

Cool to see the iterative evolution of their drone designs, especially since it ends up with my diy variant 😆

[fervent nebula]

That's me!

[quiet crest]

Sent you a friend request so i can DM you if thats cool.

[daring moth]

Or you could create a Discord thread in the #random channel, if spamming this thread is your concern.

[daring moth]

(It would be better if Discord threads could be nested.)

[fervent nebula]

I'm generally not watching as closely on weekends, but y'all can ping me whenever. I'm pretty terminally online.

[karmic junco]

Gots the new starlinky

They do hAve the 10gb backup connection option.

[abstract iron]

ugh no. it's such a relief to use this compared to "work-like" chat

[midnight mural]

Mmmmmm, 10GB

[karmic junco]

10gb for 10 dollars a month ain't bad

Part of my mobile coms deployment.

Projects amongst projects

[shy saffron]

I connected a battery to a mini rak and it blew up. The battery was wired correctly.

The module did not get burned so I salvaged it and it works on another base.

[karmic junco]

Was it a freshly charged battery?

[shy saffron]

No. Unused battery.

[karmic junco]

What was the battery voltage?

I've heard raks are very voltage sensitive

So it is possible an inrush cause it.. or a defective board. Hard to say

[shy saffron]

I used the same battery with another board with the salvaged module and it's working fine.

[shy saffron]

Chinese battery. From the Bouye Solar Node Project.

[karmic junco]

An unmeasured battery is an unknown.

[mortal wind]

yesss i’m able to connect to med slow now

in bushwick atm

[twin root]

IDk if yall saw the billion new nodes on Longfast in gowanus yesterday but there was many people at Summercon (Security conf) with mesh stuff, I gave out about 25 nodes.

[shy saffron]

Gowanus. Learned something new today.

[twin root]

I refuse to call it park slope lol

If I can smell the canal it is gowanus

[jaunty harness]

buddy used to have studio down there in the old box factory building @ union/nevins it's 100% Gowanus

[twin root]

There are some gems down there

https://publicrecords.nyc/sound-room/

we hung out at this place afterwards

im not an audio person but it sounded incredible

[bronze wren]

Gowanus has lots of hidden gems. Lots of little private hacker spaces too.

And yeah. Slope doesn't count till you cross to the uphill side of 4th ave.

[jaunty harness]

dinosaur bbq has (had? been a few years) a spot down there too

[midnight mural]

I was thinking 10GB Ethernet…I need a small data plan hotspot….been also thinking about [auto]mobile projects.

Power is my other concern. I’d like to run a pi off some sort of battery I can charge while the car is running, would be sweet to add solar when the car is not running….one day.

[bronze wren]

Dinobbq is aight

I'd rather skip to Redhook for hometown

[mortal wind]

got my Queens node on network. letsgooo

[mortal wind]

home of a Micro Center.

[karmic junco]

Depends on how small

The pi needs shutdown

[amber edge]

regular psa: please turn on "Ok to MQTT" in your nodes' LORA settings. it means you'll show up here https://meshview.nyme.sh/nodegraph which makes it easier to understand how connected our mesh is

[karmic junco]

There's a limited data plan iot

[mortal wind]

A guestbook, so to speak.

[karmic junco]

It that'sike 100mb a month

There is also 10 year 500mb

For 10 bucks

You for hell better be sure what your sending for that little data.

I bought a DJI mini 4k

[nimble coyote]

what if we still don't show up?

[amber edge]

@nimble coyote how long have you had the option on?

[nimble coyote]

not long, does it just take a little?

[amber edge]

yep

[karmic junco]

https://shop.1nce.com/en

[midnight mural]

That’s neat 😎

[midnight mural]

I end up just talking to myself in my apt between nodes. I have to go out to the east river to get anyone else

[karmic junco]

I am in the same boat. Sorta. Occasionally there will be a fly by or something and then I will see some. Odea

Nodes

[bronze wren]

lol no. That's industry city and flushing if you're talking NYC.

[mortal wind]

ahh yes i get there and harbor freight confused

There is like 5 micro centers in New York. It’s amazing.

with 3 in close proximity.

[abstract iron]

I was blasting MS on my descent just now into JFK, anybody get me?

[jaunty harness]

nope 8(

[median gate]

negative

[mortal wind]

i got your node info tho.

[abstract iron]

damn really

[junior sorrel]

Has anyone seen my node candle 1? I receive messages but every time I've tried to send I get a max retransmission error. It is inside my apartment and using the stock seed antenna so it's far from optimal conditions but just curious if I show up at all

[abstract iron]

I got these on descent

[median gate]

FWIW I'm depending on a rooftop node to reach the mesh so I've got a 1-hop handicap, I'm sending with 4 but struggle to receive since many send with 3 still

[median gate]

negative, and I don't see it on https://meshview.nyme.sh/nodelist either (do you have OK to MQTT enabled?)

[junior sorrel]

I do not have MQTT on. I see tons of nodes, I've gotten 1 hop messages so it's weird to me that not a single message gets out. I may just need a new antenna. I'll also try firing a message out from my roof

[median gate]

if you enable OK to MQTT it can help diagnose since you'll show up on the map/graph if a gating node hears you and you can see if your packets are getting out even if you aren't receiving the acks (btw folks here have been testing the Medium Slow preset in case you're still on Long Fast)

[abstract iron]

def try the roof

[abstract iron]

starting to see some nodes

from 495

[ashen venture]

I have a pi 4 in headless and it seems to work okayish.

[jaunty harness]

it takes like 2mins to launch on my Hackberry (pi zero2) but headless is actually useable. if you have the webclient enabled in meshtasticd you can also run it on whatever machine and then just point at the node's IP

[ashen venture]

yeah I have been meaning to try out meshtasticd with the compatible pi hats but I haven't yet

[bronze wren]

I haven't paid much attention but saw lots of folks around gowanus who might've had nodes. I kept my mobile unit on MS today. Penguin might've shown up between stops.

I need to get a meshtasticd build running locally so I can ditch the apt base setup on femtofox. I want to dump the slow distro and set it up so I can just scp or maybe try a kind of netboot

Its not high priority for now given how cut off this part of Queens still is.

[jaunty harness]

ahh 🐧 was you! I also noticed 🧇 which i hadn't seen before

i've been building meshtasticd on Luckfox Lyra Ultra which is also 32bit, takes like ~55mins from scratch to test PRs but mostly just been on daily apt source and updating when something interesting is added/fixed. otherwise it's just qemu + 32bit env + a bunch of random libfoo-dev pkgs

[midnight mural]

I can see waffle from the east river, that is a great node name

Just making shit up here, would a Long Slow or other preset test be worthwhile before we go back to LongFast?

[abstract iron]

catching up here, where is waffle located?

I won't have my solar up tomorrow but I'll be in Chelsea with my usual dual nodes on MS

[frail grotto]

Yeah it's weird I had this trace route earlier

[brazen spear]

I would like us to test longfast on a non-standard frequency slot. We could stay on 52 to get a better comparison.

[midnight mural]

I like that idea. We should probably setup a poll to run a day or two, switch again on Sunday??? I know today is Monday, did we have a solid “end of test date?”

[maiden thistle]

Could we try a slot that works with the Airframes cavity filter? Slot 16-24? Is that too close to the default LF slot of 20?

[midnight mural]

That’s a fair point….i too have been eyeing that

[brazen spear]

Should be fine

[abstract iron]

anecdotally picked up way more nodeinfo biking today on MS

[midnight mural]

Gonna be blasting MS52 leaving JFK

[jaunty harness]

Airframes Cav is AMAZING but tuned for LF it’s def too narrow for the MF/MS tests and while you could retune it does feel like a big ask for our testing (unless you’re into that, then have at) vs maybe just omitting it for the test?

It’s same prob with my first filter design, great at a narrow band but if someone’s running a private Channel that hashes to a slot outside that narrow range you’re deaf to them/not retransmitting which is why I switched to one that’s centered on 915 but 200MHz bandwidth

Airframes vs my current design, PCBs and components ordered last night to build 10 for the infra nodes

[maiden thistle]

I could swap to a Callboost filter if need. My Station G2 is virtually deaf without a cavity filter

[viral glacier]

I am waffle! And pretzel and bagel. Clinton Hill BK 🧇🥨🥯 I'm new to the mesh but catching up quick

[jaunty harness]

awww look at that adorable Waffle - also welcome, long time fan of your projects!

[viral glacier]

To clarify, the cat's name is not Waffle. Just the node. And my horse in RDR2. The cat's name is Benchley.

[jaunty harness]

yeah filter made massive difference for me, i'm just thinking the least amount of changes for you but still able to help test

[daring moth]

Welcome. I think I recognize you from DigiKey's YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEBQazB0HUyTF7kB7v1S77F9QK0gT--Kt

[viral glacier]

yep that's me! I've got my own channel too https://youtube.com/beckystern

[daring moth]

If you haven't already, make sure to read the config recommendations posted on https://nyme.sh/

[viral glacier]

Thank you! That's how I found this discord. Elecrow sent me their thinknode radios that come pre-programmed with meshtastic, and i've also got a heltec muzi works one also.

I have a question about this part of the documentation-- Should "ignore MQTT" be enabled, or disabled? suggest clarifying the language

[daring moth]

My understanding is the "defaults" listed on that webpage is the configuration recommended for most users, with some users opting to deviate from those defaults.

[jaunty harness]

MQTT ends up a personal choice to enable or not, plusses and minuses to both

[mortal wind]

“Ok to MQTT” helps to send nodeinfo in nyme.sh to help propagate the nodelist: #1202833898376138752 message

[amber edge]

that text is confusing though. those bullet points under Ignore should be indented. and also why do we mention it if we aren't making a recommendation

[abstract iron]

look we can actually message again

also weird that the donk actually received anything

[fervent nebula]

so propose a change to fix it https://github.com/MeshNY/meshny.github.io/pulls

[amber edge]

done https://github.com/MeshNY/meshny.github.io/pull/15

[viral glacier]

what does the 'ignore mqtt' setting do and why would one enable/disable it?

[fervent nebula]

your node will ignore any messages that are marked as relayed from an mqtt server.

[daring moth]

MQTT is a way for Meshtastic packets to be transmitted over the wider internet. "Ignore MQTT" is equivalent to marking all nodes that originate from MQTT as "ignored". The packets from ignored nodes are both hidden from your client apps and do not get rebroadcasted.

[viral glacier]

so is that better for our network, to ignore those excess packets?

trying to wrap my head around how the settings should relate to different network situations

[daring moth]

MQTT won't work if there's an actual internet outage, which is one of the primary situations to use Meshtastic during. Along with reducing channel utilization (basically congestion), it's a good way to practice what it'll be like if and when that does occur.

[fervent nebula]

For NY specific settings, the nyme.sh mqtt server does not allow nodes to subscribe and therefore cannot relay packets to nodes. The credentials provided on the website are 'write-only' for the purposes of logging packets to the various mesh tools. The "Ignore MQTT" setting is more useful in a mixed environment for nodes that may be connected to other MQTT servers but not want to have the information from the mqtt mingled with the radio info.

[viral glacier]

cool cool, ty for explaining! headed to Bay Area for Open Sauce next weekend and want to bring my radios. Jeff Geerling said there were over 500 nodes there last year

[daring moth]

It's recommended to backup your private keys then flash the https://opensauce.meshtastic.org/ firmware for the duration of the event.

[jaunty harness]

another drawback to MQTT in a node-dense environment like NYC is you'll easily hit the limit of 80 nodes in the device's nodeDB on nRF52840 (ESP32 have a little more wiggle room, 200/250 cap based off the devices PSRAM) so you it ends up constantly cycling which isn't the biggest deal and more cosmetic of "wheres that node i'm looking for amongst this mix of ones i've heard over RF and MQTT"

[midnight mural]

Anyone get my MS52 messages leaving JFK?

[lament wing]

Was about to post about the special flasher but seems like I don’t have to. I’m one of the guys that’s going to be running the Meshtastic exhibit and I was also part of it last year (I’m visible briefly in the Jeff getting vid and he gave me a pi pico)

[viral glacier]

see you there!

[jaunty harness]

no outbound 🍕 party here 😢

[midnight mural]

Booooooooo

MS52 is a no for me dawg…..except out by Roosevelt Island

Searching on mobile is dogshit: anyone have that t1e baofang clip 3D print??

[jaunty harness]

I've printed this one, even with PC-ASA it's not as good as a metal one and snapped pretty quick

[midnight mural]

There was one posted earlier as a holster for the t1e using the baofeng uv clip and had charger access

[rare sparrow]

Merged!

[midnight mural]

https://www.printables.com/model/1262259-t1000-e-cases-with-charger-access

been looking for a bit, FOUND IT

[jaunty harness]

oh! my bad - thought you just wanted the "clip" - I did reprint that one and moved the into it, works as good as original Alley Cat but no more removing to recharge

[midnight mural]

All good, it was harder to find it because I had to go through all the t1e and t1000-e listings on the sites.

[jaunty harness]

the trick is to login and just download stuff even if you're not gonna print it yourself/right away - there's a My Profile > Downloaded list you can reference to find it later

[midnight mural]

I don’t have a printer, so that thought never occurred to me

[jaunty harness]

heh I don't know when exactly they added it but it's been super helpful to find something i've printed and search is failing

i guess other thing would be you could make a collection of meshtastic things you'd like to print eventually and keep them organized that way

[torpid imp]

Anyone copy me on MS : CRB

[rare sparrow]

Nope : (

[brazen spear]

Got that crb

[jaunty harness]

if you're 82dc sure did!

(from Williamsburg @ 1hop)

[glossy pine]

yes if its 82dc then i saw it @2 hops in cobble hill

[abstract iron]

I saw 82dc in Chelsea

[glossy pine]

Is LongSlow an option for a test? Or are we doing LF with a different frequency next?

[jaunty harness]

huh I thought LONG_SLOW for sure along with LONG_MODERATE were completely removed from firmware, the former is only really useful for the extreme distance records but even moderate would be probably a step back in terms of transmission times (and thus increase in airtime/channel use vs LONG_FAST/faster presets)

[glossy pine]

True true

But way lower number of nodes

At this point I’m just combining random distance and speed words and seeing if it’s an option

[jaunty harness]

hehe, there might be some way to get the speed of MED_FOO transmissions on LONG_FAST preset by messing with the spread factor/coding rate but that's also beyond me

[glossy pine]

There are some corners LongFast seems to do better at turning, I’m thinking a few nodes I know of in courtyards, maybe the freq change is the way

[jaunty harness]

yeah the extra few db of noise floor on LF def made a difference (e.g. once/twice a day being able to hit BOKN direct across Canal St from Williamsburg vs MF/MS haven't hit it direct at all)

but the extra responsiveness from quicker transmissions also mean things like messages/acks/TRs happen faster AND we're using less airtime to do it

I know Gardener wanted to look into it more but not sure if he had time to research/test

[normal osprey]

got the “anyone copy/hey from bushwick” messages in Williamsburg

[abstract iron]

anybody get me from the WB

[amber edge]

@normal osprey yep i got it. just looked at my phone

[normal osprey]

middle of the bridge test?

[abstract iron]

yes

[normal osprey]

got it from Marsha P Johnson Park (facing north with no line of sight to the bridge)

[abstract iron]

way better than that MF

I don't think MF even bent around your building there

I had to ride to the top of inlet

[fervent nebula]

I tried replacing the node at SST today, but had no improvements in reachability on MS. Disappointing to say the least, but I now have a pi on site for recovery and upgrades if necessary, so that's a nice improvement.

[jaunty harness]

did anything seem off with channel/airtime %? maybe something in logs like "Can not send yet, busyRx" or "Ignore received packet due to error=-7" ?

[karmic junco]

Not personally

[fervent nebula]

No weird channel/airtime issues. Havent seen anything in the logs yet but I'll watch it later. At an event for a couple hours here

[rare sparrow]

nope

mine stays at 0% anyways 😂

[karmic junco]

Don't worry mine is almost as bad.

[abstract iron]

my solar node keeps crashing but when I can get it back out on the winow I look forward to being able to mesh with Haqer, Xam, [Window], etc

and pork when we get 915 mhz ducting

[jaunty harness]

yeah i've yet to see any node > 15% on MF/MS, even that is an outlier as most seem to be ~5% - just trying to toss out ideas possibly whys

[jaunty harness]

i ordered 20 PCBs and 10 filters last night, someone went crazy about bought the ~440 from OEM and another couple hundred from Digikey between Friday morn and last night which has me super paranoid that suddenly there was a demand for several hundred of a part I specifically mentioned available from both those vendors on thurs

[fervent nebula]

I picked up a pile of modules to try to build some meshsticks in my copious "free" time

[jaunty harness]

they're pretty straight forward build but def ask if you have any questions, i've hotplated a few and only one failure 8)

[midnight mural]

The fact that people are setup to solder those mesh sticks together makes me jealous

….looks at @jaunty harness 😎

[midnight mural]

Have fun!

[jaunty harness]

it's actually only like $50 to get the tiny hot plate and accoutrements from ali, it's actually easier than regular soldering as it's more like a game of operation and then once youv'e carefully placed all the pieces heat it up for a few mins and watch the magic as surface tension pulls parts into position

i def did not start 2025 thinking i'd finally be doing SMT work but here i am cranking stuff out with well >50% success rate (I totally blame NomDeTom and the rest of the folks releasing their DIY designs)

[amber edge]

every day it feels like MS gets slightly better, at least where i frequent

[karmic junco]

Wasn't me

[karmic junco]

How do you guys have your setup.?

[torpid imp]

Got it on my end, in LIC near the power plant

[jaunty harness]

in terms of what exactly, like specific equipment?

[median gate]

Welp, solar node crapped out so not hearing anything on MS. I think it stopped working before the rain started so not a water issue

[median gate]

LF seems to be working pretty well still with only the node on the bench

[midnight mural]

oh, well, I did not realize things have come a long way. I fabed a board up years ago with through hole so I could solder it, I didn't think you could do that at home anytime soon....yet here we are. Oh, I lost the antenna to the meshstick while traveling today. The WisMesh Pocket has lost its antenna for a few days 😦

[karmic junco]

Oh your workstation to solder. I don't want to do it in the house because of the kids

[jaunty harness]

oh I just do it on the workbench, not noticeable change in hydrocarbons and VOCs until I pull out the 100% isopropyl to clean up the flux after soldering

(then the VOCs go WILD)

otherwise just an old 12V cpu fan plugged into 5V usb to get the fumes out my face while soldering

I swear rain is better for MF/MS - Vernon2 currently SNR @ -3.25, where it's usually been -5 -> -8 since the Medium swap

[daring moth]

Maybe the signal and noise get attenuated by unequal amounts?

[jaunty harness]

so you're saying ... magic?? 😄

[daring moth]

Or that more attenuation equals less distance that the signal is able to travel, which might have unintentional side-effect of reducing the amount of RF reflections. 🤷

[median gate]

There’s a ham repeater in flushing that I’m convinced sounds clearer to me when it’s raining, but I haven’t tried quantifying it

[jaunty harness]

LF i could def quantify a lower # of "active" nodes but MF/MS seems different so far

[median gate]

Either some happy accident of attenuation, or a variation on this scenario: https://predr.ag/blog/wifi-only-works-when-its-raining/

[jaunty harness]

haha that's a great story

i used to have the opposite: my internet would die when it rained - only took 7 years to get verizon out to check the copper WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY RAINING to confirm we had a shitty pair

just this endless loop of "hello my phone dies when it rains" "let me check the line... i see no problems" "is it raining now??" "well no..."

now verizon mocks me with an ONT across the street and old copper from same pole run outside my window... and refuse to sell me FIOS

[median gate]

Rude

[daring moth]

I wonder how accurate https://broadbandmap.fcc.gov/location-summary/fixed is for your location.

[jaunty harness]

spot on

good thing our taxes paid them $2b to provide fiber to the entire city and after 4 years of delays from the original target they only covered 50% and still on the shit where they won't bring to a building if the building doesn't provide the inside wiring

[daring moth]

Does that mean that only apartments with an exterior wall on the ground floor can get fiber internet, as that's the only place that wouldn't require "inside wiring"?

[jaunty harness]

it's commercial space on the first floor and verizon has told at least one of them the same they told me

i think my only hope is approach bribe a linesperson I catch working in the can up the street and be like "yo those wires? that's my apt, fiber please???????"

[daring moth]

Given how thin fiber strands are, I'm curious if anyone's thought of laying many redundant paths of something like https://www.corning.com/fiber-to-the-premise/worldwide/en/home/solutions/clear-track-fiber-pathway.html, but outside. With enough redundant paths, it'll theoretically allow a car to run over a few strands without interrupting the overall connection. My guess is that that much automatic failover would get prohibitively expensive.

[abstract iron]

I think you can 311 vzn for being lazy about compliance with their NYC deal?

[abstract iron]

https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-01058

[jaunty harness]

heh yeah i've tried - never got follow up

[daring moth]

Not even a NACK?

[abstract iron]

hmmmmmm

[ashen venture]

anyone have any recommendations for weather apis that aren't super expensive and include realtime lightning data?

I want to make a channel for hudson valley mesh that will broadcast lightning strikes. looking around, xweather looks like best-in-class but also are $300/mon. weatherbit.io is $45/month, which is way too expensive for what I need. I just want to throw a few lat/lon at an API every few minutes and get back lightning strikes.

some other apps like weatherbug or weather channel seem to be opaque about how to pay for APIs. Many places tell you to contact sales.

I could probably monitor one of the free browser-based versions with a headless browser via selenium, but that seems like a huge pain.

[jaunty harness]

I use open-weather with free-tier api for few years but don't recall ever seeing lightning info

but it's on 10m scrape schedule for 4 calls which falls under their limits, but i'm only using the weather and api for 3 locations + aqi for nyc

[ashen venture]

yeah I didn't see lightning with openweather

[jaunty harness]

but that + two indoor sensors for IAQ and TVOCs gets me this

[ashen venture]

that's super cool and great visuals

[jaunty harness]

the TVOCs is using a BME680 and needs some manually tweaking to the humidity to get accurate readings but overall been very happy with it and haven't had to touch the openweather part

i have a separate PM2.5/PM1.0/HCHO/VOCs meter but it's not integrated into anything but very useful to compare against since the two graphed sensors are around desk/workbench

[abstract iron]

fired up my solar/Velcro node hoping to see some mesh

[midnight mural]

That’s on my winter project list 😎weather logging in multiple locations

[abstract iron]

https://hackaday.com/tag/lightning-detector/

I didn't look if this is just a swl threshold test or something but pretty sure you can hear close ones

[midnight mural]

SoCal mesh has shakers that report earthquakes. That’s neat

@ashen venture why don't you all install lighting detectors and broadcast that around the mesh, and internet as a backup of course 🙂

I've cobbled together in testing a script that sends temp and humidity from weather-utils at the local airport, on my main channel. Works a treat sometimes, but I need to further learn more about venv and uv.

you can take a script output, or have a sensor (or many), send data over the mesh.

Main channel gets a message when a strike is detected, private channel gets a hourly summary as well? I dunno, I'm sitting here drinking coffee missing NYC. Don't mind me

I am totally a fan of weather data

I guess you could also MQTT for easy logging????

[brazen spear]

When are we moving the test to LongFast? Did we pick a frequency? Did someone request freqslot 24 for antenna/filter cross compatibility?

[bronze wren]

Who's 4422?

Got a message, just missing telemetry for names.

[abstract iron]

that's me

what's the timestamp? I tried from Kosciuszko bridge and Bushwick Inlet Park

and also smashed the button riding around

K bridge is weirdly such a dead zone for our coverage

right before 8 was K bridge

after is bip

[karmic junco]

Wh as t are these connectors called?

Usually I'm used to sma style

[daring moth]

One of these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_RF_connector_types

[karmic junco]

Wait there's a repeater in flushing?

[karmic junco]

Are you part of Hudson valley?

[daring moth]

https://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchGeographic.jsp

[karmic junco]

I don't know how well voc sensors work against a real air monitor.. however. We can test this

[karmic junco]

Doom circle

[karmic junco]

Wish they just had a picture index

[karmic junco]

Found it. Ts9

[karmic junco]

I must have missed it or the ts9 sizing isn't even mentioned.

[daring moth]

Although not RF specific, this YouTube video is a great guide for determining which type an unknown connector is of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf_rMngXQ04

[median gate]

WB2HWW, 440.700 MHz

[median gate]

I'm extracting data from a Tempest on my roof, including lightning strikes up to 40+ km away (no direction just range). I’ve been tempted to have it feed into the mesh somehow, or otherwise disseminate it, but it’s been a low priority project. Easy to work with but not a cheap device to be sure.

[abstract iron]

wow that one is still Around?

hww

[median gate]

the repeater and howie himself

[abstract iron]

no I meant the repeater yeah heh

I used that one to test my motorcycle comms in my helmet back in the day

before I switched over to other modes

because somebody was always on to signal check with

was always amazed he had a repeater up somehow

[karmic junco]

As a conceptual thing, I'd think mqtt the data. The mesh just inst strong enough

[karmic junco]

Will have to give that a go sometime

[karmic junco]

What modes did you switch to

I went the cb/ham/spot/plb/lorawan/meshtastic

Though. Now it's backboned by cellular/starlink

With Some shari pi clones

[abstract iron]

disclaimer I'm not huge on the legalese. we just used various baofeng or ham on MURS. there were some strange RF issues with FRS that we never figured out.

ham HT

I forget exactly but stuff like can't transmit with bike on or something. weird RF stuff

I think I was on a different bike for Howie test than long term solution (regarding both being 400ish MHz)

[jaunty harness]

I've tested it against IPA, Krazy Glue and solder fumes and all def triggered a spike in VOCs (as long as the humidity scale was within ~10% of the actual humidity)

[bronze wren]

BIP

I reacted with a wave from Penguin but I doubt it made it around that way.

I get 1-2 messages a day on the public channel.

I expect I'm 1 well placed node somewhere in either maspeth or jackson heights away from solid connectivity.

I would occasionally hit midtown directly in good conditions on LF. So it might be a matter of channel selection if we do that swap soon.

[mortal wind]

from what I can tell through my discovery, I saw one or two nodes there on LF a while back nearJackson Heights (from Bushwick).

[bronze wren]

Seems like there's something over there. It's just not ever hearing me.

RX seems bad over there. Walking on foot seems dead lately so they might not keep the node on either.

I've tried to TR pretty much every node I get anything from at various points in time and a majority can't return even if I see 1-3 hop count.

MS I never get a return.

LF it was maybe 1/500 tries.

(Not flooding these either... maybe 15 TRs a day with nothing and sometimes one response)

[abstract iron]

TR is hit or miss for me.

[bronze wren]

My local nodes work great and mobile nodes connect fine once I'm towards ridgewood.

Well, I never got acks on public messages so I stopped trying.

[mortal wind]

Yeah there is like a whole deadzone between bushwick and key gardens.

pretty massive, but like, if one node was just right there, a lot of the mesh would be able to connect between queens and brooklyn

[bronze wren]

Top of Maspeth would do wonders.

I don't know anyone over there.

[mortal wind]

Last I seen anecdotally, is a node named “Rose” but outside of that nothing is directly showing up unless I go to jamaica

[bronze wren]

That's one of mine.

I sometimes take it towards Jamaica with me but it sits in an alternate window right now.

[mortal wind]

In that case then, yeah the falloff after ridgewood is real

[bronze wren]

I have about 10 nodes I cycle through depending.

[mortal wind]

ah understandable. My nodes are currently mobile, but I’m building a stationary one soon

[bronze wren]

I swapped in a femtofox for my main window node. Running on a filter seems to help a bit too.

[fervent nebula]

anyone here operating 98dc0ac7 on channel ILANY? your messages are hitting the nyme.sh MQTT (and meshview), but not reliably decoding (due to channel/encryption mismatch?), you might want to check your configs.

[jaunty harness]

i can check my db in a few mins (well and then another min or so for it to dump all 600+ --nodes)

huh, not in there

[fervent nebula]

Now that I'm doing serial logging I'm seeing occasional ignored packets due to error =-7, or delayed packets, but the majority are showing successful transmit. I was able to see relayed packets easily on site yesterday, so I'm thinking it's just that my Rx is better than my Tx at this frequency. I ordered a couple of new antennas to test at home, maybe I can swap those out and get a little bit more range. The existing antenna was GREAT at LF, I didn't test it specifically for MS.

I've been thinking about leaving my portapak in the window and just watching the whole band to see what else is out there.

[abstract iron]

rtl_power used to be useful back in the day haven't looked recently

can't remember how you set bandwidth and slices / channnels

[fervent nebula]

I think this is my favorite item in the log, because it makes me chuckle every time. They should have left this as the flag name in the UI: INFO | 16:25:00 4107 [Router] MQTT onSend - Not forwarding packet due to DontMqttMeBro flag

[daring moth]

I forwarded that to #random message

[main plover]

Hello Meshers! I am visiting mom up in Co-Op City. Coming from Florida. Hope to make a few contacts. She is on the 9th floor so I will be up about 90-110 feet. Only taking two of my nodes, one to leave up on her co-op the other to travel around. Are there any considerations for Meshing in NYC?

[daring moth]

Yes, they're listed on https://nyme.sh/

[main plover]

Anyone in or near Co-Op City? I’m thinking I can network single hop to City Island, Orchard Beach, Throggs Neck area

[abstract iron]

not sure myself but i believe LilyBX is a node in bronx

(well placed and/or high)

[glossy pine]

We’re in the midst of a medium slow experiment, so check in when you arrive to see what boutique settings we’re on

[abstract iron]

if I were you I'd definitely go to city island just to eat and then try to mesh. outdoor tables

[bronze wren]

This ... no point in being here and staying in just one area since it's so easy to get around.

[abstract iron]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/mhNksZ55axdCgx918

I ate a lot here during covid because you could easily grub outside etc

[jaunty harness]

yeah LilyBX should be reachable, Village of Mamaroneck also had (has?) a node out in the Sound you might be able to hit some of Westchester too.

[jaunty harness]

Isn't there a giant AM tower on the little island north of City Island? Been a looooong time since I was up there but vaguely remember one from high school when we'd pile on a friend's boat and her dad would take us down Sound -> East River for July 4th (and definitely not passing us beers and us passing him joints)

[abstract iron]

heh idk but it's a really interesting place

I mean also this was Covid driving so everything was 20 mins not 3 h of driving so I haven't been recently

but anyway

[abstract iron]

can anyone even mesh around WB? I can see stuff but can't get out

[daring moth]

If by "WB", you're referring to WBY station, then a few months ago I wasn't able to reach any nodes around MIN station, a nearby LIRR station.

[main plover]

Yea, we are not going to stay much in Co-Op. gonna go activate a few POTA parks, perhaps head up to Bridgeport to pay respects to my father

[karmic junco]

I'm trying to interpret what you said.. you mean you guys don't follow the laws?

[wet shard]

This draft pull request is looking for feedback, and people here probably have ideas and opinions, and is related to switching presets in a more automated (but opt-in) fashion. https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/pull/7183#issuecomment-3071635305

[abstract iron]

Williamsburg

[jaunty harness]

hehe i still have the tab open, some of it was going over my head initially but erayd has a lot of awesome ideas that have come out from NZ Mesh (like ROUTER_LATE)

[jaunty harness]

all about hitting the downtown brooklyn nodes since there's only really P1NY and 🪟 north

[shy saffron]

Is there any initiatives in connecting NYC vertically?

[daring moth]

At one point there was a node at 1 WTC. I'm not sure if it's still operational.

[abstract iron]

dkTower I think?

[jaunty harness]

dkTower is ~85th flr of 1WTC, 🦒 was the one on ~100th flr, there's also one at 4WTC but I'm not sure what floor

[karmic junco]

Vertically as in the latitude meaning or in the vertical integration point of view?

[median gate]

Which side of the building? I’ve got perfect line of sight to the south and west faces but never seem to hear dkTower directly

[amber edge]

Based off the connected graph of nodes my guess would be uptown facing but I'm curious too

[shy saffron]

Going up and down Manhattan.

Or adjacent to it.

[karmic junco]

Harlem relay has the north area

A bit dead in the middle of central park

[daring moth]

Elevation or latitude?

[amber edge]

Latitude

[jaunty harness]

🦒 was S/W to help cover NJ, would also guess dkTower is East facing from being able to hit it consistantly, unsure on 4WTC

[median gate]

Must be, because this is what my weather cam sees and the node antenna is a few feet above it

[shy saffron]

Latitude

[median gate]

The Hoboken CERT team used to have a repeater at the Doric apartments which are up on the hill west of it, but I think they lost access. Too bad because it would’ve provided great coverage of midtown and lower from the west

They definitely would have been open to sponsoring a node or two

[ashen venture]

I think accurate lightning detection depends on overhead satellite and other complex tech that can provide precision lat/lon of the strike. I'm not very spun up on the tech. if there's a module I could throw on my radios that would detect strikes within a 10km radius or something, I'd totally start adding that.

[ashen venture]

I personally don't MQTT because I don't want to make it easier to feed into surveillance platforms.

[ashen venture]

Yeah I'm up in the Cold Spring area

[ashen venture]

I've tried the IAQ modules with the solar builds and tried to add ad-hoc airflow. It's not great. Need to print a proper casing for it that would expose the sensor

[jaunty harness]

https://hackaday.com/2018/03/22/an-introduction-to-storm-detector-modules/ works over spi or i2c, but you'd have to write the meshtastic integration

[ashen venture]

On the other hand, mesh can range 10-20km easily and you don't really care aboutl lightning further away

[ashen venture]

Probably could get it to work with a pi0 and just interface with python via meshtasticd

[jaunty harness]

yeah, would be super awesome as a native i2c integration though (not every deploy is an SBC)

[ashen venture]

This is fantastic, great link. Definitely want to play with this

[jaunty harness]

heh your timing is excellent - was talking with buddy in Austin last night about lightning* mitigation and we ended up on detection and i dug that up

[ashen venture]

I haven't done much i2c dev so I'd want to play with it on easy mode first in python. writing support into the main meshtastic project would be a great follow-on

[jaunty harness]

ahhh, seems like mostly you just use the arduino library and then write a module to deal with the data like temp sensors, or that one impossible to find i2c radiation detector someone added

would def be cool to see as a storm rolls through there's a string of messages from nodes mirroring its path

[median gate]

I wonder how accurate lightning triangulation could be, with a sufficient array of scattered sensors

[karmic junco]

I dare someone to
Big metal pole works wonders

[ashen venture]

triangulation requires very precise clocks. I was looking at this board via an email from rokland last week but apparently it's sold out: https://store.rokland.com/products/rakwireless-wismesh-b1-board?variant=42460644016211

I was curious how hard it is to DF mesh radios and wanted to see if I could use a cluster of radios on a private channel to DF an arbitrary node. You need very precise clocks, and certain GPS modules can provide that.

[jaunty harness]

I have two of em, it’s the same old solid rak4631 core

The seeed kits would be cheapest way to slap something together though

Since 3 wio kits is one RAK 😀

[jaunty harness]

Or deploy in NYC and let the skyscrapers do it for us

[ashen venture]

I think the GPS module is new. RAK12501. Although looking at pricing, I wonder if the 12500 might be better since it's the more expensive module

But the update rate makes me think that you won't have access to the GPS clock over the module bus and all that is done internally on the GPS moudle

[abstract iron]

I get the weirdest prop on MS. Prospect A031 up here but 4 hops. can't TR so don't know how

[jaunty harness]

I was getting one hop last night, the downtown Brooklyn corridor is likeliest hop and then either vernon2 or one of the pony expresses?

[jaunty harness]

what happens if we complete a pentagram of propagation 🤔

[abstract iron]

if I get closer to the water like Bedford and 10 or so I can hear p1ny

I have ZLLP in Chelsea today facing uptown

[bronze wren]

Reminded me of this old post from twitter before the site went to shit.

[jaunty harness]

AHAHAHAHAHAAHHA isn't that like Area 53?

[pale pilot]

did some "essential" node go down recently? Out in kew gardens and my connection count has gone from a constant 40-50 down to just 2 or 3.

[jaunty harness]

We've been testing non-LF presets, currently on MediumSlow/Slot52

[pale pilot]

will try to keep up with this chat more often in that case 🙂

[jaunty harness]

actually it's almost dead on for Bushwick Collective / Jefferson St station

[daring moth]

Or check https://nyme.sh/ for updates.

[pale pilot]

would love an RSS feed of updates. much easier to keep track of that way

[daring moth]

Maybe find a way to convert https://github.com/MeshNY/meshny.github.io/deployments into RSS?

[pale pilot]

https://github.com/MeshNY/meshny.github.io/commits/main.atom
perfect thanks.

[frail grotto]

Yeah I wish I could hit Williamsburg better but I don't have any access closer

[jaunty harness]

3 direct right now 😄

that's like right around where it'll sometimes be direct, sometimes need to hop cause something else heard/relayed a complete packet to my end

[twin root]

this one got cooked in the enclosure and died 😦

[frail grotto]

P3 is on a roof of a 23 floor building

[fervent nebula]

looks like I'm going to be back on site tomorrow at SST, packing up some new antennas and bringing my hackrf to do some signals exploration to see if I can find out why my xmit sucks now

[jaunty harness]

heh if it >10 years ago when I worked on bway between spring and houston ... probably wouldn't hit it as well as I currently do 😄

[dapper jewel]

Is this still the configuration? Mesh has been dead in Williamsburg since July. Feeling like Will Smith out here.

[jaunty harness]

Haha yeah we basically started testing non-LF around July 4th - and a bunch of us are in williamsburg - if you change your lora preset -> mediumslow you'll find some familiar nodes

[frail grotto]

Would it be beneficial to Williamsburg if I changed the antenna on P1NY to Alfa antenna?

[jaunty harness]

could be better, could be worse - def like the Alfa 915MHz and Gardener has some that've been donationed for deploys

[amber edge]

whoever runs the P*NY nodes, they seem pretty critical to our mesh infra right now, so great work with them

[frail grotto]

I'll get one an swap it out see if that helps will take a week or 2.

[frail grotto]

It's in my own self interest to have healthy mesh just in case

[jaunty harness]

I have a spare sitting on my desk though you can get them off amazon (be sure it's Alfa's store) or rokland in a few days. also one of my current filter designs but only UFL connectors if you wanna try that, that one is size of microsd so just need ufl-ufl cable (have one to go with filter) to radio and then existing pigtail to the other ufl

[frail grotto]

I'm gonna print the n connector for the harbor breeze I'm using. https://www.printables.com/model/1214804-parametric-harbor-breeze-meshtastic-mounting-arm

[fervent nebula]

I just picked up a couple of the Alfa's off Amzn, they're in my antenna tester pile right now to bring to the site tomorrow 😛

[jaunty harness]

awesome! they're def solid antennas but RF voodoo doesn't mean they're always the best which is why a VNA + realworld tests to validate are the move

[abstract iron]

what are your node IDs?

[abstract iron]

https://www.reddit.com/user/rakstar11/comments/1lzcq6z/rakwireless_turns_11_get_11_off_everything_for_11/

note some sales for their anniversary

[proven grove]

For how much Rak stuff I've bought over the last 18 months, and how much of it is in a drawer right now... i won't be buying anything lol. Not to mention Rak direct's logistics is a complete joke. Once took 2 weeks for them to ship a non-back ordered item. Great products, don't get me wrong. Very high quality. But 0 advancement in terms of newer radios or other technologies. They've perfected the use of the sx1262, but past that... meh. Their boards are amazingly modular, but that increases bulk and cost.

not trying to sound like I'm bashing Rak. I'd suggest it as an outstanding beginner/novice level product for anyone looking to get into Meshtastic. All of my sub-1W nodes are all Rak's. They're great on solar, seriously. Mobiles ok too. But I just feel like some of the newer brands to the marketplace (Seeeeeed) are making leaps and bounds past Rak in terms of pricing and innovation.

(WOW that was much longer than I had anticipated)

[abstract iron]

ZLLP facing uptown in Chelsea if anyone can hit it

doubtful 😂

[mortal wind]

at least RAK and heltec have some production capacity for anyone to jump in. The smaller niche dev board companies are always out of stock.

[fervent nebula]

Steiner Studios Tower !75e19e64 is dead, long live Steiner Studios Tower !62d91cfc.
Added a new antenna, swapped the SX1276 board for an S1262 one, seeing packets from the new radio reported by at least one remote node via mqtt, and our FIRST SUCCESSFUL MediumSlow TRACEROUTE! SST is back online! 😄
SSTL (Steiner Studios Tower LF) !da5af04c also received a new antenna today, we do be cooking over here.

[jaunty harness]

SX1276 in my T-Beam basically fried itself over time, was reporting >50% channel/airtime% when it was actually 15-20%

[daring moth]

IMO, Se³d Studio just prices their hardware so low that they can't keep up with demand.

[fervent nebula]

When you forget to bring the new antenna mounts and all you have for your window install is a pole mount, don't forget you can adapt the box as a makeshift stand!

[fervent nebula]

I haven't been having airtime issues, just couldn't get any packets out over MS for some reason. I realized thanks to bringing my t1000e's with me today that this node still had the SX1276 so I decided to swap it (again) anyway for compatibility once the new antenna was in.

[mortal wind]

I guess people are really tired of the internet lol /s

[jaunty harness]

AH! yeah that's the main reason to ditch SX1276 (until 3.0 which should change the sync word back to default and they can talk to LR1111/LR1121s)

[fervent nebula]

OH THANK BOB. I have a PILE of sx1276's I bought when I first got into this and I didn't want to junk them. Will just leave them on the shelf for now I guess.

[jaunty harness]

hehe you, PX and a lot of others will be happy

[jaunty harness]

Seeed also seems to have stronger APAC presence than RAK, or at least more social media savvy about sharing events they on

[dapper jewel]

0af50b80, I'm not doing anything sophisticated, but I don't see many nodes anymore, maybe a few on when I'm on my roof. I'm by Marcy and Metropolitan.

[mortal wind]

got direct connection

-9.5dB SNR not bad to ZLLP

[jaunty harness]

Height is might with RF more than anything else but yeah you should def be able to pick up those of us in WB also testing MediumSlow (I’m the 🦊 by Grand / Union where everyone’s default fuzzed position ends up)

[dapper jewel]

I used to see you but haven't since I switched over. Maybe I fucked up the config somehow?

[jaunty harness]

Huh certainly possible! Can you share you Lora settings cfg? Might just be need to change the “slot”

(should be 0 if you’re iOS or 52 for android/ webui)

[dapper jewel]

It looks right, not sure what's been up with it

[jaunty harness]

Huh yeah that sure does look right. Other thing would be check your primary channel, it should be named same as the preset MediumSlow (actually maybe it’s Medium_Slow? Have another meeting but can check after if someone else doesn’t chime in)

[dapper jewel]

Yeah it's MediumSlow

[jaunty harness]

k, yeah that does appear to be correct from swapping an unconfigured node to MS and checking the channel name

[severe glen]

the legal power limit for meshtastic in the US is 1W, right? should stationary nodes be deployed as close to that upper limit as possible?

i think that would expand the reach of the mesh. mobile nodes might still have an TX problem if you’re not close enough to one of stationary nodes, but at least they could RX

i think most of us are using something much less than 1W

[daring moth]

It's a combination of the chicken-and-egg situation and FOMO. If only a few nodes have higher transmit power, the asymmetrical packet transmission makes it so if you send a message, you might not be able to receive a response, or vice versa. Traceroutes also become a less reliable metric.

[severe glen]

Higher TX on stationary nodes wouldn’t harm the quality of the mesh though, right? it just means RX on all devices is easier with potentially less hops, but to your point, TX from a distant mobile node won’t be heard unless there is sufficient mobile node coverage in between to hop back to the original sender

[daring moth]

If the vast majority of stationary nodes were switched overnight, yeah you're probably correct.

[jaunty harness]

yeah US legal limit for unlicensed is 30dBm radio + 6dBm antenna for 36 total (and you're allowed to include loss from coax/filters/etc) and yeah there's def inbalance as say a RAK is like 12dBm/.16mW. having been running 1W for a while now it helps but the reality is it's still shouting at the heavy RF absorbing concrete/steel/glass urban environment, just louder (and the concrete/steel/glass is just as unphased and just as happy to absorb)

don't think any of the best placed nodes are running 1W (except maybe feeb's BOKN?) but I think filtering would be the next thing to add rather than just jacking up the xmit power (especially since the 1W stuff has RX sensitivity issues)

[severe glen]

this is a great overview, thanks!

[abstract iron]

got the ZLLP out in WB if anyone can hit it

also ZLLS

[jaunty harness]

just heard position from 1cfc

[jaunty harness]

and your ZLLP msg

[abstract iron]

oh hey nice was it direct or N hop

[jaunty harness]

direct! -8/-100

[daring moth]

Zero hops this time! 🎶
||(parody of the Cha-Cha Slide)||

[abstract iron]

wow

nice!

[glossy pine]

Where’s pizza at

[jaunty harness]

Dallas, for work... and 5 days left on his week ban from this discord 😢

[ashen venture]

I also don't buy directly from them. I just order from rokland

[ashen venture]

I can see N3RO out of SI in 50mi north of the city. I'd bet they're pushing 1W (or higher)

[ashen venture]

self-inflicted ban or did he actually get a temporary ban?

[jaunty harness]

temp ban

and people have done >100 miles with just RAK + 2-3dBi stubby antennas, not 1W needed - just no inteferance

[abstract iron]

is there some other discord or whatever we can be on where whiners can't separate us

i.e. the persons with temp ban power not those with a temp ban

🍕

[jaunty harness]

as much as i enjoy discord i'm not the biggest fan of how fractured some groups are with their separate servers... like austinmesh basically exist in a vaccum on their own server which is pretty poppin' but also miss out on all the stuff happening in all the channels here. but that is also 100% personal opinion/preference.

[glossy pine]

tf lmao

Musta gotten too trigger happy with his pizza emojis

[feral briar]

I'm traveling for a bit, but I can help with Android docs, or whatever is needed for that

DM or ping me if I can help

[abstract iron]

Yeah I'm in a Pennsylvania one that I never end up checking, really

[proven grove]

Flying out of LGA now, got my Ikoka stick, T1000-E, tdeck and F1 (Faketec) on me... I think I under packed...

[glossy pine]

So do we need to make a separate discord to avoid mod tantrums?

[abstract iron]

I guess we need a volunteer(s) to run it

and ban people who supply feedback 😂🍕

glad we have a new comedy trope now that we lost MF

[daring moth]

Or just for better topic separation. All NYC-Meshtastic related discussions occurring in a single chatroom is difficult to keep up with, to say the least.

[jaunty harness]

poll up for 24hrs... i'm down to set it up but wouldn't really have time until tomorrow anyway

[glossy pine]

let’s see if the folks who brought this onto us with their grave decision making about who belongs here have anything to say

[daring moth]

For the folks voting with only 🍕, just remember that it says "Select one or more answers".

[abstract iron]

oh oops I figured pizza meant yes

there we go

[jaunty harness]

heh 🍕 is more "undecided" but also "i'm hungry"

[bronze wren]

I can't keep up with most of my discord servers...

[glossy pine]

I mean it makes no sense to make a new one but if they come around banning our key community members for daring to speak gotta at least consider it

[bronze wren]

Not sure moving solves it but I guess it could make important things and announcements easier.

But if mod issues are more than just a single instance I'd consider it. Is this the first one?

[jaunty harness]

first i'm aware of

[bronze wren]

Might be easier to try and help fix issues here before jumping but I have zero context on the ban.

[pale pilot]

all my homies hate discord. we are just begrudgingly here because of the communities. bring back IRC!

publicly log-able, and searchable since its all just text.

[bronze wren]

If only freenode wasn't bought out.

[amber edge]

it'd be great to have separate channels for different topics, and maybe a channel dedicated to relaying convo from the mesh

[jaunty harness]

still idle on slashnet, and run a discord<->irc bot that bridges it 👴

[dapper jewel]

I would also love to contribute to android docs however I can

Finally got a message out to MediumSlow from North Williamsburg! Seems like MediumSlow is basically nonfunctional now unless I'm on my roof, LongFast seemed (in the days I was playing with it) much more reliable...

[abstract iron]

I think the only other option would be to somehow get our own moderation control for this channel that supersedes server level

but idk if that's possible on discord

[bronze wren]

you can scope moderation permissions but there really isn't a mod override for other mods thing

[fervent nebula]

Got bored for 10 minutes at work, made a discord, who wants to run it with me? https://discord.gg/N5xrksuH9X 😛

[bronze wren]

I'll join but I don't have time to mod.

[karmic junco]

I've never banned anyone

Nor moderated any conversation.

I like the feel of the say what you want when you want.

And we've been mostly civil.

I like it when you guys show your ideas, whether it be development or issues or randomness

It's who you folks are. Most of us are a little crazy, jumping from idea to idea!

And I am not the "move this to general" or "move this to #chat" or something to that effect.

I think if we just keep political views out of our conversations, everything else is pretty good as long as there is some tech relation to what we're doing.

[karmic junco]

Honestly we don't have that much chatter that I can't easily scroll up in the last 8 hours to see what's going on.

I know I personally won't check SUb channels. There are so many sub channels already out there. While we aren't Austin mesh, part of it is our geography. We just can't get signal out to some places. Other than that, I think a lot of the team work really happens when we can read all the dialog that occurs.

Look at the effort to move to MF testing. If we had sub channels, the relationships formed between users would not be as strong, and possibly not have been possible.

And that... Started with a general conversation.

[fervent nebula]

I think the primary benefits I see to having a separate discord are easier sharing/onboarding and the ability to group optional but helpful related notifications like website updates or other webhook content. I don't think there's a downside to having the community exist somewhere other than a sub-thread of the main meshtastic discord. For me, the meshtastic discord is always highlighted as having "new" content. The chance of there being anything in threads I actually care about is 20% or less. Moving these notifications around so that I only see that "new" marker for ny mesh makes it easier to not obsess over checking back constantly.

[daring moth]

#general will still exist in the other Discord.

[karmic junco]

There are literally 50-100 people who are part of this sub channel. However actual active participants are maybe a dozen. as active as these folks are, the sub channels usually die from lack of activity. its like creating file folders for 10 documents. You spend more time opening the folders looking for the file, then if they are all in the root.

I get it though. There are some nice things that could be interesting.

[mortal wind]

There are tons of meshtastic integrations other meshes have on their discord.

[feral briar]

I just opened a PR for new user setup, Android cleanup - comments welcome https://github.com/MeshNY/meshny.github.io/pull/20

[rare sparrow]

Thx for the help

Merged!

[frail grotto]

Was in red hook this morning and afternoon it's another dead zone

[glossy pine]

there should be a way to ping a node and if enough people do it it gets it to change to client mode only if it’s in repeater or router modes

It would open a vulnerability in carefully built networks but in the city it would allow us to democratically choose when not to be forced to use one device as a mandatory hop

[twin root]

I like that idea

[karmic junco]

Redhook is a nightmare. Columbia Street is pretty much sea level. Then add the bqe and the elevated train...

Though... Did anyone try the elevated train platform? That's actually got LOS to manhattan

[karmic junco]

Ddos attack seems like a reasonable potential to that Implimetation.

[twin root]

yeah I mean there have been many instances in older firmware where malformed packets would cause a node to shit itself

im sure around defcon time people will drop some vulns

[jaunty harness]

yeah, last time went to office heard a ton of nodes at Smith/9th

[bronze wren]

I hit that area a lot and it's got some coverage but it's hard to hop the bqe

So it's more Carroll Gardens and Gowanus with nodes.

I used to have line of site over the BQE a couple of years ago but moved.

Would've been an amazing location for a node.

[karmic junco]

Far as I can recall, smith9 overhead is the highest point nearby

[jaunty harness]

yeah though station itself you got the station in the way, the elevated part between there and Carroll though is clear on all sides (aside from the train)

[bronze wren]

Yeah. I lived on 9th for about 6 years.

[bronze wren]

Pizza always triumphs. Going to grab 🍕 to celebrate.

[rare sparrow]

pizza party?

[frail grotto]

https://tenor.com/view/little-caesars-caesar-little-pizza-pizza-pizza-gif-20929511

[proven grove]

[fervent nebula]

https://discord.gg/N5xrksuH9X

[daring moth]

A different invite link is also published on https://nyme.sh/.

[fervent nebula]

This one doesn't expire

[proven grove]

Am I already banned? 🤣🤣🤣

[fervent nebula]

I think discord is just being broken

[proven grove]

I got in from the nyme.sh link thankfully

[fervent nebula]

I wonder if it's because of the "anti-raiding" protection or something

[frail grotto]

Could have been a timed invite they die after a bit

[jaunty harness]

that one is actually non-expiring 🤔

[torpid imp]

Im starting to see tall structures in a new light

An abandoned (maybe) billboard on park ave

[jaunty harness]

haha totally, they're private property so... guerilla node and accept it'll just disappear eventually

[torpid imp]

Thankfully im not that adventurous

[jaunty harness]

the pentagram is almost complete

[maiden thistle]

So who’s going to sit in the center? 😳

[jaunty harness]

Pizza Dude already volunteered 😄

[glossy pine]

i biked through there yesterday and felt my node tingle

[frail grotto]

Hopefully I can get to P1NY tomorrow/ next week to upgrade it

[torpid imp]

Bx on the map

[jaunty harness]

yeah, not sure what happened with Harlem Relay and testing but since switching to CLIENT it helped out a lot with LF

[frail grotto]

P1NY upgraded and raised higher up

[jaunty harness]

love the bokeh going on in 2nd image, cool to steal use for header image on nyme.sh ?

[glossy pine]

Feel like I’ve been to this roof…

[torpid imp]

Im itching to build a node, but my conditions are sub optimal (2nd floor fire escape, over looking trees taller than the building) how badly would this affect the mesh?

[frail grotto]

Where

[glossy pine]

Iono the view jes looks familiar I can’t place it

[frail grotto]

Sure go ahead

This is the trace route from Washington sq

[jaunty harness]

as long as you don't set it to an infra role like REPEATER or ROUTER/ROUTER_CLIENT it shouldn't hurt anything and instead will be just another CLIENT capable of rebroadcasting anything it hears

[torpid imp]

Thanks for that

[dapper jewel]

I've gotten a second T1000-E and tested it - I can hear my own ping (in the same room), so MediumSlow seems like it's functioning - but I have yet to hear any responses from anyone else. Looks like MEDIUM_SLOW makes my place a dead zone.

[jaunty harness]

T1000E can be tricky, mostly cause it has amazing RX but it’s TX doesn’t come close. Another thing is its specific radio chip (LR1110) has issues with older SX1276/8 radios due to a dev choice to use a nonstandard sync word unaware of the consequence, which should be corrected in 3.0. But also a bunch of us in Williamsburg are doing the MS test which also kinda messes with usual mesh results.

I just brought back up a window node on LongFast so you might catch it if you switch back to LF but more likely just carry the T1000E around and see how it does outside - rwlazilla for instance has some insanely good at blocking RF film on his windows and he can’t really hear or be heard through it

[frail grotto]

Can anyone see P1NY atm

[jaunty harness]

Hmm last heard it 4hrs ago, but also rebooted the femtofox to swap filters and that sometimes screws up last heard times / currently active

(rebooted it like 30-45mins ago)

[frail grotto]

Either it died or something happened alright I'll check in a day or 2

[jaunty harness]

hope it can stay up at the new height - was solid SNR/RSSI direct all day that I saw

[jaunty harness]

so... it's stats / monitoring like mqtt, but without mqtt cause its from the rf side https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1397001012023398440

[abstract iron]

is there a way to put /topic See us on nyme.sh discord or something in here?

[frail grotto]

P1NY reset if it goes down again I'm gonna have to take it back and firmware erase and reset it.

[jaunty harness]

need someone with admin privs

[midnight mural]

Pizza?

[glossy pine]

🍕

[frail grotto]

[glossy pine]

There’s a new test beginning of LongFast on frequency slot 24. We are thinking to name the primary channel to nyme.sh so that the software doesnt auto set the frequency to the standard. The idea is to experiment with getting the benefits of longfast’s range while still avoiding the old firmware and bad device settings of the default lf

Some people have already switched over for testing purposes so we don’t have a hard date/time for this one at the moment. Probably most of the interested nodes will be switched in the next week

[tight vapor]

various dk nodes shall comply

[glossy pine]

For the Gen pop if you do switch a node over be patient and leave it there if possible even if at first it seems to be no activity. This test will be rolling out over some days

[jaunty harness]

that's channel name nyme.sh / psk AQ== and check your LoRa slot cfg which should be 0 (iOS/macOS) or 24 (Android.. and probably web client?)

[torpid imp]

After seeing the lilygo pager, and the tdeck line, i couldnt help but think of a sidekick style device

Keyboard goes away when you dont need it then SWOOSH "TEST!" SWOOSH "ACK!"

Im not a maker by any stretch and I prefer the look of a "mass market" device over 3d print layer lines so someone some where make this

[jaunty harness]

haha couple people have mentioned wanting to do a sidekick style device even before the lora pager but there's some mechanical engineering magic in the screen slide/swivel

[karmic junco]

I have one

Can I reuse it

Actually. @jaunty harness you think you can.... Make it work?

[jaunty harness]

i mean, just about anything is possible - but something that's more focused on existing pieces like m5stack's cardkb would be expedient

[nimble coyote]

I switched my LF node, B1X, over just now. still have CAS5 on MS 👍

also, picked up a node from Philly 5 days ago on MS in 3 hops, KCZ

[glossy pine]

Amazing

[karmic junco]

there is actually no way to tell whether it was from philly unless you can see the traceroute go toward that direction

[nimble coyote]

oh, interesting. even if it shows up on the map with coordinates?

[nimble coyote]

I couldn't get the traceroute to work either

[jaunty harness]

you can set any lat/lon you want via the python cli, but more often what happens is someone had a gps lock and turned either their gps or node off at certain coords, then next time it powered on it didn't obtain a fresh GPS lock so still thinks the old coords are right

it is also possible however unlikely it was actually in philly and it was a moment of rf magic

[karmic junco]

Yep. User definable

[karmic junco]

I won't hold my breath on that one

[jaunty harness]

It’s only like 100miles, people have done that direct - hence “possible however unlikely”

[karmic junco]

only... meanwhile I cant make it 1 mile

farkin skeeters are nuts this week, I went outside for 5 minutes and I got bitten 3 times

the season battle has begun

[jaunty harness]

invests in mesh commodities

like mesh netting, but also i buy a lot of mesh related stuff 😄

[nimble coyote]

ahh interesting, thanks for the explanation!

[torpid imp]

Hope i didn't spam the MS channel too much this morning.

[frail grotto]

@torpid imp Check nyme.sh we swapped to another test

[glossy pine]

The new test seems to be going very well so far

Def can always use more folks

I’m not sure I’m reaching more folks than before, but don’t have to send messages a few times before they get through the chutil fuzz

[midnight mural]

I’ve hit the Catskills Mesh from Harriman, that’s 60-70 easy

[karmic junco]

top of?

Wouldnt in theory, the default channel on LF but set to slot 24 have the same effect as just simply changing the default LF to slot 24

without having to actually change the channel name

It isn't like the default LF would work on slot 24, as it usually default to 20.

But slot changes are (in my opinion anyhow) easier to change on the floy

fly

[fervent nebula]

Changing the name of channel 0 will automatically change the slot on the default preset
changing the slot manually will leave the reported channel name (for anything that hears mqtt or udp messages) as "LongFast" and may make it difficult for those with multiple nodes to determine if the message is from LF20 or LF24.
If not reporting to mqtt or only using one node, channel name should not affect the use at all when manually selecting the slot instead of using the preset.

[dapper jewel]

I was on MS and am now on the new test parameters. Haven't seen any other nodes or gotten any response to pings since July. Getting lonely.

Do I have to do something with my keys when I switch the modem preset? Is that the issue? I got another device and was having the same issues

[jaunty harness]

we're pretty close 🦊 is ~50ft up

[dapper jewel]

Yeah before July I had no problem seeing 🦊

[jaunty harness]

primary channel name should be nyme.sh / psk AQ==, that should compute to the frequency slot 24 so also check LoRa settings for that, if it's says 0 that's fine because it's not "zero" but "firmware figure out the frequency slot from hash of channel name and PSK" which in this case works out to 24, but also worth forcing your channel to 24

🦊 is my window node and has been in the testing but does seem weird you're not seeing it though RF is fickle and challenging here for sure

[dapper jewel]

I think something has to be up with my config. But I have no idea what it could be. All the parameters seem right. LF, slot 24, key, channel. Anything else I could try?

[jaunty harness]

hrmm, yeah that does sound correct 🤔

did you remember when you saw it before the testing was it a direct connection or was it hopped through other node(s)?

there's also somewhat of a delay, nodes only broadcast periodically but it shouldn't be more than 1-2hrs if the RF is clear

looks like i just sent out a location packet (literally, went out while I was checking when my last one was)

are you _tedks/tks? just heard msg and direct

[dapper jewel]

Yes we are up!

I think I was receiving but not being heard on medium

On my roof waving the t1000 card around over my head

Should I have store and forward on? Sorry am noob

[jaunty harness]

hmm shouldn't matter but I don't use the module myself

[midnight mural]

Near Bald Rocks Lean-to. You can see the cats and Matt from the one spot

[jaunty harness]

rest easy i'm keeping the 🍕 party going down here

[karmic junco]

The t1e is not well known for its transmit capability

[karmic junco]

Also remember that if your receiving, the unit sending may have more optimal conditions of height, antenna, power, etc. like you can see a jumbo jet but they can't see you on the ground.

[torpid imp]

Are you 5b39?

[jaunty harness]

their short name is tks or maybe 0b80 if you haven't heard a NODEINFO packet

[cerulean pawn]

a bit to south from the Prospect Park newbie here
crickets, got only one ack from the roof for a moment
it's my first day tho, and I am not confident in my antenna, gonna swap it soon-ish

[jaunty harness]

welcome! the stock RAK antenna are decent but there's definitely some better options, Gizont is a popular/reliable brand. basically we've had issues with nodes running older firmware/"infra" so have been playing with different presets and currently testing LongFast "slot" 24, which is basically just +1MHz up from default LongFast you're on now

[cerulean pawn]

i got some barely known 5dbi one for starters, looking at ALFA AOA-915-5ACM 5 dbi now

cool, will try the slot 24 tomorrow from the roof again

[jaunty harness]

nice, that Alfa is fantastic though not really 5dbi (more like 3, but that's fine) but it's quite chunky and uses bigger N-Type connector than the SMA/RP-SMA currently on the RAK (I've forgotten what they ship with) so would also need a different pigtail from the antenna to radio

there's info on https://nyme.sh/ about how to reconfigure your node for it, mostly just involves renaming the private primary channel. one thing to keep in mind is NYC is very RF hostile and LoRa in particular works best with line of sight, so roof should def help, especially if you can see downtown Brooklyn where's theres a few in the test.

there's also a great prospect park node but it's currently on MediumSlow as the owner is away for a few days during which we switched to LF24

[cerulean pawn]

downtown is not in my line of sight unfortunately, but can see straight to the north

[jaunty harness]

that should hopefully still work, especially if ProspectPark gets flipped over

[cerulean pawn]

that'd be cool

[jaunty harness]

that's a bit of a historical view but should help you with some idea of where there's nodes (there's also plenty that don't share their location)

[cerulean pawn]

DDG1 should be easy for me to see, and the one behind the Flatbush probably

[jaunty harness]

cdef and c996 might also be reachable as they're up pretty high, but with the different modem preset yeah, you're deafing to each other.

also when looking at antennas be mindful of SMA/RP-SMA connectors, it's really easy to accidentally get the wrong one and while you can get a cheap adaptor with a minor amount of loss it's more ideal to just have something that attachs correctly. Rokland(.com) has a good selection as does muzi.works whereas Amazon can be a bit of a crapshoot.

[cerulean pawn]

yeah, i know about that RP caveat already, thanks

you can never be too mindful tho lol

got my kit from Amazon, next purchase from rockland for sure

you can't even find decent 18650s on amazon, crazy

[jaunty harness]

imrbatteries.com is good as is nitecore’s batteries

[proven grove]

Did anyone get any high flying pings or new nodes this morning, or did I really hit Storm King Mountain from Dobbs Ferry naturally? Sent a tracert but I had moved from the original spot I was in so no response.

[midnight mural]

Pizzzzzzza Partyyyyyyyyy 🍕🎉

[jaunty harness]

nothing down here on the 🦊 but it's also running LF24

[cerulean pawn]

Is nyme.sh mqtt active?

[daring moth]

It should be: https://meshview.nyme.sh/firehose

[cerulean pawn]

Aw my dot showed up
Can't connect to mqtt tho, think I tried whatever settings combination I can think of

[misty gorge]

Looks like AMR1's solar panel is dead.

Was wondering why the battery was at 76 percent. I really thought the battery would take a dump before the solar panel did.

[fervent nebula]

the settings on the https://nyme.sh/ website should be working, when you say you can't connect what happens?

[cerulean pawn]

Yes I used the credentials from there
Meshtastic app doesn't give much info on mqtt connection, but I guess I am supposed to see the nodes pop up if it works

[fervent nebula]

The nyme.sh mqtt server is write-only, you won't see any node info via mqtt. it's just to share your data with the mesh collectors.

The ‘Downlink Enabled’ option will not work with this server by design. We want the mesh to stay in radio

[cerulean pawn]

Ahh that's why

Do you specify the port like this mqtt.nyme.sh:port ?

[fervent nebula]

yes, but port 1883 is the default mqtt port, you can leave it off if you want.

[cerulean pawn]

Ok tried it both ways. But didn't realize I couldn't see the nodes. I can see myself in the nodelist now, so I guess I am online

[cerulean pawn]

And proxy enabled in my case

[fervent nebula]

one trick with meshview is you can view the individual packet reports and see who heard them, just click the little 🔎 (or ✉️ on the Conversations screen) https://meshview.nyme.sh/packet/3624037988

[cerulean pawn]

Thanks

Still new to that all, but will learn quickly

Gotta see the roof now with all 3 antennas I have haha

[jaunty harness]

over 2 years it's surely lost some capacity, but if its still got enough 2 years later to make it through the night then you chose it's capacity very well! also maybe final motivation to replace/upgrade? 😄

[misty gorge]

the battery will likely last days.. hhaha

its the panel that's the problem.

So I have like a few days to replace the panel. It's a soshine panel and I have another one. It connects to the node via a weather proof connector which I need to wire up to the panel.

if I can get motivated, I'll have it fully operational again before the end of the week.

[jaunty harness]

https://tenor.com/bmpSE.gif

[misty gorge]

I already got my spare parts out. I'll assemble tomorrow. Only variable is if center connector was positive or negative.. but why wouldn't I have made it positive?

I'm not a crazy person.

AMR2 is still neglected.. haha

[jaunty harness]

well I for one have missed you during our tests of MF/MS and now LF/24, but if you get them updated and setup remote admin then you could play along too!

[misty gorge]

What have we found!?!?

[jaunty harness]

we're on LF/24 because MF/MS just wasn't cutting it, LF24 seems to be working great w/o the old firmware/ROUTER_CLIENTs. i'm actually playing with some tweaks to bandwidth (62.5 instead of 250) and spread factor (7 instead of 11) which I thought would break things but seems that i'm still able to hear and be heard by others using them (basically trying to cut transmission time down to be closer to MF/MS)

[misty gorge]

is that long fast channel 24?

or is LF24 something new?

[daring moth]

Both.

[daring moth]

In addition to that, the primary channel is renamed to nyme.sh, without changing the PSK from the defaults. You actually only need to do the steps in this message to join, assuming you're already on the LongFast radio preset. It'll automatically change the frequency slot for you.

[jaunty harness]

also we have our own discord now: https://discord.gg/N5xrksuH9X (why we've been A LOT quieter over here)

[misty gorge]

only issue with a non standard system is people coming through or not in the know are excluded from the instrastructure that's actually there.

[cerulean pawn]

No luck on slot 24, completely cutoff from you

[jaunty harness]

Packets are sent on timed intervals + some randomness so they’re very much heard it or didn’t but if you were up there for ~30mins should have heard something

[midnight mural]

Lots of us are already there on LF20, so why not?

[cerulean pawn]

Yeah I cruised around for quite a while and tried 2 antennas

[jaunty harness]

Yeah but the problem is we can’t get reliability on LF20 with noncomminicative infra roles and older fw that are more spammy. I agree we def need to leave something on LF20 broadcasting the change but we’re still just testing

[cerulean pawn]

Isn't the hardware really able to scan through a few, at least 2 different slots, at least listening

[jaunty harness]

If your RAK has a user button and not on 2.7.x firmware you can double tap it to send an adhoc ping and try and get a response from nodes that hear it vs waiting for the timed broadcasts

[misty gorge]

Sure but it was a coordinated thing among a group, right?

seems like it's great for science reasons.. bad for emergency comms

[jaunty harness]

think it’s a limitation of radiolib used by firmware to talk with the radio, lots of things end up cut to fit onto the microcontroller’s resources

[glossy pine]

If there’s an emergency we’ll let you know

[misty gorge]

thanks!

[cerulean pawn]

Am on 2.6 isn't double tap for bootloader thing?

[jaunty harness]

that's the Reset button to put a nRF52840 node in DFU mode

[cerulean pawn]

Ah so it's a different one I don't have ... yet lol

Think I gotta grab an rtl-sdr again to see what's going on around me. Used to have it until I moved

It may help diagnose my situation

[jaunty harness]

i've been super into bandpass filters lately, the GPIO Labs ones is the best $30 I've put into meshtasticd after my first node and have been making custom PCBs to try out a few different parts to find something that's both cheap AND good which has been interesting to learn more about

[midnight mural]

Yes. There are a few locales that are off the default, as like us, it doesn’t work well.

[misty gorge]

I'd be okay if meshtastic changed the default channel for everyone, but a little strange to move the infrastruture away from the masses.

but its good testing.

[amber edge]

This is something you have to do no matter where you go with meshtastic. You can't assume everyone everywhere will be on LF20, unfortunately

[misty gorge]

I thought that was the offical standard and where the meshastic software defaults to on LF.

[amber edge]

Not really the case, no. LF is a safe ish place to start but a lot of communities are not on it

[misty gorge]

my honest fear is all the infrastructure people moving to a standard that normies don't know about.. then there is a problem where the mesh can really help and all the normies are left disconnected from a good established infrastructure.

Oh, I thought when you install meshtastic and tell it you're in the US, it defaults to longfast channel 20.

[amber edge]

That is the default yes but it's not a standard, depending on what you mean by that

LF20 in NYC is not "good established infrastructure"

[misty gorge]

right so lots of people are on LF20 and it "just works"

It was though? w

[amber edge]

Nah not here

[misty gorge]

Cuz nobody was anywhere else?

all the high nodes were on LF20?

[amber edge]

All the old unmaintained nodes are on LF20

Running old firmware with incorrect node types

[misty gorge]

So when did everyone go to LF24?

I'm not a rando and this is the first I've heard of it.

so how many other people are left out?

[amber edge]

Last week

[misty gorge]

Okay.. so looking at the meshtastic timeline..

which is more established?

LF20 or LF24 from last week?

[amber edge]

LF24

[misty gorge]

frm last week?

[amber edge]

See https://nyme.sh

[misty gorge]

yea, I don't see how this makes sense..

if we are talking about general connectivitiy for all.

if you're just trying to make a private mesh.. that's cool.

if you're trying to go for interop with all devices.. it doesn't make senes unless the general standard is officially changed?

[amber edge]

I'm gonna back out of this conversation. You're not approaching it with curiosity and it sounds like you're assuming malice

[misty gorge]

No I am curious.

thats why I say it's good science.

[amber edge]

Hopefully someone else with more patience can help you

[misty gorge]

My point is.. moving the intrastructure away from the general accepted norm is not good for one of the reasons why people want meshtastic.

[misty gorge]

That's fine.. you seem to feel strongly but refuse to correctly rationalize or defend.

not sure you should have chimed in at all.

Like why make stuff up like LF24 is the norm and tell me it was established last week?

when nodes have been up for years on LF20 and lost of people coming through would expect that.

Like don't try to defend your position with made up stuff.. then bounce.. that's silly.

[shy saffron]

To get on nyme.sh mqtt a node has to be connected to the internet?

[amber edge]

Or the device connected to the node, like if it's your phone

That is what the "Proxy to client" MQTT setting is for

[shy saffron]

Ok.

Thanks. Do I have to update the address?

Or keep the custom one?

[amber edge]

https://nyme.sh/setup.html

[shy saffron]

Got it!

[ashen venture]

last jet I saw was 7/28/25 1331 from a jetblue. If you're seeing SKMT it's probably bouncing off of Bull Hill (or maybe there's good LOS to both). Hastings on Hudsno and Dobbs Ferry both seem to get good direct traffic to Bull Hill in Cold Spring.

Someone should cut/paste the convo from like two days ago when someone asked why you switched from LF20 and throw it on the nyme.sh website. That way there isn't a new argument about moving from main presets every so often

Most of this is from porkcube in the new discord

[jaunty harness]

heh that's a good idea, but i also don't mind explaining it (and DMing with Zumble who now understands, and I do share his concerns over abandoning LF20 w/o some sort of regular beacon broadcasting the change so we can continue to grow the mesh and community)