us - NYC metro

[mortal wind]

got a ping from someone in howard beach the rockaways aye

[karmic junco]

Well, I've lost contact with my parents node it seems

and I dont think it has to do with anything in particular

[jaunty harness]

(spins the wheel of blame)

oh hey, it landed on "atmospheric interference" even though it's nice out...

[abstract iron]

sunspots

[glossy pine]

Solar wind

[midnight mural]

Maybe some new concrete and steel have appeared in your signal path 🙂

[glossy pine]

Somebody running an iron bar over a metal file nearby

[karmic junco]

The sound of the worlds smallest violin causing a butterfly effect

You guys are cruel. Hahhaha

[abstract iron]

I'm getting my usual crazy prop off Squonk and Metaphor nodes

xam i got tr direct from you

[karmic junco]

I'm not saying what I'm saying, but what I'm saying

[jaunty harness]

they say it's cellular backhaul

[karmic junco]

Incorrect. It's actually ttn

Though ttn deployment is horrid in NYC. I know of only 2 published antennas

[jaunty harness]

Oh huh they claim cellular but reading more on the sensors yeah it’s LoRaWAN right now with cellular for the next revision (and a baby 400mAh battery)

[jaunty harness]

I went to check out the closest one, can’t find it 🤷

[jaunty harness]

also waterbury st has grown since I was last near the southeast end

[karmic junco]

The project was a good idea- The cellular would not work unless it was LTE-M. But even then 400MAH and a tiny panel wont last as long- not as long as lorawan would in this application.

There used to be data avalaible online for you to see. Many sensors were offline.

[karmic junco]

back to my channel writing errors...

its definately something in the android app

because I connected to another node of which I did not make any adjustments, and it also shows it as overwritten.

I blame this crappy oneUII

[abstract iron]

so it's water sensors? or?

laser guided munitions towards cars with fake / no license plates?? 🙏

[karmic junco]

while I wish it could be the latter-- its actually designed to read water levels off street level

The concept was good, the execution was bleh

I had to erase and re-install meshtastic on my phone

on a side note.. the RSSI value.. man, that amazon antenna has been amazing on the top of the car

Absolutely stellar

[karmic junco]

https://dataviz.floodnet.nyc/dashboard/projects/174/list

I also questiont he validty of their sensors, and their general idea of "flood depth". they say this one had like 11" at 23:00 yesterday on city island. https://dataviz.floodnet.nyc/viz?v=9uDcur53Zbj5XFxP_sJ4D

[woven trellis]

Morning folks! Is the owner of BBS1 in these halls? Am curious how to interact with his node. I’ve an unused RPI and now a third node so am curious how to set one up and possibly use the mesh-RPI as a relay to the web between boards.

[karmic junco]

Not that comes to mind. Did you search for bbs1?

And is this in lew of mqqt?

Or mqtt...

[woven trellis]

Unsure, I’m very much a learner at this point… so am still learning the Meshtastic ecosystem

[karmic junco]

https://meshtastic.org/docs/software/integrations/mqtt/

[woven trellis]

Ooo thanks, a bit of RTFM moment for me I guess… am reading now.

[karmic junco]

Me thinks that' would be easier.

Rather than a rpi solution.

Then again.. you ever do freepbx?

[jaunty harness]

ptsd twitch

WrongLane is running the BBS1 IIRC, there's a few different BBS solutions for meshtastic like The Comms Channels TC2 BBS SpudGunMan's meshing-around and W2ASM's Hops node you may have seen is also interactable

[mortal wind]

Can I install a node without forwarding the position just to enhance the mesh?

[jaunty harness]

definitely! position is a secondary but useful function but def not required or we'd all have GPSs 8)

[mortal wind]

Looking to install one in queens for my own folks as well, seems like it should be doable, right?

[jaunty harness]

yeah if there's no GPS the firmware will know it hasn't be detected and not send out position. other thing would be making sure any app interacting with the node isn't also sending out position but by default it should be the .5m precision so it won't dox your exact location

you can also intentionally set no gps / fixed position and give it coords if you want to position it someplace particular but still isn't the exact location

[mortal wind]

Between this and having a seperate private channel just for them would be great. the Node would be a repeater in method only, while i can communicate towards them to their individual nodes.

Might go all out later and have a seperate mqtt downlink just in case but that’s like nerdy nerdy

[mortal wind]

There was an attempt at BBS1. acknowledged by first message, but oof.

[karmic junco]

where in queens? (approximately)

[karmic junco]

I have found I am no nerd amongst these nerds. 🙂

[mortal wind]

Near Jamaica

[mortal wind]

New York is one of the nerd capitals of the world, we bound to come up together to solve stuff eventually.

Out of either annoyance or convienence.

[karmic junco]

there should be some stuff there to hit

[karmic junco]

I am in a sea of nothing.

Except noise.

[rare sparrow]

Woo hoo

It’s here!

[exotic merlin]

For any fans of the Hops bot I replaced the Station G2 attached to a cavity filter with a RAK board with a regular antenna and it's range seems to be significantly improved.

If you see two Hops nodes ignore the decommissioned one (!a2e268c0) and use the new one with user ID !73758f2.

[rare sparrow]

I can finally message it reliably

thx for the update!

[exotic merlin]

Incredible

[rare sparrow]

even 0 hops!

used to be 4+ hops

it's now between 0-1 hops

[exotic merlin]

Wow. Im up high in Fort Greene near the park.

It’s pretty incredible how much better these RAK boards are than everything else I’ve tried.

[rare sparrow]

for the record I'm also using a RAK board

RAK 4631+19007

with ALFA AOA-915-5ACM

[jaunty harness]

haha I saw 2 Hops last night in my inactive list, right now only see 58f2 as active

[glass marsh]

Hey, I'm run BBS1. Just send it a mag

[exotic merlin]

Oh hey @glass marsh is there any chance you have a ham license?

I want to try to set up an inter-bot APRS back haul to pass messages between mesh regions.

You’re in Staten Island, yeah?

[glass marsh]

Sorry, no ham license

But the BBS has a built in replication features

If you throw one up we can try it

[exotic merlin]

I was hoping to avoid using the internet for back haul. Feels like cheating. But maybe it’s not cheating if it’s over NYCMesh?

[glass marsh]

It's not internet, it replicates over the mesh

So your node can be in the middle and replicate to a BBS node in both meshes

[exotic merlin]

Oh cool!

[mortal wind]

that is the key difference between mesh and other services fr

[exotic merlin]

Can you link me to the code @glass marsh ?

[mortal wind]

I’m in.

ayeee

[glass marsh]

https://github.com/TheCommsChannel/TC2-BBS-mesh

[jaunty harness]

hah you forgot to use your <hacker voice> while saying that!

[exotic merlin]

Cool. I’m able to reach BBS1 from Hops location.

@glass marsh Hops is now running TC2-BBS-mesh and is configured to sync with !849b9550

Loelin, also, sorry, I just swapped Hops's bot out for another BBS in the middle of you using it.

[mortal wind]

I’m doing the digital equivalent of seeing what doors are open, apologies @exotic merlin

[exotic merlin]

You'll be the first to get to play with Hops' new brain

[glass marsh]

Cool I'll add hops to the config later tonight

[karmic junco]

anyone 3d3b

3e3b

[exotic merlin]

yowzer, this bot is verbose

[glass marsh]

Yeah, the quick commands help

[exotic merlin]

How do they work? SM,<shortname>,<message> doesn't seem to work

[glass marsh]

Something like that, away from any nodes to check. Send it Q and it should tell you

[exotic merlin]

Ah, SM,,{short_name},,{subject},,{message}

[glass marsh]

May 27 21:26:04 pibbs python3[24446]: 2025-05-27 21:26:04 - INFO - SERVER SYNC: Syncing new mail message Test 3 sent from ASS to other BBS systems.
May 27 21:26:04 pibbs python3[24446]: 2025-05-27 21:26:04 - ERROR - Unexpected error in deferred execution <class 'AttributeError'>

something isnt working...

never mind, had a typo

looks like its working

May 27 21:30:40 pibbs python3[24476]: 2025-05-27 21:30:40 - INFO - Received message from user 'ASS' (!b03dc228) to BBS1: Testing replication
May 27 21:30:47 pibbs python3[24476]: 2025-05-27 21:30:47 - INFO - Received message from user 'ASS' (!b03dc228) to BBS1: End
May 27 21:30:47 pibbs python3[24476]: 2025-05-27 21:30:47 - INFO - SERVER SYNC: Syncing new mail message Test 4 sent from ASS to other BBS systems.
May 27 21:30:47 pibbs python3[24476]: 2025-05-27 21:30:47 - INFO - Sending message to user 'None' (None) with sendID 1096124532: "MAIL|!b03dc228|ASS|!12b89d81|Test 4|Testing replication\n|3833ba94-fb78-4350-8046-92f325d54ed0"
May 27 21:30:49 pibbs python3[24476]: 2025-05-27 21:30:49 - INFO - Sending message to user 'ASS' (!b03dc228) with sendID 14830709: "Mail has been posted to the mailbox of Casa de Timoun.\n(╯°□°)╯📨📬"
May 27 21:30:51 pibbs python3[24476]: 2025-05-27 21:30:51 - INFO - Sending message to user 'None' (None) with sendID 3400234102: "You have a new mail message from ASS. Check your mailbox by responding to this message with CM."

[mortal wind]

very much so. old school bbs fr.

[abstract iron]

have we seen the sync across BBS work yet

I think that's not only an interesting feature but pretty cool with respect to some of the historic BBS link protocols like WWIVnet, FidoNet, etc

[karmic junco]

Now... if someone.. is perhaps.. interested...

I have a 16 bit ISA card with a 8 port serial adapter

if anyone wants to resurrect a BBS

Originall used for dial up service at the company I worked at. Just.. .. saying.

[amber edge]

is anyone interested in a free raspberry pi 1 b+? could probably get a lora module for it and set it up as a node. i don't have much time to invest into getting that all setup

[karmic junco]

I've got more parts than time. unfortunately

[abstract iron]

how in the world would anyone dial it heh. looks like renegade, wwiv, et al can do socket now

[karmic junco]

Well.. youd need an analog phone line

or.. you'd need some sorta of serial ATA conversion... lol

[jaunty harness]

Cyclades?

[abstract iron]

heh I was gonna sling names too. was xylogics one or was that terminal servers

[karmic junco]

heck , actually, I don't remember. I bubble wrapped it up along with some token ring hardware

[abstract iron]

I forget what I used to dial into for my old .edu shell

[karmic junco]

telix

[abstract iron]

damn token ring

[karmic junco]

that was my favorite dos dialier

[abstract iron]

yeah I went down this rabbit hole earlier and there was telix and then later I was on minicom

[jaunty harness]

heh you know i'm using to send AT commands to the LTE Modem? minicom

ooold mac guy so ZTerm was my dialer

[abstract iron]

there's even a sense of ATstalgia heh

[exotic merlin]

I’d take it if you haven’t found a home yet. I’m working on a primo node site we could turn into a BBS node.

[abstract iron]

it's cool we've got that high school up now. I forget if their teachers are here. Ralph McKee students

[glass marsh]

It's alive!

[glass marsh]

it is not fast as far as the linux part goes 🙂

but fun fact, the meshtastic app picks it up over UDP as soon as you plug a lan cable into it, so technically you never really even need to touch the linux part...

but whats the fun in that

[jaunty harness]

hehe it's pokey but usable right up until you run apt and then... patience is required

[glass marsh]

yeah....

[abstract iron]

I've been trying to ACK them

sorry busy morning I forgot I wrote that ahaha

[midnight mural]

Mine showed up a day early! Too bad I’m too busy to do anything with it for a few weeks, womp womp. At least I got some RTCs for mine 🙂

[glass marsh]

ha i have 3 spare rtc's if anyone wants one

[midnight mural]

I also have 3 spares 😎

[glass marsh]

So the fox is live... now the question is... What to do with it 🤣

maybe another BBS node in the same location as Titi ?

[glossy pine]

Oh look

[rare sparrow]

Yeah I’m still waiting for the microsd card

I probably also need a RTC

[jaunty harness]

if it has network you'll be able to get time via ntp as well as the mesh, the RTC isn't actually needed other than to feel cool you have an RTC 8)

[rare sparrow]

and a wifi card 😌

[jaunty harness]

ethernet 8)

[rare sparrow]

my router is deep in the closet, unless I want to talk with no one 😂

[jaunty harness]

this is on the supported wifi adaptor list and has been fine for me (aside from the time I sent 9V through it and released all the magic smoke) https://www.amazon.com/dp/B008IFXQFU

[mortal wind]

RTC is great for…watch form factors

[jaunty harness]

its great when you don't have a GPS to sync via satellites, way less power hungry, but a networked node has NTP so it's just frivolous (and I say this having put RTCs on the 3 Femtfox CEs and 1 Smolfox I've built)

if you're stick the node way up in an inaccessible place w/o net, perfect for that but for home use, yeah just unneeded

[mortal wind]

Depending on internet for time for an off-grid protocol is silly, but alas that’s a point.

[jaunty harness]

gps, ntp, rtc, mesh - you only really need time at boot and the first 3 can provide it more accurately than random node from the mesh 🤷

actually i guess it's 5 sources with Babelfox since the LTE Modem also can do NTP

[midnight mural]

I’m around this weekend a little if you want to meet. PM me 🙂

[proven grove]

Yep, I can vouch for this one.

[proven grove]

If you're in an established mesh, you don't need to worry about it, because someone is bound to have GPS, a network connection or an RTC. So you'll just pull mesh-time.

[maiden thistle]

I leave gps enabled on my T1000-E for this reason

[midnight mural]

But I worry like it’s my job, so is it ok for me to to get a RTC anyway 🙃

[midnight mural]

I have one of those I got for a raspi somewhere! Woo!

[jaunty harness]

make sure it's the TP-Link, I have an older Edimax branded one that's same form factor/chipset but is flakey af in use vs the TP-Link

itll work for like 5mins, then play dead for 12hrs, then come back for a few mins, then dead again

[proven grove]

Sounds like a heat issue

[jaunty harness]

yeah except it's powered up and hot the whole time it's dead, just old/crappy adaptor issue and not worth any effort when the solution is $10

[jaunty harness]

Took a while to dig out a screen that’s Vcc/GND not GND/Vcc

[midnight mural]

Need some more stuff, but it’s begun

[jaunty harness]

Yeah needs AllAboutJake's awesome FemtoBox case 😄

[midnight mural]

Lots of notes for that print. I like where it’s going, but I’d like something more plug and play. Maybe sleeping on it will help

[proven grove]

Plug and play how? Not trying to defend it, I'm just curious.

Alley's case is far more involved. If you use the screenless option for Jake's it's a super easy drop-in.

I also HIGHLY recommend these: https://a.co/d/fUvoQga

I've also used this IC (not this specific board, I opted for STEMMA/QWIIC connectors so had to get the Adafruit from DigiKey), to add additional GPIO's, however, a rotary encoder isn't supported yet, and you'd need to roll your own image.
https://a.co/d/izOdTzF

It's A GPIO expander over i2c since there's 0 available pins on the pico mini.

@jaunty harness how many foxes have you built at this point? Not including the babelfucks.

[midnight mural]

I think the taping things because it’s tight was standing out to me….but I think after sleeping on it, it’s pretty well documented what to look out for.

[jaunty harness]

Was Adafruit not in-stock or you had other bits from Digikey? Only ask because USPS from Adafruit within NYC has been consistent 2 business days for like 20 years .
Per Foxes... 3 Femtofoxes + 2 Smolfoxes (not including* Babelfux)

[jaunty harness]

and a couple of Femtofox PCBs as PiHats (i'd have to check noted and think if it's 2 or 3... think it's 2 though, one being 1W for Gardener)

[proven grove]

I didn't find the Adafruit on Amazon. And if I'm going for first time, "could be counterfeit if purchased from Amazon" parts, I tend to do one offs from LCSC, Mouser or DigiKey.

Didn't think to buy Adafruit direct TBH lol

[jaunty harness]

HAH, yeah if they did Will Call / pickup it'd be even better but in ye olden times you couldn't just get Adafruit off amazon/digikey so I would do cheap-ass USPS Priority and still use it today cause it's always been reliably quick within NYC

[abstract iron]

oh man will call would be cool. couple that with microcenter right nearby

[jaunty harness]

the no will call has always been their policy unfortunately, which considering the logistics and size of the operation for the first years is 100000% understandable

[midnight mural]

I wish they did will call, and tours ROFL

[abstract iron]

also will call could be dangerous if it starts to overlap as support or tire kicking etc

[abstract iron]

cool to get flight checkins

[jaunty harness]

between JFK, LGA and EWR you'd think we have more of them... well maybe not EWR the way things are going over there lately

[abstract iron]

I'm flying in July I'll try it out. still surprised it works tbh

[jaunty harness]

heh you're free of the interference AND have amazing height, of course it works well 😄

[midnight mural]

I pizza party ping packet blast like there is no tomorrow on planes…sorry not sorry America

[proven grove]

I just had to reread this 4x to get it sounding right

[karmic junco]

I'm thoroughly convinced that the meat in the McDonald's double cheese in burger is not the same as the one in the big mac

[midnight mural]

Lots of p’s in a row

[abstract iron]

yes but balance against hiding inside metal etc heh. looking forward to trying it...

https://www.seeedstudio.com/Wio-Tracker-L1-Pro-p-6454.html?

👀

[glossy pine]

Great price for a ready to go option

[jaunty harness]

the 4-way joystick is interesting, i've been wondering if those are useful vs a rotary encoder I have on a fulltec build

[karmic junco]

Real messages!!

[jaunty harness]

haha nice! PARK is east side of Central Park IIRC so that's some range

[midnight mural]

One day it would be nice to make contact to that node since I’m close lol

[karmic junco]

Problem is there is no way that happened without an assist

But it's an assist by either a fringe unit or a unit just passing by

[jaunty harness]

I’m gonna go with AMR2 relayed it… because it’s positioning makes it likely and I miss Ray saying hi to everyone

[glass marsh]

so do you guys think 12w of solar and 10k mah battery would be enough for the femtofox ?

in a pretty good south facing location

im thinking this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09ZL3F7CT?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title&th=1 and a powerbank in a waterproof box

[merry orbit]

Hey y'all. I'm visiting from Florida for the weekend if you see my PTPX / 22f8 node around 👋

[tough acorn]

My new Indicator. Nice color display with built in node.

[jaunty harness]

nice! that's the... Sensecap Indicator?

[tough acorn]

Yup, was seventy something bucks.

[midnight mural]

Sense is on a roll. I like that thing a lot….would be great for the office because I could see messages right at my desk, no phone.

[abstract iron]

got your base node appearance but no nodeinfo name (how do we call this?) about 1 h ago

[jaunty harness]

NODEINFO is the packet type with the "owner name" as it's called in python cli, or "Long Name" in iOS/macOS app

[merry orbit]

Nice! Hopefully I'll ping you again tomorrow and it'll all go over

[karmic junco]

Biggest panel and biggest battery you can fit

[karmic junco]

The UI is a little... Lacking.

Needs some tweaks for the on screen keyboard

[midnight mural]

But at least it can only get better from here!

[abstract iron]

anecdotally my WinMesh solar node had more range mounted on the bird node (i.e. solar facing up and the body of the unit parallel to the ground) vs now that it's flat mounted parallel to the window...

xam and pork it's harder to get your nodes in the latter

[abstract iron]

Grand St is 🔥 today 0 hop to me

[karmic junco]

Anyone know of any oddness with the default settings? One of my nodes is alive (I can dm it) and then it will show up on my list. Otherwise it can go days and just go mia. Any issues with changing the broadcast interval?

[tough acorn]

I was watching the list of 167 nodes on my Sense Indicator when I saw my neighbor node Titi followed by a node named Ass. Imagine that, a little T and A on the local mesh....

[jaunty harness]

haha those are both WrongLane's node, a matching pair 😄

[jaunty harness]

they're both CLIENT or is one CLIENT_MUTE?

[mortal wind]

Meshtastic as a mixed reality challenge token seems like not a bad idea

[karmic junco]

Both client

[jaunty harness]

very weird, i'd confirm they're both set primary channel LongFast/AQ==/default slot, if there's some mismatch on the primary channel hash it could mean they're not able to hear each other's NODEINFO properly but DM would still work

[karmic junco]

Humm

[proven grove]

when you say MIA, you mean it's not in your list? or it won't receive messages?

also, what model nodes?

[jaunty harness]

very simple case for ikoka stick, beats the heck out of holding the bare pcb

[fathom scaffold]

Hiya! Just got my first device and as far as I can tell.. everything is set up correctly.

I can receive messages but I can't send anything on longfast...

Latest firmware, default channel configs... I don't know what else to poke at here

[glass marsh]

Looks like ny12 the TAK node finally ran out of juice last night

[wet shard]

Are you still using the cavity filter? Vernon could use one if possible…

[jaunty harness]

ignore + rebroadcast mode CORE_PORTS_ONLY means I haven't heard a peep outta that thing in weeks

[jaunty harness]

GrandSt seems to run a little hotter than Vernon2 from what i've seen, but both do tend live close to the 25% client ceiling

[wet shard]

im sure both could use them 🙂

[jaunty harness]

heh, fair! don't think gardener will be able to get to them until fall though - it's his busy season

that reminds me, whatever happened with Olmsted? the node went up but I don't think it ever went live

[wet shard]

it was set to client_mute and is maybe on a very old version

i have a node with its admin key saved, on the off-chance i can make it there when its nice enough out

also a ble pin if I have to / can reach

[jaunty harness]

OH are you also part of NYCMesh?

[wet shard]

nah, i was a long time ago but not really involved, just an old friend

[jaunty harness]

ahh nice!

[wet shard]

back when it was cjdns and ad-hoc and no coordination xD

[jaunty harness]

haha hey it actually went somewhere vs the old circa y2k nycwireless mailing list which was just "man it would be great if we could connect our wlans!"

[abstract iron]

how do you mean, "can't send"? you don't get ACK? what nodes do you see and what's your node id?

Ok so I want to feed my HomeAssistant with sensor data from mesh nodes. None of my nodes are on wifi, but one node is on USB-serial. Is there standardized tooling to do this or am I going to homeroll something that asks the USB node to inspect the sensors nodes and then run a local mqtt? anybody done this

edit, HomeAssistant

[jaunty harness]

have you tried https://github.com/meshtastic/home-assistant ? "Supports TCP, Serial & Bluetooth connection"

there's also the #home-assistant channel but not sure if that's general HA or specific the meshtastic repo (don't run it)

[abstract iron]

interesting no

[abstract iron]

ok it did immediately get going talking to my node I plugged into the HomeAssistant box. pretty cool

[midnight mural]

I’m hoping I get rtl_433 to do the same thing one day

[abstract iron]

might be even easier since read-only

[midnight mural]

Roger Roger

[exotic merlin]

I’ll still be experimenting with it. But I’ll holler if it ends up sitting idle for too long.

[karmic junco]

Wio 1262 it's alive just doesn't beacon

[jaunty harness]

and it's got a region / tx_enable is set true? I've had zero hw issues with any Wio1262s, has always been cfg related

(not saying yours is 100% not a hw issue but less likely than something cfg)

[karmic junco]

It could be... But I've setup 2, one has it, and one doesn't..

No changes in config. Flashes the same time

I got a Hello from Waterbury ct

So is see my wio but it says last heard 3 days ago

[karmic junco]

But it's so weird because my indicator sitting on my desk is showing up without any hops

Must be some interesting weather or something conditions

@rare sparrow thanks for the ack

[glass marsh]

@karmic junco i can see your node on ASS in SI

BBS1 is in the same location but different antenna

[karmic junco]

What... Seriously?

That's 5 hops

But did you get any messages?

[glass marsh]

yep, came in with a key mismatch so i removed it, but it was there

nope

but thats probably because of the key mismatch

[karmic junco]

Perhaps my understanding of key mismatch needs improvement.

I thought that was just when you have a key that doesn't match mine.

[glass marsh]

no, that happens if you do an erase when you flash it but not restore the old keys

my node should get your new key the next time it sees it

wait sorry... that wasnt your node i saw... it was that "mobile" node on top of your screenshot

i thought that was you... whats your short name ?

[karmic junco]

That one is 60ab

[glass marsh]

no havent seen that one

[abstract iron]

4442 is me

[karmic junco]

Looks like I saw you responding to 9556... And not to me 60ab)

Oh shoot. Disregard

Neith r or you was responding to me

[karmic junco]

Was =were

[rare sparrow]

Not getting your ack message but the next message 😂 @abstract iron

[karmic junco]

I guess I only heard you guys but not enough to send anything.

[daring moth]

When you edit messages, I don't believe it adjusts who gets pinged.

[rare sparrow]

Oops

To whoever got pinned

[brazen spear]

Anyone hear of the lefty radio league before?

[jaunty harness]

huh, hadn't heard of them but pretty sure that's the address of P.I.T.

heh yeah it's the record store which apparently also has an "XFR Collective" banner in streetview that I never noticed passing by

[glossy pine]

They’re also cohosts of the anarchist book fare, they were interested in having someone give a talk about how to assemble simple Meshtastic radios for off grid comms

[jaunty harness]

oh nice! i've only passed by the store but never stopped in

[merry orbit]

PTP / 22f8 heading out after a great weekend, thanks for all the fun and contacts! 👋

[proven grove]

I can't believe I'm actually admiting this aloud:
@jaunty harness - I'm debating on ordering the new Ikoka, because I'm bored AF and need something to build that actually works, that doesn't require jumper wire, cut traces or any other type of tomfuckery that we've had to do lately.

[jaunty harness]

haha if I hadn't gone full PCBA and had spare PCB/parts I'd hook you up

and having frankensteined 3 Babelfoxes now, I DEFINITELY HEAR YA

I'm thinking of making some piggyback PCBs for the CH341A/B dongle boards, maybe for some RA-01SH-P I got in (still a RAD1SH hater, but 29dBm @ 3.3V is very interesting)

[proven grove]

no ones built one with it yet, i think its out of fear of the power requirements lol
i have 3 in my drawer

[jaunty harness]

I took a look yesterday and seems like pins aren't 1:1 but haven't really investigated more than that

OH and not sure if you caught it in #1302945239689990185 but the Pico "B" NAND is on spi2.0 not spi0.0 and meshtasticd works fine for me (also need to poke at it more, haven't used ubi/mtd before)

[brazen spear]

What is this?!?!

[jaunty harness]

Luckfox Pico Mini

that's what's on the Femtofox, and pretty sure I used a Femtofox PCB for your 1W Pi Hat (because it's got more than one use cause NomDeTom makes the best boards)

[brazen spear]

You can firmware update through ssh???

[jaunty harness]

sorta... only "firmware" is meshtasticd aka linux-native, so you get it via apt

[brazen spear]

Must discuss this further.

[jaunty harness]

HAHA i'm here for it (and have since gotten* the one part I was missing so can whip up a full Femtofox build)

[wet shard]

You can use the pi as a microcontroller for the purposes of communicating with the radio

[midnight mural]

I think with all of my travels with my nodes, I’m at that point where something is fucky as I’m in SoCal, land of hundreds of nodes, and I see like 10.

I want to wipe them, but I know we talk about backing some stuff up, so what should I be doing; backup up my public keys? What else is critical?

[jaunty harness]

privateKey is what you need to backup, publickey can be regenerated from it so that's the absolute minimum but also most important thing.
python cli: meshtastic --get security.private_key
iOS/macOS: copy from Settings > Security and paste somewhere
Android: as I understand you can do a full config backup but otherwise the same copy/paste should suffice

there's also different flavors of node "reset", one is just a cfg (but not keys, which along with bluetooth pairings should be retained) meshtastic --factory-reset and the other will blow away your cfg, keys and bt pairings similair to a "nuke" aka LFS erase which is meshtastic --factory-reset-device - i'd back up keys for either to avoid any possible headaches

[midnight mural]

you are the man, thank you!

so to summarize, if I am going to LFS nuke it, I should save my private keys, and I can go from there and set everything else up from there.

[jaunty harness]

yeah, though again that's the minimum - if you're using meshtastic cli you can do meshtastic --export-config > node.yaml and get the full cfg dump and then meshtastic --config node.yaml to restore it (which will likely take 2-5 tries of rerunning the command for it to fully take in all the settings)

[midnight mural]

sweet, I will mess with that when I need a work distraction

thank you @jaunty harness I'll report later

[midnight mural]

Connected to radio
INFO file:node.py factoryReset line:662 Telling node to factory reset (full device reset)

work can wait a bit 🙂

Writing modified configuration to device

seems to be going. I had to set the lora region before I sent the config back

[midnight mural]

SoCal mesh seems to be split on LF20 and MS37

[jaunty harness]

oh huh, interesting they went MS instead of MF

[karmic junco]

Oh that's been me. Lol

[karmic junco]

I printed my private channel key on a QR barcode. Is that secure? No

Is it hella better than not having anything else? Yea

[midnight mural]

That’s fun, all sorts of reasons to print QR codes out.

I always wanted one in bathrooms for WiFi creds 😂🤣

[midnight mural]

I did not officially respond, but I was able to get my nodes backed up, erased, and reconfigured.

Have some loose notes that I want to write up and post on our website.

I finally got my meshstick short name to be a pizza emoji, edited the config file and sent it. Worked like a champ. (Also added admin keys to all my nodes while I was editing config files and backing them up locally)

I’m not a Linux guru, but I love Meshtastic in a real terminal 😎

[bronze wren]

Put up a new window node based on a femtofox... works slightly better but Elmhurst is still somewhat of an island.

(Nightowl/nowl for those looking for it)

Upping the TX power helped but I think the real win is the LNA. Seems to receive my portables a bit better.

But trees regrowing leaves seems to have hurt my lines of site ever so subtly. I really need to get access to my rooftop.

Now if only I could get maintenance scripts to run faster than tar.

[blissful moon]

is alpha the best antenna?

Changed on my node.. SDT f481

[bronze wren]

I can oddly ping PARK but nothing in Astoria even though I hear those nodes easily. Does anyone know who runs them? I basically get no traces through most queens nodes going west.

I wonder if a filter would help those nodes or if they're just oddly placed.

I see SDT in my nodes list but last hit was 4 days ago... probably just luck.

I'll be on bike heading southward so my meshing will improve and I'll see what I pick up.

[jaunty harness]

ZuMBle / Ray runs AMR1 and 2

Femto's def shout well thanks to the LNA but there's been some discussion around the RX lately in... one of the DIY channels, but basically seems like it needs some filtering on the RX to balance out. I def have interesting results with myne, like once/twice a day I'll get a straightshot across houston st from williamsburg to feeb's BOKN direct, other times it's 2 hopping through the city

[blissful moon]

Was off.. turn on back yesterday night.

[jaunty harness]

You can't set them >22dBm though, the LNA is ~8dBm and you'll blow it out but there's some firmware controls to keep it capped at 22dBm IIRC, the 2W radios not so much and those you get serious shenanigans to be sure you're at 9 dBm max power or you'll blow out the 20-whatever dBm LNA in the 33S

[bronze wren]

I sometimes crosscheck on the nyme.sh dashboard but I find my nodes rarely hit that unless I bump hops to 7 from 5. That little jumble of nodes seems to lose everything I send by wasting hops.

7 gets me barely useable messaging with friends. 5 is no better than 3. It's useless outside of hyperlocal messaging (1 mile or less).

Yeah. I need to play more on balance. I do a lot of walking recon to check where my blindspots are here.

I'm working on getting some better node locations here which could open up a bit of the area but so far I've not had luck getting access to ideal rooftops.

[bronze wren]

I might order a few extra 33s radios stand-alone. I kinda want to build up more custom nodes. femtofox was a nice chance to see it in action. I have a large array of portable devices where a simple TTL interface is trivial to add.

[jaunty harness]

it's a dropin for the 30S but yeah, shenanigans when you first boot it up and firmware thinks it's a 30S so sets 22dBm and blammo - you just fried the LNA. so you have to set tx.max_power before region to avoid that - I put MAX_POWER 8 labels on the 2 I've built but it's just super easy to shoot yourself in the foot and not really sure how much better it is vs 30S/1W (concrete and steel still absorb all that RF)

but then sometimes 1W talks to 1W across downtown and who knows, 2W may actually be the cure 😄

[glossy pine]

Hypothetically if you all had the opportunity to put a radio 1000ft up on a building in Manhattan that has sightlines all the way to Long Island what type of device might you favor?

[jaunty harness]

start with a RAK, see how it goes ?

[glossy pine]

Na I’m not talking about illicit access

[mortal wind]

Would it be a store and Forward client or a ROUTER?

[twin root]

That's me! My solar is fucked so it shuts off at night lol

[jaunty harness]

yeah I think the 1W<->1W works better from matching "ears" but I also keep a close eye on my RX but have only seen myne go into weak RX mode once for an extended period and just shutdown the femto and then restarted it and the 3 nodes (2 of which weren't myne) it was seeing started climbing back up again

(which could have been meshtasticd as much as the 30S's sensitivity issue where too much neighboring interference desensitizes RX until you twiddle RESET or power cycle)

[glossy pine]

I’d think router probably would be optimal use of this location given that it has views of Manhattan south of midtown, the whole of queens, Brooklyn, most of the Bronx, and a deep stretch of Long Island

[mortal wind]

oh? I’m also setting up a repeater near the elevated areas in Queens that could bridge Queens and Brooklyn.

[jaunty harness]

what do you think ROUTER or REPEATER will do for you that a CLIENT won't?

[mortal wind]

I’m installing this node to connect to other nodes with my friends in a close area. They are going to have their own nodes and I’m configuring them to bounce through there, a bonus side effect would be linking the nodes between Brooklyn and Queens

Their location is near hillside which has potential to meet the requirements of the roles. I don’t want to add to the noise directly l, which is why I joined here. I saw in https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1361056009061142528 that the opportunity to have another node there is possible.

Besides, if not, I’ll stick with the usual CLIENT and CLIENT_MUTE respectively.

[jaunty harness]

"configuring them to bounce there" is a misnomer, it's a mesh not hub/spoke - there's no way I'm aware of to force nodes to only use a single node for routing, they just send their packet out into the ether and whatever hears is will then rebroadcast

[twin root]

I have an inline cavity filter so hopefully this is not an issue with my setup. How do you see when it enters this mode? Is there a log?

[twin root]

Router is not useful for this as it will cancel client retransmissions and shrink the mesh around it. Router_late or client will work much better. Almost no placement in a city is good for the router role

[fervent nebula]

I feel like we should just change the website to say "Don't use ROUTER mode. No, not even if you have a good place to put it. No, not even if you're sure it's perfect. Just don't."

[mortal wind]

It’s literally a elevation race atp.

[glossy pine]

Not 1000 ft up with power and 30-40 mile sightlines north south and east?

[bronze wren]

Maybe newer firmware should treat ROUTER as a synonym for CLIENT.

[glossy pine]

I mean I’m just going off your rec @twin root, except higher than that

#1202833898376138752 message

[twin root]

Lots of people want a reword including me lol

Couldn't agree with that sentiment more

[twin root]

Yeah even then it's sketchy. Because we don't know where every node is, it's likely we will cancel a retransmission that would have otherwise bridged an edge node.

The benefit is that it reduces traffic but... Yeah... It's reducing traffic because it's shrinking the total hop distance a packet can go lol so not really a solution

Router_late could be super interesting for this use case tho

[mortal wind]

this is the information I signed up for

[jaunty harness]

ROUTER_CLIENT was changed in ... late 2.4.x IIRC so it's just cosmetic - you're a CLIENT in all ways - also agree with the sentiment to gate the infra roles behind remote admin, people will just click through any warning otherwise but if you can't set infra w/o remote admin you have to actually have some sense of what you're doing

[mortal wind]

This feature specifically.

I cropped it better

[ashen venture]

I think ROUTER_LATE would be a good fit for 1k ft. There are a few solar nodes in the hudson valley at 1300ft+ that operate in that mode without stomping on traffic.

[glossy pine]

Router_late sounds like a good move

[ashen venture]

If you're okay spending some money: https://atlavox.com/products/atlavox-beacon-solar-meshtastic-node

5W panel, 5kmah battery. Add the temperature chip so you can monitor internal thermals

[glossy pine]

Super fascinating device, tho unnecessary for the particular use case since I’d be able to plug it in. This one could be great for something tho

[ashen venture]

The harbor breeze builds seem to be holding up okay on a roof install I did with one of the 3d-printed antenna mount designs. I'm a little cautious about summer heat and winter, but time will tell how it holds up.

[twin root]

Yeah I love router_late because it doesn't kill anyone's rtx. That being said, client is probably better for a city use case

Those altavox boxes are what the Hudson valley people use outdoors, pricey but cool

[mortal wind]

The node I’m looking to install is purely to connect the mesh from here to Jamaica/Hollis area to repeat traffic.

[glass marsh]

ASS has been upgraded to a Station G2 and a cavity filter

[mortal wind]

(here being from metro).

[ashen venture]

I wonder if it would help punch through the higher noise floor to receive traffic from outside the city. (although maybe that isn't desirable if traffic is already high)

Although it'd probably need some filtering for that to work

[exotic merlin]

Let me know how this goes. I just moved off of my Station G2 with a cavity filter because it just wasn’t performing very well. Maybe I just misconfigured something.

[glass marsh]

sure, but so far its looking good, the only thing i can think of is dont set the TX higher then 16

it was a heltev v3 with this amp and no filter before the g2 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DQBJVR91?ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_fed_asin_title

which was working pretty well also

[stoic gazelle]

If it's convenient, could you test the performance without the cavity filter? I'm curious if the Station G2 can now work on its own in relatively high noise environments 🙂

[glass marsh]

Going to run it with the filter for a few days then maybe try without

[abstract iron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1l2d4lj/direct_line_of_sight_is_important/

[twin root]

wont make a difference in interference tolerance without filtering. The roles dont increase any sort of gain or error correction

[twin root]

yeah that is a decent use case for this role. That being said, have remote admin programmed in so you can swap around in the case its behaving poorly.

[mortal wind]

The thing is I don’t want it to show up at all on the nodes list. It’s purely used to repeat the traffic from other multiple nodes in a small area.

[daring moth]

Any specific reason for the stealth?

[mortal wind]

The people who are interested in where I’m installing the node doesn’t want to show up on the mesh map for their own privacy.

or on the mesh DB

but they are interested in supporting meshtastic.

[daring moth]

The exact location is obscured to the nearest 0.9 miles (1.5 km) grid coordinate by default. That number can be increased.

[mortal wind]

1.5 miles is a pretty small radius considering the lack of nodes that are discovered so far in Queens.

[daring moth]

The highest configurable value is 14.5 miles.

[daring moth]

Just leave the short name to be the default, seemingly random but consistent value. The default long name is the text Meshtastic and then the short name. You don't need to give the node a descriptive name.

[ashen venture]

CLIENT_HIDDEN should do that, although it will still show up in traceroutes and direct traffic. Make sure you favorite the node before doing this or it will drop off your node list.

[glass marsh]

You can disable location completely...

[abstract iron]

yah I just turned mine off for portable nodes

pizza I'm looking at midtown you got your nodes on

[maiden thistle]

Hmm. T1000-E with the iOS app was not receiving any messages all of yesterday. I reset nodedb and it’s working as expected again

[karmic junco]

New meaning to "captive portal"

[karmic junco]

This only works as much as not being listed in telephone book, but still having a glowing billboard on top of your house.

[karmic junco]

You don't need to broadcast location at all. Can't hide the RF though.

[midnight mural]

Yes, but we are all in SoCal meshing this week

[abstract iron]

ohhhh

[karmic junco]

I have yet to have 1 actual back and forth conversation with anyone on LF

[mortal wind]

So far from the replies I got for best practice to configure this node is:

• Turn off location if can, if accidentally turns on for whatever reason, the location data can be approximated to ~15 mile radius
• set node do CLIENT_HIDDEN as the role, keep the node favorited, and log PSKs for remote admin
• Keep on default naming schemes/settings for shortname/longname

[daring moth]

The first bullet point is missing on my Discord app, for some reason.
Edit: it's fixed.

[mortal wind]

Discord rendered each bulletpoint as a seperate list, yeah

[daring moth]

The middle bullet point is overkill, IMO.

[mortal wind]

apologies

[mortal wind]

Where is going, remote access is the best option

and its bluetooth only

[daring moth]

I mean the first part of the middle bullet point (CLIENT_HIDDEN role).

[mortal wind]

there will be other CLIENT nodes in the same space, as I’m trying to use this node as a gateway.

[daring moth]

As long as the other CLIENT nodes are at a similar vantage point, that should be okay. I still don't understand why you think that CLIENT_HIDDEN is so critical.

[mortal wind]

the other nodes will be closer to ground level than to the vantage point.

[daring moth]

IIUC, the CLIENT_HIDDEN role will not do anything to mitigate the negative effects of that.

[mortal wind]

What role would be appropriate to counteract the negative effects for a node like this?

[daring moth]

If high channel utilization isn't a big issue in the area, you could set the node that's at a good vantage point to ROUTER_LATE. Otherwise, I'd recommend experimenting with switching it between CLIENT and ROUTER_LATE, and only keeping it on the latter if we notice a significant improvement in the regional mesh.

[twin root]

Regardless of transmitting node info, it will show up on node lists and the nodeid will be transmitted soo....

It will show up as unknown node

[mortal wind]

That is the obfuscation I’m willing to accept in this protocol.

[daring moth]

Assuming position is disabled, unknown nodes are almost identical to a node with their short and long names set to the default.

[daring moth]

It will broadcast uptime, local channel utilization, and battery charge level occasionally, but not much more than that.

[twin root]

You can actually disable all of that

Except nodeinfo

There's no increase privacy if you're not transmitting your nodeid

As long as you don't transmit location, and in theory if you wanted to not transmit any telemetry which is fine (like battery etc) That's probably as far as you need to go

[cyan drum]

i dont like how affirmatech's node map ignores MQTT preference

it maps evvverything

[jaunty harness]

at least it's disabled by default, unlike auto-traceroute

[cyan drum]

thats true

updated to x.x.10

noticed there still aren't many nodes around where I am (water to the west, nothing in bath beach or dyker heights)

[mortal wind]

yeah I haven’t seen much activity around canarsie or anywhere facing Jamaica Wildlife Bay

there are few nodes in LI, but thats it.

[cyan drum]

still holding out on switching to medium slow yeah?

all my stuff is still on longfast

[midnight mural]

I am with you too, only when I go downtown can I get on the action. Midtown is a hole

[daring moth]

Has anyone ever done an experiment to see how many skyscrapers LoRa can pass through, at ground level?

[jaunty harness]

I'd guess <1 unless there's enough un-treated glass

[midnight mural]

I can hit my home nodes 4-5 blocks away but that’s about it….when I’m war walking or whatever

[jaunty harness]

i'm still amazed and impressed when I make the daily shot across Houston to BOKN

[daring moth]

In zero hops?

[jaunty harness]

yeah direct

-17.5/-106

it usually bounces through P2NY but once, sometimes twice, a day it hits direct

[midnight mural]

That I cannot answer. I DM node to node and it acks, but I don’t do trace routes to really know. I’ll add it to my list of things to test out

[daring moth]

It should say in the node list how many hops away the last contact was.

[blissful moon]

which nodes are doing the nyme.sh meshview and etc? Just want to see if I'm reaching

[fervent nebula]

looks like those contributing to mqtt polled by the meshview etc are: Steiner Studios Tower (SST), dkBase (dk), and Westfield South Side (WFL0)

[midnight mural]

That’s assuming it’s up to date, no?

[ashen venture]

I use CLIENT_HIDDEN just so I don't annoy others with extra beacons from unmonitored radios. Have one in a high point in my building to bounce my handheld off of. Have another connected to an offline mesh sense.

[ashen venture]

I run mine in its own network namespace with no routes to the internet just in case it's logging all of the traffic against my wishes. I'm sure they're great and trustworthy, but it's free open-source software so...

[daring moth]

I thought Meshtastic automatically reduces the frequency of NodeInfo packets during congestion. WDYM by "annoy others"?

[ashen venture]

There's an upper maximum number of nodes in the client list. (100, I think?) If I've got 6 radios but only 1 is connected to my phone, CLIENT_HIDDEN keeps me from clogging others' node list.

[daring moth]

That's only for nodes themselves. The apps, when paired with a node, can store significantly more nodes.

[ashen venture]

At least on Android, my experience is that devices drop off. Before I updated to beta release, I couldn't favorite devices and some of my remote radios dropped off entirely.

I'm north of the city and we get a lot of one-way spam so without favorites I completely lose some of my radios.

[daring moth]

Okay, so when that bug is fixed, I guess you could switch back to CLIENT.

[ashen venture]

Yeah I suppose so. I generally prefer to only transmit when necessary. My packets may reach farther than I realize. Maybe my local net isn't congested, by my packet gets relayed somewhere that is.

I also run my handheld in CLIENT_MUTE. But that's mostly to preserve battery. I don't need my handheld to relay packets.

Speaking of bugs, I find the environmental module information to be very spotty. I'm trying to monitor how the harbor breeze solar units do on hot days like today in various conditions (no cooling, passive copper cooling, passive aluminum cooling, and with 60ma fans wired to the panels venting through plastic straws). But the telemetry broadcast is very irregular and I'm not sure why.

[wet shard]

has anyone tested out different presets for nyc? im reading this now as it was linked in another channel in this guild https://meshtastic.org/blog/why-your-mesh-should-switch-from-longfast/

[boreal pelican]

hey y'all, I'm about to be totally new to this. i just ordered a WisBlock starter kit. eventually I'll put it on my roof with an enclosure and a large antenna, till then I'll just be messing with the basics. anything i should do to help with the NY Mesh?

[daring moth]

The default settings are good. Keep an eye out for if and when we switch to another radio preset, as @wet shard asked about.

[daring moth]

If you have multiple nodes on a single property, keep the one with the best vantage point on the CLIENT role, and set all the others to the CLIENT_MUTE role.

[boreal pelican]

good to know, thank you. I'll leave it that way. if i add any more they will be portable.

[midnight mural]

Welcome to the chaos.

nyme.sh has some info to help get you going but we are here to help

[boreal pelican]

not much chaos here on Staten Island, but i would like to change that.

[midnight mural]

Be the chaos you want to see! I have always liked that saying 🙂

[boreal pelican]

everything else i do is chaotic so, yeah, maybe my SI node with a tall enough antenna i could reach the Brooklyn ones.

[jaunty harness]

nRF52 devices are limited to 80, esp32 with more memory can go up to 150-250 depending on available freespace in 2.6.x (think it was .4 or .5 that bumped up the limit) - that's total devices though, you favorite or ignore a node? that's one an entry in your nodeDB under same limit

[jaunty harness]

some of us played around with MediumFast like a month ago, really we need to coordinate with Gardener's schedule to have him try flipping the NYCMesh location nodes (or... I suppose you since you mentioned having remote admin on them? he also mentioned you being over his place when we were talking yesterday 😄 )

Staten Island actually has decent # of nodes, but also chaos like NY12 running ATAK and DE64 I believe it was that had what we suspect was modified firmware as was spamming out telemetry every ~5s eating all of the available airtime for anyone near the college it was located at

[boreal pelican]

i checked out this map, i thought it was only these.

[jaunty harness]

what i've seen from SI nodes broadcasting position in past...5-6ish weeks

not everyone uses the maps or shares positions though they are def worth looking at!

[boreal pelican]

is that map on a public website?

[daring moth]

I'm pretty sure it's from the app, directly connected to one of their nodes.

[boreal pelican]

great, I'll do more exploring once my unit arrives. I'll get a better antenna after, but ... exactly how terrible is the PCB antenna that comes with the kit?

[daring moth]

Except for the Seeed Studio SenseCap Card Tracker T1000-E, usually quite bad.

[boreal pelican]

i thought as much, I'll be getting one to stick in a window first, then eventually an outdoor unit.

[wet shard]

Yeah I’m easing into a lot of radio adjacent stuff, so might start helping maintain infra. I should really get something on my roof

Also maybe we can host a little in person gathering sometime. I’m just chilling at Roberta’s right now

Though I’d prefer to coordinate entirely over the mesh

[jaunty harness]

The RAK PCB Antennas are surprisingly good for their size/construction, but you will def do even better with a 915MHz-tuned Gizont (available from aliexpress or Muzi)

[jaunty harness]

we had a sort of last-minute impromptu one at Hack Manhattan, and I've met up with a couple people (including Gardener) at my place to hand off equipment. there's the Radio For Emergencies on the 18th which might work since it's Meshtastic related (and my lazy ass only has to walk around the corner and down a few blocks 😄 )

[wet shard]

True I hope I will be in town for that work might make me travel 😦

[boreal pelican]

I'm looking at Muzi now, i assume that any bigger antenna i buy is going to need to adapt to the tiny U.FL connector on the board.

[jaunty harness]

yeah you'll need a "pigtail" for U.FL/IPEX connector that goes to SMA (NOT RP-SMA!) which is the most common connector type for the general-use antennas, it's the bigger (1ft+) antennas that use the bigger/thicker N-Type connector which is more suited for outdoor installation

[boreal pelican]

i remember N-Types, i used that when i built a Wifi Can-Tenna several years ago.

[jaunty harness]

oh nice, so yeah SMA is almost definitely what the Gizont's are gonna use - but it's always good to take a close look at the descriptions and pics to verify the connector looks as you'd expect (e.g. smaller for SMA/larger for N - and especially that one has a pin and one has a socket though you can get adaptors pretty cheap for SMA<->N and RP-SMA<->SMA if you do misorder so not the end of the world)

[mortal wind]

irl discord with these nodes

[midnight mural]

The pizza joint in BK that hosts drum and bass parties!?!?!?

[blissful moon]

if I remove the node at the web interface if he communicate with the node he will be back?

[wet shard]

Didn’t know about dnb parties but yeah

I recall a radio station operating there. Maybe they’d host a node

[midnight mural]

Yup, been to a few legit pizza parties there 😂🤣

🍕🍕

[jaunty harness]

whoa, Woodbine lives!

[abstract iron]

wait what is this Radio for Emergency thing?

[abstract iron]

Robertas has dnb???

[abstract iron]

grumble my solar node lost battery again. parallel to window is really no good

[jaunty harness]

~35degrees

or wait, is it ~45degrees cause summer? i'm spacing

@proven grove I have some ikoka stick PCBs on the way (slowly) from a buddy if you wanna just round up the components for your build

[proven grove]

Your timing sucks... lol
I just ordered from JLC not even 6 hours ago. Along with a Fixed E80-tec straight from Vardas and some meshtoads

[jaunty harness]

Loooong day, I didnt see message until now 8/

Tell me more about the fixed E80, or I guess when you built one and confirmed fixed 😄

[karmic junco]

Scorcher tomorrow

[jaunty harness]

And which toads? I have both in my “PCBs to order” list cause I couldn’t decide on one or the other

[karmic junco]

I can barely stay awake.

Going to watch 18th century cooking techniques to fall asleep ro

[midnight mural]

Yaaaaaaas! I’ve been to two DrivenAM events there.

https://www.drivenamrecordings.com

[proven grove]

Think this is the furthest TR I've ever successfully completed*.

*while in Dobbs Ferry

[ashen venture]

Oh hey you've reached the Cold Spring/West Point area

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Ghj27Bm8NfYC97Tv5

[proven grove]

I was at the train station, right on the Hudson, so that makes sense.

[ashen venture]

Looking at that trace, most radios can go direct to Bull Hill. Not sure why it bounced around so much

[proven grove]

It was my rinky dink pocket T114 with a stubby, routed to my car node with an Alfa on it. The rest I can't really speak to

[ashen venture]

Yeah I was looking at the reply back. At most it should really on go solar -> (unknown) -> Bull Hill -> you. But instead it bounced around a bunch of local stuff before getting to Bull Hill. I guess that's because Bull Hill is in ROUTER_LATE. I haven't dug into how the trace protocol works or what the delay is between packets.

[abstract iron]

damn a Meshtastic/junglist overlap

[midnight mural]

I didn’t think there would be this overlap, but here we are 😎

https://link.dice.fm/0YK8k7l9WTb?sharer_id=5e5ebc22d30dd01f6b1340b6

going to that soon!!!!!!!

I really do love NYC, everyone and everything makes this place awesome 🍕

[mortal wind]

closer to a circle than a venn diagram

Offgrid comms and jungle music sounds appropriate.

[jaunty harness]

especially the pizza? 😄

[blissful moon]

little help here...

Jun 05 10:03:55 rasp-meshtastic.barrettmartins.com meshtasticd[98706]: INFO | 14:03:54 2143 [Router] Received Admin from=0x0, id=0x1c45bd92, portnum=6, payloadlen=2
Jun 05 10:03:55 rasp-meshtastic.barrettmartins.com meshtasticd[98706]: INFO | 14:03:54 2143 [Router] Ignore local admin payload because is_managed
Jun 05 10:03:55 rasp-meshtastic.barrettmartins.com meshtasticd[98706]: INFO | 14:03:54 2143 [Router] Asked module 'Admin' to send a response
Jun 05 10:03:55 rasp-meshtastic.barrettmartins.com meshtasticd[98706]: INFO | 14:03:54 2143 [Router] Received routing from=0x0, id=0x1c45bd92, portnum=6, payloadlen=2
Jun 05 10:03:55 rasp-meshtastic.barrettmartins.com meshtasticd[98706]: INFO | 14:03:54 2143 [Router] Asked module 'routing' to send a response
Jun 05 10:03:55 rasp-meshtastic.barrettmartins.com meshtasticd[98706]: WARN | 14:03:54 2143 [Router] Alloc an err=8,to=0xeb7df481,idFrom=0x1c45bd92,id=0x80c56d77
Jun 05 10:03:55 rasp-meshtastic.barrettmartins.com meshtasticd[98706]: INFO | 14:03:54 2143 [Router] Received routing from=0xeb7df481, id=0x80c56d77, portnum=5, payloadlen=2

[midnight mural]

Especially the pizza🍕

I’ve been missing the pizza this week, but have been loading up on nodes and tacos in SoCal 🌮🌮

[jaunty harness]

Seeed's running a "mid-year tech fiesta" sale with some decent discounts

[wet shard]

its weird, all the items in 'flash sale' say they have no discount

[jaunty harness]

huh, i picked up some WioSX1262 radios which were $3.89 and def discounted from usual $4.29, maybe only things shipping from Cali warehouse?

[daring moth]

I wonder what happens if you backorder a discounted item. Such as https://www.seeedstudio.com/XIAO-nRF52840-Wio-SX1262-Kit-for-Meshtastic-p-6400.html.

[jaunty harness]

should be you get charged the discounted price, but still need to wait for it to ship

[mortal wind]

currently carrying around two nodes, too much crosstalk?

[jaunty harness]

are they both CLIENT?

[mortal wind]

one is on mute

[jaunty harness]

then should be fine, it's when there's two CLIENTs (or other roles that will rebroadcast within the same CLIENT limits) that they can start stomping on each other

[mortal wind]

I can’t wait for the day nyme.sh switches presets from LongFast

[amber edge]

someone's just gotta lead the initiative

[midnight mural]

I’m always down for a switch, I can’t hear shit in midtown

I’m just waiting for a smarter person to go:

we are going XXXX

[daring moth]

I personally wouldn't want to hear literal 💩. Figurative is okay.

[abstract iron]

P2NY you're Wash Sq or something?

this is just my t1000e sitting on an indoor table with a downtown window. pretty good

[midnight mural]

Being technically correct is the best kind of correct! And you are correct!

[cerulean thorn]

Be careful with mesh pocket

Fell off desk and shattered

I contacted heltec bc this is kinda bullshit

[frail grotto]

Roof of a building next to wsq park

[abstract iron]

great

[normal osprey]

The only reason I’m voting against this is because there hasn’t been (or I haven’t seen) proper discussion or testing around which preset to move to.

[mortal wind]

Definitely. are you able to hit a high node count on your clients for your nodes? I only suggested medfast because of the amount of nodes I was able to connect to between Brooklyn, Queens, and the city.

It far excceeded the threshold which could be contribuitng to the sparseness on Channel 0

as other metro meshes have moved on to a different preset: Bay Area is a larger mesh, but checks out with a different preset.

[normal osprey]

From my apartment window, I currently have 249 nodes in my list, of which 104 are “online”.

I definitely agree that we have likely outgrown LongFast and agree with most of the reasoning behind that.

What I don’t see is proper discussion about why Medium Fast (or Short Fast, Short Slow, etc). Moving everyone will be quite a task so I want to make sure we select the best preset for our terrain and needs.

[mortal wind]

Interestingly, the lastest Meshtastic article really summarizes a lot of what I was thinking about. as more people are getting into Meshtastic.

and most of my strong thoughts were there before, but the serendipitous timing is something I can’t ignore.

but you’re right about the processing of it all, which is why I came here.

[normal osprey]

I’ve read this article and actually got a chance to use Bay Mesh while I was in SF a few weeks ago.

Most of the discussion in here is about moving away from Long Fast which i wholeheartedly agree with. So far, no one has made a convincing argument for which preset to move to.

It seems like it has just been well intentioned recommendations but without any data to back up why MF over SF or SS or any of the other presets.

We did an adhoc test for MF a while back which most would classify as a spectacular failure since it was last minute and not very well planned out.

[amber edge]

i'm installing a node on monday that i may not have access to for a while, so it would be nice to know which preset to use

[mortal wind]

How did the experience fair in comparison to here for Channel 0? Lots of activity and more acks?

[abstract iron]

I had suggested July 1 or mumble end of August / September earlier because it would have given, maybe, enough time to warn gardner(sp) we needed to ask him to move his nodes over. And July 1 is before July 4 so it's prior to anyone being busy or bolting for the holidays. I'm in favor of a switch also but have no data on which to use.

I can see 20 percent chan util on an indoor t1e in Chelsea.

So that's why I'm in favor of the idea

I'll put "in favor" vote for these reasons

but we need the key players to go with us

not my two bicycle nodes

🫡

that said let me know if I can help test something from Chelsea or middle of WB or etc.

sorry my roof is closed right now too 😦

my downtown and east view from Chelsea could perhaps be helpful. uptown seems dead

(to test modes; I cAnt leave anything)

I could also bribe my gf with a drink at 1wtc if we need to get another tower test spot. etc.

(just some ideas that I'm not sure are any better than Haqers day to day location anyway but ..)

[normal osprey]

Probably not a fair comparison based on how I use meshtastic in nyc vs how I used it in the Bay Area but overall it worked really well.

In downtown SF and from my 21st floor hotel room in SOMA using a t1000e, performance was generally worse than I see in NYC (mostly Williamsburg for me). I think we have better placed nodes in Manhattan than they do in downtown SF.

However, outside of downtown/tall buildings… it was amazing!! From the Embarcadero to hiking in Muir woods to driving up and down the peninsula… I was getting and receiving messages very well. It seems (and I could be wrong) their focus is on connecting the Bay Area as a whole vs downtown/city connectivity.

[abstract iron]

jeez even the woods

[normal osprey]

I’m only at One South First for a few more days. Moving a few blocks North on Tuesday so Domino Park fa5a will be moved and renamed.

Now spot will have clear line of sights North vs the currently West facing sight.

[abstract iron]

I can't even get a reliable mesh in Greenpoint

just messin

when that Ghost or Window is around it's good

[normal osprey]

Yeah, i was able to see 2-3 stationary nodes and deliver messages directly to them from as deep into the woods as we went. That was a little reassuring, even though those nodes are probably unmonitored.

[abstract iron]

that was what mode again?

[normal osprey]

Bay Mesh is on Medium Slow

[jaunty harness]

We did MF because it's 1/2 the airtime for around -10% in range - we don't have a range problem within the city as much as airtime..

[brazen spear]

We will lose some good nodes like Harlem relay if we switch.

[jaunty harness]

Harlem Relay and it's old firmware is limiting some of S Bronx's connectivity cause it preempts all the clients

I'm blanking on who it was but someone came in few months ago and they're like 2-3 blocks away, can hear it relaying great but can't get out consistently because it preempts them so even like DMs down the block wouldn't go through

the owner is also a mystery, zumble tried getting them to join discord when they randomly sent out a "oh hey, i guess this thing still works" message on #LongFast back in like Jan but not response and no sign - just not great to have infra roles we can't coordinate with, because that node flipping presets and swapping roles to client or router_late would be awesome

OH @brazen spear wuddup with Olmsted?

[mortal wind]

ahh that’s unfortunate.

I take a guess they are not on mqtt?

[daring moth]

A little off-topic, but what's the theoretical range reduction when using LILYGO's T3 S3 SX1280 2.4G With PA (https://lilygo.cc/products/t3-s3-meshtastic?variant=45348460560565)?

[jaunty harness]

compared to 915MHz?

[daring moth]

Yes.

[jaunty harness]

"a lot" 😆

I haven't even bothered trying to enable the 2.4GHz on a E80-900M2213S, this is very on the low usage side from my main AP - sometimes BT just starts clobbering itself and my hygrometer scraping setup needs to be restarted

[amber edge]

does anyone know how theh bay area evaluated medium-slow and medium-fast?

[jaunty harness]

I believe RCGV_ is from there and might have some insight the blog post didn't cover

[amber edge]

If there's concern about range maybe we should talk about long slow?

[jaunty harness]

range isn't our problem, at all

[amber edge]

Ah. I interpreted gardeners message above to be a range one

[amber edge]

This one

Or is it because gardener no longer has access

[jaunty harness]

yeah pretty sure he meant presets - people have done >150miles with just RAKs and 2-3db antennas on LF

[daring moth]

IIUC, the link budget is pretty similar (source: the 20 dBm maximum power output in the LILYGO product description minus the value stated in Table 6-1 of the SX1280 datasheet), so it would be a matter of the difference in attenuation.

[brazen spear]

I gotta go back there and swap the node. The pi's wifi antenna sucks so I can't remote in. Got a better design now to give ethernet connectivity thanks to your smolfox!

If anyone wanted to donate a better antenna I wouldn't say no 😊. Was gonna use the muziworks whip but I think the alfa antenna is probably better over the long term.

https://a.co/d/gVKNobY

[jaunty harness]

i'm not saying there's an alfa sitting unused in my parts bin but... that's exactly what i'm saying

[brazen spear]

I'll put it up! Will be including bigger batterypack and solar into all of these going forward

[jaunty harness]

i'm just thinking purely in terms of frequency:range and the fact that 2.4GHz won't have airtime limits but does have a lot more interference

k, lemme dig it out and see if I also have a pigtail for it

no pigtail, just sma ones but also sma<->n-type adaptor

[abstract iron]

I'll donate

I have an extra Alfa 915 N right now if you need one for the high nodes

I was a/b mine vs pork's loan to me on the antenna analyzer

[jaunty harness]

Were they close? Pretty sure that one’s legit from SWR on my VNA, but mostly cause I bought it from Rokland 😃

[abstract iron]

Yes v close with that Amazonable VNA

like .1 or .01 +- swr I forget exactly.

not meaningfully different. was trying to answer the greater question of amazing t1e Rx vs others

reactance was same. didn't seem like any variance in manufacturing

[jaunty harness]

the E22-900M30S has gotten some scrutiny lately, specifically the RX and likely being able to benefit from RX filtering (TX through the LNA ain't a prob)

[abstract iron]

interesting. would that have to be part of the component, rather than another filter module inline with the antenna?

[abstract iron]

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/mini-circuits/ZX75BP-915-S/20526837

expensive!

[karmic junco]

Technically, nothing stops us from concurrent nodes.

[karmic junco]

Dang.. that is not very durable

[karmic junco]

I'm not seeing the seed sale

[karmic junco]

There is a good chance Harlem relay is by Columbia university

[daring moth]

And some other items.

[karmic junco]

I could have swore I did not pay this

[daring moth]

How much did you pay for your Seeed Studio SenseCap Card Tracker T1000-E?

[amber edge]

would folks recommend me using long fast for this node i'm setting up monday?

[abstract iron]

I checked. I paid $39 in January

[amber edge]

i wont have access to it for many months

[abstract iron]

for t1e

and free hook thing for buying two

[abstract iron]

probably LF but can you do remote admin?

[amber edge]

how easy is that to set up?

[rare sparrow]

You only need the public key of the admin node

Boom

Done

[amber edge]

how easy is it to get the public key?

[rare sparrow]

It’s in the security config

[abstract iron]

super easy. pick your main node you'll use for control. get pub key out of it. add to new nodes remote config. can even do in the android app and probably iOS

probably back up your main node tho so you can't lose the key!!!

Ive only done backup with Meshtastic cli but presumably app can do it(?)

[rare sparrow]

https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/remote-admin/

Official guide here

[abstract iron]

I do it on everything I set up even tho my nodes only remote like "further than Bluetooth works". pretty cool feature

[wet shard]

One thing I’ve seen in other areas are people operating a few nodes on default LF that link (name as url) to an informational website that “we are actually on another frequency”

It’s a nice thing

[abstract iron]

yah we should do that

I think Berlin is doing that?

[jaunty harness]

yeah we def don't want to cut off new people who will default to LF

[abstract iron]

I'd donate towards ppl who have the roof access putting left behind beacons

[wet shard]

Can we have a poll on the mesh so it’s not just folks in this thread who happened to see it in a very short time frame? 36% seems low. Or not, and we bifurcate the network even more xD

[jaunty harness]

That’s a good idea - seems like neither tc2 or meshingaround have an existing poll feature so maybe W2ASM can add to Hops?

[proven grove]

If we're finally going solar, I can definitely assist with that.

I also need to start to look into the NJ channel if I have any hopes of linking Manhattan > Westchester to up the Hudson. I think a well positioned node somewhere in the Palisades will link up a few nodes up the river all the way up to West Point. When I'm at the Dobbs ferry Train Station, I can easily hit West Point consistently.

[jaunty harness]

so.. Armstrong Tower? 😄

[proven grove]

In my dreams... I'd take anything at ground level over there but close to the actual river. Their "ground level" is still at the top of the palisades, which is a lot higher than the sea level that most of Westchester sits at over there.

[jaunty harness]

mmmm very true, maybe a school with a STEM club close to the edge?

[mortal wind]

this is an interesting comment regarding MF Deployment in Czech: https://github.com/meshtastic/Discussions/discussions/298#discussioncomment-13300408

[jaunty harness]

Node density of at least 1 node per 10 km² 🤔

Average distance between nodes of 2–3 km is also not applicable, we have parts that are way more dense

[daring moth]

Or in other words, at least one node in an area just under double the size of Midtown Manhattan. Sounds about right.
/s

[mortal wind]

Maybe my perception of this protocol is off, but I argue the latent on/off experiences with mesh networking seems like a feature and not a bug. Nodes turn online as actual people are using them, and go offline once they are not available.

High availability to talk, but not constantly connected like other wireless services.

[jaunty harness]

but a node, as long as it's powered on, is always listening and will always rebroadcast unless configured not to

either way, the Brmo experience is interesting but it's very much like saying "hey LF works fine in Utica" and then interpreting that "so it should be fine everywhere else"

[exotic merlin]

Just placed a new node named 🦘 Kangaroo in Clinton Hill on the 12th floor with excellent sight lines to the east river and much of Brooklyn facing north and east.

[jaunty harness]

nice! i noticed it earlier cause heard it direct but seems to have dropped off my map for now

[karmic junco]

I had some waxkjob issues - I think it was android software related- and perhaps I was on a earlier beta branch chain. It kept wiping out my keys

[exotic merlin]

I had it running from my apartment for a few days. That must be a much better location for you.

[karmic junco]

I give you a megaphone to scream into, doesn't mean anyone is there is listening.

And I scream a lot.

Nobody listens. 😦

[jaunty harness]

well wherever you are currently in the apt don't move cause i'm seeing 🪰 and 🐇 direct 😄

[exotic merlin]

At least 🐇 is staying put. 🪰 is heading out with me.

[karmic junco]

So I guess I paid 41 with tax and shipping and a snap hook

[jaunty harness]

snaphook is by most accounts i've seen well worth the $2, myne has been stuck in limbo with some ufl-less Wio1262s that still haven't shipped

[mortal wind]

Nothing wrong in yelling to the void

does nRF52 have a default bluetooth PIN? I can’t connect to it on my phone.

[jaunty harness]

unless you configured one all devices default to 123456 - you can also see it in the serial console (or use the console available on flasher.meshtastic.org if you don't wanna mess w/cli one) or on the display (if equipped)

[mortal wind]

Thanks, I was able to connect to it

[karmic junco]

The snap hooks should be included.

They are actually quite nice. Though as a snap I actually don't trust it. I add a small rubberband for extra security

[midnight mural]

I feel your pain, I travel the world to talk to people on the mesh 🤣😂

A little OT, but adjacent:

RTL SDR blog v3 & v4 dongles are coming in with a USB-C connector! Wooooo!

https://www.rtl-sdr.com/rtl-sdr-blog-v3-v4-usb-c-model-released-for-sale/

[boreal pelican]

i just set up my node, input all of the MQTT settings on the nyme.sh page. found a bunch of other nodes. i guess it's working?

[rare sparrow]

Welcome!

[boreal pelican]

I'm NAF0 not sure if anyone can see me.

[karmic junco]

I think we are the only sub channel that seems to not care what the topic is as long as it's vaguely related to something.

And personally. I like it

[mortal wind]

Installed the node in queens, no acks yet.

[karmic junco]

Where in queens

[mortal wind]

In Hollis

[karmic junco]

Hollis hills? Eh.. you'll get a random one if your outside possibly.

Also you might have to set your channel.hops to like 6

[mortal wind]

it’s okay, i’m currently using stock wismesh antenna for that node, and the placement isn’t ideal for now.

[midnight mural]

I really lean into my adhd 🙃

[mortal wind]

my next plan is to get a fiberglass antenna

mitigating LOS issues

it’s on the side of the building instead of on the roof.

[karmic junco]

I did that. Results may vAry. That whole cable length thing sucks

[karmic junco]

That's me looking at the openmv item on seeed

[vocal cradle]

Hello! I run Harlem Relay - and sincerely apologize for any issues caused with my old firmware + bad config! I was working on setting up this node a while back when I first learned of the meshtastic project and unfortunately ran out of time and left it plugged in with old settings from way long ago. I finally found the discord 😅

I'm going to get my node updated to the latest firmware and review best practices. For some technical details the node is located in a window facing south, 26th floor of 125th street. It's a normal Heltec v3 with stock antenna. Based on what I've read here, it looks like I should be setting my node to be a CLIENT and max hops to '3'?

And sorry again for abandoning my node for so long, I didn't realize it was still plugged in / active on my end. Happy to contribute to the project in any way

[jaunty harness]

WHOA YOU'RE REAL

[vocal cradle]

😂 Yes lol!

[jaunty harness]

Welcome!! You've got the right idea, updating firmware and switching to CLIENT will be great - newer firmware uses less airtime and CLIENT will allow it to play nice with all the new clients that have shown up since you put it up

[misty gorge]

This is so exciting! Welcome and nice to meet you!

[midnight mural]

Woooooooo HARLEM RELAY IN THE HOUUUUUUUUUUUUSE

[jaunty harness]

also would be good to look into "remote admin" which is simply adding the publicKey of a node to remote one so you can control it over the mesh if you need to make cfg changes

[midnight mural]

I seriously wonder if that will help midtown and uptown

[vocal cradle]

Sweet, thanks! Setting now

[vocal cradle]

Likewise, and thanks for the attempts to reach out via Meshtastic messages! I do apologize again for the long delay in joining 🙂

[amber edge]

@vocal cradle welcome!

[midnight mural]

Justin is today’s hero 😂😂

[mortal wind]

ayee let’s have some fun

[vocal cradle]

Okay! Back online, followed all the instructions on https://nyme.sh/ - hopefully this helps! Sorry again about that 😬

[jaunty harness]

AMAZING, thank you!!

See it's now HR - if you notice it's hitting high channel/airtime utilization >=23% you can try changing the rebroadcast mode to CORE_PORTS_ONLY - that's kinda the only real thing you lost by switching off ROUTER_CLIENT which on the older firmware had a 35% utilization ceiling whereas CLIENTs use 25% to play nice with the shared spectrum

[vocal cradle]

Awesome, thanks! Already set that so hopefully we should be good!

Side note, any good antenna recommendations? I can't believe my node was even doing anything with the tiny default antenna lol

[jaunty harness]

No prob! Gizont is pretty reliable brand usually for AliExpress orders but can get domestically from Muzi (and I think they also have Amazon store now?). Taoglas are pretty decent too and can find them on Digikey. The Alfa 915MHz is pretty popular as well and while not quite the 5dBi they claim still a solid choice for a beefier N-Type outdoor antenna - there's also #antennas channel if you really wanna go down the rabbit hole

Rokland also has a bunch of good / legit stuff and ship pretty quick out of FL

[vocal cradle]

Awesome, thanks so much!

[jaunty harness]

Again, no prob - and again, thank you for making your way to Discord and updating Harlem Relay helping out the entire mesh!!

[karmic junco]

I had guessed Columbia

[karmic junco]

That Harlem relay was a good relay for sure!!

And I'm glad he found us lol

[jaunty harness]

It's still a good relay! just now as a CLIENT so should not longer be problematic for S Harlem CLIENTs

[amber edge]

What was it previously set as?

[jaunty harness]

now ... if only we could get oopoo (very cute geolocating themselves in Red Hook, NY instead of updating their firmware or switching to CLIENT) Brooklyn Solar Node and Gobo Solar Node (which was done for a bit but showing back up last few days) to also switch over

it was ROUTER_CLIENT prior

[amber edge]

Do we know who those maintainers are?

[jaunty harness]

I think Gardener might know the people running Gobo, maybe - or maybe I'm confusing them with Woodbine

other two are same kinda no-contact unknowns, BSN I think is kinda metrotech/clintonhill and I guess oopoo is alluding to being in red hook area with adding their position to the town of red hook up by albany

the location is a last few weeks thing and haven't seen their non-infra similarly named CLIENT in months

oooo Kangaroo back up and still direct

HAH after a week or so of trying finally a TR to MoAl

(williamsburg -> wtc -> grand st -> clinton hill)

[karmic junco]

I dunno if that node is actually up there

Because when I was up there I saw some other node that should have saw it. Maybe my mistake

[jaunty harness]

oh it's definietly not up there, i wouldn't be seeing in the city at 1-3 hops - just wasn't broadcasting any position until ~6weeks ago so someone went in and set coords

[midnight mural]

Not to pick on Harlem relay, but how long should that change take the area to fix itself? Based on how long node broadcast interval is set to for the surrounding nodes or like instant?

Just curious

[jaunty harness]

soon as it came back up as CLIENT instead of ROUTER_CLIENT it stopped pre-empting CLIENTs

the higher broadcast intervals in newer firmwares will help reduce airtime/channel utilization for the entire mesh but it was ROUTER_CLIENT that was hurting other CLIENTs

also now seeing LilyBX at 1 hop, will be interesting to see if that persists

[misty gorge]

Damn it.. now that HR is gonna be (or is upto date) with firmware.. I need to get mine updated too.

[jaunty harness]

not sure if you got my ACK but I got your ping

[misty gorge]

I have all the parts to put up a new node now.. Just haven't been motivated. 😦

[karmic junco]

Talk to my box of lto parts and raks

[jaunty harness]

just think: it'll be nicer to do the work now when it's 70s/80s vs 80s/90s that's coming soon

[karmic junco]

I literally have some of keithmons early production units

[misty gorge]

$$$$

[karmic junco]

Still in the box. He could have sent me toilet paper wouldn't nnow

[karmic junco]

Dreams cost money. Lol

[misty gorge]

It's true... I'm really curious what AMR2 looks when I take it down. The case is cut with the solar panel mounted on the lid. AMR1 has a separate solar panel and uncut case.

[karmic junco]

I really need to make a solar light node. It will look like every other worn out solar light.

[misty gorge]

I wonder how wel the glue on AMR2 has held up to the elements so far.

[karmic junco]

Like I don't even need the led panel to work

[jaunty harness]

well enough that's its still running

[misty gorge]

You'd leave it in the ground? Or mount it high somewhere?

[karmic junco]

I will say I thought about replacing someone else's broken led light panel with meshtastic parts ...

Chance it will be tossed. Or if I make a working one, chance it will be kept for a long time.

[misty gorge]

Probably still sealed.. I do get temp and humdity from it.

[karmic junco]

Oh I'd leave it like up on a doorway somewhere.

[misty gorge]

55% humdity right now.

[karmic junco]

I think I found some... Ideal areas where I can put them that nobody would actually care.

[misty gorge]

we need more nodes high up with good coverage.

[karmic junco]

I'm so low so I need to get at least 100asl

Unless water bouncing is an option

[misty gorge]

battery powered node sent up via teathered balloon.

[karmic junco]

Can't get pure helium. I tried. For years

[amber edge]

btw tonight i renamed Morus Alba (MoAl) to Vanderbilt Willoughby (VtWy) tonight in case you don't see it anymore

who's gonna bridge the south williamsburg dead zone

i love seeing everyone elses trace routes. it's fun to see build a mental model highway of important nodes

[boreal pelican]

i just drove my node into downtown Manhattan. like we needed another

[misty gorge]

did you get nodes?

[jaunty harness]

More clients is better (up to like ~300 IIRC then the mesh starts imploding on LF)

[boreal pelican]

i didn't check, it's still in the car though

[jaunty harness]

You can try double tapping the user button to send out an ad-hoc ping if you’re moving around to try and make contact from a new position (instead of relying on the default packet intervals)

[mortal wind]

I'm not out there now, but I'm usually out there during the week

[karmic junco]

I thought we had Brookfield

[jaunty harness]

i know those nodes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfi_Xm-piG8&t=479s

(timestamp specifically to the nyc part)

[midnight mural]

I’m in orlando now, you shut your mouth, respectfully of course 🙂

[jaunty harness]

was talking degrees fahrenheit, not % relative humidity

[midnight mural]

Ahhhh, it’s…..wet outside🙃

I’m in a 20th floor overlooking a park, I think it’s sea world: 3 nodes that aren’t mine. Sigh

[midnight mural]

YouTube sees my adgaurd ad blocker, womp womp. Had a nice bed time video, but noooo, can’t see MyrtleRelay be famous

[karmic junco]

I have to VPN out of my own network to bypass my own as blocker on the router

[wet shard]

yt-dlp is our friend

[blissful moon]

Liebiko0� this node has a not valid character and is breaking the cli command line

[frail grotto]

Aww my old p1ny

[jaunty harness]

oh huh, in what way is it breaking? i've seen meshtastic cli gripe about certain emoji shortnames but still worked

[ashen venture]

I wonder if a solar radio on Bear Mountain + one more hill closer to the city would be enough to bridge the link. If NYC moves to a new channel it might be worth making a Long Fast bot that can shuttle high priority message between meshes. Maybe like prepend with a double !! to forward from one to the other.

[ashen venture]

the hudson valley mesh has some unique requirements because of the hills. 4 or 5 hop default seems to be better here. It seems to work well to set up radios on adjacent hilltops on either side of the river to maximize LOS to one of the repeaters.

active nodes in the area span 26 miles currently, but we also can reach down to Dobbs Ferry/Hastings-on-Hudson area periodically (like when @a.li3n was down there last week)

[mortal wind]

Atp store and forward modules could benefit from the expansion. Moving nodes can transport messages from hudson valley mesh back to downstate.

https://tenor.com/view/kronk-its-all-coming-together-gif-15058130

[ashen venture]

Can S&F propagate across S&F nodes? as I understood it, S&F is kind of like idling in IRC with a shell server. It stores the messages you missed when you were away. I didn't understand it to forward packets to other S&F servers

I wonder if a pi0 with a 915mhz hat could implement that in software. It would be cool if some types of nodes could act like traditional IP routers. keep local tables of all the MACs it can trace to and then share that information with other routers in range via DM or something.

[normal osprey]

MSP Mesh (Minneapolis St. Paul) are moving to Medium Fast default slot.

https://mspmesh.org/settings/

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/s/g6T2S1uDKs

[wet shard]

thats great news, maybe we can learn from them what parts of the process and changeover worked, and what didn't

[midnight mural]

We will see eventually, I spend lots of time there, and seem to be traveling with nodes everywhere 😇

[novel radish]

Hi there! Joining after seeing a node name with a nyme.sh domain name.
I just moved my router node from Central NJ to the 58th floor of 4WTC. It's currently acting as a client but I can certainly switch it to router if that would be beneficial.

[midnight mural]

Client is gonna be just fine 😎

And welcome! Thanks for the high node 😎

[midnight mural]

What side of the building is it on?

[normal osprey]

Was just wondering the same because I should be able to see it from Williamsburg

[jaunty harness]

Welcome! There's a node on ~85th flr of 1WTC IIRC and running CLIENT (DK Tower) so def good to also run CLIENT

[novel radish]

@midnight mural I'm on the North West side of the building but I could arrange to have my node ~anywhere on this floor.

[daring moth]

What would be the most ideal is multiple nodes around the perimeter, bridged over UDP (WiFi). People here often donate nodes to others that have a good location.

[novel radish]

This is really interesting... I already have a second device that I could use. I need to see if IT is open to these devices landing on the guest network and if they are using client isolation

[daring moth]

It doesn't need access to the wider internet, just LAN connectivity between the nodes.

[maiden thistle]

Does it count as a hop going over UDP?

[daring moth]

IIRC, at one point the Meshtastic developers were discussing fixing that issue, by having some internal metadata on where the packet was routed from. I'm not sure if it's been dealt with yet.

[amber edge]

i'm surprised i can't hit the wtc dk tower node. i have a direct line of sight of it from fort greene

[ashen venture]

Has anyone used this feature here? Does this work agnostic of the radio parameters? (ie, bridging traffic between two different channels)

[daring moth]

IIRC, except for the fact the default primary channels have different names, and thus don't get merged by default, bridging between different frequency slots does work.

[jaunty harness]

the "magic" to bridging presets is having a LF device with a channel named MediumFast/AQ== PSK, and then on the MF device you have LongFast/AQ== PSK and that way the channel hash matches and the node (correctly) interprets it can decode

theres some more info in the firmware > #1374849766248157246 thread if you wanna look into it more (and pip install mudp if you wanna see the traffic on your own network)

[ashen venture]

great info, thanks!

[amber edge]

Greene Hill Food Cooperative (GHFC) node is up. Curious to see some trace routes screenshots to it

[jaunty harness]

nice! saw it 1hop 24mins ago, trying TR but expect it'll take another week or so the way TRs go `round these parts

[boreal pelican]

my node (NAF0) is set up in Staten Island with a fairly big whip antenna, top floor of a house's window, is there any way someone here can see it or message it?

[jaunty harness]

last seen 20hrs ago @ 2hops from pork - femtofox *in Williamsburg (takes me a while to look through the longass list of offline nodes)

[amber edge]

Black node is meshtastic white in NYC mesh

[mortal wind]

I joined on 1 hop towards that node from midtown

im b344

[brazen spear]

Hey @amber edge do you volunteer with nycmesh at all? We're looking for folks that want to help with meshtastic installs at nycmesh hubs.

[abstract iron]

I got to it via Window out of my usual Williamsburg nodes. and back via Grand St

[abstract iron]

Green Hill FC do you want to be on client instead of client_mute?

[amber edge]

Yep I changed it around the same time you sent the message. Not sure how long it takes for that to propogate on your side

[amber edge]

I am a member of GHFC. Not affiliated with NYC mesh. Though one of the installers said there's someone in the NYC mesh community who has been installing meshtastic nodes too

Or maybe you are that person? If so then I could maybe help with meshtastic installs for them, yeah

[abstract iron]

nice no idea either.

[jaunty harness]

i see it as CLIENT now, should be anytime other nodes hears a NODEINFO packet which has the role

[abstract iron]

I got a TR to it. literally all the WB ghostly nodes are up right now. Squonk Metaphor Window

[rare sparrow]

I probably set it up wrong, but my Femtofox is performing worse than the WAK 😦

it's getting getting worse SNR/RSSI

same nodes

[jaunty harness]

check max_power is >=22 (firmware should cap it at 22 even though it may display "30" in apps)

[rare sparrow]

yes it's at default (+30 dB)

[jaunty harness]

the E22-900M30S def doesn't have as good RX as RAK, been some discussion lately in one of the DIY/nRF/🦊 threads and basically a filter should help

usps decided to not bother to try and deliver the one i ordered few weeks ago and then pulled the "williamsburg po special" where they toss it into some blackhole until you file a complaint and someone goes and actually looks for it, eventually

[rare sparrow]

cavity filter?

[jaunty harness]

just a band pass

[abstract iron]

what filter

[jaunty harness]

GPIO Labs's

[rare sparrow]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804282435960.html

so something like this

https://gpio.com/products/915-mhz-low-pass-filter-for-high-power-3-watt-applications

[jaunty harness]

mmmm close - not saw or low pass https://gpio.com/collections/filters/products/915-mhz-ism-band-pass-bandpass-filter-with-26-mhz-bandwidth

i've had it bookmarked for i don't even know how long, finally decided to order one up and see what it's like

I have a nooelec one around somewhere too that lets you choose from a couple diff presets, but it's powered and when I put it on the VNA it was doing what it was supposed to... but there was basically 3 dips from 900-915MHz and one of the peaks was dead on 907MHz and SWR was like 2.3ish (vs no filter, it's like 1.3)

so that one saving for MF 😄

[rare sparrow]

But +24dBm Max Power 🤔

Is E22-900M30S +30 dBm?

[jaunty harness]

yeah, 900M ~ 900MHz / 30S ~ 30dbm (vs E22-900M33S which is 33dBm)

[abstract iron]

wow lot of interesting products on their site

[jaunty harness]

yeah, and they're based outta NY near Buffalo - super nice too, let me know they were closed for a week so there'd be a delay on my order and I could cancel but that just made me even happier to wait (not expecting USPS to fuck me though)

[amber edge]

Is this three or four hops?

[jaunty harness]

3 https://meshtastic.org/assets/images/max-hops-82206d6bd0567eca9793642ae151fe2e.webp

[midnight mural]

FROM MIDTOWN, for real!?!??

[mortal wind]

Yeah, I'll double check my findings once I get back to that spot

[abstract iron]

hah thanks for this image. I had thought hops were like TTL and got a really strange looking, long traceroute to the new grocery node. 🤔

[boreal pelican]

this is what my node looks like, it just sits on a 2nd floor windowsill right now. eventually i want a roof one but that'll be a while. not bad

[abstract iron]

I ordered the filter too. would like to try on my WinMesh pocket with Muzi

[jaunty harness]

RAK should be good without the filter unless you're really close to something like a cell tower, the Donk should benefit even more though (as E22-900M30S)

[haughty drum]

Hey Ben, I have the ForestEdge network which isnt far from the hudson valley.
We had a repeater in jefferson that did bridge the gap to the city, and once we did that, our network fell apart. We did get random messages every now and then about meeting up at the basket ball court, etc, But it seemed to destroy our network almost entirely making it unuseable.

[mortal wind]

back in midtown, can reach Titi node directly.

ah, 5 hops today to NorthEastRouter (NER0).

[ashen venture]

Hmm, good to know, thanks! We already get dozens and dozens of extra nodes, and a lot of one-way traffic. The noise floor is much lower for us than the city.

When you say it destroyed the network, do you mean you had too much traffic that it effectively filled your bandwidth?

If meshtastic breaks when it gets too big, then we probably need to find strategies to make it more resilient. I think it's desirable to be able to transmit priority messages long distances without needing to transmit everything

[amber edge]

Are there any actual success stories with ROUTER and REPEATER? All I've heard is how much pain it's caused

[haughty drum]

No, i really didnt get too many messages, I did get a lot of nodes popping up, which is essentially the same thing. But once that happened, our messages became much more unreliable even locally.

[jaunty harness]

it's also a two-way street - getting 7hops nodes down here at 5 hops means they're still propagating among all the nodes here

[jaunty harness]

Vancouver, SoCal Bay Area all have good organization and correct usage of infra roles to bridge/maintain their mesh

[mortal wind]

able to Traceroute to bok2, they are the clostest to me

so short distance is covered.

[midnight mural]

I’d also add Toronto to that list, Canada on point as usual

[jaunty harness]

Oh yeah, I mean Austin too as well as others like NZ - our case is really get rid of the ones that think they need to run an infra role to determine the node(s) that should actually be running it because they can better bridge outlying areas with their superior positioning (which is basically height + LOS)

[midnight mural]

Basically we should be the champs of skyscraper deployments…..4 nodes, one facing each direction, LAN backhaul, metrics & dashboard. It’s like a super node, a mega-node even….except it’s not.

Who at WTC1 wants a project 😇

[ashen venture]

Some messages are randomly spotty here, I wonder if that's a symptom of picking up city traffic. I really like being on the main channel though because of the benefit for random hikers and people being able to use it on defaults. Lots of dead cell zones around here

[haughty drum]

Yeah, i understand. I was in Rockland and North Rockland for years, and i want to connect my mesh to that area, but i'm having enough trouble with coverage here in Sussex county. We have service throughout sussex, and more, but more dead spots than not, its mountains and forests.

[jaunty harness]

You can run Meshsense (please please please disable the auto TraceRoutes which are enabled by default or at least set to sane value like once/day) and get a better view into whose packets you're actually seeing

[mortal wind]

i’m connected to 10 8 nodes direct rn from midtown

getting good signal to node 4b7b rn

[proven grove]

Who wants to throw a Fox (with an M22) on top of their car, running solar with 4x LiFePo4 21700's? Probably just me, but that's ok.

[midnight mural]

@karmic junco you getting out yet?

[midnight mural]

I’m getting there….trying to settle on an enclosure to print

[proven grove]

Got openSCAD? I have a pretty good parametric model I'm using

[midnight mural]

Nope, but I do have a bff that will print whatever for me 😇

[jaunty harness]

huh i don't think i've seen vb7b, must be midtown vortex

[ashen venture]

makes mental note to disable that feature on my meshsense node tonight 😬

[abstract iron]

wait vb7b or 4b7b

is v Vernon. I get 4b7b

[mortal wind]

Yess I merit to say 4b7b

im b344

[abstract iron]

I can see Vernon but not yoi

[jaunty harness]

AHHH ok Vernon2 makes way more sense

i don't have to dig through the list of 400something inactive nodes but I remember Loelinuniiverse I think it was named was in there

[mortal wind]

having a persistent filter helps keep things in context

I filtered my list to only include direct connections rn

[jaunty harness]

!userid ends in b344 so seems like thats the one, just haven't heard it for ~2 weeks so no updated nodeinfo

[abstract iron]

anyone actually purchase a 868 MHz SMA antenna for Europe travels?

guess I could VNA my 915s for 868

[midnight mural]

I took my t1000-e to spain, worked pretty well

[karmic junco]

No. I still need to gain about 100 feet before more nodes come into contact.

[frail grotto]

https://www.hackster.io/news/rakwireless-launches-the-6-50-lora-wi-fi-and-bluetooth-packing-rak11160-iot-module-303921dd6c06.amp

[midnight mural]

Pizza Delivery Dude will return from Florida hell soon, I’m excited to try and get nothing 🙃

[proven grove]

I vaguely remember STM32 not being supported by Meshtastic.

[karmic junco]

I dunno if this is offensive or if I missed something.

Only two nodes I can see. (I'm f495)

[abstract iron]

weird

[jaunty harness]

"You ever pick your toes in Poughkeepsie?"

and I think the STM32 has been getting some love lately, ndoo seems to be cooking up something with one

[mortal wind]

Yeah, is mesh etiquette for channels a thing?

outside of acks?

[jaunty harness]

there's no specific rules i'm aware of but i'd like to think the universal "don't be a jerk" applies

[jaunty harness]

bit smaller than i was expecting (that's good!) will be tossing it on VNA and if that looks good Femtofox later

[abstract iron]

nice. to test a filter can you run some kind of loop test etc?

I ordered one also

that filter

[jaunty harness]

idk if i'm doing it right but I do vna -> antenna for SWR, then swap vna -> in, out -> antenna and recheck SWR

see how it's actually changing for the antenna

[mortal wind]

Activity! on channel 0!

[abstract iron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1l8w5gu/home_brew_drone_node/

I was just going to test out mesh around Hunters Point Qns but the fix a flat guys were too fast. 😂

[mortal wind]

Is there a way for a Meshtastic node to backup messages to flash storage through USB, or is it limited to PSRAM?

[jaunty harness]

S&F using PSRAM for ESP32, meshtasticd has a configuration option for MaxMessageQueue which is # of messages it'll store (100 by default) vs nRF52840/ESP32 w/o S&F limited to 30

bandpass filter installed, let's see how it goes

[bronze wren]

I was able to TR you which hasn't worked at all in recent tries from this part of queens.

3 hops so it's not all that interesting but that it found a round-trip at all is an improvement.

rose -> nightowl (5.75) -> grand (-16.75) -> window (5.0) -> pork (-15.0) | pork -> kangaroo (2.0) -> vernon (-17.75) -> nightowl (-15.5) -> rose (6.5)

Some very weak jumps but it's nice to get vernon and grand in the loop and from there lots of nodes.

[jaunty harness]

oh nice!! I only see the first part of that TR on this side but also had a TR come in from UGKH work and yeah, that's already way better than the usual 5-10% success rate. also picked up RAY at -0.25 / -92 which is like... I don't think we've ever been direct in 6months of looking closerly at the mesh

only been an hour but it's def seems to be working better than usual (I have a Cell Tower like 1/4 block away and lots of 433MHz stuff I've picked up on flipper zero/rtl_433 which is why I went bandpass instead of low/high/notch/etc...)

[bronze wren]

I could probably use a highpass from what I can see in the airwaves here but it's not been terribly noisy. A bandpass would probably be worthwhile anyway.