us - NYC metro

[jaunty harness]

you can do a double-tap on user button to trigger ad-hoc ping which should be NODEINFO, I'm not 100% on that though (the NODEINFO part, the ad-hoc ping def works)

[wet shard]

If I full erase and upgrade firmware, losing my private key and generating a new one, and trigger ad-hoc ping, existing nodes that have pinned my old public key will update their nodedb with my new one?

So the only thing I’d need to impersonate someone is fake my nodeinfo to theirs and double tap?

[fast spruce]

the heltec meshpocket uses nordic chip and at 10kmah thats like a mouth of battery

but i respect the commitment to RAK

@jaunty harness how good is the lora tranceiver on this

[fast spruce]

datasheet

[jaunty harness]

SX1262 is basically the standard, same Semtech radio RAK uses and what you're most likely to find. SX127x is older design and in some devices like LilyGo T-Beam (non-supreme) which has issues talking to the newest LR1110 / LR1121 Semtech radio used in the

127x can be used with LR11x0 IF there's a 1262 in between to rebroadcast, until* 3.x which should fix the non-stanadrd LoRa sync-word that causes the issue

[abstract iron]

woo woo storm

update this is the amount of water to take out my portable solar node heh

[fast spruce]

Bro my ANI2 node went offline

Oof

Big oof

Pray

[fast spruce]

My brother studies in a boarding school in Buffalo NY and he has a few buddies mainly cousins and stuff and they are all not allowed phones now the campus they are in is pretty large like 7acres so what's a good (cheap) aio device they can use to communicate

I work IT for that campus so I can install a rooftop node on their buildings if needed

[abstract iron]

I opened it up. It's just a few drops of water inside. I wonder if it was also overheating, because the last sensor reading was 114 F

[fast spruce]

Put it in a bag of silica gel

[fast spruce]

Totally dry

Weird?

[daring moth]

Anyone want to ask the people behind https://www.youtube.com/@woodsidetraincam to install a Meshtastic node?

[fast spruce]

Back in buisness baby

[abstract iron]

it's fine of course. just dried it out. nice hardware

doing the 2.6.11 update while I have it inside....

[jaunty harness]

ah nice - my guess would be the antenna is where the ingress happened? only part that seems like it has a gap

[abstract iron]

yes i think that seems suss. tbh I didn't even have it silicone taped at the moment

now I retaped it

it did somehow dump its config in this process of getting wet

did serial meshtastic CLI and back in biz

[jaunty harness]

awesome!

[abstract iron]

it actually came with a SMA (header? what do you call it) to solder onto the board if you wanted to use an ext antenna

but I didn't try that because it would stealth--

[fast spruce]

@jaunty harness

T deck?

[abstract iron]

side note, the Meshtastic plugin for HomeAssistant is really buggy. kind of dangerous really bcause it can hang up HA. suggest a side MQTT broker or something to pass msgs around

[daring moth]

LILYGO T-Deck Plus with external (SMA) antenna, and make sure to purchase an antenna separately, as IIRC it's not included.

[daring moth]

That would likely be necessary.

[fast spruce]

thats like 100 per

oof

what about regualr t deck with 3d printed componates @daring moth

[daring moth]

For that product, you'll need to purchase a battery separately, and you'll miss out on the included GPS. With that in mind, it could be a reasonable alternative.

[abstract iron]

hey a new WB node. Kangaroo

[jaunty harness]

it's one of W2ASM's (see also: hops)

[jaunty harness]

yeah, sounds like you need a fully standalone unit which unless you're gonna DIY is a T-Deck/T-Deck Plus until the LilyGo Pager is more readily available. there's also a channel in #1196916552725958706 for the buffalo area IIRC might be someone up there to coordinate with

[fast spruce]

brooooooooooo

this thing is fire

fold out antennas?????

lilygo was cooking

esp32 so not great battery life

but still

[jaunty harness]

heh a lot of their stuff seems kinda throw shit at the wall and sees what sticks, the pager though - intentionally or not they def nailed it

[fast spruce]

Ya

Reminds me of so.e Motorolas

If anyone needs 3d printed cases for nodes and will pick them up I am willing to give away a few free cases

I have some filament that's been sitting

And I wanna do some good

Cheers

[fast spruce]

ooooooof

Fails?

Or just old cases

That's a kgs worth

[jaunty harness]

Some spares, some changed colors, some new case

[fast spruce]

Bro is rich

[jaunty harness]

Nah that’s like 1/2 spool all combined

Bro used to have a lot more free time 😉

[fast spruce]

U have any other printers

I was planning on getting bambu but their very closed source nature put me off

I'ma stick with ender

And maybe a prusa

[jaunty harness]

They’re all on my GitHub - 7 total but I only really use the VzBot or the v0.2

[fast spruce]

7????

He's rich

Bros got space in his house too

[jaunty harness]

I paid for only one, ended up in situation where buddy was heavily involved with his company’s maker lab during pandemic. They’d send me the kits they were looking at stocking (send to people really) and in exchange for feedback I got to keep the printers

[fast spruce]

What profession are u in?

[jaunty harness]

Skip* all the contractor paperwork

DevOps/IT

[fast spruce]

Cool

Nice

Cybersex officialy and I also have a few personal clients that pay for msp services

Cyber security

Autocowreckt

[jaunty harness]

LOL

[daring moth]

You can edit messages.

[fast spruce]

Ik

But it was too funny to throw away

[jaunty harness]

But that’s not as fun for ones like that, yeah

[fast spruce]

Hah

We were thinking the same thing

It's my personal clients that give me unprecedented access

To rooftops and shit

About 20 in nyc

And 15ish outside NY

I'm planning on putting up nodes at all of them hopefully

I just need something cheap and easily deployable

[jaunty harness]

yeah sounds like you just to perfect your solar setup, everyone has their own recipe

other node you should have on your radar would be the Seeed nRF52840 + WioSX1262 kit - $10 and just basically solder battery to the pads, and solar usb to the usb-c

but it's also good for you to see what heltecs are like, and RAK, and the Seeed stuff - see what's actually working for you

and definitely get remote admin going, add 3 pubkeys from three devices so you have redundancy if like a firmware update whacks something out you have plan b and c to fall back on

[fast spruce]

https://www.seeedstudio.com/SenseCAP-Solar-Node-P1-Pro-for-Meshtastic-LoRa-p-6412.html

can this be done cheaper

or is it not worth the effort

[fast spruce]

insane redundancy

[karmic junco]

It can be done cheaper

Not significantly nowadays

Depends what you have lying around.

[fast spruce]

i see ur part of the ubiquiti discord so im guessing u use unifi equipment at home
i went insane with the whole redundancy thing spent wayyyyy to mmuch money

i fall for marketting too much

[karmic junco]

I think the 3350 capacity stated for each 18650 seems a bit of a reach.

[fast spruce]

ya unless its samsung lg or molicel i tend to not trust them

[karmic junco]

Consumer grade shit sucks now. You can't control anything. I kick myself every time I buy something not ddwrt or glinet

[fast spruce]

ya i got all unifi E lines

efg as firewall

enterprise switches

all that stuff

i regret it a bit

[karmic junco]

No.. I use a brume2..

I like my bits separate

Unless it doesn't make sense.

[fast spruce]

i tried to consolidate and ended up with 42u rack of crap

i dont know how it happoened

[karmic junco]

Well the main reasons for consolidation is a need or a need to save power.

[fast spruce]

theres 3 pages of containers

i started to move everything to self host

[karmic junco]

I had a rack. was eating about 1kw all the time.

[fast spruce]

how????

1kw??

[karmic junco]

Old equipment.

[fast spruce]

thats a space heater

[karmic junco]

Yep

[fast spruce]

my rack is staying under 200

[karmic junco]

Couple of 24 port switches

[fast spruce]

but the seconf the 4060s kick on

[karmic junco]

Older fiber equipment

Couple of raids

[fast spruce]

"couple"

lies

[karmic junco]

No lies

[fast spruce]

i am a data hourder

[karmic junco]

They were small 40gh

Gb

Old but still running

[fast spruce]

theres 3 nodes of this for high avalablity

oof

[karmic junco]

Couldn't stand to toss them but the power use was nuts

[fast spruce]

u sold?

[karmic junco]

Dude nobody wants old drives. Lol

[fast spruce]

what the capacity sizes

[karmic junco]

40gb

[fast spruce]

i read tb

oof

[karmic junco]

That's why.

I consolidated

[fast spruce]

to?

central high end nas

[karmic junco]

Just a mirrored 4tb

I didn't have much of a need the last few years.

And Synology fit the bill

No tinkering needed. Just works

As a file server anyways

[fast spruce]

oh man

i watch too much media

[karmic junco]

And low power consumption.

I have a Plex pass but I don't even really use it

[fast spruce]

the delete button is very hard to press for me

[fast spruce]

bro wehn plexstarting pulling the bs i left

[karmic junco]

Oh I hear ya.

[fast spruce]

as quick as i could

[karmic junco]

Lifetime pass

[fast spruce]

jelllyfin for life

[karmic junco]

So... What can I say

[fast spruce]

i left plex at 2020

has it gone any better?

[karmic junco]

Eh... Slightly better live TV ish integration.

[fast spruce]

ugh

the iphone carry more differences

[karmic junco]

Don't really use it much

[fast spruce]

i used ti pay 100+ in streaming

[karmic junco]

Plex and Roku are very similar. Ish

[fast spruce]

thank god for novaspirit to show me the way

rip

[karmic junco]

On a different note, the T-Mobile Starlink does work

[fast spruce]

i got approved for the beta

i used it once

messages take forever to send

[fast spruce]

i have tmo HI on my roof for backup

its connected as second wan

its not really a real backup bc well towers

starlink would be better for this

but im not trying to play 80 fo backup internet

[karmic junco]

30

[fast spruce]

that what ur paying????

howwww

[karmic junco]

Tmo is a backup if you have cable or fiber

[fast spruce]

i have fiber

fios

[karmic junco]

You live in NYC?

[fast spruce]

ye

[karmic junco]

It's 30 if you hace regular starlink

For an add on mini

You can get the residential lite + free regular panel

I only pay 30 for 1gbps fiber + ESPN/Disney/hulu

And I don't even watch ESPN or hulu

I don't need anything more. I care about latency..

And no, I don't have Starlink (yet)

Although Awfully tempted for no good reason

How are you doing your TMO fail over?

[fast spruce]

@jaunty harness
Why is it that I can send a message and the receiver can have really good snr and hey still won't receive it

Should I leave my mesh gpt publically deployed or is it a waste of bandwith

So for it just responds to Dms only

[fervent nebula]

If you want to write up a note about it being available you could add it to the "Services on the Mesh" on the website. https://github.com/MeshNY/meshny.github.io

[fast spruce]

ya let me make the pythong scrypt a little better then i will prob add ot to nyme.sh

i want to add the abillity to be ablt to choose modles

and also make a web ui with stats on how much use

and also make a way for logs to be deleted after chat is closed

a few other fixes

if anyone wanna help pls dm im so lost

im not really a programmer

i just watch yt

[fervent nebula]

Quasimodo is back on the air on LF (QMOD) and MF (QMO2). No crossover/linking, no nodes seen on MF yet.

[bronze wren]

I'll maybe turn some of my RAKs back on for MF but I doubt I'll get much out here as RX is relatively weak activity on LF already.

I expect the only way to really test that will be coordinated swaps.

[mortal wind]

Setting WRDN to MF

oh Tdeck has a BT programming mode? I didn’t even know.

[jaunty harness]

yeah when you go to power off press the BT logo on the reboot/bt/shutdown icon screen and then it can talk to the meshtastic apps as the MUI is disabled (and otherwise it uses the single API connection available) - press logo again to get out of it

I still have an nRF52840 + WioSX1262 kit node in another window on MF, only contact so far has been Zilla when he was a couple blocks away 😄

[jaunty harness]

can be "stale" SNR (e.g. they're mobil and moved somewhere else, or just "old" because it's a measurement from the last time you heard them), could be you have height and they can RX but their ack doesn't make it back to you because they don't have height. could be device thing (e.g. great RX, not as good TX) - lots of reasons unforunately making difficult to just say it was cause of X

[jaunty harness]

I've been seeing 🌹 pretty consistently both in Queens and around N Brooklyn, can also try swapping presets when you're close to areas with better coverage (but yeah, would also need MF coverage)

[bronze wren]

Yeah. Rose fails to receive traces back 99% of the time though.

The node it routes too sees to have poor RX.

but I also can't seem to get DMs out (even if the ack fails, I compare logs) so reliability is close to useless.

Also Rose was in BK a good part of yesterday so might be why you saw that node.

About to take that one and pick up another I had left around Gowanus yesterday and bring them back... not looking forward to biking in the heat though.

[fast spruce]

@jaunty harness

im using a t1e as the gatway fot the ollama server and on that same builfing on the roof is a node with a antenna and everythign

is it petter to just redo the scrypt so that ollama connects to the node over IP directly to the rooftop niode

[fast spruce]

some prgress on the meshgpt integration

got a webui working

@midnight mural

i mad this just for you lol

[mortal wind]

Arrg stuck in prog mode. Time to reflash

[fast spruce]

big oof

remind sme i should prob backup my keys

[mortal wind]

Definitely. Backed up my keys for sure.

[wet shard]

anyone using more than just the default longfast AQ== channel? And if so, I'm curious what for.

[mortal wind]

got WRDN reconfigured again on nyme.sh. Now I wait 😫

[daring moth]

Some people are putting spare nodes on MediumFast AQ==, both to experiment, and to hopefully only have nodes with the latest firmware on the mesh.

[mortal wind]

transmitting messages between my nodes, and they are not picking each other up 😩

[abstract iron]

I was just near Barclays and was able to hit the Hops BBS for a moment

[mortal wind]

Direct connection?

[abstract iron]

Yes. It stopped replying to me though, even though I was getting direct confirmation

also the grocery/co-p GH.... was high signal

co-op

[jaunty harness]

there's some non-LongFast/AQ== chatter from what I see in Meshsense (LongFast/AQ== is channel 0) - it's not unheard of setup to move default channel to a secondary slot and then you have a private one on primary slot (affects some metrics/telemetry reporting and like Range Tests IIRC; I know you can do different position precisions per channel so say a family channel with exact position but still default .9mile precision on the "public" one)

[normal osprey]

oh hey, i see my smorgasburg window T-Echo!

[jaunty harness]

hehe just happened to be in between !93090162 (of which I don't know longname) talking with cat on a private channel

[jaunty harness]

is the T1000E getting an ack from the roof node? maybe set the T1000E to +1 hop if it's relaying through the roof ?

[fervent nebula]

As far as coordinating a switchover I'm just going to dual deploy nodes from now on. I've got enough hardware, I'm pretty sure I can't be the only one in here. If the switch ever actually happens I can switch off my LF nodes or use them for announce bots or something.

[fast spruce]

This took way longer than expected

Try it out

[normal osprey]

i can’t see this node. what area is it located?

[normal osprey]

I have the A1 mini 😂

[abstract iron]

btw I've been seeing these proto decode errors also. what the hell is this? I looked for a new meshtastic CLI version but didn't see anything since May

[fast spruce]

Jackson heights

[fast spruce]

Correct me if I'm wrong

But from my understanding these errors are to do with old metastastic versions not being able to be parsed

And also maybe some radios from semtech can't talk to the new ones or something

I don't know porkcube could clarify maybe

@jaunty harness

[jaunty harness]

OH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

i thought that was something in my local env

if it's not just me though... 🤔

looking at it in work mode... fuck it's right there

forget Liebiko0<?> aka !0c3a9bb0 - then set it to ignore

[fast spruce]

?

[jaunty harness]

unexpected end of data in field: meshtastic.protobuf.User.long_name

[fast spruce]

Explain like I'm 5

So my theory was totally off

Lol

[jaunty harness]

somehow they inserted a non-utf8 char in their device LongName

[fast spruce]

How

Wtf

[jaunty harness]

and python craps out trying to decode

[fast spruce]

That's possible

[fast spruce]

JavaScript would explode

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-explosion-computer-computer-explosion-cartoon-explosion-crying-explosion-gif-8847726389778507575

[jaunty harness]

Error while parsing FromRadio bytes:b'"r\x08\xb0\xb7\xeaa\x12H\n\t**!0c3a9bb0**\x12\tLiebiko0

[fast spruce]

Ok so set ignore and done

[jaunty harness]

delete it, then ignore

[fast spruce]

Ok

Cool

[jaunty harness]

otherwise it will stil have the longname in the db which is what's causing the error

[fast spruce]

Made with total trash

[jaunty harness]

w/o the longname it's just the !userid which shouldn't error

[fast spruce]

Ok

[jaunty harness]

now that I think about it didn't Willard mention it a while ago?

[fast spruce]

In work mode

Wild

Bros figured it out while typing

Insane

If this was me I would be here for days

[fast spruce]

Can anyone try making contact to this

[jaunty harness]

yeah i'm still in devops mode of staring at screenful of logs for the needle in the haystack

[fast spruce]

dman

when do u get off?

[jaunty harness]

i had just been ignoring the issue* sure I had screwed up something in my env and being too lazy to sort it out

[fast spruce]

if it works it works......

we all know the saying

if its not broken dont fix it

[jaunty harness]

done when the work is done, and the work is never done

[fast spruce]

lol

im stealing this

[jaunty harness]

confirmed fix: meshtastic --remove-node '!0c3a9bb0' && meshtastic --set-ignored-node '!0c3a9bb0'

you'll know its fixed cause when it goes to run the 2nd cmd to ignore, no error

wishes we could pin messages, adds to nyme.sh instead

[fast spruce]

This guy is the goat

Absolute madlad

@jaunty harness I have the PC in my house with a t1000e and on the roof is a heltec with a big antenna

Should I do client mute

[jaunty harness]

yeah your roof client and the rest client_mute when around it

that problematic node just popped up active for me so i msg'd them maybe they should change the name, really don't like ignore-ing someone who probably doesn't even realize they found a bug

last char

[abstract iron]

oh man thanks for digging into that. python is so stellar at utf8

./checks room for signs of people gritting teeth or having str/bytes/utf8 ptsd

[jaunty harness]

i feel personally attacked right now - it's been AT LEAST 2hrs since I mangled a string!

[abstract iron]

HEH HEH

[fast spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/fry-drool-futurama-gif-11543266

[abstract iron]

oh nice it worked. thanks pork

[jaunty harness]

not sure if my message made it to them because ... sending stopped meshsense -> meshtasticd connection 🤷

[fast spruce]

About that

When u send a message what does the cloud icon mean

And the person icon

[abstract iron]

cloud = some node (unknown who) picked up your msg and meshed it

person = the exact recipient got it

[fast spruce]

So this could be sent to not sent

[fast spruce]

Def received

[jaunty harness]

ty Uno!!

[rare sparrow]

Np!

[abstract iron]

has anyone tried to mesh from Governor's Island yet?

[jaunty harness]

I was literally looking at it 15mins ago thinking about spoofing the babelfox location onto the fort 😃

My other bright idea was firing up all the nodes with locations spoofed to form a ring around everyone that gets location fuzzed to grand/union

The formation idea ain’t gonna happen though, way too many nodes in close proximity for too long to propagate and be noticed, and idk if I have enough batteries and usb outlets (but it is probably close)

[abstract iron]

haha. can't you just fake it all with one femto?

that's the hat on the rpi right

just write arbitrary packets

(I'm not saying this is good for our melting nighttime chanutil)

[jaunty harness]

hmm not quite, femtofox is luckfox pico mini which is about equiv to original raspi b+ with 1/10th the ram

its hard enough running a single meshtasticd process let alone multiple in sim radio radio

the pcb was designed to also be usable as a raspihat though, like the libertymeshmess

[jaunty harness]

ooooooo https://www.youtube.com/shorts/mo8G4lYFrAs

[wet shard]

I wonder if we can map menu selections and actions to devices with only one button like the rak4361 - tap to rotate selections, long press to confirm. Double tap to exit?

Region on device is great

[jaunty harness]

it has new behaviour that supports short/long presses to activate screen specific menus and navigate them, pretty intuitive really. using on RAK 19007 right now (that'll be 2years old in 2 weeks!), about to load up on a BoardONE for the bigger OLED

gorgeous on the 1.3" - might be time to leave the t1000e at home for a new edc

[mortal wind]

I am so happy to invest in a Tdeck as my first go ahead. Seems like the flagship device the community is prototyping for.

If there is a way to have this as a seperate .elf binary 😫😫

I would reflash tactility again

[jaunty harness]

hmm think you need to compile from source to get an .elf

[fast spruce]

Facebook score

I'm gonna use this for meshgpt

4090

I got it for 800

Whole build

[mortal wind]

My primary is unencrypted ugh:

[jaunty harness]

that's default LongFast/AQ== ? that's "expected" in the sense that it shouldn't be thought of as encrypted/secure/private since everyone has the PSK

[mortal wind]

ah understandable. I am getting max transmission attempts and am connecting towards 30+ nodes directly

got direct connection to P4NY from east village

[jaunty harness]

heard you stay frosty and followup at 1!

[jaunty harness]

another one to ignore: Brooklyn Solar Mobile Node / !75b1fc80 which is a ROUTER and great example of someone who doesn't understand meshtastic roles

[mortal wind]

The furthest I got into queens from Brooklyn is node 1574

[jaunty harness]

ahh i saw that, there's a couple nodes in my db that overlap at that spot

[fast spruce]

how come sone nodes show up as new EVERY SINGLE TIME

like oopoo

and astoria mesh

i hate getting the messages

[jaunty harness]

older firmware that's more aggressive about NODEINFO when, from it's perspective, it first sees you (or what's actually happening, you cycled out and then back in their nodedb)

oopoo30 is extra shitty because ROUTER_CLIENT

[karmic junco]

@jaunty harness I saw your femtifox from 2 hops. Of course I was by atlas mall

[karmic junco]

The ball! Its all about the ball

[abstract iron]

here we go another storm. let's see if the silicone tape keeps the node going

[karmic junco]

Probably that stuff is tough

[coral flax]

What's the advantage of ignoring them?

[twin root]

when your in range of a router like that, it prevents your node from retransmitting other's messages

[jaunty harness]

yeah - ROUTERs are for the most amazing / highest of locations... and the worst choice you can make for a "mobile" node because you're just moving around something that diminishes the mesh's potential by preempting CLIENTs

also: Welcome!!

[fast spruce]

Is there nothing we can do to blacklist these nodes

Like what if a database was maintained and it would update and everyone in NYC mesh would have some type of scrypt on client side to update the blacklist on their nodes

[jaunty harness]

every node needs to ignore it which isn't really viable so it's more for those who have a great placed node

[fast spruce]

Or am I dreaming

[jaunty harness]

dreaming - not everyone has access / remote admin

[fast spruce]

Oof

Do we know where these nodes are?

[jaunty harness]

it's also something moving off LongFast would gain us - since those that insist on running old firmware with an Infra role and are non-communicativate can stay on LongFast

[fast spruce]

Give them a forced update lol

[fast spruce]

But pple who are new to mesh here in NYC won't know that

I only came to this discord bc I had issues

[twin root]

I have a script I wrote - It checks for misconfigured nodes and then adds them to a list, then every 3 hours it syncs blacklists between nodes (this requires admin key config) this is for burning man so that I dont have to baby the 3-4 infra nodes and blacklist in the case someone misonfigures. I will clean it up and make it public.

[fast spruce]

Coooool

[jaunty harness]

we do plan to keep something on LF to inform people that we changed Presets - if the people who are ignoring LongFast already I would like an agreement in place we're just gonna blanket ignore them because they hurt the mesh since we can communicate it better

[coral flax]

Thank you

[fast spruce]

Oh like those mesh nodes that say to visit nyme.sh

[coral flax]

Can't a global ignore list added to the clients? or regional ignore list? so we have a github repo with a list of nodes to ignore, that the mobile apps/web client downloads and ignores automatically?

[coral flax]

Which preset should I change to?

Also, the link to the "ignore" spreadsheet should be pinned to this thread...

[fast spruce]

How will the rollout work

[jaunty harness]

stay on LongFast for now, the eventual change will be coordinated (which is sort of why we have only done some testing)

[fast spruce]

For switching preset

[coral flax]

Thank you 🙂

[fast spruce]

Logistically it's pretty hard

[jaunty harness]

need a more permissive discord role to pin messages in threads last time I checked

[coral flax]

@jaunty harness right... so how can I find it now? I've seen it yesterday, but didn't understand what am I seeing 🙂

[jaunty harness]

not sure, for now if you've access the page once should be in your sheets history to get back to it easily

[coral flax]

I'm opening like 50-60 sheets/day, the chance of finding it in my history is pretty slim, but I'll try

[jaunty harness]

it's not a super long list, and a day or two on the mesh you should discover them via RF - the ones running ROUTER or ROUTER_CLIENT roles - except the one out in NJ Louis Meshtastic - it's on newer firmware where ROUTER_CLIENT is actually just a normal CLIENT but makes them feel special

[jaunty harness]

a bookmark should suffice, otherwise we could add to nyme.sh easily

its also like a.. 3? day old we started doing

[coral flax]

cool, found it

[twin root]

I also have a bot I might deploy that just DM's the offending nodes 1x a day asking to kindly change their settings

might turn that on as well

[jaunty harness]

everytime i fire* up a non "pork - foo" node I start typing the message out but it always comes out sounding rude / obnoxious so I end up not sending it 😬

[wet shard]

Fine grained permissions would be nice. I don’t mind adding an ignorelist only admin key if that’s all it could set.

[amber edge]

link to the sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1sq3BRJoor_qA5V5I3R2snx2DRKBBFkDJpVh_uA24b2Y/edit?gid=0#gid=0

i guess we can't pin things to this thread?

[jaunty harness]

yeah need more Discord permissions than* we have

[bronze wren]

I used to ignore TAK roles too but I am in a quiet enough space that I don't manage an ignore list anymore.

[amber edge]

anyone know where i can buy solar nodes for <$75?

[jaunty harness]

[I spec'd something out the other day](#1202833898376138752 message)

there's also the harbor freight/lowe's solar garden light + seeed nrf52840/wiosx1262 kit which is probably the lowest buck

[abstract iron]

say wha

[jaunty harness]

haven't seen it 🤷

i look forward to the day we don't have share modem preset with this stupid repeater

[abstract iron]

well how's the July 1 switch plan going? who do we need besides gardener

how do you even get the location but no node info? I thought routers didn't send

[karmic junco]

Found some compatible t1000e chargers on Amazon. Yay

[fast spruce]

This heatwave is insane

I used reflective duct tape on my outdoor nodes today

Hopefully helps the longevity of it

Going up on the roof at 2:00pm was a mistake tho

So damn hot

[glass quest]

Hello everyone

[jaunty harness]

that's just meshsense guessing, same as the owl - it thinks it's somewhere over there, probably (it's wrong more oft than right)

[glass quest]

Tried a rooftop antenna for the first time today — and wow, the results are amazing!

[jaunty harness]

height is might!

[abstract iron]

woo my gpio labs filter is out for delivery

hope my solar doesn't melt 😂

[frail grotto]

@jaunty harness are we officially swapping to mf on July 1st?

[jaunty harness]

🤷

[misty gorge]

damn.. AMR1 reporting 114.9F and AMR2 is at 112.6F.

[jaunty harness]

ideally we'd test MF / MS / SF and see which is actually best but starting to feel like maybe we just go with MF for now and when Gardener has more availability in Fall/Winter we can coordinate testing, otherwise micro apparently has remote admin to the same nodes - but yeah, basically a coordination/communication thing

[jaunty harness]

shoulda swapped them out, we're now in disgusting weather season

[misty gorge]

I was just thinking the same thing. Like.. there was a small window.

I'm not even sure I'd want to climb the fucking metal ladder right now.. maybe with gloves.

[jaunty harness]

hehe, this upcoming weekend is looking not too bad but potential rain 😬

[misty gorge]

This may be the hotest my two nodes have seen.. maybe.

see if the batteries survive.

I'm actually pretty surprised they are both functional with the extreme cold and heat for almost 2 years now.

[jaunty harness]

RAK 8)

my first node will officially be 2 on 7/7, still works great despite ripping the bluetooth ipex connector off the cpu/radio module and feeding >6.5V to the solar input (well, the solar input doesn't working anymore but rest does!)

[misty gorge]

AMR2 on the old ass firmware has been solid and hasn't gone down since I put it up.. AMR1 has only been brought down by firmware.

the hardware has been solid.

[daring moth]

If you do, I'd recommend following the guidance within this app: https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/heat-stress/communication-resources/app.html

[misty gorge]

COOL!

[daring moth]

Though I don't believe it has any specific information about metal surfaces.

[jaunty harness]

Not Cool!

[misty gorge]

Still cool to browse.

[jaunty harness]

the signs of heat stroke/exhaustion are nice touch, really easy to not pay attention to those

[misty gorge]

My gf decided she wanted to take a walk last night at 9pm.. we got literally down to the end of the block and she was like.. nope.... turning around.

it was that bad last night with no sun... can't imagine what it's like out there right now. Working from home today with AC. haha

[jaunty harness]

Hehe i like you can see *who's temp sensor equiped node is indoors or outdoors by the sensor (was same during winter)

[misty gorge]

I just browsed my node list.

some are in the 90s and 80s.. wonder if it's shade or some windows.

There is a brooklyn node that is reporting 114.. so likely on a roof like my nodes.

[jaunty harness]

yeah Zilla's solar was 45C yesterday but only 30% humidity, right now it's 45C but 66% humidity 😬

need to get some of that coolfilm heat reflective stuff

[misty gorge]

like the silver tape stuff?

[abstract iron]

dumb question but I wonder if the battery is supposed to run at these temps? heh

glad you can see its telemetry tho. solving a few issues while looking at others!

[misty gorge]

Probably reaching the limits of recommended operating temps.... but what are we gonna do?

[jaunty harness]

yeah sometimes silver but sometimes "clear" as meant for window treatments - basically anything that's heat reflective - some of the Austin guys use enclosure that come with the film already applied as I understand

and LiPo should be good to like 140F before its time to worry

runtime will def be diminished but no need to worry until it's >140F

[misty gorge]

Still time to get up to 140.... hahha.. its only 11 am

[jaunty harness]

get the SuperSoaker ready so can hose it down w/o having to climb 😄

[misty gorge]

haha.. imagine I do that.. and the freakin case just cracks.

hhaha

[jaunty harness]

LOL

[misty gorge]

AMR2 is now reporting 118

https://tenor.com/view/hot-deployed-nelly-hot-in-herre-cool-gif-13596976

it must be cooking cuz AMR1 lost some humidity in the enclosure also.

[jaunty harness]

ahhh! Zilla noticed that yesterday, as sun was heating things up the humidity was dropping

[misty gorge]

pretty cool to see.

I have one of those vents with the membrane.. but also some small silica packs in the case.

normally both nodes are around 50%

both in the mid 40s now.

[jaunty harness]

i wish my apt was <50% right now 😄

[misty gorge]

i'm at 46% inside my apt.

I'm only running the AC To keep 80 degrees though.. con ed bills have been getting crazier and crazier over the years.

[frail grotto]

I'm getting -2 fire damage in an aced office

[jaunty harness]

yeah I've been running the AC in "dehumidifer" mode which is better than "econo mode" which just cycles on/off and "on" which is just all-out blast

[abstract iron]

when I bike back over the bridge later ill try to double tap the t1e and see if I can grab telem

including temp

[daring moth]

Agreed. I'm surprised at how polished the app is, given that AFAIK it's developed by a federal agency.

[misty gorge]

AMR2 is at 120F and AMR1 is at 118

soooo continuing to go up.

[tame brook]

So I just got two Lilygo T-Decks and one is already set up and working but the other has no signal. Any ideas how to troubleshoot or somewhere I should look?

[glass quest]

First, check the LoRa region settings — is it set to US? If not, change it to US.
Second, check the Channel 0 settings — make sure they are set to the default values.
If everything looks correct but it's still not working, the LoRa antenna might have come loose, been disconnected from the mainboard, or wasn’t properly attached — please check that as well.

[tame brook]

Thanks so much. It’s set to US so I’ll check the channel settings and then open it up if need be!

[mortal wind]

Whats the default freq? 906.875?

I guess so: Got online with WDRN longfast

[blissful moon]

question.. is mqtt.nyme.sh MQTT working?

[mortal wind]

Yeah, its backhauling:

https://meshview.nyme.sh/chat

its working

[tame brook]

That fixed it! The frequencyslot was 0 and not 20.

[blissful moon]

Just for primary channel? or if I have a secondary I can use as well?

[mortal wind]

This is for the default primary AQ== logging LongFast and MediumFast, not for private channels so far.

alright, moving WRDN to MedFast now

[daring moth]

A value of zero means that the frequency slot is determined from the primary channel's (channel 0) name. That defaults to the name of the radio preset.

[tame brook]

Okay I have 4 functioning nodes now.

[blissful moon]

we are moving to Medium Fast? or is just a test?

[amber edge]

I'm planning to switch on July 1

[frail grotto]

What we need is a consensus if we are all migrating

[amber edge]

we have no method of building concensus in the community, and speaking for myself i don't have capacity to help establish that kind of agreement, so i'm just gonna yolo switch

but the mesh is currently unusable for me so i have nothing to lose

[wet shard]

im not looking forward to having to carry 2 phones and 2 devices to communicate, but hopefully that only lasts a year or two

fact is today people can just get a node, turn it on, set to 'US' and start chatting. that feels pretty powerful for network effects.

though the new ui makes that a bit easier

especially if LF is only gonna be broken/old nodes, that's gonna be a lot of disappointment from new users.

[jaunty harness]

part of the plan is to leave some nodes on LF to communicate the switch, 1000% agree it would be foolish to leave new-users with the not-so-great LF experience and not be able to grow our community

[ashen venture]

I had this discussion in the solar enclosure hardware discussion channel (harbor breeze) because I'm concerned about fire risks. Consensus was that 150F is closer to the fire risk temperature. For the harbor breeze units specifically, the Austin mesh folks reported no fires in Texas heat so it's probably okay. This isn't safety advice and I am cautious about fire safety from these.

I'm watching some of the harbor breeze nodes near me.

128F 132F in my backyard (flat orientation, it gets very hot that way). No effort to cool it, just a vanilla harbor breeze with internal antenna. I anticipate nothing should get warmer than this one.

112F on a rooftop. That one has aluminum foil run through the seal and around the outside. it's oriented perpendicular to the horizon so that it only gets direct sunlight at sunrise.

104F on a nearby hilltop. That one has copper foil instead of aluminum. I don't know the orientation but it's probably angled maybe 45*

I have another harbor breeze solar enclosure with a flexible straw on the top and bottom and a small 20mm x 20mm 60ma fan wired directly to the panel. that one is not replying to my pings so I wonder if the motor is causing interference with the antenna. Historically the fan didn't really make a difference in 80* weather

[jaunty harness]

oh yeah, 140F isn't a hardline as much as "when it starts hitting 140F, start paying close attention because you just entered the danger zone". austin also has some interesting challanges with humidity and pressure differentials when storms roll through (p3n has posted some pics of his setup in #solar-power of water ingress even though its "sealed" from rapid pressure shifts trapping moisture inside)

[frail grotto]

How exactly are you putting foil on the harbor breeze solar panels?

[misty gorge]

It's supposed to be 103f tomorrow??

[frail grotto]

Yep

[daring moth]

Even less cool:

[abstract iron]

I think my solar node is dead

but I can't get up from this blah blah meeting to go pull it down

certainly enough sun to keep itnrujnit

running

[jaunty harness]

huh yeah fell off my "active" nodes so been >60mins since last heard from it

[abstract iron]

yah poor guy 😦

[jaunty harness]

also NER0 is on the highway to the danger zone! (60C ~ 140F)

[abstract iron]

I did get my t1e test from the bridge into my always-home t1e but idk what mesh route

[jaunty harness]

hrmm, got it 1 hop so likely suspects are GrandSt / MPJ aka fa5a / SST

actually probably not haqer's fa5a - haven't seen it direct since the move 8/

[abstract iron]

rough agree on haqer yeh

zlls isn't on fire at least

or my window would be

[daring moth]

Here's one unintentional benefit to this heatwave that I thought of. Hopefully it kills off some of the nodes on old firmware and/or infrastructure roles, many of which are presumably abandoned.

[ashen venture]

do you know who runs this one? I can see this one in hudson valley. I periodically get SI messages to LF

[daring moth]

IIRC, @.sycophantic has their contact info.

[ashen venture]

I line the inside part of the solar panel with aluminum foil and tape it down (also with foil tape). Then I wrap aluminum foil around the edges of the base enclosure. Tape it inside and then tape it outside. When I screw it closed, there's connection between the aluminum foil on the top/panel and the edges, so my hope is that heat will dissipate through the foil to the outside. If there's a higher temperature differential between internal and external temperatures, my thought is this can help.

In testing, I don't think it really has made much of a difference. Panel orientation has mattered more than anything else.

[abstract iron]

light was on solid green and 116+ F surface of solar panel temperature

[midnight mural]

Missed you all, I was upstate in the mountains, still hot as fuck

Could not tell you if I dipped into Canada or not from the ADK1 node or direct.

[jaunty harness]

did you visit the silliest named city in Ontario: St Luc Du HaHa?!?!

[midnight mural]

nope, Catskills and Adirondacks with a side trip to Vermont to get a new backpacking pillow

I had my t1e on a whatever USB solar panel sitting in my passenger seat for kicks, have not charged it in a week with grid/car power

I've seen you all have been busy with MF on july 1, digging it

also busy with ignore lists, that's a great idea

I also think shaming people on old firmware is totally cool. No profanity or name calling, and I see ZERO problem with it....a little friendly shaming never hurts...besides, we may make new friends

also....I NEED THAT NEW UI LIKE NOW, MMMMMKAY

[jaunty harness]

haha yeah OLEDs devices are back!

[abstract iron]

trying to use some atomic power to direct this node (seen with GPIO Labs filter)

[midnight mural]

I don’t think you have enough adapter there zilla

[tame brook]

My daughter now wants a T-Deck Pro. She’s 9. 😂

[daring moth]

The Pro model? Did they add Meshtastic support yet?

[abstract iron]

yah someone needs to make a N filter

[abstract iron]

seems like automatic approved

[tame brook]

I think so? She just wants a phone and my T-Deck is close enough.

Maybe she can help expand the Mesh by getting Gen Alpha to think it’s cool. 😂

[daring moth]

When I was younger, going to family gatherings in the past, kids younger than I was would often play a form of hide and seek involving walkie talkies. I wonder if Meshtastic could be used in a similar manner.

[fast spruce]

Same

Our family used to own a super big vacant building

No lights nothing

We used to play hide and seek there

With walkie talkies

Was superfun

And insanely scary

[daring moth]

In my situation, it was a single family home, but that's oddly similar.

[daring moth]

I wonder if Meshtastic nodes are exempt from school smartphone bans.

[tame brook]

I was wondering about this, too! I don’t think they’d believe it wasn’t a phone.

[daring moth]

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/distraction-free-schools-governor-hochul-announces-new-york-become-largest-state-nation says "No unsanctioned use of smartphones and other internet-enabled personal devices …". I'd argue that except for the possibility of MQTT bridging (the content of that can be disabled by setting Ignore MQTT), it should not be considered "internet-enabled".

[fervent nebula]

Due to a community interest in keeping the mesh in radio and not the internet the nyme.sh MQTT server only allows WRITING, not reading with the credentials on the website. Meaning it cannot effectively backhaul or bridge between nodes and is just provided as a data collector. If folks want to use it for private backhauling/bridging please let me know and we can set up some individual user pools.

[karmic junco]

So... Reflective stuff doesn't always keep things cooler

[karmic junco]

I went grocery shopping on foot for 2 miles round trip yesterday, was not that bad

[jaunty harness]

try again tomorrow when it's 105F

(please don't)

[karmic junco]

https://youtu.be/lcaiwad2M-U?si=nVJGTcpmj7w7qTxZ

[karmic junco]

I've done some crazy stuff in the heat.

I do not enjoy it at all

White wins before silver or black

[jaunty harness]

that only matters if you're touching the exterior of the car, your butt still sits inside on the something left exposed to the sun is very uncomfortable

[misty gorge]

Air was really stale around me.

[karmic junco]

I'm going to say it all matters to some degree.

Hotter the outside of the car the hotter the inside will get all else being equal.

The green house effect is probably the highest factor of initial ass roasting.

[midnight mural]

I have traditionaly had a hard time with youtube-dl or yt-dl or yt-dl2 etc over the years....what do you all use for Debian based systems or MacOS in 2025 that actually works?

[tame brook]

I’m in Gravesend and picking up zero other nodes. 😭

[wet shard]

yt-dlp has been solid for me @midnight mural

https://github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp

[daring moth]

Even when selecting "Include unknown" in the node filter list?

[daring moth]

(On newer firmware versions, you won't receive NodeInfo packets immediately after hearing a new node).

[jaunty harness]

there's the cctv store / NOVA node out in Coney which is ...17th? flr IIRC - seeing it active right now along with 🫠 in Bensonhurst

[midnight mural]

I had been instaling straight from command line over the years....maybe that was my problem, old ass repos

I'll go to the souce this time, thank you!! @wet shard

[bronze wren]

I love using mise to handle some of my portable tools. More for coding but it supports yt-dlp so I don't have to worry about my local package manager for each os I run. https://mise.jdx.dev/

My dotfiles pull in a few key cli tools and I go from there with more system specific stuff.

Then all my repos are also managed the same way so compiler and runtime versions are all reliable w/o nix config hell.

[midnight mural]

I will have to check that out!!!!! Thank you, @bronze wren

[fast spruce]

Random. Idea

What if we deployed a solar node on the bottom of a plane

And whenever it flew around it would totally connect everyone

Only problem is logistics

[daring moth]

Not solar, but people have done that with drones before. I don't know about NYC specifically.

[fast spruce]

I mean permanently

Like attacked to cargo planes

It would expand the mesh

Insanely

[wet shard]

brew install yt-dlp has been good. i might have contributed to the brew once.

[jaunty harness]

just because ground nodes can RX from plane nodes doesn't mean the plane can TX from them

[midnight mural]

I have 'friends' in Connecticut that would disagree with my TX's LOLOLOLOLOLOL

but I'm sure it's because of being low enough on approach or takeoff when I'm pizza party packet blasting

friendly reminder to go vote, tell your 4 friends and your fam

the folks handing out flyers are standing out in this heat, poor souls

[frail grotto]

P2NY upgrade to 2.70 has a new public key

[maiden thistle]

So we need to delete it to exchange new keys?

Or is it not necessary if we didn't DM that node?

[frail grotto]

It's a rooftop solar with no wifi so no one will answer. It should work fine if you do nothing

[jaunty harness]

next time your node receives a complete NODEINFO from it it should be automagically updating it's local nodeDB with the new key

[karmic junco]

So... Starlink or not

[tame brook]

I’ll try again tomorrow. I’m in Midwood now and someone had told me there’s a bunch of people with Meshtastic here but so far I’m not picking up any of their nodes.

[tame brook]

Ack I just realized I suddenly don’t have a signal, which is weird because I had one this morning.

[karmic junco]

I was driving on 87.. right before exit 13 nb you can see quite a way away. It's got some good elevation.

[tame brook]

Back in Flatbush and with a signal and node city!

[abstract iron]

my solar node is malfunctioning. gotta get it on USB serial. it seems to power up or charge but never hits the airwaves

[fast spruce]

Mamdani all the way

I'm a landowner and I'm voting mamdani

That's how much I care

I was gonna install a node in jamaica

But this heat is gonna kill me

Next time

[jaunty harness]

forcecast now has temp dropping from the rain so might be able to sneak in a window to get it up

[abstract iron]

neighborhood is bumping with voter assist etc type people today. really great

not the heat tho

[midnight mural]

I'd say the heat is never great, but I'm a cold weather dude

[midnight mural]

I'm installing meshtastic CLI on a raspi5....having issues with installing pytap2
https://meshtastic.org/docs/software/python/cli/installation/?install-python-cli=linux

× This environment is externally managed
╰─> To install Python packages system-wide, try apt install
    python3-xyz, where xyz is the package you are trying to
    install.
    
    If you wish to install a non-Debian-packaged Python package,
    create a virtual environment using python3 -m venv path/to/venv.
    Then use path/to/venv/bin/python and path/to/venv/bin/pip. Make
    sure you have python3-full installed.
    
    For more information visit http://rptl.io/venv

note: If you believe this is a mistake, please contact your Python installation or OS distribution provider. You can override this, at the risk of breaking your Python installation or OS, by passing --break-system-packages.
hint: See PEP 668 for the detailed specification.

[jaunty harness]

def use a venv instead of shitting all over the system python: python -m venv ~/src/venv && source ~/src/venv/bin/activate

worked easy-pease on a pi5

[midnight mural]

ummmmm, that's different than the directions, why is that?

[jaunty harness]

🤷

I always do python venvs instead of touching system's python, just avoids a lot of headaches and keeps the python's separate

[midnight mural]

bash: /home/goster/srv/venv/bin/activate: No such file or directory

I'm so lost, I'll have to dig into this

I thought this was easier the last time I installed

[jaunty harness]

my b, should be source ~/src/venv/bin/activate

first command creates the venv, second activates the venv python so then you can pip install away and the system python never complains

[midnight mural]

you have that in your second command already

OH

SRC no srv

[jaunty harness]

I edited it from ~/srv

[midnight mural]

pizza

[jaunty harness]

yeah, fat fingered

[midnight mural]

there we go

[abstract iron]

https://youtu.be/ClNKD_6ow-g?si=ZCc98zeZdW9kkSae

[jaunty harness]

you can add the source ~/src/venv/bin/activate to your ~/.bashrc or ~/.zshrc of just activate manually as needed - up to you

[midnight mural]

I want to update to 2.6.11 and wanted to backup shit

[midnight mural]

stupid question because I don't know, if I ran:
python -m venv ~/src/venv && source ~/src/venv/bin/activate
I still have to add that to my bashrc???

[jaunty harness]

just the source ~/src/venv/bin/activate - the first part you already ran to create the virtual-environment

[midnight mural]

ok, I'll add that to my bashrc then

[jaunty harness]

I do it on all my SBC nodes, and most of my work machines

because I have shat all over system python to where it broke things and then also had to fix it 😄

[midnight mural]

I don't like python, so not breaking it is good

[jaunty harness]

heh its pretty useful, even if only know how to run scripts and avoid breaking things by not shitting on the system python

[midnight mural]

What little I code, I don’t do python

I need to get batter with my backups of nodes, also need to do this for my ADS-B micro feeders

And combine them on one pi for remote deployment from home

[fast spruce]

It's so sad that the media is trying to destroy him with just one thing

His job is to serve us new Yorkers

Not pple in other countries

That's not his problem

Out of the millions of issues with NYC why does this matter have to be his highest priority

[abstract iron]

I have an alias for just the Meshtastic CLI that goes like alias ... venv/bin/meshtastic

idk if that helps. that way I'm only in virtualenv for that one tool

[jaunty harness]

because they have nothing else to go after him for unlike Cuomo or Adams

[fast spruce]

Lmao

They've got something

He's brown and he's muslim

Terrorist

The system is broken

Society is f**cked

[jaunty harness]

fair - but that would reveal their true colors, so instead they paint him as pro-palestine while they're pro-genocide

[fast spruce]

Explain this

I don't get it

[jaunty harness]

they attack his pro-palestine position, meanwhile they're anti-palestine and pro-israel and their attempts to genocide non-jews out of the middle east

[fast spruce]

They Make his pro-Palestine position look like pro genoside

And look personally I am pro palastine

But why TF does it matter here

He's running for mayor of nyc

This has nothing to do with Israel or Palestine

They just found one bone and they're going to keep drilling this one thing in and hope that the Zionist Jews will come through

[jaunty harness]

oh I fully agree it doesn't matter - as Mayor he's not gonna order nukes dropped on israel, it's just all they have to glom onto to try and tear him down vs a guy who shamefully resigned from governor and speeds around the city

[fast spruce]

@People of nyc

[midnight mural]

this is a whole rabbit hole I have to chase down....one day I'll make a list

[fast spruce]

Please don't fuck this up

[midnight mural]

almost forgot to do this 🙂

soooo, if I'm understanding this correctly, python3 gets installed for the system, and the user runs it, whatever. But, you can run python3 in a virtual environment, and you leave system python3 untouched, and it stays happy 24/7 that way.

just trying to see if I get this.

So, basically the python creates a virtual environment in ~/src/venv and then it gets activated by running source ~/src/venv/bin/activate and to have it happen automagically, add that to ~/bash.rc

great, no rabbit hole, I can do the dishes lol

[midnight mural]

PizzaDeliveryDude has a new shortname TMNT, as no more emoji since some things don't like it. Also upgraded to 2.70 because fuck it

Casey Jones is up next later tonight

[abstract iron]

nice I'd look for ya but solar is out of commission

[midnight mural]

boooooo

[abstract iron]

https://www.youtube.com/live/iFqqr2hmqZc?

Hell Gate coverage of primary supposedly coming up

[midnight mural]

ahhh, today is the day! I early voted, so I had no idea the volunteers were going crazy today

[fast spruce]

Bro those volunteers just raw dogged todays heat

Props

[fast spruce]

Oh bro the pizza emoji was the best part

But yea

I heard python programs have ascii

Issues

I have those issues too

[midnight mural]

maybe one day it can return......but also, people know my theme 🙂

[fast spruce]

Well

Everyone in nyc

We trying to go global with mesh

[midnight mural]

I travel with nodes domestically a bunch

SoCal and Toronto are pretty well organized

I know Toronto is not domestic, but rather a comment

[fast spruce]

We gotta do a real pizza party

Somewhere in manhatten

Or queens maybe

Like in person

With real pizza

Someone make a poll

[tame brook]

Can we invite Zohran? Lol. If he’s mayor I’m gonna lobby him to have publicly funded nodes lol.

[midnight mural]

Roberta's in BK has Drum & Bass and pizza, Parties LOLOLOL

Casey Jones is now 2.7.0

[fast spruce]

Yoooo

Brooo

U guys are cooking

Hear me out

Let's do a full blown program

With rsvp

[fast spruce]

He doesn't need lobbying

Just ask

[midnight mural]

I wasn’t too much of a fan of the UI on the oled screens….bit I’m liking it on my WisMesh Pocket 😎

[fast spruce]

Someone could bring a drone and we can send a pizza party message from as high as we could

[jaunty harness]

We've discussed doing a kite node but turns out there's very limited places you can actually fly one in NYC

[karmic junco]

You give me enough of a tax deduction I'll provide the nodes

Reserving one private channel for myself of course

[karmic junco]

Sneakernode Is still our best bet

That and fake bat boxes and bird houses

Someone talk me out of starlink

[jaunty harness]

you don't want to give money to elon / contribute to Kessler Syndrome?

[fast spruce]

This guy hits hard

Lol

[fast spruce]

There's astoria

I can fly a kite pretty high

I usually use a fishing rod with a decent kite

[fast spruce]

Well

I can tax excemt your nodes

But that's about it

Send dm

[karmic junco]

Eh tax exempt isn't particularly jseful

However equipment donation to a 501c3....

Btw I found. The 10 dollar starlink

[midnight mural]

meshtastic --export-config nor meshtastic --nodes shows the nodes that I have ignored....I see a meshtastic --set-ignored-node and meshtastic --remove-ignored-node...what am I missing?

[daring moth]

Someone asked that same question five months ago in #python message

[midnight mural]

so no, it's in the node db but it's complicated?

[jaunty harness]

yeah it doesn't show in --nodes if a node is ignored or not and I don't see !0c3a9bb0 in the output either so it's being filtered out

--set-ignored-node / --remove-ignored-node both require to pass the !userid

[midnight mural]

so in theory, would have to write a script to go through a list and ignore shit

just to double check

[karmic junco]

Fuck ya all's you didn't stop me I bought a Starlink mini

[jaunty harness]

and you can do some fancy stuff like --nodes --show-fields "USER, ID, AKA, SNR" to get just those fields instead of all the info normally output with --nodes

you can also check --info output, which is A LOT of info and should include nodes (as there's a --nonodes option to it)

[karmic junco]

Bunch of enablers. 🙂

[jaunty harness]

I tried! #1202833898376138752 message

[midnight mural]

sorry @karmic junco you can always return it 😉

[karmic junco]

Lol

Actually what got me was that there is apparently a 10 dollar/10gb roam plan

[midnight mural]

so that is kinda legit

gotcha!

I want a not shit Pay As You Go 4G hotspot

[karmic junco]

So you need to kinda do a month at 50 but then you can downgrade

[karmic junco]

I use tmo

[midnight mural]

noted

[karmic junco]

It's not bad. It depends how much you want to pay

And how many gb you want

If you have a device that you can put an IMEI in you can make it so that it thinks the hotspot is your regular phone

[jaunty harness]

I have a NODE I can put a pSIM into

[karmic junco]

Technically I could do the quadfecta of TMO, Verizon, att, starlink and a hard wire. But to save physical space I'd think google fi could do the first 3

[jaunty harness]

iPhone 11 - 1 pSIM + 8 eSIM 😄

[karmic junco]

I've had issues in my Samsung.

Where the internet stops working when making a call on the psim

[jaunty harness]

oh wack, i have it split between psim/esim on 2 carriers and has been fine on iOS. waiting on some more shit to be in place before can finally daily drive psim/esim on workphone (pixel8a/CalyxOS)

[fast spruce]

I know I'm late

But

Citizens of nyc

WE FUCKING DID IT

[slender jasper]

oops just saw this - would love to build an stm32wl based one

[jaunty harness]

haha no worries - just fan of your nodes 8)

[midnight mural]

Aside from international travel, what does an eSIM get you stateside with an existing service provider?

[jaunty harness]

Intl Roaming is carrier/plan, eSIM vs pSIM is ability to pop pSIM into another device and go, eSIM you’d have to xfer between devices. Provisioning is easier for eSIM as usually get a QR code and don’t need to deal with shipping/logistics a pSIM needs and activating vs pSIM is more work on the backend

or if you're me... your boss is lazy about mailing you a work pSIM vs eSIM which is another guy who just sends me a QR code

[midnight mural]

Ahhh, eSIM for a second line or primary line….i was going to look into one for traveling abroad, did not know you can use them locally too

[midnight mural]

No Cuomo, womp womp

[bronze wren]

So much backlog... skipped. @jaunty harness I was wondering if you had a clear verdict on that filter now after some time.

Aside: the mesh is such a weird mix of politics in this city, kinda love that it cuts across it

[jaunty harness]

my verdict remains the same: massive improvement for my RX (~40 active node -> ~80) with cavaet that I have a cell site 1/4 block away, 433MHz from outside and 2.4GHz/5GHz/6GHz from my and neighboring apartments

easily the best $30 i've put into Meshtastic aside from my original RAK 4631+19007 baseboard node

[bronze wren]

👍 Got it. I think I'm going to grab a couple filters then.

[jaunty harness]

a.li3n had a bad solder on one of his he was able to repair but seems fine now, @abstract iron hows you're working out?

[bronze wren]

Reflow or redoing the pads?

[jaunty harness]

just reflow the solder as I understood

[bronze wren]

I should be able to manage either but I don't solder often. Glad to know it can be an issue.

[jaunty harness]

yeah i'm assuming it's an edge case and not the norm but def seems fixable. i'm also waiting for some shipments to try a different filter that should be mon/tues next week to compare with the GPIO Labs

[bronze wren]

Yeah. Cavity filter right?

Fancy but I'll start with the GPIO ones. Anything would be better than the terrible RX I get right now.

[jaunty harness]

Another tiny band pass filter but different filter / design. Buddy in Austin is slacking on sending the Anscom Cavity filter but def wanna test that one too and know Austin is liking them for 1W stuff and they have some GPIO labs filters enroute to also test with

[fast spruce]

This is a joke right

Lol

[ashen venture]

every now and again someone flies with their radio on and will send out messages. all they do is annoy everyone with a bunch of messages that are one-way.

[fast spruce]

Hmmm

What about telecom poles

I see tons of them every where

If only we got permission

[jaunty harness]

Verizon won't let you anywhere near them, on the other hand a lot are quite easily climbable

discretely looks over at Verizon hardhat, wonders who has the hivez safety *vest to match

[ashen venture]

I looked at emergency balloons that can go about 900ft so that I could connect with a friend in CT if there was an emergency. But even in emergency situations it'd probably take out a helicopter, so it's no good.

But decent hilltops are great for solar units (which, I admit, is not useful for the city directly)

[jaunty harness]

IIRC it's like 150ft - no problems, >150ft you gotta talk with ATC and still have a 400 or 500ft ceiling

[cyan drum]

its 400ft everywhere

unless you get them to put out a notam

the flight floor for helicopters is at 500ft agl

in class b airspace

[cyan drum]

agree lol

"thanks for killing my solar node's battery"

[glossy pine]

I love getting those

[fast spruce]

same

[abstract iron]

I believe I saw improved Rx but my windows are so opaque that it's minimal. I actually want to try to confirm my analyzer has a filter loop mode and test it for you

without the roof open and the outside space being 110 F I haven't been able to go outside and test it out free of obstructions

im hoping to send flight msgs when I take off next week

[fast spruce]

Guys

I messed up

I caved in

I folded

I bought a bambu a1 regualar

It was on sale at micr center

189

Oooooof

I went against my princibals

[jaunty harness]

heh the H2D looks really interesting with the multiple toolheads and cutter functionality, but it's also apparently like 75lbs which is like 25lbs more than VzBot and for $3500 AHAHAHAHAHAH no.

[jaunty harness]

goddamn feeb bought out all the Seeed nRF52840 + WioSX1262 kits!! #nrf52 message

[fast spruce]

Open source initiative pls forgive me

[karmic junco]

Ooh fancy

Im still on the 99 dollar ender

[karmic junco]

If it prints well, that's all that matters. Why were you in mc anyways?

Still can't believe nobody stopped me from buying the Starlink mini

[midnight mural]

You can still return it 🙃

[karmic junco]

I bit the bullet because I found the mini for 349

If I can get onto the 10 dollar for 10gb I'd keep service

Does anyone do aarl or the like?

[fast spruce]

I needed monitors for my clients

Emergency thing

[fast spruce]

I just don't like closed source or closed software

It's like a ick

[karmic junco]

I hear ya.

[karmic junco]

See I fucked up. It was 299 last month. Sigh

[fast spruce]

A1 regular?

[karmic junco]

No. A mini

It was a memorial Day promotion by starlink

[karmic junco]

Morning all

[ashen venture]

tbh it seems like it's not a bad thing to have in your back pocket. Wrap your traffic in proton or mullvad and you've got some privacy too. I'd wager in a context where the rest of us don't have internet, starlink will still be working.

[ashen venture]

looks like it's $219 directly from their US online store.

[midnight mural]

I like how Mullvad lets you mail them cash for service. So awesome, will probably see how I like them as they are $5/month and I can protect my privacy a little better

On the long list of shit to do

[mortal wind]

I wouldn’t personally go big market for VPN, but they seem to have a strong reputation next to Proton.

or PrivateInternetAccess

[daring moth]

Do you think it'll work if the traffic is wrapped over Tor instead?

[daring moth]

Long list of or 💩 to do?

[fast spruce]

bro the a1 is just works

like u press print and done

i printed from my phone

holy shiiii

[ashen venture]

Privacy advocates like Mullvad primarily because mullvad structure their payment and account mechanisms to be completely anonymous, including accepting privacy coins, gift cards, and cash for payment, and even running an onion version of their website. It enhances privacy because customers can choose to obscure their identity in ways you can't when paying with card.

Personally, if I want to use a VPN, I use proton VPN and I make no effort to conceal my identity from proton. I have been trying to slowly reduce my dependency on Google. Proton has a full suite of tools including email, drive, calendar, VPN, etc. But I like the split tunnel feature, such that some traffic goes out directly to my ISP, and some doesn't. It gives me more control about how commercial trackers might pick up data about me or my family/kids.

The other option is to simply self-host a wireguard server with something like digital ocean or linode or whatever. But it really depends on what your motivation is for using the VPN.

In the use case with Starlink, I go with the assumption that Musk and friends are not trustworthy. In that assumption, using mullvad or proton gives you decent assurance that Starlink isn't snooping on your data. You'd want a hardware device to connect to the VPN and then route all traffic through the VPN to ensure nothing leaks. It's a bit involved to set it up that way, but it protects you so you can't accidentally forget to turn on the VPN or whatever.

[ashen venture]

I'm cautious with tor because you're now exposing all of your traffic to whoever is running the exit nodes. At least with mullvad and proton, they have reputational risk to protect and are motivated by the market not to tamper with your traffic. You don't know who is running an exit node, and you're at their mercy.

If you were super paranoid, you might consider tor -> mullvad (over TCP/openvpn). But I would be extremely cautious about things like that. It's extremely difficult to be truly private on the internet and very easy to build a false sense of security. There's probably something you're missing, so if you thought you needed that level of protection but are using a computer in relation to that need, you're probably already messing up.

VPNs are good for privacy, but not sufficient to protect someone when physical safety or legal jeopardy are in play. (just don't do crimes)

(if you're interested in this type of stuff, EFF has some good resources: https://ssd.eff.org/module-categories/tool-guides)

[ashen venture]

Does it have an sdcard reader on that model?

[daring moth]

Whether or not you expose traffic to exit nodes, you're still exposing traffic to Bambu Lab and/or other third-parties. How do they compare to the exit nodes in trustworthiness? Does HTTPS mitigate this in any manner?

[blissful moon]

I have a P1S is a beast..

[ashen venture]

I was specifically commenting on a threat model where I'm trying to protect my internet browsing habits from an untrusted ISP (starlink).

You're completely correct that it's separate from whether third parties can still track you. If you use a VPN for all traffic, then it's more likely you'll be tracked inside the VPN. The split-tunnel helps with this, so you can choose to only use the VPN for specific traffic (ie, maybe your burner reddit account in a separate browser or something).

Specifically, with Bambu Lab, I'm wary of hosting that type of stuff on my home network at all. I'd rather just build the design and transfer it via sdcard.

[jaunty harness]

you can just use Orca Slicer instead of Bamboo Studio, but the hw and fw keeps getting updated to further lock it down and make you dependent on them

[ashen venture]

Also yes, TLS/HTTPS does protect the contents of your traffic, but usually it does not protect your DNS queries, nor the SNI field on the TLS certificate (except in TLS 1.3, and only when not blocked, the SNI field is encrypted). I think TLS is a nice last line of defense, but not necessarily sufficient against an adversarial ISP (which is distinct from a neutral ISP).

I consider tor exit nodes to potentially be adversarial ISPs. I consider my home ISP to generally be neutral. A commercial VPN is probably neutral, but may be adversarial.

[fast spruce]

Yes

I put it in lan only mode

Then disabled Internet access to it from my unifi gateway

It has access to local network only

Then I use it with vpn

My unifi gateway hosts a wire guard tunnel

[fast spruce]

At least mabmbu studio is open source

[ashen venture]

thanks for sharing your photos. That looks quite good....might just get one myself. Their higher ends are really expensive but this seems like a decent way to get started.

[midnight mural]

Better than what I have which is Fios….they aren’t doing me any privacy favors, plus you can try these providers out, it’s not like being locked in forever, but I’ve added PIA to my list 😎

[midnight mural]

Tech projects in general, and yes, it’s longer than 5 items lol

I already VPN to my home network 24/7, I want more privacy from my home router to the internet at large

[misty gorge]

@midnight mural Not sure if anyone has asked you.. But what's the best pizza in the NYC area?

[midnight mural]

I always tell people the best pizza in NYC is the slice in your hand. The secret ingredient is the water from the Catskills. Sorry Jersey, your pizza isn’t as good because your water is hard as shit.

Also, Connecticut….no water from the cats, but the pizza belt goes from NJ to CT for a reason

[misty gorge]

My buddy just dropped off a few slices from Chrissy's

pretty damn good.

[midnight mural]

Please tell me where that is, I want to try it as a NYC transplant.

I love the L&B Spimoni pizza joint 😎

[misty gorge]

L&B is it's own thing.. sometimes its too soggy for me.

[midnight mural]

Oh, I see there is only on in BK 😎

[misty gorge]

Yea.

[midnight mural]

I hear that, it’s a haul for me so I’ve only been twice

[misty gorge]

The White Spicy was pretty damn good.

He brought me two slices of their regular and 2 slices of the spicy white.. the spicy white is pretty damn interesting.

[midnight mural]

It’s a 30 min train ride, will have to try it after Micro Center one day

I usually stop at Gravesend before I leave

[misty gorge]

You'll probably be happy with it.

New Haven pizza is pretty damn good though.

[abstract iron]

I like Firefly down south of IC

more like Bay ridge

[fast spruce]

honestly im gonna keep my ender 3 "carbon" for specialty materials and for mass printing and i will keep the a1 for rapid prototyping

[ashen venture]

I don't have one at all and just want to print stuff for my solar builds without needing to ask someone to print it for me.

[amber edge]

the plot hole here is that pizza upstate is trash

[jaunty harness]

depends where upstate, but Rochester also gave us the Garbage Plate

[karmic junco]

Pwhefe do you see that?

[karmic junco]

I just looked it's 399 for the mini

[karmic junco]

I do not get spumoni

And I've had the regular and the grandma slice and I've tried it maybe 20 times over the years. It never impresses me

[misty gorge]

Yea.. I'm not into it anymore. years ago it was kinda novel.

[jaunty harness]

when I was living in Santa Monica I used to always go to "fake Joe's" which was opened by the guy who managed the real NYC Joe's Famous and was married to Joe's daughter for like 20 years before they split and he moved out to Cali to use the association for his own place. it's not on the same level as real Joe's but for Cali it's a great slice

[karmic junco]

NYC isn't the only place to have NYC water

There are actually other towns and villages that use the same resivour

[jaunty harness]

there was a diff place in Santa Monica that would get their dough shipped in from NYC

[abstract iron]

got my solar node back up. typical failure mode. if power disruption then it dumps its config entirely

[karmic junco]

What hardware?

[abstract iron]

that portable solar node by winmesh

[jaunty harness]

i wonder if it's flapping around 3.3V, that's been an issue with the latest revisions to the Faketec (after they started cramming in mosfets they also slammed a solar charge controller on) but also affects nRF in general (i.e. my RAK that keeps randomly turning itself on with <3V and by the time I noticed and get it plugged into computer some if not all of it's cfg is also whacked out)

[abstract iron]

this was overheat but I wonder what kind of power condition that could cause?

well ok backing up I don't know it was overheating, just that it died in some capacity during direct sunlight

[jaunty harness]

interesting, someone made a feature request to ignore older firmware

[karmic junco]

Ooh. I wonder who

[karmic junco]

Depends.. solar nodes go through a lot of heat. I know your aluding to the voltage issue... But what if it's a heat issue. We can simulate the voltage condition pretty easily.

[jaunty harness]

😲

[abstract iron]

is that node count through the filter

[ashen venture]

https://us.store.bambulab.com/products/a1-mini

[ashen venture]

Maybe they are changing prices based on geo location but I see this:

[karmic junco]

Oh I was talking about Starlink mini

[jaunty harness]

yeah, and also ~6 weeks since nodeDB wipe from upgrading meshtasticd

[frail grotto]

New P1NY and location installed

[jaunty harness]

got location at 10:16 next to P0NY - guessing you updated it before sending out the message so i've got stale location

[frail grotto]

That was old position when setting it up last night

[jaunty harness]

k, yeah figured something like that but that's also where it announced it was 20mins ago - will keep an eye out and see if it hops the train to Kip's Bay at some point

[frail grotto]

Using 📨 I've been able to get meta data from p2, p0, and p4 through p1 so I'm hoping this will give us more options to cut across Manhattan

[normal osprey]

Got your messages at Marsha P Johnson Park (fa5a)!

[frail grotto]

Nice! that directly across the river from it. The node is on one of the few roofs I have access to there.

[ashen venture]

Oh I see that makes sense. I got confused in the cross-traffic about the printer from Hasan

[jaunty harness]

Almost time for science (to compare vs GPIO labs filter and another design which should be here today instead of Monday)

[frail grotto]

Updated P4NY and new antenna

[jaunty harness]

what's the new antenna?

[frail grotto]

I posted it a a month ago hold on

Ebyte https://www.ebay.com/itm/196266454155

[jaunty harness]

there we go - confirming P1NY got correction location

[pale pecan]

Just built my first heltec v3 board any long islanders here? 👀

[jaunty harness]

Welcome!! There's a few scattered nodes out on LI but connectivity from the city seems to end around Forest Hills currently

[daring moth]

https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1361056009061142528

[midnight mural]

well yeah, not NYC LOLOL

I need to try pizza up in the Catskills....that's the water source, so it should be good

[midnight mural]

I've been twice, it's not anything that I'm jonesing for since there is other and better I like

[jaunty harness]

Little something I cooked up.... VNA shows its a little out of tune for 906.875MHz, gonna do a/b/c testing tomorrow between it, GPIO Labs and an Airframe Cavity Frame I have on loan

[midnight mural]

that dude is also in the ADS-B scene, lol, I was looking at his gear recently......that should be a nice piece of gear

[frail grotto]

fantastic

[abstract iron]

Pizza got you in wb

dnb / mesh contingent

[misty gorge]

I did Lucia of Soho last night after having a full dinner up the block. Meh... It was okay Sauce didn't have much flavor. 6 out of 10.