us - NYC metro

[daring moth]

I don't know about Heltec Automation, but Seeed Studio has both a China and US warehouse.

[proven grove]

Heltec does not, unfortunately.

[midnight mural]

it's my favorite color

[proven grove]

To this point, I'd possibly hold out for this when it hits their US warehouse:
https://www.seeedstudio.com/Wio-Tracker-L1-Pro-p-6454.html

[jaunty harness]

I'd also take a look at the Seeed Wio Tracker

JYYYYYYYNX

[proven grove]

Fuck, beat me to the Jinx evennn

[jaunty harness]

heh I see your msg before myne so we're even

but yeah, that's basically the device that was motivation behind the very recent BaseUI redesign in firmware 2.7.x

[midnight mural]

oh noes, it's in my cart!

[proven grove]

I mean, unless you're ok with waiting

[midnight mural]

please, tell me no, I know my WisMesh pocket needs a new battery

[proven grove]

because who knows when they'll release it in the US lol

[proven grove]

Are you seriously asking ME to tell you not to buy a new node? DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO!?

[feral briar]

good info.. thanks - why is the Wio Tracker preferable? Because of the nRF52840? or something else?

[proven grove]

https://tenor.com/view/is-it-gif-20766212

Both the T114 usr nrf52's for MCU's, I guess I just see Seeed as higher quality compared to Heltec.

[midnight mural]

I guess you know that is not available in the US yet? Why do I not see it on the website it is unavailable?

[daring moth]

Screen, extra button, and better antenna. However, the LoRa radio module has some tradeoffs.

[proven grove]

No US warehouse option

[midnight mural]

oh, so will it just take forever?

[south stone]

moving back to LF, no point for me in NJ to be on medfast when I can barely see 1-2 nodes

[glass quest]

Mine was delivered today — and I can say it's performing even better than the RAK4631.

[glass quest]

Hey, did you get the ack I sent for your test message just a bit ago?

[south stone]

ec41?

I got a radio check

[glass quest]

Yes, that's me 🙂

[south stone]

tried running a trace to you but it failed

[glass quest]

So far, I haven’t been able to successfully trace anyone, so I’ve kind of given up. I’m not sure if it has something to do with the iPhone.

[south stone]

sent an ack to ur msg

[glass quest]

I changed some settings — could you try the trace again?

There is 1 hop between us, I think that's why the signal values aren't showing

[radiant lintel]

Morning!

[abstract iron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1lrd02r/recommendations_for_a_roof_node_in_lower/

[mortal wind]

The lack of nodes does not imply MF failed, as there were TRs/Acks happening on the first two days of the test, successfully.

Its a matter of who was on MF at the time than the capacity of the network

[radiant lintel]

o/ on MF in Bay Ridge and I'm not picking up a single node :c

[mortal wind]

and if they were backhauling to MQTT, MF could be faster in response

If they weren't backhauling to MQTT, the process will take much longer for security.

as TX rates are cut in half.

unless the node is stationary

Also, meshview.nyme.sh shows that the nodes are doing some serious work on MF, and is able to exchange info according to MQTT logs.

@amber edge Your node, its on the log!:

[abstract iron]

click the packet counts. would this suggest that the nodes are just passing ambien telemetry rather than human messages? https://meshview.nyme.sh/top?node_id=1977720420 for example

ambient not ambien. that's different

[mortal wind]

If the mesh is able to transmit telemetry/TRs (ex. #1202833898376138752 message), then it’s successful even with all this interference. The problem then lies in capacity.

as MF works best with more nodes than less

On Jul 1, I was successfully able to transmit text messages on Channel 0 through ZLLP and ZLL1 who had a direct connection to BOKN

[amber edge]

most people have not been able to transmit and ACK messages on MF it seems

[amber edge]

true but we don't have that kind of network right now, which is why it's not the right time for it

[normal osprey]

There’s different definitions of success and success criteria. MF has been successful in some ways and failed in others… and that’s ok and what we are trying to figure out here.

Did some messages and TR go through? Success
Can key infra nodes still talk to each other? Failure
Is MF the replacement for LF for the NYC metro area? Failure (or leaning towards failure so far)

[abstract iron]

what I was suggesting was that they might be only passing messages that they are creating themselves, rather than human messages

since few of us can get picked up except a dozen stories up minimum

[mortal wind]

If the problem is about capacity, then it ‘failed’, but the initial acks from the first nodes says that transmission never failed,

[mortal wind]

Unfortunately since it’s a capacity issue and not a functionality one, we would never know until the capacity is there.

[normal osprey]

I don’t think anyone is saying that MF failed to do its duties as a radio preset. It failed in the sense that it’s not a viable replacement for LF in our environment, which is what we are testing for.

[jaunty harness]

Can key infra nodes still talk to each other? Failure more like "are infra nodes even configuring correctly? unknown" because i still have yet to see grandst and vernon whom I normally hit direct on LF, but seeing pony express nodes

also whoever is bleeckr0 / !0c3a9bb0 fix your long name please?

[normal osprey]

I had both nodes show up on my node so seems they were configured correctly but only gardener could confirm that

[mortal wind]

Needs proper configuration to work truly on those nodes. Between moving from East Village, Bushwick, and Parts of crown heights, I was able to reach medfast mesh in different hop paths

[normal osprey]

Also to some people, gardeners nodes not talking to each other anymore might not be a failure criteria. It is to me but i’m just sharing what I see and my opinions.

[jaunty harness]

yeah i'm just putting it out there that something may not be right with their cfg - i've heard gardener's home node 1hopped which would point towards vernon relaying but never hearing vernon is very sus

[amber edge]

i'm looking forward to MediumSlow. i think that's going to be a great sweet spot for us

bumping the poll #1202833898376138752 message

[jaunty harness]

has anyone else seen GrandSt / Vernon2 on MF? I'll hit up gardener later and see if we missed something w/the channel cfg after the swap, still have to re-rewire the electrical panel now that coned fixed their shit

[amber edge]

no to either

[abstract iron]

I have seen them but I was trying to remember if it was an initial burst of activity only or if I saw them in a lasting way in Manhattan

[mortal wind]

if the problem of LF is that there are too many nodes on the network, and the solution is to move that same capacity over to alleviate the problems of over congestion, why would switching to a similar preset that expects that same level of capacity when we did not reach the capacity of LF yet on this preset?

[abstract iron]

grand and Vernon I mean

[normal osprey]

I saw them and received messages from them. grand st isn’t in this screenshot but definitely saw it too.

[abstract iron]

I def don't see grand in just random casual ways while moving around tho. usually grand is easy to see

[amber edge]

mediumslow can handle more capacity than longfast

[normal osprey]

We don’t expect the same capacity. One of the reasons to move to a different preset is so only active nodes move over. We can leave behind all the old fw/misconfigured nodes that no one is monitoring or fixing.

[amber edge]

it looks like you haven't seen those since july 1st. are you sure those aren't left over from longfast?

[mortal wind]

Yeah, I was there to hop

[normal osprey]

That was an old screenshot but it was taken after moving to MF and clearing my nodedb. I’m sure they were on MF but i’m out of town rn so can’t check if I’m still seeing those nodes.

[radiant lintel]

I am seeing the following on meshview.nyme.sh - payload Did not decode

[amber edge]

where is this table from?

[radiant lintel]

https://meshview.nyme.sh/firehose

[abstract iron]

is the amount of TR traffic probably programmatically driven by MeshSense etc and not humans?

[jaunty harness]

I’ve seen a mix of short bursts of people spamming it and the automated ones from MeshSense though MOST people are running with 24hr+ timer so its not so bad but there’s are some letting it run all the time to every node

Even with the “new” default of 90mins it’s still bad, I can see 90 active nodes so that’d be it trying 1 every min

[glass quest]

The image below reflects the current LF setup. I’ve excluded MQTT nodes from the list. Using this same configuration, I couldn’t establish communication even over 2 miles on MF. I’ve seen a maximum of 6 nodes.

[abstract iron]

Just thinking about what our options would be to have range vs chutil %

re: thinking about TR traffic etc

[vagrant nymph]

Just came from the Bay Area where they use Medium Slow. I reset to LongFast, US slot 20, but I don't see any nodes. I'm in the middle of Manhattan

[abstract iron]

A lot of Manhattan nodes might be on MF right now

[vagrant nymph]

Ok I'll try that!

[abstract iron]

Depending on where you are I think you should be able to see P?NY and, if you're near NJ, Hoboken 1W

[amber edge]

We will likely be trialing MS in the next couple days so keep your eyes in the discord

[glass quest]

hoboken 1 w on LF at the moment

[abstract iron]

oh it's back to LF ok

[jaunty harness]

I'm seeing it on MF 🤔

[proven grove]

We need to work on bridging infrastructure so MF/LF blur together. So when people are visiting ny, they won't be on an island, nor those of us that don't live in or around NYC won't have to change channels when we commute in...

[fervent nebula]

no, mqtt records packets transmitted by the mqtt sender, not just recieved. for instance SST there has the most packets because it's throwing location info and telemetry frequently as well as attempting to send a TON of traceroutes. very few if any messages were recieved or acknowledged. MQTT "packets sent" is a terrible metric for success.

[amber edge]

do you know how other meshtastic communities handle this?

[proven grove]

I've only ever experienced Bostons mesh and they were on LF. I think a combo of Pi's with MeshToads or other secondary radios running a bot can achieve this. @jaunty harness and I have been discussing this in DM's recently.

[amber edge]

anyone have strong reservations about us pivoting the trial from MediumFast to MediumSlow on Sunday?

[twin root]

I switched it for like an hour for testing sowwy

Its backj on MF

I am open to MediumSlow

[glass quest]

lets try

[twin root]

I think that is what the Bay Area Mesh uses and they have one of the best, large scale mesh's in the US

I am going on a trip so will switch mine now and leave it till monday

Something that I find interesting with MF is that my NUM_PACKET_RX_BAD is hovering around 60% of packets

where on LF it was around 30-40%

[glass quest]

While I see you quite strongly on LF, I can’t see you at all on MF

[twin root]

That being said what is awesome is my NUM_TX_RELAY_CANCELLED is fucking basically 0 which is a great indicator

yeah ill switch it to Med-slow rn and then yall can do whatever testing

I charged my solar battery so it should stay up while im gone (It operates at a defecit, but takes usually 2-3 weeks to die completley)

[glass quest]

What are you set to right now? MS?

[twin root]

I just right now set it to medium-slow

its rebooting

takes a min since its a femtofox

[winged walrus]

I'm back on the mesh. Are we on medium slow now?

Or medium fast?

[abstract iron]

MF

I give up on MF. Only with a T1E can I hear anything, and I have no range to get anywhere with it.

[short bramble]

lol this is my post! Just found this discord thread

[amber edge]

On that note, and given the results of the polls above, I propose we pivot the trial of MediumFast to MediumSlow on Sunday July 6th. People can move their nodes over beforehand to get the ball rolling, and also so that anyone who switches over on Sunday will already see nodes in the mesh.

How does that sound to everyone?

[whole basalt]

Good idea !

[abstract iron]

I'm about to be on vacation so I'll be playing along when I get back, with whatever everyone learns

Defer to high altitude node owners ===> ___

[brazen spear]

I'm out of town. I can change their configurations from here but can't verify functionality so I'll probably wait til Sunday night or Monday night.

[normal osprey]

Also out of town, back Wednesday and can switch that MF to MS
(gotta get a few last MF jokes in)

[amber edge]

if we agree with the path forward, here's a pull request for updating the website https://github.com/MeshNY/meshny.github.io/pull/12

[midnight mural]

Nice job folks

Up here in downtown Boston on LF and we are meshing 😎

[amber edge]

All my nodes can reliably ack each other again on MediumSlow

[midnight mural]

I’ll switch to Medium Slow when I get home

[abstract iron]

wish this MFer had worked

[amber edge]

Are these the right settings for our MQTT?

unsure about encryption, tls, map reporting, proxy. http://ny.mesh doesn't specify those

[jaunty harness]

i believe it's as easy as changing the host instead of the default mqtt.meshtastic.org

[fervent nebula]

Encryption enabled is fine. That way only shared keys (public ones) will pass into the collectors. JSON output is not used.

[amber edge]

gotcha. i don't see my mqtt messages making it onto the nyme.sh websites which makes me think it's not working

[proven grove]

Bostons mesh was BUSY when I was there back in April

[jaunty harness]

my filter design is not great for LF/906.875 but it is actually quite well tuned for MF/913.875 and MS/914.875 - this is where their super narrow range is basically centered so actually comparable to GPIO Labs for 1/3rd the price. would prefer to test/confirm them in an actual deploy but down to build one for every infra node (still iterating on the connection flexibility, n-type smt edge-connectors are like the entire length of v1 and v2 is U.FL only but for different filters)

they're actually so narrow they might be useful for LF-MF/MS bridge as 906.875 is right below SWR >6

[midnight mural]

Lots of chatting during the fireworks!

@jaunty harness if you need testers….i can help 😇

[fervent nebula]

I'm planning to be running a bridge at SST (or at least an observer on each) would love to help with testing.

[midnight mural]

hello fellow enablers!

I am going to place an order for a Wio Tracker L1 Pro, and a Snap Hook for my SenseCAP T1000 Tracker...what other smol mestastic node should I look at?

I know some of you tinker way more than I do, so looking for opinions on what should tag along on this seedstudio order? I've been starting to think about a cheap and tiny unmonitored node to add to my ADS-B feeders to expand the mesh at friends and family homes.

[amber edge]

Bumping my message yesterday for visibility #1202833898376138752 message

[proven grove]

I'd skip the snap hook in favor of a printed belt clip/holster. you can get a pack of 10 baofeng belt clips on amazon for like 10$, and alley cat has a nice model for it on printables. Even a molle clip

[jaunty harness]

👆 exactly my T1000E setup, the clip off my actual baofeng fit perfect - the random cheap amazon ones needed to dremel the holes to fit though (but also, that's like more time to get out the multitool and change the bit and find a battery with enough charge to run it than enlarge the holes)

[midnight mural]

noted @proven grove & @jaunty harness about the belt clip, I HAD NO IDEA (or forgot lol)

what about any tiny ass nodes from them?

[midnight mural]

https://www.printables.com/model/1262259-t1000-e-cases-with-charger-access

[proven grove]

Ooo never saw this one before.

[proven grove]

Mine had fit fine...

Caroo UV-5R Replacement Belt Clip... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09B3PW5YF

[jaunty harness]

ahh nice! I wasn't too bothered cause reaming the holes a bit so the screws actually fit was easy (and fun!)

[jaunty harness]

can't go wrong with a xiao nRF52840 + WioSX1262 kit but you will need to sort out powering it (either directly via USB or soldering battery connector to the pads on the bototm of the PCB)

[midnight mural]

I would like it connected via USB to power it and serial (use the python cli)

But it’s good to know I can slap a battery on it if I need too.

[jaunty harness]

*if you solder the battery connector 8)

[jaunty harness]

huh, femtofox decided it wanted to get in on union/grand st pos stack... seems like it lost the position_precision for primary channel in my reconfigurationing

while playing with meshtastic i also figured out how to get it to generate QR code in termainl for channel_url (e.g. primary channel cfg + lora settings) which might be the way to do the infra nodes to ensure they have matching settings instead of manually

[frail grotto]

With how difficult it is to communicate with my nodes P1 - P3 prob won't be swapped over to MS until Monday

[midnight mural]

I got that, it’s better than “no MF-ing way” lol

[midnight mural]

I snagged those items I was asking about. Both are shipping from the China warehouse.

Things are continuing to come together. I love it

[abstract iron]

hey MFers I'm headed to the airport. hope to send my last MFing message at around 1130 PM from the sky

[amber edge]

Yes reminder tomorrow is the MediumSlow cutover!

[abstract iron]

unless if there's a different mode to try ...

[amber edge]

#1202833898376138752 message also on https://nyme.sh

[maiden thistle]

I’m at this location. A031 isn’t responding again

[radiant lintel]

I'm on MediumSlow but MQTT on meshview.nyme.sh still shows me as being on MF

[fervent nebula]

Is your node connected to the mqtt server directly? If not it's possible that no packets have been heard on MS for your node yet.

[radiant lintel]

I was on MF before and disconnected the HELTEC from wifi and MQTT. I changed settings to MS yesterday and connected back to MQTT today.

I verified that the HELTEC is on MS freq slot 52 but meshview.nyme.sh shows me as transmitting from MF

[fervent nebula]

what's your nodeID? I can check the mqtt server and make sure you're visible.

[radiant lintel]

!a0cb048c

[fervent nebula]

k, will keep an eye out.

[radiant lintel]

thank you.

[fervent nebula]

I do indeed see !a0cb048c reporting in US/NY/2/e/MediumSlow, so something's up with meshview.

[radiant lintel]

thank you.

one more thing. device_metrics like Power, Utilization etc etc do not show for my device.

[fervent nebula]

I'm seeing a bunch of unable to decode messages for your node, might want to check your channel settings.

[jaunty harness]

huh, that sure does looks right

[radiant lintel]

I think so too

[jaunty harness]

yeah 914.875 in first pic, so odd

[radiant lintel]

im still new to all this and im learning

could it be the antenna?

[fervent nebula]

nah, your messages are definitely hitting the MQTT server, I'm just not sure why they're not being read correctly.

[radiant lintel]

would that also explain why device_metrics are not showing up for my node?

[fervent nebula]

yeah

[radiant lintel]

https://meshview.nyme.sh/packet_list/2697659532

ah

[midnight mural]

it's also not a bad idea to set your frequency slotto 0 (zero) so it uses the preset so you don't have to manually set switching around. I swear that caused me issues, but I think it was just in my head. Not gonna hurt though.

[radiant lintel]

Ok. let me change it to 0 and test things.

i can't change it to 0

[jaunty harness]

52 is right though it should let you use 0 which isn't saying "use slot 0" but telling firmware to use the "default" where it determines the slot from hash of channel name + psk

ios/android def have differing behaviour around that, as does meshtastic python cli annnnd probably the webui

[radiant lintel]

I am on android and it's not allowing to change it to 0. When I do, it changes to 51 or something

I changed it back to 52

[fervent nebula]

I think something about the telemetry failing is what's causing the channel to not update in meshview.

[radiant lintel]

I don't think the Heltec has any of those modules though.

I enabled everything to see what comes through MQTT

I will leave it on MS for now. I ordered a Station G2 yesterday and im waiting for it

[jaunty harness]

oooo nice!

i just got my android out and after fighting it finally got meshtastic connected to a node, what I see when trying to change slot is default (20 cause new device still on LF) and if I try and edit the slot it shows 0 for a default value and won't let me save that vs some other value

also highly recommend GPIO Labs Band Pass Filter which is useful on any node but cav/bandpass filters seem to do especially well with the G2 and that one has a nice wide range covering 902-928MHz unlike some other / cheaper stuff i've been toying with

(not a paid shill, just super happy with it)

[radiant lintel]

thank you

[fervent nebula]

Interesting note since I'm watching the mqtt reports since 22:52... we have 6 nodes reporting on LF, 3 on MS, 0 on MF.

[radiant lintel]

I'm thinking of adding a Pi Zero 2 WH to it. The plan is to mount it on my roof.

[jaunty harness]

we're not really the mqtt type 🤷

if you're thinking pizero2 you should def check out #1329096340700921898

i'll swap over tomorrow, wanna do a cfg reset but preserve the nodedb and play with meshtastic --ch-medslow vs meshastic --set lora.modem_preset MEDIUM_SLOW and see what they do for the channel cfg

[radiant lintel]

very cool

[midnight mural]

I want to get mine going this week 😎the directions are….lacking 🙃

[midnight mural]

What are people using for Femtofox enclosures?

[amber edge]

👋 if you're on MediumFast, today is the day to switch to MediumSlow! i already see a few nodes migrated over 🎉

[jaunty harness]

window fox is in AllAboutJake's FemtoBox, smolfox is in AlleyCat's FemtoCat case but still need to finish wiring up the rotary encoder

[jaunty harness]

i'm about to swap over

swapped both over, waiting on window node to finish updating meshtasticd - problem with generated QR Code for the channel settings... is it also includes the LoRa settings which is good in that they're all setup, bad because it's exactly how I want them which isn't everyone (e.g. mqtt settings all off) 8/

[abstract iron]

I didn't get a chance to drop my last mesh on that MFer but now I'm in Lisbon and can confirm you can Rx/tx LF from planes once you're sub 3000? feet or so. didn't even try hard - just node in backpack

[glass quest]

What’s the farthest distance (in km or miles) from which you’ve sent or received a message?

[midnight mural]

In SoCal - LA to San Diego

[granite jay]

Visiting for the week. Looks like you all are trying MS. How's LF right now? Saturated?

[abstract iron]

Unfortunately, I'm guessing because of security reasons, but the plane "cockpit view" was not accessible at some descent elevation, however I believe that I was sub 3000 feet and within approx 10 minutes of arrival. So this means I can easily get almost a mile LOS with a node casually inside of a backpack, inside the overhead storage, in a plane ...

it lit up immediately and easily on LF

Meanwhile in my destination neighborhood I stuck a solar node outside and I'm just seeing a few here and there. Lisbon is really hilly, though!

[feral briar]

This looks interesting, and ships from NY: https://www.etsy.com/listing/4327009859/magtastic-magsafe-compatible-meshtastic

[jaunty harness]

not so much "saturated" as "burdened" by abandoned legacy firmware devices running infra roles

[midnight mural]

I had good luck there earlier this year

I switched to Medium Slow up here in ManHole

[granite jay]

Ya makes sense. People not updating, using wrong settings. Someone in SF Bay mesh has been spamming telemetry on LF. Won't respond to letters

[jaunty harness]

I've heard some other meshes have actually fox hunted offending nodes and force updated them

[midnight mural]

If you have physical access, you could backup and upgrade people’s shit lol

No problem mon

[severe glen]

hi all. i'm based out of jersey city, and grabbed a WisMesh Pocket v2 as my first device. hoping i can contribute to the network when it arrives in a couple days

[keen geyser]

Is there any point to folks as far north as peekskill participating in the MediumSlow trial that began today?

[midnight mural]

welcome! we are in the middle of a Medium Slow preset test from the default Long Fast preset. Seeing if it is better for us. Time will tell. Enjoy the fun!

speaking of fun and the Medium Slow test, I have my t1e sending the weather out on the default channel on the hour to see if anyone can hear me in ManHole

I'm doubting it, but whatever

[frail grotto]

So by tomorrow we should all has MS

[jaunty harness]

So far I’ve only seen one of Corey’s nodes on MS, but not the food coop which was often direct on LF and MF

Def excited to see the pony expresses swapped along with gardeners, was picking up former fairly consistent last few days on MF

[jaunty harness]

Vernon2 living that MS life

[glossy pine]

For better or worse I get lots of msgs on LF just not always the lots I want

[brazen spear]

Yeah I just switched lilybx, grand, vernon, and Prospect over, along with my home devices. If anyone heard test messages from any of them please let me know. I unfortunately only heard the vernon message

Seems they cannot talk to eachother still 🫠 my test being remote admin ota capability from home. Vernon is quick but can't hit the others.

I'll give this time

[glass quest]

I've been on MS since yesterday, but there's barely anyone around. Somehow SST hears me, but I'm not getting any ACKs

[brazen spear]

Oh perhaps they are talking to eachother

[jaunty harness]

yeah seeing what i can only assume is vernon relaying you and himrod but nothing from the others and with the current telemetry guardrails... well at least the timers are quicker on MF/MS since less busy

[brazen spear]

I heard Bronx 15 mins ago

Didn't get the test message tho

[jaunty harness]

oooo

[feral briar]

I just got the t1000e setup tonight, and I wasn't meshing with anything while on LF, but after switching to MS, it looks like I made a connection into Manhattan
(I'm in SE Astoria)

[amber edge]

I just got a couple messages on MS from grand

[brazen spear]

Nice! After our summer testing period (maybe just one or two more weeks) I guess folks will make a decision but since we don't have a contact list for like more than half of the very good nodes I imagine we'll all transfer back to long fast until there's a good plan for a full migration.

[glass quest]

Hey folks, is anyone picking up my test messages on MS?

[twin root]

Came back from my trip

hoboken aint gettin shit on MS

[jaunty harness]

welcome back! I saw it ~hour ago @ 1hop

[glossy pine]

So long story short it’s a miracle LongFast works at all and maybe if we bring flowers it’ll let us back in the house

[fervent nebula]

I don't think SST was seeing you direct, checking the nodedb I don't have Sunset Park here. From the meshview packet info it looks like this contact may have been published direct by your node (check the topic at the bottom) https://meshview.nyme.sh/packet/2467383053

[torpid imp]

Long Time Lurker, First Time poster here. Just got my T Deck.

[midnight mural]

I don’t think flowers are going to cut it 😉

[midnight mural]

Welcome to the chaos 🙃

[torpid imp]

Thanks for the Pizza Dude 😄

[amber edge]

Not that many nodes have switched over to MS from what I can tell

[mortal wind]

Switched over WRDN to MS. I have my b344 set to MF. I had success with messaging MF, but I have yet to see any updates there.

[feral briar]

I'm in midtown today walking around with the t1000-e on MS, and I'm not seeing any nodes

[amber edge]

According to the map in nyme.sh, most of the nodes that have switched over to MS are in Brooklyn

https://meshview.nyme.sh/map

[feral briar]

I'm near 40th and Madison, do you think I should be able to reach those Brooklyn nodes on MS?

[mortal wind]

Yeah, it should be possible, depending on the switch to MS on other nodes nearby. I’m on 36th and 7th

[fervent nebula]

Since 6:45am today the only nodes reporting MS via MQTT are !75e19e64 "Steiner Studios Tower" (SST); and !15bcec41 "Sunset Park" (ERSN). All the other MS nodes on the map are via radio only.

SST has seen additional direct neighbors that are not "OKtoMQTT" including "GrandSt 351e" (12h ago) and "Hoboken 1 Watt Solar/Stationary" (2h ago).

I'm seeing messages here from !b03cbecc which I am sending Ack to, but I don't know if they're getting out.

Update to previous, while typing I now see !a20cf3e4 "Loelin_WARDEN" (WRDN) on MediumSlow via mqtt since 10:50

[jaunty harness]

yeah replied to becc too but no ack on the ack or seeing your reply

what I'm seeing at the moment, expect things to get better over the day (or week, depending on lordwithpet's schedule) as pony express nodes switch over

i've yet to have a TR work but i'm not even seeing it in the logs of the node i'm TRing from, but I do see it in my CLIENT_MUTE desk node's logs but def different behavior than LF

[fervent nebula]

Agreed, traceroutes seem to be acting differently. I was able to traceroute between 1d00 and SST but nothing else responded.

[jaunty harness]

i thought i had a TR work but it was just Meshsense caching it from LF 😄

[fervent nebula]

I will say just on contacts seen I feel better about MediumSlow than MediumFast, but it still doesn't feel very reliable for actual mesh use.

I'm willing to wait and see what happens with more nodes though.

[feral briar]

I see Leolin on the map, but not on my MS mesh yet

I'm near 35th and 6th now

[mortal wind]

giving it the best possible chance for my message to get through 😩

[fervent nebula]

yeah, loelin is reporting direct via mqtt. I wish meshview would show MQTT direct markers separately from the other reports... I suppose I should look into how to modify the software.

[mortal wind]

at worst, I’m sending info back to MQTT, at best, getting nodeinfo should be faster to anyone nearby my spot

getting node info for 10 or so nodes through MQTT

[fervent nebula]

huh? the mqtt server is write only.

[feral briar]

Are my settings ok?

[mortal wind]

oh my uplink isn’t sending telemetry back to nyme.sh?

[fervent nebula]

your uplink sends data to nyme.sh, but the mqtt server isn't (or shouldn't be) feeding your node anything back. The community here wanted the mqtt service to not be used to link nodes, so I made it write-only.

that's what the the ‘downlink’ option will not work with this server by design. We want the mesh to stay in radio mention is for on the website. any nodes in your nodelist are things you heard on the radio.

[mortal wind]

Oh, I mistaken the direction of data flow in this implementation, as youre correct that Downlink is disabled.

lol

[fervent nebula]

We recommend setting the hops to 3, not 7. The rest looks okay.

[mortal wind]

welp, either or, my position is very ideal in distance, but not in sight.

[feral briar]

Thank you, changing to 3. What is the reason why fewer max hops are better?

[fervent nebula]

sorry, for MedSlow the frequency slot should be 52 (or 0), 60 is default for LongFast

[mortal wind]

lowers congestion for dense mesh networks.

[feral briar]

Oh frequency slot, I haven't read about that yet

[fervent nebula]

https://nyme.sh/ has the current connection details

[jaunty harness]

LF is slot 20, MF is 45 and MS is 52

[feral briar]

Still nothing on the midtown mesh with those settings. I'm heading to Queens.

[fervent nebula]

cool. dunno where I got 60 from 😛

I blame my 1.5hrs of sleep last night

[feral briar]

Maybe a dumb question, but why doesn't the preset change the freq slot setting? ( Or is that what 0 does? )

[jaunty harness]

0 just says use firmware default slot for modem preset, you can see defaults and what freq a slot works out to here https://meshtastic.org/docs/overview/radio-settings/

2 years old today, still works great and getting a pampering of updated firmware and finally fixing the bt UFL connector I ripped off the 4631

[feral briar]

It might be an Android UI bug, but when I try setting freq slot to 0, it jumps back to 60 when I hit enter

[jaunty harness]

Yeah I observed that same behavior the other night, 0 doesn’t actually mean zero but firmware’s default slot for the preset so it’s autofilling the correct value

[midnight mural]

I’m there on MS

[normal osprey]

I thought setting the frequency slot to 0 parses the frequency slot from your channel 0 name. if your channel 0 is default, it’ll set 20 if you’re on LF, 45 if you’re on MF, etc.

If your channel 0 is encrypted, it chooses a random slot based on the name of your channel 0.

At least, that’s my understanding.

[frail grotto]

P2NY and P3NY are on ms

[fervent nebula]

nodeinfo received from p3ny to SST direct!

[frail grotto]

Already better that mf

[fervent nebula]

SNR/RSSI not good, but it was heard.

[mortal wind]

I haven’t received any updates on my end yet, still waiting for node info

I got P1NY and BOKN through MF.

I was able to send and receive messages on Primary on Jul 1, I haven’t got anything yet here in midtown.

[amber edge]

anecdotally, i'm seeing many more MS nodes and better connectivity today. i hope that trend continues

[frail grotto]

P1NY now on ms

[twin root]

Bunch on MS now! 11 nodes online on my end

[mortal wind]

I still haven’t seen anything on my end?

I got access to the mesh before.

[fervent nebula]

which "before"? Long Fast (original), Med Fast (test 1), or Med Slow(now)?

[mortal wind]

MedFast on Jul 1

is ZLLPor ZLLA on MS?

[ashen venture]

We use higher hop count in the hudson valley but it can take 1-3 hops just to get around mountains.

[frail grotto]

P4NY now on ms

That makes 0-4 on ms

[jaunty harness]

don't think i've ever heard Vernon2 so cleanly

[mortal wind]

I haven’t received any responses on my config,

[amber edge]

What's your node name?

[mortal wind]

Is anyone able to see WRDN on the mesh?

[normal osprey]

Just confirmed that if Channel 0 is non-default, setting your frequency slot to 0 does not put you on LF20, MF45, MS52, etc.

It must be explicitly set.

[mortal wind]

It’s explicit to 52. standard, right?

[normal osprey]

Yes, for MS the default slot is 52

[mortal wind]

Yeah, I haven’t received anything all day.

WRDN was able to connect before the preset change, so idk rn.

Was able to connect from ground floor as well on 34th off square

[mortal wind]

do I need new psks?

[mortal wind]

Loelin_WARDEN

[amber edge]

Can you share your node config?

[glass quest]

Hi everyone, although I can see 11 nodes, I haven’t received any ACKs. I’ve sent dozens of test messages but none seem to have gone through. The nodes visible on the map are these:

[torpid imp]

Same here (Im new to this btw)

[glass quest]

Welcome aboard — it’s going to be fun, I’m sure of it! 😊

[glossy pine]

From what I’m reading the Lora preset and channel name have to match for freq 0 to go to correct default

[feral briar]

I've been running MS for a few hours in Astoria, and seeing zero nodes 😴

[normal osprey]

Not necessarily, I leave the channel name blank and the iOS app renames it to “Primary Channel” and 0 frequency slot works fine.

Otherwise, yes you can name it LongFast, MediumFast, etc and it achieves the same thing.

[glossy pine]

Yup, it’ll rename the channel, but at least what I read said that in order for it to correctly set the appropriate default frequency it can check the channel name

[amber edge]

Latest MS activity from bed stuy

[brazen spear]

MS is working pretty good. Too bad it doesn't make the grand-vernon connection but future filtering might make that happen.

[mortal wind]

looking at logs it is an invalid config: I’m unsure on how to export config in iOS but I did export logs confirming the config problems. going to reset again

[amber edge]

MS is working well for me too so far 🤞🏻

[frail grotto]

I got to give it a bit I don't see p1, 2, or 3 from 0 yet

[amber edge]

Is your channel freq set to 0?

There's a line in your logs about invalid 0 value

[midnight mural]

This usb stand took way longer to find than I thought, the perfect MeshStick companion!

[jaunty harness]

different OSs behave differently, iOS/macOS work with a "blank" channel name by default which automagically ends up being named appropriately for the preset. Android wants it to be explicitly named the same as the preset. python-cli is a whole weird mix of both where it defaults to "" if you switch via --ch(preset) BUT you can also force the name to match the preset. it's what happens when you have separate groups of devs working indepently (not siloed... just totally different approaches)

looks like some of the dk nodes also moved over but unsure/haven't heard from dkTower yet

[midnight mural]

So do we leave it at 0 or explicitly set it? If we set it, should that work across all platforms?

I was curious about this the other day, ITS SO CONFUSING

[jaunty harness]

depends! for the name if it's 0 seems it's literally named 0 not LongFast which would be a hash mismatch

vs other parts of the firmware where 0 means "firmware default"

[midnight mural]

I meant do we set the Frequency Channel explicitly

[jaunty harness]

frequency channel, no that should be 0 to use "firmware default" vs channel name where 0 means "zero"

[midnight mural]

My first channel is named “stupid” and is where is sure my gps with all my shit.
“Channel 1” is the default name for the next channel, AQ==, so should that be called Long Fast on iOS?

I’m going to setup my mesh stick tonight from the ground up and I want I setup right for MS

[jaunty harness]

I think Channel 1 isn't the actual name but what it displays because it's channel index 1 (same as Channel 0 shows for primary / index 0). Good way to check is connect usb serial and run meshtastic --info --no-nodes and the last line should be the channel cfg including the explicit name / psk / position precision

e.g. Index 0: PRIMARY psk=default { "psk": "AQ==", "moduleSettings": { "positionPrecision": 13, "isClientMuted": false }, "channelNum": 0, "name": "", "id": 0, "uplinkEnabled": false, "downlinkEnabled": false }

[midnight mural]

this shit is so convoluted lolol

[jaunty harness]

it wouldn't be as fun if it was easy 😄

[midnight mural]

preach

[amber edge]

Big +1 to this. A difficult new (and non new) user experience detracts from the fun for me

[normal osprey]

Since your channel 0 is not the default channel, you should explicitly set your frequency slot to 20, 45, 52… depending on what preset you’re on.

I also keep my channel 0 as a private channel with my nodes for precise location… so i have to set my frequency slot manually.

[midnight mural]

MS52 - are we in a gang? HAHA

[amber edge]

That or multiple sclerosis or Microsoft

[midnight mural]

a pizza gang

[amber edge]

What a selection

[midnight mural]

I hear ya

ok, so maybe my shit will send my hourly weather reports to MS52

[amber edge]

Up to 23 nodes today. Started at like 10

still can't seem to get my main node to MQTT correctly though

(even on longfast)

if anyone has it working please screenshot your settings

[jaunty harness]

vernon2 still coming in strong

[jaunty harness]

check the lora settings > ok to mqtt, then check channel settings> uplink enabled, then also check the mqtt module settings which are mostly defaults but using dracoling's host instead of mqtt.meshtastic.org

[amber edge]

hm yeah i have all that. and the "proxy to client" option enabled too so it sends from my phone

assuming that's what that option does

[jaunty harness]

then i got nothing other than searching #mqtt

[amber edge]

mqtt settings: encryption enabled, tls disabled, json disabled

[midnight mural]

I found one of these on the street, totally works, if anyone need a monitor. The catch, it's in Manhattan

https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/dell-24-monitor-p2422h/apd/210-bbcc/monitors-monitor-accessories

totally free too! DM me

[fervent nebula]

I see AcSa sending MQTT on Medium Slow https://meshview.nyme.sh/packet/2326339182, or do you mean a different node?

[amber edge]

oh cool! glad it's working

nah that's the one

[fervent nebula]

dkTower appears to still be on on LongFast as of 20:06 https://meshview.nyme.sh/packet/2877587672

[jaunty harness]

ahhh gotcha - dkTower would be good to also have in on the test but totally get some nodes aren't easily accessed/re-configured

[frail grotto]

i had to walk and climb to get to each node. they would not listen to swap over.

[jaunty harness]

well your efforts (as well as gardener and corey and dracoling and dk and xam and everyone else helping test) are very much appreciated!

[glossy pine]

I’m trying to make them out of ceramics lmao

And I tried today with a node I built a case for to see how it goes with the usb port and antenna on the same side

[midnight mural]

“Fenway Base” you here?

[midnight mural]

OH MY GOD ITS WORKING

MEDIUM SLOW, people ack’d!!!

[frail grotto]

Can anyone see P2NY

[jaunty harness]

I'm seeing 20nodes atm, sent out `MS 🍕 PARTY" few mins ago just because we needed one

[jaunty harness]

I see mobile + 0,1,3,4 but also 3 nodes w/o full nodeinfo just !userid

[glossy pine]

Got MS DM’s with 🐎 📨

[frail grotto]

352b

[south stone]

just moved over to MedSlow

[fervent nebula]

I've seen everything except 2 from SST.

[frail grotto]

Then it crashed I'll have to check Tomorrow at work

[jaunty harness]

huh, seems like it - 352b isn't one of the partials

[karmic junco]

Good evening folks!

[jaunty harness]

yo!

200MHz bandwidth filter, a little pricey at $16.64/part but also good for up to 7W unlike A LOT of band pass filters

[maiden thistle]

Link?

[shy saffron]

I am up norf in the BX and I see no nodes. I use to see Lily.

[glossy pine]

Starting to get some pretty amazing connects via MS

Just got a DM from inside a courtyard in cobble hill to near fg park

Need to do more testing that I can’t unfortunately do today

have higher hopes for MS than MF from my subjective experience so far

That said, I picked up a Repeater in my TRs and I am dying to know who setup a MS repeater 😂

[jaunty harness]

because it was 0xffffffff? could just be misconfiguration

(far more likely)

[glossy pine]

I’m no expert on interpreting the implications of it saying it’s a Repeater but I didn’t expect it on MS

[shy saffron]

Any idea why I don't see other nodes?

[jaunty harness]

oh huh, yeah that's... ok who's the asshole???

[amber edge]

can you share more information? what preset are you on? where are you in the bronx? were you able to connect to people on longfast? if so whom?

[glossy pine]

You’re probably not in range of anyone else where you’ve got the device positioned. Try experimenting by putting it outside a window or moving somewhere else temporarily to see if you get anything there

[glossy pine]

Is someone trolling us or is there actually someone running a MS repeater that we’ve discovered

[jaunty harness]

unsure but it's def a dick move

[amber edge]

it's possible the app xam is using just maps #ffffff to "repeater", even if it isn't

[glossy pine]

I’m on the ios app

[jaunty harness]

i've seen it show "Unknown" not "Repeater" but I haven't been using iOS heavily for months

[amber edge]

https://github.com/meshtastic/Meshtastic-Apple/blob/9fd6f72b0f6fc28adb7cc7f4765c4fc455944326/Meshtastic/Helpers/BLEManager.swift#L959

node == 4294967295 ? "Repeater" : ...

yep it just says anything that uses #ffffff should be called "Repeater"

(4294967295 is 23^2 − 1)

[shy saffron]

Norwood. I am on MS. I used to connect with other nodes in the BX. The one that always appeared on top of the armory.

[amber edge]

then that node probably hasn't migrated to mediumslow. do you know who operates that node?

[shy saffron]

Nope.

Ha. I just connected to a node.

[amber edge]

which one?

also make sure to turn on Ok to MQTT so we can see bronx ocnnectivity on the map

[glossy pine]

Interesting. it’s still rebroadcasting so does that mean it doesn’t just show as repeater but actually functions as it

[shy saffron]

Himrod Solar2 d2fc

[shy saffron]

Ok

[amber edge]

if you turn on the "Show unknown nodes" do more show up?

[shy saffron]

Where is that option?

[amber edge]

on android it's in a dropdown on the node list screen. i don't know about ios

[shy saffron]

Ok

I am on android

[amber edge]

"Include unknown"

[shy saffron]

Thanks

[amber edge]

curious how many more show up for you, if any

[amber edge]

cool so you're connected to a bunch! you just haven't received their nodeinfo yet with their names, which gets sent every few hours(?)

[shy saffron]

Cool

[amber edge]

i wish they would show unknown by default tbh

@vocal cradle would you be open to switching Harlem Relay from LongFast to MediumSlow?

[mortal wind]

:Ok I’m back in the city: i got both of my nodes this time

switched to MS

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[brazen spear]

Repeater is probably the name of the device...

[twin root]

This just means the hops was unresolved to a nodeid

[frail grotto]

Can anyone see P2NY

[twin root]

Nope let me check my other node

[frail grotto]

I can see nodes but can't communicate

[karmic junco]

Welcome to the pain of meshtastic

[jaunty harness]

yeah that's what I said originally but then xam showed screenshot with "Repeater"

[jaunty harness]

freshly seen and the test msg too

[frail grotto]

Had to reset and reprogram

Thanks porkcube

[jaunty harness]

has anyone seen SST? I've yet to, and used to see easily on LF

[fervent nebula]

I've been sending messages on MS, can't seem to get out.

[jaunty harness]

huh! if airtime/channel util isn't super high I'd guess misconfiguration of some sort (either lora or channel)

[fervent nebula]

I was nearby yesterday and able to send/recieve with my test node, but I'm not seeing any propogation or Acks to my messages.

[jaunty harness]

hrmmm, and tried a good ol' reboot?

otherwise... maybe tx_power / rx_sensitivity boost? it's def odd it's not getting anywhere close to LF unless there's something sitting on 915MHz nearbye (LF being 906.875, MS being 914.875)

but i would expect the interference to be quantifiable in the channel/airtime %

[frail grotto]

Meshview says sst is on

[jaunty harness]

that's via MQTT not RF isn't it?

[fervent nebula]

yeah

I rebooted it several times yesterday, was checking and tuning some different antennas, wanted to make sure it was on my best available for the new freq.

[jaunty harness]

very odd, and sad - it's got great positioning

[fervent nebula]

If it keeps performing poorly I'll probably swap the node out when I pass through on Thurs/Friday.

[karmic junco]

Welp. Medium fast is reaching nobody as. A single node

It is significant though. When the switch over happened I haven't seen anyone since

[jaunty harness]

we're on Medium Slow this week not MF 😄

[karmic junco]

Oh! 😂

[bronze wren]

About to swap to MS on my nodes (I've been busy so I haven't been checking the mesh lately) but it was always quiet over here in Elmhurst so I expect to get nothing.

[jaunty harness]

gardener's home nodes have been popping up here and there, might be able to hop through them

[bronze wren]

🤞

[amber edge]

i think @fast spruce is out in that direction in queens so you might hear some of their stuff. not sure if they're on MS though

[bronze wren]

Last node I'll swap is my current window node (femtofox with a filter)

[karmic junco]

Well nada for me. I need to in configure the other node that's on higher elevation. Sea level sucks!

Anyone notice the rack of towers by Glen oaks?

[jaunty harness]

in maps I can juuuuust squint out on the sign what appears to read "THIS FACILITY IS USED IN (something) AND TRAFFIC CONTROL"

[karmic junco]

I guess it's Air traffic control

But funny it's not register

https://www.city-data.com/towers/cell-Queens-New-York.html

Youd think it would show up as a FCC tower

But it does not

[nimble coyote]

hey everyone! new user here with 2 heltec t114's. in Bushwick today set up on med slow

[jaunty harness]

welcome! should be able to see some others in Bushwick as couple nodes out that way including Vernon2 which is way up high around broadway/myrtle

[karmic junco]

Also..
Diehard 2 scenario then. Lol

[bronze wren]

Vernon 2 was very reliable for me when I lived that direction.

[jaunty harness]

what a view

[karmic junco]

Wait how many antennas you got coming out of that box

[jaunty harness]

that's Gardener's not myne, I just have a pic 8p

[fervent nebula]

moving QMO2 to MedSlow, officially abandoning MF.

[jaunty harness]

have a couple of the NYCMesh roof install pics that i want to use as banner on nyme.sh page

[fervent nebula]

okay, I flipped SST to LF briefly and could see it from QMOD, so xmit isn't broken completely.

it's back on MS now.

[fervent nebula]

yeah, something's definitely fscked with SST on MedSlow, I wonder if it's a xmit offset or something. seeing QMO2 packets making it out there just fine. https://meshview.nyme.sh/packet/1374681975

[bronze wren]

Seems to be that I can receive some traffic but TX doesn't seem to escape this pocket.

[fervent nebula]

THIS FACILITY IS USED IN FAA AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL. LOSS OF HUMAN LIFE MAY RESULT FROM SERVICE INTERRUPTION. ANY PERSON WHO INTERFERES WITH AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL OR DAMAGES OR TRESSPASSES ON THIS PROPERTY WILL BE PROSECUTED UNDER FEDERAL LAW.

[frail grotto]

Is tx enabled

[bronze wren]

Yes. My nodes can message each other find and with reasonable signal

Usually ok 3-4 blocks away.

So whatever nodes are close seem to have poor rx or very good tx.

[bronze wren]

Sounds inviting. I'm sure they wouldn't mind if we put some solar nodes up there. 😝

I need to make friends with my super so I can get proper rooftop access here. It'd massively increase my line of sight.

[fervent nebula]

you should attach them to the tower via drone. They love that kind of thing 😉

[bronze wren]

Ohh. Yeah. FAA loves drones.

[fervent nebula]

Interesting to see that meshview data for MedFast has expired, now only MedSlow and LongFast are visible on the map https://meshview.nyme.sh/map

[fast spruce]

lol

what about a weather baloon

put a cheap node on a weather balloon and send it off

maybey even teather it with fishing wire?

tether

[jaunty harness]

same height cap as kites/drones no?

vs... the ones they release up to space in Poland

[vocal cradle]

Hey! Sure I can make this change tonight! For my own curiosity what's the biggest difference between modes?

[amber edge]

@vocal cradle that's great to hear! thanks for the quick response. at the cost of slightly shorter range, mediumslow is almost twice as fast, and also isn't diluted by nodes running on old versions with problematic configs (which nyc's longfast is)

some other metropolitan mesh groups already made the transition to mediumslow, like the sf bay area

[vocal cradle]

Gotcha, thanks for the explanation! Will do 👍

[severe glen]

anyone able to see ALGY and send me a message? i can see 22 nodes on MS from jersey city, but struggling with TXing messages (and maybe RXing too)

[amber edge]

are you able to traceroute dktower? that's at the WTC which might be close to you

[severe glen]

I can’t see dktower, but I can see P3NY with good signal, no hops (probably bc i’m farther north in JC, closer to hoboken). Trace route sent, no response :/

[amber edge]

can you sahre your lora config for the node?

[severe glen]

how does this look?

[amber edge]

@severe glen make the frequency slot 52, and turn on Ok to MQTT

curious if the 0->52 makes a difference

[jaunty harness]

no on iOS/macOS 0 -> "use the default for the preset" not literal "zero"

[brazen spear]

Your config is fine

[amber edge]

frequency slot being 0 is not fine, based off what @jaunty harness said

[fervent nebula]

what kind of radio are you running?

[severe glen]

just changed both anyway. still no response to trace route to even the nearby hoboken node. i can see a ton of nodes so something is working lol

[severe glen]

RAK 4631

[amber edge]

weird

[fervent nebula]

mm, okay.

[brazen spear]

0 is fine for ios

[brazen spear]

You probably just need more height on your antenna

[amber edge]

oh i read it backwards

[jaunty harness]

huh? I literally said "0" -> "52" on iOS/macOS which interprets is as the modem preset's default slot, not literally "slot 0"

there is no "slot 0" I'm aware of, it's 1-(max slots for preset)

[amber edge]

yeah i misread

[severe glen]

yea, you’re probably right :/ although, i have a direct line of sight to most of manhattan + hoboken rooftops so to your point i might need to play with positioning more

[midnight mural]

Radio projects are fun, kids!

Portable little beast!

I do have a node with me…..nothing yet

[jaunty harness]

looks like you got a case for the meshstick?

or is that just a regular sdr?

[midnight mural]

Adsb exchange one. I’m starting to “mesh” it all together though 🙂

[jaunty harness]

was at 22 nodes earlier, 18 now - let's see how much the rain cuts into MS

[midnight mural]

I see the rain and heard the thunder from Harriman State Park

I can see Manhattan (once the rain clears) but I dunno how low into the city I can see….i can def see the tall buildings

[jaunty harness]

well the rain seems to be helping? 23 nodes currently

[severe glen]

interestingly, a traceroute finally worked during the rain

[jaunty harness]

ooo nice, you got one to work though def interesting path, but that's the for ya

[midnight mural]

I can zoom in the pic and see the city, no connectivity womp womp

[jaunty harness]

That’s where you’d do well with 1W .. to TX at least

[midnight mural]

However, Long Fast is lit lol

[jaunty harness]

I’d even forgive running 7 hops if it made it to Williamsburg 😃

[amber edge]

@midnight mural you can hit the city with long fast from harriman?

[midnight mural]

Switching to 7 hops

“Too close for missiles, switching to guns”

I got a report from the Catskills, FUCK YEA

Anyone get my solo pizza ping?
“🍕”

[frail grotto]

Same weird trace also

[nimble coyote]

I just checked, saw your 7:50 message, and sent a response

[severe glen]

nice, just gave it a thumbs up

[glass quest]

or a Yagi or panel antenna

[severe glen]

interesting. i did it again ~40 min after the first traceroute and was much better

[bronze wren]

Picked up a good number of you on MS while riding through Brooklyn tonight. Still not much luck getting messages out at home and limited RX.

Def some missing links. I guess I need to double down on finding a couple rooftops around here.

[south stone]

switched to MS in NJ yesterday, 0 nodes so far

somehow worse that medfast

[bronze wren]

I will say the gpio bandpass filter was a good addition for my stationary nodes. Recommend it.

[vocal cradle]

Thanks! Done 👍

[jaunty harness]

pretty much LF without the usual stack of imprecise position stacks

would have been nice if one of the astoria nodes could have swapped (looks in zumble's direction) to help connect up across the river

see lilybx and prospect at 2 hops when they show up, on LF its like 3-5

[fervent nebula]

I'm gonna replace SST on Friday, I'm convinced something's wrong with the tuner or transmitter. With all the nodes it can see it's a CRIME that it can't transmit.

[jaunty harness]

yeah somethings def off

[brazen spear]

One thing I'm thinking about when folks design a plan to permanently change nyc's mesh from standard config is to have a list of critical infrastructure nodes, make a list of which ones do/don't have solar/battery, someone maintaining a contact info list for them, and figuring out a way to get them all with atleast a few days of battery backup.

[midnight mural]

In addition to that, do we want to have two sections on our website: NYC and NYS?

That way, the default LF info is there for the state, and whatev for NYC

[feral briar]

Is MQTT the only way to bridge LF to MS? Is it reasonable to have both running at the same time?

[mortal wind]

there are some upstate meshes that have seperate threads here

[daring moth]

A random user on Reddit made a point that we should clarify on https://nyme.sh/ to state why having messages travel far is bad.

…
Also, I'm not sure why they're freaking out about the messages going long distance. Coming from a radio background, you want to go long distance unless you have a specific reason not to. That more or longer is better, barring bad things like congestion or interference. Which may be the case. But they're not saying so. Only that reaching outside of NYC itself is bad, which is weird but very NYC.
– https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1lvgvnz/comment/n261yga/?context=3

[fast spruce]

So far how is medium slow going

For me it's not that great

[daring moth]

From Great Neck, NY, I'm able to reach just as many nodes in zero hops as LongFast. That is to say, exactly one node in zero hops.

[daring moth]

However as I'm using a node with a LR1110, it's probably not TXing anywhere.

[midnight mural]

Do we want to add links to them? It’s nyme.sh not nycme.sh 😉

[daring moth]

The upside is that there are no more Hops Away: ? nodes anymore.

[mortal wind]

Links? I mean seperate forum posts in the server such as https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1292647069256913031 or https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1373826186383196291 although they have not been active for a while now

[fervent nebula]

if you have 2 nodes on the same LAN they can mesh via UDP as well, lower overhead than MQTT if you have the correct network conditions.

[amber edge]

https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1282698033657811105

[daring moth]

I'd recommend carrying two nodes around instead of bridging multiple radio presets. One of the main benefits of an alternate radio preset is avoiding nodes with older firmware.

[midnight mural]

Yeah, that’s what I was talking about

[amber edge]

https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1383046714763509910

https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1361056009061142528

so many threads

does anyone see harlem relay on mediumslow? i see them on the map but my node hasn't picked it up yet

[fervent nebula]

Harlem Relay is submitting packets direct to mqtt; as far as I can tell in a cursory search none of the other reporters have heard it yet on the mesh.

[feral briar]

I'm in Astoria, and saw Harlem Relay last weekend when on was on LF, but I haven't seen it since switching to MS

[fervent nebula]

It seems like there are several nodes having transmit issues on MedSlow. We've had a few folks report they can't get Acks or TRs, I'm wondering if there's some kind of radio issue or interference with part of this channel or if these radios (all seemingly different types) are suffering from a tuning issue, or what this is. I do see that many more nodes appear to be successfully meshing than on MF though, so that's good.

[amber edge]

maybe we could reach out to the bay area mesh discord to see if they've run into this?

we may want to copy some of the text they have here https://bayme.sh/docs/getting-started/recommended-settings/

[jaunty harness]

if you have access to serial console/logs it would def be more useful than blind guesses/changing random settings but i think a look at channel/airtime % is useful indicatation (though not definitive) of interference

[jaunty harness]

the antenna is more the limit than the radio itself (LR11x1 <-> SX127x issues aside)

[midnight mural]

I wonder if the frequency slot is set to 0 and the channel name is wrong. I swear that’s been my issue in the past

[midnight mural]

It looks like they copied some of our text lol

[jaunty harness]

also location, even if imprecise, or at the worse a name clearly indicative of where it's located (which we're actually pretty good on already) and filters along with the batteries (again, happy to provide the filters once i've finalized my design)

[jaunty harness]

there's no Slot 0, it's Slots 1-104 for pretty much everything but SHORT_TURBO (52) and LONG_MEDIUM/SLOW (208) IIRC

can def have an incorrectly named channel named Channel 0 that is a literal zero and not just blank name with channel index 0 - the whole 0 thing def gets head spinning between how different parts of the firmware handle it AND the individual app behaviors

[mortal wind]

it should auto set to 52 on MS

[bronze wren]

It'd be odd to see RX and then have broken TX on the wrong channel for MS.

Best way to test for me is having two nodes I swap and test that I lose contact and then regain as I configure each in close enough proximity that signal issues won't factor in.

I will also compare signal quality before and after. Things seem a bit better on MS gain-wise. Still in a deadzone for TX to the wider mesh though.

Makes me think more people should be using filters.

[jaunty harness]

infra nodes should have filters for sure, and willing to provide 8)

just need don't want to use my initial design which isn't great for LF, good for MF/MS but only if you're default slot (so anyone w/private channel hashing to a different slot could easily land outside of the narrow filtered range, thus being harmful to them)

[normal osprey]

haven’t really looked into filters but might take you up on this

I have the Smorgasburg node that a.li3n built for me and i got a 5.8dBi antenna for. Will be going on my friends 35th floor balcony asap.

[jaunty harness]

i plan to do the PCB with both UFL and SMA connectors so it's flexible to implement but the ufl only version is def tiny and should fit inside an existing enclosure vs the SMA connector being more inline with the existing antenna connection but better for indoor use

ufl only is the size of an micro SD card

[normal osprey]

I think we’ve got room

[jaunty harness]

should be able to fit 8)

I have one built I wanna swap for the GPIO Labs and get some MS time on it since it's been fine on the bench but should be good to go.

the GPIO Labs one is def great though for $30, only issue i've heard so far is a.li3n managed to kill one ... somehow (my theory: he's too powerful of a power user)

[amber edge]

Anyone know who N4RA is? Looks like they're still talking on MediumFast

Via https://meshview.nyme.sh/chat

[jaunty harness]

Possibly Nara?

[amber edge]

@radiant lintel ?

[daring moth]

It could also be the few people who saw my Facebook post but refuse to join this Discord and/or regularly check https://nyme.sh/ for changes. I did edit my Facebook post to say that it's outdated, but didn't make a new one regarding MediumSlow specifically.

[radiant lintel]

Here

[daring moth]

Do you run a node with the short name N4RA?

[radiant lintel]

Yes

[midnight mural]

This is what I mean. I have never seen a default channel name say “Long Fast” so I have to use the number, 0 doesn’t work on iOS.

[daring moth]

Please look over the latest additions to the https://nyme.sh/ webpage.

[radiant lintel]

Ok

[jaunty harness]

yeah iOS/macOS should be "blank" (e.g. no value at all) for it to default to the modem preset (e.g. LongFast), otherwise I think you can explicitly name it LongFast (or MediumSlow) - the 0 is the channel index not the channel name which is opposite behavior from Android where it's the actual preset name (e.g. MediumSlow)

just one of the many meshtastic mysteries it takes a group of people to figure out 😄

[midnight mural]

IT DRIVES ME CRAZY

[fervent nebula]

anyone have a simple parser for the channel url string to verify that the settings are correct? I love the convenience of sharing, I hate the obfuscation of settings.

[radiant lintel]

I switched to MediumSlow 52 now however, I'm currently not near any Wifi so I'm not on MQTT.

[jaunty harness]

i haven't seen one but there's definitely patterns i've noticed between similar but not exactly the same configs, might be able to reverse engineer it from the code if someone is up to try

otherwise you can do meshtastic --info --no-nodes and the last lines are the channel cfgs include name, psk and index

[daring moth]

Currently, we predominantly use MQTT for generating maps and collecting statistics on Meshtastic nodes in and around NYC.

[jaunty harness]

other thing you can do is setup one fresh/exactly how you want for channel AND lora cfg, then generate QR code via meshtastic to have something to match settings for the mobile apps, but if you're already using meshtastic you could also just get the channel_url from --export-config , remove everything but the channel_url and then feed it back into other nodes also via meshtastic and --config channel_url.yaml

(probably a few other ways i'm not thinking of right now)

[fervent nebula]

perfect, that's exactly what I wanted.

Channels:
  Index 0: PRIMARY psk=default { "psk": "AQ==", "uplinkEnabled": true, "moduleSettings": { "positionPrecision": 32, "isClientMuted": false }, "channelNum": 0, "name": "", "id": 0, "downlinkEnabled": false }

yeah, so it's definitely not some weird channel setting.

[jaunty harness]

yeah name and PSK sure look right

[fast spruce]

Just arrived

2 meshpockets 10kmahs

Never gonna run out of battery again

[jaunty harness]

if channel_url didn't also include LoRa settings it'd be more useful to ensure matching channels but because it can include like "oktomqtt" which is a personal choice it's not as useful *as a one-size-fits-all solution

[radiant lintel]

cute

[normal osprey]

To make things even more complicated, when you set channel 0 to LongFast (no space) on iOS, it shows up as Long Fast (with a space) in the channel list.

Frequency Slot 0 works for me if channel 0 is either blank or LongFast, etc

[midnight mural]

This is the cluster fuck that keeps on clustering

[amber edge]

Should we surface this to the devs? Or are they already aware of it

[feral briar]

I've seen many UI bugs in the apps. I wish there was a way to just dump a complete config file, review/edit, and upload. Is this possible (without serial)

[fervent nebula]

meshtastic cli/python client can do this using the --export-config and --configure flags, the exception here being the channel settings are obscured by the channel url thing, but you can get the channel url from any of the clients or another working node https://meshtastic.org/docs/software/python/cli/#--export-config

[jaunty harness]

note: --export-config dumps do include the channel_url, but it's channel configuration AND lora settings

android I thought had a way to backup config from a node directly, which iOS def lacks

[amber edge]

Yes there's a config export button on Android

[jaunty harness]

oooo it even has import now!!

[amber edge]

@vocal cradle sadly no one's been able to hear Harlem Relay since it migrated over to MS which seems odd considering its great placement. when you have a moment can you check the config and ensure the frequency channel is set to 52?

[glossy pine]

I am getting pretty amazing TRs and acks on MS, gonna do some warbiking today to further test

[vocal cradle]

Odd, I think the channel is set to 52:

[jaunty harness]

that sure looks right... maybe it's the channel cfg?

[amber edge]

yeah that all looks right

what could be wrong in the channel config?

[feral briar]

I'll be in the north western part of astoria near the water later today with my t1000e, and I'll report back if I can see the harlem relay

[daring moth]

Received at Great Neck, NY:

[midnight mural]

How do they not already know that, they wrote it?

[amber edge]

there's multiple devs and they might not be aligned in how they design this stuff

[midnight mural]

That’s pretty clear at this point

So we need instructions for all of the OS’s, for all the configuring, backing up and restoring…..if only this was already documented

[fervent nebula]

this is how open source works, you can write up the docs and give them to the project. it's yet another way to support the goal of spreading it to more people and making available as widely as possible.

[midnight mural]

I swear I’m being molded to be a tech writer one day

[jaunty harness]

They’re aware but it is different devs as you surmised. Android for instance getting tons of love lately vs iOS which is much smaller iterations. Docs def need some love as meshtastic is rapidly evolving still and tons of things missing (eg meshtastic cli options vs what’s in the docs has drifted)

[midnight mural]

Well, I’ll start writing stuff up this week for us, we can go from there

[twin root]

Which specific GPIO labs product? I had issues with one of their 915 boards due to it not being able to handle the input from the rak.

[jaunty harness]

https://gpio.com/collections/filters/products/915-mhz-ism-band-pass-bandpass-filter-with-26-mhz-bandwidth is the one I've* been rocking on femtofox

[twin root]

Ty

Yeah I friend a different one

I am using one of the acasom cavity filters on my roof. Decreased everything by only half a db but my bad packet Rx dropped by 20%

[midnight mural]

Basic outline of info
Applications:
Android
iOS
Linux
MUI
PythonCLI
webclient

each application then needs a section for:
configure
backup
restore
misc

[jaunty harness]

ahh nice, I have an airframes cav filter a buddy lent and it's phenomal... if you only care about 906.875MHz, private channels are filtered right out. https://www.minicircuits.com/WebStore/dashboard.html?model=SYBP-92%2B is what i'm using for my own design, good for up to 7W, but waiting on ufl-ufl cables to show up to swap out the GPIO Labs

Airframes cavity filter

[midnight mural]

I also need to start using my VNA

[jaunty harness]

yeah you do, they're fun! and help verify your gear is doing what's its supposed to. Also I pretty much only know how to use myne to measure SWR 😄

[fast spruce]

the antenna is soooooo much better on the meshpocket than the t1000e

[whole basalt]

That's me at Central Park!

[jaunty harness]

that was LF or MS? 1 hop from Central Park is pretty darn good!

[daring moth]

MS

My only direct node is LilyBX.

[jaunty harness]

oh nice, well for you to RX - TX is probably not happening unless you're up high

[daring moth]

I just turned on my T-Deck Plus and the regular broadcasts from LilyBX required an extra hop to reach it. Presumably it hopped through my T1000-E.

[daring moth]

(both of my nodes are currently set to the CLIENT role)

[ashen venture]

The primary problem is not that messages reach 50mi + north of the city. It's the risk that it will saturate the channel with nothing but beacons that far north, and it's one-way traffic (noise floor in the city is too high to get replies). To date, it hasn't been too much of an issue on the Bull Hill solar unit in Cold Spring though.

[ashen venture]

I saw your traffic last night. I recently made contact with the catskills folks. They keep their hops at 7 count, which is reasonable for the terrain. With 7 hops I can get full traces 40-50 miles.

Their website is https://kmesh.us/

[midnight mural]

I was chatting with 2-3 folks last night from Harriman as I could literally see Slide Mtn and Manhattan behind me.

I really need some stealth infra nodes 😇

[ashen venture]

Harbor Breeze solar units + 3d print with heat inset + game camera tree mount

[midnight mural]

My Guy 😎

[ashen venture]

If you just want something off the shelf, the atlavox beacon is 🔥 but pricey

[mortal wind]

Here’s my config on b344 on MS:

I’m not getting any acks

[daring moth]

Did you get any NACKs?

[mortal wind]

lol negated acknologements.

tbh I’m not sure what NACKs are, but i’m down to find out

[daring moth]

According to Wikipedia:

a negative-acknowledgement (NAK or NACK) is a signal that is sent to reject a previously received message or to indicate some kind of error.

[midnight mural]

Good to know, thank you 😎

[mortal wind]

ah yes, then ah those happened only once my psks were mismatched to the mesh.

[midnight mural]

On iOS, set your Frequency Slot to 52, UNLESS your channel name is set to MEDIUM_SLOW or whatever it’s supposed to be

[mortal wind]

set to 52 man, WRDN got it of course, but I’m waiting until I get a direct connection

[midnight mural]

You weren’t

That I think has been my struggle since the iOS default channel is “Channel 0”

So FS 0 no worky

[mortal wind]

I reset channel to defaults since the MF switch. Channel Name is blank, with default AQ== key

[midnight mural]

And it seems like you should then make FS 52, as 0 won’t work

Your default channel name is blank as you said

[mortal wind]

Its set (#1202833898376138752 message) on b344 now, but I had it already set to FS 52 man on WRDN.

[midnight mural]

Word. I’m realizing man !=dude; man=manually
🙃

If this Meahtastic thing was easy, none of us would be monkeying with it haha

[mortal wind]

Which Is why I’m surprised by my experience between MF and MS. Does MS preset TX/RX in slower intervals than MF?

[midnight mural]

Coming back to the city meow, going to switch PDD from LF to MS

[fast spruce]

Anyway to stop the new node messages on android

[severe glen]

has anyone heard of AC power sources interfering with RX/TX?

im not sure if it’s just a coincidence yet, but i suspect my RAK4631 struggles with TX/RX when plugged into a AC mains power via an anker charger block

[feral briar]

I read some advice to use a usb-c to usb-a cable (the older square style) - because the voltage regulation isn't great on some smaller boards, and the USB-C cable pushes too much current

[midnight mural]

I'm going with coincidence

unless it's super sketchy mains, power supply and cable

For completeness, id also say unless your RAK is funky

[frail grotto]

All my nodes are harbor breeze solar with quick remove pole connectors

[midnight mural]

I cooked mine in a window in the sun a few times too many. I’ll know when I get a new one if it’s in my head or not.

[midnight mural]

I was peeking at the seed studio solar setup, you are now person #2 to bring those up

[frail grotto]

Quick easy and just need to replace a battery

Mild solder skills

[jaunty harness]

the seeed solar is apparently not actually fully water-sealed

[frail grotto]

This arm https://www.printables.com/model/886187-harbor-breeze-meshtastic-mount

This pole connector https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6849930

[jaunty harness]

i haven't had issues with either of my RAKs plugged into a charger, but the usb-a -> usb-c thing def is issue on certain hw (like Heltec v3)

[frail grotto]

And this is you use a n type https://www.printables.com/model/1214804-parametric-harbor-breeze-meshtastic-mounting-arm @midnight mural

[midnight mural]

Sigh, I was hoping it would be legit to slap on the roof rack of the car

[jaunty harness]

seems the original poster deleted their message but there's some talk in #solar-power about it [here](#solar-power message)

[midnight mural]

I just blasted MS52 from the east river

[severe glen]

i did add a ferrite core to my usb-a to usb-c cable just in case lol

[jaunty harness]

heh yeah it won't hurt! and fwiw: have been able to see ALGY node throughout the day

[midnight mural]

https://github.com/PizzaDeliveryDude/meshny.github.io/blob/main/docs/setup.md

assuming people can see the outline of what we will document for the software setup.......if so, thoughts? I just copy/pasta'd from the .org the software they have

[midnight mural]

Once all of the config stuff is off the main page, we can organize all of the info better, AND add a section for the rest of New York. 😎

[fast spruce]

My rooftop nodes keep going offline

Should I remove the batterys so I can just remote Poe cycle them

Because this is getting annoying

[jaunty harness]

They’re all dying randomly?? That’s pretty odd - can you put any of them on wifi and feed rsyslog listener to get some idea why?

[amber edge]

Are they dying during the day? Heat?

[ashen venture]

I had that connector snap on me when I tried it and ended up using one of the different mounts I found in the remixes.

[midnight mural]

I reorganized the index.md and created setup.md

Setup.md is going to be where you find all of your setup information, including documentation links and software setup
Index.md had information head to setup.md, so that was removed and added more local groups in New York.

https://github.com/PizzaDeliveryDude/meshny.github.io/blob/main/docs/index.md
https://github.com/PizzaDeliveryDude/meshny.github.io/blob/main/docs/setup.md

Going to submit a pull request before bed, hope I made the links in index.md to correctly go to https://nyme.sh/setup.html

[fast spruce]

Ok

For some reason

My heltec meshpocket only got 8 nodes today

My t1e got like 100 on its first day

Wtf

And I drove around a lot today

I was on long fast

I thought more pple on it still

Is everyone alr on the new freq whatever it is

[frail grotto]

i use the pipe connector and a clamp work great

[jaunty harness]

not everyone is on MediumSlow but mesh is dynamic, just because you heard nodes at 3:21pm one day doesn't mean you'll hear them same time next day

[normal osprey]

Just got back from Canada and moved Smorgasburg fa5a to MS. Also enabled MQTT.

[median gate]

My rooftop node has also been crapping out on hot days and needs power cycling. I just moved it to a shady part of the roof that also lets me raise the antenna a couple feet, but now I need to figure out solar. Or maybe just give up on solar and mains power or POE it

[fast spruce]

Is something wrong with my settings

I can't see a single node

Not even the nodes on my desk that I put on medium slow

[midnight mural]

Looks good, have you double checked the other nodes set to MS52?

[fast spruce]

Yes

I can't see them tho

[jaunty harness]

Huh, lora cfg looks fine, and the channel cfg also match?

[midnight mural]

https://github.com/pdxlocations/contact

this is cool, I’ve been wanting to be able to easily check into my home node from afar

[fervent nebula]

I've been using this for a little while now, I've seen with long-running sessions (especially on our mesh) I occasionally get UI bugs like artifacted text and layout issues, but as a quick checkin tool it works really well. Also useful as a configuration tool.

[midnight mural]

I like the idea of the MUI on Linux, but I need that remotely and I think this will work.

I need to get a better handle on venv’s for python

[jaunty harness]

yeah pdxlocs also broke out the configuration parts to its own python app but contacts is aweseome (as is mudp, just don't bother trying to install on a luckfox)

[fervent nebula]

I end up setting up direnv for some stuff so that the venv automatically activates (I'm too lazy/busy to remember to type source .venv/bin/activate when I go to the folder)

[feral briar]

I prefer UV over all the older virtualenv pipx stuff

https://github.com/astral-sh/uv

[midnight mural]

I like those suggestions, I will check those out, thank you 😎

[feral briar]

https://docs.astral.sh/uv/guides/tools/#installing-tools

[jaunty harness]

I know in Austin they use CoolFilm on their solar installs to help manage with heat, apparently you can get enclosures pretreated / already applied

[mortal wind]

b344 back in midtown today. no acks yet

I’m curious to see a working mesh node config, I could just very well be misconfigured because of this:

Change your LoRa preset
Meshtastic App > Settings > LoRa > Medium Range - Slow or MEDIUM_SLOW
Make sure Frequency Slot is set to 52 (or 0 if your channel name is “Medium Slow”)

I don’t have the actual channel name, just blank.

but I set FS to 52

[midnight mural]

Yeah, the apps all configure differently

[mortal wind]

The question is, is the working channel name “Medium Slow” or is it blank?

[midnight mural]

Depends

If you have the channel named the preset, you can use 0 as your frequency slot, otherwise, 52

[daring moth]

If you're following the instructions on https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/tips/#creating-a-private-primary-with-default-secondary, then it's MediumSlow. Otherwise, it's either. A primary channel name of blank usually defaults to the radio preset name.

[mortal wind]

I am currently attempting the Blank, manual 52 pair. I’m going to switch it to MediumSlow 0 pair to see if anything changes.

[daring moth]

If you've altered it before, make sure the shared secret for the channel is the default value as well.

[mortal wind]

Yes, AQ==

still no acks yet

[fervent nebula]

As far as I can tell if you are RECIEVING packets from MediumSlow your channel configuration is (likely) not wrong. Some devices are (apparently) still having trouble being heard TRANSMITTING on MediumSlow, and this could be down to antenna problems, device offset requirements, or other hard to troubleshoot things. I have yet to hear of anyone having TRANSMIT ONLY problems who's managed to resolve them by changing their channel configurations, please feel free to update me if you personally have experienced this issue and fixed it by changing your channel settings.

[mortal wind]

my nodes are cross acknowledging one another as a confirmation that I don’t have any receiving problems with either configuration.

or immediate transmission

I’m most likely in a highly interfering area.

[midnight mural]

Midtown fucking sucks

For RF

I have problems here

[mortal wind]

Definitely was able to see Harlem Relayat least on LF

[jaunty harness]

yeah channel mis-cfg would affect both rx and tx, but i haven't seen any non-channel-index 0 traffic in Meshsense so far

[daring moth]

If you would like to be added, submit a pull request
on https://nyme.sh/ should link to https://github.com/MeshNY/meshny.github.io/pulls

[midnight mural]

@fervent nebula seems to be on top of it!

[fervent nebula]

anyone any good at graphics? after updating the website I'm feeling jealous of https://kmesh.us/ https://forest-edge.info/ https://wiki.mt.gt/

[thorn quest]

Nymesh.sh is a great landing page btw!

[normal osprey]

nyme.sh

[thorn quest]

Doh typo soz

[thorn quest]

Curious, what would the NY mesh mascot or emblem be?

[feral briar]

Kaatskills looks like ChatGPT generated it. Here's a couple that I just did

[daring moth]

Maybe something with this on it:

[daring moth]

That image specifically is a cropped screenshot of https://www.ny.gov/

[ashen venture]

it's like the old IRC IRSSI but for mesh!

[ashen venture]

I might have to try this with the harbor breeze builds

[midnight mural]

Uh, PIZZA, DUH! 😂🤣

[midnight mural]

That’s me backpacking with a node or two haha

[fervent nebula]

you mean the cow one? 😛

[midnight mural]

I FELT THAT BURN IN NJ!🤣😂🤣😂

[rare sparrow]

I can update it to use https://squidfunk.github.io/mkdocs-material/

At least it will look a bit more visually appealing

But yes a logo would be nice

[feral briar]

I haven't spent much time upstate, but I assume there are cows?

[thorn quest]

That’s very comprehensive

[fervent nebula]

I'm loving that cows are the feature here. My partner says "throw a lighthouse in there for good measure because that'll cover Long Island"

[feral briar]

You've hit the free plan limit for image generation requests. You can create more images when the limit resets in 23 hours and 7 minutes.
ahhhhh

[thorn quest]

You know this might actually work. Disclosure: I have no skin in this game I’m from Blighty.

[midnight mural]

Maple syrup and eggs 😂🤣

[thorn quest]

Keep adding stuff until people complain. Maybe add a new thing every month?

[midnight mural]

I’m not feeling the cows, but that pizza I am def feeling 😂🤣

[thorn quest]

I’d buy the badges if you make ‘em

[midnight mural]

I fear for what our mascot will develop into over time 🤣😂

Mesh-Pizza-Cow: Half-[assed-]Mesh, half pizza, half cow

[fervent nebula]

a cow covered in a mesh-print eating pizza next to a lighthouse

[midnight mural]

In New York State

[thorn quest]

That’s your prompt right there

[midnight mural]

Like fishnets mesh, or what kind of fabric are we talking here

We have to be careful, there are children in here /s

[fervent nebula]

oh I meant like that grid mesh like from the image, but if you want fishnets on a cow I'm not going to judge you

[thorn quest]

No kink shaming!

[fervent nebula]

if you want to change the theme or build in mkDocs instead I'd support it.

[jaunty harness]

booyaaa… welcome! Also does the phrase “E2” mean anything to you by chance?

[fast spruce]

my meshpocket has horribe performance

i litterally can see any nodes

cant

even the ones on my desk

[jaunty harness]

and yeah I have a bunch of images from gardeners installs that I could never quite figure out how to use as header images, but I also hate frontend stuff

[fast spruce]

its so weird

am i doing something wrong here

[jaunty harness]

That looks right, anything look off in the logs? Is it both of them (I thought you said you had two of them)? Tried latest 2.7.2 firmware/older 2.6.x?

[fast spruce]

yes

i can see the nodes

and i can see my rooftops now

but i litterally cant see anything else

[jaunty harness]

Ahhh maybe range/antenna thing?

[fast spruce]

i cARRIED bot t1e and this and had node db reset aand t1e consistantly got more nodes

more nodes means like this thing got 2 nodes

and t1e got like 40

[jaunty harness]

is the current RX champ, the wismesh meshpocket is still SX1262 I believe

[fast spruce]

x▒▒WARN | 15:28:49 11911 [RadioIf] Can not send yet, busyRx
WARN | 15:28:49 11911 [RadioIf] Can not send yet, busyRx
WARN | 15:28:49 11911 [RadioIf] Can not send yet, busyRx
WARN | 15:28:49 11911 [RadioIf] Can not send yet, busyRx
WARN | 15:28:49 11911 [RadioIf] Can not send yet, busyRx
WARN | 15:28:49 11911 [RadioIf] Can not send yet, busyRx
DEBUG | 15:28:49 11911 [RadioIf] Ignore false preamble detection
DEBUG | 15:28:49 11911 [RadioIf] Started Tx (id=0x7f1546ad fr=0xb5d372c6 to=0xffffffff, WantAck=0, HopLim=3 Ch=0x8 encrypted len=49 rxtime=1752175728 hopStart=3 relay=0xc6 priority=10)
DEBUG | 15:28:49 11911 [RadioIf] Packet TX: 600ms
DEBUG | 15:28:49 11911 [RadioIf] 0 packets

i keep seeing this

[jaunty harness]

hrmmm don't think i've ever seen Ignore false preamble detection before... I have seen the Can not send yet, busyRx but that's just the firmware like "hearing something, wait to tx"

[fast spruce]

yeah

reflash?

[jaunty harness]

maybe an lfs erase + reflash but that seems like possibly packet that's not fully heard vs T1000E's superior RX

[thorn quest]

Yeah baby! I wasnt sure if you were that porkcube! 🙌🏽

[jaunty harness]

indeed! have an invite for you 8)

[fast spruce]

is it really that good?

[ashen venture]

the cows confuse me personally

[jaunty harness]

yeah +2dB in the radio and amazingly tuned antenna - i'd look into maybe getting an external antenna on the meshpocket and seeing how that affects things

also search around in discord, others def have that device and might have made some helpful comments

[fast spruce]

how bad is this compared to t1e

[jaunty harness]

dB are exponential so +2 is quite a bit, better would be compare to say RAK or the Heltec v3 which are SX1262

[daring moth]

Has anyone measured the maximum number of walls between two nodes such that they can still communicate bidirectionally in zero hops?

[daring moth]

Obviously it would vary depending on building materials, thickness, etc., but I think if we average out the data between different high-rise buildings, it could be a useful dataset.

[frail grotto]

pizza and a halah or coffee cart would work better

[jaunty harness]

maybe something blending //\/\ with the mets/yankees NY ?

[median gate]

nymoo.sh

[median gate]

Pizza rat wearing an H2T backpack

[jaunty harness]

if pizza rat isn't available there's always the 20ft inflatable one that's always at union protests

[frail grotto]

Scab rat

[amber edge]

scabby

[normal osprey]

So far (since late last night), MS testing hasn’t been great for me. This node is just across the East River from me. I used to be able to hit it with no issues on LF and MF. Can’t seem to get a message delivered on MS.

The only other thing I changed is enabling MQTT but that shouldn’t affect this.

Even default channel messages are barely being delivered

Not sure why my performance seems to be worse than on MF.

How’s everyone else getting along?

[jaunty harness]

I saw the ~noon test and ack'd a little later when my meeting was over

don't see the one from few mins ago, but also not seeing P1NY right now either

hrmmm, don't see 7982 either

[normal osprey]

I’m gonna turn off MQTT for now and test (even though that should make 0 difference). My node doesn’t have wifi so it’s only using MQTT when connected to my phone which isn’t sustainable anyway.

[amber edge]

the test is going alright for me, but i'm in a node-dense area

[normal osprey]

Maybe my antenna doesn’t like this frequency as much. Will keep testing.

[amber edge]

@normal osprey did you get the ack responses? https://meshview.nyme.sh/chat

assuming you did the test message

[normal osprey]

I got the wave and “from bed stuy” from acer

[amber edge]

@normal osprey regarding your earlier message about P1NY, it does seem odd that no other nodes see it. how much confidence do we have that it's configured correctly?

also i'm curious where it's positioned in manhattan

[normal osprey]

That’s a good point. That node was kind of my litmus test for testing across LF, MF, and now MS… but might be misconfigured now, moved, etc

[amber edge]

i can't successfully TR it either

[normal osprey]

Unfortunately, I haven’t been in this new apartment long enough to know what other nodes I should be able to hit.

My direct testing node used to be GrandSt from my old apt.

[amber edge]

oh yeah i forgot about GrandSt. who runs that?

[normal osprey]

Gardener

[amber edge]

does ios have an export config option?

[jaunty harness]

nope 8(

[amber edge]

i am considering creating a dedicated page where you can upload your config file and it confirms whether it's correct for the preset

aww butts

[jaunty harness]

P1NY used to show up between ~27th/2nd on the map for me

[normal osprey]

that’s basically where I see it

[frail grotto]

This is what I saw

P1NY is set to Bellevue park the location is closer to 1st Ave

[normal osprey]

I’d be happy to export via cli for this

[jaunty harness]

what I saw

[normal osprey]

Is this Meshsense? wondering if I should have a laptop just running meshsense for this node

[jaunty harness]

yawp, just be sure to disable the default auto-enabled auto TRs

[amber edge]

just figured out how to read the android config format. webste incoming

[jaunty harness]

is the android config different than the python (e.g. not yaml?)

[brazen spear]

Is anyone seeing grand st?

I'm gonna give it a reset. I can't believe it wouldn't conect to vernon when prospect and lilybx can

[jaunty harness]

nope 8(

[normal osprey]

I’ve got Vernon, 1 hop away as of 8:38PM but not GrandSt. I no longer have line of sight to GrandSt though. I’m north of that node, facing north.

[brazen spear]

Almost have the kids asleep. Then will reset

[amber edge]

on android it's the raw protobuf file that meshtastic uses internally. does the python command line only allow exporting a yaml?

[jaunty harness]

Vernon2 is weird for me, it's either sub -10/-100db, or nothing

[jaunty harness]

yeah --export-config is yaml, --info can get the protobuff structure

[amber edge]

oh nice. then yeah it'll work with --info

[jaunty harness]

k, happy to test that when sites ready

[brazen spear]

Okay grand st talks to vernon!

[amber edge]

@brazen spear are you able to turn on Ok to MQTT on your nodes? it'd be helpful to see which nodes are connected to them on this page https://meshview.nyme.sh/nodegraph

no big deal if not

[jaunty harness]

yeah I see GrandSt as of 7mins ago, though hopped

[brazen spear]

I've got 100 other projects atm...

[amber edge]

fair enough!

[feral briar]

sorry there's no cows in this one

[frail grotto]

heres geminis try

[feral briar]

not bad, but that color scheme reminds me of...

[normal osprey]

Running meshsense now with auto TR off

[jaunty harness]

you still seeing GrandSt? Seems to have dropped off for me 8/

[amber edge]

what's the ID of grandst?

[jaunty harness]

35e1

[amber edge]

gotcha. i don't see it. hm

[radiant lintel]

on meshview, what does payload Did not decode mean?

[amber edge]

@jaunty harness https://frewsxcv.github.io/meshtastic-config-reader/ when you have a moment, can you see if the output of the --info flag with the python cli works here?