us - NYC metro

[abstract iron]

I gave up I had LOS on the wrong big WB tower

uptown with the donk is working tho

on LF

[cerulean thorn]

i think i have enough random shit to build a solar node hmm

Seems like esp32 ota updates require a stub and then you upload the real firmware?

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware-ota-wifi

Like tasmota I guess

I only went rpi in my home node so I could update

[jaunty harness]

yeah though ESP32 OTA was broken for a while and may not be fixed just yet

BT OTA updates to nRF works but takes ~6mins which is nice if you don't wanna take things down off masts but otherwise far slower that copy uf2 to device

[cerulean thorn]

Nrf doesn't do wifi tho right

[jaunty harness]

yeah bt only but there's an update from nordic that works with the (model)-ota.zip file in the releases

[cerulean thorn]

Yeah I won't be able to use the node without wifi

My house is a faraday cage

Good old aluminum siding

Let me see if I can get one of these nrf board working they were boot looping on me

[jaunty harness]

if they had <2.5.20 on them they could probably use the nuke+erase to purge the LFS, 2.6 will reset the existing protobuts but not the full LFS nuke

[cerulean thorn]

these have i dont know but it boot loops

lol

i binned them bc i didnt have time to mess with it

[jaunty harness]

ahhh they're awesome for solar because of the super low power usage, but def have unique quirks

[cerulean thorn]

well the pcb i used i think is messed up

[jaunty harness]

HAH well yeah, that's a prob

are you aware of the meshstick ? seems like something you'd enjoy playing with

[cerulean thorn]

oh thats cool

ive been building diy ones bc of the 1w and 2w modules

[jaunty harness]

yeah same, though I also built some meshsticks, there's also meshtoad which is usb spi but w/E22-900M-30S

[cerulean thorn]

love those E22s

i had a meshtastic node in my HPR rocket, but it blew up

[jaunty harness]

haha

[cerulean thorn]

4th launch before it blew up lol

motor defect :\

[jaunty harness]

oh nice, at least it got some use

[cerulean thorn]

lit the field on fire like a pro

[abstract iron]

hahaah wait what is that besides the obvious

what was the intended altitude?

[cerulean thorn]

that one was probably 4000 feet

i had a big ass motor in it

it was a yolo launch

ceiling for that field is 4500 feet

[abstract iron]

wow nice

[cerulean thorn]

yeah i wanna get my level 2 cert this summer but dont have a rocket atm

[abstract iron]

what's a speed estimate on that kind of thing? how long does the climb take

[cerulean thorn]

oh man uhh i had the sims, you need a min speed off the rail so the rocket doesnt fly sideways

its up in like seconds

let me run a sim, i forget but they can hit some insane speed

635 mph if it actually launched

9 second total flight

[jaunty harness]

635mph is nutty!

[normal osprey]

what does that mean?

[cerulean thorn]

FAA waiver to 4500 feet

we too close to nyc

[glossy pine]

So…it’s cheaper to buy a 1000mAh battery with a solar panel and usb ports built in than it is to buy a 3000mAh battery. Any downsides to building a device by attaching a board to one of these?

[rare sparrow]

If this has auto shut off

Then it’s a no go

[glossy pine]

Meaning it stops serving juice via its ports?

[rare sparrow]

Cause the board usually only pulls minimal amount of power

[glossy pine]

Ahhhhh

I wonder if there a way to change the firmware of the battery

Cause with these could deploy solar node so so easily

[jaunty harness]

you might be able to modify the internal circuitry but its a bit advanced. I know the Austin Mesh people looooove to use Voltaic battery packs in their deploys for numerous reasons, of which one is they don't cut out even with the low-power draw of a RAK/nRF

I actually have a similar looking solar+batt bank to that one but never actually tried it with a node, but now I have another project for this weekend 8)

[glossy pine]

its just so tempting with the connectors and the solar panel and the battery all in one for $10 or less

Maybe this is a NYC problem but so far all my solar powered nodes cannot keep up with the channelutizilation that they get

[jaunty harness]

I use it while travelling and has qi/wireless charging so nice to just put phone ontop / one less wire to pack

[daring moth]

Have you seen this? https://meshtastic.org/docs/community/enclosures/rak/harbor-breeze-solar-hack/

[jaunty harness]

hold up - that's not your Home Depot solar setup 😄

[glossy pine]

i did see it once a couple of months ago! It looks dope af, i need to try one. With those kinds of batteries could i just pop out the 1500mAh one and put in a 3000mAh one and it'll just work or would it need to have different hardware in some way?

[jaunty harness]

should be good to just upgrade the battery as long as you stick with the same chemistry

yeah it's just a LiOn 18650, swap away

[rare sparrow]

Is it safer to use LiFePO4?

For extreme temperatures

[jaunty harness]

LiFePO4 has more temp range, or at least lower temp range but the voltage range is different so likely need some boost board in there as well

[rare sparrow]

Good to know 🧐

[glossy pine]

folks im officially hooked on radio building

[jaunty harness]

https://tenor.com/wZP5.gif

[glossy pine]

gotta learn to solder tho, still just using plug n play stuff

gonna start an etsy shop to sell ugly af radios since everyone else's are so purty

[jaunty harness]

we all started somewhere... and then somehow ended up with a pile of nodes (side eyes a.li3n, discretely nods)

[glossy pine]

no 3d printed enclosures, just trash i harvest from the street

[jaunty harness]

there's lots of lo-tech/high effort inspiration in #enclosures-discussion

[glossy pine]

Or maybe use a heat gun to melt plastic bottles around a frame

[daring moth]

Why not both? https://all3dp.com/2/3d-printers-recycled-plastic/

[glossy pine]

Oh man those are all wayyy too good for me

[jaunty harness]

gah i can't find any right now but i've def seen like "here's a node in zyn tin" and "here's a node in a tictac container"

[abstract iron]

wow

[midnight mural]

Yeah it was being weird, so I brought it inside, and will take it back up later

[abstract iron]

oops that was typed earlier and didn't mean to send

re batteries make sure (mumble mumble signaling protocol I don't understand) the battery will stay on for the node

e.g. tried to flag pole hang the donk with an old Anker 10000 and the Batt didn't think the node was still there after x seconds

[cerulean thorn]

My lifepo4s in the house haven't blown up yet

[abstract iron]

and would just turn off again

[cerulean thorn]

Barely get warm

8S 280 amp hour pack I built

[rare sparrow]

No I mean it’s supposed to be safer than lithium-ion

[cerulean thorn]

Yeah by a ton

They don't explode

Pretty sure I could stab these with shovel and they'd just sit there

I have 2.25 kw of panels on my garage

All legal and permitted right

[rare sparrow]

I should get licensed 😆

[cerulean thorn]

I just don't piss he neighbors off

And help them

Ask for nothing in return

Good luck to sucker who has to sell this after I die

[midnight mural]

🍕is back on the roof, temp MF node

[abstract iron]

Pizza I'll cut my T1E ZLL1 over to MF for the afternoon while I'm errands in WB GP

Not too optimistic but LF sucks in GP too

what is across from you in BK pizza?

[terse gull]

is there activity on anything other then long-fast in nyc?

[glossy pine]

Folks been trying to get medium fast going a little but it’s very spotty

I have a mf node in my window and a few other folks too just to see what we can do

So far I’ve been able to do nothing

[terse gull]

i just turned it on and not seeing anyone

[glossy pine]

Yeah LF has a lot of momentum as the default and depending on where you are works great. Medium Fast is theoretically better for urban environments but the lack of nodes thus far makes that theory moot

[normal osprey]

i mean yeah cuz there’s only like 4 nodes on Medium Fast rn 😂

https://meshtastic.org/blog/why-your-mesh-should-switch-from-longfast/

Our chances of having a healthy mesh are much greater if we eventually get off Long Fast.

Meshes of 60+ aren’t ideal for Long Fast. I see like 120+ nodes.

[glossy pine]

My device was at 220+ lmao

[normal osprey]

exactly

[glossy pine]

Yeah the issue holding this back is social

[normal osprey]

and don’t worry if you wanna stay on Long Fast! There will always be enough people on the default config.

whoever wants to continue battling with people on old firmware and incorrect roles will have PLENTY of nodes to work with on Long Fast

even if every node was configured correctly, long fast still isn’t the ideal preset for our city. we’ve outgrown it, it seems.

Bay Area went to MediumSlow and NZ went to ShortFast… so maybe MediumFast isn’t the right preset for us but we won’t know without some testing.

ShortFast was used at Defcon to support 400+ users and what we’re gonna use at EDC LV.

[abstract iron]

pizza yirre 763a or whatever right

oops sorrty

I saw that ou 11 mins ago

you

sorry walk and type re the cat gifs

[abstract iron]

yo I'm out in wb not getting you xam

[normal osprey]

i’m home for a few mins and don’t see anyone recent on MF

[jaunty harness]

as i understand BayArea are testing ShortFast now and yeah, it took 14hrs to hit the 80 MAX_NODE limit for an nRF52840 , easily see 30-40 "active" during the day

[tame brook]

Fuck it I’ll try MF what’s there to lose?

[abstract iron]

I hung my t1e MF in the window. best I can do right now... but I did see pizza somehow when I was walking around GP or WB

buddy of mine down in Philly is newly meshing up and they have some pretty sweet discord linkage. if you're a new node discovered on the local mesh, the discord automatically welcomes you. some bot or something

I'm trying out the web client for the first time. client.meshtastic.org. Who knew?

[normal osprey]

i love the web client and CLI

[abstract iron]

are people running 2.6.4.x beta now or 2.6.5.x alpha?

[normal osprey]

Usually latest beta for me.. so 2.6.4 rn

[glossy pine]

On MF or LF? The one on mf is 🧃

I’ve still got 🌞 on LF

[abstract iron]

I had a t1e on MF while out but now at home I've got donk1W LF and t1e MF

I did get pizza MF somehow

[glossy pine]

Also plz delete my 🌝 node it got hard reset by accident and now DMs ain’t working

[abstract iron]

Ok. I have such a mess in my nodedb I might just reset them all

It's nonsensical PA/NYC mix

[glossy pine]

occasional resets seem to do my device good

[abstract iron]

uhoh bricked my winmesh somehow

[glossy pine]

Firmware update or something else?

[inner helm]

Someone is on top of bear mountain in the Hudson valley and has connect to nyc

[grave patrol]

That’s me!

[abstract iron]

fw update. I used the hidden RST button in the bottom and got it back to DFU and redid it

[inner helm]

I’m Hudson hawk in Peekskill

[abstract iron]

nice!!!

[inner helm]

Are you using a drone or just hand held

[glossy pine]

Just go ahead and leave that node up there thx

[inner helm]

If you leave that node up I can sext my wife at work.

What if we kissed after the grid collapses?

[grave patrol]

This is my first day with a Meshtastic radio. I am by the tower on Bear Mountain. thanks for the messages.

[abstract iron]

wow really? location?

https://www.alltrails.com/trail/us/new-york/perkins-memorial-tower-via-appalachian-trail

???

[grave patrol]

The tower isn’t open, so I’m not in it up there. Standing on a rock next to it.

[inner helm]

That’s incredible to teach nyc hand held without a drone.

[abstract iron]

./cue someone savvy with that siteplanner tool to check this route out

[glossy pine]

someone might throw a weather proof node up there during some trip upstate who knows who knows

[abstract iron]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[glossy pine]

Would be great to bridge the city to the hv

[abstract iron]

we really need a guerilla design team

[jaunty harness]

it's only ~50miles, people have gone 3x that with just rubber ducks antennas by getting up high enough for LOS

[grave patrol]

I’m going to leave the radio on but walking away from the peak

[glossy pine]

the niche I’m trying to fill

[abstract iron]

disguise it as a....... some junction box thingy or a sticker that says "rain water testing" or something

[grave patrol]

Handheld

[glossy pine]

Or just make it hard to see/reach from the ground anywhere nearby

[abstract iron]

sure

or ebay something that's already around the property and add it

that's what i was going to accidentally do with these solar lights installed around my apt complex

in the ground

[inner helm]

I never connect to anyone in the valley I’m in. It’s very hilly. Never connected to nyc before.

Maybe not a world record but a big deal here in the Hudson valley.

Only connection people when someone is hiking with a node.

Never once been able to send and receive a message up until a month ago

I’m in a topological dessert.

I think the way you sell meshtastic deployment to the people who control the towers is that it’s great for search and rescue in the Hudson Valley in area without cell coverage. A node on bear mountain helps a lot of hiking areas without coverage.

[grave patrol]

I live nearby in Croton @inner helm. I tried unsuccessfully to send test messages an hour or so ago before I came up to bear mountain.

[glossy pine]

Elecrow doing giveaways of lora modules may they could donate to NYC Meshtro (our totally official name) to support putting up public nodes

https://www.elecrow.com/blog/lora-modules-giveaway-and-pcb-assembly-sponsorship.html

[midnight mural]

East of me is South Roosevelt Island

[abstract iron]

Oh ok you're more like LIC/QN adjacent

[midnight mural]

That’s why I’m pushing for it

I’m going to venture out tonight, do some more MF blasting downtown

[inner helm]

I’m
Originally from croton and go there all the time. I’ve connected to a few people in the croton Ossining area.

[abstract iron]

I'll try to do a bike ride and mesh us up this weekend on the MF

[tame brook]

What if we all just meshtastized all the old fire lookout towers?

[midnight mural]

:homer into shrub gif:

[rare sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-homer-simpson-gif-13518564799186478937

[woven trellis]

Hi, I reset my tdeck, and tried sending a note though I often see this message:

Am assuming that means the note I tried to send didn’t get picked up. Though am not sure what the issue is or how to address it.

[normal osprey]

technically it just means you didn’t receive an acknowledgement that your message was delivered.

it may have still been delivered to some people but their ack didn’t make it back to you.

i’ve had “max transmission reached” but then people were doing tapback responses to that message… so clearly it was delivered to some people

[woven trellis]

It’s pretty consistent for me, in this case it’s just me sending to the default channel.

Is that simply a function of where the device is pointed?

[normal osprey]

For me, it happens because I have a strong antenna and am really high up. My messages reach a lot of people but their acks don’t always make it back to me.

[woven trellis]

(Also thankyou, am still in that part of the journey where I’m learning and am less self sufficient)

[woven trellis]

As the protocol is a mesh, how do I know if I have at least gotten one ack, not all the directs acks?

[rare sparrow]

If it’s DMs, it will shows “Acknowledged by another node”

[midnight mural]

Imma few months in, still in the trenches with ya

[radiant cairn]

Unless lifepo has a heater built in, it cannot be charged below 32 degrees F.

[rare sparrow]

Good to know

[jaunty harness]

huh, I thought it was just deminished performance below 0C but they're good to like -20C

[radiant cairn]

I believe they can be damaged if charged below freezing - which is why the bigger ones and more expensive designs have built in heaters

One of the reasons they aren’t (currently) used in automotive applications.

[jaunty harness]

ahh that makes sense, works below 0C but don't charge. i know some people use temp-cutoff fuses to isolate the battery when it's too cold/hot but the battery is still exposed to those temps

[radiant cairn]

It sure does work below freezing, only the charging is an issue. Right on, and some BMS modules have temp sensors - some can slow the charge rate a bit, but most will either not charge or enable the heaters first then start charging when temp rises

Ask me how I know about the damage when charged in below freezing temps. Good thing the battery was only $250 😠

[woven trellis]

Regarding MF… would it make sense to have a coordinated test of the folks in this group?

[jaunty harness]

yeah we were waiting for it to get warmer to try and do a big coordinated test, pretty much just need to call out a ~3hr window and lfg

it would be great to have it align with a time gardener is free to flip GrandSt/Vernon/SouthSlope/LilyBX over during the test but i think we probably have enough clients to test w/o those, just need to make effort to test from highest points we can safely/legally access to maximize range

[midnight mural]

I’m gonna stay of MF just because till it’s decided it’s a no go.

Done my chores, mom says I can go out and play

Going downtown….Union Square…..then head towards the east river and blast the whole way

[normal osprey]

We should also discuss if Medium Fast is the right preset we should be testing

Considering SF Bay went to Medium Slow and NZ went to Short Fast. Would love to know why they chose those and why we are choosing Medium Fast.

[jaunty harness]

hmm i'm think it's about: !LongFast than any particular preset. but need to keep in mind those are very well organized/run meshes, and they had establishes solid infrastructure node placement AND access to those to flip over during testing

[midnight mural]

Walking on the Williamsburg Bridge

MediumFast

Someone is out there, wooooo

$1.50 pizza it’s my temp node lol

[jaunty harness]

haha great name

[midnight mural]

Oh my, $1.50 🍕is hilarious…..however, I’m all in on TMNT theme meow

[jaunty harness]

smolfoxes fresh off the hot plate

[midnight mural]

Smol lol

[jaunty harness]

It’s the Smol edition!!

[woven trellis]

is the main thing been getting allowance from building owners? or are there local regulations to be aware of?

[abstract iron]

Why the hell do T1es RX so well? My two nodes are busy collecting lots of nodeinfo and the winM and donk are deaf to anything outside

[rare sparrow]

they are impressive...

but the problem is I can't send

feels like shouting to the void

[abstract iron]

Yes

it gets out only what I would think is normal given size, where you're likely to use it, etc

but Rx is bonkers

Related, need to learn how to use my analyzer this weekend

[midnight mural]

VNA?

[midnight mural]

I feel the same way a lot of the time

[midnight mural]

I’m pretty sure it’s just building owners, we can use 915MHz unlicensed.

[glossy pine]

It seems like Avenue intersections in Manhattan get good signal, if we had them at major intersection rooftops down 14th st or 23rd across the city could reaaally go a long way toward broader coverage

[jaunty harness]

Yeah it’s just approval from landlords/owners for anything permanently placed

T1E has one of the newest Semtech radios, the LR1110, which is (big part of) why it’s RX is amazing, but also can’t talk direct to a T-Deck’s older SX127# with Meshtastic because of nonstandard sync word

[cerulean thorn]

LR1110 more sensitive rx?

Currently, LR1110 radios are unable to receive Meshtastic packets from the older SX127x radios, it requires a breaking change to fix this. Transmitting works and when hopping through an SX126x radio, you can still receive packets from SX127x radios.

[jaunty harness]

Very much so from everyone’s experience with the little nodes (myself included)

[cerulean thorn]

welp

https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/devices/seeed-studio/wm1110/

[jaunty harness]

Yeah that’s the issue, supposedly 3.0 will correct the syncword

[cerulean thorn]

seems odd

now i need to know WHY

must not be able to set it on the LR1110?

or dont have access to that lower level of the modulation

[jaunty harness]

Haha there’s a video from Johnathan B admitting he messed up by choosing a nonstandard sync word

[cerulean thorn]

lol

ofc

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/issues/4775#issuecomment-2377518846

[jaunty harness]

Yeah as I understand it’s some deep hw level bug and Semtech is just “yeah that’s on you for using nonstandard syncword”

[cerulean thorn]

yeah the HAL only lets you pick 2 values

reading some code now

    int err = LGW_REG_SUCCESS;

    /* Multi-SF modem configuration */
    DEBUG_MSG("INFO: configuring LoRa (Multi-SF) SF5->SF6 with syncword PRIVATE (0x12)\n");
    err |= lgw_reg_w(SX1302_REG_RX_TOP_FRAME_SYNCH0_SF5_PEAK1_POS_SF5, 2);
    err |= lgw_reg_w(SX1302_REG_RX_TOP_FRAME_SYNCH1_SF5_PEAK2_POS_SF5, 4);
    err |= lgw_reg_w(SX1302_REG_RX_TOP_FRAME_SYNCH0_SF6_PEAK1_POS_SF6, 2);
    err |= lgw_reg_w(SX1302_REG_RX_TOP_FRAME_SYNCH1_SF6_PEAK2_POS_SF6, 4);
    if (public == true) {
        DEBUG_MSG("INFO: configuring LoRa (Multi-SF) SF7->SF12 with syncword PUBLIC (0x34)\n");
        err |= lgw_reg_w(SX1302_REG_RX_TOP_FRAME_SYNCH0_SF7TO12_PEAK1_POS_SF7TO12, 6);
        err |= lgw_reg_w(SX1302_REG_RX_TOP_FRAME_SYNCH1_SF7TO12_PEAK2_POS_SF7TO12, 8);```

okay my brain is satisfied

https://github.com/Lora-net/sx1302_hal/blob/4b42025d1751e04632c0b04160e0d29dbbb222a5/libloragw/src/loragw_sx1302.c

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/blob/54c1423039bbb2b6fdecc807843eef8de47a6b41/src/mesh/RadioLibInterface.h#L71

[abstract iron]

The earlier recommended Seesii Nanovna-S1 vector

[jaunty harness]

(me staring at solar charger on workbench wondering why it’s there and not usual spot …. Wakes up enough to remember why)

The one I have is branded Blavor, and is actually happily working with seeed nRF52840 + Wio1262 kit (wanted to use lowest draw node I had, 1W wouldn’t be a fair test since it uses 10x power during xmit

Gonna leave this in the window for a while see if it holds up but seems to be fine

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07FDXDB3W/ is the exact one, had it for like 5 years so the battery is def not what once was but still works fine for me and seems good so far for a simple solar setup (it’s charging up now even with grayish sky)

checked both usb-a and usb-c, both seem ok - lets see how long 4e84 can go 8)

[abstract iron]

working on the instructions for this

so far did the cal procedure and attempting to do a SWR on an Ali 915

Mexican Coca Cola for inspiration

[maiden thistle]

Measure 906mhz for long fast

[abstract iron]

Yah def. Just getting started. Also set a huge range like 860 to 920 and saw an at least ballpark graphed idea of bad to good

[jaunty harness]

i take it back, balvor is good for like 5mins then shuts off, womp womp

[jaunty harness]

meant to respond to this earlier... have had similar thoughts about how to best cover what's a perfect grid (thanks Randel). i was thinking directionals down Aves with scattered offsets at street intersections but that quickly becomes way more nodes than even I have laying around/parts to build 😄

[midnight mural]

I was doing some testing with my temp roof node on MF, I could really go only 5-10 blocks depending on who knows what for DM acks back and forth. Manhattan is not great for this, so far

[normal osprey]

got your Williamsburg Bridge message at 10pm last night on Medium Fast

[abstract iron]

wish we could keep node location but drop position log

[late knoll]

Keep your current low enough and cold isn’t much of an issue

https://yycmesh.wordpress.com/2025/04/19/cold-weather-charging-of-lithium-ion-batteries-real-world-lessons-from-the-meshtastic-community/

[normal osprey]

if anyone knows anything about cold weather, it’s definitely calgary!

[late knoll]

We had the same worries. Eventually we just said let’s see what happens. Worked out well!

[midnight mural]

I only had one ack all night, def zero on the faraday cage of a bridge that is….so much metal

I’ll be switching back over to LongFast today at some point….headed to Toronto tomorrow for a bit

[abstract iron]

Yeah I"m back on LF til we schedule a big test

[normal osprey]

Moving all my nodes to Short Fast 80 soon for EDC LV except Domino Park fa5a which will stay on LF20 and isn’t a mobile node anyway.

[abstract iron]

I'm running that analyzer on all the antennas I have and trying to produce a ref for us

[midnight mural]

Roosevelt Island South-ish Pizza Party Ping
Sent on LongFast

[abstract iron]

Now, assuming my first calibration is correct, and user error minimal, etc, here's what I got so far

These measurements seem more or less what you would expect, except for #3 which seems to be a POS and I'll do a wider SWR graph

[midnight mural]

I’m all back on LongFast now.

For what it’s worth, it’s quick to change the modem preset and frequency slot under LoRa Config. When we get a better test scheduled, it’s pretty easy to move around to whatever.

Speaking of; we should think about when we should do a test and what modem preset.

We can put that information on https://meshny.github.io/

[rare sparrow]

Acked from Bay Ridge

Pretty impressive range

You showed up as 0 hop tho

Probably lost the hop data along the way

[abstract iron]

Yeah let's try to sched something. It would help me a lot if we had a few weeks of advance warning.

[midnight mural]

I have the https://meshny.github.io/ on the end of Casey Jones, my t1e, gonna keep that on my long name, get it into peoples node list. I would hope other people would do the same to get word out of the channel and what we are trying to do

BTW, is the nodedb basically the list of nodes in your app?

[abstract iron]

I think the node itself is holding the db

[rare sparrow]

You device stores up to 80 nodes I believe

[midnight mural]

Ahh, the hardware per se has 80, but my iOS app has whatever….

Cuz that’s almost at 600

[abstract iron]

Oh wow

I don't think (?) the Android app does that

[midnight mural]

SoCal was lit last week

[rare sparrow]

I use waypoint!

[normal osprey]

i connect to different nodes with my phone so it always drops any nodes over the 80 stored on the node itself

[midnight mural]

I was getting San Diego from LA. So cool

[midnight mural]

What is that and how do you do that?

[rare sparrow]

long press on the map

and just hit send

[midnight mural]

Oh, does it blast out to everyone?

[rare sparrow]

at least to whoever can receive my message...

(within range)

also t's supposed to show up on other people's map...

but iOS app is too buggy

my device 2 get the notification but it's not on the map

okay restart the app does the trick

[abstract iron]

I don't think--but not sure--the android app caches anything at al

it seems to rely on the nod

node

[rare sparrow]

You are simply too far away from me 🥲

[abstract iron]

If my gf gets back in time I can bike out and blast from the water for a second

Ok she's back. PIzza you got anything waterfront you want to test?

[midnight mural]

I just have PDD in the window, all back on LF

I can see nodes popping back up on my list inside my apt

[abstract iron]

next time I'm gonna be down at Brooklyn Firefly I'll warn ya

[abstract iron]

domino got your config change can't reply

[normal osprey]

just messed with the channels and wanted to make sure everything’s still good

[midnight mural]

You know, I can pizza packet blast all of NY state tomorrow from an airplane…..what should I say?

meshtastic ny info
https://meshny.github.io/

[abstract iron]

weirdly now I have prop again. moved the donk random place

[midnight mural]

I’m about to send pizza pings from Roosevelt Island South

Zilla you are 6 hops from me up here 😦

Now 3

[abstract iron]

🍕🍕🍕

Check it. Elusive Metaphor is back

[flat bough]

Blip

[abstract iron]

bloop

[daring moth]

Which role would be better for a node on an airplane, CLIENT or CLIENT_MUTE? My thinking is that if it's on CLIENT, any PSAs that gets sent will be in competition with all the packets that it would be attempting to rebroadcast.

[jaunty harness]

prob CLIENT for the propagation, otherwise whatever CLIENT_MUTE hears is like it never heard it at all since no rexmit

[midnight mural]

Will be in client mode then inflight ✈️

This is going to be fun for once. Hope we can get a few people added to the channel

[glossy pine]

What time do you takeoff from nyc?

[midnight mural]

3 something

[normal osprey]

i take nodes on every flight in CLIENT

[abstract iron]

I'm surprised this works. Do you visibly hang the node near the window or just casually have it on you somewhere?

I don't fly til July but it will be interesting

[tame brook]

Has TSA ever questioned what your node is?

[rare sparrow]

Just don’t bring something that looks like a bomb -> #notabomb

[abstract iron]

Yeah I've carried various transmitters through TSA I don't think they care. I meant more once you have nervous sky Karen/Kens

[normal osprey]

Usually just keep it in my bag and pick up hundreds of nodes during the flight. I usually prefer aisle over window anyway.

[normal osprey]

never been questioned and always have like 2-3 nodes in my backpack

flying to vegas with 21 nodes (mostly T1000-E) for EDC LV in May. Let’s see if they say anything about that.

[midnight mural]

I have 3 on my person…..TSA doesn’t care

I have PDD ready to blast. Looks like we are flying north a little the straight up west. Should have great blasting coverage

[cerulean thorn]

TSA doesn't know what anything is

I travel with buckets of electronics to defcon

I also fly with a battery 2x the max size

They were on a plane

[amber edge]

Do people override the hop amount from 3? It seems awfully short but maybe my mental model is wrong

[midnight mural]

TSA knows what cream cheese is. Lemme tell you. Cream cheese with your dozen bagels, get fucked. Bag of weed in the same backpack, no biggie 🤣😂🤣

[rare sparrow]

I set my indoor node to 4 so it can get out through my window node without sacrificing a hop

[cerulean thorn]

I fly with weed all the time

It's a local law enforcement issue

Lol

[midnight mural]

Well, I’m ready for blasting NY. Just waiting on ‘gestures at airport’ this

[abstract iron]

Yeah TSA is only for safety not lifestyle enforcement (except for the shoes thing)

Pizza I'll miss your blast live but I have a node at home to capture it

[midnight mural]

This shit is so much fun

[rare sparrow]

TSA Pre for the win 😌

[midnight mural]

I’d like to say in advance to the “Mr cranky pants in Connecticut about airplane messages”

PDD is coming for you

[midnight mural]

I use Delta Digital ID, so I’m in and out of precheck usually in sub 5 mins. It’s awesome, at least for me in LGA/JFK and LAX

[normal osprey]

exactly. i haven’t had to remove my shoes in a long time. global entry with pre check.

[midnight mural]

Or belts or water. And the tap water in the airport is not as good as home 😦

[rare sparrow]

And Global Entry if u travel internationally

TSA Pre is included

[midnight mural]

Oh yeah, I have all that. I’m a low threat lol

[rare sparrow]

Last time at JFK took me 30 secs to get pass the boarder control

[midnight mural]

It was like $5 more per year for GE, done-zo

[rare sparrow]

Scanned my face

BOOM

[cerulean thorn]

Sent a few messages about NJ

[midnight mural]

I’m not happy about it, but it’s fast, that’s for sure

[cerulean thorn]

You can opt out

The tiny sign

[midnight mural]

It already happened to get all of my other shit, so whatever. I’ll be grumpy about it

[cerulean thorn]

I foia requested when they took my kielbasa

[midnight mural]

If I’m going to commit a crime at this point, it’s gonna be worth it. However, I’m too lazy to do all that haha

[cerulean thorn]

Coming back from Europe

[rare sparrow]

Btw iOS app update is out

2.5.23

[midnight mural]

Oh my, it needs help

[rare sparrow]

Some minor fixes

[midnight mural]

What is the “secure input” fix, fix?

[rare sparrow]

Day 2 of me leaning Swift 😂

[normal osprey]

did they fix the unread messages bug???

[rare sparrow]

Hope one day I can contribute

[midnight mural]

The unread messages is much needed to be fixed

[normal osprey]

the most annoying bug currently

[midnight mural]

I get notifications, zero messages in the list or channels

[normal osprey]

exactly, i screen shot the notifications now cuz once i open the app, the message is nowhere to be found (for DMs)

[rare sparrow]

No I think that’s the “scroll to the bottom” fix

It used to no scroll to the latest messages

[normal osprey]

ohh

[rare sparrow]

Clickable node circle!

[normal osprey]

were they not clickable before?

[rare sparrow]

Yes : (

A much needed feature

This is also new 🤩

[normal osprey]

i’ve updated my app but don’t see client history

ahh i see it on that node in your screenshot

but it’s not available for every node? need to read more about this feature

[rare sparrow]

Ohh that’s the store and forward thing…

[jaunty harness]

for me most annoying bug by far is the random crashes, second is no way to disable the helper texts which reset when you change nodes - its so painful to manage >1 node

[normal osprey]

Helper texts are annoying af but don’t cause me to miss messages. The disappearing DMs issue takes away the reliability of a key feature (DMs) for me.

[jaunty harness]

that one has been around for months, and part of why i gave up on iOS for cli 8/

[normal osprey]

I have to use iOS cuz my main use cases are all mobile (music festivals, flights, hiking, etc).

[glossy pine]

Don’t worry they closed the GitHub help request for that one without investigating 😂

Non reproducible with one try and done

[midnight mural]

I’d like the iOS app to be solid, that’s my daily driver

[jaunty harness]

Yeah having an iPhone it’s the app I’m using out and about but I found it frustrating for a lot of things so switched tools that better fit my use (sooo many configs to backup and manage, and MeshSense on the window which gives far more insight into what’s going on with the mesh and can message from)

[midnight mural]

I’m getting there 🙂

id like to be able to see messages and whatnot remotely, so I don’t have fomo 😉

No nodes near JFK….waiting to get off the ground

[cerulean thorn]

you'll prob pick me up depending which way you fly

WFL0

[jaunty harness]

a raspi running meshtasticd even w/o a radio can connect via UDP to another node on the same network and then run contact - you get 100 stored messages out of the box and can increase that # easily since the pi is far less resource constrained than nRF and esp32 nodes are

[rare sparrow]

I remote back to my PC 😂

that runs the Meshtastic app

that connects to my base node via Bluebooth

[jaunty harness]

hah yeah there's several solutions, linux-native will def give you the most stored messages so i guess depends how long you're away

[cerulean thorn]

i just vpn home and connect over ip

loading up meshsense in a docker container now, this is cool

[jaunty harness]

definitely! though please set the auto-traceroute (enabled by default) duration to something like a day instead of the default (60?90? mins not sure what they finally bumped it to)

[cerulean thorn]

electron removes some cool points

wow all the garbage i need to install to run this headless

[jaunty harness]

haha yeah there was some random deps to get things like emojis working, IIRC for --headless you also want --disable-gpu

[cerulean thorn]

i just ran it normally on a vm that needs a console

[midnight mural]

Yeah, I have containers galore on my servers 😎

I blasted all the way to Toronto!!! Hope we get some new people in the channel

I looked at the flight path, we adjusted a bit, but basically flew entirely over NY, should have hit some nodes with the pizza packet pings

[cerulean thorn]

GPS location on my node was null island

fixed that

[abstract iron]

Coming into NYC again from NJ. cars eat RF but I've got the donk

[cerulean thorn]

not sure my my main node didnt see you but this did

now it does, sent some DMs

doesnt look like they got to you

[abstract iron]

Yeh have weird exp with the t1e and WinMesh seeing nodes but can't be heard, zllP can TX but not rx

[spark sapphire]

Downtown Brooklyn

[abstract iron]

nice

[glossy pine]

The thinknode m1 surprisingly good in the city

[abstract iron]

that was from pulaski ripping in

[cerulean thorn]

heh i hate that road

used to commute JC ro motown for work

[abstract iron]

yeah I don't mind it at speed but now we are in the tunnel parking

[cerulean thorn]

oh yeah you can fly on it

[abstract iron]

I mean id rather not drive anywhere near a city just to free up the resource but that's what we've got

anyway

I have a lead foot it doesn't go with sitting heh

[glossy pine]

The 🧃 node has a cavity filter if any of my homies wanna try hitting it with a DM

Experimenting with it

There was some suggestion it would reduce RF interference so here we are seeing if it does

[rare sparrow]

did you recently changed the name cause 🧃 is not on my node list

[abstract iron]

Hey NERO is on client is that something the channel wanted to happen?

[cerulean thorn]

how has no one made a heltec v3 case with tripod mount

gotta find the STL i used for this case and make one i guess

[glass marsh]

Got a BBS up and running. Send a msg to ROBS to try it out

[cerulean thorn]

trying

[glass marsh]

Not seeing anything, maybe too far away

[rare sparrow]

Acknowledged by another node

🥲

[daring moth]

Yes: #1202833898376138752 message

[abstract iron]

nice I just saw it on CLIENT

[glass marsh]

have an alfa 915 antenna on order, hopefully will get better connection

but i do have direct to 4 nodes including NER0

[cerulean thorn]

I sometimes connect through ner0

It's good signal or nothing at all

Actually I bet having another node on is making my roof node only transmit once

[glossy pine]

It’s 1b40

Heltec wireless paper

[rare sparrow]

Oh this

We are too far 😂

Last heard 4 days ago

[glossy pine]

It was on MF for a few days that prob mixed things up a bit

Just delete that old one and it’ll come back around

[twin root]

Thinking of just writing a chron job and switching my 1w node between lf and mf once a day

[rare sparrow]

just buy another node (X

[twin root]

🙂

[jaunty harness]

heh i decided to leave the MF window node up unattended

[glossy pine]

I had mine going for a solid 4-5 days with not a ping

[cerulean thorn]

I'm going to dual radio my node next time I take it down

[twin root]

If its on channel 20 they are gonna interfere with each other FYI, so as much seperation as u can get

[cerulean thorn]

One will be MF and LF completely different frequencies

I just need to find the proper combiner with the right amount of isolation

Or enough to not cook the other radio

[twin root]

Our MF and our LF are the same frequency

oh

im wrong

they are different frequencies u right

[jaunty harness]

yea 906.875 vs 913.125

[jaunty harness]

same, but i can spare the node and just check it every now and then, eventually a surprise!

[cerulean thorn]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/297151323842?mkcid=NaN current contender for splitter/combiner

Love LLM text lol

[daring moth]

If you want to avoid that kind of suspiciousness, maybe consider purchasing from DigiKey (or Mouser): https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/mini-circuits/ZX10-2-20-S/21727849

[cerulean thorn]

https://www.instockwireless.com/power_divider_pd1120.htm

Seems decent enough

[cerulean thorn]

If this was production sure. But this is play around

If it sucks I'll drive to boonton NJ and throw it at them

Jk

Hey look I bought American /s

[daring moth]

I wonder if this one could be adapted to the correct connector: https://www.microcenter.com/product/442566/just-hook-it-up-2-way-satellite-2ghz-coax-splitter

[cerulean thorn]

That's 75 ohm

And adapters introduce loss

You get loss with the mismatch as well

Let me take a pic of this disaster of SDRs. I have

ADSB, acars, NJ ICS Union county system. Probably something else I forgot

It works and don't want to move anything

Sucks the days of cheap hardware are over

I have my general ham license but rarely transmit

[glossy pine]

Never say never

[cerulean thorn]

https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/1916537895730491850/photo/1

ULA (@ulalaunch) on X

Wondering how you can see the #AtlasV launch of the #Kuiper1 mission for #Amazon? This visibility map shows when and where your best chances are to see the rocket as it lifts off on Monday at 7 p.m. EDT and heads northeasterly into space.

Live updates and webcast:

X · Apr 27, 2025, 5:00 PM

might be able to see this tomorrow night

def with a drone

[daring moth]

I guess someone could try smuggling Meshtastic nodes from the Canadian border into the US. 🤷

[cerulean thorn]

i joked about picking up our badges in montreal for defcon...

[glossy pine]

This era is the prelude to the backlash “unleashing” of the free market we’ll get our electronics back someday

[cerulean thorn]

i have plenty of parts to buid a few more 1w and 2w nodes

over ordering finally paid off

I see 4th st too cool

Night propagation is magic

Evil sun

[abstract iron]

2 w ??

[abstract iron]

I have gen. got familiar a while ago. hard to do in small spaces too

[rare sparrow]

he's licensed

[abstract iron]

used to mess with whatever wsjtX mode was hotness

at the time....

while building a magnetic loop back in the day

[jaunty harness]

what a good doggo holding the probe, i need like 4 of those

[midnight mural]

Toronto has some action!

[amber edge]

Is Owl from Brooklyn in here ? Your node is very helpful for my apartment

[jaunty harness]

Not sure, last saw them hour ago at 23% Chan util which could be they’re up pretty high (or any # of things really)

[amber edge]

how can you tell your chan util?

[glossy pine]

In the node list select the node in question and scroll down to device metrics

[abstract iron]

Where is Squonk? are you on here

[jaunty harness]

@proven grove did you ever get the E80-900M2213S working on the babelfox? my brain hurts from transposing the pin/gpios but it looks like BUSY / pin 11 /gpio24/1A2 is in use by the system by default and now idk if I got even remotely close to the right pin/chip/lane #s anymore

[proven grove]

I stopped bothering when Tom told me Fire never even finished building his own. i stripped the E80 and E21 off of it when I realized this thing is ass backwards. Mounting the MCU on the Opposite side!? WHY!?

[jaunty harness]

AHAHAHAHAHAAH

the ethernet jack is def miss wired, i think somethings up with the battery charger as well though i haven't dug into it, uart to lte modem seems to be working and its reporting it can see lte network but haven't put an active sim in test further. i may end up cutting the trace and reassigning the pin but not at midnight sun when i'm already quesitoning my work

[proven grove]

The pico plus has an ethernet port attached... why exactly did we NEED to solder on on???

i also just avoided the charge circuit altogether.

OH and Portuino didn't even support the E80 when the board was being developed.

[jaunty harness]

i started cribbing the lr1121_tcxo but then got deep in the weeds with the pin/gpiochip/lane stuff because, it's using 3 different gpiochips

[proven grove]

I was beyond hopeful for this concept... But i'm realizing that its just vaporware for the time being.

[jaunty harness]

hrmm, i'll get back to it, does seem like it's something with that particular pin (see it's also in use by sysfs on regular femto/pico mini)

heh, wonder if anyone else besides us has bothered to build one

[proven grove]

I'm not even sure Fire ever did...

[jaunty harness]

so if i get it working I'll be the only one

[proven grove]

My current focus: the Lyraenstein...

[jaunty harness]

i mean it's def ambitious and i was aware he hadn't yet built one at the time but i've caught up on other builds and was time to push my hot plates skills a bit with the lte modem and battery circuit so even if i just have some weird lte thing i'll find a use but radio does seem like cut a trace + jumper and it could be going

what's going on in left/bottom left corner, wifi/bt and some sort of buck/boosteR?

[proven grove]

well, hopefully you'll share with the class if you do. Because I REALLY want a node with Cellular

[untold cargo]

whoa... what image is that running?

[jaunty harness]

honestly the modem is just uart + the sim, i haven't stayed up until 2am playing with AT commands since.... i can't even remember it's been so long but I had some fun last night for sure

it has a whole ssl engine, and mqtt and ntp and all this crazy shit, it's kinda nutty

[proven grove]

a VERY early SDK image built by one of the Femtofox team (Josh). I can't get the radio to get recognized yet, but that could (is likely) just a "me" thing due to how hacky i put this together. I may do a PCB for it, very straightforward. just to clean up the wiring.

[proven grove]

Im gonna leave that to the neckbeards... that's WAY outside of my wheelhouse.

[jaunty harness]

HAHA well i did just shave so time for an even greyer beard to grow back

[untold cargo]

i'm hoping someone sets up a yocto image for it. but it looks like luckyfox themselves aren't supporting that. though rockchip might

actually... just checked on the luckyfox site and there is some support for yocto

[proven grove]

@jaunty harness - I have the two prototypes for the MeshPad's enroute from JLC. Never fully sorted out the charge/protection circuits, but i just need to get them printed to test the f'ing display drivers. They'll be nice desktop nodes in any event lol. and a "Full-Tec" by Vardas which is an E80/ProMicro) and the Femtofox TE.

[untold cargo]

(hey, we're not all neckbeards... i do embedded linux for a living and the hard part is keeping up with all the changes)

[proven grove]

I'm unfamiliar with yocto, but I just googled it, looks like you're trying to minimize the image, meanwhile, the femtofox team is trying to put a damn serverOS on it lol

[jaunty harness]

now now, if it wasn't for the neckbeards we probably wouldn't be here 😄

[untold cargo]

yeah - ubuntu embedded is generally not a great choice. Yocto is just a tool to build an image with everything you want and nothing you don't need. Downside is the learning curve is steep.

[jaunty harness]

ubuntu was def easier to get up and running with something but yeah, it's not ideal and there's still some interesting choices in there i disable (like the lsof calls in the wifi power script)

luckfox also had an alpine image but i never was able to get that to boot when my pico mini first showed up and i had a go using their sdk to build an image, thankfully the foxbuntu releases started rolling out and just been ok with those since can disable the parts that don't fit my uses

[untold cargo]

i've got a pico plus around here somewhere from like a year ago - maybe this will get me up off my butt and using it

[jaunty harness]

it's still as slow as you may/maynot remember cause of 64MB for apt but overall it is quite spry for a few tenths of a W

[untold cargo]

Yup i remember - i did a lot with the a7 core back when it was current

[exotic merlin]

Owl is mine!

[rare sparrow]

https://nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2025-24797

☠️☠️☠️

This vulnerability fixed in 2.6.2.

[abstract iron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1k9sz8j/went_out_for_a_drive/

[exotic merlin]

Owl is on a rooftop in Prospect Heights. It’s facing north and has some miraculous direct connection to northern Manhattan above Central Park. It’s also a direct connection to Hops.

In a few months we’ll be able to move it to a higher location with 360 degree views.

[normal osprey]

Interesting route from me to Owl and back. The route back definitely makes sense.

[abstract iron]

where is dkTower?

[rare sparrow]

Looks like lower Manhattan on the map

[abstract iron]

Cool. I had the nodes in the PA burbs yesterday. No other nodes (too far north of intro to Philly zone). Could go 2 miles with a T1E but the nodes adopted the usual role. winmesh RX, donk TX. Going to try some antenna A/B next with that Alfa 915

(quick explanation, left them up high in a house and then went walk/hike the area with t1e)

[abstract iron]

anybody get a reply from the ROBS BBS?

[glossy pine]

Nope, maybe if I bike down to lower Manhattan I’ll try it since it’s in SI

[twin root]

Yes I get 1 reply

like the menu

@abstract iron but then when I actually try and send it a command like Q or whatever it does not respond

JK i dont get a reply anymore, I tried last night and it worked but not working today

[abstract iron]

cool I'd like to give it a shot but I'm pretty many hops

[rare sparrow]

Very intense😂

[glossy pine]

3 hop crusaders

[amber edge]

i can't reach my friends with 3

[jaunty harness]

(waypoint sent from my 3rd flr 2.1.x firmware ROUTER_CLIENT) 😄

[glossy pine]

Maybe I turn my hops to 4 today

[abstract iron]

where did that come from anyway

[glossy pine]

Someone pushed a waypoint I guess

[twin root]

Me 🙂

[twin root]

I'm on 3 hops and 2.6x on client 🙂

[glass marsh]

ROBS crashed back online now

[glass marsh]

The hops thing, I'm set to 5 cause I need to reach ROBB from ROBS and they are consistently 4-5 hops apart

But robb will be a solar node outside next month so hopefully will be less hops

[jaunty harness]

i still have 4 on the window CLIENT, which was just enough to reach Ray last time we tried and then inside CLIENT_MUTEs are on 4/5 depending on if I remembered to adjust

[normal osprey]

Same! Sticking with 3 hops. Blocking every node with >3 hops going forward.

[abstract iron]

https://spectrum.ieee.org/run-a-meshtastic-bbs

[jaunty harness]

still waiting for someone to implement TradeWars2000 in one of the meshtastic bbs projects

[jaunty harness]

interesting... anyone sighted the node? "Now anyone within three hops of Spectrum’s midtown Manhattan office on New York City’s emerging Meshtastic network can leave a message by sending “hello” to our node, advertised on the Meshtastic network as IEEE Spectrum BBS"

[rare sparrow]

I can receive no problem

[amber edge]

yeah what's with the hate towards more than 3 hops? it's unusable for me without more than that

[glossy pine]

Maybe…one sizes fits all doesn’t fit all?

[rare sparrow]

But pretty sure I’m shouting to the void most of the time

[jaunty harness]

each hop is another exponential load on the shared airwaves so it' very quickly deminishes the mesh, but it's way better to bump up 1 hop then go right to 7 and start propagating 100miles away

[rare sparrow]

That’s also true

[amber edge]

are nodes experiencing utilization so high that they can't process the traffic?

[jaunty harness]

depends on the node/location, some def live >20% - but it's not just local util affected, anywhere within 7 possible hops is potentially impacted. if we all ran high hops it'd be way way worse but you can do your own tests to find the lowest useable # and ideally check it over time as the mesh grows and gets more reliable it should be able to move back to 3 (eventually)

[jaunty harness]

yeah higher up you go more you can RX, including all the noise

[twin root]

Hollyyy shit

Do you have core_portnums_only turned on?

That is wayyyy above what's usable! Your def dropping packets. Anything above 25% you're no longer guaranteed to receive everything

[normal osprey]

Ive tried but that setting doesn’t seem to stick on this node using the iOS app. Will try with the web client.

[glossy pine]

🗽

[glossy pine]

The web client does it successfully

The iOS and osx app may still show something else but the web client will work nonetheless

[jaunty harness]

noticed the same over the weekend, wasn't sure just my node or not

[glossy pine]

It’s just a display error in the app not sure if it’s successfully changing the setting but the web does it

[normal osprey]

No hate from me but if people wanna use settings for their personal gain that are detrimental to the overall mesh, it shouldn’t be a problem if I wanna ignore them.

Just like Id ignore nodes with incorrect roles.

[glass marsh]

just curious, are you seeing any traffic from ROBB or ROBS ?

[rare sparrow]

I can see them but I can’t DM them

[glass marsh]

yeah there is some wierd routing going on, sometimes i can reach one from the other sometimes i canrt

although both have a good connection to NER0 so technically should be one hop

[glossy pine]

Tx and Rx arent always in good alignment

[normal osprey]

I have them in my node list 1 & 4 hops away

[glass marsh]

maybe NER0 is also being overloaded and dropping packets... That node is in a great spot

[normal osprey]

Probably. I just confirmed that my node is overloaded so doing what I can to bring ch util down.

[daring moth]

I wonder if a RF attenuator would help reduce overloading by artificially limiting the range, and thus the amount of nodes reachable in zero hops. Or is that now how things work with Meshtastic?

[daring moth]

Or I guess the cheaper alternative is to use a lower quality antenna.

[glass marsh]

Haqer, how many nodes do you have a direct connection to ?

[normal osprey]

right now, 31. i imagine it’ll be more when this node is outdoors instead of behind a window.

[glass marsh]

damn.....

[daring moth]

Do you happen to have the antenna included with a Heltec V3? I'm curious, how many nodes are directly reachable in zero hops, after you switch to that antenna?

[jaunty harness]

also at 31 "active" right now, and I have way Way WAY shittier positioning than Haqer

[normal osprey]

31 is all my direct connected nodes. 15 of them are active.

but 80 active including hops

[glossy pine]

Seems like no serious reducing chutil with your position

[jaunty harness]

hehe yeah thats why I explicated "active" direct is 2-5 depending on (not including my own)

GrandSt is usually 15-20% from what I've checked, maybe something on this side of river generating more interference

[normal osprey]

no, i only have T-Echo stock, Gizont 17cm, and this 5.8 dBi beast from Amazon.

[jaunty harness]

did you stage them that close for picture or do they live that close usually?

[normal osprey]

Yeah “T-Echo for scale” type shit but they were also on different presets/frequencies. My T-Echoes never live in the window.

[abstract iron]

no idea. is it a message from outside NYC? I think you need less hops outside city (could be wrong)

[normal osprey]

i think he was talking about me 🙈 cuz i said i was gonna ignore nodes 4+ hops

[amber edge]

yeah i was talking about haqer

[abstract iron]

oh I thought you were trolling

hahah

[amber edge]

who?

[abstract iron]

I thought Haqer was trolling (for fun not malicious)

I mean we just switched to an unusable medium fast too

heheh

[normal osprey]

i was trolling (for fun) about that but i may consider actually doing it if i can’t get my ch util down by changing to core portnums only.

[abstract iron]

that said I've been visualizing a good MF test where we are strategic about locations. I volunteer to post up at Island Oyster, Gov Island

[amber edge]

checks out that a troll would live in that building

[abstract iron]

😂🍸

nah I meant it in fun tho

[untold cargo]

I wish I had these problems . A few miles from you and I got nothing on long island.

10db antenna on the roof and I get the ct folks.

[jaunty harness]

Electchester... i don't wanna say as much as :eventually:

[normal osprey]

awww do i sense some insecurity? 4 hops away

[untold cargo]

It's nicer to be inclusive than gatekeeping.

[normal osprey]

who’s gate keeping?

[untold cargo]

You. Rather than say you're going to block his node offer advice on how to make it all work without hurting the mesh

[glossy pine]

Everyone mesh together nicely folk, we all on the same team and nobody can win

[normal osprey]

I made a joke about ignoring nodes 4+ hops away. Then, he started making it personal.

[untold cargo]

Is there a way he can filter the node he is trying to reach, but not forward all 3+ hop nodes

[amber edge]

you gotta work on your jokes my dude

[tame brook]

I left my node at work and am feeling withdrawal so this means I need to order another node, right?

[rare sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/spectacular-i-want-more-give-me-more-right-now-food-gif-9027143773043425428

Order 14 more is the correct answer (X

[abstract iron]

anyone wanna do a long slow 8 hop

[jaunty harness]

heh thought they removed LongSlow since it's only useful for 250km+ records

[daring moth]

No, only VeryLongSlow.

[jaunty harness]

ahhh

[glass marsh]

Correct, this way you'll have a spare for MF 🙂

[glossy pine]

What’s the tech behind pushing waypoints? Just a dev privilege, is it encrypted, can it be hijacked?

[rare sparrow]

Just long press the map

Anybody can send waypoints

[glossy pine]

Does anyone’s waypoint propagate to everyone on the mesh?

[jaunty harness]

believe so, as i understand it's basiclly sent over shared public / default channel

[normal osprey]

can anyone see the meshny.github.io waypoint i dropped at domino park?

[glossy pine]

Not yet but I’m in the city prob not getting much. Even tho I am getting some of your lf msgs

[normal osprey]

It was a couple days ago I created it, but it’s still there on my map.

[glossy pine]

Na nothin

[rare sparrow]

I sent two more

On the river

[glossy pine]

Does anyone see the 🤫 waypoint I put next to the one that hit everyone this morning

[rare sparrow]

Nope : (

[glossy pine]

Hmm maybe it’s not just a regular waypoint

[normal osprey]

I don’t see any waypoints on the map except the one I dropped two days ago. I need to read up more about how waypoints work.

[twin root]

this 3 hop discussion is exactly why it should be disabled on public meshes. I dont blame people for not knowing the implications because the info is not out there and clear. You increasing hops to 7 does not increase your ability to talk to others and just increases traffic to the whole mesh.

You saying its "unusable" makes little/no sense because your only sending your nodeinfo out and other people are rxing, if someone was to try to send you a message you would never get it because hop count is set at the source device. If someone is 7 hops away from you youll never hear them, your just blasting out your nodeinfo and metrics.

I dont blame anyone for not digging in docs and doing testing to find out how the routing actually works, the default shoud just work out of the box and there should be clear explanations on why those defaults are like that. I ran a 1000 device mesh deployment last year and had to go through all of this to understand why things worked/didnt work and minimize traffic to increase usability where meshtastic was the only way to communicate (no cell internet and VHF/UHF was jammed).

[twin root]

????

[twin root]

yes decrease it to 3 hops

[glossy pine]

What if someone had good tx to you so they could make it in <3 hops to you but your tx is not as good so you need 4 hops to reach them

[cerulean thorn]

Planets are in the right alignment

maybe its the wind blowing the RF

19.1 km link

[glass marsh]

yeah NER0 is everywhere 🙂

[cerulean thorn]

it's weird for me

it's either a great connection or none

i hope this new MB comes soon... this B550 chipset is buggy as hell and USB barely works

[glass marsh]

i connected my node to wifi, working great so far

[jaunty harness]

just be ware that when it's on wifi you can't connect over bt, on the other hand if you're running 2.6.x and have another node also on the same network they'll talk to each other over UDP

[cerulean thorn]

i might run ethernet up my mast next time i take it down

[twin root]

Just wait for another node to pop up instead of borking the mesh with more traffic, the mesh is expanding so quick, every day my distance record goes up.

[twin root]

i have the same exp with NERO, its either perfect or I cant reach em at all

[cerulean thorn]

it's weird

[jaunty harness]

isn't there an airport between WFL0 and NER0?

[glossy pine]

if the only solution is remain unusable pretty easy to see why folks aren’t doing that

[twin root]

Doesnt get more usable - more people can just see you and you collect more nodeinfo's. What is the point if you cant communicate biderectionally.

Custom event firmware is set to force back down high hop packets down to the intended hop count of the client device that is routing the packet. IMO this should be in the main branch, just no one (including me) has advocated for it. This would allow people who actually need 5 hops who live on the outer edges of a large mesh to still have that on while people inside of a city could ensure their killing the high count as soon as it gets into the main part of the mesh

[glossy pine]

Doesn’t it get more usable if you can reach your intended target with tx by 4 hops, even if you can rx them in less?

[twin root]

Sure for you, but as a result your diminishing everyone elses (including your own) ability to reliabiliy recieve the packet because if your chutil goes above X% your no longer garunteed to get the packet even if it reached you. Your node can only talk or be talked to, it cannot to both simultaneously.

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[glossy pine]

So you expect people to not make the setting change that would make their device usable bc of a to-them hypothetical mesh health that they can’t participate in?

[amber edge]

well said @glossy pine

[twin root]

You wont be able to participate it in regardless of your hop count, I at this stage am repeating myself

[glossy pine]

you specifically said you could

[twin root]

In one direction only

[glossy pine]

“Sure for you…”

[twin root]

Sure simplex only is a better way of putting it.

how about we try and solution for your node

Are you on the outer edge of the mesh?

[twin root]

this feature exists in a non-mainbranch event firmware, which you can compile if you wanted to.

[abstract iron]

so should I stop pressing the T1E button 2x every minute as a fidget toy

[twin root]

Doesnt that just toggle GPS?

[abstract iron]

that's 3 press 2 sends nodeinfo I thought

[twin root]

on chan 20 even if you try and send a manual depending on what the traffic scaling factor is, your node just wont send it

[untold cargo]

Cool... what's the branch name?

[twin root]

its ooold fw lemme find it 1s

[untold cargo]

Aw crap sounds like it would be a bear to merge into newer fw

[twin root]

were gonna update it in like 1.5months for event mode so well have a fresh one out then 🙂

[daring moth]

Or what about forwarding packets at two hops (or less) remaining, no matter how many hops were remaining originally?

[twin root]

thats a cool idea. If you wanna play around with that to see how it would impact check out this simulator

https://meshtastic.org/docs/software/meshtasticator/

[daring moth]

Though the implications for traceroutes would be a little silly. Maybe duplicate your NodeID multiple times over?

[twin root]

your nodes dedupe so your good

it will increase your rxtime tho

maybe not by that much, its a good use case for the simulator

[twin root]

found it https://github.com/meshtastic/burntastic

[untold cargo]

Gotcha. It's dead in my area. I'm turning on all the features I can to reach across the sound to ct, where there meshtastic has some life. But i wouldn't leave hops 7 if I were to drive to the city

[twin root]

Ct has a poppin mesh up north

[untold cargo]

Li is so flat it should be popping too. There are some hidden nodes forwarding me I think. No idea how that is done. Show up as ffff in the traceroute and never in the node list

[twin root]

FFFFF is in destination or in orgin? FFFF just means "routing to anyone"

so youll see that in a lot of packets

LI is soooo flat its hard to get a message out, my boys in LI have the same issue, no mesh up there because of terrain.

[glossy pine]

Time for 900 foot perma kites

[daring moth]

I thought the north shore is reasonably hilly.

[twin root]

oh that is strange

[untold cargo]

Yup

The middle hop.

[twin root]

and does the raw packet say FFFF for the whole thing aka #FFFFFFFF?

[midnight mural]

Wow, I already feel the love up here in Toronto

[untold cargo]

Don't have the log on me here. I'll check when I'm home from work

[twin root]

(to see that on android check the debug log by clicking the 3 dots in the top rights to see the raw packet)

[untold cargo]

Is export range test the proper way to get the debug log off rhe phone?

Also sorry for the photo of a screen. The tracerojte screen doesn't like samsungs screenshot gesture lol

[twin root]

no, on the phone u can just see the logs when you click debug log, you can save em, you can just copy paste

cant save em directly**

[untold cargo]

Copy paste only gets what you have scrolled down to. I'd love to get the whole log in a csv so I can really dig through it.

(I'm a firmware dev by trade... technically I work with Jonathan though I've never met him)

[twin root]

yeah unfortunatley not on mobile 😦

Would be cool tho

put in a FR! the android devs are pretty good with taking good requests

[untold cargo]

Good idea.

I'd like to add a feature or two on the firmware side. What I'm lacking is time.

I'd like to dig in a bit and see how the devs are doing coexistence with 900mhz and 2.4

[midnight mural]

Oh, uhhh, ummm, whoops, pushed it again 😂

[woven trellis]

why is that? solar radiation?

[cerulean thorn]

Yeah messes with RF

[woven trellis]

also what does "donk" mean?

[glossy pine]

https://spectrum.ieee.org/run-a-meshtastic-bbs

Looks like they’re running a small bbs out of their office building node

Gonna try to swing by in the next few days and test it but @midnight mural it may be accessible for you sooner

[jaunty harness]

haha zilla linked it earlier - i've been looking for the node here and there all day but don't think I got a NODEINFO yet

[glossy pine]

Looks like it’s named IEEE something something, I’ll go blast around there Wednesday or maybe in the morning tomorrow

[daring moth]

Is that hops away, hops remaining, or original maximum hops?

[exotic merlin]

I believe it’s original hop count

computed from hopStart and hopLimit

Oh no, sorry, that’s hops to get to me not original limit. Ignore that graph.

Deleted the original. I believe this is the original hop limit I’m seeing on packets.

Nope I’m still wrong, trying again

It’s just hopStart

Big difference in packet counts from before and after so let’s give it a few more days to see how the after stabilizes

I’m curious about who’s setting their hop limit to 2

[rare sparrow]

Time to test some antennas 😎

[midnight mural]

how long does it take to calibrate?

[jaunty harness]

couple mins

[midnight mural]

that is not so bad

[jaunty harness]

once you do calibration you can disable all the traces but SWR then go into stimulus, set it for like 850-950MHz and save calibration to sd card so you can load it right up

[midnight mural]

oh cool, so do people usually have multiple sd cards or multiple files?

[midnight mural]

Meshcore.co.uk here SF11 @ 910.525

Interesting node name I cam across up north today

[rare sparrow]

https://youtu.be/k5hBr6ada-I

Great video on the topic

[midnight mural]

I did watch that exact video

just a bit ago and clearly do not distinctly remember much

my vna was a knee jerk, holy cow it is on sale for $50, might as well get it

[abstract iron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1ka2ah3/meshtastic_in_spainportugal_today/

!!!

[jaunty harness]

I only have that one calibration saved to SD card but it's basically just setup/cfg for the NanoVNA so very small file, no need for juggling multiple cards. just makes it very easy to start the unit, load the cal which has the stimulis and trace display setup and get right to testing instead of "what, how the hell do I use this thing again?"

[midnight mural]

word

I like using meshtasticd on my travel raspi.....still can't decide what I'd like to connect device wise to the raspi

[jaunty harness]

what about a meshstick ? I got extras

[midnight mural]

yeah, that is pretty travel sized alright 🙂 What would one cost me, is there a will-call fee 😉

the 'piggystick' is just funny

[jaunty harness]

hrmm good question - have to figure out what all the parts cost but it wasn't much

idk, it was like $15-20 - too tired to go dig through all the receipts for real #

[midnight mural]

Oh totes; I can scratch that together 🙂

I might even say I’ll take two because I like pairs of things

Especially for testing 🙃

You tell me, no rush

[jaunty harness]

can def part with one when you're back in town

[abstract iron]

so meshstick supplies the LoRA hardware and then your host OS runs it? all the serialization etc

[misty gorge]

Do we have a node around the manhattan side of the manhattan bridge?

[jaunty harness]

yeah it's usb->spi

[jaunty harness]

R A A A A A A A A A Y Y Y Y Y Y Y Y

[abstract iron]

Grand St? not sure about closer

[jaunty harness]

i think just brooklyn and williamsburg

[misty gorge]

A friend down there says he can get me access to his roof.

[jaunty harness]

yeah brooklyn is clients, grand st is williamsburg - might be someone w/o position sharing

how high is the roof? and lemme know if you need a node to stick in there 8p

[misty gorge]

I ordered parts to replace AMR2.. I'll move the old AMR2 hardware down to the south manhattan site.

I guess the AMR nodes will go on 2.6x soooooon.

[glossy pine]

Yeah that part of the city would be great

[misty gorge]

the grand street node is a @brazen spear node right?

[jaunty harness]

yeah

grandst / vernon / southslope / lilybx

olmstead 🔜

[misty gorge]

Did he ever post a roof coverage pic? I just did a shallow search here and didn't find one.

[jaunty harness]

technically resistor 2 i guess as he helped get it up but i think its' nyc resistors

[daring moth]

Both Vernons?

[jaunty harness]

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[misty gorge]

damn..that node looks like it has some serious coverag.e

[jaunty harness]

i think that was southslope... [this is grand st](#1202833898376138752 message)

[misty gorge]

Took my R1 on a walk downtown yesterday

I got a ping back to astoria a few times while down there.

[jaunty harness]

oh nice! buddy flew in few weeks ago and got insta-pinged by both AMR1 and 2 before he even landed (silly old firmware)

[misty gorge]

sorry. haha

[jaunty harness]

vernon2 replaced vernon (which died)

[misty gorge]

AMR1 is 2.5.7

AMR2 is much older.

[jaunty harness]

oh huh, maybe just got lucky with #1 then

[misty gorge]

yeah.

AMR2 is part of the welcome wagon!

AMR2 is 2.1.x

[jaunty harness]

hey at least it's not ROUTER_CLIENT 😄

[misty gorge]

the worst taboo.

[jaunty harness]

nah, that's #2, ATAK spamming #LongFast is #1

[misty gorge]

true...

[jaunty harness]

or well, not even the last part - just... hey save some airtime for the rest of civilization

[misty gorge]

important tactical comms going on.

[jaunty harness]

otoh: def use it during search and rescue as intended

[misty gorge]

has anyone been using the nodes for "political reasons"? I haven't kept up.

[jaunty harness]

a.lien - hilariously, if the babelfox had the luckfox on top it would have avoided the pin conflict i suspected AND another i uncovered while confirming the former (pin 34 = BUSY, pin 4 = RST) - time to cut traces

i know some people have used them during 50501 protests in place of cellphones

[misty gorge]

Yea. was wondering how much of that was going on.

[jaunty harness]

MAGA / Trump 2024 finally changed theirs to... idk, there was a Palantir node on SI that popped around around the time it disappeared

bunch of new emoji nodes popping up lately, but those aren't political just neat to see

[misty gorge]

I wouldn't even care if a trump supporter used the nodes for their protests.. its much less annoying that naming your node trump 2024

[jaunty harness]

at least we can ignore nodes for whatever personal reasons now

[jaunty harness]

alright, window node back to 3 hops since I'm talking to Ray on discord (and CLIENT_MUTE back to 4) - also let's give the core port numbers only rebroadcast a go since I can set those via cli

[midnight mural]

what are the core port numbers? 0-63?

[misty gorge]

Looks like I can't get a reply from "Window" rightnow.

[normal osprey]

Just received 18 more T1000-E!! and a gang of spare chargers

[misty gorge]

Dang.

[normal osprey]

Apparently, Seeed has raised the price from $40 to $46 since I ordered.

[jaunty harness]

thanks otrumpa

[proven grove]

Unless you're building a throne.... I don't get it.

[proven grove]

This proves that Fire isn't as omnipotent as they lead on... From a general assembly standpoint, putting the MCU on the bottom infinitely complicates things. If you REALLY wanted to put the charge circuit on the top, then just design the MCU as modular and removable, so all the charger components stay put and the MCU is on the top of the board.

[jaunty harness]

tbf i'm still not 1000% it's one/both of those pins but there's something in foxbuntu that twiddles pin 34 in both pico and mini, i cut both and rerouted to what should be safe pins - it's just extra funky gpio# -> pin# conversion, and it's 1am so... tomorrow, hopefully

[normal osprey]

I’ve become the Meshtastic admin for some groups at EDC LV 😬

[proven grove]

Gotcha

[blissful moon]

how to ignore nodes? you mean can we like blacklist? so will not use that node to rebroadcast?

[rare sparrow]

You will not rebroadcast that node

[rare sparrow]

Interesting, you are actually direct to me

But I can’t DM u

Maybe I have a bad position🥲

Or weak antenna

Who knows

[brazen spear]

Grand st is in Manhattan

[jaunty harness]

Heh we were talking bridges not burroughs

[rare sparrow]

7 hops 🥲

Sending out every minute

[jaunty harness]

351e is Grand St, which runs 7hops for admin IIRC

[rare sparrow]

Not talking about 351e

[jaunty harness]

that's DA64 levels of annoying

yeah usually position every min is ATAK but we saw DA64 on SI few months ago doing similar position spam and eating all the airtime

[brazen spear]

Should I block that node from the "repeater" list? Also, 2.6 seems stable. Any bug reports anyone seen? Any good reason to update or not update these nodes?

[rare sparrow]

For the record 🥾 is !68712a31

[rare sparrow]

2.6 has been stable for me!

[jaunty harness]

meshsense lost connection when I set my hops back to 3 / core port #s only last night so don't see the 🥾 spam 8/

[rare sparrow]

On my T100000000E and my RAK

[jaunty harness]

I had one reboot + cfg lose on 2.6.2, otherwise no issues

[twin root]

I can DM and get a successful trace route, but it only has a responded like one out of 10 times with the BBS menu

[glass marsh]

Yeah connection is flaky... I see messages from BOKN and WFL0

[inner helm]

Someone on bear mountain again

[glass marsh]

new antenna should be coming this week

[inner helm]

The Hudson valley is linking to the city. Seeing some of my city pals lighting up.

[twin root]

I am BOKN 🙂

are you running it on a heltec? Maybe something with a little more gain could help 🙂

[misty gorge]

2.6.6 looks like there are a bunch of little bug fixes in it. But nothing crazy looking.

[glass marsh]

yeah, and the BBS is on an old Pi

Alfa 915 antenna on order

[normal osprey]

Didn’t realize I was talking to you! I can hit BOKN directly from Domino Park. There should be a section in each node for private notes: “feeb’s node” etc so i can keep track of who’s who.

[inner helm]

I’d love to start a bbs but I can’t connect to people. I was considering putting a bbs in my car so people can sign a guest book while parked.

The new femtofox board looks amazing.

[jaunty harness]

it's an adorable little thing, and been very stable for me aside from a solder joint that needed reflowing to fix ethernet (CE build, not the fully assembled "Pro" one you can buy).

[twin root]

I love mine. It changed the game for me, it was so hard to solar power of raspberry pi even the small ones, this just consumes so little energy

[jaunty harness]

I’ve gotten a 3B down to .2A but it’s still double the Luckfox (both have E22-900M30S so same xmit penalty of extra 650mA draw while doing so)

Any further reduction is low level mucking with the pi to where it stops being as useful and more fixed purpose appliance

[normal osprey]

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/s/51cmJO8F2t

[karmic junco]

Took two months but it arrived

[rare sparrow]

All the goodies 🤩

[jaunty harness]

haha yeah my nRF + Wio kits finally arrived last week (right before the tariff price adjustments this week )

[daring moth]

It's weird how they have both the Xiao nRF52840 and Wio-SX1262 for Xiao in-stock in the US warehouse, but not the kit that includes both together.

[jaunty harness]

enh, they're separate SKUs and the nRF kit was def heavily preordered

weird is how they decided to redesign the Wio-SX1262 PCB from the original ESP32 version to the nRF52 kit version (moved some pins around, changed the button/location) making more work on their end to support two different "Wio-SX1262" PCBs and kits, though tbf I'm not sure if they haven't also gone back and changed the ESP32 + Wio kit to the newer Wio-1262 PCB design

[karmic junco]

I've been so detached I've not even looked so closely

Speaking of which
.. do you have any project ideas for 3.6v lithium sodium?

[jaunty harness]

hrmmm not off top of my head, just... anything that avoids heat and needs a battery I guess

[untold cargo]

SAFT?

Primary cells. Those are actually nice if you can't get back to the device. It will die eventually, not just keep transmitting forever.

[karmic junco]

It's non rechargeable

If you guys think of any..

I have some to donate

I thought about helium or some other iot type thing

Their d sized with tabs

[daring moth]

You could also ask on the #1300525496945348648 Discord server. They have a dedicated channel for buying/selling/giving away (#894234858463825930).

[karmic junco]

Why does that feel about a step away from an 🧅

[daring moth]

What does Hack Manhattan have to do with onions?

[karmic junco]

I see #unkown

Tor? Onion servers?

[daring moth]

At least for the second Discord channel link, it's because you're not in their Discord server.

[karmic junco]

That could explain it. Context was misunderstood.

As soon as I can unload my vehicle I'll take some pics. Maybe you guys can have some ideas

Anyone play with hamshack hotline?

[abstract iron]

Haqer you getting me on LongFast? weirdly I see you whereas I never do here

[brazen spear]

Does this go through LilyBX or Harlem Relay or something in Jersey?

[daring moth]

The main reason to update would be for "Next-Hop Routing for DMs", which as more nodes get updated to 2.6.x, it'll improve the channel utilization efficiency of DMs. For more details: https://meshtastic.org/docs/overview/mesh-algo/#direct-messages-using-next-hop-routing
Also, we're planning on making a major switch away from LongFast, so make sure remote admin is working after you update the firmware on each node.

[brazen spear]

I see. Super important update then. The intelligent routing won't really work until I update them.

[daring moth]

Just don't forget to backup any configuration, as all but the public private keypair get reset when updating to 2.6.x from older versions.

[normal osprey]

not home but will check later

[inner helm]

I can show you everyone I connected to.

One hop away from EMS repeater union city. That’s probably how we connect.

That’s my only one hop node that isn’t Hudson valley local.

Union city connects us to nodes over 40 miles away. Here are my two hop connections.

Sparrow and Dickerson mountain are local. I think maybe @twin root but I can’t remember.

[jaunty harness]

that union city ems node is kinda wild, figure it must have really good height as occassionally get direct to it from williamsburg all the way across lower manhattan

(or maybe a hidden repeater, but the #s look legit for a unlikely but direct connection)

[glass marsh]

ROBS is upgraded with a new antenna, may or may not work better...

[inner helm]

When someone is on bear mountain we connect as far as West Point north and to Manhattan, queens, Brooklyn, pretty far down in Jersey too

[twin root]

Nah I'm far but Dickerson mntn is my buddy and I went to visit

[twin root]

Yeah I route out to most things through that node.