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misty gorge
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We need meshtastic NYC pizza ratings.

jaunty harness
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Lombardis is over rated

karmic junco
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So the little 2p3s DC ups battery pack has been awesome n

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I'm using it on a spectrum modem at the moment. It works pretty awesome, just plug in the stock adapter into it and the pig tail and it just stays working.

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Ideally, this thing could possibly benefit from a balance board for long term. But so far seems to be doing just fine.

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I might have to pickup a few of these and just put them on every little router/modem.

abstract iron
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I got a spot south of me I wanna check out but it was dough sold out at 7 PM!!! one sec :

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check it anyone been

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slice place they were super cool but slammed

misty gorge
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Haven't tried that place yet. I tried Wizard Hat in Brooklyn.

amber edge
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the Catskills are what I'm referring to when I say upstate

keen slate
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is there a login that allows subscribing on mqtt.nycme.sh? I want to do some data analytics

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i promise to not mqtt downlink on the default channel πŸ˜„

daring moth
keen slate
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i would prefer to not, i just spent hours writing code to decode and decrypt the binary protobufs πŸ˜„

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thank you for the pointer though!

karmic junco
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I might go sling pizza for a week in aug

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The water In the Catskills varies dramatically depending on which section of well water you hit

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Some can be quite off putting. Some are terrific.

fervent nebula
radiant lintel
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o/

abstract iron
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woo the app update changed the UI a little

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colors all the way across the node list row/cell not just the short name

midnight mural
bronze wren
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About the same weight as my K2 Plus. Things are massive but they print really quick and quiet.

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I do have it on a 90lbs slab of concrete. It was very hard to get into the table while also positioning foam layers below it. πŸ˜…

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But I love having 350mm cubed volume. The h2d prints really large too.

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Overpriced imo but I do sometimes wish I had two tool heads so I could swap support materials.

abstract iron
midnight mural
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oh, so its like iOS now? I hate how the apps are different

abstract iron
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idk I only saw iOS once

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about to be in lower Manhattan will see how mesh looks today

midnight mural
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@abstract iron packet blast away my fellow junglist

jaunty harness
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excuse any filter test messages, testing all the filters i have on hand (currently 5: GPIO Labs band pass, NooElec band pass, Airframes Cavity Filter, and I've built 2 of my band pass design to see if there's variance in the filter part/my build)

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also some idiot wasted a perfectly cromulent SanDisk Ultra SD card in their VNA (and that idiot was me, swapped for a non-ultra sandisk)

jaunty harness
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Purely off the VNA the Airframes is the clear winner... until you move off LongFast then you might as well use my design (for 1/10th the cost) and/or go through retuning the Cavity Filter

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abstract iron
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dkTower helping me out down here in Manhattan

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you guys getting NYC resistor etc ?

amber edge
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I'm still planning to move my nodes over on Tuesday

abstract iron
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Corey you have that grocery node right

amber edge
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Yep. I have a few

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GHFC, VaWi, and 🌳 (Catalpa)

jaunty harness
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oh! I didn't realize Catalpa was one of yours - always shows up in the Grand & Union pileup

abstract iron
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and Corey you're going to medium fast?

fervent nebula
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huh. Liam Cottle's mesh map has started recommending MeshCore.

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abstract iron
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earlier

jaunty harness
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OH! was that the station in LIC?

abstract iron
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which one?

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i was sitting near the H Tunnel and had great coverage there.

jaunty harness
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heh not sure, just saw on the AARL field day map there was one in LIC

abstract iron
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ohhh yes I didn't know where they were

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ohhh nice! I didn't know the name of that park. I see what you mean

abstract iron
jaunty harness
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it's trivial and already have a revised version i need to have fabbed but the problem right now is it's way too narrow - basically as useful as not having any filter, ~40 active. right now have the airframes (10x+ the cost, 20x+ the weight) cav filter which is a mere 104 active nodes in just under 2hrs)

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i'm gonna try and tune it later, which apparently actually is just removing some of the ceramic material

karmic junco
karmic junco
jaunty harness
abstract iron
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I checked pskreporter and didn't see anything with their callsign so I guess they're doing SSB phone?

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I can't remember where you find those CW sniffing sites that report seen callsigns

abstract iron
jaunty harness
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Hah yeah rev2 adds ufl/ipex connectors and waiting on some smt edge ntype connectors to make sure the pads are wide enough for it and sma edge connector - basically make it super flexible

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Unfortunately this particular filter sucks for Long Fast (906.875) but should be great for Medium Fast (913.125) - but it stills fees too narrow bandwidth via the gpio labs (because private channels are on diff freqs within the overall 900-930MHz range)

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The airframes is also amazing, and similarly narrow bandwidth but perfectly tuned for 906.875 so it works much better on LF out of the box

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(And again also 10x+ price and 20x the weight)

abstract iron
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wow I didn't know private channels were offset

jaunty harness
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yeah, they're a random slot

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actually maybe slot is derived from the PSK? I forget, it's somewhere in the docs

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yeee
While you can have a different PRIMARY channel and communicate over SECONDARY channels with the same Name & PSK, a hash of the PRIMARY channel's name sets the LoRa frequency slot, which determines the actual frequency you are transmitting on in the band. To ensure devices with different PRIMARY channel name transmit on the same frequency, you must explicitly set the LoRa frequency slot.

hazy nexus
amber edge
jaunty harness
jaunty harness
amber edge
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yep i know how to do it. just haven't gotten around to it. i hate that they're all stacked at kellogg diner lol

jaunty harness
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40.6911 / -73.9397 should be the intersection

amber edge
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or wherever in willimasburg

jaunty harness
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haha yeah kellogg's is a couple blocks north

brazen spear
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Just checked in to update some pocket nodes and noticed 2.6.11. Is this a critical update for the rooftop stuff?

abstract iron
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d84c in here?

jaunty harness
jaunty harness
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tl:dr; no (because even if you have low entropy key device deployed it's not DMing) and if you have a device with OLED installing 2.7.0 tech preview is well worth it

abstract iron
abstract iron
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CT2?? new one

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jaunty harness
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check the first seen time? (does android show that? ios does but meshsense doesn't)

amber edge
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I forgot if I asked this, but if anyone has solar nodes for sale let me know. I have a few rooftops in central Brooklyn and DUMBO I could add them to

cyan drum
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there are tons of nodes over by dumbo iirc

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theres a distinct lack of coverage by borough park, bensonhurst, and flatlands

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very hard to get messages eastward 😦

midnight mural
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and to manhattan, I'm very lonely up here

abstract iron
abstract iron
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pizza do you get my pings from Queens etc?

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I Was up in Queensbridge park today couldn't figure out which nodes were around me except for Astoria

midnight mural
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Negative. Up in this hole called midtown. My 24th floor homie seems to not be around anymore 😦

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Sad mesh noises

midnight mural
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it's ok, I have othe rSDR projects keeping me busy πŸ™‚

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Plane and boat tracking 😎

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abstract iron
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Yeah I like doing the planes. do you feed one of the open ones, or, fr24, etc?

midnight mural
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I feed all of the account-less aggregators that the sdr-enthusiasts use in the adsb.im image. Pretty sweet....I'm doing ads-b, acars for planes, ais for boats, just fired up radiosonde for weather balloons......have some remote feeders setup at the office and other places, and I am convincing friends to host some....and then I'll sneak in meshtastic nodes later on those raspi's

abstract iron
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nice

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I usually turn one on around the time of travel to get a business account on FR24

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I even have the rtlsdr with built in LNA, and a 1090 MHz filter, for ADSB

midnight mural
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yeah, I have two of those adsbx dongles on raspi3's, super portable.

abstract iron
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nice

jaunty harness
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β€œSo what did you do this weekend?”

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brazen spear
brazen spear
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Inside is one 18650 a faketec a bms and a voltage regulatoe

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amber edge
jaunty harness
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from the pics i've seen they're mounted vertical but ~35-40 degrees is "ideal"

amber edge
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@brazen spear can i buy a few off of you for $50? or are you just sharing how cheap it would be to make

abstract iron
brazen spear
brazen spear
maiden thistle
jaunty harness
midnight mural
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Anyone else with a screen on their node update to 2.70? The UI is super nice!

brazen spear
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Okay well I reset Prospect a031 and sent a test message... didn't receive it here. Might need to go visit.

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Oh it sent a nodeinfo message!

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6 hops jeeze. Can't wait for prospect heights to go up.

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I guess I should probably have all of these reset every week or two with a cronjob...

jaunty harness
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smolfox + giant screen πŸ˜†

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karmic junco
brazen spear
karmic junco
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Apparently part of the aarl field day

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It man his website has been the same since 2021

brazen spear
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Did anyone get the message from prospect a031?

jaunty harness
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nope 8(

maiden thistle
jaunty harness
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oh shit, i didn't look back far enough 😬

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didnt get the message but def heard it!

midnight mural
midnight mural
karmic junco
midnight mural
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I did at the Indy500

abstract iron
abstract iron
maiden thistle
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1 hop away. Didn't receive message

digital kettle
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I put up a few nodes in NYC east side

jaunty harness
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Awesome, and welcome!! Which nodes are they?

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also the filter tests have concluded and the results are: GPIO Labs is 🀌, Airframes is amazing but very narrow, NooElec is ok but active/needs power and not as good as GPIO Labs and my design... is as narrow as the Airframes but cuts off harshly right around LongFast/906.875MHz but was about 2/3rds as good as the GPIO Labs for 1/3rd the price, but now i'm gonna get a bunch of different band pass/saw filters with more bandwidth and make up PCBs and see how that goes

fast spruce
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Guys hear me out

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I had a brainfart

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Pwnagotchi nodes and they send the captures over meshtastic to get cracked

jaunty harness
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not enough bandwidth on LongFast, need bigger solar + battery setups to run

digital kettle
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T114 and ESP32

digital kettle
midnight mural
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I swear I have to keep blocking Brooklyn Solar Node

abstract iron
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is it a router or something

fast spruce
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I have a few extra pi zero2ws what should I do with them

midnight mural
jaunty harness
# digital kettle T114 and ESP32 but my collection is growing fast, I also have a car node as I t...

back up your configs! at minimum the privateKey which can be done by copy/pasting from the mobile apps though they've had some updates recently to make that a little easier, the web-ui if you have an ESP32 before it was removed in latest versions, will have a CTA to backthem up to a file in browser, or via meshtastic python-cli, which will also let you backup the entire device's cfg simply. just be wary about putting them into a git repot that's publically accessible since the privateKey is "secret" and there's also a channel_url which should be also considered "sensitive"

amber edge
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reminder tomorrow is july 1st! for anyone else moving things over medium-fast

blissful moon
amber edge
blissful moon
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I know the reasons to change.. is just your message didn't make sense for me I don't know the context.. is july 1st the day all are going to change.. july 1st is the deadline?

amber edge
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i'm not sure who else is doing it but i'm moving my nodes over in central brooklyn

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if no one else moves over after a couple weeks, i'll probably move back to long-fast but i hope others join

blissful moon
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got it..

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I have sense cap at my office in manhattan.. wed I will change..

mortal wind
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aye direct connection to BOKN

wet shard
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@mortal wind what firmware version are you on?

amber edge
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i haven't seen it. but i also don't have access to some of my nodes for a while, so even if that were to merge i won't be able to flash that firmware

midnight mural
amber edge
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perfect. i'm planning to do it around midnight

midnight mural
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I've been rocking that 2.7.0 fw as well for a week or so, I like the UI for small screens

midnight mural
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When we cutover, we change to Medium Range - Fast

But, do we need to change our Frequency Slot from 20?

mortal wind
amber edge
midnight mural
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no, I changed my preset on my t1e just now (getting ahead, fuck it) and I changed the preset to Medium Range - Fast, yet my Frequency Slot remains at 20

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so I dunno if that will cause a problem, I thought that was what the preset did, but do we need to make 2 two changes instead of 1?

amber edge
midnight mural
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sigh, a tale of two apps. iOS app has it in the Lora section

amber edge
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can you share a screenshot?

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android btw

midnight mural
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Jinx haha, yeah I was getting one

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you can see it on yours

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20

amber edge
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wow how did i miss that

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changing to medium fast automatically updated it to 45

midnight mural
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the same way the devs missed naming the presets the same in Android and iOS

amber edge
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(all i did was switch to medium-fast)

midnight mural
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yeah, so the iOS app did NOT do that for me

rare sparrow
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This is new πŸ˜‚

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What are the odds

midnight mural
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I bet @jaunty harness knew this πŸ˜‰ (iOS app & Android differences)

amber edge
rare sparrow
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Oh well

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Should I get a new key pair

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I don’t see 8eaf on my node list tho

amber edge
jaunty harness
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yeah there were 2 issues, low entropy (not great) but also manufacturer's (re)flashing the same cfg to multiple units at the factory (specifically the trackert1000e) - and I'm not THAT familiar with the android app, i have it on an old fire tablet that's just the feed for doorcam, and on workphone but don't use either to manage nodes). andoird has been getting a lot of dev work lately so things kinda moving around there

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I still have a MF window node up, just a Xiao nRF52840 + WioSX1262 Kit with TE Connectivity Lynx ant and one of my band pass filters since 913.125MHz is in it's "sweet" spot vs LF 906.875MHz being around where SWR >6 and it starts filtering out useful/used parts of the 900-930MHz range

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iOS had set slot to 0 which I think is the equiv of manually setting45 (0 in most of the firmware stuff doesn't mean "zero" / "false" as much as "default" value)

midnight mural
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I cut over to MF/45 on my two daily drivers. Maybe I’ll see some action Β―_(ツ)_/Β―

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Bad data

jaunty harness
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iOS just needs preset changed

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"When 0, the slot is automatically calculated based on the primary channel name"

midnight mural
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Mine was at 20, not 0

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Maybe it moved from 0 the last time I did this

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Pizza Pinged from Roosevelt Island on MF, no ack

Maybe this week will be different

jaunty harness
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Yeah if it was 20 you likely set it at some point / restored it from a cfg

midnight mural
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Ahhhh, ok, that makes sense then.

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So maybe I’ll set mine to 0 to not have to worry going forward.

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Is the Williamsburg Bridge the problem up/down the east river?

mortal wind
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on the train

karmic junco
midnight mural
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It’s moving in the right direction. Works fine on my wismesh pocket

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I’ll take that out to the east river tonight and see if I can hit pork’s window on MF

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I’d say the new UI works better than the t1e TX πŸ€£πŸ˜‚

karmic junco
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I see a e8f6. Maybe flying by

midnight mural
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Not me womp womp

karmic junco
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I still basically see nobody unless their in an airplane.

abstract iron
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Ok serious question I'm going to fly Saturday late evening do we see any value in me sending the flight msg in MF or LF? Using EWR

midnight mural
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LF

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And say come join us on MF

abstract iron
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Oh interesting

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Ill have 2 t1e and 1 solar(off, for use at destination)

midnight mural
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That’s what I was going to do

abstract iron
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I could split the t1es

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I gotta reconfig for euro LF anyway

midnight mural
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Just blast with the t1e every few seconds on takeoff

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The euro change is EZPZ. I was having fun in Spain and Portugal this spring

abstract iron
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yah I'm going to pt

midnight mural
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Have fun, chatty bunch!

abstract iron
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great

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I'm gonna deploy the solar there

midnight mural
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Wooooo

frail grotto
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im liking that you can see replies in the android client

midnight mural
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that is nice

abstract iron
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MFers what time you cutting over? if I have time/remember I can put a Donk MF up at work but it's typically uptown facing not BK

daring moth
frail grotto
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We should probably update nyme.sh to show we swapped

mortal wind
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on preset 45

normal osprey
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I don’t see anywhere on the nyme.sh site that we are currently on LF 20 or the MF 45 testing we are about to start. Can’t recall who manages the site but can we add this info please?

frail grotto
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P3NY will be installed tomorrow I'll swap 0 through 4 then

daring moth
normal osprey
midnight mural
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I'll update it after I do the dishes.....why do the dishwashers also not put away the dishes, wtf?

amber edge
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Migrating all my nodes right now

normal osprey
midnight mural
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MEDIUM FAST JULY 2025 COORDINATED TEST

We are conducting a full on test to see if Medium Fast(45) is a better fit for NYC than Long Fast(20). If you would like to participate, please do so by joining the Medium Fast LoRa preset in the Meshtastic app of your choice.
Meshtastic App > Settings > LoRa Config > 'Medium Range - Fast' or 'MEDIUM_FAST'

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what else should I add, can make more tweaks later, but this is the gist, what did I miss before I submit

normal osprey
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Do we know approximately how long we plan to run this test? or is it currently undecided?

I can switch over later tonight.

midnight mural
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till everyone switches over πŸ˜‰

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I thought it was short term to see how it goes

daring moth
midnight mural
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min fw 2.6.11???

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maybe say 2.6.X+

daring moth
# midnight mural min fw 2.6.11???

I think we mainly want to avoid the issue that happens with one of the AMR nodes in which it aggressively sends NodeInfo in large meshes.

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Which firmware version was this fixed in?

midnight mural
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MEDIUM FAST JULY 2025 COORDINATED TEST

We are conducting a full on test to see if Medium Fast(45) is a better fit for NYC than Long Fast(20). If you would like to participate, please do so by joining the Medium Fast LoRa preset in the Meshtastic app of your choice. This test will begin July 1, 2025 and will end when the community decides our next step. Check here and our discord channel to stay current and help shape the future of our mesh!

  • Backup your keys.
  • Firmware version 2.6.x or greater.
  • Change your preset:
    • Meshtastic App > Settings > LoRa Config > 'Medium Range - Fast' or 'MEDIUM_FAST'
amber edge
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Two weeks sound okay with everyone?

daring moth
amber edge
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My range so far is just as good with long fast, if not better?

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From ten minutes of anecdotal testing

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Very scientific

midnight mural
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MEDIUM FAST JULY 2025 COORDINATED TEST

We are conducting a full on test to see if Medium Fast(45) is a better fit for NYC than Long Fast(20). If you would like to participate, please do so by joining the Medium Fast LoRa preset in the Meshtastic app of your choice. This test will begin July 1, 2025 and will end when the community decides our next step in the coming weeks. Check here and our discord channel to stay current and help shape the future of our mesh!

  • Backup your keys.
  • Firmware version 2.6.x or greater (flasher link below).
  • Change your preset:
    • Meshtastic App > Settings > LoRa Config > 'Medium Range - Fast' or 'MEDIUM_FAST'
daring moth
midnight mural
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backup keys, update firmware and change your preset?

daring moth
midnight mural
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lol, it's bulleted so hopping they do

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I just closed my pull request, I will add some clearer wording about the steps

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but you are right, a little muddy

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MEDIUM FAST COORDINATED TEST - JULY 2025

We are conducting a full on test to see if Medium Fast(45) is a better fit for NYC than Long Fast(20). If you would like to participate, please do so by joining the Medium Fast LoRa preset in the Meshtastic app of your choice. This test will begin July 1, 2025 and will end when the community decides our next step in the coming weeks. Check here and our discord channel to stay current and help shape the future of our mesh!

If you are joining us on Medium Fast, please do the following:

  • Backup your keys.
    • Meshtastic App > Security > Key Backup
  • Firmware version 2.6.x or greater (flasher link below).
  • Change your preset:
    • Meshtastic App > Settings > LoRa > 'Medium Range - Fast' or 'MEDIUM_FAST'
daring moth
midnight mural
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ahhh, I like trhat

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MEDIUM FAST COORDINATED TEST - JULY 2025

We are conducting a full on test to see if Medium Fast(45) is a better fit for NYC than Long Fast(20). If you would like to participate, please do so by following the steps down below. This test will begin July 1, 2025 and will end when the community decides our next step in the coming weeks. Check here and our discord channel to stay current and help shape the future of our mesh!

If you are joining us on Medium Fast, please do the following:

  • Backup your keys.
    • Meshtastic App > Security > Key Backup
  • Firmware version 2.6.x or greater (flasher link below).
  • Change your preset:
    • Meshtastic App > Settings > LoRa > 'Medium Range - Fast' or 'MEDIUM_FAST'
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"will end when the community decides our next step in the coming weeks"

to give us some wiggle

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ok, submitted pull request for real for real.

can make any tweaks the next few days if need be

midnight mural
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I'll head to the east river in a bit and see if i can hit any of you all in Q & BK on my WisMesh Pocket on MF

amber edge
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Migrated my nodes! Got two more coming next week I'll put on MF in central Brooklyn roofs

abstract iron
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My solar is refusing to BT I'll try to get it going

proven grove
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God damnit. I don't want to switch to MF.... Everuthing I have is set up for 906.875. I don't mess around with the 915mhz centered stuff... 😭

cyan drum
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thanks

midnight mural
proven grove
abstract iron
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Just sent test MF. have a T1E & solar moved over

midnight mural
daring moth
proven grove
rare sparrow
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Done!

daring moth
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Oops, someone center-aligned one of the main headings (in green):

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rare sparrow
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just sent another fix

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wait for it to rebuild

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fixed!

proven grove
jaunty harness
abstract iron
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so far it's like being somewhere with no nodes laugh. let's see if we start to see some nodeinfo

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sending is faster

daring moth
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Should we ping the user behind Harlem Relay?

amber edge
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@abstract iron it's not even july 1st! and yes my messages and traceroutes are quite a bit faster

abstract iron
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also my snr went up from my indoor t1e to outside solar

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same RSSI loss of 1000 dB

midnight mural
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I have good LOS to Queens and Brooklyn, so I know my Roosevelt Island pings should be somewhat ok

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abstract iron
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I'm sending test on MF

amber edge
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starting to see some MF nodes in telemetry πŸ‘€

midnight mural
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I’ll still be in this hole πŸ™ƒ

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I find it funny some of us can’t wait till tomorrow. But you know, can’t be too prepared 😎

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Annnnnnnnd my two nodes can’t hear/talk to each other so I assume none of you either

proven grove
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I nuked my nodeDB when I switched over to MedFast. I want too see what I can actually see on it

midnight mural
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Oh that sounds fun!

proven grove
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Even when I try to switch over, the mesh won't let me....

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daring moth
amber edge
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long-fast: 20, medium-fast: 45, or you can set it to 0 to pick the correct value for whatever preset you are on

midnight mural
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You show on channel 20

amber edge
midnight mural
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Alien. Sorry, my discord updated really slow

amber edge
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all good. just making sure it's not me πŸ˜…

midnight mural
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I factory reset and got this!

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amber edge
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which firmware version?

midnight mural
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2.7.0, rebooted and it’s fine

proven grove
midnight mural
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I never nuked it when I updated to 2.7.0…..I’m just starting fresh, whatever :). backups at home

proven grove
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Changing to 45 worked.

daring moth
brazen spear
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Yall want me to switch all my rooftop nodes?

abstract iron
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Yes please if possible

daring moth
midnight mural
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Nuked everything, and now my t1e is doing this lol

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daring moth
brazen spear
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Okay but they're all 2.5.20

Do I need to change to 2.6.11?

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Will be more work.

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Does this update wipe the config like last time?

daring moth
brazen spear
#

Thank god πŸ˜…

daring moth
abstract iron
#

(I have no idea)

brazen spear
#

What's the LFS issue?

midnight mural
daring moth
midnight mural
daring moth
brazen spear
#

Yeah right. Okay I'll just switch to medium fast 45

jaunty harness
#

going 2.5 -> 2.6+ IS A CONFIG WIPE!!

brazen spear
#

Yeah no I'm definitely not doing that then 🀣

jaunty harness
#

yeah just go to MF45 and save the updates for another time (as it will take some time)

#

you get a pass on this one, but also 2.5.20 was when the LFS stuff was sorted IIRC so the "should be upgraded to 2.6.x" isn't exactly right as much as "should be upgraded anyway"

brazen spear
#

Someone want to save me time and tell me the cli command?

jaunty harness
#

i think it's meshtastic -t --set lora.modemPreset MEDIUM_FAST --set lora.usePreset true but gimme like 30s to try πŸ˜„

brazen spear
jaunty harness
#

yeah that worked

brazen spear
#

What's the -t part of that?

jaunty harness
#

the usePreset should be the equiv of setting value of 0 / "default" slot 45 (in this case)

#

-t = localhost connection, sorry muscle-memory

#

it tries serial connection by default but if you're doing meshtasticd -t saves you like 5s of it doing the serial check then falling back to localhost

brazen spear
#

I don't think the -t is needed for me

jaunty harness
#

yeah... unless until you start playing with smolfox or the 1W pihat or the meshstick πŸ˜„

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actually gonna put this 1W in the last free window, since 1W and PoE, should be better than the xiao nrf+wio that's been sitting there hearing nothing for months except when zilla was like a block away

abstract iron
#

meshtastic --port /dev/ttyACM0 --ch-medfast

#

I did that to the solar

#

and then re-exported the config to keep for swapping around

#

I wouldn't necessarily know if that automatically fixed the freq preset except that my android configured t1e worked MF with the ZLLS MF so

abstract iron
#

on MF

frail grotto
#

i cant seem tp get a good connection to my pony expresses im gonna have to walk close to them

abstract iron
#

pizza you got link to Grand?

brazen spear
#

I did grand vernon lilybx and Prospect

midnight mural
#

I can't tx from pizzadeliverydude to caseyjones, but I can the other way......can there be something fucked up in my radio not letting it tx more than node info or is that not sound?

abstract iron
#

key or something?

midnight mural
#

no, just says max retries etc

#

well, I guess it could be

#

but it is symptomatic of not sending in the first place

abstract iron
brazen spear
#

Southslope has wifi connectivity issues. Will have to do over remote admin at some point.

#

Also... realizing I'll have to do remote admin for a few over the air, which needs to happen sequentially or when I'm close to them.

#

Lol that's why we try stuff. To learn the most obvious things πŸ˜…

normal osprey
#

Have a T-Echo on 2.7 and MF45 in my window for now. So far, I’ve picked up 703d with incomplete info.

abstract iron
#

Haqer which way you face in your new spot?

brazen spear
#

How long are we gonna run this test?

normal osprey
#

first message went through

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jaunty harness
normal osprey
abstract iron
#

haqer you're f25a right

proven grove
normal osprey
abstract iron
#

I got your test

proven grove
#

(I think) it's been so long since I built that lol

daring moth
normal osprey
# proven grove Fa5a

Yes! thats the node you built.

that one is still on LF20. Need to update the FW on that before moving to MF.

abstract iron
#

no idea what hops yet πŸ˜‚πŸ‘½

normal osprey
jaunty harness
#

I got partial from 4908

#

(just fired up contact)

abstract iron
#

we need all those secret nodes that help me out like Metaphor to cut over

brazen spear
#

Anyone see the himrod solar message?

abstract iron
#

no

twin matrix
#

Hi gang….New to the NYC mesh
S301 and S302….primarily operating out of Forest Hills, Queens

mortal wind
#

Just in time, we testing out MF.

daring moth
mortal wind
#

Doom? /s

jaunty harness
#

just remember to use ALL CAPS when you spell the mad name

mortal wind
twin matrix
#

Saw that!
What’s the concept behind that test, MF improving range since are a fairly dense mesh?

mortal wind
jaunty harness
#

1/2 the tx time for ~10% loss in range, but also ditching the old firmware/poorly placed nodes running infra roles - and yeah we're dense enough it should be sustainable

daring moth
twin root
#

oh shit were doing it?

#

Moving to MF?

#

I will switch my node tommrw

south stone
#

We’ll see tomm

#

So far unable to get an ack on medium fast

normal osprey
#

Just received β€œHimrod solar2 test”

brazen spear
#

But no ack

normal osprey
#

first message i received on MF

normal osprey
south stone
brazen spear
#

I don't think vernon is working. Anyone seen it on mf?

#

Should've gotten an ack from vernon

normal osprey
#

I’m getting acks immediately upon sending messages. Faster than LF.

brazen spear
#

Perhaps from grand

normal osprey
#

currently only 2 nodes with incomplete info

jaunty harness
south stone
#

Just sent out 2 msgs on LF

#

Another two on MF

#

No ack

normal osprey
#

I still have everything being ack’d immediately on MF

brazen spear
#

Can you traceroute to grand?

normal osprey
#

351e? i only have node ids, no names

frail grotto
#

both of my esp32 devices do not like MF

south stone
#

MF might be a stretch for NJ

normal osprey
#

@brazen spear no response but shows 1 hop away. i don’t live at domino park anymore so no longer have direct LOS to the grand st node πŸ₯Ί

#

I’m at Marsha P Johnson Park facing North now

#

hitting 703d directly there and back

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#

received grand test @brazen spear

brazen spear
#

Well I don't know why grand worked but vernon didnt

amber edge
#

yep i see 351e from bed stuy as well

normal osprey
#

finally got the nodeinfo for the node i can consistently hit directly… it’s P1NY Pony Express Solar

jaunty harness
#

the tape was giving out so swapped back to the xiao nrf + wio MFer

normal osprey
#

Updated fa5a to 2.7 and have it on MF 45 now. Still haven’t decided on a naming convention for my nodes so might rename this node later.

#

@brazen spear this node sees Vernon2 4b7b with node info right away

#

got the vernon test message and replied

#

This node with its 5.8dBi antenna is already performing better than the T-Echo was on MF

#

getting the vernon and grand test messages

brazen spear
#

The issue was Vernon's primary channel was named LongFast. Not sure how to remove it, but can manually adjust depending on what we're on.

First assessments here are that Vernon apparently is not retransmitting from LilyBX or grand or prospect. So, no meshing due to distance I would guess. I'd like to suggest perhaps simply changing the frequency slot instead of the modulation. Has anyone done a survey of the iot band to see which frequencies are least used?

normal osprey
frail grotto
abstract iron
#

biked to work I only got P1NY

frail grotto
abstract iron
#

my other nodeinfo are at least 7h old

#

bike ride is about 24 mins so I would have had to get lucky for more broadcasts I guess

#

in that window

proven grove
#

In time square and I'm on an island, as usual. No Acks. Nothing.

cyan drum
#

My main node is on mf now

fervent nebula
#

switched SST briefly to Med Fast and had 0 connections, 0 ACKs, switched back. QMOD2 still on MF.

cyan drum
#

Nothing of mine has been acked

fervent nebula
#

Updated the meshview code, it does a better job of seeing packets from all presets now. We've got 1 MF node representing thanks to P0NY. https://meshview.nyme.sh/map

amber edge
#

Reminder it's day 1/14 and not everyone has switched over

fervent nebula
frail grotto
#

Man I keep reading MF and thinking we are all cursing 🀣

jaunty harness
#

just moved pork femtofox / 🦊 / 883c over

#

no real good way to secure the other node so fuck it

rare sparrow
#

i can only see one other node at the moment πŸ₯²

daring moth
#

Although I haven't heard from this node since, the following was received at Great Neck, NY on MF:

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jaunty harness
#

i mean... it's kinda apt for someone named Uno - but also takes time

amber edge
#

Up to 15 nodes on MF in my DB πŸŽ‰

#

Mother fuckin database

abstract iron
#

no nodes present in this MF

amber edge
#

Where are you based?

abstract iron
#

Chelsea right now, Williamsburg at home

#

here's what I've got

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ashen venture
blissful moon
#

need to change the channel name?

daring moth
mortal wind
#

Discovered ZLL1 on MF.

abstract iron
#

oh nice that's my t1e

proven grove
mortal wind
abstract iron
#

I also have the donk sitting here on my desk

#

youree looking for ZLL1 and ZLLP

blissful moon
#

changed to MF and clear the node list.. so far nothing yet.. I'm at West Orange

mortal wind
#

b344 is on MF.

abstract iron
#

ill put ZLLP near my uptown facing window but usually

frail grotto
abstract iron
#

it doesn't help

frail grotto
#

P3NY installed and on MF

normal osprey
frail grotto
#

Wooo

normal osprey
#

traceroute goes through your other node

frail grotto
#

That's great once P2NY is on MF it should help

mortal wind
#

MF looks like tx attempts feel so much faster than LF.

normal osprey
frail grotto
#

There's P3NY

mortal wind
#

Just got ZLLP on my node list leggooo

normal osprey
#

Smorgasburg fa5a

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jaunty harness
#

so you're basically benefiting at ever part

mortal wind
#

It’s even more apparent that S&F modules would be a necessity as more nodes propagate the mesh network since a lot of nodes have a list limit (200)

#

(already reached mine on b344).

#

clearing out old nodes do help

jaunty harness
#

depends on the node - nRF are capped at 80 nodeDB, meshtasticd... I'm at 600 of 1000 max

mortal wind
abstract iron
#

haqer I got you over here

mortal wind
#

Heard from the channel as well over here

#

Got 0cc4 here

frail grotto
normal osprey
mortal wind
#

ayee

abstract iron
#

oh hey that's a start

#

Hoboken 1W I'm seeing you

normal osprey
#

i see BOKN too

mortal wind
#

turning into off grid discord rn lmao

abstract iron
#

someone near me must be a strong MF because I'm getting mesh inside the building as I rip between meetings

mortal wind
twin root
mortal wind
twin root
#

Woooooooo

#

I'll leave it on MF

#

Although
.... Yeah my solar ain't so great so it will only work between sunup and 2 hrs after sundown lol

mortal wind
#

lol

#

accidentally sent couple carriage return/new lines in last message, was able to just send it through

#

instead of max tx attempts,

#

P2NY reached on MF. so promising soon

frail grotto
#

P0NY to P3NY are on MF just n3d to get to P4NY to swap it

abstract iron
#

I see P2NY also

#

I think we should stay on this preset just for the MFing jokes

proven grove
#

Me in Times Square...

jaunty harness
#

same here (the lyra is now tx_disabled so stopped broadcasting)

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abstract iron
mortal wind
#

no acks

#

7-9 aves work away from the squares

proven grove
normal osprey
#

Range does seem to be affected quite a bit then. My biggest concern is Gardner’s nodes not communicating with each other anymore when we were only supposed to lose ~10% range

#

It’s obviously still too early to tell for sure

frail grotto
#

I don't think I have any more easily accessable roofs

jaunty harness
#

4hrs is still WAAAAAAY better than when my original RAK went up 2 years ago

midnight mural
jaunty harness
#

hrmmm, should we also all be running CLIENT? fdc0 is running CLIENT_MUTE so far less likely to be heard / won't retx to expand coverage of M(other)F(luffer)

midnight mural
#

How is the first half of day 1 going for everyone?

amber edge
#

not able to get some messages out in my area, but i also know a few of the nodes close to me haven't migrated yet

frail grotto
#

All my nodes are on MF

jaunty harness
#

heard fcd0 again but they're 1/7 hops so something inbetween is relaying (probably Vernon2)

mortal wind
#

was in buildings before.

fast spruce
#

are we actually moving to medium fast?

normal osprey
fast spruce
#

so should i go to my rooftops to change the node modes or no

normal osprey
fast spruce
#

is medium fast longer range or faster than the normal one

#

alrighty

#

lets see how this goes

normal osprey
normal osprey
mortal wind
#

makes the BBS system viable imo so far.

amber edge
#

is anyone able to see GHFC? just want to make sure someone sees it besides me πŸ˜‚

mortal wind
normal osprey
whole basalt
#

Had my node "Auto" up most of the day - only see one node 😩

amber edge
#

is the person who manages Steiner Studios Tower active in here?

#

i just remembered that's a popular node in my area

mortal wind
#

@fervent nebula currently admin those nodes

fervent nebula
#

I've just switched SST to MF, still no contacts on QMO2, but heck it I guess.

normal osprey
#

Back home for a bit and i’m up to 18 other nodes in my list now

frail grotto
#

I'm only at 12 nodes but seen 213 times according to meshview

mortal wind
#

SST on MF mesh view now.

#

aye

fervent nebula
#

I also run the meshview πŸ˜‰

mortal wind
#

i’m trying to understand the refresh rates on these things just in case if i show someone how this works, i wouldn’t be blind-sighted too much

#

in IRL demos

fervent nebula
#

the MQTT reports whenever a packet is recieved/sent, SST has default telemetry enabled so it logged that sent packet and shipped it to the mqtt service. meshview database refreshes the data live from the mqtt notification, and the page is rebuilt about once a minute. so if your node is sending mqtt packets it should become visible in less than 3 minutes (or when full nodeinfo is available)

mortal wind
fervent nebula
#

there are other devices reporting to mqtt, so it'll be updated when any of them see the packet. You can also check the https://meshview.nyme.sh/firehose to see (close to) live packet insertion.

#

Still getting 0 confirms/contacts on SST. Sad node energy. Gonna go hit some dinner, will check back later.

normal osprey
#

This is what I’m seeing so far… for nodes who are sharing location

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jaunty harness
#

mesh usually picks up a bit when the sun goes down, hopefully rain will have passed by then

mortal wind
frail grotto
#

but names seem to die off after a distance i cant get p1ny to tell me its name from p0ny

jaunty harness
#

less nodes = less exchanging nodeinfo. you can cheese it a bit if you have a pre 2.7.x / BasicUI device (or a T1000E w/2.7.x) you can double-press the user-button to send an ad-hoc ping, otherwise try sending a traceroute

amber edge
#

My node map on day 1 of MF

Screenshot_20250701-183717.png
mortal wind
amber edge
#

none of my nodes have MQTT enabled. tbh i still don't really know what MQTT is

mortal wind
#

Discovered P4NY direct on subway.

#

the best way I can describe it is comparing the ecosystem to torrenting: the trackers/seeders are analogous to the website nyme.sh provides. It’s a pointer (called a β€˜broker’) to a set of nodes (β€˜clients’) under a given topic (location is usually the designation).

amber edge
#

i think that created more questions for me than answers πŸ˜…

abstract iron
#

I can only see pork 883c but not get to that node

amber edge
#

does it require nodes to be actively connected to the internet at all times?

mortal wind
#

instead of depending on LoRa completely for nodeinfo, MQTT takes care of that and quickly encrypts contact instead of wating for the handshake to complete

amber edge
#

what's the benefit of it? besides showing up on a map. i thought the whole point of meshtastic's routing is that nodes don't need to be discovered in order for them to be relayed

mortal wind
amber edge
#

how does the longer reach work?

mortal wind
# amber edge how does the longer reach work?

Like a guestbook. If there was any info that you had a presence on nyme.sh with the same public key, any other nodes who are on that topic would auto accept the node because the node was on the same topic at a previous time..

amber edge
#

why does it extend the range though?

#

shouldn't messages be reachable, regardless of whether they have MQTT enabled?

mortal wind
#

and if the node hop count is greater than one, it takes a long time to show up on your node list if going through LoRa only.

amber edge
#

gotcha, that helps a bit with my understanding. i'll do some more reading on the website too

frail grotto
fervent nebula
# amber edge none of my nodes have MQTT enabled. tbh i still don't really know what MQTT is

The "OK to MQTT" is actually a flag that gets added to messages sent by your device, indicating that nodes are allowed to forward those packets to an MQTT server. Without that flag, the packets will not appear on any of the nyme.sh tools. In addition to the recording of data, MQTT on some servers (not MQTT.nyme.sh) can be used to bridge two distant nodes via the Internet and pass messages as though they were radio connected. The "Ignore MQTT" setting tells your node that messages that have come from a MQTT server should be ignored instead.

#

The other MQTT server settings are only applicable to Internet connected nodes, and set the mqtt server and service information.

glossy pine
#

I’m going to switch four or five different nodes to MF tomorrow around different parts of Brooklyn

fervent nebula
#

Some tools (MeshSense) don't bother to respect the OkToMqtt flag or use the MQTT service.

jaunty harness
#

You also don’t need MQTT setup to bridge now that there’s UDP

fervent nebula
mortal wind
jaunty harness
amber edge
jaunty harness
#

Boston mesh for instance uses MQTT to bridge to parts north of the city because they have a couple rouge repeaters downtown and can't get out otherwise

mortal wind
abstract iron
#

I think MQTT is interesting as a backup plan or for location reporting but it would be nice to stay RF-only if possible, excluding the Boston example. there are analogues elsewhere like ham links that use public IP to link voice systems that have local RF. cheating? or just usable? eh...

brazen spear
brazen spear
jaunty harness
#

Ah-ha! Well I was hearing it earlier but been a few hours, now I'm seeing !124d441a direct but no NODEINFO and even though it seems to be direct no SNR/RSSI to gauge the signal (it's like MeshSense doesn't know how to deal with non-LF?)

brazen spear
#

Do we need someone to do a survey of the ism band to see which freq slot is most unoccupied?

#

I'm thinking picking the best frequency would be more beneficial than a modulation change for reliability

south stone
#

I moved my node to Medium Fast, doubt I will get anything in NJ

jaunty harness
#

For now I see waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less airtime/channel utilization so while there’s certainly a more optimal slot we at least ditched sharing 15%+ utilization on 906.875

fervent nebula
#

yeah, I see 0% utilization πŸ˜›

jaunty harness
#

i think either 441a or myself has a channel misconfiguration - I see plenty of their packets but can't decode and always show "encrypted". since I was able to decode gardener's fcd0 node earlier I'm blaming 441a πŸ˜‰

fervent nebula
jaunty harness
#

lan/vlan/vxlan

fervent nebula
#

sure, but setting up a vxlan at a remote site is definitely more work than having mqtt from the device

jaunty harness
#

doesn't have to be separate devices though, traditionally the way presets were bridges is a raspi running mosquitto and multiple radios connected to and bridging via MQTT, now they just send all that traffic over localhost

#

other thing i've seen is 3 esp32 devices, two with radios, third just runs softap the other two connect to

daring moth
abstract iron
#

I'm down to no nodes visible

glass quest
#

When I switch to Medium Fast, not even a single node is discovered β€” even though I have a Yagi antenna on the roof!'

abstract iron
#

is Grand St up? I can't even see that

glass quest
#

Unlike Medium Fast, Long Fast worked properly last week β€” nodes were being discovered without any issues

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amber edge
#

Up to 20 nodes for me on MF

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abstract iron
#

jeez 1 h to NJ

frail grotto
abstract iron
#

I lost everything in mh when I got back to bk

frail grotto
abstract iron
#

can you get any TRs on anything?

amber edge
#

from my apartment not really, but i never had great connection here even with long fast

glass quest
amber edge
south stone
#

only seeing VYL0, CmWx, and P0NY

#

on medfast

#

ah

#

my msg was acked

glass quest
# amber edge can you post your meshtastic lora config?

I'm using both a RAK4631 and a SenseCAP tracker β€” one connected to an Android device and the other to an iPhone. They are successfully communicating with each other over Medium Fast using default settings.
Region: US
Mode: Medium Fast
Frequency Slot: 45

amber edge
#

cool, mainly making sure your slot was set correctly. how long have you been connected?

glass quest
#

I’ve switched back to LongFast and I’m reconfiguring it now. It should be up and running again in a few minutes.

south stone
#

anyone get my test msg?

glass quest
south stone
#

ok sent a ping

#

huh no ack

glass quest
#

yeah, nothing

south stone
#

need some staten island folks to move onto MF

glass quest
south stone
#

hmm, if u can, try pointing it to linden airport kldj

glass quest
south stone
#

lol no prob, probably best to keep it pointed there anyway

#

ok

#

something finally acked my Ping

glass quest
south stone
#

im basically an island rn in NJ, I dont think anyone else in NJ aisde from VYL0 is on medfast

south stone
#

got an ack from pony express mobile 🀯

frail grotto
#

Sorry was playying overwatch didnt see your origin ping

midnight mural
#

No MF activity in midtown all day.

Womp womp

frail grotto
#

thats what p0ny sees

jaunty harness
#

i may or may not have had my primary channel misconfigured, but I DEFINITELY screwed it up trying things...

#

it should be fixed now.. probably - and hey, I see myself!

frail grotto
south stone
#

lol, im all the way at the edge

jaunty harness
#

well i'm done messing with the femtofox for tonight, tomorrow see if its fixed for not

frail grotto
#

And I see the same with πŸ“¨

abstract iron
brazen spear
#

100 nodes 😁 just need the promicros attached

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midnight mural
#

Woah, that’s legit

#

My nodes were low or out of power….whoops, they are charging, I wonder if any node info gets down to you all outside of midtown

radiant lintel
#

o/

radiant lintel
blissful moon
south stone
#

Yup, in addition to VYL0, I see BOKN now

daring moth
blissful moon
#

any documentation about udp? would go through a vpn?

jaunty harness
#

yeah that's works if your VPN allows udp/vxlan, there's also a #1374849766248157246 thread worth looking at and there's also the super useful mudp python app to monitor the traffic

#

not sure if messing with the channels did anything but 2 new nodes and saw gardener's fdc0 as well over night

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vague geyser
#

New here. In lower Manhattan, device name RED, how do I test to see if it’s connected?

daring moth
vague geyser
#

I set to medium range-fast, and sent a message on the primary channel 0

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daring moth
gaunt bloom
jaunty harness
#

the sidekick is my personal favorite DIY node, just super small and easy to build with either smd or through-hole parts

jaunty harness
vague geyser
#

It seems like I am able to receive messages but it seems like my messages aren’t sending, will keep trying

IMG_1613.png
daring moth
vague geyser
#

I believe so

IMG_1614.png
midnight mural
midnight mural
#

Nothing goes in our out via RF 🀣🀣🀣

abstract iron
#

Pizza you too close to the UN or something, jamming πŸ˜‚

abstract iron
whole basalt
#

I have been on MF now for 1 day - only saw 1 node. No one on now. I am in upper east side.

amber edge
#

i know there are still people who haven't migrated to MF yet, so stay the course! but if this trajectory stays, i wonder if MediumSlow will be our sweet spot

#

(reminder the despite the name, mediumslow is faster than longfast)

abstract iron
#

the range seems to be significantly affected, because even though we have some of the highest or most present nodes switched over, we can't get anywhere

daring moth
frail grotto
daring moth
daring moth
brazen spear
#

Documentation also suggests mediumslow has better range than mediumfast.

abstract iron
#

but this is just an impression I'm not sure how we could get metrics on this

fast spruce
#

I have 3 nodes on rooftops

#

Should I go and set them to medium fast

daring moth
normal osprey
fervent nebula
#

SST had 100+ nodes in the DB on LF; on MF after almost 24 hours I have 6 nodes and 0 messages or telemetry and all of my sent messages have been marked unheard. I think the range impact of going to MF is not worth. Would be willing to try MS instead.

normal osprey
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We’ve only had like 20 nodes switch over so far. I think it’s too early to call it.

brazen spear
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I think we should change to medium slow before more people put the work in to switch

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I feel like mediumfast failed our initial test.

normal osprey
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@brazen spear are your nodes still not talking to each other? that’s gonna be a good barometer for how things are working

brazen spear
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Correct

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But they are each functioning and connecting to folks

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But they are not linking the boroughs

normal osprey
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If Gardener’s nodes aren’t talking to each other on Medium Fast then Medium Fast probably isn’t gonna be the preset we land on

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I believe that’s also how other metro areas decided… test a preset and see if their key infrastructure nodes are still communicating

glass quest
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Is anyone online? Let’s try MediumSlow β€” I’m in Sunset Park.

normal osprey
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I’m not home to change my preset but will be later today

fervent nebula
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SST is now on Medium Slow in Brooklyn Navy Yard.

glass quest
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My node is named β€œSunset Park” with short name πŸ‘€ β€” switching to MediumSlow now for testing.

brazen spear
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Shall I switch mine over? I can do it in the evening.

amber edge
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i'm not going to switch any of mine until a week or two after july 1st

brazen spear
glass quest
amber edge
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i'd rather give medium-fast a full-hearted attempt before we write it off completely, even if it's completely quiet. at least we can say we thoroughly tried. i know a couple people who have been busy and haven't had time to switch their nodes from long-fast

glass quest
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On medium-fast, communication range drops dramatically β€” especially in a high-interference environment like NYC. Without line of sight, even seeing 1 mile between antennas is a miracle.

amber edge
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i'd be open to shortening the trial from 2 weeks to 1 week though

south stone
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yep, I'd say we give at least a week for medfast

frail grotto
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I'm in Manhattan next to P1NY and I can no longer hear P0 and P4

south stone
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bunch of nodes on staten island were helpful getting the mesh connected to NJ (beside Jersey City), they arent on medfast yet (or I cant hear em)

frail grotto
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One week on MF should be the metric. but this looks like unless we get dktower and the few nodes from Staten Island don't think mf is our radio settings

south stone
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I know other metros had setup a node to send a regular msg on LongFast to move over to the new profile

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maybe someone can do that

cyan drum
jaunty harness
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Jumping presets during testing invalidates the testing

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X started with A then swtiches to B means X isn’t testing anything but their ability to switch A->B and by not sticking on A for the duration also skews the results for all because it’s no longer a test of A

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1 weeks on MF then 1 week on MS seems like the move since there appears to be some impatience, but the mesh is dynamic and just calling it after 24hrs isn’t good measure - what I see today is already 4x what I saw yesterday for instance

rare sparrow
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I can only see myself and BRRN

normal osprey
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This test is already setup for failure. There has been no prep, no data points on LF that we can compare with MF, and no criteria for what a success or failure looks like.

What we should have done is:

  • have a discussion about the trade-offs of potential presets we want to try
  • identify key infrastructure nodes
  • confirm the key nodes are talking to each other on LF
  • define what success looks like (can the key infra nodes still communicate? or are they out of range now?)
  • define what failure looks like

Just moving to a random preset and messaging each other to see how things β€œfeel” isn’t going to accomplish a whole lot. This should be a data driven decision.

Thankfully, gardener has infra nodes he knows were communicating before and are not now. That alone doesn’t equate to failure but it’s a good data point to have.

amber edge
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what you're describing would be great, but what we lack is folks stepping up and taking initiative on those bulleted points. and until then, i'm personally okay with the vibes-based low-fi timed rollout we're doing.

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whether we like it or not, we are learning how medium-fast is (and isn't) working out for us right now, which is the point. it's ironic you're proposing more structure around our testing when yet you advocate for ditching our current approach

normal osprey
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I’m not advocating for ditching our current approach. I was one of the first ones to move to MF when we started this test. I’ve been posting data points and running tests since we started so not sure what you’re on about. I also posted that only about 20 nodes have switched so far so that’s not enough to call this a failure yet.

Just having worked at software companies most of my career, I’m giving my input on how this testing could be improved now or in the future.

amber edge
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as someone who has worked at software companies my whole career i have no idea why it's relevant to the conversation here lol

normal osprey
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Data driven decision making. Do you not do that at your software companies?

glass quest
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What was the reason behind this change?

Faster communication?

More airtime?

Less interference?
amber edge
glass quest
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I wish a notice had been sent through Meshtastic before the change β€” that way, many people who don’t check Discord would have been informed.

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I posted this announcement in the Long Fast channel:
NYC Mesh has begun testing on Medium Fast. We kindly ask anyone who wishes to contribute to this testing process to switch to Medium Fast."

brazen spear
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I don't know how many people will get that message with my nodes already on mediumfast

daring moth
normal osprey
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We could strike a balance between the type of proper preparation most of us don’t have time for and switching without a plan or proper notification.

It’s easy for those of us with window nodes to switch presets but people who have rooftop solar nodes in different locations have to spend way more time switching/testing.

midnight mural
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Great, @normal osprey volunteered to plan out our next test πŸ™‚

normal osprey
glass quest
rare sparrow
normal osprey
midnight mural
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I do agree someone with the chops to script it to blast LF hourly we are on MF

glass quest
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Actually, if this node switched to Medium Fast, there would be a significant increase in mesh coverage

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fervent nebula
rare sparrow
fervent nebula
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There's a co-located node named Quasimodo (QMO2) which has been (and remains) on Medium Fast.

amber edge
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Are you sure you were on the right channel?

glass quest
fervent nebula
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Next time I'm in the office I'm just going to take all the unused nodes and set them up in the window next to each other, one on every default preset.

glass quest
normal osprey
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Is anyone seeing more than 20 nodes on MF so far? Trying to get an idea of how many nodes have switched.

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Maybe next test, we’ll have a β€œsign-up” sheet where people can list their nodes they will be switching, approximate location, etc

glass quest
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@fervent nebula nothing so far

fervent nebula
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yup

abstract iron
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I'm getting up near 15-20 at work in Chelsea that have node appearance in last 2 h or so

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but at home nothing basically

amber edge
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33 on MF for me (17 show as "online")

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it was ~20 this morning

normal osprey
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Would love for us to get 60+ and test since that’s about where the Meshtastic article said LongFast becomes unreliable. Would be interesting to see how MF handles 60+ nodes.

glossy pine
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The best reason to use medium fast is so we can call each other MFers

abstract iron
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omg someone actually saw my message

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I sent that from Chelsea

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you gonna be waiting for that MFing acknowledgement for a while πŸ˜‚πŸ«‘

normal osprey
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These MFers actually ack faster than LF πŸ˜‚

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MF definitely leads in shitposting potential

jaunty harness
normal osprey
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That makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

jaunty harness
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word - considering I easily heard 100 nodes with the airframes cav filter we're probably closer to 200ish already since there's still blackholes

abstract iron
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pork I saw you ack becc did you see me?

jaunty harness
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heh that's the msg i've seen on MF so far

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everythings 0 or 1 hop though

abstract iron
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can someone find all those nodes that bridge us. is Kellogg's running a node or something

jaunty harness
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i still have yet to see grand or vernon

abstract iron
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and get them on MF

jaunty harness
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kellogg's is way too low vs everything that's been built up around it past 20 years

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there was someone on the north/east side of the park on LF like 6months ago but then disappeared

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pretty sure it was DPRK (close enough to pork that my brain decided to retain it)

fervent nebula
jaunty harness
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(ultrafox is sitting on my desk hopping through femtofox so still CM)

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glossy pine
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I had some delays bc of work but I’m going to bike around changing my nodes at various friends house’s now. Mostly around wburg

frail grotto
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P2NY went from 20% utilitaion to 2.9%

jaunty harness
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Hehe don’t think I’ve seen anyone >5% on MF

south stone
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I wonder if someone could put an omni node on wtc

jaunty harness
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There was one on ~100th flr but died, there’s since been on that’s ~85th flr of 1WTC IIRC and one at 4WTC

south stone
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If someone was able to mount one on the top with a 1W + 6dB ant

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One can dream

jaunty harness
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hehe, needs a filter - the 100th flr one was seeing crazy util #s

south stone
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That map woudnt be too far off. I used agl of 406m

jaunty harness
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hrmm, it's assuming perfect 360 coverage which isn't likely to be the case

glass quest
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I want to do a test tomorrow or on Friday. I’m planning to attach the SenseCAP tracker to a drone, fly it up to 120 meters (legal limit), and keep it airborne for 15–20 minutes. I’ll be testing on Medium Fast. Do you think it’s better to put it in router or repeater mode?

daring moth
glass quest
glossy pine
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Reconfirming that the ack speeds are cf on mf (crazy fast on medium fast)

abstract iron
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it's faster on this MFer

jaunty harness
# glass quest But that's exactly my goal β€” we can't communicate using Medium Fast, and I want ...

Running a client would rebroadcast the same as repeater or router - router_late is the one that wouldn’t preempt clients and actually serve a beneficial purpose for retransmission. 15-20mins I’m guessing is a battery life limitation but also not a great window of time for clients that are on much wider windows for sending telemetry so sending out a message indicating the time would be very helpful to maximize the tests utility

brazen spear
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I believe we have low channel utilization because the nodes aren't meshing.

glossy pine
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If we just leave it in mf and keep pushing on LF for people to switch for a few weeks I bet we can get it going a little

brazen spear
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If the best roofs can't talk to eachother with direct los then a citywide network that doesn't require 7 hops isn't possible.

glossy pine
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With def no LOS

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While sitting inside by a window

jaunty harness
glossy pine
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Anyone running mf lower Manhattan I can bike by and test ranges

mortal wind
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Aye everyone, I heard that there were some weird pockets of interference, espeically in squares. I wanted to do further testing but ahh stomach flu.

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Yeah the Squares kill any reach

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So far I tested Herald, Greenly, @feeb did some sest msgs on times, I haven't checked washington, mad, or union.

jaunty harness
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nice! well, on the tests at least - thanks for doing that! we still got few days left on MF and then MS next week so plenty of testing to do once you're over the stomache flu

mortal wind
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@fervent nebula what's the retention of stats on nyme.sh? is there a way to export the information for this test?

frail grotto
jaunty harness
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GHFC just showed up for me @ 1hop

exotic merlin
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Oops; I just used remote admin to change the preset on a node and then wondered why I couldn’t then change the name of the main channel.

I guess Owl will be out of commission for awhile.

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Does anyone have any tips for using remote admin to migrate a node to medium fast?

south stone
exotic merlin
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I assume I can’t edit it because it’s now on Medium Fast but in a channel named LongFast, so the remote admin interface doesn’t have a channel to it.

Oh! I can just mirror it on my local device can’t I

jaunty harness
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did you explicitly set the channel name to LongFast or just leave it default/blank?

exotic merlin
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Set it explicitly I imagine. Is that not required? Didn’t know that.

jaunty harness
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i'm still not 100% on what the python-cli is doing for --ch-medfast vs --set lora.modemPreset MEDIUM_FAST --set lora.usePreset true

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but I also got a little hungup on using it to update the channel name, because it gets really complainy if you try and set it to blank

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and yeah, if left blank it should automagically set the name to the preset

exotic merlin
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Hmm. I’m mirroring the settings but Channels is staying gray.

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jaunty harness
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huh, and you can actually access LoRa config?

exotic merlin
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I can. That part is done.

jaunty harness
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huh... were you using the "legacy" admin channel method or the pubkey remote admin?

exotic merlin
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Oh. Not sure.

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Public key I imagine. I have my keys set on the remote device e

jaunty harness
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ahhh k, yeah that's the channel-less/newer way

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i've had ios/macos remote admin be a little weird sometimes where i'll go to a setting and it's like OH NO I HAVEN'T CONFIRMED YOU CAN REMOTE ADMIN and then go back to main settings screen and go back into same setting and it's fine, and had it happen per setting but the grey out channels i just dunno

fervent nebula
frail grotto
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30 nodes and 2.59 channel utilization on πŸ“¨

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brazen spear
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You can set your remote admin device to whatever you believe your node is set to (i.e. mf modulation, freq slot 20) then change the freq slot to 45

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So you shouldn't need to change the channel name for it to work with the rest of medium fast

amber edge
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Up to 43 nodes over here, but can only get trace routes to complete for a few

jaunty harness
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Without a channel configured named appropriately and psk AQ== it won’t send out metrics/location that others can decode*

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So it may rebroadcast but won’t show up for people other than !userid and encrypted packet

ashen venture
ashen venture
abstract iron
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hey I'm 1 hop to Hops

abstract iron
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well that's a fluke but I took the donk outside and haqer can see me... with a mystery hop in between

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well haqer you can hear the donk but I can only hear you with the t1e

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so at least that's typical

normal osprey
fast spruce
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So far is medium fast working

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I'm asking so that if it's better and the community is going to move to it then I'll go and move the nodes over

abstract iron
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Haqer I actually got a direct confirmation of one of the msgs... not sure what path it's taking

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TR is zero for me thus far except when I'm at work and Hoboken 1W is easy to hit

normal osprey
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I can TR to P1NY 0 hops there and back consistently every time… but that’s to be expected since we are right across the river from each other.

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mortal wind
abstract iron
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I did TR maybe P2NY from Chelsea also..I think

abstract iron
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understood/observed

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like there's no way I can get a TR to pork even tho that used to be 75 percent possible

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and I'm seeing his nodeinfo

abstract iron
frail grotto
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i stand corrected

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midnight mural
glass quest
midnight mural
fervent nebula
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I'm attempting to trace every node in my nodeDB right now. Yeah sure, I've gotten an occasional nodeinfo or telemetry from 30 nodes, but so far not a single trace response or message confirmation. For my purposes this aint a mesh.

glass quest
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TR LongFast wasn’t working either, at least on my iPhone.

karmic junco
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when I get home I'll switch everything to MF.

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my only issue is that its bad enough in LF where I can barely get out at sea level, 10 percent less is ... deathly!

jaunty harness
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no man... it's the "vintage" meshtastic experience πŸ˜„

#

(pretty sure I made the same joke last test)

jaunty harness
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but who are the hoppers

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normal osprey
jaunty harness
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i think it's less the range than the change in noise floor

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(which does affect our already very limited range vs wide open spaces)

maiden thistle
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I’m having no luck on MF in Bay Ridge, Boro Park and Midwood. Are we testing until Sunday night?

midnight mural
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I’m in β€œMidtown Man-Hole” still

abstract iron
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finally saw you pork

abstract iron
mortal wind
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Ok back in midtown today, might go to LES to see if MF is truly reachable

abstract iron
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weird one ffff is back? from wb waterfront

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mortal wind
abstract iron
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whOs 4032

abstract iron
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becc?

jaunty harness
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picked up P1NY / P4NY and looks like PYT! also joined the MFers

fervent nebula
abstract iron
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oh nice thank you. I was starting to see becc from the western side of Roosevelt island

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I just did a whole loop over to Bushwick Inlet, into Queens, around Roosevelt Island, and back. mostly I just see P?NY and PYT. other behavior the same. T1E hears what Donk doesn't, donk gets me out

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saw this at the top facing N. auto?

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jaunty harness
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if you saw them @10.25db you were reaaaaaaaally close

abstract iron
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yeah I was able to message them. no response. didn't seem to be fluctuating (like as if it was a car moving)

abstract iron
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wait, repurposed node then...

mortal wind
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looks like dkTower is holding an infra space.

gloomy yacht
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im 4032. i saw the messages from earlier but wasnt around to reply

daring moth
amber edge
rare sparrow
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where is "I see 0 nodes" πŸ˜…

daring moth
rare sparrow
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they switched for 2 minutes and switched back

daring moth
rare sparrow
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ohh..

fast spruce
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when odes the medfast trial end

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when is the deadline

abstract iron
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I don't think there's a set deadline. people were suggesting 1 week. we would need to coordinate with gardener and Lordwithpet for the exit day (IMHO)

frail grotto
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Just let me know with a day advance and I can swap whenever

normal osprey
abstract iron
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I saw your node earlier but kinda cheated because I was just at inlet heh

#

if that didn't work was going to give up on this MF entirely

jaunty harness
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Window fox went down, only have 1 phase of electrical at the moment and UPS it and cable modem are on just ran out of juice

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Unfortunately it’s the OTHER phase I needed to go offline ensuring the buildings cameras are offline and I can sneak onto roof

midnight mural
#

You paid off the wrong guy πŸ˜‰

jaunty harness
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I paid coned, no choice!

mortal wind
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I got ack, i’m in East village/alphabet city

abstract iron
jaunty harness
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🀷

#

fire dept had to rescue someone from elevator in building next door

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still only 1 phase but stuck the ikoka stick outside window and messed around in electrical panel to get innernet back up

amber edge
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3h left for the poll above. we can use the results of that to determine next steps for the trial #1202833898376138752 message

midnight mural
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I like the poll, great idea

proven grove
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Man... F' MF. My nodes out here like:

midnight mural
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I think this sums up NYC pretty well. This is my ADS-B stuff. I have two, TWO whole feeder setups at home and the office. Visiting friends with a less expensive and less awesome setup sitting in a guest room, and you see the difference.

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amber edge
# amber edge
poll_question_text

How’s the MediumFast switch going? (Select as many as applicable)

victor_answer_votes

14

total_votes

35

victor_answer_id

3

victor_answer_text

I see fewer nodes than before

feral briar
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hello all! I'm just learning about Meshtastic. I ordered a T1000-E - but is there some better recommend hardware?

midnight mural
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I carry the t1e around on client mute@4 hops. Does ok sorta on the tx side. Listens really well

fervent nebula
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The problem with sending on 4 hops is if you get responses at 3, you might never know.

jaunty harness
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tell that to the 7 hoppers πŸ˜„

feral briar
#

I'm also thinking about this one... https://a.co/d/e0OMTAX

T114 V2

Mesh Node T114 Board with Case and 950mAh Battery, TFT Display nRF52840 SX1262 Module Set Support LoRa Bluetooth 5.0 GPS Solar Panel Power Supply for Meshtastic Arduino LoRawan IOT (915MHz Antenna)

daring moth
abstract iron
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t1e is great. easy to carry. nodeinfo blast button, great tx

proven grove
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It's in my EDC rotation.

daring moth
proven grove
feral briar
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Does Heltec ship from China? I'm impatient πŸ˜†

proven grove
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They do.... $$$$$$$$$

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Well πŸ’° & πŸ•™