us - NYC metro

[spark sapphire]

Did anyone receive a message from flight AS23 around 11:56 this morning?

[brazen spear]

I just got mine as well! Wish I had ordered as much as you 😅

[daring moth]

@hexed pawn, since it seems Hack Manhattan likely wouldn't have the space to store it, why don't you ask Meshtastic users in NYC?

[inner helm]

Does anyone know how that alien dude spells his name

I’m in his territory and want to at him

[jaunty harness]

a.li3n

[inner helm]

@proven grove I’m in ur base kill in’ ur dudes

[rare sparrow]

got the Alfa today, hope this gives me better range 😌

[cerulean thorn]

solved the wifi issue on my portduino node... bluetooth was interfering

[rare sparrow]

I can finally traceroute GrandSt 😭

ROBB helped too

[midnight mural]

what kind of range were you getting? I have been doing some testing with my two nodes, really only get 5-10 blocks

I feel like my home node needs to have a legit antenna

[rare sparrow]

direct was only local Bay Ridge

now i can at least get ROBB direct

i believe he's in downtown BK

[midnight mural]

so you have an improvement

[midnight mural]

which alfa did you get?

[rare sparrow]

yes! very happy

[rare sparrow]

ALFA AOA-915-5ACM

from Rokland

I'm now starting to see nodes i never seen before...

bunch of "new node has been discovered!"

[midnight mural]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOO, THAT'S WONDERFUL NEWS, PIZZA PARTY TIME!!!!

[rare sparrow]

woo hoo

[midnight mural]

I'm starting to also mull over a car node....so antennas both indoor and out are on my mind these days.

@rare sparrow do you have your ant inside or out?

[rare sparrow]

inside

on my window

[midnight mural]

with that sic 3M mounting solution 😉

[jaunty harness]

I hope that 3M brand tape so it's also 3M-Powered

[midnight mural]

speaking of antennas, anyone have any right angle suggestions? I don't have one, and I think that's the best bet for my portable raspi setup

[jaunty harness]

they tend to measure worse when bent but better to actually test to see if your particular is doing it

[midnight mural]

that is exactly why I was asking, I wondered if it was a design or manufacture specific thing.....I assume this is something I could test with my new VNA?

measure it straight, measure it bent, see if there is a difference?

[rare sparrow]

yes

for ex.

https://github.com/meshtastic/antenna-reports/blob/main/PDFs/CDEBYTE_TX915-JKD-20.pdf

performs better when bent

[midnight mural]

"performs better when bent" - what a band name

[cerulean thorn]

Defcon and Dayton ham are gonna be short turbo

Just got off a call with some meshtastic devs and defcon people

Can't wait for the analysis post dayton

[abstract iron]

I got a second Alfa to compare. Tests more or less the same on the VNA. Still deaf inside like everything but t1es

🤔

[rare sparrow]

ur 5 hops away ; (

[abstract iron]

can you actually see any of my nodes recently?

[rare sparrow]

not "recently"

[normal osprey]

I’m excited to try Short Fast at EDC LV with 70+ confirmed nodes (probably over 100)

[glass marsh]

it is, just a heltec v3 on the balcony window for now, will be a solar node outside on the balcony rail soon

[cerulean thorn]

oh right that's real soon!

[normal osprey]

Fly to vegas in 2 weeks!! (with 24 nodes in my bag)

[midnight mural]

I'm curious how it goes, I'm headed to the Indy500 this year, and duh, bringing my shit camping that weekend

public events like that is one thing I am totally excited about testing out and just seeing what people use it for. $5 says drugz lol

at least randos, not friend groups, they already brought drugs

[normal osprey]

I got into Meshtastic after I had trouble communicating with my friends last EDC. Heard about Totem Labs, then Crowd Compass, and eventually Meshtastic.

Ordered two nodes a week after I got back from EDC… bought a 3D printer shortly after that to print cases… and here we are almost a year later!

[midnight mural]

I hear that. I am free falling down the rabbit hole of radio. I had my PPE gear on, a safety harness, and I was like, Oh, what is this adorable little thing (SDR) and I fucking slipped and am, as I said, free falling in the radio rabbit hole, also here 🙂

computers and radio sitting in a tree, M-E-S-H-I-N-G

ROFLMAO

[twin root]

i get regular pings from ZLLA but 1 and 2 havent hit in 12 hrs.

5 hops to zlla reported and no shot of getting a trace

[jaunty harness]

a.li3n - you were correct, there is also a fundamental flaw with the babel's lora wiring if the liberty_meshmess is to be trusted (and it's Tom's design so, yeah - trustworthy), in addition to the definitely pin34 conflict, hes got IRQ wired to CS/NSS which you could in theory config around, but he also left DIO9 n/c and that is what IRQ should be wired to (closes all the PDFs and diagrams and goes to add a third jumper wire)

(basically fire seems to have missed this, or just messed up)

i feel like i could sorted this out quicker with a solid chunk of time to devote instead of here and there pretty much restarting each time

[abstract iron]

haha..I'm gonna do a bike loop after school drop and try to get some prop

[midnight mural]

Stop, drop & prop?
😂

[abstract iron]

Uno what's your nodenames?

[rare sparrow]

🪤 & 🐭

[abstract iron]

ayo 38 percent

[glossy pine]

End Telemetry Propagation!

It’s the vast majority of mesh congestion

[abstract iron]

like location and temp etc?

only 12 percent on the donk / Alfa

😂

here's a good one... that's a miss I'm surprised I'm not 1 hop to domino

it shot all the way over Manhattan

[normal osprey]

I have a pretty good connection to BOKN, it seems

GrandSt makes sense as the mesh knows that’s my favorite node 😂

[spark sapphire]

Hudson yards

[normal osprey]

Just got two of those also!

[fervent nebula]

yup.

[normal osprey]

how do you tap back with other emojis? is that an android thing? these are my options

[abstract iron]

Saw the jetblue. can't reply now because inside

in android have to press the right side emoji button and then entire emoji panel comes up

cant hold and do anything but copy/paste

[proven grove]

in the future, don't feel bad about tagging me, 9/10 times I'm going to miss messages like this because, I'll be honest, I'm dyslexic and reading isn't a favorite past time of mine. Y'all can be a chatty bunch so its a lot to catch up on, so just @ me and i'll always see it 😉

I feel like someone should tell Fire, but at the same time, I can see them getting defensive lol.

[jaunty harness]

hah k, and yeah mostly at this point I want to get it working so I open GitHub issue with fixes instead of just "this doesn't work"

[proven grove]

Also, when you were playing with the latest firmware, and you flipped between presets, what weirdness were you seeing? I'm seeing this on a MeshAdv Pi HAT:
packet decoding failed or skipped (no PSK?) (id=0x00000000 fr=0x00000000 to=0x00000000, WantAck=0, HopLim=0 Ch=0x0 encrypted len=56 rxtime=1746021664)

[jaunty harness]

and for the record I ❤️ his spearmintastic design even though the range with the ceramic antenna is poo

mmm i only flipped a nrf+esp32kit wio, never looked at logs

the 0x00000000 is def odd, i'd expect Fs if it was some mangled / older firmware message or something garbled it couldn't be decoded

[rare sparrow]

Yes they are hard coded…

Maybe future update will add the emoji selector

[twin root]

Telemetry literally will not transmit if you're channel utilization is above 25%

[twin root]

Your running a t1000e at 5 hops? and your surprised about high channel util? 😂

5 hops in the bouroughs no less

[twin root]

Unfortunately that -14.5db on my Rx of you ain't that good, I'm gonna upgrade from a 5dbi to an 9dbi later this week, just waiting for a cable to come in 🙂

I have a building obstructing my direct LoS to you so we're competing with that

[jaunty harness]

wouldn't 9 be 3 too many db or is it not 30db/1W radio?

[glossy pine]

somehow it’s 30% of traffic

[jaunty harness]

anyone else getting constant traceroutes from SST/Steiner Studios Tower/!75e19e64 ?

[fervent nebula]

That's me, I was testing out MeshSense. The default trace values are WAY too high.

[jaunty harness]

ahhh - yes, pleeeeeease bump it to at least 24hrs

also : welcome to the mesh / discord!!

[rare sparrow]

Welcome to the mesh!

Was around Steiner a lot before

I studied at Feirstein

[abstract iron]

I can't detect TR easily but I did just see that Steiner node show up recently

I'd have to debug dump my t1e

[jaunty harness]

yeah i only see from meshtasticd logs on the window/desk nodes

or meshsense will show it if it actually makes it through

[twin root]

Your individual device will not do it if it's above 25% doesn't mean others are constantly above 25%.

[fervent nebula]

bumped it to 24hrs.

I just set up the node yesterday, it's posted up in a window right now. Swapped out the antenna today for a spare whip I had to see if it was any better, not much improvement. Waiting on some hardware deliveries and hoping to get it up on the actual tower next week or two.

[glossy pine]

Yes I understand, to the original point 70% of traffic is telemetry and position info

[abstract iron]

nice this will be a great location for another node, @fervent nebula

[glossy pine]

Could we all be running 7 hops for msgs with less congestion than we have now if we had no telemetry and position info being auto sent?

[twin root]

You can simulate that easily with the simulator and get an answer

I would posit that the answer is no

https://meshtastic.org/docs/software/meshtasticator/

[jaunty harness]

does the simulator account for older fw that will try and send NODEINFO to any new node it sees?

[twin root]

Technically new firmware does this too if there is no other active nodes on the mesh, we're just not doing that all the time because our scaling factor is kicked to absolute max because of the total number of nodes and current channel utilization

[twin root]

The simulator is actually pretty great as far as customizability you could probably just put that in real quick, ask ChatGPT on how to make a config file for that

[jaunty harness]

ahhh good point, mostly just curious how much of that impacts things

[twin root]

Yeah, I messed around with it a lot last year when I was planning for the other mesh, a node to 7 hops generates 22x the network traffic of a node with three hops, on a network of 75 nodes with 10% overlap

[twin root]

Just FYI, even if you bump into 24 hours mesh sense will still send one at I think a 5-minute interval minimum (not settable by user) if the path changes, which happens all the time.

Mesh sense is really cool for doing benchmarks and debugging but in my opinion, shouldn't be ran all the time.

The UI is super slick though

[fervent nebula]

That sucks. The UI is pretty slick. I've been enjoying watching the data build.

[glossy pine]

So since the mesh currently has 2.68% of its network routing txt messages and 70% routing position and telem even a 22x load would still be just shy of 60% which would still be less than the 70% currently spent on telem/posit reporting. Or does it work differently than that?

[jaunty harness]

ugggggh fuck, I have the TR disabled but that's super dildos if it's still sending out AT ALL when set to 24hrs

[twin root]

It does work differently than that! You have no way of actually calculating the total bandwidth of the mesh without a simulator. You would need to know the simultaneous channel utilization of every single node on the mesh. Just because one node is receiving 60% Nodeinfo does not mean others are. I for example I'm not receiving anywhere near that.

[twin root]

The developers have a pull request to remediate this with the mesh sense developers , and they're being very receptive, I'll see if I can find the discussion for you

@fervent nebula here it is https://github.com/Affirmatech/MeshSense/issues/64

[jaunty harness]

i've seen a thread where someone from bay area mesh shared a ton of data on the impact of the TRs and it totally made me a TR hater

[twin root]

Yeah that's our buddy @lament wing , he did a lot of research

Listen as a debugging tool I think it's very useful but we should only run it when we're there, looking at it and trying to gather some data

You should hear about their mesh in the Bay area, it's incredible

[jaunty harness]

oh for sure (he types while watching tcpdump in another window wondering where works packets are going)

[lament wing]

We still use mesh sense but I think people should manually activate it

People use meshsense as a client but the trace routes automatically happen by default

[brazen spear]

Happy to discuss permanent install options if you're putting it up high on a mast.

[jaunty harness]

I had no idea it was still running autoTRs even when set high, but I don't think I've ever seen my window node run a TR with it disabled (not saying it's not happening as much as I haven't seen it)

[glass marsh]

anyine know what the NY12 "TAK" node is?

[jaunty harness]

ignorable 😆

[glass marsh]

lol

[jaunty harness]

TAK is basiaclly Tactical Assault/Awareness... Kit? its cool for like search and rescue to be able to monitor position of a bunch of people but in NYC it's just spamming positioning packets unless you changed your rebroadcast to only core port #s

[brazen spear]

Should I block this node from our "repeaters"?

[daring moth]

Well, you'd be utilizing the ignore feature, but yes.

[brazen spear]

Ppl have tried to dm NY12 before, right?

[jaunty harness]

yeah, it's only been running ATAK and never talked - last I saw it was 7 hops but not 100% if it was the Staten Island special or something in ATAK mode that going that high - other option is set the NYCMesh meshtastic nodes's rebroadcast to CORE PORT #s ONLY which would simply drop ATAK

GrandSt is usually pretty close to 25% so would be a good one to experiment on first to see how much util it cuts

[brazen spear]

Have any more established citywide meshtastic systems put out a usage guidelines document?

[abstract iron]

should we all be using core port only? I don't want my bird node to be too active in spamming, when it's back 😂

but no for real

[daring moth]

https://bayme.sh/docs/getting-started/recommended-settings/

[normal osprey]

This article says:
“Number of hops: 3 (Default) - Please don’t turn this up.”
That seems to be such a point of contention around here for some reason.

[jaunty harness]

yeah, 3 hops in a well organized mesh should be sufficient. in the of NYC we're slowly improving... not so much which is why some rely on it for message delivery even though it's deterimental to the mesh as a whole. also I really need to summarize feeb's excellent reasoning/explaination for the github page

[abstract iron]

I saw on r/ that Berlin is planning a big MF cutover day

and leaving a LF behind to announce

[bronze wren]

I use 3 when I'm in areas where I have nodes that have good mesh connection nearby but it's not nearly enough when I'm in some areas of queens. I will get nothing between spots a few miles away. I think there must be some tangle in norther bk that eats up all my hops.

[normal osprey]

People turn their hop counts up because we don’t have a well organized mesh
and we don’t have a well organized mesh (partly) due to people turning their hop counts up

it’s a vicious cycle 😂

+1 for summarizing feeb’s comment about hop counts for the ny mesh site

have chatgpt do it

[bronze wren]

I mean sure, chan utilization is high but it's not entirely the issue AFAICT. It's more that we have a weird density bias in some areas. So the spread factor of a rebroadcast is really inefficient if radios are super close.

[abstract iron]

Yeah like I have six hop route to NJ and back to msg Haqer from WB to WB water

But getting a msg out in Greenpoint requires perfect solar alignment

[normal osprey]

We definitely have more issues than just hop count. We have one of the hardest terrains to mesh.

Most of SF, they’re not even allowed to build above 3 stories tall.

[normal osprey]

max transmission reached when mercury is in retrograde

[bronze wren]

Clear skies definitely help but ... I'm almost superstitious enough to go with that explanation. 😂

Either way, I would love to see some MF experiments but I def don't have critical mass around my home so I can't participate with that until I get rooftop access or something. I'm waiting on a new hothead for my printer so I can work on my outdoor AC mounts.

Or maybe I'll just tape one of my spare muziworks enclosures to it lol.

[normal osprey]

I’d like at least a discussion about which radio preset we should test next… before I participate in a Berlin style cutover test.

Even if that discussion just confirms we should try Med Fast next.

[bronze wren]

I think many of us have N+1 radios at this point? No harm in having one set to a diff preset if so.

[normal osprey]

I’ll also be testing Short Fast at EDC LV in two weeks but that won’t help us much with NYC planning.

[bronze wren]

I usually only carry one device but I could setup two window nodes and carry a spare MF node.

[normal osprey]

Agreed but I think MF was just randomly selected. There should be at least some reasoning for choosing that. Especially considering that no other major metro has committed to MF yet.

SF Bay is on Medium Slow and NZ moved to Short Fast.

[jaunty harness]

SF is moving to SF from MediumSomething from what I've heard...

[daring moth]

A select few of us even have N³ Meshtastic nodes at this point, where N is the average number of Meshtastic nodes people in this Discord thread have.

[normal osprey]

So that’s two major metros moving to Short Fast then.

[bronze wren]

If congestion is an issue, wouldn't fast be advisable?

slow would almost be like enforcing a duty cycle and could be tough to prioritize what to forward.

[jaunty harness]

MediumFast makes sense as the first test because its the least amount of range loss and gets off LF which is the first goal. ShortFast may work better for super high density like down->n brooklyn but may be worse on the whole, so worth a follow up experiment to achieve the second goal of amazing reliability

it's just hard to point to another urban mesh and what they're doing as 100% applicable here where we lack the same level of organization/infra

[normal osprey]

I’m all for fast! Most of my nodes are already on Short Fast for Vegas.

I’m not against Medium Fast. I participated in the adhoc testing we did the other day. Just would like some reasoning for why medium fast instead of short.

I don’t think Short Fast is as short as people think. I did some random range testing around Williamsburg and got as good or better range on SF80 than I do on LF20. Doesn’t mean much but short fast isn’t like really short.

[daring moth]

I wonder if it has to do with the fact that there are no REPEATERs/ROUTERs on short fast.

[bronze wren]

Honestly, anything but LF might just work better because the misconfigured nodes would stop being an issue.

[normal osprey]

Yeah, I think anything not LF20 will be exponentially better for us.

[daring moth]

Or even LF on a non-default frequency slot.

[bronze wren]

That too.

[normal osprey]

Except that Meshtastic article said dense meshes over 60 nodes aren’t ideal for LongFast.

i have 196 nodes in my node list rn

[jaunty harness]

yeah, again i think it's 1> get off the mess of LF and 2> more reliability but not at the expense of coverage, which MediumFast has the best balance of - but I'm also not particularly tied to MF as much as try turning the knob one notch at a time and not right to 11 😄

[bronze wren]

I have gotten 200+ but my node memory keeps fewer ... it's just the app remembering.

[midnight mural]

Feeling called out here 😇

[bronze wren]

A better measure is active/online nodes you've heard from.

[normal osprey]

yeah same, haven’t switched nodes in a while so my list is above 80

[jaunty harness]

yeah I hit 80nodes in 14hrs with not great positioning

[normal osprey]

For this purpose, i think we can agree we have more than 60 nodes around in the NYC Mesh tm

[bronze wren]

I haven't done a node db sweep but it'd be interesting to chart population speed again. I recall having no issues getting to the 70s in just a few hours in the past.

[jaunty harness]

wait, you meant on the mesh and not sitting off in a bin in my apt right? (discretely hides the nodes)

hahahah supermath101 thinking the same thing

[abstract iron]

wow

[normal osprey]

it’s ok, we call out nodes with incorrect roles too. it’s not personal 😂

[daring moth]

BTW, that's another users', not mine.

[jaunty harness]

(it's a.li3n's collection, gotta be even more by now)

[bronze wren]

I have 10 assembled units (most off) but another 5 radios I can wire up to a controller or serial port.

[fervent nebula]

I have like 12 nodes, more boards coming, just gave some away to a friend... I keep buying them >_<

[normal osprey]

and this is after he donated/gifted me some stuff!!

[jaunty harness]

https://tenor.com/wZP5.gif

[glass marsh]

take some of those spares and throw them up on MF, i just put one of mine in my attic

[normal osprey]

I have (for myself):
3 - T1000-E
3 - T-Echo
2 - Rak starter kits I need to learn how to solder to complete
1 - large outdoor node that will be more of a community node

in my possession, i have 22 more T-1000Es for friends at EDC

[fervent nebula]

When I do the outdoor installation for SST I'm gonna throw two nodes, the current one on LF/default and a second one on MF(or whatever's picked by that point) that I can flip around for testing.

[bronze wren]

I really want to try setting up a read-only catch all SDR node which can capture multiple channels/modes. Filtering would be a PITA though. It'd be super useful to find good settings too.

[bronze wren]

Damn. That's a haul for sure.

[jaunty harness]

setup Remote Admin and you can flip presets with your carry device(s)

[abstract iron]

is there a gnu radio or similar decode block for any of the LoRA modes? guessing yes

[normal osprey]

Yeah! not looking forward to flying to vegas with like 24 nodes but i think i’ll be fine

[jaunty harness]

i've seen some gnuradio decoders for meshtastic specificially, shouldn't be too hard to google up

[abstract iron]

nice

[jaunty harness]

this is the one I was thinking of

[midnight mural]

3M tape is best, gives 3db boost 😉

[bronze wren]

There is. Not too hard to find but it's not sophisticated enough to do multi-mode decodes AFAICT.

[jaunty harness]

could you do multiple instances w/multiple radios

[abstract iron]

it looks like it just grabs a lot of spectrum and filters?

[glossy pine]

All set to router

[bronze wren]

Probably. I haven't tried playing with any of that yet. Mostly want to work on some uart code to drive more raw capture and decode later stuff.

[glossy pine]

My latest rescued from the trash enclosure
#enclosures-discussion message

[fervent nebula]

I need to learn how to actually use gnuradio. my hackrf is at home gathering dust.

[jaunty harness]

lookin' good!

[bronze wren]

I need to work on some enclosures like this. I keep some of my containers around for this but always end up printing things but while my printer is out of order I should build one.

[glossy pine]

I’m trying to figure out how to harvest components out of this $10 solar power bank next

[brazen spear]

https://youtu.be/muVsrqnJZ8I?feature=shared

[daring moth]

How would that compare to https://meshtastic.org/docs/community/enclosures/rak/harbor-breeze-solar-hack/ ?

[glossy pine]

I already own the power bank

[bronze wren]

Yes! I've got an old solar pack my partner used to use for bikepacking. It looks like it might work really well for a solar node but I need to dissasemble the case still.

[abstract iron]

I have a BladeRF collecting dust that iirc has 40 M bandwidth so it could just capture the whole spectrum

[midnight mural]

I know, I’m here to help make it better. I toned down my t1e to 4 hops and have that on client mute.

BTW, up here in Toronto, 3 hops on LF seems to work pretty well, been chatting with locals all week with my three nodes 😎

I’m sad I can’t see any nodes in Buffalo (60 miles) from here 😦

[bronze wren]

Niagara makes me think elevation changes might be a big issue to overcome without something across the lake routing it first.

[midnight mural]

Even airplanes aren’t connecting us….but that could be true. Maybe if the CN tower gets a node, it would work, but that’s not as high as a airplane

[jaunty harness]

I thought they got a CN tower node up recently (like, last few weeks)

[inner helm]

If you put back in a smaller battery you would have room for a node

[glossy pine]

True!!

[proven grove]

one thing to be mindful of, depending on what node youre going to use, the output of the bank is going to be 5V, the node, unless going to the USB port, will likely take 3.3-3.7V. I have about 50 AMS1117's for this use case specifically, although they're not the most effecient buck's, they get it done and they're tiny/really easy to implement.

[glossy pine]

Thank you for your thoughtful advice, very helpful

[twin root]

But remember last year! We couldn't get a message 5 miles out. Now it's almost there.... Just a few more well placed nodes 🙂

[south stone]

Just setup a new meshtastic node, should I increase my hop count from 3?

[twin root]

Nope 🙂

You might want to change to core_portnums_only for your rebroadcast settings to save urself some channel util

That and ignoring MQTT and your g2g 🙂

Whats your general location?

[south stone]

In NJ, across from staten island

[twin root]

Nice you should have some nodes around you. Depending on how close you are to the water, and what equipment you're using you might be able to hit Manhattan directly

[south stone]

im using a hardwired HAT with an RPI if that makes any diff

[twin root]

Nope makes no difference

All the hardware is the same bandwidth no matter what

[south stone]

cool

[daring moth]

Read this webpage for up to date recommendations: https://meshny.github.io/

[south stone]

yep yep using the 3 default hops, client mode, and just changed rebroadcast to core_portnums_only

[south stone]

Is this related to enabling mqtt uplink?

[jaunty harness]

they're independent as I understand... the uplink/downlink is for bridging the messaging channel via mqtt, the ignore mqtt setting (under lora IIRC) ignores packets from others that passed through mqtt

[daring moth]

Received in Briarwood, NY:

[south stone]

got it

[jaunty harness]

sweet, and welcome to the mesh and discord!!

[midnight mural]

Adding core port bums to my list of topics to learn about.

For such a “basic” mesh network, there sure is a lot going on.

[jaunty harness]

for sure, and there's def some decisions made to simplify/streamline for new people - turn on node, connect to node with an app, 🍕

[normal osprey]

I see me spamming the website link is reaching people!

[daring moth]

How many times have you spammed it today? I only received it once.

[rare sparrow]

Welcome to the mesh!!!

[normal osprey]

Just once today. But I randomly send it out here and there.

[south stone]

I also received this lol

[daring moth]

Same:

[whole basalt]

Hi all. I am looking to power a TTGO LoRa32 V2 board with a solar panel. What solar voltage regulator board do you suggest?

[daring moth]

Have you seen the Meshtastic webpage of that node?

[daring moth]

I wouldn't recommend using solar with any node that makes use of the ESP32 family of MCUs.

[whole basalt]

OOPS- wrong description - T3 board v1.6.1

[daring moth]

My other recommendation is still applicable: #1202833898376138752 message

[whole basalt]

OK - but I have no choice - I am using it for Tinygs at 433Mzh. It works fine with battery, but was hoping to go solar.

[jaunty harness]

The Soshine 6W panel is pretty reliable and usually recommended, has builtin regulator so you can just attach to it's USB output

[whole basalt]

That sounds like what I was looking for. Any link to it?

[jaunty harness]

$13 on amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B099RSLNZ4

[whole basalt]

Thanks

[glossy pine]

Great rec thank you

[twin root]

There is def a lot of depth to the tech!

[jaunty harness]

looks like Friday I'll be back down in Industry City and should have the client repeater up there finally (Ikoka Nano v3)

[abstract iron]

oh noes don't make us eat all the good food there and mesh

(little worried about the thick concrete tho?)

[abstract iron]

anyone licensed want to try a 433? figure we start small and be x known distance and go from there

[jaunty harness]

yeah we'll see how it goes, but last time i was down there saw nothing on 36th

[midnight mural]

oh for sure! None of this is lost on me, there are things going on and it, like most things, is kind of neat once you get into it

[midnight mural]

I fully support spamming of our github.io url

https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/device/#rebroadcast-mode

[normal osprey]

core portnums only!!! (i really like this concept)

[midnight mural]

what a great thing to update using the admin key, update over LoRa, not BT 🙂

[rare sparrow]

is traceroute part of the core portnums?

[normal osprey]

Not sure if traceroute counts as rebroadcast but that’s a good question

[rare sparrow]

yes it's included!

tested with my two nodes

[jaunty harness]

haha yeah I've been on core port #s and still seeing traceroutes - i think they're just a special message?

[twin root]

The routing port is part of core portnums yes

[jaunty harness]

huh interesting... it's #70 but core is #0-63 🤔

Also: we should do stickers, Austin is doing holographic ones now!

they used the xiao nrf+esp32 wiokit i did the firmware variant for in their drones so was given an honorary one

[abstract iron]

correct I had nothing except that a031 (?) node marked near Mama Tried but not actually there from what I could tell

and then I didn't have time to wander out closer to the water but i bet you can shoot right over to NJ

[glass marsh]

3 hops they said 🙂

interesting route

atleast we have good propagation east to west across the city 🙂

[rare sparrow]

oh crap it fell

too heavy

[glass marsh]

all east west

[rare sparrow]

and broke my antenna cable 😭

[glass marsh]

dang

[rare sparrow]

glad i bought 2

[brazen spear]

How did you make this visual?

[glass marsh]

thats meshsense

[abstract iron]

is Gobo Solar supposed to be on routerclient

[rare sparrow]

okay back online

phew

[fervent nebula]

I can see a few ROUTER_CLIENT nodes:

• oppoo30 (opo) !1c15bd7c
• Gobo Solar Node 001 (GBS1) !8787d944
• Louis Meshtastic NJ (LWOM) !1c499060
• Brooklyn Solar Node (BSN) !0fd0bf5c
• Harlem Relay (932c) !335d932c

[jaunty harness]

harlem relay and gobo have been router_client for >6months, brooklyn solar and opo went up in January within* 2 days of each other

[normal osprey]

I’m glad we have some mesh historians in here because I haven’t been keeping track! 🙏🏻

[jaunty harness]

heh more like been watching interference/collisions on my end go way up since Jan, there's also at least one if not two hidden REPEATERs covering Williamsburg extra complicating things

[fervent nebula]

I switched over to the 1.1.0-beta.5 version of MeshSense and disabled all traceroute functionality. I'm liking the new Channel Utilization visibility on node display.

[jaunty harness]

yeah, though its kinda scary when you look at someone like FU-R-2 which is constantly red >25%

[fervent nebula]

I've been seeing constant spiking on SST, it keeps bouncing from 19% to 27-31%

I'm itching to set up some historical recording on this data, pretty graphs make the happy brain chemicals.

[jaunty harness]

from the ios app you can export telemetry which should have channel/airtime util along with battery, would be surprised if there wasn't similar in android

hrmmm, I could swear w2asm shared linked to his jupyter notebook that parses the log into nice pie chart by packet type

ahhhh found it

[abstract iron]

hmmmmmm don't think I've seen telemetry export in android. would love to see that tho

[south stone]

My bad rx number is pretty high, im using the E22 module on meshadv pi hat with an alfa 915 antenna. Its in my attic, maybe if I move outside I could get better signals? MSL altitude is currently 13m (43ft)

[fervent nebula]

At 11:02AM I got a position packet from node !b03da78 6 hops away, Location looks to be near Pohatcong Mountain, all the way on the other side of NJ. Do you think that was actually legit or just failGPS?

[jaunty harness]

def possible, there's some folks in N PA that run 7 hops and occassionally propagates down here

[hushed quest]

Newbie here. I'm near the Harlem Relay node which has a router_client role. Will that mean all of my messages are prioritized to hop through the Harlem Relay node even if that isn't an optimal path? All of my trace routes (when they work) go through that node but return to me via a shorter path.

[jaunty harness]

hello, welcome to the mesh and discord! that does sound possible, the way meshtastic's flood routing works is HARLEM_RELAY while it may not be the furthest away (which has priority to rebroadcast in order to help propagation) by using an "infra" role like ROUTER or ROUTER_CLIENT it preempts clients (including the furthest) from rebroadcasting your packet(s), thus it will repeat first for TX but RX is totally different pathing

the ffff is one of two things, more likely another infra role, specifically REPEATER which doesn't show up in the node list, and/or an older firmware that can't properly handle the packets from newer firmware - both of which lead to a node named ffff / 0xffffffff somewhere in the path

[hushed quest]

Thanks! I was wondering what ffff meant. Is it possible at the moment to set my node to ignore the Harlem_Relay node to prevent it from preempting the furthest client node(s)?

[jaunty harness]

well, you can ignore it on your device but that just prevents you from hearing what it relays - it will still hear you and retransmit and is... unfortunately a node we haven't been able to contact the owner about switching role/updating firmware. they sent a message like 2-3 months ago "oh hey, this still works" and that's about all we know 😔

[cerulean thorn]

oh cool i never understood FFFF either

figured it was a bug

bc i'd get like 3 or 4 in a row at times

[hushed quest]

I see...I sent a DM asking them to change the role and linking https://meshny.github.io/

[maiden thistle]

Are we recommending Rebroadcast Mode to Core Portnums Only?

[jaunty harness]

may have some funkiness setting it on iOS, when I was trying after hitting "SAVE" and then when i'd go back it would show a "blank" selection, doing it from CLI worked first time 🤷

[normal osprey]

This kept happening to me on my faketec via iOS also.

Precise location was also not working on some of my nodes (despite showing it’s enabled on iOS). Web client showed 23km accuracy and then setting it via web client worked.

[rare sparrow]

i know what happened...

Core Portnums Only is #5

but the option on the iOS is setting your device to #4

from CLI

NONE: Config.DeviceConfig._RebroadcastMode.ValueType  # 4
"""
Only permitted for SENSOR, TRACKER and TAK_TRACKER roles, this will inhibit all rebroadcasts, not unlike CLIENT_MUTE role.
"""
CORE_PORTNUMS_ONLY: Config.DeviceConfig._RebroadcastMode.ValueType  # 5
"""
Ignores packets from non-standard portnums such as: TAK, RangeTest, PaxCounter, etc.
Only rebroadcasts packets with standard portnums: NodeInfo, Text, Position, Telemetry, and Routing.
"""

but on the ios app:

case all = 0
case allSkipDecoding = 1
case localOnly = 2
case knownOnly = 3
case corePortnums = 4

we will need to change them to

case none = 4
case corePortnums = 5

and will fix the issue

[normal osprey]

good sleuthing. sounds like a github bug should be filed. so there’s currently no way to set it in iOS?

[rare sparrow]

nope

it will tries to set your device to none

which is a sensor, tracker only setting

[cerulean thorn]

android

[normal osprey]

Yeah, I noticed my node would reboot and be back on the previous setting so this makes sense.

[cerulean thorn]

changed

not that it will do much here, its not that busy

[normal osprey]

I’m cooked

[cerulean thorn]

wow your roasted

could be worse

[glossy pine]

Doin the lords work up there for the community

[cerulean thorn]

Yeah wish I was melting radios

[jaunty harness]

oh hah wild - good detective work!!

[jaunty harness]

I had #s like that on my old T-Beam until I swapped it for RAK and confirmed... the T-Beam radio was fried

have you tried swapping a diff node onto same antenna/position and see if it's also as high?

[cerulean thorn]

gonna bring a 1W node out with me in a bit

compiling firmware for it

[normal osprey]

i’ll try that

[normal osprey]

how many nodes do you typically see “online”? at 91 rn

[jaunty harness]

no idea, after i caught Meshsense running a traceroute from window -> desk node last night even with TR's disabled I haven't opened it since

also waiting on meshtasticd 2.6.7 so i2c/sensor support in linux native at which point i'll enable the web ui

[fervent nebula]

I think they fixed that in the beta feed. I haven't seen a single traceroute all day other than the one I ran manually.

[fervent nebula]

SST is at 86 "active" right now, 168 total. cleared my node list this morning at 8am.

[jaunty harness]

I'm on beta.5 which is latest I get by spamming the update button, def wouldn't have suspected it until RCGV mentioned it still runs them and then I saw it on the desk node's logs last night

[glass marsh]

one of the cool things about it is you can have it running on one PC thats connected to the radio via BT and then you can connect to that PC via http from any other on your network

[jaunty harness]

there's a lot of cool things it can do, intentionally ignoring user configuration options and continuing to send out traceroutes and deminish the mesh overshadows any utility it can offer

[glass marsh]

that is strange... i havent seen it do that myself

[jaunty harness]

yeah i was dubious until I saw it myself, the devs just aren't in a high density mesh so they implement things that don't actually work in realworld until people point it out - honestly surprised they don't default to submitting to their mesh map

[fervent nebula]

Just confirmed in the code , if automaticTraceroutes is false it doesn't send them unless you hit the button in the UI. The autorefresh on hop change is a stupid idea imo... but the toggle to disable them is working as expected for me.

[jaunty harness]

yeah i haven't had the toggle on for months, and yet there it was, trace from window (which meshsense is connected to by IP) to the desk node

[rare sparrow]

okie pull request submitted

should be good in the next update

[jaunty harness]

Awesome!!

[abstract iron]

can we just give you a node for SF MF LF and we pick based on your location and util heh

[normal osprey]

i have just enough windows for that! 😂

[abstract iron]

heh heh

[jaunty harness]

has anyone seen the ieee spectrum bbs node yet?

[midnight mural]

Have been creeping in other discords as I travel….SoCal looks to be testing MediumSlow37

Toronto still LF20

[midnight mural]

CN Tower node is no more 😦

[twin root]

ffffff is the default broadcast and also a placeholder for a malformed packet

I think it is a bug in latest firmware that is causing it to be displayed in traceroutes

[cerulean thorn]

Yeah I assumed it was broadcast

[twin root]

yeah a node id cannot be ffffffff

it is a destination ID

so i am 80% sure this is a fw bug

[exotic merlin]

Is GrandSt your node?

[normal osprey]

@twin root got your DM at Domino Park

[twin root]

^ thanks man sorry just put in a new antenna

wanted to take advantage of next hop routing and see if im getting better rssi to u

[normal osprey]

all good, feel free to hit my node anytime for testing

[twin root]

got your acks as well

[normal osprey]

i need to update this node to 2.6.x. it’s still on 2.5.19

[rare sparrow]

@brazen spear 's node

[twin root]

IDK if something of this high gain is a good idea but i guess well see

im afraid to move the antenna up past the megal pole because of wind, the pole is not attached to the roof, just the AC unit

the old antenna setup has been up there for 14 months so I think it should be fine

[twin root]

yeaaahh it will run a trace even if you have it disabled whenever it detects a "routing change" aka whenever you go from 1 hop to 2 on a node, so that could be a lot with a mesh like ours. The devs have requested some changes, IDK if they implemented them yet

[jaunty harness]

yeah I had no idea it was still sending them until RCGV said something yesterday and then saw one last night so it's back on the shitlist

[exotic merlin]

Looks like I picked up that new ATAK flood.

Also, someone is experimenting with some cool new unregisterd portnum 80 thing!

Looks like it's from MEAT (Old Laurel Mockingbird). Just two packets.

[twin root]

I wonder if I crafted a traceroute to !ffffff if every single node on the mesh would reply lol

ill try it in the middle of the night

[frail grotto]

That atak is prob me again i loaded it up for the first time yesterday

[exotic merlin]

The hop counts are really impressive. I'm sure many of those zeros on the periphery are incorrect locations but it's still impressive how many directs there are (I'm in Fort Greene in the center of the map)

I hope this guy way out in the bread basket got an ack back.

[twin root]

omg nero sent a message someone respond to him so he can ignore the response

[exotic merlin]

These far off ones can't be real

[twin root]

Yeah I got that one, I looked at the location history and hit em again in manhattan so must be a commuter that turned their location back on

[frail grotto]

we had that with the one from texas a few weeks back

[exotic merlin]

BRRN your weather station looks to be getting some super direct sunlight every morning making it look way hotter than it is.

[normal osprey]

Maybe they’re gonna join?

[exotic merlin]

Packets per day is going up! 📈

Alright, here's packets/minute for each original hop limit on each packet I see from before and after the waypoint push

The mean came down a lil' bit!

[rare sparrow]

woo hoo

[midnight mural]

I feel like we keep getting little improvements over time. Firmware, education and communication seem to be the keys to improvement. Obviously we are all testing in production and I am all here for it HAHAHA!

Anyway, I'm excited by the maps @exotic merlin posted to see what LF20 is like this weekend, seems like this week have some new heads and some old heads updating some things.

[midnight mural]

Who has opinions on 18650 batteries? Models and sourcing.

To power a WisBlock to be specific

[jaunty harness]

buy from a reputable place like imrbatteries.com not just random 9000mAh $3 bezosmart special (which is more likely 900mAh on it's best day)

i have some used but still usable spares, can give you some with the meshstick

[midnight mural]

I figure no go on Amazon, ebay, aliexp. I saw Rokland had a few and was starting to look for options.

[jaunty harness]

no node left behind... this lil soldier is ready to go back into action

buddy mulched it pretty good but salvageable

[abstract iron]

hahah bezosmart

[maiden thistle]

https://www.bike.nyc/events/td-five-boro-bike-tour

[midnight mural]

I have this image of @abstract iron in a giant inflatable Godzilla costume, on a bike, with nodes, biking around like a crazy person. 🙃

Really like what Canada has going on, I can’t wait to sit in front of a monitor and digest all of this:

https://meshview.mt.gt/map
https://dash.mt.gt/ (guest/guest)
http://wiki.mt.gt

https://meshview.mt.gt/nodegraph/LongFast

[abstract iron]

Hhahahaa I'm not doing 5boro but it's fun

id put a node on a pole or something yea

[rare sparrow]

I should do it next year

[abstract iron]

it's pretty fun just try to get to the front or you gotta wait a lot

[rare sparrow]

This is the only time you can ride bicycle on Verrazzano

[abstract iron]

but you can't replace biking the Verrazano

ha jinx

also under the FDR is good

if that's still part of the rote

route

[rare sparrow]

All fun and stuff

[brazen spear]

So interested to see the analytics difference when I update the "repeaters" and ignore the tak node. I should have time for it this weekend.

[fervent nebula]

I actually just set up the same dashboard last night. Looking into meshview now.

[rare sparrow]

Noice!

[abstract iron]

wow

[rare sparrow]

We should register Meshtastic.nyc domain 😂

(Don’t sue us Meshtastic LLC🙃)

Or nyme.sh

[daring moth]

Or metromesh.nyc.

[fervent nebula]

https://nyme.sh done

I'm headed out to a wedding, but happy to set up more hosts and junk later.

[rare sparrow]

Now we can setup all the subdomains 🙌

maps.nymesh.sh etc

[exotic merlin]

Here's a better view of just how much ATAK floods the mesh. That big vertical spike is it becoming more or less 100% of traffic.

Feels like core portnums only is more or less required

Wait, I was confused! That first big blip was ATAK around May 1. The one closer to May 2nd is TEXT_MESSAGE_APP. Weird!

[tough acorn]

ROKLAND has got 21700's (bigger than 18650) that are chargeable down to -20 C (-4F), not bad for an outdoor node....

[jaunty harness]

welp indoors IndustryCity cc42 is only seeing Goodest Doggo so far

[frail grotto]

I had access to the roof of industry city building 7 a few months ago wish I knew about this then

[jaunty harness]

I'm looking at the tower structure on top of building ... idk, across 36th from building 2, and I want a node up there

[rare sparrow]

We need a node up there

[jaunty harness]

YESSSSS

[frail grotto]

Nyu has space in 7 I'll see what I can do

[jaunty harness]

awesome! it's def strugglin' inside building 2, is RXing better but not getting acks on TX (cause is CLIENT_MUTE)

[midnight mural]

I like high things 🙃

[jaunty harness]

where did the github page go / what's up with nyme.sh?

[abstract iron]

I wonder if a guerilla node west of IC would also help

[fervent nebula]

I was forwarding nyme.sh to the meshny GitHub page, but it looks like someone changed it to expect to be a direct domain. I just updated the DNS on nyme.sh, we'll see if that helps fix it.

[jaunty harness]

ahhhh k! yeah gh page is back up I just wasn't sure which was supposed to be forwarding to what cause github sent me to nyme.sh which wasn't responding at the time

[midnight mural]

I was wondering what happened

[rare sparrow]

oops that's me

forgot to tell @fervent nebula

probably needs a bit of time to sync the DNS record

[midnight mural]

The url is shorter, I love it

Makes it fit after pizza delivery dude better as my long name

[rare sparrow]

if not FYI: https://docs.github.com/en/pages/configuring-a-custom-domain-for-your-github-pages-site

[midnight mural]

Gonna be blasting from 30000’ tomorrow

[fervent nebula]

Yeah, when I saw the cname file I updated the DNS. It looks like it's working from here.

[rare sparrow]

woo hoo look like it's done!

thx @fervent nebula

[fervent nebula]

Aight, going back to this wedding I'm at before my partner stabs me for being on the phone. Night y'all

[midnight mural]

I have two nodes I’m working on admin channel things. One connects, the other not.

If I’m pretty certain my key is set right, what else could be wrong?

(And they are both in front of me)

[normal osprey]

Same… flying EWR to SFO tomorrow with a couple T1000-Es

Will report back how well MediumSlow works for me around the Bay Area on Baymesh ™️

[abstract iron]

so pork what we working with there at IC?

[jaunty harness]

Ikoka Nano v3 which is a Xiao nRF52840 and 1W E22-900M30S

if it was outside it should be able to shoot across the water to NJ and up 36th but right now too much concrete/steel even on 4th flr

know someone with a spot also in building 2 but 5th flr and closer to 2nd which may/may not be better (probably better) but not sure I'll be able to try moving it there so thinking get an outdoor build going and magnets to the metal window frame

also apparently my coworkers partner has a couple of T1Es (or maybe one of the other T1000 variants but he instantly recognized the hw when he started asking me about what I was doing and I pulled it out

[abstract iron]

ha love we have a T1E emoji (|now)

[jaunty harness]

now we need one that combines the green heart and the t1e 😄

[midnight mural]

I do like my t1e, it just works better away from my body

[jaunty harness]

ahh yes, ass man is back!

https://tenor.com/bTwSq.gif

meshica simpson / 🦧 is also a silly one

someone's getting a custom device string

[twin root]

Their mesh is supposed to be awesome!

[glass marsh]

That would be me. Heading up to the cats for the weekend. Going to see if I can pick any nodes up there

[midnight mural]

I am going to be up in random NY mountains starting in June…..I cannot wait to, you know, PCT bear hang a node while out backpacking 😇

For science of course!

I reeeeeeeeeeeerally wanna know if I can be in the ADK and hit the cats from there. Like how fucking cool would that be? I’m sure it’s way too far, but I’m curious though what the range would be

I really think it would be cool if the DEC had the fire towers lit up, and all the weather deets on a very lite webpage that people can get on their phones in the parks

And then, you know, obviously there would be mesh connectivity 😎

Bots can blast weather alerts and shit. Lots of possibilities for fun

The t1e’s would so shine in this scenario

[abstract iron]

morning all gonna have some nodes in more south Williamsburg today than usual

hope to mesh w the donk

[midnight mural]

Gonna be pizza party packet blasting shortly en route home

I’m just gonna do:

[abstract iron]

hoping to get you if I can get the donk outside

[midnight mural]

Join us: https://nyme.sh

[glossy pine]

Badonkadonk

[fervent nebula]

for typo friendliness I also grabbed nycme.sh and pointed it at the same things as nyme.sh

[abstract iron]

pizza are you 3019

my nodedb needs >80

[midnight mural]

PDD is 3019, CJ is af5e

[abstract iron]

I got you pizza

[brazen rivet]

Hi all!

[wary cave]

Hi from Stamford!

[amber edge]

Are these nodes going up for good? Or just today

I'm in a somewhat dead pocket around the Classon/bedstuy G and would love to have some closer access

[knotty jacinth]

Maybe something i should consider lol

[jaunty harness]

the lte modem is the only thing on the babelfox that actually works 😄

i think i sorted out the pins, again, no more traces to cut but some jumper wire to move and then back to the mental gymnastics of hardware gpio -> portduino pin #s

[knotty jacinth]

Do you know which modem they used?

[jaunty harness]

sure do, SIM7022

here's the repo with (non-working lora radio) schematics and how it's wired up to a luckfox

[proven grove]

Pork and I were the only ones that tried to build it, not even fire tried to build it themselves lol

LTE HATs are so flipping expensive. If it had Lora, LTE and GPS, that'd be amazing and all my hopes and dreams would be fulfilled.

An E80 with an E21 would be icing on the cake lol

[jaunty harness]

gonna take a good amount of Ws, even without the workign radio (but power going to e21 and sim7022) it's ~18W off my bench supply (feeding 9V ~2A)

i haven't checked the datasheets to determine which is using all that extra juice

[proven grove]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[cerulean thorn]

Just came

It's slick

[glossy pine]

Does it show the text when you type it?

[cerulean thorn]

Don't know haven't flashed it yet

[glossy pine]

nobody’s made firmware for it yet last I checked

[cerulean thorn]

Shouldn't be hard to port something quickly

Sure easy enough to edit an existing variant

[glossy pine]

Hell yeah let us know if it works

Looks rad

[cerulean thorn]

Hopefully i can try to get something on it tonight

[mossy basin]

I got this in Rochester NY this morning

[jaunty harness]

I think there's possibly someone(s) working in private branch but being kept quietish to avoid MUI shitshow (could also be wrong)

also I have moved from LR11x0 init result -707 to LR11x0 init result -705 ... i think i may just get this cursed babelfox to work yet

[daring moth]

How many hops away was the user that sent it?

[mossy basin]

looks like 2

[trim lava]

anyone from WNY here?

[daring moth]

Search for NY in #1196916552725958706, and ask in the thread most applicable to your location.

[inner helm]

Would be cool to have emergency services text relays in nature areas without cell coverage

Put the relay in an area with coverage and build a mesh by putting nodes on peaks.

[abstract iron]

just today

[daring moth]

Not here, but you should ask in #1214181209597280357, #1292647069256913031, #1338551933924806677, and/or #1366170070941831259.

[daring moth]

If you want to connect with people more local, I'd recommend saying hi in #1220145309028581416.

[abstract iron]

can you see them? ZLLP and ZLL1

[jaunty harness]

ZLLA 1 25mins ago, 2 hops, P 15mins ago 4 hops

[abstract iron]

If ZLLP is doing something useful I could try to leave one here but that wasn't the original plan.

pork??? I'm direct to you eith t1e hahah

[jaunty harness]

OH HAH, yeah I was just out running an errand with the T1000E but gps prob still thinks its in IC - those last seens were from window femtfox

[abstract iron]

oh now it's t1e donk you and reverse

on the TR

pork I'm over east of you off grand

[jaunty harness]

huh my t1e is now off

AHHH yeah that would explain the directs

[thin rivet]

!b03c93b4

Is this my id?

If so yall can try to message me

Like if someone wants to message me do I give them this?

[twin root]

If someone wants to messag you, and you have been in range of them, you will show up on their nodes list. Nodes exchange "contact info" automatically

[proven grove]

For how close Stamford is to Westchester, they're probably better off in here, because the other CT channel is a lot of people from northern CT. We have people in Jersey in here too, and besides, CT is still part of the tristate area.

[jaunty harness]

yeah, we already have people from outside tristate area chilling - could be they're trying to connect to both NYC and N CT groups

[fervent nebula]

With how much I'm traveling, I'm in the Phila, NYC and Long Island threads in here. Plus I've got a node near Trenton, NJ, but there's no mesh there (as far as I've seen)

[old rock]

Hello

[fervent nebula]

These also exist now:
https://dash.nyme.sh u: guest p: guest
https://meshinfo.nyme.sh
I tried setting up https://meshview.nyme.sh but it doesn't appear to be pulling data from the mqtt server (will be troubleshooting that later tonight).

[jaunty harness]

i'd be mindful of using NYCMesh as that's a separate group that does WiFi meshing throughout the city, and while there's someone in here that's also part of their group, and gotten us some nodes up at some of their awesome locations, it's probably better to not use their exact name

[fervent nebula]

More than happy to cede the name or make a disambiguation page that references both, I just noticed it wasn't registered and after typoing the name myself twice I decided to just grab it.

[midnight mural]

oh this is fantastic, great work!

Someone needs to make an update to the github page with all of the fresh info this week....core_port_nums, the grafana dashboard

[updates links in heimdall link manager]

[normal osprey]

That’s valid. I got the sense that our name nyme.sh was based on Bayme.sh, similar naming convention.

[fervent nebula]

I figured out the meshview problem, data is flowing now.

[midnight mural]

https://github.com/markbirss/MESHSTICK

"Build and run native-tft (MUI) - 2.6.x"

git clone https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware
cd firmware/
git submodule update --init --recursive --remote;
pio run -e native-tft
.pio/build/native-tft/program

pio run -e native-tft

fails, I assume because I do not have an external display?

[jaunty harness]

you don't need any of that, native-tft is the default target for meshtasticd as of few days ago, just need to have that installed, remove any existing .yaml in /etc/meshtasticd/config.d/ directory then run cp /etc/meshtasticd/available.d/lora-meshstick-1262.yaml /etc/meshtasticd/conf.d/lora-meshstick-1262.yaml to copy the meshstick config, and sudo service meshtasticd restart to restart it with the config. you can also do sudo meshtasticd instead of service meshtasticd rest if you wanna see the actual output/confirm it's working

[midnight mural]

ok, let me give that a go

[jaunty harness]

if you have a screen attached you can readd the x11.yaml config to get that going but easiest for now is get meshtasticd talking to meshstick, then mess with that

[midnight mural]

no screen (other than the HDMI output)

aspi5-alpa meshtasticd[14862]: No 'config.yaml' found, running simulated.

that's what I get when I do a systemctl status meshtasticd

[jaunty harness]

interesting... sounds like there's no /etc/meshtasticd/config.yaml ?

[midnight mural]

I removed that file

"just need to have that installed, remove any existing .yaml in /etc/meshtasticd/config.d/ directory "

oh, reading comprehension

[jaunty harness]

OH you want that one, just /etc/meshtasticd/config.d/ you want empty before copying the lora-meshstick.yaml

HAH no I probably didn't explain it well, it's clear in my head 🙃

[midnight mural]

all good 🙂

but, figuring out the fast and easy way to find that file

[jaunty harness]

https://gist.github.com/porkcube/f86a201aa60a05fbbb796be7d333981d should work

/etc/meshtasticd/config.yaml is a generic config and then has ConfigDirectory /etc/meshtasticd/config.d/*.yaml so it also loads up any file from there

[midnight mural]

def closer....I see:

CH341 Product MESHSTICK PWRD BY PIZZA

LOVE IT

[jaunty harness]

HAHA yeah I customized that string for ya, that should be working though if it's seeing the usb device

[midnight mural]

I'm kinda stuck

USB support via the CH341 was added in Meshtastic 2.5.18

I see this in the meshtasticd docs....but connecting via serial....just pinwheels

figure there is something I need to do in the config??

[jaunty harness]

oh you're not connecting via serial to an external device, you're connecting to meshtasticd over tcp so try meshtastic -t instead of just meshtastic

[midnight mural]

meshtastic -t

bash: meshtastic: command not foun

[jaunty harness]

ahh, then you need this

[midnight mural]

clearly I am confused

(sorry for blasting the chat people)

[jaunty harness]

meshtastic is the python cli tool for interacting with a node, meshtasticd is the linux service that replaces the microcontroller/cpu part of a node with magic to run the node

meshtastic is basically the cli version of iOS/Android app

other thing you can try is editing /etc/meshtasticd/config.yaml and at the bottom there's a Webserver section, uncomment (e.g. remove the # at the start of) the 4 lines there, then restart meshtasticd and pull it up in a browser

[midnight mural]

"Connected to radio" 🍕

oh I did the webbrowser enable already 🙂

[jaunty harness]

HAH awesome, then yeah just pull up the webinterface as that should be working

[midnight mural]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

PPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIZZZZZZZZZZZZZZA PI PARTY

[jaunty harness]

🍕 🍕 🍕 🍕 🍕

[midnight mural]

thank you for everything today!

[jaunty harness]

hells yeah, no problem - enjoy the meshstick, they're very cool little things (and yes, very in need of a proper case)

[midnight mural]

super cool! I will have to get some reps in using this, configuring it, etc.

it's going to be named: Technodrome
Yes, the base of the Foot Clan ROFL

[jaunty harness]

Haha I like that you still *havent used one of the turtles names for you naming motif

[midnight mural]

have to at this point keep it going

[jaunty harness]

I’ve always been partial to Krang, mostly cause #4 was the first issue I read as a kid and they fought him in that one

[midnight mural]

that is literally going to be whatever my home node will become 🙂

the "brains" of the operation LOL

[midnight mural]

OH! I’m specifically avoiding Leo, Mike, Ralph, Donnie and Splinter….I kinda wanted secondary characters!

Krang in the android was cool

[proven grove]

I'm on the island today, out in Patchogue right now, it's a mesh desert out here

[cerulean thorn]

Got the rosevelt island pizza party ping

[rare sparrow]

New update!

[proven grove]

I'm on the TestFlight build so... lol

[rare sparrow]

Even better

[maiden thistle]

Looks like your PR is included

[rare sparrow]

That’s fast

[karmic junco]

If anyone has any ideas what to do with them

[midnight mural]

not suitable pizza toppings

[proven grove]

I avoid lithium outside of flat packs for portables.

[brazen spear]

What's the amphour rating on those?

[daring moth]

Since the label says Lithium Battery rather than lithium-ion battery, are those lithium metal batteries? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_metal_battery

[karmic junco]

They as far as I can tell are 3.6v non rechsrgeble

[abstract iron]

should we just always produce any content anything public off of the mesh itself to disambiguate between the NYC Mesh (wifi and ubiquiti p2p) from NYC Meshtastic (LoRA)

then it helps both

[jaunty harness]

Not sure what’s best honestly, just good to avoid the confusion and def don’t wanna upset NYCMesh in anyway as they’re dope as hell AND generous to let us get Meshtastic nodes up at their locations

[rare sparrow]

meshtastic.nyc is still available 😂

(once again don't sue me Meshtastic LLC)

[lament wing]

https://tenor.com/view/copyright-infringement-creative-commons-copyleft-gif-5700791

[rare sparrow]

(proceed to run away

we either need a more distinguishable name

or just need to clearly mark it on both sites

but at the same time they have the name first

[maiden thistle]

How about tasticmesh.nyc? 🤦‍♂️

[rare sparrow]

mesh.tastic.nyc

oops lawsuit again

[jaunty harness]

tristateme.sh, metrome.sh, nycsurroundingareaandsometimesnorthernpaandctme.sh

i got porkcu.be - i'm totally down with the .sh 8p

[abstract iron]

don't we have enough people from NYC Mesh (as in, the wifi and p2p) that we can have them weigh in on naming collab?

[jaunty harness]

there's someone besides gardener ?

[abstract iron]

(idk?)

just an idea

oo t storm warning

[jaunty harness]

oh for sure, i just didn't know there was others 8p

[rare sparrow]

not a bad idea tbh

[jaunty harness]

https://y.yarn.co/482b2432-5bea-413d-9c78-545c6083ef33_text.gif

[midnight mural]

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1kdx4p1/stop_what_you_are_doing_right_now_and_get_a_kite/

[jaunty harness]

hrmm... the internet is leading me to believe you're basically looking at central or prospect park to fly one legally as has to be >5m from an airport

[midnight mural]

I saw one on Rosevelt Island the other day

[jaunty harness]

i have the perfect node for it, the DIY version of xiao nrf52840 + wioSX1262 radio which is like half the size of the kit, it's what Austin uses in their drones though they have an onboard usb-c to tap for power but I have some like 650mAh-ish 30x30xsomethingsmall lipos that'd keep the whole thing tiny and lightweight

it doesn't need insane runtime either, probably have some smaller pouches that'd work fine for a few hours

[daring moth]

https://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/k-12/airplane/kitesafe.html

[twin root]

@jaunty harness there's a website and app called b4ufly it tells u where and when, super easy

[abstract iron]

5 Boro Bike Tour today anyone in it?

[cerulean thorn]

I forget what I use but you can also request auth to fly in some places

Welp 65 dollar repair instead of 235 fly away. Heh. My drone decided to ignore my command and fly sideways into a tree. But I managed to knock it down

Anti collision screwed me

[cerulean thorn]

The premium replacement isn't offered I guess bc tariffs fucked em

[abstract iron]

been wondering about this. ship to Canada and road trip?

hasn't hit me yet but just ordered brake pads and was bracing for the 474838X cost because wah Taiwan or whatever

[glossy pine]

newyorkme.sh

[glossy pine]

Snapped the bottom bracket on my bike yesterday bc I’ve done thousands of miles the last two years, gotta sit out the tour today 😢

[midnight mural]

I am updating our GitHub page, but need to get my account straight from old shit. Anyway, if you have any suggestions as to what should go on there, let me know.

I have added a bit about core port bums and our new dashboard and was2sm hops.

[jaunty harness]

I collected gardener's pics of the rooftop installs that could be used as a banner/random banners

[midnight mural]

Oh cool, I’ll have to learn about that. Matkuo language and the git hub pages aren’t something I know a lot about; but want to

[jaunty harness]

yeah i haven't messed with gh pages much but don't think you can do random images easily with straight markdown. php or python would be trivial, typescript probably requires at minimum 100 modules of which at least 5 are totally abandoned and full of security issues

[rare sparrow]

I can switch to Hugo for compiler if we want

Tiny bit more flexible

We are now using Jekyll

I’ll say focus on the content first

I can help with whatever technical

[midnight mural]

I’m working on getting laundry going, then I can sit in front of my computer and watch the Miami F1 Sprint Race and play radio 🍕

No spoilers F1 fans 🙂

[abstract iron]

who's running this? interesting telemetry

also IAQ 130 kinda sucks? this thing next to a stove or something

[rare sparrow]

🌲💨 ?

[abstract iron]

Pizza your nodes up in midtown right now?

[jaunty harness]

that's feeb's, IAQ 130 is def no beunos

one of the few things damned near every government in the world actually agree on is the AQI 1-500 scale. 50-100 is pretty nominal for NYC, some days we're even below 50 but >100 is usually something funky (and a stove is TVOCs/Hydrocarbons anyway)

[glossy pine]

I miss the red sky days, those were fun

[jaunty harness]

times square hellscape

[midnight mural]

you bet

[abstract iron]

pinging from GP / qns edge

[midnight mural]

soooo I think I just did my first pull request, ever 🙂

[abstract iron]

you guys ever go to the Monitor (as in park) above the Greenpoint poop plant

pretty nice and weird

https://maps.app.goo.gl/TvZ5AcLRBHxWCLBu8

guessed on the name prior to searching

feels like a solar node could hide in plain sight around here

[glossy pine]

Yeah it’s a nice little walk tucked into a weird elongated space

[inner helm]

Seeing some weird activity driving around northern Westchester. Connected four hops away to someone in lower Manhattan.

But no one else

[daring moth]

I only have one direct connection in my NodeDB here in Great Neck, NY, but nearly 60 nodes "online".

[daring moth]

However, many nodes show up as Hops Away: ?, so there's likely a node running very old firmware nearby.

[karmic junco]

That might be me.

As far as I know I'm still the only one on the north shore

[daring moth]

Then update your firmware! What are your NodeIDs?

[karmic junco]

Lost track. Lol

I don't know how long ago it was but I literally asked if long term updates would be an issue and someone said "nah it will be backwards compatible"

Some are like hidden away in areas I can't get to easily lol

Granted that was like 2+ years ago

At least this time I opened the box. I still have a box of rak not opened

[daring moth]

Can you try this? https://meshtastic.org/docs/getting-started/flashing-firmware/nrf52/ota/

[karmic junco]

And a box from Keith with the lto battery boards. When he fired released them.

They aren't nrf52

I will get to it... At some point. Lol

Have to fix my lawn mower too

[daring moth]

Are they in secret hiding spots?

[karmic junco]

Not secret but... Just difficult to get to some of the areas

[daring moth]

Can I help?

[karmic junco]

I think it would be a great help if I can see your node

But for whatever reason great neck might as well be secaucus

[abstract iron]

I can sometimes see this node direct, also. Must have a good location

what are these "updated" messages? is it automatic on firmware remote update?

[midnight mural]

I was hoping it was people letting the bless know they updated old fw

But I have no idea

LilyBX just updated 😎

[brazen spear]

Yeah I'm updating these remotely and just sending out a message to make sure they work

Anyone see a message from Prospect a031?

[maiden thistle]

A031 updated

[abstract iron]

hah no but where is a031 located? always wondered

[jaunty harness]

is it not broadcasting position?

[fervent nebula]

SST heard a031.

[abstract iron]

loc seemed centered around 30ish street and 3rd Ave back when I was around S Slope a lot. but didn't seem to actually increase signal if I got near that location. ??

[whole basalt]

a031 from Park ack

[brazen spear]

Awesome. It's in Borough Park around fort Hamilton and 47th st. For some reason I don't receive it from Bushwick. Glad it's alive and kicking.

[maiden thistle]

I pass by a031 everyday at work but it hasn’t appeared in my node list for a while. I forgot that node exists until today when it said ‘updated’

[misty gorge]

one of my nodes is still on 2.17 or something like that.. pretty old. Still works okay.. haha.

[jaunty harness]

it's why you always show unknown hops, silly 0xffffffff

[misty gorge]

I'm waiting on my enviorment sensor for AMR2's replacement.

I have everything else.

[jaunty harness]

oooooo nice!

[south stone]

hmm, so im realizing im not getting many messages on my node

[misty gorge]

I'm still surprised that node is working.

[misty gorge]

do you see other nodes? try a trace route. Where are you located?

I don't have you on my list.

[jaunty harness]

rain doesn't exactly help propagation, is it particularly bad today/tonight or just in general?

[jaunty harness]

last seen yesterday for me but my window node is acting up

[misty gorge]

wow thats a lot of bad packets.

[south stone]

mine is permanently in my attic

[south stone]

yea... had a hunch thats the issue

[rare sparrow]

Ur 3 hops away from me

[south stone]

MSL is only 13m

lol

not great I guess

[misty gorge]

If your first hop is your gateway to everyone else and your connection to it is spotty.. its gonna be tough.

[south stone]

I recall reading somewhere the e22-900m30s module had some issues with Rx. I am using the alfa 915 antenna

[jaunty harness]

yeah but that's kinda extreme situation where it's up on a tower near a lot of other HF gear, it does some auto-lowering of sensitivity but never resets back to normal without a power cycle, if that's the issue you're talking about

[south stone]

no HF gear here aside from general EMI from who knows where

[karmic junco]

If I wasn't falling asleep, I was going to setup the seeds standalone device

[misty gorge]

its only 11:40

sleep when you're dead.

[south stone]

yep

would a better antenna help in this case?

or is it just about altitude?

[misty gorge]

You

You're in jersey or something?

[south stone]

yep

[misty gorge]

If you canhit N1UGK, you can probably get across manhattan into queens.

these frequencies are generally line of sight. So imagine what your antenna sees. If it doesn't to the tops of roof far away, then you need height.

[south stone]

yea, makes sense

[misty gorge]

Or you need a node somewhere that is high enough to see your roof.

[south stone]

I would put the antenna outside, afaik the cable between the ant and the module should be kept short as possible

im using an rpi hat

I could run low loss coax, but not sure how that would affect signal levels

[misty gorge]

build a new solar node which you can mount outside.

set it and forget it.

[jaunty harness]

(for 2 years)

[misty gorge]

I feel like that was an attack!

😆

[south stone]

its prob better to find some high area and get a solar node there

[misty gorge]

As Pork illustrated.. you can be like me.. put a solar node on your woof.. and forget about it for 2 years and just use other units to talk and receive though it. haha

[south stone]

thats the funny part, the current node I have was supposed to be that

I already have an rpi in the atitic doin SDR stuff, thought I could just slap on a lora hat and call it a day

[misty gorge]

You probably need another node enough higher up. I have a second node which is on my frien'ds roof which is higher.. that's my actual real link to the outside world.

[south stone]

its not that bad though, most of my messages TX properly, just RX is the issue

[misty gorge]

Remote SDR?

[south stone]

adsb, ais, websdr

[misty gorge]

I just bought a old lenovo x270 and threw linux on it. Was gonna use it as a SDR machine.. agggh.. it saddens me that windows SDR apps work better than linux SDR GUI apps.

I may just plug that thing into a Pi.

[south stone]

for general radio listening, openwebrx+ isnt that great

but it does the job

[misty gorge]

so you just run it on the pi and connect to it via a web browser and control it?

[south stone]

for adsb its perfect, I have it hooked up to an LNA and can see planes 150+ miles away

[south stone]

yep

[misty gorge]

I may just do that.

[south stone]

the only thing is its not free roam, you have to setup profiles / presets

its not like SDR# or SDR++, enter in the freq and it tunes there

[misty gorge]

oh man.. thats not as fun.

so basically you gotta setup channels kinda.

[south stone]

yep

[misty gorge]

no "VFO" mode.

[south stone]

I believe you can also setup airspy server, but then you will need to run SDR# on a windows computer

with openwebrx+ I can use it on my phone

or anywhere with a web browser really

[misty gorge]

yeah, that's kinda cool.. I guess I could VPN into my network and access it. thats probably how I would run it.

but strange that you can transmit and not receive. what does your antenna setup look like now? just a little antenna attached to a SMA on the hat?

[south stone]

lol yep, TX is ok, RX sucks. didnt get any of these msgs

[south stone]

so the e22 module has a ipex/ufl connector. I have a ufl to N-type bulkhead pigtail. the alfa915 ant is connected to that

[misty gorge]

Oh right you said alpha

alfa.

both my roof nodes use the alfa

I can't comment if they are the best. I chose them cuz they were low profile and N connector.

the raks on my my nodes have the same setup.

ipex to pigtail to alfa

@south stone I actually just saw your test message at 11:47!

I just shot a ack out.

[south stone]

no dice

its prob altitude / line of sight issue

[misty gorge]

You'd think you wouldn't be able to send either.

[jaunty harness]

i had to reload the webui cause it stopped updating so lost messages but I saw Ray R1 3 mins ago!

i also cooked something up over the weekend, but I need to burn it in (and hopefully not up) on the bench for a bit

[misty gorge]

what is it?

[misty gorge]

niiice.. looks like AMR1

[jaunty harness]

2W E22-900M33S + 8k lipo

[misty gorge]

I don't know anything about that board.

is 2W meaning 2 watts?

[jaunty harness]

yeah, the E22 is part size I believe, then 900M ~ 915MHz and there's 30S which is 1W/30dB and 33S which is 2W/33dB

[misty gorge]

wonder how long it will run with the 8000k

[jaunty harness]

I did 23hrs off a 1100mAh that's not that anymore, but with a slightly different pcb

[misty gorge]

if you're running it at 2w tx.. that's not a lot of battery if shit gets busy?

23 is decent.. so 2 days maybe if no sun

I guess you can remotely turn down the power if needed?

[jaunty harness]

probably run it 1W but it's basically something more than 2-3days and i'd rather that thing self combusts outside the apt 😄

[misty gorge]

hahhaa

[jaunty harness]

yeah --set lora.txpower

[misty gorge]

yea 1W seems reasonable.

I considered going with some other board. but the two raks I've been using have been too good to me.

[jaunty harness]

I setup a 1W in Industry City on fri but position is poop unless you're on 36th

[misty gorge]

Oh great.. I can mesh next time I'm down there getting rice balls.

[karmic junco]

https://hamshackhotline.com/

Anyone do this?

[jaunty harness]

#1202833898376138752 message it wants to be up on that tower

[misty gorge]

What are you doing with that?

[karmic junco]

Got a box of em

[misty gorge]

I hope it wants a battery also.

[jaunty harness]

there's a 3k strapped on the back

[karmic junco]

Well I should say got a box of Cisco phones

[misty gorge]

The phones?

[karmic junco]

That may work with this service

[misty gorge]

Oh shit..

yea, I've seen it work.

I believe you can use them on Allstar also.

[south stone]

Isn’t that the limit for unlicensed?

[karmic junco]

This I did not know

[misty gorge]

I think the limit is 500mw...but I could be wrong.

[misty gorge]

yea, I'm 90% sure you can dial up an allstar node with them.

[karmic junco]

I thought it would be a nice backup comm deployment . But wanted to see how they are doing the back end

[misty gorge]

cuz the desktop VOIP software I use for allsar is old VIOP phone software.

[karmic junco]

Only because infrastructure is only as good as the provider

[misty gorge]

I haven't looked into it much cuz I didn't think I'd ever get a phone. but look into it.

hehe

[karmic junco]

I setup a few all star devices. But haven't touched them in a year

[karmic junco]

This can be fixed.

[misty gorge]

yeah.. I have a cloud node now and a home hotspot.

[misty gorge]

Damn, i don't have room for another weird radio device. my gf would kill me.

[karmic junco]

It's a Cisco IP phone... Unless she doesn't know what s phone looks like. Lol

[misty gorge]

"This is a phone... that is used to only talk ham radio people!!!??"

[karmic junco]

My wife doesn't know I have the box of phones or the box of batteries

[misty gorge]

she thought it was silly I was using a computer to talk to radio people already.

[karmic junco]

Granted she's used to seeing these boxes arrive anyhow. Lol

[misty gorge]

how many phones are we talking about?

[jaunty harness]

yeah 1W

[karmic junco]

Body count isn't important. 😭

It isn't that many like 6

[misty gorge]

https://community.allstarlink.org/t/questions-about-installing-and-using-voip-phone-with-allstar/17850

makes sense cuz Asterisks is a phone system.

Damn.. now I'm the one that wants to go to sleep. but @karmic junco is still up dreaming about ip phones.

[karmic junco]

Ya I fell asleep for a second and then saw some ham chatter going on...

Lol

[south stone]

1W in the US / 36db EIRP

[karmic junco]

But I wouldn't necessarily care if I ran my own asterisk

Would just have to host it

[misty gorge]

https://allstarlink.github.io/adv-topics/sip-phone/#

get reading

[karmic junco]

That is exactly how I will be asleep in 5 min

[misty gorge]

but yea.. looks like the phones will work to dial up your favorite allstar nodes.

well maybe it would need to be through your own node though.

I think the way it would work is you'd login to your own node from the phone.. then your can dial around to other nodes as your node. not your phone.

if that makes sense.

[karmic junco]

Ahh

I'll read up a little bit on it tomorrow. Gnight and thanks for the info. If your gf allows a phone .. you know who to reach

[misty gorge]

if it's anything like getting the sip app to work..

you just setup and account in the node for the ip phone.

[karmic junco]

The sip app I tried kinda sucks

[misty gorge]

yeah.. it sucks but it works.. setup is probably same for phone.

you'd pickup the reciever and it would probably login to a node where it has an account.

and you'd dial the * codes.

[karmic junco]

I did the all-star. Because it allowed me to phone home when. Camping

[misty gorge]

There was an allstar repeater but no cell service?

[karmic junco]

The Basecamp had marginal cellular signal, but once you moved about 500 ft it died.

[misty gorge]

that's cool that radio worked better than cell.

[karmic junco]

The way I was doing it was all-star through the pi through

[misty gorge]

oh?

[karmic junco]

And this was good enough hoisted on a 10 foot pole that I can get around for a mile or 2 depending and still touch it with a hy

Ht

[misty gorge]

haha.. that's crazy

so camp site had wifi or something.. but crappy cell service around and you used the pi as a way to get voice "calls" home?

[karmic junco]

Campsite had cell reception only in certain spots

Yep. Ht to pi/all-star to personal hotspot to another pi/all-star to another ht

[misty gorge]

now when you go back.. you can run the pi.. with a ethernet to the cisco phone..

you can pick up the handset and make a call.. haha

[karmic junco]

Haha. Yes. That is... Sorta the idea. Though id probably do something ironic like use the halow bridge

So I can park my car where there is signal and had a Cisco phone on the picnic table with a halow bridge for distance

[misty gorge]

hahhaa

Not sure if you heard.. but this guy is putting up internet satellites up everywhere.

[karmic junco]

The other thought was to have everything preconfigured like this already... And in a crazy real emergency , the glinet routers can bridge to someone's starlink

Instant setup without too much other setup

[misty gorge]

Who needs internet when you have ham radio.

[karmic junco]

Those message repeaters are worth their weight though

In an actual emergency.

You don't have to dedicate a specific human resources to repeat information over and over

[misty gorge]

yeah totally

The spain power outage prompted my gf to decide to carry the R1 again to and from work. hehe

[karmic junco]

Or if your are in need of help, you can just broadcast this every 10 min, or 30 min... Even if you passed ot

[karmic junco]

Was this from a few days ago?

[misty gorge]

yeah.

[karmic junco]

Oh Spain. I had one here a few days ago... Took out my security router. Had to reflaah it

These little 12v ups devices I got from aliexpeess worked very well though

Fits 6 18650 batteries

[misty gorge]

Oh wow.. they make UPS units that just take 18650s now!?

good enough for a tesla.. good enough for a UPS I guess.

[karmic junco]

It's A 12v dc

So it takes a 12vdc input and has a 5v,9v, 12v out

[misty gorge]

Like this?

https://www.amazon.com/TalentCell-Rechargeable-12000mAh-Multi-led-indicator/dp/B00ME3ZH7C

I have a few of these.

[karmic junco]

Very similar.. but the one I got used 18650 self shpplied