us - NYC metro

[normal osprey]

it’s showing 312 ft elevation so likely not a mobile node and might even be in my building but facing the other direction (towards you).

[balmy osprey]

what is the alert bell character lol

yea it says you didn't get it.. I just sent it.. but saw your thumbs up

so as of this morning we CAnnot reliably communicate

Ah you got it

oh well

[normal osprey]

it makes devices with buzzers like the T1000-E ring audibly. I recommend not sending alert bell character in the middle of the night on LongFast (that’s happened before and all my T1000s starting ringing 😂)

[normal osprey]

i received it

[normal osprey]

this is actually pretty reliable for how far you are! seems the next hop in 2.6 is working.

[balmy osprey]

yeah.. only my good morning didn't go through.. we'll chalk that up as weather 🙂

[normal osprey]

@balmy osprey ok so the grand st node is across the east river from me in manhattan… which makes sense since my window faces that direction.

I can reliably DM that node. ack on every message.

[balmy osprey]

cool, wonder if he's on 2.6

[radiant cairn]

Yep, there’s absolutely NO licensed activity around here unfortunately

[balmy osprey]

I got into HAM radio first.. FYI.. found out same problems... need repeaters at high places.. which are hard to get.. hence.. meshtastic! : )

[radiant cairn]

More power, up to the 10 watt spread spectrum amateur limit for that mode, and amateur privileges on any band do not allow for encryption (except for control of satellites)

[radiant cairn]

For bands above hf, yes - but on HF you get the mirror like reflection of the ionosphere, so if you’re into texting direct around the world with no towers needed, HF packet is the way to go.

Meshtastic is perfect for if the SHTF and you want to keep in touch for neighborhood watch or other emcom activity in your neighborhood, or a radius of a mile or two. There’s no other option currently that is truly off grid and doesn’t require a license. BTW, this group is amazing, lots of knowledge here, and I’ve already made a few tweaks based on what others have suggested and posted 👍

[ashen shoal]

Upcoming 5 Boro bike tour might be a good chance to get a cheeky magnetic guerrilla node on the Verrazano

Wouldnt be able to reach it till the next bike tour though

[tropic gulch]

It's fun to think about but I wouldn't do that they do very heavy security

You don't want to inadvertently cause a Mooninite situation 🤣

[sonic prism]

I’ve seen some questions around “if the key is published is it really encryption?” but I’ve always thought encryption at all was a no-no (minus satellites)

[jaunty harness]

my limited understanding is there's a provision for "control" messages if you're running licensed that can be encrypted, otherwise has to be unencrypted... but it's never been clear on how that applies to LongFast with AQ== since technically encrypted though with a common/default PSK

[jaunty harness]

GrandSt is 2.5.x but has a raspi attached that in theory could do the update. Its one of the NYCMesh locations that Gardener has access to, shouldn't be moving around though as fixed install - some pics from the roof #1202833898376138752 message

[abstract iron]

I thought if you publish the key you're ok but I could be wrong.

[normal osprey]

that makes sense for why it’s so high up and works so well for me!!

[jaunty harness]

Yeah I hit it very consistently from east side of BQE, typically -5 to -8 SNR and sub -100 RSSI

[radiant cairn]

Not allowed… yet.

[sonic prism]

Not allowed by FCC or by the firmware? 🙂

[abstract iron]

well guys today my gf in S Slope moves in with me in WB so unfortunately I'll lose all the fun down here with cdef node etc heh

BUT im ready to do my birdhouse node up in WB

😂😂

tried to explore our S to N BK mesh as much as possible while down here

[jaunty harness]

hah congrats!

[normal osprey]

I welcome more Williamsburg nodes!!! I’m at Domino Park

[abstract iron]

yah!!

I got some Amazon bird feeder for my exterior side of window and I'm going to "accidentally " velcro a solar rokland to jtt

and try to get past my windows

[maiden thistle]

The Goodest Doggo will miss you 🦮

[bronze wren]

Goodest Doggo is by far my favorite node name.

[tropic gulch]

Sad I'm not showing up

[radiant cairn]

Both - firmware if licensed mode is turned on, then id is broadcast and encryption disabled

[abstract iron]

I go to industry city all the time so I'll be bouncing some slope nodes just not as frequently

[misty gorge]

Forgot about industry city. I should go back there in the spring to check it out again.

[jaunty harness]

work's got a space there effective... well I guess next week since sat is 1st so i'll be down there occasionally, which will be better than last place's space "near" there which was just across the alley from the fed detention center (where Luigi and Diddy and SBF are all hanging out)

[misty gorge]

Good old SBF. What's been happening with him?

You think SBF is trying to sell Diddy on crypto, and Luigi is planning to off Diddy?

[jaunty harness]

heh yeah ironic they stick the ceo killer in the same prison as... exceo SBF and bad boy entertainment ceo Diddy

[gaunt dirge]

New node up at the makerspace thanks to Spike!

Ill hopefully put it on the roof tomorrow or over the weekend

[jaunty harness]

is that the NYC Resistor / R2 I saw earlier?

[abstract iron]

Hey I saw a resistor node earlier near Hamilton bqe too

[gaunt dirge]

Yes thats it!

[daring moth]

I just plugged the node at #1300525496945348648 back in.

[daring moth]

I don't know why it keeps getting unplugged.

[gaunt dirge]

Prob people trying to save power lol

[daring moth]

I thought Meshtastic nodes use less power than a LED light bulb…

[jaunty harness]

~15mA (nRF) / ~65mA (ESP32) while idle

[daring moth]

Somebody on the Meshtastic subreddit said:

urban nyc, …, I also have access to rooftops all over the city.
(https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1izn8uj/comment/mf49onj/)

[quartz inlet]

@wooden hare

[jaunty harness]

that's not me but welcome!

[jaunty harness]

maybe also has access to the same NYCMesh locations as Gardener? oooh or Batman, he'd have unfettered access to every roof

[proven grove]

Or Spider-Man.

[jaunty harness]

true!!

[daring moth]

I'm not particular tech savvy
The OP said that in the top-level post, so I would assume not NYC Mesh.

[karmic junco]

This is when I was in Brooklyn down by the bridge. But this route is .. just.. kooky.

[balmy osprey]

so you changed the number of hops?

[daring moth]

Yep, many of us do.

[karmic junco]

Ya after someone said to I changed it to 7 or 10. I forget

What's crazy is the first hop is to the back of my car.

On a tlora32.

Which also adds to the whole chip fiasco

This is supposed to have the issue with the sensecap

[abstract iron]

sensecap Rx is nutty. it rxs stuff way inside my apt. I can barely get a cell signal in here

[jaunty harness]

max hops is 7 and even that ... is why we have nodes in North PA/CT showing up down here

[brazen spear]

Sub $15 node I'm considering producing a dozen of. Will have to make a good sticker for it, then will drop into the resistor vending machine thanks to @gaunt dirge

[karmic junco]

Ooh 15

[sonic prism]

whats the BOM?

[jaunty harness]

He's using the $10 Seeed ESP32S3 + WioSX1262... and buddy earlier sent me link to their new nRF version (for only $4 more!) https://www.seeedstudio.com/XIAO-nRF52840-Wio-SX1262-Kit-for-Meshtastic-p-6400.html

[sonic prism]

neat. I haven't been keeping up with Seeed I guess

[jaunty harness]

they've really been cranking out a lot of neat meshtastic stuff, there's a new all-in-one solar panel they announced yesterday that looks fantastic for simple solar setups

#events message <-- that one

[toxic warren]

added a few degrees of FOV

hope the dB loss is worth it ☺️

[jaunty harness]

looks great! thought about sharing on printables/thingiverse/makerworld/etc.. ? there's so few N-Type connector setups vs SMA

[toxic warren]

I used to put my designs on those sites and got tired of people selling them. One guy made a business selling my network rack mounts designs and sold hundreds of them. So now I sell instead of giving them away 🤷‍♂️

[jaunty harness]

ugh that's wack, but totally understandable

[tropic gulch]

I will buy this so fast

Are you guys able to hear my annoying 2.6 pizza node?

[jaunty harness]

hrmm, not seeing 🍕 but may be missing NODEINFO as did full nuke for 2.6

[balmy osprey]

@normal osprey wonder why my 1st daily message doesn't make it to you

[normal osprey]

i got your good morning message on LongFast

lots of messages today

i think that grandst node is clutch for me. seems to be connecting me to a lot of nodes

[karmic junco]

If the nrf is low enough power drain I'd get a few of these for the in car units

[jaunty harness]

well how low are you looking for? nRF is ~15mA idle, the esp32s3 is ~65mA - both are pretty ridiculously low already

(nRF is also not shipping until April vs the ESP32 version you can get now)

[daring moth]

I thought the ESP32-S3 kit is out of stock.

[jaunty harness]

hrmm, i haven't checked but last I ordered from seeed they shipped from the US Warehouse - maybe a reseller like digikey or mouse has stock?

huh, yeah seeed is showing backorder at both US/CN Warehouses

[daring moth]

Only Mouser, but they charge $17.

[jaunty harness]

I got one left - I'll sell it to for a mere $16.99 8)

(kidding, need the Wio radio to build an nRF version for buddy)

[warm isle]

Hi everyone! Just spun up a couple of RAK-based nodes in East Harlem and the Union Square area. New to LoRa and Meshtastic, but I build a lot of small electronics projects (though these were bought fully assembled).

I scrolled back a ways and did some reading, excited to join such an active and welcoming community and fill a couple of gaps in the mesh.

[tropic gulch]

Hell yeah

[jaunty harness]

welcome! deploying more CLIENT nodes is the best way to help the mesh for sure as they will relay / repeat packets improving reliability

[warm isle]

Ah good at least I did that right haha thanks!

[karmic junco]

https://www.seeedstudio.com/XIAO-ESP32S3-for-Meshtastic-LoRa-with-3D-Printed-Enclosure-p-6314.html

Not bad for a turnkey module

Do you mean this one?

At 15ma I can connect to a vehicle without worry about long term drain

Pretty significant .. that's a 4x power use

https://www.seeedstudio.com/Wio-SX1262-with-XIAO-ESP32S3-p-5982.html?qid=eyJjX3NlYXJjaF9xdWVyeSI6Ik1lc2h0YXN0aWMiLCJjX3RvdGFsX3Jlc3VsdHMiOjExLCJjX3NlYXJjaF9yZXN1bHRfdHlwZSI6IlByb2R1Y3QiLCJjX3NlYXJjaF9maWx0ZXJzIjoic3RvcmVDb2RlOltyZXRhaWxlcl0gJiYgcXVhbnRpdHlfYW5kX3N0b2NrX3N0YXR1czpbMV0iLCJjX3NlYXJjaF9yZXN1bHRfcG9zIjozfQ==

[jaunty harness]

that's the ESP32S3 version, this is the nRF52840 one : https://www.seeedstudio.com/XIAO-nRF52840-Wio-SX1262-Kit-for-Meshtastic-p-6400.html

[karmic junco]

Ooh so tempting.

[jaunty harness]

it's not actually using the same high density B2B connector the ESP32S3 version does so the one i built on my own is smaller since I did away with sockets and just did pins that I trimmed

[karmic junco]

Ahh

[karmic junco]

Does this have a charging circuit?

[jaunty harness]

yeah, unlike the ESP32S3 it has working ADC for Meshtastic on the battery input on the bottom of the PCB

[karmic junco]

Says 4.2. Guess it's only good for standard lithium

[jaunty harness]

yeah it's a BQ25100 on the nRF52840 which is LiOn/LiPo* only far as I'm aware

looks like the ESP32S3 version is SGM40567-4 which according to the datasheet Suitable for Li-Ion Phosphate Battery/Li-Ion/Polymer Li-Ion/Lithium Titanate/Nickel-Metal Hydride Secondary Battery and EDLC Capacitor Charging

[karmic junco]

Humm.

[jaunty harness]

If you’re doing more exotic battery chem you probably want to use external charger for them anyway

[karmic junco]

I have the one from keithmon. Have t opened the box for a year b

[karmic junco]

Though I don't consider lfp to really be exotic

[jaunty harness]

Mmm maybe less common would have been better? Needing specialized boards being part of the reason that they’re less common

[karmic junco]

Didn't mean it that way. But lfp is pretty common nowadays.

[pearl spire]

Hi everyone! Came here from reddit, New to meshtastic

I went up to my buildings roof (about 550ft) and held my node in the air next to the Chrysler building and seems like I wasn't able to reach anyone except my other node which was about 30ft downstairs. Someone suggested that nyc is tough especially on the default frequency slot, is there a different one worth trying?

[daring moth]

At least currently and to my knowledge, everyone here uses the default radio preset and frequency slot.

[pearl spire]

Ah thanks for that. It seems surprising that I can receive a ton of messages and see many nodes, but am unable to communicate with any of them. I'm using a muziworks antenna which seemed highly rated. The board I'm using is a heltec clone (2.1). Would you expect the message to propogate to anyone? Are there better antennas or is it possible that the boards I'm using are particularly poor?

[daring moth]

What's your channel utilization at? If it's too high, packet collisions will occur often.

[pearl spire]

6.7%, airutiltx is at 3.2%

[pearl spire]

Is that a reasonable utilization? It does drop down to 1% occasionally

[daring moth]

AFAIK, that's quite low, which is a good thing.

[pearl spire]

My other node, which is by the window, is showing 25% / 4%

[jaunty harness]

hello, welcome Austin!

25% is the threshold at which a CLIENT / CLIENT_MUTE node will delay transmission because like the rent, it's too damn high

it'll do some short few secs delay and then try again, and if below 25% it'll TX otherwise wait some more... if it's a packet with the node's "telemetry" or "position" it'll stop after, wanna say 3? maybe 5? attempts as it considers the busy-ness* of the mesh higher priority than those self-reported metrics

[pearl spire]

Ooh this is good to know. I now notice that it bursts, but when it gets high (25+) I start receiving messages in Longfast and new nodes (which are hops away) come online.

I can try to send again when I see it back at 1%

[normal osprey]

were your messages showing as delivered and no one was replying to you? or were you getting “max transmission reached”?

lots of nodes are unmonitored so people don’t reply. my node sits in my window all the time, even when i’m not home or connected to it.

[toxic warren]

@jaunty harness are you using Meshsense? Does it save messages to the application host?

[abstract iron]

haha hilarious amount of messages last night?

[karmic junco]

I've never seen 25 percent.. ever

But that's me . Even in the city I don't see that.

[tropic gulch]

Oh yeah I saw that post lol

[pearl spire]

Dms say acknowledged. The ones in the Longfast room only say delivered when I have both nodes, otherwise they say timed out - I think it's only delivering to my other node

[pearl spire]

Mine regularly Burts to 25.x% it sometimes hovers around 14% but a lot of the times I've tried when it said 1% too

[jaunty harness]

Yes to MeshSense, no to saving messages - the "message" packets are xferred to MeshSense same as to official Meshtastic.app and then disappear from the node, and it has a ~2hr window of packets before they roll-off it's display for new packets

[jaunty harness]

sorry if I wasn't super clear last night, it was late and I'd just finished maintenance for work... the 25% threshold is specifically channel utilization not airtime

NYC is basically RF hostile environment with all the steel and concrete, and then the 915MHz band we're using is shared/public so you have interference from things like Amazon's Sidewalk, Helium and other mesh-networking projects like Rnode and Reticulum, and more general commercial things like RFID anti-theft tags and HVAC/Gas/Water meters

[pearl spire]

This is clear, I assumed this when reporting the utilization

[pearl spire]

This makes sense. Do you think there is anything I can do to be able to send a message to Longfast from my location, or am I OOL trying to use meshtastic from my current location, irrespective of height.

[jaunty harness]

that is... why we are here 😄

I think what might be happening when you test from the roof is your messages may actually be getting out cause you're in amazing position to TX but not as good to RX since most nodes aren't also at that height, so a message could be getting out ok just not seeing the ack since your RX wouldn't be as good unless someone else was also at a similiar height and had decent line of sight to you

the mesh is also dynamic (read: chaotic) it literally changes moment to moment because of potential interference, mobile clients, humidity in the air, etc...

another possible problem is everyone on default LongFast channel, we're all spamming 906.875MHz - that includes brand new users as well as people who've had a node up for 2 years on ancient firmware, switching to a different preset or using a secondary channel likely would make some difference (how much I don't know)

[daring moth]

This is what I'm thinking as well. What if we coordinate a Meshtastic network on a non-default frequency slot, and lay out some ground rules, such as only using CLIENT_MUTE unless multiple of us agree on exceptions for certain nodes, and set a minimum firmware version.

[jaunty harness]

hrmmm, idk - that would almost def cut off new users from finding us and us them vs trying to get people off ROUTER_CLIENT and pre 2.5.x firmware but it would likely make some reliability improvement

even without trying MediumFast we could def create a private channel and have the PSK pinned in here so easily shared and we could see if things are better/worse moving off default 906.875MHz without cutting ourselves off from default LongFast or even changing modem presets

[jaunty harness]

question for anyone else w/T-Deck running MUI and using droberin's python script to download tiles - what zoom/coords settings are you using? I've got zoom.out 5 / zoom.in 15 and my region is 40.4,-75,41.22,-73.15 which seems to be right about what I was looking for, but def curious what others are using

[graceful obsidian]

Chat gpt helped give me a script for any spot i found
Current issue is that the tiles arnt actually displaying. It recognizes the maps but they wont render

[daring moth]

that would almost def cut off new users from finding us
We could setup pairs of ESP32-S3 nodes on the same WiFi network, and take advantage of https://meshtastic.org/blog/meshtastic-2-6-preview/#meshtastic-over-lan-udp--now-on-esp32 to bridge the networks together.

[daring moth]

We would want to find a way to prioritize messages over every other packet type.

[jaunty harness]

Welcome Cade! What do you mean "recognized but they wont render" ... like you press/hold the map icon on left can see the tilesets in the picker, but only seeing blank/missing tiles in the map view?

[jaunty harness]

ooooooo I missed that with all the other good stuff in 2.6! that is def interesting possibility, would probably want them somewhat spread apart to not have their RF interfering with each other but that's nothing crazy

[balmy osprey]

I see a new router_client node and also some routers.. how do we track those guys down?

COuld they be messing up the mesh? i.e. will my client try to go to router first, even though it's 2 hops away?

[tropic gulch]

I'm a little confused about licensed operator mode. Since technically the primary channel is using a encryption key that everyone knows by default shouldn't the primary channel in hand mode be the same thing

I guess the question is, in New York City if one turns on license operator mode, are they basically just limited to talking to other hams on the mesh?

Oh just RTFM yep it makes me a ham only

[jaunty harness]

we start spamming messages for them to update and stop using infra roles in high density areas... cause what happens if they will re-xmit before clients which kills pathing if they're not actually up high on a remote mountain

dongerz - yeah, basically unencrypted only... N1UGK tried it for a week or so and basically no other nodes to talk to/with

[tropic gulch]

Maybe the default should be no encryption for everyone

That way new people that come on and set up routers realize there's no traffic and then googles and finds this room haha

[graceful obsidian]

exactly. tried both the pre made on github as well as my own with the tile script. im trying to trouble shoot in the mui maps thread

[jaunty harness]

ahhh k - yeah your SD card is good and its seeing the tilesets - I found the github ones were mainly EU so not really useful but then loaded up gps-coordinates.net and plugged those coords into the config.yaml for droberin's script (https://gist.github.com/droberin/b333a216d860361e329e74f59f4af4ba) and was able to get good detail/zoom for NYC

which script are you using to grab the tiles, same or a different one?

[jaunty harness]

hah, or better yet - this gets implemented (mandatory remote admin to be able to switch to infra role) https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/issues/5851

[graceful obsidian]

im using the https://github.com/fistulareffigy/MTD-Script

[jaunty harness]

ahh, i'd suggest trying with droberin's - its been working great for me (or others) to get working tilesets

[graceful obsidian]

am i getting issues causes for ripple?

[graceful obsidian]

trying it now

[jaunty harness]

you can also try dumping these into your sd card > maps > thunderforest > atlas dir https://porkcu.be/maps.zip which should be NYC area with decent zoom level

[normal osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/liam-neeson-i-will-find-you-taken-gif-5593626

[graceful obsidian]

thanks man, i have the script from droberin running right now

[graceful obsidian]

still no luck

[jaunty harness]

that sucks, I had a lot of probs initially cause of a stinky sd card that worked fine on any computer I tried but the t-deck would never recognize at all but seems like yours is recognized if you're getting the tileset drop down (should also be able to see it in the main screen if you scroll down). have you tried another sd card though? it could be something that silly.

another thing would be to try panning around and maybe zooming way out to see if any tiles show up that way, my maps.zip has one zoom level that doesn't render but zoom in and it works or zoom out and it uses less detailed tiles i had also downloaded previously before customizing the config.yaml zoom.int/zoom.out values

if you have a UART GPS handy can hook that up to the grove header above the power switch and try and get a solid GPS lock - your screen shows 38 / -121 coordinates which is just east of San Fran so my maps.zip wouldn't help as they're 2500 miles away for NYC

[graceful obsidian]

i know, i was making my own

let me try a new SD. i just joined here cause i saw someone else had the map issue

[proven grove]

I had no idea they finally released this AND, which makes me even more happy, they're offering just the radio HAT(or whatever you call a board that goes under another one). Just ordered one of the kits and 3 radio addons, and 2 XIAO Pluses.

[jaunty harness]

ahhhh ok - in that case try droberin's script but in the config.yaml try this zones: Cali: zoom: out: 5 in: 15 regions: - 37.0,-122.0,39.0,-120.0 map: style: atlas provider: thunderforest reduce: 12

[graceful obsidian]

@jaunty harness it was the sd card you wizzard

[jaunty harness]

AWESOME! Yeah SD cards on ESP32 are... picky - super awesome you got it working though!

[graceful obsidian]

appreicate the help

[jaunty harness]

yeah though its slightly modified from the esp32 version, like the user button is exposed on the side of the pcb instead of on top which makes it so you can do nRF on top or on bottom

[daring moth]

*pre-ordered

[proven grove]

I mean, they said "back ordered" for some of them lol

[balmy osprey]

can someone explain how my T-Deck got 2 messages, while my OGS Solar node (which is what really drives the T-deck) didn't get them?

got a mesage that said 20:29 from f25a and PYT! in my t-deck which is inside my house, but the solar node on the roof, nothing

[proven grove]

I mean, there's a ton of possibilities and variables. It's not like it's 99.99999% message delivery lol. The node inside could have had a clearer LOS to the sending node. The antennas could be another factor. Environmental interference, etc. hard to say for sure.

[balmy osprey]

The node inside is on my floor 🙂 my solar node is sitting on the roof... my solar node is client, my t-deck is client_mute

[jaunty harness]

could be whatever you heard relaying is not up high enough for roof to hear clearly vs the tdeck inside

[abstract iron]

moving chaos but took a second to put the 3m tape on the bird house

[jaunty harness]

HAH I have the same King Kong

[abstract iron]

it's pretty cool right

if I can get my kid to pose any mesh x figures photos I'll post

btw you all saw Bandai Namco has a new store at Industry City? #tangent

[jaunty harness]

oooo I hadn't, looks like its in the building with all the japanese food vendors which makes sense

[brazen spear]

This is awesome. Are they all connecting to the wider network?

[jaunty harness]

Gardner - it ain’t pretty but got the INA219 setup and working and swapping in the window later to get the #s for 1W node

Also wtf, 45 nodes in the db in 10mins (fully wiped and installed 2.6.0 built from src)

Fresh app pairing too, was testing some of the other nodes so it’s been cycling on app side

[jaunty harness]

PX: so … you know Kicad/EasyEDA? 😉

It’s need a custom variant.h to remap some pins but that’s trivial if you’re going to the route of swapping the radios

[abstract iron]

got my bird node out not sure what prop I'll get

ZLLAS solar

[toxic warren]

what firmware should I be on

?

i have a Wisblock RAK4631 and T-echo

[abstract iron]

I just run whatever the newest beta is but I could be wrong

[misty gorge]

If you want it to just work without man surprises.. 2.5.20

I'm running that on my R1 right now and it's been solid.

[maiden thistle]

I was going to try 2.5.21 Alpha and the notes said a full flash erase is recommended. I decided on 2.6 instead since that also needs a wipe

[jaunty harness]

yeah anything >=2.5.20 is good, there was LFS corruption bugs that got squashed but the full nuke + cfg restore is recommended to be sure your node is clear of any potential issues from running pre-2.5.0-2.5.19 that could still have corruption

[toxic warren]

i kind of want to try 2.6 on both my nodes. One is haeadless so wont benefit from the new local UI but want to get going with Next-hop routing

what preparation is needed before flashing? what is the full-nuke?

just reset to factory with the app first?

[maiden thistle]

Back up your keys

[jaunty harness]

https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/security/#security-keys---backup-and-restore

[toxic warren]

do I need them if I only have a common channel with my other node? Which I will also update.

i just want to set them up from new.

again

[maiden thistle]

You'll get new keys on a wipe and that will affect DMs with every node you've exchanged keys with

[jaunty harness]

yeah, basically it breaks the cryptography for DMs for a while

[maiden thistle]

To fix that, everyone will need to remove your node and let it exchange keys again. Or restore your keys to avoid all of this

Meshtastic 2.6 introduces a more reliable way to handle device state and node data by separating them into distinct files. Previously, both were stored together, meaning that a single flash memory issue could result in data loss or system instability. <- This part made me choose 2.6 over 2.5.23

[maiden thistle]

So I only know how to use the web flasher. After you choose your device and firmware, click on the tiny trashcan next to the Flash button and there are instructions on how to full wipe

[toxic warren]

well this will be easy since I've only exchanged DMs with Zilla lol

when I'm backing up keys do I only need the Public Key and Private key from the Security Config (Android) or do I need the PSK for every channel?

[jaunty harness]

you need the privatekey (it can now regenerate the pubkey from the privatekey) and also the PSK for every channel that isn't default LongFast / AQ==

[abstract iron]

is there Any responsible setting I should use for neighbor announcement or anything on my window node or just let it distill what it hears

[jaunty harness]

name it your old firmware hurts the mesh 😈

shouldn't need to do anything other than let it and the mesh do their thing

[toxic warren]

ok i'm all updated to 2.6

thanks for guidance

[jaunty harness]

welcome to the future!

[toxic warren]

i saw your contribution on the github. Congrats and thanks

[misty gorge]

I got you in astoria, Spock

[abstract iron]

I got you up in WB

just cant reply

[jaunty harness]

window heard it but not the desk node (prolly window was at max hops? running normal meshtastic.app currently to get 1min power metrics from E22-900M30S radio)

[toxic warren]

oh sweet

if we set up an encrypted channel (not DM) to test that's not LongFast would that possibly make any difference in reliability? anyone want to test it?

[abstract iron]

I'll try but my understanding is we would need to get everyone along a hop path to do that

And there's only Long Slow or something with more link budget

[jaunty harness]

yeah you need to change your radio's modem preset off LongFast so all channels will be on the new preset as well - we've discussed giving MediumFast a shot when its warmer out (yesterday was suuuuure temping, but need a little more leeway on time to better coordinate) since it's in theory 1/2 the transmission time at a minor cost in range, and range isn't really our problem

[toxic warren]

i have an extra stationary node (Kirk) I can dedicate to testing. just let me know

[jaunty harness]

yeah its mostly just being warm enough to stand being out on a roof for a bit to improve chances of reception, and having something to talk to radio and discord so we can actually communicate reliably when it's time to switch / switch back and if we're getting through

[toxic warren]

you definitely didnt want to do that today. You'd be a frozen cube of pork 🙂

[jaunty harness]

without switching off LongFast we could setup a private channel which will at least move us off default 906.875MHz frequency it uses and see if nudging up/down from there helps at all

the other thing with abandoning LongFast is... new people will never find us unless there's something to bridge MediumFast<->LongFast which has been done before via MQTT but Supermath has the idea to use (2) ~$10 ESP32S3+Wio1262 radios on the same WLAN to talk oer TCP to do the bridge

[toxic warren]

is it just this setting?

and why do we need to move from Longfast to Mediumfasat? Can't we just stay on Longfast and change to a differnet frequency channel number?

[jaunty harness]

everyone else on default LongFast in US is slot 20 which is why when you make a different primary and recreate default LongFast as secondary you set it to slot 20

changing presets just immediately cuts off all the older firmware clients *and everyone else on LongFast, using a shared LongFast channel not on 906.875MHz/slot 20 helps eliminate that specific slot as problematic

[toxic warren]

Yeah I'm down to try. Someone DM me a channel and a PSK 👍🏼

[abstract iron]

this is from my t1000e deep inside apt

👀

[brazen spear]

Yeah those 6dbi fiberglass antennas rock. My friend is in China and I asked him to bring a few more back with him since they only cost like $10 there.

[normal osprey]

@brazen spear Is the GrandSt node one of yours? That node has been so clutch for me!

[normal osprey]

where could i pick one of those up? i’m gonna be putting an outdoor node on my friends balcony and just need an antenna now

[daring moth]

Yes: #1202833898376138752 message

[normal osprey]

very nice. thank you!!

[karmic junco]

Dunno if this is better or worse for my health than buying some cigars. Lol

[jaunty harness]

Gardener put upLilyBX 9e92 GrandSt 351e Vernon 7ae3 SouthSlope cdef Resistor 2ab9 ... did I miss any?

i feel like i'm missing one

[normal osprey]

What a legend! Aside from once, I can consistently traceroute directly to GrandSt and back.

[jaunty harness]

Prospect a031 is also him, though a.li3n and myself have made some hardware donations to enable him - and I believe GRNCH is how he got the Resistor node up too. But yeah, man got a lot of great nodes up with his access - be sure and thank him before he disappears until next winter 8)

[normal osprey]

a.li3n is who donated the node I’m working on putting on my friends balcony!! Awesome dude!

Thanks for all yalls work!

[karmic junco]

This is all good until we switch to long med

[jaunty harness]

long...medium?

[normal osprey]

Long Moderate?

[jaunty harness]

LongFast aka LongFatChance

[cyan drum]

so wild how active this channel is now lol

I'm in south Brooklyn in Bay Ridge

[toxic warren]

If someone could kindly get access to the roof of this building......

I will donate the node

[jaunty harness]

https://tenor.com/druEH10VQ5z.gif

[abstract iron]

man I can rx more than ever but tx phew nope

[jaunty harness]

i just realized I had left the window node in CLIENT_MUTE, switched back to CLIENT and need to reset my #s on battery drain but hey I got a TR off to AMR2 (and it was direct!)

zilla - i have a spare 1W node if you wanna try the shouting routing 8)

[abstract iron]

Oh man yeah. I would love to.

Or else im going to put a 1500W amp on a node to blow through these windows at work

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duga_radar

goals

[jaunty harness]

AHHHHH, I remember that from OG S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series

[karmic junco]

Lol sorry.. was so tired.

@jaunty harness I also ended up ordering a whole load of stuff.

[jaunty harness]

oooo what sorta goodies you got coming?

[daring moth]

I assume @px885 got the items pictured above.

[jaunty harness]

oh ahh i missed that last night... that's some good stuff

[normal osprey]

i’m definitely grabbing that 6 cable charger next time i order from them

[jaunty harness]

gotta also get the T1000E hook-strap!

[normal osprey]

The snap hook is clutch! I’m gonna make sure all my T1000s have it, a spare charger for each, and then this 6 charger for home.

[jaunty harness]

I have my T1000E in one of these https://www.printables.com/model/1070854-holster-for-seeed-studio-t1000-e-meshtastic-tracke because it was sent as a gift, had I ordered I woulda gotten the hook

[normal osprey]

I use this case for everyday carry

and this harness mount for music festivals

[jaunty harness]

ooooo nice, and button is still usable around the hex pattern I take it?

[normal osprey]

yup and it has a space for the charger

[jaunty harness]

hah yeah I noticed the charger clearance but wasn't sure on the user button

[normal osprey]

and it makes sure the button doesn’t get pressed in my bag during flights etc

[abstract iron]

who's f25a? I dumped my nodedb

[jaunty harness]

that's HAQER / Domino Park f25a far as I know

[daring moth]

There's a warning on the product webpage, that if a pair of chargers get magnetically stuck together, they'll create a short circuit.

[normal osprey]

Wow thanks for the heads up and that makes sense. I’ll be careful.

[abstract iron]

oh nice!

haqer can you trace 4422 if that was your ack? I'm 4422

[jaunty harness]

I got it at 3 hops ~30mins ago, trying TR now

and looks like no dice on the TR from Meshsense

[abstract iron]

hmmmmmmmmmm k

[karmic junco]

I had it in my cart from lsst time...but because most everything this time is from China. I ordered it together

[karmic junco]

Which is also surprising... Depends on the polarity of the magnets. In theory if they stuck together in the same ++ and -- you'd just get twice the amps and just be a parallel connection

If they are always orienting the magnets the same way

If they are random.. then perhaps you'd do +- +-

Since output of these cables is always a constant 5v

[daring moth]

Opposites attract (with magnets). Thus, let's say the polarity of the electronic connections are +-+-, then +-+- will be touching nearly the same, but rotated 180°, which happens to be -+-+.

[karmic junco]

Did I reverse it in my head? 😭

Doh. Forgot they can flip the other way. Hahahha. I need to sleep

[abstract iron]

the magnet on the t1000e cable is really strong. snaps all over everything

[normal osprey]

yeah so i got notifications that you sent me two DMs but when i click on your node in DMs, i don’t see the messages and i don’t have your completed nodeinfo

you’re 3 hops away and no response on two trace routes @abstract iron

[normal osprey]

yes that was my ack earlier. i can message you in longfast but i can’t see your messages in dm

my nodedb used to settle at around 120-140 nodes from my window. I’m over 200 nodes now. only recent changes i know are 2.6 and the GrandSt node.

[abstract iron]

weird

I think there's someone to the south that mesh repeats me

but not north

when I'm at work

and whoever is South gets me over into Grand St or something

if only there was sort of like a protocol that could trace hops 🤔🦝

[normal osprey]

i’m getting a bunch of DMs but i can’t see them when i got into my DMs lol

[abstract iron]

I got a trace!!

[normal osprey]

wow now you’re showing 4 hops away and still incomplete nodeinfo

but it’s good to know that my routes are consistently going through GrandSt which means that next hop in 2.6 is probably working

[abstract iron]

2.6 can run on only selected devices or all?

[normal osprey]

Should run on most or all devices but I’ve only put it on one of my T-Echoes for now (Domino Park f25a)

[jaunty harness]

any device in the official launcher can get you 2.6 with the konami code, otherwise you gotta compile yourself as mrekin's didn't have 2.6.0 builds last I checked (e.g. for Xiao-BLE)

[brazen spear]

They're available on rokland

[brazen spear]

Prospect a031

[toxic warren]

@normal osprey

[toxic warren]

Got a tracert to you with both nodes. But can't message you

[jaunty harness]

i see Spock but I don't think i've gotten nodeinfo from Kirk in a while... what's the !userid on it?

[toxic warren]

!f29d9149

[jaunty harness]

huh, interestingly I have no nodeinfo (so just !userid), but also no position or telemetry... in meshsense just saw one DM/private channel encrypted packet 2hours ago

spock however has been showing up just fine

is kirk also on 2.6? and did you do the key backup + nuke/erase before updating?

[toxic warren]

Yes I backed up and erased both nodes. Then restored from backup. Yes both on 2.6

Is this you?

[jaunty harness]

yeah though that's *stale, i switched off CLIENT_MUTE like.. 8? hours ago

[toxic warren]

Weird it says you pinged 50 mins ago

[jaunty harness]

weird indeed, i only see PRK9 sending telemetry and I think that's the 1min -> app packet but i guess one went out to the mesh

[toxic warren]

I only show that node (81b5) on both of mine here

[jaunty harness]

huh, it's been in the window for close to 48hrs but yeah I had it client_mute until I realized earlier I hadn't swapped to client

[toxic warren]

Kirk is on Client and Spock client_mute. I see that Kirk is missing a few nodes that Spock has. Like Zilla is only on Spock (T-echo)

[abstract iron]

I just 2.6 all my nodes

I didn't actually initiate a factory reset first, I just let the fw update do it, and all my config was gone. Then I reconfig. that's what we were supposed to?

I mean they all seem to be working and can see Grand St 🫡

[toxic warren]

i think as long as you get the same security keys back in there then it should be ok. I guess you need the keys for any channel you wanted to keep too

but one of my nodes still hasn't shown a few regulars yet. But i guess it deosnt matter since mesaging through mesh doesnt work anyway lol

[abstract iron]

All I had was the default key (0x0 or whatever) for longfast

and no other channels

When I got home today I saw I was actually able to TX from work to my birdhouse node at home, but the birdhouse could not get a response out

that's something!

Probably along similar routes to Haqer

birdhouse is that rokland mini solar node

so it has an internal antenna

Btw I also saw ChanUtil of 28 % on my t1000e facing downtown today at work(!!!)

[normal osprey]

thank you! the route to me is interesting going through edd3. the route back is what I expected routing through old faithful GrandSt here.

I’m looking at this 6 dBi outdoor antenna recommended by @brazen spear but it is N-female. Does anyone have a recommendation for a comparable outdoor 6dBi white colored antenna but with an N-male connector?

or is it ok to use an N-female to N-male adapter?

https://store.rokland.com/products/low-profile-6-dbi-n-female-omni-outdoor-915-mhz-antenna-for-helium-rak-miner-2-nebra-indoor-syncrob-it-bobcat

[abstract iron]

each adapter takes some signal loss but I don't know if a N gender flip results in much. N is afaik a great connector at many ghz above our use

[normal osprey]

thank you. yeah i’m worried about introducing signal loss and an additional variable for an outdoor node.

[abstract iron]

as for a product sorry idk. I almost wonder if weather is more important than signal loss? someone who has done a tower /roof should chime in ......

[normal osprey]

yah weather is pretty harsh as it’s 35 stories up so very windy

might be better to just get an N-male antenna then

[abstract iron]

yeah I wonder if less adapters better for weather etc

Is Squonk in here?

[normal osprey]

Might go with this option

https://a.co/d/36kMI1t

[still fjord]

@normal osprey id like to hear @brazen spear 's opinion on the rokland antenna. got the 5.8db with 8 inch n-female to ipex so hopefully not too much loss. Seem to hit the same nodes i always have, just a bit stronger. I mounted it ~5' higher than my $5 amazon antenna and seemingly got 0 extra distance than the cheapo antenna.

[edgy blaze]

What happened?!

[proven grove]

Wild seeing a node I made randomly pop up on my way to work

@brazen spear - is this set to CLIENT_MUTE because it's not deployed yet and it's still on the bench?

[normal osprey]

@abstract iron thanks for the donuts 😂

[jaunty harness]

that's me every time I see SouthSlope cdef

[brazen spear]

N female is good, you can pass it through an enclosure and attach the n to ipex inside the box. Much easier to waterproof and more durable than an outside connection.

[normal osprey]

Thanks! The node I have is already built like this so not sure i’d be able to do that for this one

I found an N-male antenna that I ordered and will report back here how it goes. thanks!

[brazen spear]

I did build one like that without issue

Just wrap it up with electrical tape and silicone around the passthrough space.

[normal osprey]

Thanks! I ordered Rokland Roktape for wrapping the connection per aliens recommendation.

https://store.rokland.com/products/tape-helium-antenna-and-coaxial-cable-self-fusing-silicone-heat-water-resistant

[brazen spear]

Yeah that's better than electrical tape

But silicone is best for the passthrough with the angles

You can get a little squeezy tube of exterior silicone at any hardware store.

[normal osprey]

and put it around the base of the connector picture above?

[proven grove]

That's the inside of it

[proven grove]

@normal osprey The tape would go around here

[radiant cairn]

All connections must be treated for weather - for example wrapping in temflex and then a UV covering. No antenna connection is weatherproof out of the box (by itself).

Wind will certainly cause static buildup - this can wipe out the front end on any receiver, so there are methods for draining off static which must be done to prevent damage to the receiver. Also, along the same lines, lightning protection is absolutely something that needs to be done as well, without that, you could be bringing lighting discharges into your dwelling.

[normal osprey]

How bad would the lightning threat be on a 35th floor balcony of a 40 story apt building? I imagine it’s not as bad as if it were on the roof. What could I do for lightning protection?

and what is the solution for static buildup? cuz it IS a very windy corner, like furniture zip tied to the balcony so it doesn’t fly off

[radiant cairn]

I’m no expert on lightning , typically it will hit the first path to ground, likely the highest point on a building which has a path to ground, but if you aren’t bringing anything into your dwelling (like a coax run into a radio inside), it’s a moot point.

[normal osprey]

I’ll have the unit plugged into the (gfci protected i’m assuming) outdoor outlet for power

[radiant cairn]

For static discharge, most receivers or antennas have a matching transformer in there, and at DC, there’s a path to ground, no issues - but for these Lora devices, not sure if there is any such ground, same with the antennas. You could just run a wire from the metal on the outside of the connector to a path to ground, such as earth ground (the gnd wire on an electrical box), etc. you can test for path to ground using a continuity meter - between outside of the antenna connector or metallic base of the antenna and the earth ground on an electrical box - I mention static because at your altitudes, wind can cause quite a buildup of static, and if you find nodes eventually crap out and don’t receive any longer that could be the cause.

Then again these devices are so inexpensive if you blow out the receiver, just plug a new chip or board in there. Not worth the effort.

Is anyone else here having issues with the web ui (from the Meshtastic node, not the hosted web ui), erroring out and not able to decode settings from the node correctly? Having this on the latest beta, and even after a full erase and reset

[toxic warren]

i would think just having the enclosure mounted to something metal that's a bit larger would prevent too much of a difference in potential. Even if its a plastic enclosure. Running a wire from the ground / metal on the connector could introduce more loss than it's worth. The static that builds up on the antenna will be shared by the entire enclosure. Even if its plastic

[toxic warren]

instead of an adapter you can just replace the uFL/IPX to N connector that goes to the board with one that works with that antenna

https://www.ebay.com/itm/165719577189?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=O89FUavuRxK&sssrc=2047675&ssuid=s4mIv0KZR_i&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Looks like Jason is sold out of those

https://store.rokland.com/products/uflipex-ipx-mini-pci-to-n-male-pigtail-cable-extension-rg178

[normal osprey]

thanks! this is really good to keep in mind. I already bought a compatible N-male antenna last night and will see how that works out.

Will definitely tape the connector and put some silicon where the antenna meets the enclosure.

[brazen spear]

In the future if you have the possibility of running the node powered through poe, that can be your ground. Or if you use the metal bracket for your antenna, you can incorporate that into your enclosure's mounting system then it will be grounded through the mount.

[toxic warren]

then you have to chose what PoE switch to use as the lightning arrestor ⚡ ⚡ 😂

[abstract iron]

man there is very little / no coverage in Greenpoint

on a t1000e on the ground, I mean

[jaunty harness]

Yeah I think something in LIC would help reliability to/from Astoria and high enough to cover Greenpoint

[brazen spear]

Outdoor ethernet cable has a ground line built-in

But a lightning strike is cooking any of this kit no matter what 🤣

[toxic warren]

i was setting up outdoor PoE cams at my pop's house and we decided on SFP / fiber as a "air gap" between switches. Good way to isolate in case of lighting.

[normal osprey]

the outdoor node i’m working on will be directly facing greenpoint from marsha p johnson park

[toxic warren]

@jaunty harness stll dont have you on my Kirk node. Show up yet for you?

[jaunty harness]

I hadn’t seen Kirk when I last looked at MeshSense earlier today but Spock keeps showing up fine. I’m out of town until tomorrow night so hopefully NODEINFO comes in by then

[edgy blaze]

I saw Kirk and Spock (and 10 others) from NJ overnight.

[jaunty harness]

Passing through Springfield, MA and seeing those North CT “Westfield” 7 hoppers, except direct or single-hop for a change

[misty gorge]

Mmm cigars...haven't had one in a bit. Maybe when it gets a bit warmer.

[abstract iron]

lots of traffic today

tonight

window bird node I can rx more

[normal osprey]

similar but different view of LongFast for me

[karmic junco]

That t1000e definitely has some reach

I see it but can't get a response. Direct message showed a cloud with a check

[abstract iron]

yah my t1e has great rx

[jaunty harness]

Hah I also am rocking a T1E right now (finally playing with it). Cambridge, MA mesh be popping, seeing nodes all the way up in NH too

[abstract iron]

you got elevation or just a lot of nodes there?

I've only had my mesh gear (stationary --not driving and unable to operate) in NYC and non-philly PA. hoping to check out Philly

[jaunty harness]

I’ve just been ground level or 2nd flr, just a lot less giant towers of concrete and steel towers and only one ROUTER_CLIENT 😃

Way higher % of pre 2.5.x firmwares too, like probably 75%ish

[abstract iron]

wow really

[abstract iron]

anyone get 4bec

[still fjord]

Picked up 4bec in Jersey

[proven grove]

Go fish

[abstract iron]

spock got you in Williamsburg

just cant reply

[abstract iron]

wonder if a t1e on a roof is a good guerilla node?

[daring moth]

You'd need to swap it out every other day for a fully charged node, but maybe…

[daring moth]

That assumes t1e is short for the Seeed Studio SenseCap Card Tracker T1000-E.

[abstract iron]

yes

near roof not one of these amazing locs we have here

just so I can get out of the apt

[normal osprey]

it’s IP65, not IP68 so can it be left on a roof for long periods like that?

[jaunty harness]

GPS off I’m getting classic amazing nRF batt life -13% in past 8hrs most of which was in data center basement (tbf it is literally taken out of box, connected to computer to config, drained to 75% then topped back up to 100%)

Just turned gps back on, cause the 1min pos to app is great for a trip tracker

[gaunt dirge]

Yup that's me!

[toxic warren]

Raining cats and dogs!

[abstract iron]

ngl I left my rokland solar, taped around edges with silicon tape, out in this

it's still working

[toxic warren]

Water finds a way in. It always finds a way in 😲

[abstract iron]

heh def

[normal osprey]

was just gonna mention rokland roktape as it was recommended to me for my antenna

[toxic warren]

I'd recommend spooging up with silicone. Make it reaaaaal ugly. Honestly anything you do will be fine.

I don't have any tape or silicone on this. I doubt very few people do when they run a mobile ham antenna

You just swap it out after it gets all rusty 😄

Type N spec is supposed to have o-rings and some water resistance

[abstract iron]

it's still working

I mean nobody can hear me but I can ping the bird node with my inside t1e

[abstract iron]

what is your set up?

[toxic warren]

This is just a WisBlock with "window coax" and a Alfa antenna. I have the antenna outside.

[toxic warren]

I wonder if my T-echo has less loss overall than this external antenna setup lol

[maiden thistle]

No need to wonder. On both devices, look at the snr and rssi of the nearest 0 hop node

[normal osprey]

I’m gonna stick with best practices and put silicon where the connector meets the enclosure and roktape around the antenna connection.

This is gonna be mounted pretty high with harsh winds and weather so don’t wanna take any chances. It’s also a community node that will hopefully help connect parts of Queens and Brooklyn.

Let me know if anyone sees this new node, Meshtastic fa5a. Gonna test from Domino Park for a bit before deploying it outdoors near Marsha P Johnson Park.

[abstract iron]

saw you just now fa5a

I ackd on the mesh....😂

[normal osprey]

Thanks! I’m seeing some acks and other messages now. Antenna seems to be working well. Reset nodeDB around 10pm and have picked up 43 nodes since.

[toxic warren]

I acked you (fa5a) on longfast @normal osprey

And sent a DM

Good range

[jaunty harness]

I saw you ack request and fa5a's ❤️ - rain def ain't stopping him

[normal osprey]

This thing has some serious range! It’s a 5.8 dBi antenna. Most of the direct nodes are showing full signal.

Getting traceroutes back from several nodes also.

[jaunty harness]

awesome! should be even better without the rain

[karmic junco]

I must not be playing with the app enough. That's part of the mapping?

[karmic junco]

In reality a tennis can shouldn't decrease effectiveness much. Certain increases it's rain performance

[karmic junco]

Man this weather really decreased connections. Or one of the major nodes is down

I reset my node db and can't see anyone

Lol as soon as I said that I see Astoria from Woodside

[abstract iron]

idk if coincidence but I had to restart my app this morning

everything seemed offline

[abstract iron]

anybody get my t1e from the bridge?

[jaunty harness]

Yeah it shows both under node’s Node Map or in the Mesh Map cause has 1 min data - was a pleasant surprise!

[abstract iron]

yah same on android. has a few GPS errors. I was never in Yonkas

but it logs a lot

[jaunty harness]

oh huh, I def had some gps wandering but nothing 10miles off

[past ledge]

I've had an outdoor solar node deployed out at my dads place in NJ for a while - last time I opened it I found quite a bit of condensation in the sealed enclosure - Opened it to flash and there was a proper puddle inside. my understanding is one can remedy this by drilling a little drain hole in the bottom of an enclosure, or installing a vent but curious what other folks have experienced

[bronze wren]

A sillica gel pouch or any desiccant might help as well. I should start saving these when I get them in packages.

[radiant cairn]

Yes, without a vent or small hole at the bottom, condensation will eventually pool and that’s from both temp changes and pressure changes.

[past ledge]

oh that's a great tip, I'll add that! thank you!

[jaunty harness]

yeah drain hole + silica is the move - you can get packs that will change color when they've absorbed a certain % and then chuck in the oven or microwave to heat the water back out and reuse it (have big ones I use for 3d printer filament storage)

[abstract iron]

my rokland solar is still working today!

I didn't have a chance to see if it has water pooled up

[maiden thistle]

I use an air fryer for 30 mins @ 180f. You can use a gram scale to weigh the difference

My 50g packets are 42g-44g after the air fryer

[jaunty harness]

ahh, s-m-r-t! i just like the color changing ones cause it's instantly obvious

[toxic warren]

So what's the situation with ROUTERs and ROUTER_CLIENTs? I heard you really shouldn't use that unless you are on a broadcasting tower. But my node sees 4 ROUTERs right now. Could that be mucking up the meshing?

[daring moth]

Nodes with those roles inhibit all CLIENT nodes that are in range from rebroadcasting themselves, irrespective of whether the ROUTER is actually in the best elevation to do so.

[toxic warren]

How many router roles do you guys see?

[jaunty harness]

too many

Harlem Relay, Gobo, Oopso, Brooklyn Solar Node, NER0 or NEM0 (forget which is router and which client), Westfield in NJ and at least two others that are slipping my mind / without cheating and looking at an app 8p

[toxic warren]

Is there a way to suggest they change modes?

[jaunty harness]

I acknowledge people are choosing those infra roles for all the right reasons, wanting to help the mesh - but the reality is none are actually up high enough with direct LOS to the everything in the tri state area, urban = clients, suburban/rural = routers/repeaters have a place

you have to try and get in touch with them, some seem to be completely unmaintained and on ancient firmware

[toxic warren]

So only way is to all get on a different frequency

[daring moth]

I've been sending messages almost daily with the following contents:

PSA: Unless you're active in the Meshtastic Discord -> connect -> us - NYC metro, please only use the CLIENT family of roles. Also, please regularly update the firmware on all your nodes.
I don't know if it made a difference.

[jaunty harness]

the other way is... the hard approach but doesn't matter if they stay on ancient fw anyway https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/issues/5851

[toxic warren]

Or EMP 😉

Does blocking the ROUTER role people help?

Or I guess everyone would have to block them

[jaunty harness]

and then there's still for sure at least one if not more REPEATERs out there you're not seeing in the node list

but yeah ignore just means everyone has to have those 10+ nodes in their device's DB permanently so they remain ignored. and they'll show up again if you do the fs erase/nuke for 2.6.x

but how do you maintain and distribute that list of "bad" nodes, cause it's more than just the infra roles COUGHCOUGHda64COUGH and how do you get new people to also adopt it.

it's also not actually your hw, and it's a shared spectrum - again, i don't think they're doing it maliciously and most seem open to switch to CLIENT if contact can be made - but they do have the right to do whatever the hell they want with it even if it ends up being unintentionally detrimental to everyone else, unfortunately.

[tropic gulch]

Time to do some foxhunting

With a BB gun

[jaunty harness]

I haven't own a BB gun in a looooong time, but I DO have an SDR 8)

also finally got Kirk in my NodeDB 🎉

[toxic warren]

Hahaha finally!

[daring moth]

I don't think you'd need a SDR. At least theoretically, someone could use an oscilloscope to probe the exact timing of the interrupt pin of multiple nodes with their antennas spaced a known distance apart, such as in an equilateral triangle shape. Then, knowing the speed of light in the atmosphere, we can triangulate the angle of the node. You'd need to calibrate the oscilloscope first by sending a packet with a node in the absolute center of all the other nodes in the setup.

[jaunty harness]

https://tenor.com/3p2e.gif

[radiant cairn]

Or, use one of these:

https://www.krakenrf.com/

🤫

[karmic junco]

An odd option is a boveda pack. They will keep a certain rh very well. Like. 65rh pack will hold 8g of water.

[abstract iron]

night time mesh was bumping!

[edgy blaze]

Oh that’s clever!

[karmic junco]

Well the issue is that a standard dessicant will just absorb all the water. If you have an imperfect seal, it will always try to equalize with the outside.

With the boveda it will just take it moisture at the high rh and give out water in low rh

[edgy blaze]

Oh no. I get it. That’s clever as heck.

[karmic junco]

The standard dessicant will just suck up until it's full. And stay that way. Even if it's not damp or moist.

[edgy blaze]

Right right right

[karmic junco]

They come free with most decent cigar orders. Lol

[edgy blaze]

For sure. I keep a humidor and the wife has a lot of jars of weed.

[karmic junco]

I really am in a dead zone out here

[edgy blaze]

Wheres out here? (I don’t recall if I’ve asked before)

[karmic junco]

North Queens by little neck

[edgy blaze]

Oh shit. Yeah…

[abstract iron]

domino 5a5a got you

fa5a

[jaunty harness]

yeah I tried to ack, dunno if it got out - also tried TR cause it was 1hop and figured grand st but didn't work

[abstract iron]

I saw your ack pork

I can rx w birdfeeder now just not get out

[jaunty harness]

hah classic nyc messh

[abstract iron]

if I go on roof can get some ACKs but harder to conceal up there for now

[normal osprey]

i got the ack from prk9. thats the only one.

[abstract iron]

haqer if you want I'll hit the roof a second

[normal osprey]

dont worry about, just occasionally making sure antenna is still good

[misty gorge]

you def smoke cigars or weed. hahaha

[abstract iron]

just chilling here, gimme a sec

[jaunty harness]

I'm getting ya zilla

[abstract iron]

nice

this is getting pretty good! I haven't figured out how to bribe my super or conceal a roof node yet but t1e giant node works

anyone have this in your nodedb?

[normal osprey]

Just zlla zll1

[abstract iron]

bummer. that's the window node. great on battery/solar tho

[jaunty harness]

heh yeah only seeing ZLL1

[karmic junco]

No weed. Occasional cigar.

[misty gorge]

its either one of the two if you're talking bovedas

[jaunty harness]

GrandSt 351e -> that far in NJ is kinda insane

[jaunty harness]

and the same TR just came through... are you doing those manually or running MeshSense with the default 15m re-attempt TR setting on?

@ N1UGK (not actually @ing you at 1am)

[abstract iron]

thanks. zlla is my WinMesh pocket I turn on at work, probably why you've seen it, Manhattan prop

[tropic gulch]

What's up with tactical mini satellite router

Is he like a fisherman or something he's always in the ocean

[jaunty harness]

i have him ignored along with da64, pretty sure they either manually set their coords to the water or they cranked the location fuzzing to max after realizing they were spamming their near exact location

[abstract iron]

Spock I can't find you in the nodedb but I'm gonna be down in the area a while if you testing anything

just left Gowanus Lowes heh

[abstract iron]

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/undocumented-backdoor-found-in-bluetooth-chip-used-by-a-billion-devices/

[edgy blaze]

Oh come on…

[abstract iron]

btw is Pizza Delivery Guy in here? I ack you can't tx

[radiant cairn]

Meshsense was sending something out almost every minute - bad beta version, rolled it back

[jaunty harness]

Ahhh, the auto TR should just be off by default but that’s a whole other mess

[abstract iron]

we gotta get pizza delivery guy in here

[karmic junco]

One hop. Not bad. Dunno who is the hop

[abstract iron]

got you domino at 7:11 am

[jaunty harness]

hah UGKT ping from up in Mamaroneck

be sure and get a slice at Sal's .. at least for me 8)

[radiant cairn]

That t-deck’s gps needs to be trashed.

[jaunty harness]

hah yeah it kept locating me in Jersey City until I put in a real GPS (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CHFT6K9M)

[toxic warren]

so, NY Mesh gang.... Yesterday morning at 8am I took both the Technician and General Amateur Radio exams and passed both 😯

Something I've been putting off for too long

[jaunty harness]

awesome, congrats on licenses!!

[toxic warren]

thanks. Both parents have been licensed since the 60s. And my pop just got back into it. So should be fun messing around this spring / summer

[jaunty harness]

oh dang, that's even cooler!!

setup a private channel + mqtt and can talk over meshtastic 8)

[toxic warren]

ha! yea maybe. But my dad, like so many others is addicted to WSJT-X. So I'll have to pull him away

I'd like to try some SOTA this spring

[tropic gulch]

Congrats, once you get your call sign and if you have one hour a month, I'd love to tell you about some volunteer activities that the Red Cross needs help with

[toxic warren]

wow ok. Will do.

[brazen spear]

Vernon is back online with a new radio. Had to replace it due to some unnecessary tinkering on my part. New radio named vernon2

Congrats @toxic warren

[radiant cairn]

Congrats!

[abstract iron]

I see it in Williamsburg (roof)

[abstract iron]

👀

[terse gull]

I’ve been experimenting with a home node and one at work over a private channel, so Hell’s Kitchen/fidi roughly…. I’ve been sending messages over the course of my commute when out of the subway. I am almost always ack’ed but rarely see the messages on the other node when home. Do you suggest I bump the hops or otherwise?

[jaunty harness]

Hmm you can try bumping up a hop maybe two but it sounds like the home node isn’t in great position to RX if it’s not making there. Could also try running a traceroute along with your message so if it does go through you’ll know which nodes relayed, just be sparing with the trace routes as they’re burdensome for high density meshes (exponential repetition until max hops)

[radiant cairn]

Tomorrow I’m running an experiment to baseline receive and transmit from the attic, through tile roof. I’ve found for lower frequencies, HF and VHF, not much impact from the roofing material. Will find out first hand if the effect will be greater on sub microwave like LoRa.

[abstract iron]

I'm available to try on ham 433 if anyone wants to experiment. just need to know in advance to get on my roof (and validate if rokland WinMesh pocket does 433)

[jaunty harness]

I did a thing (carefully dremeled and sanded hackberry and faketek PCB til shit fit + enough kapton to contain the magic smoke)

[cyan drum]

ah the good old woodpecker

[abstract iron]

stupid question: what's the point of putting a node on the Meshtastic public MQTT?

[terse gull]

Which antenna do you guys like for a window in manhattan ?

[daring moth]

This isn't a only an antenna, but I just keep https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/devices/seeed-studio/sensecap/card-tracker/ near the window.

[normal osprey]

Brooklyn but my answer remains the same

Waterproof 5.8dBi Lora 915MHz... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09N2H166D

I’ve also heard good things about the Rokland 6dBi antenna

[terse gull]

Sweet Ty

[jaunty harness]

Austin Mesh people are really into this particular antenna, but if you're in the $20 range there's def a lot more options like the chunky Alfa 915 N-Type connector https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CZFW483Y

[jaunty harness]

so you can show up on one of the many node maps generated from it, someone people use that to feed metrics into Influxdb/visualize in Grafana, can also have a private channel with someone outside RF range and the messages can be relayed (encrypted) through MQTT if you enable up/downlink

poor little Spearmintastic just doesn't have the antenna for Industry City, 0 nodes heard - time to bring one of the 1Watts and a better antenna

[normal osprey]

Austin mesh is built out really well!! I was visiting and getting messages from all over town back to my node at the airbnb reliably.

It’s easier for them without the density of tall buildings we have but nevertheless impressive!

[jaunty harness]

yeah they're very organized and have waaaaay better geography (e.g. hills surrounding downtown). buddy there is able to ~6 miles direct with just a rak and 2-3dbi antenna (so jealous)

[radiant cairn]

Out my way in NJ, it’s very hilly, so from home out east no problem, but west, north, south, no go.

[jaunty harness]

just need a bigger hill 8)

[sonic prism]

@jaunty harness are you sending me moneys in response or are those just random monkeys?

[normal osprey]

Are you the ant? or spark?

[sonic prism]

I’m transmitting from CHTM but no one ever hears me so I assume the monkey is for someone else

[normal osprey]

i don’t have you but i did receive porks monkey. I’m Domino Park

[jaunty harness]

haha I'm a big fan of 🙊 🙈 and 🙉

it wasn't to anyone in paritcular, just saw some meshages

are you f85d?

[sonic prism]

F85d is chtm. Amazing. The stars align and I actually got out of the valley somehow

[normal osprey]

i’ve received two messages from f85d

[sonic prism]

I think it takes someone driving by on rt24 to hop off of

[normal osprey]

idk what you mean by f85d is chtm but im getting f85d messages

[sonic prism]

CHTM is the short name for the node

Note info didn’t make
It out I guess

[jaunty harness]

yeah, we're just missing NODEINFO to get the full name

[sonic prism]

Sometimes I can hit the forest edge node in the right conditions

[jaunty harness]

We get forest edge here because they’re at 7 hops, or we’re last I checked

Pretty sure I saw Jake Pocket over the weekend though

[sonic prism]

I was out and about with the t1000e pocket node

I was in the Montclair area

[normal osprey]

I’ve got Forest Edge Stokes Repeater at one hop! but i’m high up facing west so makes sense

[jaunty harness]

hot damn that's a lot of reach

[normal osprey]

@jaunty harness clear LOS across manhattan into jersey

can’t wait until i put this thing outside on my friends balcony. just waiting for silicon and silicon tape to be delivered to secure the antenna connection

[jaunty harness]

i've hit enscom, one of the jersey ems nodes, direct - which is insane as i'm technically only 3stories up and east of the bqe

[abstract iron]

which SMA to N you got on there?

[abstract iron]

yeah never get anything at IC itself. near water can be good tho

[jaunty harness]

not enough antenna ain't helping

[abstract iron]

I mean I cant hear anything around there with the reference 👂t1e

what's the build list for a 1 W node? I looked at the amp that N1UGK has but couldn't figure out how to use it easily in a mobile config

https://shop.uniteng.com/product/meshtastic-mesh-device-station-edition/

woh

[jaunty harness]

oh yeah, Neil is on the discord and seems very responsive

[jaunty harness]

depends on which 1W you're looking to build... Donktastic is probably the cheapest, couple bucks for 5 PCBs + E22-900M30S ($6-8 ali) + ProMicro nRF52840 ($2-4 ali) but also needs 5V boost to get most out of the E22 so there's another couple bucks

[normal osprey]

Not sure as I didn’t build this node, @proven grove did. This is the inside and the connector on the outside is N-female, so I got an N-male antenna.

[jaunty harness]

OH that reminds me zilla, you wanted to borrow a 1W? I finally got around to (poorly/semi) securing the antenna in a Donktastic + 3k LiPo + ALFA 915 setup

[proven grove]

it's an iPEX to N pigtail. I avoid SMA>N-Types at all cost.

[radiant cairn]

I used a 12v step up converter, has USB A on one end and a 12v barrel connector on the other. That goes into the amp. The amp needs 12, not to exceed, the car is 14.2 when running, so the usb step up converter provides a steady 12v. I then feed the amp with a t-beam, that’s also powered via usb A. A good solid rubber band hack to hold them together is most important.

[terse gull]

can't seem to get a message or traceroute from ~soho back to ~midtown. very frustrating.

[jaunty harness]

it's a structural rubber band!! curious if you've measured max 5/12V draw, not imaging it's anything crazy though

[jaunty harness]

hrmmm a lot of concrete/steel in between those neighborhoods, but kinda expected unless you've got a straight shot up/down an ave with LOS for a direct connection. might try adding height on one and see if that helps (more likely to help with getting out to the mesh so other end can receive)

[abstract iron]

I've got my t1e in client mute in Chelsea if you want to try for an intermediate node progranner

I've got no prop to downtown today idk

[abstract iron]

yah def. I'll DM you?

[terse gull]

was hoping i could hop the mesh over a private channel

@abstract iron won't it do that automatically if it can see you on the mesh?

[abstract iron]

I'm on client_mute setting with these t1es

can you see me my nodeid is..

[jaunty harness]

when I was poking around MeshSense earlier I saw ZLLS but ZLL1 had been a few hours

also just got approval from CSO to deploy a node to Industry City office - she's already familiar with meshtastic/lorawan so only reqs were it can't be connected to our LAN/WLAN and no "branding" (e.g. company name in the node name)

[terse gull]

can't see @abstract iron will check tonight

[abstract iron]

wow ZLLS is my bird node!

[jaunty harness]

been keeping an eye out for it, ZLL1 is pretty consistent for me but not so much ZLLS

[abstract iron]

I bike every day so ZLL1 prob does smart beacon or whatever it's called from the bridge etc

my zlls receives all you guys and gets it into my t1es indoors just can't get any distance out unless if I go on the roof

in my self tests I've got about a block or two around my neighborhood

this is still a big improvement over even last month tho... I used to have to go out for a drink on grand St to catch nodes

😂

[brazen spear]

@jaunty harness that should easily connect to SouthSlope

Can you get it on the roof? Or just a window?

[jaunty harness]

Just window, at least for now (not trying to get us in trouble in first few weeks). Gonna bring a RAK and 1W to see what can RX cause yeah should be hitting SouthSlope

[radiant cairn]

The ac adapter that came with the amp is 1 amp at 12 volts. The usb up converter is 1 amp max as well,

[jaunty harness]

ahhh very nice

[sonic prism]

Cool Got a reply from fa5a. (Domino park). Didn’t see it at first because it hit my attic node but then ran out of hops back to the T1000e

Mesh might be growing to the point where I can participate a little now 😉

[abstract iron]

Jake maybe turn up your hops? not sure. I saw domino ack you but not you

[sonic prism]

The pocket node is on 5 hops. Not sure. One is burned to the attic node. I’m at the edge of the mesh in a valley so I don’t get good connectivity

[abstract iron]

what's your nodeid

[sonic prism]

C238 is the t1000e

[normal osprey]

that’s me. good to know messages are going through. still testing this new node and antenna.

[jaunty harness]

i saw domino park but not jake, def give it another hop!

[jaunty harness]

I should be in bed instead of making some Meshsticks

[karmic junco]

Shoot the last time I tried that we got from Hudson square not even to Christopher street. And this was with two t beams last year

[karmic junco]

Where are you buying these... Meshsticks

Tempted to stick them in diagnostic panels. Lol

[jaunty harness]

JLCPCB for PCB and smd bits and AliExpress for the CH341A and waveshare sx1262 modules. It needs a host machine running meshtasticd to be useful though

[abstract iron]

Jake one of these you? note I got you 8 min in Manhattan

if that's you

[jaunty harness]

that does match his t1e's short id, though they aren't 100% unique its very unlikely to not be his

[sonic prism]

Oh no!

[sonic prism]

Yeah that my t100e though key exchange failed on one

Or maybe not. Not sure why you’d have two separate instances of the same node

[jaunty harness]

heh, they're both actually c238 short name, but unique !userid

QUICK BUY A LOTTO TICKET!

[abstract iron]

yah the front octets are different just figured it was a funny coincidence

[jaunty harness]

haha yeah, totally missed it the first time too!

[sonic prism]

I'm the !eaf one 🙂

[proven grove]

Got any spare PCB's? I need something to hold me over in my uConsole until I finish my expansion board

[jaunty harness]

I have 5 bare PCBs from previous order, 4 completed Meshsticks and 1 I toasted something during assembly

[proven grove]

If I have the radio, do you have spare components? I'll buy them off you (I'm a masochist, I actually enjoy assembly).

[jaunty harness]

hah! for the bare PCBs I only have extra CH341As, USB connector and *pcb Antenna connectors.. otherwise I could spare an assembled one for a bit - only have plans for 3 of the 4 working ones

(also saves dealing with the shitshow of compiling ISP_Programmer, at least for macOS it's >5 years stale build script that still expects homebrew installed in /usr/local instead of /opt)

[proven grove]

You didn't want to run it on a luckfox? lol

[jaunty harness]

HAH, it compiled nice/quick in VM but I don't have direct USB access. compiled on a Pi5 but don't have GUI so it was back to sorting out the macOS build

[proven grove]

Also, where'd you get your ch341e's?

[jaunty harness]

Ali, JLCPCB had only 1 in stock and Digikey had 0

you should be able to get the passives pretty quick domestically, not sure on the Waveshare module but the CH341A i got 10 so still have 5 left

Your also welcome to extended use of a completed one if you’re looking to toss inside ala pdxlocs and get me back a completed one at some point, again I only have plans for 3 of the 4 that are working

[proven grove]

I always get the damn letters confused. CH340E's for the Femto's and CH341A's for the meshsticks lol

[proven grove]

I'm gonna hold myself accountable and actually finish the Uconsole board. Not gonna take the easy way out. Because I also want to get cellular on it too. But that might be out of reach, but we'll see.

[jaunty harness]

hehehe babelfox PCBs are next on my list but still need to order a few parts

[proven grove]

I have all the parts, the design is.... unique. He put the pico on the back of the f'ing board so have fun taking it apart (like I had to) if you end up with a hidden short. Also, Portuino doesn't support E80's yet. So idk wtf image Fires using lol

And I'm pretty sure I built my first babel before he did... aka he's not even done yet lol

[abstract iron]

these airplane checkins are pretty cool. kind of surprised it works inside the metal tube

[misty gorge]

Did anyone else get that mesage from E68A ([email protected])?

I sent him an email like he requested and told him about the discord.

[misty gorge]

I got a reply back from him via email. He was apparently on a plane also.

Is that the airplane checkin you were referring to @abstract iron ?

I didn't get the message saying he was on a plane if he sent that.

[abstract iron]

yes KI2D I emailed him also

[jaunty harness]

ahhh I saw the plane message last night but didn't have the fullname

[abstract iron]

btw who is Xam 965c

I could traceroute you through my birdfeeder nose!!!

node

[abstract iron]

I only knew plane via email also

[abstract iron]

has anyone plugged meshtastic into HomeAssistant?

it looks like you can use it for telemetry or control

but I haven't mapped out a use case yet

[jaunty harness]

nope but you can get some fun graphs from nodes' metrics

[abstract iron]

yah I wanted to start collecting weather info etc

[jaunty harness]

hehe yeah i already have that but homebrewed setup of telemetry + influxdb + grafana

[abstract iron]

wow

wait where you got all those other AQ measurements from

like ammonia and stuff

I wanted to even feed in the bird solar temp and humidity as an experiment

[jaunty harness]

outdoor AQI is coming from openweathermap.org and then I have an Ikea Vindriktning with an esp32 for AQI and a raspi zero + BME680 that's reporting TVOCs (and a standalone sensor that also does Hydrocarbons, TVOCs and PM2.5/10)

[abstract iron]

ohhhhh

nice the IKEA is over zigbee,m?

[jaunty harness]

it's the previous model that didn't do zigbee, just LED indicator but has RS232 internally that the ESP32 taps into and then has code for reading the data and dumping in influxdb

[glossy pine]

🌞 checking in!

[abstract iron]

yo xam!

= zll1

[jaunty harness]

oh hey it's the 🌞 ! welcome !!!

<-- prk# / pork - someshit

[glossy pine]

Hello!

Great to be here

[glossy pine]

I’m a noob; any recs for a at home solar unit that could store and forward? May not understand well but would like it so when I get home with my client each day I’ll get whatever I missed from the neighborhood

[jaunty harness]

there's a #solar-power channel that's a rabbit hole of inspiration, Austin Mesh folks have been iterating on designs and shared their experiences: https://www.austinmesh.org/devices/#solar

but you should be ok to just leave the node running and then when you get home and connect with an app to the node it should still have the last 30 messages stored on the device and xfer them to your app, so nothing extra needed

[glossy pine]

So so helpful thanks!

[jaunty harness]

noooo prob!!

[karmic junco]

Damn.. that's beautiful

Anyone have any thoughts on this? Yellowing solar panels are from excessive heat generated because there was no place to use the energy

I have 4 similar aged solar lights(the motion sensing kind). The ones with the most direct light have yellowed and faded pretty badly. The ones in a less optimistic angle are perfectly fine. Maybe it's just the sun. I don't know. But I thought perhaps it's because the panel had no where to dump the extra energy

[radiant cairn]

This is caused most likely by plastic over the panel which will yellow or discolor (even become less transparent) due to UV not necessarily from heat. Good solar panels do not have plastic over the cells. Not using the energy produced does not contribute to temperature of the cells nor this fading you observed.

[abstract iron]

is pizza delivery guy in here?

3019

I got a great trace!

hey pork got a route finally

[jaunty harness]

I saw! Crazy return path though

[abstract iron]

hah yeah. over to Manhattan!

[cyan drum]

My base node BKBB in Bay Ridge has been updated to 2.6.1

[abstract iron]

inviting "dprk" you aren't here yet right?

[jaunty harness]

not that I'm aware

[abstract iron]

I think they are filling in a coverage hole n/s the BQE

[jaunty harness]

ahhh nice, still on a t-echo? they showed up in jan for a few days then disappeared but close enough to be direct

[abstract iron]

I was able to DM them a bit.

[jaunty harness]

nice, when they first popped up they mentioned looking for a better antenna and then disappeared after like 2 days

[daring moth]

If you get someone's Ack, but not the original message, is that a good situation to make a Nack?

[midnight mural]

🍕 ping

WOOOOO!

[midnight mural]

Pizza Delivery Guy was a Heltec v3 I returned and got a RAK Pocket V2, and am now Pizza Delivery Dude.

I watched Teenage Mutant Ninje Turtles over the weekend, as I want to do ninja turtle character names for my nodes....so that was the name change with the node change 🙂

[bronze wren]

I've got ~9 nodes (some need some repair and reconfig) but it's enough I need to come up with a new scheme.

[jaunty harness]

don't forget 0, that's 10! (and yeah, I've had to recycle PRK#s and add in some emojis)

[bronze wren]

I might number them but I like some creativity rather than just enumeration.

[proven grove]

I gave up on naming them outside of my EDC node

[midnight mural]

I'm going to pick your brain one day about this, am running grafana and prometheus for all of my machines at home......want more data for my dashboards

[jaunty harness]

It’s def doable, telegraf supports outputting to prometheus’s TSDB and then Grafana can visualizes it like any other metrics. I just wanted something less complex than prometheus to play with and like TIG stack a lot for my own uses (cause no GCP/cloud or k8s)

its also super easy to add influxdb support to esp32 and have it sleep in between metric pushes vs having to stay awake for same duration w/http endpoint for prometheus to scrape on it's interval

[midnight mural]

cool! Thank you! One day when I have a stationary home node, I'll get something going for sure. My main problem is that it's not a good spot, so maybe I'll stick one at my office in bergen county/rockland county area, west of the palisades

[abstract iron]

woo!!! = zll1

yo pizza I get you all over work (Chelsea) and lately home as Williamsburg gets more nodes up. barely been able to ACK until recently

[midnight mural]

Woooo! I seem to get most of my successful tx and rx over by the East River in this park. I send pings when I’m out for strolls so I’m here and there all the time.

Are we all sticking to the 3 hop limit?

[jaunty harness]

Mostly, if you’ve got multi nodes with a dedicated client usually set the others client_mute and +1 hops since they’ll go out through the dedicated client (in theory). Have played with 4/5 on my window node which seems to help a little but even that will end up propagating well outside the city if the mesh is meshing well (same as how well get nodes from nearly 100miles away here cause they’re at 7 hops, see also most of the Staten Island nodes)

[midnight mural]

Last burning question of the day:

Why are my messages out of order on the default channel? Today for example, I send my pizza pings and all of my pings are sequential and I assume the replies from you all is above my pings. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ is my time off? Is the iOS app hot garbage? lol

[bronze wren]

The iOS app is super buggy in my experience but I haven't seen this specific bug.

[glossy pine]

Lots of messages disappear, or you only get notifications but nothing in the list, or out of order, and no ack receipts, etc

I saw you PDD!

[midnight mural]

Well, I hope it gets better over time and am glad it’s maybe just not me. It did this with my Heltec and now my Wisblock.

🌞👋

[daring moth]

AFAIK, the delay of message rebroadcasts by CLIENT nodes are random. See https://meshtastic.org/docs/overview/mesh-algo/#broadcasts-using-managed-flooding for more details.

[abstract iron]

ugh meshsense is nodejs

😂

moved a rpi3 near the window to talk to the window node.....xx mins later.... do do

this person in here?

[glossy pine]

If you see w2asm they’re good folks

[twin root]

FYI the WTC node is back in my hands for hardware refresh. It was beyond saturated and was just boot looping for a month.

[jaunty harness]

awww, poor 🦒

[misty gorge]

There are so many new nodes! I don't even see Harlem Relay on my list most of the time lately

[glossy pine]

Any advice on whether my new solar device should be set as a client or a router?

its gonna be around the wburg waterfront and n6th

[abstract iron]

I set my window to client and all my daily carry nodes as client_mute

[glossy pine]

client mute prevents it from announcing itself?

[jaunty harness]

Not quite, it still transmits on regular intervals for its node info/telemetry/position but it does not retransmit others packets heard on the mesh that a regular client would

[jaunty harness]

Yeah less and less Harlem but still get AMR1 and 2 regularly (probably due to older firmware behavior of announcing to new nodes)

[glossy pine]

is that to save battery/

[jaunty harness]

It would save batt but more so if you have a two nodes, say a window and a carry. Window should be client since stationary and carry should be client_mute as relies on the window client to do most of the packet meshing and prevents both nodes from trying to retransmit the same packet

Basically a way to manage multiple devices from trying to retransmit over each other degrading your experience as well as reliability of transmitting on the unreliable mesh

[glossy pine]

thanks! would i switch my device to client regular if i went out with it?

[abstract iron]

the way I have thought about it which could be wrong is if I was gonna go mobile around a bunch of mobile users I'd go back to client on my t1000e

for example the crowd use cases like festival hiking protests etc

otherwise I want my t1e to work off the bigger things near it ... outside the glass....

and not try to mesh anything itself

[abstract iron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1je9nho/theyll_never_know_how_will_they_know/

goals

[glossy pine]

Any regional channels other than LongFast worth joining?

[normal osprey]

this is exactly how we’re gonna use the t1e (and some T-Echoes) at EDC Las Vegas… a bunch of us running around as clients. my group will be on our own frequency slot.

[proven grove]

check your timestamps. Node time on yours or the senders might be off.

[normal osprey]

This is what i’ve seen when my messages are out of order also. Usually it’s my time and a reboot fixes it for me.

[midnight mural]

I’ve not come across that time setting that I can remember

Searched thought the help section, seems time is set from my phone, so maybe it wasn’t me, but I feel like it is me.

I didn’t turn on GPS yet as I want to do a no GPS battery test….so maybe it’s looking for time there??

[jaunty harness]

If the device has an RTC it’ll use that on startup. If not it’ll use GPS if avail. If neither of those it’ll just be timeless until it receives time from the mesh OR connect an app which will sync the time from the device (eg your phone, or meshtastic —set-time)

[midnight mural]

No RTC, and I’m def using that iOS that wishes it was better. Maybe it will just fix itself lol

[midnight mural]

Funny thing is, out in the suburbs today, later this evening, I had messages all in order back and forth with another node.

No idea.

[normal osprey]

my devices grab their time from GPS, i believe

[proven grove]

If you come across a node that has an RTC or GPS, or an internet connection, it'll set your nodes time.

[midnight mural]

It’s just odd my phone didn’t do it?

Def have come across nodes that have GPS too

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[jaunty harness]

everytime your phone connects it should be syncing time, you can see it in the serial logs go from ??:??:?? to the actual time - are you leaving the app open for multiple days or something?

[midnight mural]

I don’t see any time references in the log

Mainly some picker selection errors

I got micros notification a few moments ago, but it’s not in the messages.

I restart the app every day or so, because it seems like it works better that way

So screw this battery longevity test. I enabled the GPS

[jaunty harness]

oh the logs in the app aren't the same as the serial logs which look more like DEBUG | 20:47:54 257622 [Power] Battery: usbPower=0, isCharging=0, batMv=4113, batPct=94

at least on iOS its definitely fancied up vs the logs over serial connection / meshtastic --noproto

[midnight mural]

I can’t serial into it over Bluetooth with terminus can I??

Have to plug it into my computer and hit up client.meshtastic.org?

[jaunty harness]

you can get them through the flasher's serial connection pretty easy, or via a terminal emulator like tio, over bluetooth i think meshtastic -b BT:MA:CA:DR:ES:SS --noproto works but I just get it over cable + tio

[midnight mural]

INFO | 21:04:45 1032 [PowerFSM] Turn off screen

DEBUG | 21:04:58 1045 [Power] Battery: usbPower=1, isCharging=1, batMv=3986, batPct=79

DEBUG | 21:05:18 1065 [Power] Battery: usbPower=1, isCharging=1, batMv=3989, batPct=79

are those timestamps safe to assume time is good and it's just my iOS app?

[jaunty harness]

i mean they look right but the app is using the phone's clock which should be sync'd over fusion of cell+gps+net

[midnight mural]

cool, appriciate the direction. I will just have to hope things get better as time goes on

[jaunty harness]

That’s def weird it’s losing time though, haven’t used the iOS app consistently for awhile but never saw that though usually could go 8-12hrs before it’d either lose BT and have to manually reconnect (due to going in/out of range frequently) or just crash

[abstract iron]

did any of you catch this...uh.. deserialize error? or whatever it is

[jaunty harness]

More silliness, but finally a use for that dang screen I’ve had forever

[jaunty harness]

Huh yeah that’s a weird one, let me take a packet that’s like twice the size of meshtastics and being meshed on one protocol but then splitting up into two packets for a different protocol and then relay … just seems like inefficient airtime usage

traceroutes are already kinda bad with how they essentially amplify airtime usage in dense / disorganized meshes - bridging something else using the same spectrum just seems like easy way to amplify attack on both 🤷

[midnight mural]

So jealous you all get messages

[untold cargo]

you and me both...

I'm on long island, and other than some low rssi signals to CT, it's dead

[midnight mural]

I’m sure people will keep trickling in.

I can’t wait to take my next trip in a plane. I love blasting the public channel with pizza pings lol. Been playing for less than a month.

[jaunty harness]

Large Pepperoni @ 25000ft

[twin root]

client 🙂

[normal osprey]

just got home and had 17 messages on the Domino Park node including this

[glossy pine]

Is it a PGP Encrypted msg?

[abstract iron]

didn't look at it yet is it base64 proto or something

[glossy pine]

Haha I ain’t that deep into the weeds on it just at first glance reminded me of that sort of encryption but ftmp Meshtastic doesn’t allow enough bytes per message to send a complete one

[normal osprey]

where on the wb waterfront are you? autocorrect messed up my first reply 😂

[jaunty harness]

haqer - did you double send or is this just confirming there's a client with "bad" time somewhere near Williamsburg causing dupes? they look exactly the same except 1 sec apart and different ReplyIDs

[normal osprey]

yeah, waved to nero and xam back to back. not a dupe.

[glossy pine]

Near the ferry

[twin root]

reticulum relay? people can... relay reticulum to meshtastic>?

[jaunty harness]

yeah someone's got it setup apparently though don't have reticulum setup to see the other side if it's both ways

[glossy pine]

does it improve the distance?

[jaunty harness]

DON’T believe so, just bridges the two protocols at the cost of consuming more airtime

[normal osprey]

the domino park node i’m currently testing will eventually live near the north wb ferry

[glossy pine]

Hell yeah

[abstract iron]

wow TIL reticulum

this is the biggest rabbit hole I've seen yet

[midnight mural]

Thanks for the warning, I am already free falling in this radio rabbit hole 🙂

[glossy pine]

weather doing a number on my outgoing msgs today

[glossy pine]

lemme know if you find out anything cool we could use to improve our signal

[normal osprey]

I’ve gotten a couple DMs but can’t see them cuz those nodes aren’t in my node list 🤷🏻‍♂️

[glossy pine]

oh shit is that the trick with DMs

you gotta get the node info first

hate the disappearing dms that get notifications bug

[normal osprey]

Seems like it. I have two unread. When I click on the notification, I see a question mark but then can’t see the message… so assuming it’s because i don’t have their nodeinfo

[glossy pine]

yeah that happens a lot, hard to grasp why they'd give push notifications where you can even soemtimes read the message but then have it not appear in the app itself

[midnight mural]

Remove all of the buildings in the city /s lol

[jaunty harness]

I’d maybe ask in #apple or even #help cause that seems weird … but pluasuble? Like sender knows your pubkey to send you encrypted DM but you should be able to decode with your privkey regardless of knowing anything other than the encrypted payload, and the senders !userid

Maybe didn’t have the !userid / bad payload from corrupted packet? Maybe they had an old pubkey for you? Idk, brain too stuck in work mode but def seems weird

[glossy pine]

So we think it’s a bug that happens when you rename the node, still testing

Seems to only be iOS

Apple channel has no clue so far

[abstract iron]

so if I get my rpi3 bluetooth-near to my window node what's the most interesting thing to run? Meshsense?

[jaunty harness]

the raspi has a radio connected via a hat / meshstick?

oh misread... you're just using the pi over bt to the window node - yeah meshsense and run it once as normal and disable the auto traceroutes and enabled remote access, then you can run it with --headless so it won't try and run the frontend on the pi (it's painful as you'll find out) but can pull it up from any browser on the same network

https://github.com/Affirmatech/MeshSense/issues/22 has links to the raspi beta builds of meshsense

[abstract iron]

yah saw the headless

yes pi over bt... got it close enough

my windows even kill Bluetooth unless if you're really close

[jaunty harness]

zumble were you in n brooklyn??? me -> you -> domino park -> grand st -> nj

[midnight mural]

Ack zilla, can’t respond back from inside our block 😦

[abstract iron]

nice thx

today I went to that new part of Bushwick inlet park , the hill, to TX from

it's got a good view of a lot of different points I bet but 40 mph wind today

https://maps.app.goo.gl/XPMYXHeC6djRnHjK7

[abstract iron]

Xam🌞 and I have a hell of a path down the n6,7,8 corridor from water to more like driggs pizza over here. we can more or less reliably DM

[radiant cairn]

No coax, no loss. 🤫

[jaunty harness]

not even from the sma-n adaptor?

[terse gull]

which antenna?

[glossy pine]

Yeah we killin it. Sometimes it doesn’t work but usually if I just reset my device it goes back

[jaunty harness]

are you both on 2.6.x?

[terse gull]

i'm trying to pin down the best antenna for a stationary client sitting in a window at 10 stories high in nyc

[daring moth]

Along the interior or exterior of the window?

[terse gull]

interior infortunately

[daring moth]

If you want hardwired with a battery backup, the internal (non-removable) antenna on the https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/devices/seeed-studio/sensecap/card-tracker/ is pretty good for its size.

[terse gull]

i have a station g2... looking for something beefy

[daring moth]

Beefy as in high gain? If you go with a high gain antenna, my understanding is that it'll reduce the ability to communicate with nodes above or below, as the antenna transmits and receives in a near-dounut radiation pattern.

[terse gull]

nah just max reception

guessing 5dbi is the right range

[twin root]

Wow got giraffe back. It's actually bricked.

Just no boot and firmware is corrupted

Wonder what happened

[daring moth]

Can you backup the flash contents using the UF2 bootloader?

[abstract iron]

wow the station g2. any comments? did you turn up the tx power

[daring moth]

IIRC, it pops up as CURRENT.UF2

[twin root]

The station G2s input sensitivity is reportedly not good

[twin root]

Gonna do some googling or give it a tey

And give it a try*

[terse gull]

Really... i was told the opposite due to the LNA

[jaunty harness]

Probably partial LFS corruption -> boot looping itself to total corruption/death. Will be interesting to see if you can revive and how it (or its replacement hw) does on 2.6.x

[midnight mural]

I see some chatter today on the public channel, but as usual, can’t transmit well from home 😦

[terse gull]

anyone see shortname BLK on the public channel?

[normal osprey]

saw your messages this morning, roosevelt tram etc

[midnight mural]

When I’m outside and by the East River, yes, I get transmissions out, just not at home 😦

saw 🌞just now

[toxic warren]

hello. long time no talk

[twin root]

Look at some discussions on this board. I have had the opposite experience.

Just a few data points

[glossy pine]

My man!

This damn iOS bug is fuckin me up but we’ve got the brightest minds working on it

[terse gull]

got a cavity filter otw. curious how well it does

[proven grove]

@jaunty harness - how tf did you get your meshstick programmed!? I got the program installed and running, and then got the DB loaded but now it's not seeing the device. I had the drivers installed but I'm reinstalling now just to be sure

[jaunty harness]

did you set the jumper?

i soldered pins for my first one, the rest I just bridged temp with bus wire, but without that it seemed to default to USB->UART mode and had a different ID in lsusb. When jumpered they then showed up with the right ID so IMSProg detected it and let me program and then worked fine w/o the temp jumper bridge

should see console spam like Couldn't open device 1a86:5512 because without the jumper it's like 1a86:5255 or something slightly different, because CH341A is also USB-UART (as well as i2c/spi)

Pretty sure that's what your issue is, I also didn't have to use any drivers though on 15.3.2

[proven grove]

I had a loose eeprom chip

But I actually had no issue building the app

[jaunty harness]

command -v brew is it in /usr/local or /opt, cause the script is hardcoded to /usr/local which means you have a homebrew install that's like 5+ years old

or maybe it's still using /usr/local if it's x86 because that's what they used until around the time of the M1 and started using /opt

[proven grove]

I was running it on an i9, but it's also probably 5 years old lol

Now I just need to build Linux native on my uconsole to use the new MUI

[radiant cairn]

I’m running 1 watt out, didn’t push it beyond that.

[radiant cairn]

Just insertion loss on both sides, same as expected with the connectors themselves on each side of a coax run. This just eliminates a tiny amount of coax loss.

[radiant cairn]

https://a.co/d/iFTrv0a

[jaunty harness]

Preinstall the deps in the readme!! it was a painful few hours of stop/start on pizerow2 sorting those out, so I PRd it. the 3b was 1h58mins to build but no stopping to install any missing headers

and probably be sure you have >=1GB swap, 512MB default just doesn’t cut it anymore

[karmic junco]

Can I... Polish it off?

[radiant cairn]

Not likely - you can try retro brite, I’ve used it to remove yellowing on vintage plastics. You can google that, or, you can try soaking in some hydrogen peroxide. Only do this if you don’t mind the possibility of doing some damage to the plastic (or test in a small area first).

[karmic junco]

Eh it seems like all the cheaper solar panels have this issue

[abstract iron]

building meshsense.. 🤞

[toxic warren]

@radiant cairn I just made the connection to your blog post on Meshtastic. I found that a while ago but didnt connect it to you (on discord)

How is the scene further out from NYC in NJ?

[edgy blaze]

Here’s what I see from NJ. I’m right across from Staten Island.