us - NYC metro

[jaunty harness]

yeah it's got a whole http client and ssl engine and shit, it's fancy af

[abstract iron]

yeah was gonna say wow ssl.and https too ha

the future is now!!!

[jaunty harness]

except the future doesn't wanna talk to my SIM card 8/

hrmm, maybe I can program it with an eSIM

[abstract iron]

think that requires secure storage or something

interesting

I hate to say it but have you tried an AI prompt.... I just asked Gemini to write me a command and response validation doc

to get online on the SIM using any USA LTE band it wants to plug in to the example

// 3. **Check SIM Card Status**
//    Command: AT+CPIN?
//    Expected Response: +CPIN: READY, OK
//    Description: Verifies the SIM card is inserted and ready. If it's `SIM PIN`, you'll need to unlock it with `AT+CPIN="<your_pin>"`
AT+CPIN?
+CPIN: READY
OK

// 4. **Set Preferred Network Technology to LTE Only (CAT-M/NB-IoT)**
//    Command: AT+CNMP=38
//    Expected Response: OK
//    Description: `38` sets the preferred mode to "LTE only" (NB-IoT/CAT-M). For SIM7022, this is the primary mode.
AT+CNMP=38
OK

etc

[twin root]

^ just went through the hell that is above

Getting a modem set up on the node that will go back on the WTC

im on my 3rd modem trying to get the right hardware combo to activate on the correct band

[abstract iron]

damn

[proven grove]

my over worked/over tired brain just looked at the issue and thought (in caveman voice):
"Lots of words. No pictures. Fuck this."

[jaunty harness]

Wire up CS on the Luckfox pin16 which isn’t connected, and IRQ/BUSY to pins 19/20, disable UART3, use my cfg

Where we’re currently at, I can shorten the ethernet but now need to relocate the sim holder to access the pads for bodging that

[proven grove]

I'll circle back to this later this week with a fresh head. Trying to play where's waldo for the cut trace is making me go crosseyed (nothing on you, i'm just beyond tired)

[jaunty harness]

hah yeah i'll make some drawio slop for ya

[proven grove]

no no, it's not your job to EIL5 it to me.
on the other hand, that might help fire out haha

[jaunty harness]

yeah I mean i literally have printouts with scribbles and pages of notes which make 100% sense to me, but to someone else... like madness - and literally it's 3 wires 8p

[jaunty harness]

there ya go, seems to be ok without traces cut - i haven't actually tried just relocating pin34 cause you'd need to cut a trace vs this just being 3 jumpers modification so even easier

at this point, i know this works for radio and there's more to still sort out but thats really just me being lazy about trying the 100th+1 configuration that may not work when #100 did

[twin root]

u get these boards printed yourself?

[jaunty harness]

JLCPCB, did all the assembly on 60x80 hotplate in two passes (the 5v / battery circuit then the radios)

then handful on other side which aren't too bad, and the SIM card holder though flux + drag makes that easy

[twin root]

is this a board of your creation with a charging circuit? i have not seen this before

and a MODEM???

What is this

im already aroused

[jaunty harness]

haha not my design, just my muse for past month - it's babelfox

[twin root]

incredible info thanks

is there a reason you went with that ebyte module

[jaunty harness]

not my design 8)

[twin root]

oh wait thats just the new SKU of the one I have JK

yeah thats the good one

it supports dual radios???!?!?!?!?!?

this is insane

[jaunty harness]

ahh yeah the idea is a radio for everything

it's basically the same radio in the beloved but also 2.4GHz ... not that i've figured out how to get fw to try and use 2.4GHz (or tried, yet)

[twin root]

Interesting design choice TBH. was there an option for PCBA on JCL or you had to do it all/most

[jaunty harness]

you could probably PCBA some of it but the SIM 7022 I only found at Digikey so just said fuck it

[twin root]

reason being is I need like 2 more femtofoxes for burning man pretty soon so I can get it together and test before shipping it off

[jaunty harness]

THAT I could def help with, lemme check

[twin root]

I have 2 already and we are planning for a 3 core node setup (would want an extra as this is a semi critical use case and the hardware is gonna get cooked)

[jaunty harness]

yeah, have everything but a 2nd luckfox pico mini to build two

[twin root]

build 2 of the babelfox or of the regular femto?

[jaunty harness]

oh regular Femtofox CE

[twin root]

nice I will take you up on those boards if your offering 🙂 can pay no problem.

[jaunty harness]

babelfox I'm not building for anyone, it's too cursed and frankensteined for more than workbench

[twin root]

the CE uses the same 1w ebyte module correct?

[jaunty harness]

yeah, CE basically missing the usb-serial connection, it's just a JSTPH2 header

there's one or two minor other differences but that's the main one

[twin root]

oh it also only uses the wiio sx module

I see

[jaunty harness]

no, that's just the smol

the femtfofox pcb supports like basically every module cause tom is awesome

I also have parts for a smol, it's very cute and even less power but lacks the 1W

[twin root]

nice this can also still do usb wifi?

or no usb from the luckfox at all

[jaunty harness]

oh that should work, it's just the usb-serial on the side

[twin root]

roger roger. Thats pretty baller. I would def take you up on the boards, you can spare the ebyte modules as I have a few lying around somewhere

[jaunty harness]

yeah, think so - i'll double check tomorrow and get to building. should i amazon a 2nd luckfox pico mini? otherwise i can just do sockets and you can slap one in there you get from wherever

[twin root]

yeah I can get one no worries

I just dont want to tarrifs chance a JLC order 🙂

i got tarrif-cucked on a recent order and it hurt

[jaunty harness]

haha yeah this was a pretariff rushed stockup, and yeah JLC order last night was basically $50 "fee" on $100 order

and cost wise it's whatever my cost is, which is like 90% the ebyte module and the ethernet jacket (minus the luckfox) 😆

[jaunty harness]

oh and I could also do straight 1W raspi hat if you have one of those around, a 3b isn't actually that's much more power than luckfox pico mini and oh boy is it a lot more usable

[open needle]

Not yet as will have my parts to this specific rig nod and finish it in the next couple days

Gotcha, you're right !

[karmic junco]

Map wise, probably. I get a few random nodes here and there, but it's pretty sparse. Long Island is a tough nut to crack due to its lack of elevation.

[karmic junco]

No free wifi there?

[karmic junco]

What software do you use to do that? Two stock images and some visio magic?

Burning man is just an excuse to drink and .. stuff. Without hygene

Well unless your rich. Lol

[karmic junco]

I haven't ordered a single thing since the tarrifs

Just random shit on amazon

[thin rivet]

How do I get on the map

[steel rune]

PM me, took me some time to figure it out

[thin rivet]

How good is the signal on the

[jaunty harness]

RX is amazing, TX... not as much but still great for it's size

[karmic junco]

Good but depends. Good but can't here the old chip

[jaunty harness]

draw.io / diagrams.net which is the closest ive found to the defunct omnigraffle

[thin rivet]

Like how far?

[karmic junco]

Like not even this far

Until maybe 3.0

[thin rivet]

How do I know if it’s an RX?

[karmic junco]

If you can hear it but can't send it a message

[karmic junco]

There is a bug that prevents some hardware from compatibility

Anything utilizing the 1276 chip

[fervent nebula]

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/issues/4775

[karmic junco]

Thus ... If it means anything to you (it did to me)

Currently in the same car in basically the same spot, I'll see 5.2-6 channel until on the techo

[thin rivet]

I meant signal range lol

[karmic junco]

I'll see half that on the t1k

Well to me that's signal range

[thin rivet]

Yeah

[karmic junco]

If the next node is only 500 feet away

[thin rivet]

Ohhhh

[karmic junco]

But you can't hear or communicate

It can't hop

[thin rivet]

Gotcha

[karmic junco]

Doesn't matter how good your tx is

Unless it can directly hit the next unit

[fervent nebula]

I've had contacts using the t1000e a km away, similar to my t-deck (with stock built-in antenna)

[karmic junco]

Prime example

[thin rivet]

I have a t deck with an external antenna

[karmic junco]

I can see Astoria mesh with 1 hop on this

[thin rivet]

What device is this

[karmic junco]

Techo

But don't take it as gospel. I actually don't know who received it

Because the t1k has a ? For the hops

And I'm not versed enough to say the 1 hop from the techo isn't reporting the hop from the t1k

[fervent nebula]

https://lilygo.cc/products/t-echo-lilygo

[thin rivet]

Ohhhh

[karmic junco]

I thought about putting on a bigger antenna but it kills the aesthetics for me. Lol

Anyone see Astoria mesh

Just trying to see if it actually was able to route it

N1ugk?

[jaunty harness]

heh, they're in NJ (and in here!)

[karmic junco]

Ya. I thought his nose was way out there.

I'm in Nassau county at the moment

[twin root]

Not allowed to connect to it

[midnight mural]

🍕I’ve been having fun throwing European pizza parties recently, but am I excited to be blasting the pizza belt at 35000’ in a few hours 🍕

[mortal wind]

I’m online as LoelinverseClientNode

[jaunty harness]

Welcome to the Mesh and Discord!!

[mortal wind]

I’m also trying to get on this mesh with my friends as an another way to communicate without using cellular services 👀

but that is my dreams

[karmic junco]

Out of curiosity... Are these strengths ok?

N01 is just on the 2fl window with a big antenna

Indicator is on the first floor ..

[midnight mural]

It’s a good thing you will only buy one node and be set for life….just like 3D printing, a spool lasts forever.

/s😂

[mortal wind]

this isn’t your average geocaching…this is…

Advanced Geocaching.

[karmic junco]

I need a stealth node to get south

[mortal wind]

[karmic junco]

That or I need to get the antenna outside the house

[glass marsh]

Station G2 is back in stock

[mortal wind]

affected by tarrifs

[steel rune]

How far south

[karmic junco]

Right now the best I can teach is a out northern (25a)

Reach

[abstract iron]

RX is amazing. only nodes that aren't deaf inside my building is the t1e

TX is at least appropriate

[steel rune]

A stealth bucket truck to place a stealth node would be great

[jaunty harness]

i forget whose suggested a couple times stealth solar nodes in old sneakers tossed up in a tree / around some dangling cable, but big fan of that idea 8)

[mortal wind]

I’m getting a complete RAK repeater kit and wondering if I could sign up as a potential infra node

Extend the reach to JFK

[jaunty harness]

CLIENTs will already repeat packets it hears as long as they don't exceed the hop count, infra roles are for mountain tops and would only reduce the full potential of CLIENTs and the mesh

[mortal wind]

that eligibility aligns to the potential location in Queens where the place is elevated on a high point (if the specs are clear for it, The repeater would have the Router
role for connecting the LI and NY meshes if there are any).

[amber edge]

is there any quantifiable way to determine which nodes are the most important for the health of the mesh? something better than walking around the city and trace route something on the other side of town and keep track of which ones get hit the most

[jaunty harness]

i think you may want to reread the entire blog post, particularly the 4th paragraph about why ROUTER is often not the correct choice and the multiple reasons under strategic location why why moving ahead with ROUTER can be harmful instead of helpful as you intend.

[jaunty harness]

height is king as it offers the greatest line-of-sight, running multiple traceroutes from multiple locations should validate those that are well placed as they will more often be in the TR's path. you can also see SNR/noise for directly connected nodes, well placed ones should maintain those #s if they're actually well placed

[mortal wind]

that’s why I’m hesitant even though the position is hilly in context. I’m not going to do it if that is what is concerned here

Its not near the city, and its more near to JFK. It depends on what nodes are out there in Nassau/Valley Stream.

Anyone from LI with nodes, or is that too far of a scope here?

[steel rune]

Me

[daring moth]

Technically Queens and Brooklyn are on the Long Island landmass.

[steel rune]

Don’t tell that to someone that lives in Nassau or Suffolk 😂

[daring moth]

I grew up in Nassau County, NY. 🤷

[steel rune]

Same

[karmic junco]

I can make one! Watch me get arredted

[jaunty harness]

people have gone 100+ miles direct using standard .15W radios and 2-3dBi antennas, just because it seems isolated doesn't mean it is (e.g. we occassionally see nodes in North Jersey and CT that are 75+ miles aware because they're running 7 hops and something in between is well positioned enough to hear their "local" packets and spread them out to any other device within range and under the hoplimit causing further propagation)

ideally you'd have Remote Admin setup on the node, and that way you can control it's settings over RF/the mesh. this would allow you to experiment with different role and settings without having to climb ladders/go out to the site and access the node

[mortal wind]

Exactly, That’s why I inquired here about it first. Special consideration for this one Earth we are on

[jaunty harness]

that is far more consideration than those actually running infra roles have given 🙌

[mortal wind]

Are there any nearby nodes in JFK if anyone is aware of ?

[inner laurel]

Big Spanky is up in Rahway, NJ

[jaunty harness]

@twin root good news: found another luckfox pico mini. bad news: I have the entire BOM EXCEPT for the TVS 😬

can still make a 1W pihat, or have extra 1W Ikoka Nano v3, or could slap a 1W Donktastic together

otherwise... Tom might have some in stock and willing to send from UK special, I think the US store is still backordered for a bit

[open needle]

@steel rune should be in your sight
—

[steel rune]

Don’t see any, I’m Nassau suff border. Pretty far

[open needle]

How to not to look like if you're spying for CCP
My wife- " Are we getting in trouble for this?" 😆
The idea here was to spend zero money and put in use every single bit that comes with the board and use nothing but a pocket knife. Extras were -free battery from a disposable vape and few inches of electrical tape ( mostly for aesthetics).
All keys are usable, adequate ventilation and pretty solid / shock proof - the board fixated on pin arrays poked in packaging cushioning. Around 12 hours of autonomous work.
Kinda cypherpunk vibes, love it 1

[frail grotto]

that first node is like a gateway drug, bought 2 heltec v3. now i have 2 tdecks, and 4 rak devices.

[open needle]

Node addicted ))

[jaunty harness]

usually goes: "i need a second node to confirm the first one is working" (time passes) "I don't have 'too many' nodes, I have a 'hobby'"

[rare sparrow]

Very true

[frail grotto]

now im walking and gaining access to rooftops at work casing for node locations

[mortal wind]

Who knew building a second internet is a hobby?

[mortal wind]

[proven grove]

This is you mocking me... isn't it...
🤣

[karmic junco]

I'm not happy until we get most of queens covered

[karmic junco]

Stealth nodes are tricky.

Especially when you have power requirements

Trees have too much cover. Black solar panels are pretty obvious

The best is to just put it into a solar motion light.

Literally a working solar motion light.

The panels degrade in about a year in full sun though,..

[proven grove]

Show off.... @jaunty harness

[jaunty harness]

it's my own story as well 😄

[abstract iron]

you mean like a ground lamp in a garden etc?

[karmic junco]

Yes except you would want a rooftop garden

[abstract iron]

I've been contemplating trying to Lens the ones in my building and eBay one and add a mesh one heh

[jaunty harness]

I poked the SIM some more last night, CME Error 10 aka SIM not inserted and holy fuck do LLMs hallucinate commands for a SIM7022 that don’t exist

[karmic junco]

Always wonder who does those. Have you ever looked at abbeyway products???

[proven grove]

Which model are you using?

[jaunty harness]

I tried the commands Zilla posted from Gemini as well as my own prompt, same with ChatGPT - skipped Grok because I don’t wanna know about white genocide

I’ve double checked the wiring is correct and while the traces are short there’s still missing bits, found simcom example circuit that also has a tvs as well as an RC circuit on the data lines. I’m gonna give the contacts another clean but the SIM is 100% good as just works in iPhone 11 and pixel 8a

[mortal wind]

Yup, LLMs end goal is to provide the most coherent output the end user believes in. A prettier table from a table of info 😫😫

[jaunty harness]

yeah, there's def useful applications like we were building / deploying models for predictive search 5 years ago and it was awesome for that - just somewhere along the way people decided to forcefeed their models anything they could legally or otherwise get their hands on and instead we wound up with a machine really good at pulling shit out of it's ass and presenting it confidentally

[mortal wind]

The weird moment when Apple was the ethical one out of all the tech companies presenting what neural networks are, and then Bing Chat happened.

and everyone just fell in line.

[karmic junco]

Confident shit pulling is a skill

[mortal wind]

got ack on AQ==, aye!

[midnight mural]

AI can eat shit.

It has taken developers away from actual working software and now we have more software that does not work as advertised or expected than before.

AI solves fake problems for sales and marketing people to sound fancy and cool.

Let me know when crypto and AI is actually doing useful things, until then, leave me alone till the 30’s.

I know it sounds like an old man rant, but the reality is AI not doing anything interesting or at scale, but people sure do treat it like it’s the most amazing thing ever…..

And remember, always self host your LLMs

[whole basalt]

Just set up test node on 440. Picked up a few nodes.

[mortal wind]

Who’s NorthEastRouter?

[whole basalt]

Noticed that my 440Mhz node was picked up on the regular Mesh(900Mhz). Why would that be? I set it for USA mode-should I have set it for European 440? Even so, why would the module transmit at 900Mhz? It is designed for 440 - at least it said so on the package when I received it.

[steel rune]

Any battery recommendations for the new hardware?

[jaunty harness]

don't get a random 18650 off Amazon, go with a reputable vendor that specializes in batteries like imrbatteries.com

[jaunty harness]

should be able to see in the serial logs if it's operating on 433 or 915MHz, 866MHz is a harmonic but don't think that work even w/LoRa's magic, might be someone bridging the two frequencies?

[steel rune]

I figured, just didn’t know where. Didn’t want to end up on one of those instagram videos with it blowing up

[jaunty harness]

haha yeah, exactly why it's worth a couple more bucks for a reliable vendor

[whole basalt]

Where should I look. I looked at the various logs and could not see any frequencies.

[frail grotto]

P1NY is going down due to construction issues

[jaunty harness]

I think it's just during the initial boot when firmware first talks to the radio it should have some INFO text like:

INFO  | ??:??:?? 1 Radio freq=906.875, config.lora.frequency_offset=0.000
INFO  | ??:??:?? 1 Set radio: region=UNSET, name=LongFast, config=0, ch=19, power=23
INFO  | ??:??:?? 1 myRegion->freqStart -> myRegion->freqEnd: 902.000000 -> 928.000000 (26.000000 MHz)
INFO  | ??:??:?? 1 numChannels: 104 x 250.000kHz
INFO  | ??:??:?? 1 channel_num: 20
INFO  | ??:??:?? 1 frequency: 906.875000
INFO  | ??:??:?? 1 Slot time: 28 msec
INFO  | ??:??:?? 1 Set radio: final power level=22
INFO  | ??:??:?? 1 SX126x init result 0
INFO  | ??:??:?? 1 Frequency set to 906.875000
INFO  | ??:??:?? 1 Bandwidth set to 250.000000
INFO  | ??:??:?? 1 Power output set to 22```

[frail grotto]

Elevator retrofit blew out the power to mechanical room.

[jaunty harness]

haha, that's better than the one they retrofitted in my building... which took like 8 years to sort because no one measured before buying the new elevator and then miswired it so every few runs it would die and FDNY basically said "fix your shit, we're tired of the daily visits"

[frail grotto]

Offff that's horrible. I've worked on the telephone lines for elevators and they are horrible. Well P1NY was my only non solar. I guess I'm making another harbor breeze solar to replace it prob up on 25th and first

[midnight mural]

If anyone is into ADS-B (airplane tracking) and you are wondering what software to run, adsb.im is fast and easy on a raspi. I switched both of my raspis im testing with over to that and it seems nicer than the adsb exchange image I was running.

Antenna, LNA and SDR is the hard part.

I’m thinking a node will be able to piggyback off an adsb raspi no problem, just haven’t made it there yet.

Being a radio/computer nerd is so fucking fun

[daring moth]

I believe @cerulean thorn knows the person running that node.

[cerulean thorn]

Not me but I have their info. I run wfl0

[cerulean thorn]

I have a discone thats split like 5 ways and one does ADSB

I used to have a dedicated 10 element colinear. I lost some range with the discone and splits

You could easily use the same rpi

For ADSB and meshtastic

[midnight mural]

Oh I’ve been plotting and scheming with adsb, radosondes, Meshtastic and noaa apt on one raspi on a mountaintop while I’m backpacking.

[cerulean thorn]

I also do NJICS on 2 hackrfs

[midnight mural]

A lot of dongles, and weight, but a lot of fun I think

[cerulean thorn]

The Union county site

[midnight mural]

Oh that’s fun

[cerulean thorn]

I'm down in Princeton today don't see anyone. But will be in town later tonight for a work dinner

[midnight mural]

I need/want ranger radio frequencies for being upstate in the cats and adk

[cerulean thorn]

Sporting the meshpocket

[midnight mural]

That’s at least how I justify all the radio things 😇

[mortal wind]

off-grid public assistance for questions or minor inconveniences sounds plausible

@jaunty harness aye lol I got ping on the arduino 🎉

unless? I got someone else

[jaunty harness]

hrmm portduino? I have two up currently that'd show up as that hardware

[mortal wind]

ah got it

[jaunty harness]

OH! That's not me, that's SDT f481 - myne are all prefixed pork

yeah! that one's me - the femtofox is the window node currently, and pork babelfox is on the workbench looking like frankenstein

that's some decent direct signal too but it is a 1W xmitter

[mortal wind]

Trying to figure out the BBS rn

[jaunty harness]

it's most likely TC2's BBS or SpudGunMan's Meshing Around

[open needle]

https://www.18650batterystore.com/collections/18650-batteries
99% of the time i go with Molicell brand

[karmic junco]

I use recycled batteries...

[karmic junco]

Qthe only reliable comes in like certain area is whatever the local repeater has

[open needle]

same ...or you can get/buy cellphone batteries for cheap with excellent specs and protection etc

like LG ones 4700ah , slim for around $10

[karmic junco]

You can use the ones from tool battery packs

[open needle]

usually they very cheap or in the end of their life cycle...unless you want to gamble with jump starting them

[karmic junco]

Actually in my experience it is one that goes bad

Not the whole pack

You can't really tell they are at the end of the charge and discharge you can tell by capacity.

They just aren't ideal for a t beams or supreme as they have high output but less capacity.

[open needle]

https://a.co/d/6l92Eq7
For example: $6 for open box. $8 something for a new one -10k ah ( most likely not) ....but tear this b@tch out and be happy...may keep original charging board

I have a large recycle closet for batteries and electronics in my building, usually full of scavenger treasures like 18650 pack form tools etc, if someone in need - can dig a ziplock of batteries for you and drop off in spot for you to pick up accessible 24/7. But you'll need to get to prospect park south.
For example -each disposable airbar NEX vape has BMS and 16350 3.7v 650mh battery, which will give you around 8 hours of use on heltec v3 boards. And there is a ton of them.
Me personally I always prefer to reuse something like that vs buy one... its not question of money.

[knotty jacinth]

I actually stock 18650s on RL . I actually paid a pretty penny to have them Safety tested too.

https://rabbit-labs.com/product/18650-lithium-ion-battery-un38-3-tested/

that said, another good spot tho a bit overpriced, is any vape shop, they trnd to stock good cells

[proven grove]

https://batteryhookup.com is extremely reliable and I've also purchased LTO batteries from https://srikobatteries.com/
both are in the US.

For more exotic stuff, like sodium or 21700 LiFePo4's, I ordered from https://hakadibattery.com/

[glass marsh]

Fomtofox is back in stock

[abstract iron]

cool to have so many members of the commercial maker/components/ etc space here

[midnight mural]

I have some older PoE splitters for my raspi3B's......I don't think they provide enough juice for the raspi, SDR and LNA.........I know I should use a real power supply, not a phone charger....so my question is, can I use the official raspi power supply and convert the USB-C connector to micro-USB???? Otherwise, I'd be looking for recommendations for a raspi3B PSU.

[mortal wind]

so like one of these bad boys: https://www.amazon.com/TRIPP-Hi-Speed-Micro-B-Type-C-U040-006-MICRO/dp/B00Z8DD27M

but for power

[glass marsh]

I don't see why not... The power supply should say what the output watts/amp is

[karmic junco]

Woah. I got a message from central park

[daring moth]

Micro Center stocks the original Raspberry Pi micro-USB power supply: https://www.microcenter.com/product/643086/raspberry-pi-125-watt-power-supply

[karmic junco]

I've had issues with some power sources because they actually do some level of switching.

Even though they were rated at or over the requirements

For the 3 I didn't think you needed something that high

My texho is acting real strange after upgrading to 2.6

[jaunty harness]

my 3b with 1W hat eats not much more than femtofox w/o the screen (~.5-8W), the 3/4/5 PSUs all bumped up the max wattage and the current 5 psu is 25W - plenty of juice

[midnight mural]

Oh that is probably what I’ll do….i like “official” things because at least in theory it should all just work. And these are $8, so no bank breaking.

[midnight mural]

I’ll be ready for a 1W hat in July when life slows a little bit 🙂

Was planning on making that my home node with some other goodies.

[daring moth]

Yeah, the item itself isn't much more than the subway fare, round-trip, to Micro Center.

[midnight mural]

And I can get* pizza on the way back home 🙂

[jaunty harness]

you can get pizza at industry city (haven't tried it yet, so can't comment on how tasty it is)

[midnight mural]

Gravesend (I think) is the place I stop at before hopping on the train…I’m always down to try new places for pizza 🍕

[late topaz]

Hey gang. Good morning I’m a teacher at Ralph Mckee CTE high school in Staten Island. We are experimenting with a mesh network. We put a rak 4631 on the roof and have some heltec v3s more mobile

My buddy over at Staten Island Tech is going to join in the fun soon. We wanted to talk about the overall state of the mesh network on Staten Island and how we might be able to bolster it.

My school overlooks the harbor and is the tallest building in the area. We have a 360° view. We were thinking about running a router, but wanted to keep it as a Client until we heard more from the community.

The building is also on top of the tallest hill in the area

[glossy pine]

There’s a couple good nodes in SI, including one guy running a BBS service, and from what you’re describing you should be able to link into the rest of the city’s action, definitely the stuff on the BK waterfront and lower Manhattan

[glass marsh]

Hey, i run the nodes BBS1 and ASS both in SI. ASS has a Yagi pointing towards Downtown Brooklyn / Manhattan. BBS1 is on an 8dbi omni antenna

there is also NER0 he is in a pretty good spot but i dont think he is on Discord

feel free to send msg's to BBS1 it will reply

[toxic warren]

In my extensive testing over 3 months it has only been able to send message direct to another node. As the "meshing" feature does not work in the NYC area. At all. In fact you will not hear from anyone in NYC that they can send a message through the mesh consistently. It has great potential but I wish I knew this before spending hundreds $$ on nodes.

I've since been using APRS (requires amateur radio license) but it works exactly how it's supposed to every time.

[glass marsh]

I dont know... been working pretty well for me

[toxic warren]

That's what people will say but then you ask them to send you a direct message or a channel message and you will not get it and neither will they. What kind of messages do you consistently send through the mesh?

Unless something has changed in the past 2 months.

[glass marsh]

maybe its your location...

[glossy pine]

I get dozens of messages everyday on the public channel, and way more if I go out for walks around the city. I have DMs and private channels with a bunch of people too. Not sure what’s going on with your node Starfleet.

[toxic warren]

It's not just me. About 2 months ago I was very active on this discord. At the time we were sending messages while asking on discord if they received them. And no one was receiving any. Not one. Zero. That was everyone on the discord. And we tried hundreds of messages to channel and direct.

The public channel is too inconsistent to be useful.

[glossy pine]

We were def sending tons of msgs two months ago as well

Including with lots of the folks here

[toxic warren]

Maybe something changed. Maybe all the ROUTERS shut down

[glossy pine]

There were periods I was getting more regular good mornings from ZLLA than my family

[toxic warren]

So I'll fire up my nodes and give it a shot. I get about 120 nodes on my nodedb as I'm up high

[jaunty harness]

gowanus is one of the lowest points of Brooklyn, you are attempting the equivalent of meshing from below street level

[toxic warren]

I'm at 96 feet above the street

And hi Pork, long time no hear

[jaunty harness]

the street which is like 30-60ft below other parts of brooklyn

[glossy pine]

Yeah if you’re in a valley it’s gonna be rough going for sure. Time to get a kite

Or put up a public node somewhere that you can reach from home that itself can reach someone else

[jaunty harness]

you're in the equivalent of a valley, you need height to get above the rf blocking concrete/steel

the ROUTER_CLIENTs are still there, we've just had a few strategically placed CLIENTs as well as everyone's personal CLIENTs which has helped a lot in brooklyn

[toxic warren]

This is a valley?

[jaunty harness]

i walked from Smith & 9th -> 4th couple weeks ago, great rx/tx from up on the platforms but at street it dead

[toxic warren]

I also have a mobile node. I'd love to do testing. Tell me where I should go and I'll test it

[jaunty harness]

1m above sea level vs 60m dozen blocks away

[toxic warren]

Maybe something has changed but as of two months ago not one person in NYC could get a direct message through. So I'd love to see it.

[glossy pine]

My apt is above street level but in a courtyard so the tx isn’t great. I found a place I could put up a solar powered weatherproof node that I could DM from my apt, and which in turn could reach others. Especially with the latest firmware I get great propagation out. Didn’t take much experimentation and voila I’m in the mesh

[toxic warren]

Well I can take my t-echo anywhere and I'd love to see it work for the first time. I'll check for firmware updates and test it later today if anyone wants to try.

I get many messages on the Longfast channel but had not been able to make direct work (through the mesh). Only from my node to my other node. I'd love to see it work

[glossy pine]

Direct requires, at least so far, a closer connection than the channels. When I was unable to direct the friends I started doing this with we just made secondary channels together instead that work ok. I’ve found in general with this tech you gotta keep reiterating your approach until it starts to hit.

[toxic warren]

So you are saying you can't consistently message friends through the mesh? Or you can?

[glossy pine]

I can’t consistently DM the friends who are a few miles away from my apt bc of interference, so we created secondary channels to use instead that work well.

[toxic warren]

I spend pretty much all day everyday working with RF communications. I'd love to see Meshtastic work

[toxic warren]

Do you use a frequency offset for those channels?

[glossy pine]

LongFast is my primary channel, then just using a secondary channel with encryption created in the channels tab in settings

By keeping it on LongFast preset our private channel seems to propagate successfully through my primary mesh

If you leave LongFast there are possible technical benefits but so far not enough active devices to form a meaningful network

[abstract iron]

don't forget there's two choices now!! the 717 or whatever coal oven and also the record store!!

[late topaz]

That’s how I found this discord page, but I’m not getting very good coverage over in Port Richmond, which should theoretically be within range

[late topaz]

I think that NER0 is probably the same guy that runs the KC CG0W ham repeater on todt hill

[late topaz]

Call NAEEM, on our school mesh network one of our private channels is “Starfleet” big trekkies here

[late topaz]

Same, I have noticed that my location really matters. I was driving around Staten Island yesterday sending test messages to the primary Channel and I think only two of them went through and they probably sent about 12 of them. I’m also aware that my set up is probably not as good as it could be.

[late topaz]

I’ve been reading a lot about different scenarios with plant versus router and how too many routers can actually be a problem. That’s why I wanted to talk with this community before we made any decisions about the nodes specifically on the North Shore.

Currently in talks with some people over at Snow Harbor, which is about 2 miles away from the school and then I want to place another one about 2 miles further west from the School. Both clients that are public.

[toxic warren]

@late topaz have you messed with APRS?

After trying Meshtastic for months I got a HT with a built in Bluetooth TNC and use APRSdroid. It's really amazing. Does everything that Meshtastic is supposed to do (less encryption) but works very consistently. There's a digipeaters and iGate on Staten Island

And the APRS bots you can SMS any phone number, send to any email account all over RF.

[misty gorge]

Meshtastic device is so much smaller though.

[toxic warren]

Smaller but it doesn't have a built in TNC nor 2m /70cm

[late topaz]

I have an aprs radio. Never set it up. I will try though. Still curious about the mesh- my students took interest immediately esp at the price point

[jaunty harness]

Yeah, it's a common misconception that an infra role like ROUTER will somehow be better than just using CLIENT, when in actuality it will do exactly what a ROUTER would and retransmit packets but without pre-empting any CLIENTs maximizing the mesh's potential pathings.

[toxic warren]

Meshtastic is still very interesting and worth a go. Very good for learning about RF and digital modes. Your node device will connect to the mesh, you see all the other nodes on a map that your node connects to. And you will receive a ton of messages in the main (Longfast) channel. You can even have all your students go to a different frequency (offset) and the mesh will work just for them. Semi-privately. Sort of.

I wouldn't discount it completely from my whiny comments. It's a great learning tool.

[lament wing]

You can do that with Meshtastic but someone needs to code it in

I think some of the BBS bots have that feature

The thing about APRS is that not many people use it for texting

[glossy pine]

Today isn’t ideal for testing bc of the rain btw

[toxic warren]

I actually heard about that. And someone did the first Meshtastic POTA activation recently 😂

[fervent nebula]

I never got into APRS because most nobody I know is licensed, Meshtastic avoids that hassle.

[toxic warren]

We have an APRS group here in Brooklyn! We're hoping to set up a digipeater/iGate soon

[topaz hull]

hi this is recurse0

[glass marsh]

Got your ping

[topaz hull]

awesome

gonna try to figure out which window to stick this thing on

is there a nodemap with the elevations so i can try to see what the line-of-sights are like?

[glass marsh]

Got one of the femtofox's on the way! Been doing some reading and dont see anything about GPS support? Anyone know if it's supported?

[jaunty harness]

as long as the GPS is talking serial, the OS can talk to it - but I don't think it'll work in meshtasticd like it does in meshtastic. if you're just looking for RTC you can slap a DS3231 RTC on and it'll just work

[glass marsh]

Yeah that's what I figured... I assume the same with i2c gps modules?

[jaunty harness]

if it's supported natively by firmware... it may work with meshtasticd > 2.6...7 I believe it was when they added support for the i2c sensors

[abstract iron]

never got APRS to work here and it's harder to hide a 2 m antenna vs a 33 cm. shrug

(besides network effect of unlicensed spectrum vs licensed etc)

[mortal wind]

I tried to send commands through DM but I get ‘encrypted send failed’ responses.

[mortal wind]

I would love to learn APRS just in case

Would any nodes in queens would help out the mesh?

[jaunty harness]

moreCLIENTs will always help, no matter where

[glossy pine]

Have you recently renamed your device?

[mortal wind]

Possibly? kept the names the same after an accidental reset. Is there a age minimum on mqtt.nyme.sh?

[glossy pine]

This can cause the “encrypted send failed” error in my experience

I don’t know if eventually the recipient device will update to your present node info or if they have to delete your node for it to work again

[jaunty harness]

yeah sounds like one of the nodes has the "old" key from before the reset, it's not looking at what you set as the node's name/short name to identify it but the !userid which should be immutable as derived from the hardware itself. first thing to try is def remove the other node from each device, reboot one, then the other, and should be a NODEINFO exchange refreshing the keys.

basically a reset will cause the private key encryption key to be lost/reset thus the encryption error because it's got some stale info. definitely want to backup that up from each node somehow, can get it via meshtastic cli, or in the iOS/Android app and save it to your a secure note/password manager if you ever need to reset it. the public key can be regenerated from the private one so you just need to care about that one specifically but not harm in archiving both.

[jaunty harness]

@twin root US Femtofox's are back in stock

[twin root]

OH SHIUT

[jaunty harness]

and I'm still missing the TVS 8/

but yeah, OSC deserves the monies, he put in crazy work

[twin root]

ORDERED

THANK YOU ❤️

[jaunty harness]

word, yeah I'm missing one part so basically you couldn't use the battery connector

[twin root]

I appreciate u tho 🙂

[jaunty harness]

right back atcha

[twin root]

whats this dope ass mount? This is awesome

[open needle]

Take a look t Meshcore (Reticulum) ...it addresses many drawback current design of Meshtastic has...many people in UK switching to it due but not limited issues discussed above.
And, btw, though its different protocols, Meshcore enthusiasts /devs are already working and have some good result in integrating Meshtastic compatibility

[glass marsh]

That's something on your end.

[midnight mural]

I'm in a hole and I have gotten a few messages through......

[abstract iron]

so is there a tldr on why that particular femto board is good? is it well packaged or low power components or something?

also if we all point our nodes up and hit tx all at once can we blast these damn clouds

[rare sparrow]

Ordered one!

[midnight mural]

Sigh……the FOMO is real

Rak4631
T1000-E
MeshStick
And now a Femtofox

I know more nodes are in my future 🙂

[rare sparrow]

I’m just one less MeshStick than you 😅

[karmic junco]

Don't worry the sickness is real

[proven grove]

This channel doubles as a support group...

[karmic junco]

Well. I thought this new antenna wasn't working
..but I guess it is

Dunno who madnut1 is

[midnight mural]

Which antenna did you get @karmic junco ?? I need an antenna to go with my new Femtofox 😎

Also am taking others opinions of antennas to pair with the Femtofox for a home node

[karmic junco]

Meshtastic Long Range 915MHz Lora... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DMK4QPPD?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

I have this screwed into my t echo

It also satisfied my needs for the external antenna attachment for my wio...

Oh just FYI... There is enough physical space inside a spectrum modem to fit a wio... Just... Saying..

[steel rune]

What’s the furthest east you guys are seeing on your map?

[glass marsh]

right around JFK for me

[steel rune]

Wonder if I can hit it once I get this roof node up

[mortal wind]

Setting filters on iOS app makes things pretty helpful.

I’m reaching to shortname 8660 in new jersey

[frail grotto]

I'm reaching cypress hills

[rare sparrow]

impressive, my home node is direct to my work node

(Bay Ridge <-> WSQ)

the thing is i'm in a office WITHOUT WINDOWS

[frail grotto]

I mean most buildings are sheetrock now

[mortal wind]

My dream device coming to reality

(I’m definitely redoing the paint job, wanted to see the vision).

Modified T-Deck plus rn.

[rare sparrow]

It’s a 1960s building so idk 😂

[frail grotto]

Building next to wsq are mix of sheetrock and mason stone

[jaunty harness]

big deal with femto is a 1W radio with linux and eats .5W (if you don't add wifi), also cute af

[jaunty harness]

you want a Meshstick? I know a guy 😄

[frail grotto]

I've run enough cable in those buildings so I know how that are

[rare sparrow]

I should stop buying 😭😭😭

ONE LAST NODE 🥺 … just one more

[mortal wind]

my stock gps antenna broke in the tdeck, so I’m looking for a proper replacement.

[jaunty harness]

you don't have a problem, you have a hobby! (just keep repeating it until you actually believe it)

[midnight mural]

Oh, so it’s not a drug problem, it’s a hobby, got it

[jaunty harness]

gps I have in my tdeck has integrated antenna, but was originally gps-less unit and added a drone gps

[frail grotto]

I already have a list... Replace P1NY with a rak solar with one of the many harbor breeze solar panels I bought . Just need to buy 2 more for p3ny and maybe one for industry city

[rare sparrow]

p4ny p5ny and p6ny!

[frail grotto]

P4NY is already up in metrotech

[glass marsh]

so talking about solar nodes... if you want just a regular rak based node not a 1w node, does it make sense financially to build one yourself VS something like this? https://store.rokland.com/products/wismesh-repeater-mini-reliable-coverage-expansion-for-smart-networks

[jaunty harness]

it's totally up to your prefs - if you enjoy tinkering and wanna spec and assemble your own, GO FOR IT! if you wanna just get something that just out of the box will work, GO FOR IT!

[glossy pine]

I will say that this exact device has been the most reliable, best built, and strongest tx/rx of any I’ve gotten

[glass marsh]

I agree, this is what i'm running Titi on and its been flawless

[glossy pine]

Flawless af it’s pretty amazing how much better it is than everything else I’ve tried running

[proven grove]

The Solar panels on the RAK enclosures, while form-fitting, aren't the strongest. Just FYI.
The larger one will work... but i haven't heard how it does over the course of a cloudy week.

[glass marsh]

Titi has yet to drop below 85%

[mortal wind]

I’m getting a private RAK solar node for some of my friends.

[proven grove]

I've just had amazing results with Voltaic Solutions panels. Even some of the Ali ones are pretty good.

[mortal wind]

If only Meshtastic could be integrated with other embedded OSes like Tactility, I would have the perfect open sourced communication personal digital assistant.

[mortal wind]

femtofox accepts BASH commands? oh?

[proven grove]

its a semi-full blown Linux host

running Ubuntu

[jaunty harness]

yeah, it's basically an OG 1st gen Raspi B+ w/way too little RAM

Selfpromotion > Femtofox is the rabbithole of info

[mortal wind]

ah! I have a 3B+, looking to convert itself into a portable ✨ GARDEN (General Access Receiver for Dense Environmental Networks) ✨

[glass marsh]

nice, thanks for that link

[jaunty harness]

for that you're looking at meshtasticd aka linux-native which can work standalone without a radio with another node running 2.6.x on the same network (e.g. esp32 based device) or with a Raspi Hat, or a USB->SPI device like Meshstick

3B is way more ... not useful but useable than the Femtofox, also a lot less powerhungry than 4/5s - when I turn the screen on myne off even w/1W hat it's not much more power use than the Femto

[mortal wind]

So theoretically I could have a solution where I can do limited dead drop BBS geocaching runs.

Thats cool.

https://tenor.com/view/test-step-brothers-so-much-room-activities-gif-13801316

[blissful moon]

should we have a pinned message with the URL of the group? for a guy like me that forgot to bookmark.. LOL

[proven grove]

I just counted.... I've built 9....

10 if you include that F#$&!@#()$*& Babel

[jaunty harness]

haha that reminds me, need to update the short name to 📵 to more properly reflect it's nonfunctional SIM card <-> Modem circuit

[proven grove]

oof and that was the selling point for me... that and the E80 w/ E21.

hell i'd settle on a non-native E80/E21 combo running the standard firmware

[midnight mural]

nyme.sh

[jaunty harness]

yeah that seems to be the only thing working, and even that took some rewiring of the E80 (and I have assumed the E21 is functional since I can rx and tx so it should be twiddling the rxenable/txenable on the E21 appropriately). I have some of mrekin's E80_Promicro v1.2 PCBs on the way from JLC but that's missing the E21 obviously.

[proven grove]

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[proven grove]

He didn't fix the f'ing open ground on the gerber

I have 10 sitting here that will not work. no matter the amount of cutting/patching done.

[jaunty harness]

sheeeeet, that's v1.1 or v1.2?

oh durp , v1.2 on the PCB 😭

[proven grove]

so sorry for not telling everyone about that. i tried to reach out vardas about it but no response.

[jaunty harness]

heh, no worries - how would you have known I was ordering them. and I'd rather have some useless PCBs than useless PCBs with a radio that got killed

[proven grove]

yea... i don't think it killed mine but still no worky

Had to remove/resolder the hat due to having it mounted on stackable headers at first

[jaunty harness]

I only have a smol but saw Tom had posted a pic of the tiny - are the gerbers up?

[proven grove]

Negative he had to rework the voltage divider. I won't be using it with a battery so I didn't care

[jaunty harness]

ahh, well I need to round up some more PCBs for next JLCPCB order anyway so can continue to wait

[karmic junco]

Who is p4ny?

So.... I hit central park

9e92 is gardiner

If your wondering where I was .. I was midspan of the throgsneck bridge at 3am using a techo with the new magnamount antenna

[karmic junco]

Morning

Morning

[thin rivet]

Morning

[karmic junco]

So that was a productive tracert

[abstract iron]

you rolling those mag mounts on your car or something?

[frail grotto]

My node on a roof in metro tech

[mortal wind]

Exited to try to send DMs from the East Village later

(Just one)

[frail grotto]

Solar node not currently there

[karmic junco]

Ya the one I got from Amazon.

But the fact that it got to Grand St in Manhattan in a single hop...

[karmic junco]

That's awesome. Only pd and fd are there I thought...

And some hs around the corner

[abstract iron]

owner of this node here?

sent them the URL

Grand St is nuts. I just got to Grand St from Greenpoint, just the 1 watt in my bicycle side bag

not even vertical orientation of node

[karmic junco]

So It seems... I just need a tad bit more elevation.

I may have to pickup a few more of these antennas

From where I would have been previously dead in the water communications are now possible

[jaunty harness]

Jorel Mast in 2 hops is great - that's in Yonkers!!

[karmic junco]

That isn't better than Grand Street this morning!

Just need to scale the throgsneck bridge

[jaunty harness]

pffft, GrantSt I can see all day long 😄

[karmic junco]

Ya but you ain't where I am

Other than my own antennas... That is the closest I've hit

[jaunty harness]

hehe, yeah when things are juuuuust right I can hit it direct otherwise been hopping through SST a lot lately

[mortal wind]

Picked up Prospect Heights from the city

[karmic junco]

Sent a test from bay terrace parking lot

On 60ab

[abstract iron]

my solar node actually ran out of charge in this awful weather (also it's parallel to the window not facing up)

[mortal wind]

How long does a node get enough charge to reset operation?

[abstract iron]

idk. it might not be representative of the bigger nodes. it's the portable one discussed here. WinMesh solar.. portable...

[abstract iron]

seems to lose config if batt zero

[jaunty harness]

yeah that's a nRF specialty, browns out and node power-cycling tend to mess up settings (and likely LFS corruption, I've done full nuke+erase when it happens instead of blindly hoping it's ok)

[abstract iron]

grumble

[jaunty harness]

it may just be my anecdotal experience, which is way more nRF than esp32, but when i've browned out an esp32 it seems a little less ... aggressive about getting into a rapid brown out cycle

i suppose that could be related to power demand of the two, more power demand = less likely for battery to be floating around the min power the node wants rapidly

[abstract iron]

yea this has happened a few times.. I had a 0-byte config yaml 😦 heh

but bringing it back up

[jaunty harness]

gotta back those configs up!

[abstract iron]

yah just a bare homedir on rpi3

[jaunty harness]

meshtastic --export-config > config.yaml ezpz

or you can use my overly complicated process 😆

[amber edge]

Can folks hit Morus alba (one of my nodes) in Brooklyn? I'm curious what nodes are reachable from it

[edgy blaze]

It’s been a couple days, but I’ve seen it down here in NJ.

[amber edge]

oh nice! and it's at 37%. it was draining battery on the roof so i put it in low power mode and changed the position so it had more sun exposure

@edgy blaze are you able to traceroute it? i'm curious who it goes through

[edgy blaze]

Nah, I don’t see it online now. Last saw it two days ago.

If it should pop up again I can try for a trace route.

[amber edge]

ah gotcha. thanks for letting me know. if others see it and traceroute it and it goes through, do share!

[abstract iron]

ha yeah did that but I think one pull didn't work so it nulled it

[jaunty harness]

LOL

[karmic junco]

Remotely?

[jaunty harness]

The nRF nuke code needs a serial connection to actually run so unfortunately no remote

[karmic junco]

Doh

I did come home to find some 6 hop node

[frail grotto]

nyu, chase bank, and a large assorment of offices with just ransom offices are also there

[jaunty harness]

~30mins ago, 3 hops away, 17% battery, traceroutes failed 🤷

[heavy root]

I'm currently testing Tactility and it’s disappointing to see that so few developers have built apps for i

[mortal wind]

Between this, Tactility, and the AT protocol, there is a possibility to make a self hosted esp32-based social media device that can't be controlled by big tech.

I'm trying to understand the .elf structure to make my own apps.

[karmic junco]

Self hosted social media device = BBS.

When your BBS gets large enough you are now big tech.

Not against a BBS type system, there are benefits. But you'd need to have a semi hard target that you can consistently reach

I.e. have a direct/hop reach to get somewhere.

The only reason you would need something like that is, you don't have consistent access to the mesh . Thus messages destined for you can't actually be received by you. At least... That's how I think of the problem

Now granted, there are some really cool benefits of it; your being evacuated to a different location,; your afraid your family might come here looking for you; thus you can leave a digital message behind saying that your going somewhere else

[glossy pine]

or you want to leave a 💩 emoji for your friend when he checks the BBS

[abstract iron]

would need to get off LF for good interactive use too. or else we need to repeat history and next there's an offline message app that does store/retrieve off the BBS nodes

[karmic junco]

That's a lot of bandwidth use for checks and forwrds

[abstract iron]

I mean I don't think it's sustainable over plain mesh. maybe backhaul over IP links and mqtt

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RONJA

[mortal wind]

The limited run of access to information is one of the major benefits of this approach, as this type of system would be great for conventions and expositions where there are tons of people for a particular thing but not necessarily want to lose the progress of the conversation.

[karmic junco]

If your backhauling over IP I think there is probably some existing ways that are a tad easier.

[karmic junco]

Can you elaborate on that concept

[mortal wind]

An example: A popup node just for Jacob Javits conventions, for instance, where posts, likes, and what not can be shared to BlueSky without needing 5G or WiFi.

or to any other AT protocol ID data repository

and if that repo only corresponds with the node, the only way to access the data is through the node

for like idk animenycs?

but that example is like the perfect case

[glossy pine]

Someone has a great node, P2NY, running at the NE corner (approx) of Washington square park, successfully routing my DMs from here into Brooklyn

[abstract iron]

nice

do we have dkTower owner in here?

[frail grotto]

@xam I also had P1NY but it went down due to construction

[glossy pine]

You’re doing a huge public service out there, thank you so much

[frail grotto]

That's basically why I named them pony Express for that reason

[midnight mural]

https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a00002

I wish there was a node on the Goodyear Blimp. I’m the only one at the Indy500 with nodes, so far

[glossy pine]

I wish I could raise and lower a balloon node from my window every morning

[jaunty harness]

@proven grove reflowed all my SIM card connections, diddled the connector pins with a flat-blade, eraser + IPA on the SIM contacts and... SIM-7022 is talking to it 🤯

[proven grove]

https://tenor.com/view/its-actually-happening-people-jack-mcfarland-estefan-gloria-will-and-grace-happening-at-the-moment-gif-17054111

[jaunty harness]

so much

and now I gotta re-update the shortname emoji from 📵 back to 📱

[proven grove]

Now I need to find that updated pinout you sent and actually get to work on it lol

[jaunty harness]

https://github.com/fire219/babelfox/issues/1

[proven grove]

and buy a SIM, i've been holding off until it was definitely working.

[jaunty harness]

haha yeah I need to get a dedicated one since the one in there is my primary # just still kinda stunned it's working after so many tries of it NOT working

but also working totally fine in iphone 11 and pixel 8a, so pointing towards something I messed up with the SIM card holder

[proven grove]

and just to confirm, the graphic is ONLY the adjusted pins, right? leave everything else as is, including components? I'm skipping the whole charging section as i don't plan on using PoE or a battery with this thing.

[jaunty harness]

yawp, that's purely jumpers between E80 <-> Luckfox Pico, no cut traces

[mortal wind]

[proven grove]

bless you, because I hate cutting traces, however, i might need to pull some pins because they're already connected and last thing I need is a short lol

[jaunty harness]

ethernet I had to flip rx/tx pins and that's working, 5V charging is sitll up in the there but I assembled I would like to get around to having it working to be 100% but yeah it's the least compelling feature and unneeded

[jaunty harness]

dude I am as excited it's working as being able to help someone else get theirs up (not so much having to build a 3rd for my buddy)

and yeah, no cut traces just leaving the old one connected but floating / blind to meshtasticd seems to be working fine

[proven grove]

so I don't even need to pull pins? interesting. ok im good with that lol

[jaunty harness]

yawp! purely jumpers

[proven grove]

wait... wheres the pico? lmao

[jaunty harness]

HAH on the bottom where it's supposed to be

i too thought it was supposed to go over the 5v charging stuff at first but when i starting pinning things out I realized it only matched up to being mounted under the PCB

also to verify the SIM connection: AT+CIMI=? AT+CIMI AT+CICCID=? AT+CICCID

former reads the IMSI, latter the ICCD

Pico

[midnight mural]

Where does all of the fox naming come from?

[jaunty harness]

Luckfox Pico (pictured/babelfox) Luckfox Pico Mini (femtfox/smolfox/tinyfox)

there's a bunch of different versions, and variations of the versions too (e.g. Luckfox Pico Mini A and Mini B) as well as "editions" of the variations that basically add a pcb to make it a bit more raspi like - https://www.luckfox.com/Luckfox-Pico

[midnight mural]

Oh so LuckFox is a brand.

[jaunty harness]

yeah

[graceful trout]

Anyone in NJ? Awfully dead around the Kearny area, hit a few nodes in JC but nothing else

[jaunty harness]

hello, welcome! yeah there's a few a little further west of you but def see a lot more in JC and Hoboken over here in Brooklyn

there's also https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1201616781031260340 for more Jersey specific but we're the whole metro area in here so obviously some overlap

[graceful trout]

Gotcha, I just have a Tdeck for now, but planning on adding a permanent heltec in the area

Was hoping with a skyline view I would hit some NYC nodes, somehow I heard one from brooklyn

[jaunty harness]

nice, TDeck's are fun! height will always be the best way to improve your range so keep that in mind

[graceful trout]

I got a pretty straight view of the city, I wonder how feasible a directional antenna would be to get better coverage

[jaunty harness]

ahh yeah, height for LOs will do that and LoRa is quite resilient at times - for instance I can *occassionally hit a node up 30? stories I believe in hoboken from williamsburg direct, just somehow it makes it across manhattan

if you know where to point the directional it could do wonders... without knowing that probably take a lot more fiddling

if you can get a node up high in close proximity that will still benefit your tdeck since it can then tx/rx through that up high node as (almost) every node rebroadcasts

[graceful trout]

Also another thing I was wondering but trying to stay out of it for the purpose of meshtastic, since I am a ham radio operator, how much more range could you possibly get from a tdeck if you unlock the power limit?

[jaunty harness]

people have done 258km with just .15W RAKs and 2-3dBi antennas

[graceful trout]

Damn, but now I'm no longer anonymous, might as well use APRS lol

[jaunty harness]

if you enable HAM mode you then lose the ability to use encryption as meshtastic falls outside the "control system" provision (I forget the actual name)

[graceful trout]

Will it still be able to repeat encrypted traffic?

[jaunty harness]

that I am unsure on but I believe no. N1UGK I believe has played around with it but eventually settled on unlicensed mode + amp to improve their range (and they're further west than kearney!)

[graceful trout]

Wouldn't the amp kind of break the FCC regulations?

[jaunty harness]

30dbi TE + 6 antenna IIRC

[graceful trout]

Gotcha, might be worth trying to reach out to my school, the ham radio club has a tower with a repeater in Newark, might be cool to add a node up there, just gotta figure out power and updating

[jaunty harness]

awesome! one thing* is if you're putting a node up near over RF like a tower def wanna look into filter. there's toooooons of inspirational examples to be found in the #solar-power channel

updates .. depend on the hardware/setup but are actually possible...ish

[graceful trout]

Yeah I was thinking of having a hardwired Ethernet connection if possible over POE, with back up solar power but I'm def gonna look into the solar power channel to get some inspiration

[midnight mural]

I’m so jealous of all the solar nodes. I want one for my car

[abstract iron]

if anyone wants to try 433 MHz ham mode lmk. I have a node on borrow from pork and I haven't tried it out yet

I mean it's powered up but inside my faraday so without a sked it's got nothing

is anyone doing anything with the NeighborINfo mode?

[jaunty harness]

I think Austin was for a while before changes in 2.5.x they didn't like and stayed on 2.4.x for a while. There's some caveats to it IIRC, basically primary channel shenanigans like range tests (you want primary channel to be private to not spam #LongFast/AQ==, something like that)

yeah "only available when the primary channel is not the public channel with default key and name"

[abstract iron]

yea so you need to establish a channel to broadcast it over?

[jaunty harness]

just a private one but yeah seems more useful if you're sharing it with others w/o mqtt (or UDP)

i guess that's really more for metrics collection than being *practical application, like great your node and my node which each hears directly but... what would they do with that as there's no routing outside of DMs

haha yeah " If you enable this on all nodes, you can build up a graph of the full network to see how it is connected. At the time of writing, there are no clients visualizing it for you, but you can use e.g. MQTT to gather all the data."

[abstract iron]

yea it's clearly DIY feature

[tight vapor]

it’s me!

[abstract iron]

nice I mesh through you all the time in wb

[tight vapor]

awesome! inside a south facing window on the 85th fl of 1wtc. i’m sure the composition of the window’s not helping matters though

[proven grove]

@jaunty harness - followed the guide but it's still not seeing the radio 😢

[jaunty harness]

hrmm, did you set UART3_M1_STATUS=0 in /etc/luckfox.cfg? i'm not 100% its needed because /dev/ttyS3 still shows up but I have no prob hijacking those pins for IRQ and BUSY, and wiring up CS (RESET is fine)

[proven grove]

just set it, rebooting now

[jaunty harness]

k, my complete luckfox.cfg fwiw, UART3 should be only relevant part:

SPI0_M0_MODE=1
UART4_M1_STATUS=1
UART3_M1_STATUS=0
I2C3_M1_STATUS=1
I2C3_M1_SPEED=100000
SPI0_M0_STATUS=1
SPI0_M0_MISO_ENABLE=1
SPI0_M0_SPEED=2000000
FBTFT_ENABLE=0
CSI_ENABLE=0```

and this is still my meshtasticd config, lemme peak if i did anything in the main config but don't think so except enable debug

yeah nothing *but loglevel: debug (forgot to bump the max_nodes!)

[proven grove]

no dice

[jaunty harness]

☹️

you can try commenting out txen/rxen since those aren't needed if you're not talking to the LR1121

other than that, I'm not sure... I just quadruple checked my notes and both builds that are working with that wiring so check those w/a meter, power as well. i did cut the trace for luckfox pin27/#132/4A4 on both, so maybe that is actually needed because otherwise the pin is in a funky default state 🤔

hrmm, looks like it's input for me by default, gpio3/line11

if it's not even seeing the radio i'd check the CS jumper, SPI connection should at least get it a little further to where you get -705 IIRC

yeah was getting -707 until I sorted SPI AND RESET was correctly defined then had -705 until IRQ was working, then... 🪄

[proven grove]

meh, i'll revisit this damned thing tomorrow night... don't have the patience for it right now

[jaunty harness]

k, i'm passing out anyway but should be around most of long weekend

we will make it 3!

[karmic junco]

Seems like a problem that doesn't need anothrr network layer and physical layer to solve. Wifi is ubiquitous, and can drive hundreds of users simultaneously. If your posting likes your trying to share. Did this need a mesh to solve?

[karmic junco]

Midnight oil... Again

[mortal wind]

That the thing, WiFi’s already ubiquitous nature isn’t still as effective as a lot of cons make it out to be. the solution isn’t accessibility, but rather energy and data efficiency, as these devices can run for longer and only send the data needed for interactivity

WiFI (and its currrent iteration on the web) eats tons of data just for advertising and cookie tracking. This setup should bypass that.

[karmic junco]

I guess I'm just not comprehending this as a total solution.

So you'd somehow find a way to equipp everyone with a meshtastic device?

Unless the user is then pecking away on their phone or screen... Your really talking proximity

In which NFC stickers are way more efficient.

We don't use Lora communications for things that are kinda a one time deal (or one day deal)

Look at the NYC marathon. The NFC is in the bib

Anything you have to invest money and cost into support, diagnostics and long term loss/ is costly

It might work technology wise, but economically other choices exist. Wifi isn't plagued with advertising. Big tech and media is.

You can have localized wifi that doesn't have ads.

[karmic junco]

getting some intersting hits here now

after I replaced one of the lora32 boards that was acting up

21HT (4 hop)

and c638 (7 hop)

c638 shows itself with coordinates that is in the ocean just south of brighton beach

and another one named c996 which is reporting right by the eastern pkwy bkyn museum

so I really need an antenna repositioning, or I need a slgiht solar node somewhere.

[mortal wind]

Yes, and the barrier to entry is this. If the end user doesnt have Meshtastic, they can't join within the channel of conversation.

the best way I can analog to this is Discord itself...but offgrid and proximity first. As all the data registered to that node is locked behind the key to that node.

This is based not on a connection to the internet, but rather building a way to create an analog privilege of sorts, as bots and other forms of AI representations are becoming harder and harder to use what the internet was originally made for.

[karmic junco]

except.. that you believe the node isnt created with an AI representation either.

[mortal wind]

Quite the opposite.

If there are AI nodes out there, their representation would stick out more than hardware based solutions.

[karmic junco]

If the "node" is the holder of the lock and key... how is this any different than any other kind of system. BBS's have been designed this way for ages, the owner of the BBS can see all.

[mortal wind]

Totally, thats what is so interesting about BBS1, and the later implimentations.

[karmic junco]

To put it simply, any implementation you do with lorawan (meshtastic or otherwise) is not really diffferent than you doing it with a private wifi

or a private IP network

The hardware has minimal impact to the end goal you stated.

I just still cant grasp exactly what data you'd be exchanging.

Assuming any of the big events (Comdex/NYautoshow etc)... what data would the end user be transmitting or receiving from a vendor?

You can't rely on positioning data indoors- the GPS doesn't work or isnt good enough to trianguate.

[mortal wind]

I get the confusion, Its about cultural exclusitivity more than anything (like Discord itself). Sometimes solutions are not about just solving to scale, but to find support in spaces that were deem inaccessible before these embedded devices stuff started to become available over time.

[karmic junco]

can you clarify that some more? Because as it stands right now, the vast majority of people have a device which has solved that problem- but your suggesting to add a layer to... make it harder?

in truth, a meshtastic device's barrier to entry isnt really the cost. It cost less than a big mac meal at mc donalds.

Its the beta/unrefined/tinkering stages that are the real barrier to entry.

Discord exclusivity is based upon its user access- you have to want to install the software/sign up and you have to be allowed into certain channels if you want to be part o if.t

Im glad people push the boundaries of technology, that is how advancements happen; but I've seen tons of tech go the way side, because something is cheaper and better at it

heck, who still has a modem around

[mortal wind]

Yes, the physicality is the point of this idea, as the end user would need to show up as an actual person. I understand that the difficulty rn is the tinkering aspect, which is why I'm surprised there isn't much of an open source alternative than host serv options (IRC) that the end user hopes that whatever they are signing up to has end users in the first place.

[karmic junco]

Do you mind if we simplify the concepts a bit?

Is your end goal to use it as an authentication token?

(like a physical challenge coin)

[mortal wind]

exactly.

but like in real time proximity

[karmic junco]

It does nothing else except that?

[mortal wind]

exactly.

[karmic junco]

I(or its primary function ist hat)

Whats wrong with NFC?

[mortal wind]

Goal isn't to prove existence by showing up directly, but rather showing up in the area for the groupchat

if the person phsyically leaves the space, they don't have access to the groupchat anymore

[karmic junco]

interesting. What stops people from having higher gain and directed antennas

considering meshtastic has a record 100+km distance (or was it 100mi)

[mortal wind]

If they are that invested atp, then their roles are probably different than the rest of the nodes.

Difficulty just enough for people to represent themselves.

[karmic junco]

Yes, but what your suggesting is almost MI6 type stuff

like your conversations is so priviledges and free mason like that you cannot afford to have your messages heard or read by someone who isn't part of the group

[mortal wind]

except all of this is possible through FOSS, hilariously.

[karmic junco]

Yes. Of course. , but thats still... generally an intriguing idea, but like all good ideas, the holes may make it not worthwhile

Like its so secret or secure or dangerous you cannot make a physical appearance

but close... is ok

[mortal wind]

Better than obsessing over the latest AI models

[karmic junco]

far is insecure because you cant prove you've been closed

(er close)

but yet signals can still be triangulated

I'd rather just do PKE's

what your suggesting is a game of spy telephone; like in the old movies where someone sets s meet up point, and when you get there, a hidden cell phone/pay phone redirects you somewhere else

and there is nothing theoreticaly wrong with this, if you needed this level of complexity.

But then you might as well keep meshtastic, have people physically check in, give them a new QR private channel code, and then kill it when the session is over.

[mortal wind]

irl discord ftw

[karmic junco]

Ok, but then.. why not.. just speak to each other.

[mortal wind]

Conventions and expoitions are so overstimulating and oversaturating regarless of the topic. 😫

I would love to say a couple of words in that moment for a particular vendor to blast across the space

[karmic junco]

Ok, comicon is not the same as Comdex or business related

[karmic junco]

aint that advertising?

Seems that your looking for a captive audience that nobody else has access to....

and unless your using a device that is bt connected, you'd need one with a screen.

At first I thought you were trying to prevent a Mike waltz blunder

With the applicable scenario, of geo limited tranmission of information or data, Pete Hegseths info could not have possibly been received by the news report.

However, without a way to limit who can add a channel or person (a la mike waltz adding the reporter) nothing stops a sharing of a QR code

[mortal wind]

Yse, and the related WiFi spaces are also with captive access. A simple channel where I can just say some things without using extra data sounds like a plus.

[karmic junco]

There is nothing built into meshtastic to prevent this

[mortal wind]

Yeah meshtastic, is just the physical gateway, which provides a buffer of authetication for both verifying and removing nodes (since these addresses are represented as physical hardware).

[karmic junco]

(id conceptually disagree that meshtastic is the physical gateway) . It is a software gateway that interacts with lorawan and sets up the parameters for byte sizes, etc.

There is other offshoots and other software that rely on the exact same hardware base as meshtastic

[mortal wind]

so you are correct on that, as to auth requests would be the next layer in the stack. Meshtastic is the most known brand so far in the LoRaWAN space fwiw.

[karmic junco]

Eh. I'd say that is only true in the mesh space. In the Lorawan space its probably helium

theres also TTN

(in personal reference, I was into Helium before meshtastic)

and not as a crypto miner, but as a IOT usage

[mortal wind]

Understandable.

[karmic junco]

Again, intriguing. and I do understand the need for verifiable ID

it isn't just for conversations, but also for banking, travel, and national security.

You are who you say you are is extremely difficult...

[mortal wind]

Yeah, and LLMs rn arent making things better

[karmic junco]

Well, its difficult when you do not want to release your own personal verifications

Well, LLM's cant replicate your DNA

and you can always have a hash value on that.

"hair sample please."

Just think Citibank still uses OTA phone txt messages for 2 factor

or email

no other options

[mortal wind]

tf? oh boy.

I bought some physical keys atp because of the amount of services going 'passwordless'.

[karmic junco]

So you loose your phone, and are forced (like that poor italian tourist) to try and give up his crypto passcode

Which ones? Yubico?

[mortal wind]

Identiv

[karmic junco]

I want a damn physical watch. OTP's, water proof, solar powered.

not even NFC

(though nice)

and then I want it where it requires button presses in combo to display it

[mortal wind]

Embedded computing is really showing up for things like this: https://shop.m5stack.com/products/crypto-authentication-unit-atecc608b

[karmic junco]

and if the back temp drops below 85 degrees, it locks

because that means your not waearing it

[karmic junco]

Ya.. Im not smart enough to know what to do with these things.

[karmic junco]

can you tell me more about why you went with identiv? Im seeing a lot of NFC/ mifare stuff

[mortal wind]

two forms of accessibility, one requiring no physical interaction (NFC) and one working physically (USB-C/USB-A).

Also supports ADP for iOS devices.

[karmic junco]

do they have a good form factor?

[mortal wind]

a bit rounder than the Yubikeys

similar thickness from observation

[karmic junco]

I like yubikeys, I hate carrying them around

[mortal wind]

Its the corners?

[karmic junco]

its... the form factor

and yet another where do I put this

keeping it in your wallet is kinda stupid

because hats where you money and ID's go. First item to get swiped

keeping it on a neck lanyard... limited physical work and excercise

annoying a fark to have it dangking

Keys... I dont even keep physical keys.

[mortal wind]

This is why I'm so interested in personal embedded devices. Especially self-hosted ones.

[karmic junco]

phone I always have, but Im not leaving it with the phone, defies the 2 factor

well biometics are tecnically personal embedded devices

wow

I got a hit from f481

I know you got it a week ago

where is that node? Its tough tto tell from the indicator

4 hops

have you considered token 2?

[mortal wind]

I haven’t heard of it, and I’m curious about it for future use.

[daring moth]

What about this? https://www.yubico.com/blog/customer-yubistories-how-a-biopharmaceutical-company-solved-nfc-authentication-with-a-yubikey-and-wristband/

[proven grove]

Is HxD in here?

[karmic junco]

That does not look stylish at all

If you do would just curve it a bit and make anband ..

[daring moth]

They make it in a couple other colors: https://pocketbands.com/collections/pocketbands-passbands

[karmic junco]

oh that looks less intrusive

considering Id most likely be using it NFC mode most of the time.

token 2 might win though-

useless looking enough

[daring moth]

I'm curious, which model from them are you looking at purchasing?

[abstract iron]

what about the small USB C ones?

what about the small USB C ones?

Yubikey 5C Nano

[daring moth]

Unless you leave it plugged into a laptop all the time, then IMO that's too easy to loose.

[jaunty harness]

it's also not a matter of "if" but "when" you accidently activate it and suddenly you have a big old string of gibberish in whatever you were typing

[daring moth]

That's only if you have the static password or other similar functionality enabled.

[midnight mural]

There were 6 nodes at the Indy500, 2 were mine 😂🤣😭😭

[abstract iron]

I have a USB A in a safe but if I needed to carry it around I'd just get the small Cs

[karmic junco]

I like the token 2... But it only stores one. They have a other one that stores 10

[daring moth]

There's like over a dozen different models: https://www.token2.com/shop/category/fido2-keys
Which one?

[karmic junco]

https://www.token2.com/shop/category/multi-profile-programmable-tokens

Programable otp

https://www.token2.com/shop/product/token2-molto-1-i-multi-profile-totp-hardware-token

[daring moth]

What about storing your TOTP codes in a password manager like Bitwarden that supports requiring a FIDO2 security key to unlock it?

[karmic junco]

Honestly I'm more worried about nefarious take over of my phone getting the otp then a nefarious outside entity knocking me over and getting my otp

Though the Italian guy being held and tortured by chainsaw comes to mind

[daring moth]

You do realize that certain malware can also just steal browser session cookies, etc.

[karmic junco]

Yes. And then . All this is for nothing anyhow

[daring moth]

Why do you have a YubiKey in a safe but not one that you carry around with you? Do you just use your smartphone as a passkey?

[jaunty harness]

no he uses my phone, hits me up when he needs the TOTP 😄

[karmic junco]

You need a backup yubikey

if your key becomes compromized or damaged, you need a backup key

[karmic junco]

you laugh, but... thats how I do my parents

[abstract iron]

only need my personal one to restart accounts not for daily access

work ones I have various mini A or C

yeah use my phone authenticator for everything else

[keen slate]

you may be interested in the new pebble watch. there was an otp app on the original that i enjoyed using that is probably still compatible with the new os because it’s derived from the original

https://store.repebble.com

https://github.com/Neal/pebble-authenticator

no user presence, secure element, or nfc 😦

also lacking solar, but the battery lasts 30d. you may be able to add a user presence api to the os using the heart rate monitor

[abstract iron]

interesting

weirdly my solar node, which lost its config when it went zero battery, won't collect environment telemetry anymore. temp humidity etc

[jaunty harness]

did you reenable telemetry? (not sure if that's just for power anymore) is it at least seeing the bme### during boot?

[abstract iron]

Yes re enabled. Didn't serial console it yet but good Q

used remote admin to reboot it and it dumped config again! these things really don't like brownout

[jaunty harness]

yeah, that's why I like doing an LFS nuke before restoring cfg, just remove any questionable funkiness from there

[abstract iron]

wait the reboot nuked the config, I reloaded with BLE CLI, now it's working

yeah it needs a total refresh

next project is to pull outside weather conditions from the solar node into HomeAssistant

[karmic junco]

that is intriguing

[jaunty harness]

at that point might as well get the node metrics as well!

[karmic junco]

I thought the t1000 has barometric...

but it doesnt show

I got something from a node named "hicory st"

hickory rather

7 HOPS!

[jaunty harness]

is just temp, the unused accelerometer, and the lux sensor

heh isn't that over in bedstuy-ish?

[karmic junco]

I am not sure, it didnt come up with any geo info

[jaunty harness]

ahhh pretty sure i've seen it before

[karmic junco]

the longest is 33.8km, node f481

GPS is :40°48'57.0"N 74°12'46.7"W

looks to be montclair NJ... 4 hops

[abstract iron]

I see Hickory on and off

[karmic junco]

ok.. going to try and do this admin channel thing

[karmic junco]

Ok, whenever I do the admin channel, it wipes out the longfast (secondary chnanel)

even though I dont go into the screen.

it literally copies the primary channel over it

Wow, this admin channel stuff just killed all my configs

[keen slate]

idk the full context here but afaik the admin channel is deprecated. you can send admin messages over the primary channel if you add the public key of another node to the config of the node you want to administer

open question: are there definitions for what PKE and PKI stand for in the meshtastic context? PKI is technically inaccurate because there is no certificate chain back to a root, PKE could mean public key exchange? i have seen them used interchangeably

[karmic junco]

I did that .. but it made a different secondary channel overwriting the longfast

[keen slate]

when i set that up, it didn’t change my channel config 🤷

you’re on a recent fw right? 2.5 or above

there’s some notes about the history here: https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/remote-admin/

it sounds like you are trying to use the “legacy” configuration with a separate admin channel. it’s not recommended for new setups but maintained for backwards compatibility with existing deployments

[jaunty harness]

yeah that's why the ❓ s - the current way skips all those shenanigans

[karmic junco]

No absolutely nlt doing the legacy. I copied the public key from the controlling node. Pasted into the admin of the destination node

It works fine for control- but wipes out the secondary channel which was the public longfast and replaced it with the same config as channel 0

[glossy pine]

Sounds like you’re doing a mix of legacy and the contemporary methods, there doesn’t need to be an admin channel at all as I understand it

[karmic junco]

I don't have an admin chnnel

Never have.

I've never done the legacy way.

After reverification, I am definitely doing the updated 2.5 way. Copy the public key, pasted it into one of the 3 admin slots of the target unit

And the remote wirks

I can connect and admin it. But it wipes out channel 1

I reverified everything again; it keeps the primary 0- thats fine. It modifies the secondary (1)- by copying over the primary's channel name-

While keeping the key of the secondary- which in my case, was the default longfast

[rare sparrow]

So looks like an app bug? 🐛

[karmic junco]

whenever I hit the "+" sign to add another channel, it adds the name of the primary 0 channel name

whereas before remote admin, it would add "longfast" as the default

in the midst of all this, my t1000 (the admin node) crashed

or at least by the next morning

mind you no settings were changed in the sensecap

(all that was done was to copy the public key). But it took out its channel 1 as well!!

this is what happens when I hit the + button

its supposed to say "longfast"

and its on 2.5.16

Ok.. wow.. its definately a bug

I removed admin slot 1. Still the same. I deleted channel 1, send. Then hit + . Still the same, still adding Pxprivate as the default name. I then deleted all channels, save, then hit + and now its back to longfast

Ok I was able to replicate the error. When you send the admin key, it definately screws with something in the channels.

If you erase all your channels, and then send, it will then default to longfast again- of course you loose all your keys

Thing is, I want to say it isnt a firmware bug; I think its an android bug

[karmic junco]

it could also be the sensecap indicator causing all sorts of issue

[midnight mural]

Some of us are getting Femtofox’s this week, @abstract iron browned out a node, and @jaunty harness frequently talks about backing your shit up.

Sooooooo, I’m thinking about collecting “best practices” on setting up nodes, backing up stuff etc and then posting it nyme.sh

Thoughts??? Opinions????

[rare sparrow]

I’ll also need to find some time to migrate nyme.sh to use MkDocs

For documentation type website it’s easier to build

[midnight mural]

What is a LFS nuke, Linux from scratch? 😂

[karmic junco]

not a bad idea

woah I wish I could do a scren record

this is so messed up on the indicator

If I delete all the channels, a default longfast will come back (good)

if I add a secondary channel, whatever I want its fine (good)

if I move the secondary channel to where the first channel was by dragging, now both become the same chnanel name, and the key becomes PSK

meltdown averted...f or now.. lol

YOu know what I thought would be nice? (though a little verbose)

if you send something out, you really have no idea who got your message.

You know if something received it, but it could just be for a relay.

Mayybe not for the default channel, but for other channels, when you send out to the channel, every node able to decrypt the message should send back a node ID/name- thus you can see who actually received it.

[midnight mural]

A read receipt per se?

[karmic junco]

Maybe not even a read, (or could be a read as well) but a delivered to a device which could decyper it

Lets say you send a message to pork, it relayed through me. If porks device gets it, it should send back a notice that it did.

[midnight mural]

An ack receipt 😎

[karmic junco]

My presence doesn't matter

so you don't care if It passes through me, you just need to know that someone on your channel got it, and who got it.

[daring moth]

Maybe LittleFS? IDK

[midnight mural]

Yeah, I like that. When I go test my hole in midtown, I message my private channel and my home node to see if the message made it

[karmic junco]

Ya I do the same. But it sucks that we never really know

until we get home and check

[midnight mural]

For sure

[karmic junco]

So if you put it into a more challenging enviroment, i.e. your in the woods, you have a plan, but when you send a message, you never know if anyone on your channel received your message

It may have hit some other hikers nodes, but hey, did it get to your friends?

Now Im going and trying to direct message, instead of the group

and hoping that it goes through

trying to get that confirmation

[mortal wind]

store and forwarding?

[karmic junco]

anyways, thats just my thought. Its easier with direct mesage-. Its a bit harder because it would need an ACK from every node which processed it, and then some visual way of displaying it

[karmic junco]

No store and forward has no guarentees messages ever made it

If I send a message to my private channel, regardless of how many people are on it, I should get an ACK from everyone who was able to decode my message

[mortal wind]

understandable, looking for confirmation.

[karmic junco]

If you received it, I should get an ACK

MAybe I have a group of 30 people at a festival. I message "free beer at the south east entrance"

I don't actually know that 30 people got it

I should see something like "loein ACK" and then "Loein READ" if you read it

I should see a stream of ack's.

"Pizza ACK"

"Pork ACK"

"Supermath ACK"

"Pizza READ"

This way I know when you got it, and when you read it

it is annoyingly verbose, should your group be large...

But then we would also know that Rob never got a message

maybe he sat on it, broke it, lost it, dropped it in the toilet.

or got kidnapped

[glossy pine]

I agree it’s too bad there’s no way to tell with channels, but wouldn’t a stream of acks from every device on the mesh end up eating the entire chutil for minutes after each new message was sent, leading most of the acks themselves to fail and in turn no other new messages to be able to get through

[karmic junco]

Hoestly, I dont know how much utilization there actually is

I've got 3.2% utilization right now.. droppign to 0 all the time.

at least where I am, there is 0 other meshtastic device on the longfast that I can see

[glossy pine]

It doesn’t take much for it to spike pretty high

[abstract iron]

even my 3rd floor solar node (set to hops 9) can hit 20 pct util

[karmic junco]

but is this all meshtastic traffic?

or is it just... othr crap on the spectrum

[glossy pine]

Ok so in your setting it might be feasible, but where I am in bk if every node on LongFast ack’d back it would kill everything for minutes at a time, longer if the ack’s that failed auto-retry

[midnight mural]

I think this was for private channels

[glossy pine]

I think though even a couple people sending back acks simultaneously would crush the network briefly

[jaunty harness]

LittleFileSystem

[karmic junco]

ACK's are really no different then sending "OK"

so unless you just get message and never respond...

Ok is actualyl smaller than most of the other data- say environmental or coordinates

I think there's certainly a use scenario for it, but not in the default "longfast"

But its just a regular channel- nothing actually stops all of us from always using long fast.

[abstract iron]

2 AM!!

[karmic junco]

You think thats all from meshtastic?

I've never seen 23%. lol ever

[jaunty harness]

you should never see >25% from another node, because if it was that high for long enough the node won't even attempt to rebroadcast

(well, as long as it's not infra, then it has 35% ceiling)

you should also get an ACK if it was DM, but for wider use with public channel it wouldn't be as bad as a traceroute's packet storm but it'd def kick off a util spike, and if you have one node positioned just right to have it propagated all the ACKs will get out on the public channel/mesh

[karmic junco]

how about the ack be send direct to sender only

[jaunty harness]

so like 0 hop? that'd be less spammy for sure

[abstract iron]

idk. if I had better Rx opportunity I'd fire up that raw gnuradio LoRa decoder and compare chutil / try to understand

[jaunty harness]

i could never get it to work, i tried again on sat but it just loads up all broken and gnuradio isn't exactly intuitive to fix the probs (I only really got my RTL-SDR source set)

[abstract iron]

oh man.... like deep python or library drift or something else

wait rtlsdr doesnt have bandwidth for the entire 915ism

does it

[jaunty harness]

like i just don't know wtf is even going on and the instructios are like "install A then B then run C and IT JUST WORKS"

[abstract iron]

./brainlapse

hhahhj

[jaunty harness]

you can do one preset at a time, if you have fancier device you can do multiple presets

[abstract iron]

ok nod

[jaunty harness]

you can still see stuff in a softwaresdr (I like gqrx personally) easily, just not decoding

[abstract iron]

yeah gqrx is great

[daring moth]

Who's Supermath? I know of a user with the Discord username Supermath101, but that's distinctly different from Supermath.

[karmic junco]

I meant you

lol

[jaunty harness]

It took 100 failed supermaths to produce supermath101!

[daring moth]

The 101 was stolen from inspired by the game Wizard101.

[glossy pine]

Soup or mats

[jaunty harness]

ooooo Origin Story!