us - NYC metro

[jaunty harness]

that is the approach I personally would encourage - more CLIENTs

[misty gorge]

Pretty much. But good luck with that in NYC.

[naive sinew]

Definitely interested in building weatherproof/tactical type housings and uses

[jaunty harness]

#solar-power will amaze and confuse and give you lots of tested /proven ideas

[naive sinew]

So some messages just fail because its such low power and it just doesn’t get repeated?

Like fairy dust?

And sometimes it finds its way?

[jaunty harness]

pretty much

[naive sinew]

Like make me understand why I’m able to “sometime” talk to a dude in queens

[daring moth]

The https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/devices/seeed-studio/sensecap/card-tracker/ is IP65 water resistant.

[misty gorge]

I was in there when I started and almost got a multi hundred dollar setup.

[naive sinew]

I’m ready to throw some money at this lol

[misty gorge]

I went with the cheap case, cheap panel and a much too large lipo battery

[naive sinew]

Would be awesome to have something somewhat reliable in place

[misty gorge]

They have been chugging along

[misty gorge]

The cheap setups work great too.

Position is really key.

[naive sinew]

If you have flat land and line of sight assume its pretty robust?

Voice comms possible? I know memos but live comms? Assume no given low power

[misty gorge]

You can have a super expensive setup with crap line if sight and it won't be worth a damn.

[jaunty harness]

we're using shared/public band of RF, we're surrounded by things that mess with RF and basically the mesh is dynamic and reconfiguring itself every sec around the first two - like i said, it's chaos! but with some coordination it should definitely be possible to improve it and that's what we've been hoping to do here on discord

[daring moth]

One way to avoid having ROUTERs around is to switch to a non-default frequency slot.

[jaunty harness]

yesss, this warmer weather already has me itching to try and group test on MediumFast

[misty gorge]

I think it's more interesting not closing the network

Then we get guys in planes bouncing signals sometimes

It's fun!

[naive sinew]

Great explanation thank you

[jaunty harness]

hehe there are some VERY smart people doing VERY cool stuff with multiradio stuff, including bridging MediumFast<->LongFast via MQTT on the same node (Austin IIRC... or actually maybe NZ? really AMAZING work there))

[naive sinew]

Explain? So a private channel running on a different frequency?

[daring moth]

I wouldn't call it "private". It's similar in concept to the saying "security through obscurity".

[naive sinew]

Right its just the AE26 encryption or whatever not really private

[daring moth]

Otherwise, yes, Meshtastic can run on a separate frequency vs everyone else around.

[misty gorge]

Okay guys. I'm going to bed. I had a good mesh day. Made a legit contact with @naive sinew and got him in here. Made it to @jaunty harness but he wouldn't talk to me.

[naive sinew]

But the channel you invite others too that cant be pinged through long / fast

Thanks for inviting me dude this has been super helpful

[jaunty harness]

Same, gnite Ray RF Ambassador to NYC Meshtastic mesh

[misty gorge]

One day we will make a successful contract

[jaunty harness]

Even if I have to go 7 hops!!

And MediumFast is basically half the transmission time of LongFast at the sacrifice of some marginal amount of distance but yes it does mean a separate essentially private mesh

[abstract iron]

I have this for daily carry / errands. very small and light.

[brazen spear]

City college would be a great place for a node. If they have power you could include a raspberry pi in the box to do firmware updates remotely. If not, we had a lot of success building boxes like this just running solar for less than $50 total.

[misty gorge]

Do you glue the antenna joint?

Actually I see tape.

[jaunty harness]

received your msg ZuMBLe but don't think my 5 hops has enough to get back to you 😢

[naive sinew]

That would be awesome. I’m picking up a ton of nodes - around 42

[misty gorge]

kick that thing up to 7!

[jaunty harness]

heh, gonna actually swap out the window RAK for the DonkTastic in a bit, see if the 1W is enough to scream my way out of Williamsburg

[misty gorge]

okay

[daring moth]

Wow, that's a lot of nodes. Which model/what hardware?

[misty gorge]

@jaunty harness I see the donktastic node too.

Pork Donktastic?

You want me to try messaging that one?

[jaunty harness]

Yeah 🫏

[daring moth]

Oh wait, by picking up, do you mean purchasing or able to reach?

[jaunty harness]

It’s on my desk but I have no client paired with it, just watching logs and it’s relay through the window RAK anyway

[misty gorge]

Oh...

the window rak is what I messaged earlier?

[jaunty harness]

Yeah PRK1 is the window, at least for amother … hourish? Not too much adulting left for the day

[naive sinew]

Roklan wismesh v2

I’m getting all of these from Harlem

[jaunty harness]

hehe, just wait until you get the nodes 100miles away in N Jersey

window's swapped over to the Donk, lets see how this goes

[misty gorge]

You get any of my messages?

[jaunty harness]

got the second, but guess you didn't get either of myne 8/

[misty gorge]

nope.

not sure why

[jaunty harness]

hrmm well right now the only "active" node I'm seeing directly is... the one on my desk, that ain't helping

i think the Donk may not be happy with USB power (the E22-900M30S radio maxes out 5V/650mA) and it's def not gonna get that through the ProMicro's USB - lemme see if just battery helps (how I was runnig it on my desk for most of past week)

ooooo well I got a TraceRoute to work, time to go buy all the scratch off tickets at the bodega

CLIENT -> ROUTER_CLIENT -> ROUTER_CLIENT

i'll try and send another message in a while, def seems a little happier with more juice directly to the radio

[misty gorge]

just tried you again.

[jaunty harness]

only saw Hello 2

[misty gorge]

hello 3 went out.

I guess the winds shifted again

[jaunty harness]

shakes fist

[naive sinew]

Got your message ray

[abstract iron]

Which node is up with 1 W pork

just got back to wb. no real nodes down in Dumbo

[jaunty harness]

It’s pork donktastic / 🫏

[jaunty harness]

feels like my RX is a bit worse with the Donk than the RAK, or could just be the mesh is being wonky but def seems like i'm seeming less than the usual # of nodes (same antenna in same spot as the RAK) but I'm also only seeing 1 Ignore received packet due to error=-7 instead of the usual 2-3 right after the node TXs (e.g. i'm not hearing as much router/repeater retransmission spam)

[daring moth]

@grizzled lily Is that node still active?

[jaunty harness]

I've seen WM2D / WM2D G2 active 10hrs ago and NODEINFO says it's a Station G2

[daring moth]

I was just trying to search old messages of people using Meshtastic in NYC, in the hopes of finding who runs Harlem Relay.

[torn marten]

Hey guys! Total mesh noob here. Just getting started and learning about the hobby-
I checked out the node list on NYCmesh.net and it seems like there are no nodes in my area (E70’s on the UES). I may be able to get a solar node on the bulkhead of my 40 story building lol. Would that allow me to make any connections with the west side and harlem nodes?

Also- I live on one of the lower floors of said building. Idk if I’d even connect to it from my apt!

Any insight would be appreciated

[daring moth]

Umm… https://www.nycmesh.net/ is not a Meshtastic node list. Well, except for the couple of nodes that @gardener2549 is running.

[torn marten]

Welp.

I dont currently have a meshtastic device (currently doing some research). Is there any good resources I can look into?

And is there a list of meshtastic nodes somewhere to be found? Or would the app have all of that?

https://meshmap.net/

Is this more accurate?

[daring moth]

Yes, but in practice, very few nodes in any given area actually show up on those maps.

[daring moth]

I believe each node has to opt-in to give permission for other nodes to publish their coordinates. See https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/lora/#ok-to-mqtt for more info.

[jaunty harness]

https://meshsense.affirmatech.com/ is a little bit better but yeah, relies on people sharing their location, and even then it can be obfuscated to within a .9mile radius due to concerns of users inadvertantly doxing themselves

for a starter device the Heltec LoRa 32 v3 is something of a proven option, though a little bit older and less battery efficient than the Heltec T114 v2. those are a bit on the cheaper side but they work perfectly fine for dipping your toes in. if you want to get fancier the RAK products are a great ecosystem, but a step up in cost and would require more research to figure out if you say, want a screen or a gps or an RTC (clock) which you can easily add on like legos.

[torn marten]

Would a turn key solution be the easiest way to get started?

[jaunty harness]

another option worth looking at for a good, cheap, starter is the SenseCap Tracker T1000-E which is bit less flash (e.g. no screen) but still well featured

[torn marten]

Just to mess around with to understand the basics

Is there a “baofeng Uv5r” of the meshtastic world? Lol

[torn marten]

Seen these- they look very cool

[jaunty harness]

HAH that would have been the Heltec LoRa32 v3 but it is again, an older design and not as battery efficient

I'd say look at the T1000-E and T114 v2, think if you'd like to have a screen or just interact with an app on your phone/desktop

[daring moth]

BTW, very few Meshtastic devices on the market are operable without a smartphone. However, Meshtastic can work without internet connectivity, assuming you download the app ahead of time.

[torn marten]

Thats actually super helpful

What about those T-decks? Does it still need to be connected to my phone to function?

[daring moth]

Only for the initial setup, but both options for a user interface are not that user friendly.

[torn marten]

Im guessing those spec5 pre-built ones are just overpriced garbage because theyre sorta “tacticool”

[jaunty harness]

they use RAK hw which is goood stuff, but there is a big markup for their tacticool enclosure/antenna/over all build

[torn marten]

Fair enough. Seen a bunch of similar ones on etsy for a good bit less

they just are t called “the ranger”

[jaunty harness]

e.g. https://store.rakwireless.com/products/wismesh-pocket

but that is also $100 vs the T114 or T1000-E being less than 1/2 the price, so better for dipping your toes

[torn marten]

This is great! Thanks

[jaunty harness]

I will also say just last night we were talking about how RAK was our first hw when we started, and its still working 1.5 years later (an example of how the hw is good, but again, more money)

[torn marten]

I’d like to invest in something i dont immediately outgrow if im into it

So that may be a good option

Maybe ill get the t1000-e to give my friend who lives across the street so we can run some tests

Is LORA text only currently?

[jaunty harness]

for 915MHz, yeah - some people do audio/voice over 2.4GHz

[torn marten]

But isnt that a ham frequency?

(2.4Ghz)

13cm band

[daring moth]

That's what older WiFi uses.

[torn marten]

Ah cool

Damn, theres a lot to learn

[jaunty harness]

indeed, but the docs are pretty good - and we're pretty friendly and helpful in here so ask away (though.. I am going to go pass out at the moment 8)

[torn marten]

I can tell. You’ve been super helpful already. Truly appreciate it

Gn. Thanks agin

Would something like also be good to start out with?

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1789316137/?ref=share_ios_native_treatment

[brazen spear]

Looks like that is just a case.

Gm all. Grand st going up today. I should have it on the roof early afternoon. I'll send a message out when I have it up.

[jaunty harness]

Yeah that’s just a printed case for the Heltec, a very nice design by a designer that has a lot of very nice cases for a bunch of different nodes she usually posts on printables (if you access to a 3D printer)

So you could get that case from etsy and the base t114 v2 with just screen/no case, no gps from Amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DDLCX9BW

For spend like $5 and get it w/Heltec's case, the GPS becomes less useful when the node is always paired to a phone since that has amazing GPS using both satellites and wifi for location positioning and syncing the node's clock via the phone as well. They also tend to be battery drains but Meshtastic firmware supports pressing the "user" button 3 times to disable the GPS, which on some models is a "lower" power/sleep mode for the GPS and others will completely shut it off for better battery life. GPS was one of those things I originally thought was a must but now I don't bother

[torn marten]

If Gps is no longer a “must have” since most a pairing it with a phone, then would a heltec V3 be a better option?

Im trying to get a better understanding of the use cases for all the different models

Like what would be best option for a ski trip with friends, or a hike upstate?

[jaunty harness]

Ahh, ok - basically GPS would be more useful if you're intended for a purely standalone node (e.g. not paired with a phone) or if you were in no-cell area (but your phones GPS should still be able to hit sats)

[torn marten]

Got it! Seems like it wpuld be useful to find one that I can plug into my phone to extend battery life then

[jaunty harness]

hmmm, a node or a gps to plug into your phone?

[torn marten]

Like the T114 or t100e

Then get a proper solar “repeater” for my car or roof

[jaunty harness]

Ahhh ok, just wanted to be clear - yeah you could plug them into phone to charge if your phone supports charging, or most USB battery packs works fine too and just have that high in a backpack and phone more accessible to interact with it over bluetooth

yeah, just be sure to use CLIENT not actually REPEATER role as client will still retransmit/repeat everything it hears

[torn marten]

Awesome

[naive sinew]

62 nodes this morning i have picked up 😄

[naive sinew]

only 15 active though

[jaunty harness]

it's... not so much 15 active as 15 you've seen active in the past hour, there could easily be a node across the street that just hasn't transmitted it's nodeinfo or location/telemetry or you didn't hear it in the ~1s transmission window

or like a node across town could be up but nothing inbetween you and it heard packets to retransmit, so you don't hear each other

[misty gorge]

I saw your donk message, pork!

[daring moth]

Me too.

[jaunty harness]

woooo!

I got the Test 4 DM too but not 1-3

[misty gorge]

Only sent 4 today!

Didnt get a reply to 4 though

[brazen spear]

Grand st view

Pretty good roof

[jaunty harness]

oh! I thought it was 4th test for today - did reply but yeah seems ack got lost - still YOU HEARD ME and it's Gardener's fault (thanks for the Grand St CLIENT!!!)

and yeah that roof covers soooo much north and east, great location

looks like the GPS is off though? seeing it by Brooklyn Bridge not Williamsburg

or maybe it's just being location fuzzed? still not 100% on how to discern that in Meshsense

[jaunty harness]

hmm, seeing some SI nodes too that I'm guessing relaying through Grand (since I have most of SI clients/routers ignored to completely mute out DA64)

ZuMBLe - FINALLY got traceroute to work to AMR1/2, went through Woodbine/Gobo not Grand (or at least that's how it just went out to Astoria for this one test)

that's actually been a wonder to me, if Astoria was hopping through something like a hidden repeater or position-off client with LOS or if it was actually bouncing e/w then north

[abstract iron]

what's the ID of the new grand node?

I did see one even in my faraday appt! pretty cool

[jaunty harness]

hah, yeah (hopefully) you're able to hit GrandSt 35e1/35e1

[abstract iron]

put my solar node out the window....(has a clip)....

we will see...

[rough tapir]

DA64 needs to be tried for war crimes

[jaunty harness]

Welcome to the DA64 ignorers club 8)

[abstract iron]

omg a traceroute worked

to that node at hotel indigo

[brazen spear]

If anyone figures out how to input static coords correctly please let me know. I've tried the cli and android app.

Both gave buggy results

170 nodes on my list now

[daring moth]

… [Fixed Position uses] whatever the last lat/lon/alt it saved for the node. The lat/lon/alt can be set by an internal GPS or with the help of the mobile device's GPS.
– https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/position/#fixed-position

[brazen spear]

It's supposed to be able to be entered manually

[jaunty harness]

meshtastic --set position.fixed_position true --setlat ##.#### --setlon -##.#### has always worked for me

[brazen spear]

Maybe I'm using too many decimals?

[jaunty harness]

you can also run meshtastic --get position.fixed_position to verify it's set true but location.lat / location.lon only seem to be accessible in --export-config (e.g. not available via --get)

hrmm not sure if the # of digits matter but can try removing some, I use 40.71/-73.9515 to offset from where everyone ends up stacked in Williamsburg

maybe also run meshtastic --get position.gps_mode and see what it returns, I also run --set position.gps_mode NOT_PRESENT with fixed_position/set coords, maybe that's the trick?

other thing could be the fuzzy location though should be able to drop that on Android... via cli meshtastic --ch-set module_settings.position_precision 32 --ch-index 0 to drop the fuzzing on primary channel (0)

[edgy blaze]

Is fccc here?

[abstract iron]

can I force my client_mute node to always send to a local node and not try to address others? i.e. fixed routing

[jaunty harness]

hrmm I don't think so, but not 100%

client_mute is about not rebroadcasting to the mesh, but it will still broadcast it's own NODEINFO/telemetry/position

[karmic junco]

Ok, first to hid a solar meshtastic in a sneaker and toss it on a powerline gets a beer

[jaunty harness]

don't tempt me with a good time 😉

[karmic junco]

hahah

I went to Rudy's. that was a good time

5 dollars for a beer and shot

On a side note, I kck myself for sometimes buying things too early

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806869305706.html?src=google&pdp_npi=4%40dis!USD!6.92!4.01!!!!!%40!12000039254153054!ppc!!!&gQT=1&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

I wanted something like this-

except with a USB input. I did get it (cost me 50 bucks though).

Really tempted by this unit. It says 12-13V, thats the only gotcha Im aware of as solar charge controllers go a tad bit higher.

only bad thing, this thing is a 3s and no balancing circult I can find..

[abstract iron]

are there any weather proof small solar nodes? I have that new rokland but don't believe it has any weather protection

[daring moth]

Possibly this: https://store.rakwireless.com/products/wismesh-repeater-mini-a-solar-repeater-for-meshtastic

[abstract iron]

didn't look into whether I could use some of that antenna sealing tape type stuff around the edges and call it good enough for an experiment

[karmic junco]

electronics are surprisigly weather resistant.

[abstract iron]

?

[tropic gulch]

Can you guys see the pizza node in Manhattan right now? Around Soho

[abstract iron]

sorry in BK today or id put a node facing you to try

[jaunty harness]

yeah that's been around since start of 2025 right around when Brooklyn Solar Node (also ROUTE_CLIENT) showed up, there's also oopsoo30 (something like that) client which i guess is the person running that one

[jaunty harness]

no 🍕 spotted yet, would be appropriate if it's located near Lombardi's if youre in SoHo

[abstract iron]

I'm in Manhattan right now but way too far up, Broadway and 20s and bad elevation, to get pizza

and only an indoor sensecap which doesn't seem to really get tx out there

what are people's EDC nodes?

[daring moth]

Mine's the Seeed Studio SenseCap Card Tracker T1000-E.

[abstract iron]

Yeah that's mine

[karmic junco]

I hmmight have to pickup one of those

[daring moth]

Available at https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/seeed-technology-co-ltd/114993369/24814479 or https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DJ6KGXKB.

[abstract iron]

great size. I got mine from a place that included a strap. one sec

https://www.seeedstudio.com/Leather-Keychain-p-5769.html

https://www.seeedstudio.com/SenseCAP-Card-Tracker-T1000-E-for-Meshtastic-p-5913.html

I did the deal. 2 cards, get 2 straps.

[jaunty harness]

oh nice! it may sound silly but people seem to really like the strap since it makes it easy to attach to whatever. personally I have a RAK 4631 on 19007 board w/RTC, stubby Gizont antenna and ... 1100mAh battery which runs for week easy (haven't pushed it more than that but it'll def go since it's client_mute) : pork mobile / 🙊

occasionally I swap for the p4gr but the dinky antenna and being at waist height isn't so great - https://www.printables.com/model/1099391-p4gr-a-minimalist-enclosure-for-the-faketec-meshta

[karmic junco]

What's the battery life on one of these things

[daring moth]

For the T1000-E, a little over two days with GPS enabled.

[daring moth]

I wonder what would happen if @gardener2549 were to rename his nodes to a reminder for people to update the firmware on their nodes.
Especially since the Meshtastic release notes say this:

Going forward, the mixed ROUTER_CLIENT role will be retired and simply behave as the CLIENT role.
– https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/releases/tag/v2.3.15.deb7c27

Oh, somebody had the same idea already.

[devout moth]

Hey everyone, I will be traveling here tomorrow with 2 R1 (client and client mute). Can anyone tell me there's any or decent amount of nodes there?

[daring moth]

There's a node at #1300525496945348648, but I'm not sure if it's currently plugged in.

[jaunty harness]

there's a node on roosevelt island that i've seen pop up before but not sure if it's still up, urban jungle is def RF hostile so hard to say what you'll see but height will def help

also: plenty of clients not sharing location so could be one right there and just not showing on map

[jaunty harness]

HAHA yeah, I haven't done it yet but 2.5.20 is looking like it fixed the LFS issues so at least safe to upgrade now instead of upgrading to firmware which could hose the fs/itself

[devout moth]

If anyone else is joining the 50501 (not Meshtastic related) tomorrow, I’ll have the R1s on me to test.

[jaunty harness]

i think there's some potential for LFS to still be funky if you don't do a full nuke/erase + reflash but yeah, I haven't seen any issues and I've been trying all the things I did that triggered it with 2.5.16 and .18

[abstract iron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/meshtastic/comments/1ihzb7p/no_more_packages_from_china/

what time does 50501 start?

I ordered a larger whip on AliExpress. hope it doesn't get hung up

[jaunty harness]

yeah it's hard to say, aliexpress was already doing the shit where they load up a container and ship it over here, then someone hands all the individual packages over to... mostly uniuni or lasership but have had one or two end up in usps hands.

[misty gorge]

I'm gonna upgrade AMR1 to 2.5.20.. that that works out right, I may do the same to AMR2 if I don't need to do a complete wipe of it. Any chance of LFS issue if the firmware is really old?

I guess I could wipe it and redo all the settings, but it's really not ideal.

I'd much rather plug in, put it in update mode, flash firmware and be done with it.. maybe do a few security updates etc. Rather not make a lot of changes and wait for a bunch of reboots while freezing.

[jaunty harness]

I think it's been there for a while cause from upstream libraries but just recently (2.5.10-2.5.19) started to get bad enough that people were seeing LFS corruption

i'd do meshtastic --export-config to get a config dump, even prePKI nice to have, then use the nuke_erase2.uf2 to fully wipe the fs (need to connect over serial and press a key to trigger it, not enough to just mount and drop the uf2!!) then do 2.5.20, reconfigure and.... 🤞 1.5 years more 🤞

if you're prepared with having meshtastic python-cli installed and a copy of the nuke_erase2.uf2 + firmware it's really quick process, will take you longer to redo the config but if you're using the python-cli it's simple to script / rerun the same commands on AMR2 that you ran on AMR1, imagine they're 99% the same with only name/shortname different?

i gotta pass out, but I have the nuke_erase2.uf2 and can whip up a node.cfg that has most of the settings and you should be able to do meshtastic --config amr1.cfg to have it reimport those settings - basically ... I believe in you and I'm here for you 😄

[misty gorge]

I wasn't planning on lugging a laptop up there.

I was gonna do the upgrade with my phone.

just dropping the nuke erase doesn't do it?

I could also build a new AMR2 and mount it. then it would get a fresh battery also.

[jaunty harness]

yeah drop isn't enough, need to also have a serial conneciton and press a key - at least with the nuke_erase2.uf2 from ... i can't remember which of the devs it's from

[misty gorge]

these is a "Meshtastic_nRF52_factory_erase_v3_S140_7.3.0.uf2" file

[jaunty harness]

yeah, and also a Meshtastic_nRF52_factory_erase_v3_S140_6.1.0.uf2 version - not sure what's different, but I also have a nuke_erase2.uf2 which is what i've used

OH durp it's nrf_erase2.uf2 (like i said, passing out/half awake)

https://github.com/markbirss/nRF52_Internal_Format

[misty gorge]

I'll find out if keys need to be pressed. would really rather not mess with a laptop up there. the case also opens "out" and I can't really see inside unless I unmount it.

[jaunty harness]

hmmm, maybe longass™️ usb-c cable?

[misty gorge]

yeah.. that's what I was going to do.

[jaunty harness]

but yeah, marks you 100% have to press a key to trigger it

[misty gorge]

maybe I can run a terminal software with my phone.

[jaunty harness]

and then wait like 2secs and its and reboots back into the "press any key"

android probably, can also back up the config with it though i'm not sure if you can then reapply that to a phone

[misty gorge]

things to think about.

[abstract iron]

not sure what coverage people were looking for today in Manhattan but I'll bring a window node facing north from the 20s west side. it's LOS to empire etc.

[abstract iron]

put my ZLLA node up facing uptown, 13th floor, clear view to esb

[karmic junco]

I just got one shipment yesterday, and I placed one (a lil late) this morning.. seems prices are increasing on their side just in case

of the things I purchased (mainly) were super small oddball electronic bits like crimp tips, BMS's etc

[daring moth]

At least for crimp tips, why don't you purchase from a distributor in the United States, such as DigiKey (https://www.digikey.com/en/products/category/terminals/2031)?

[daring moth]

Or Mouser (https://www.mouser.com/c/connectors/terminals/).

[karmic junco]

I only use digikey when it comes to hard to find components (like the ones made only by amp)

but there's a lot of weirdo things that I cant get on digikey.

like for example, try finding a usb charging board for a single LFP battery

Its even rare to find it on ali express

Look at all the charge packs made for cell phones- granted people want the most power to weight ratio, but if its something you use daily, these charge packs start dying pretty fast.

Like I had to buy these weirdo amp flat pouch crimp tips as they work well for those pouch cells

also things like balance boards, etc. etc....

Going back to the seed studio items, I assume they come with the charger?

Also anyone "considering" buying a few more?

[jaunty harness]

for the tracker I'd hope so, proprietary magsafe-like connector (thought you can get those connectors off Ali too)

[karmic junco]

yep looks like provided cable

I do like its extremely small form factor

just wondering if its worth it to splurge now and just buy 4

before they update their website with the new 10% tariff

Ok, so Im buying from the U.s. site. Note that to get the "clips" for free, it only works on the first two. THe rest dont matter

(or doesnt discount). Even if you buy 4

[jaunty harness]

ahh nice, US warehouse is way quicker delivery anyway - i know they've had weirdness with some previous bundles/deals where it didn't show correctly until final checkout but could just be "limit 2" and posted in the tinies font at the bottom of the page

[karmic junco]

their "backordered"

but at least the price still shows 39.99

I figured with the 5 dollar coupon, and the free clips, the shipping was a wash

I ordered 2,

lets see how this goes

lol

[devout moth]

Mobilize location: 10am,12pm,2pm.
50501 location:12pm, 2pm

Look for “ATC” if you need assistance. I have a client and client mute R1 with me.

[abstract iron]

good luck stay safe

is your pizza node out there right now?

oh weird my node either crashed or battery

[misty gorge]

Are the 50501 protesters using meshtastic? That's kinda cool.

[jaunty harness]

oh HAH the 🇨🇳 packages via USPS was lifted after 12hrs, serves me right for not catching up on RSS earlier

and yeah, stay safe out there ✊

[misty gorge]

tried you on longfast pork

gotta stay off the mesh to allow for most bandwith for others today if they need it.

[daring moth]

At least I got it:

[misty gorge]

I think Pork just ignores me.

[jaunty harness]

😭

[daring moth]

Or maybe only a fraction of messages actually go through. I've been sending PSAs every several hours, but I don't know if anyone beyond a single hop received it.

[misty gorge]

Nope! didn't get it.

[misty gorge]

I haven't seen it.

[jaunty harness]

Oh I see now, ZuMBLe ignores everyone not just me 😃

Haven’t seen those either Supermath, once/day is probably enough (at least for me) but right on helping spread the word!

[daring moth]

Yeah, I guess I shouldn't spam it too often.

[misty gorge]

it may be interesting to have node send info to the network every once in a while.

daily weather report, some other info.

not too much.. but can be used as a propagation beacon too.

My node hasn't seen Giraffe in 12 days.

[jaunty harness]

some meshes have bots like spudman (i think that's his name) that'll auto-send like a weather report, or there's couple different BBS that can do similiar. maybe just a bot that accepts DMs and replies would be a good balance?

[proven grove]

Spud Gunman, and its meshing-around. The bots fully configurable, I just had it running on LongFast but with a stubby antenna from the middle of Times Square.

[jaunty harness]

that's the one! I'd be down to host one, but have enough probs getting msgs out at the moment

[proven grove]

You and me both. I'll have spare femtofoxes in the next couple weeks if we can find a decent vantage point. Although, full disclosure, I haven't tested them on battery/solar yet though.

I'll be printing a bablefox later as well. Now that thing looks like it's got literally EVERYTHING you could ask for in a node with a semi-unlimited budget. Doubt it can run on battery though

[jaunty harness]

Oooo a femto would be ideal, maybe in a NYCMesh location Gardener has access to? I need to get back to messing with myne, 0.97.1 works fine but when I tried 0.98 other night ethernet was sending garbled arp and I haven’t gotten back to it

Don’t think I’ve seen the babel yet either, soooo many amazing designs coming out lately!!

[karmic junco]

Who?

[proven grove]

.98 runs fine on both WiFi and eth for me. The joints on the rj45 adapter might be solid, but check the 5 pin header on the back of the board

[karmic junco]

I did a node db reset

Let's see any fresh hits

[misty gorge]

Some Project 2025 protesters. Somebody here said they were going to one and bringing nodes.

[pale pilot]

Should be careful. Our local Trump24 node might catch them

[daring moth]

You mean these?

[karmic junco]

I havent hit one node on the train yet.

Wtf

[pale pilot]

Oh I haven't seen those. Nah there use to be a node named 'Trump24'. I haven't seen it since my last nodedb purge though.

[jaunty harness]

yeah, TRUMP 2024 / MAGA which was still named that in 2025, but yeah also haven't seen in a bit. there's also Free Luigi / luig

[carmine acorn]

Just a bit unsure of themselves 😂

[proven grove]

I've seen Trump2024 closer to the tappanzee. But it's been about a week or so

[jaunty harness]

COUGHCOUGHgoodriddanceCOUGH - sorry, something stuck in my throat 8)

[pale pilot]

I was annoyed because they had outdated firmware and it kept showing them as a new node on my list every few hours

[jaunty harness]

feeb mentioned seeing it when he was in SI for something / investigating DA64 so I mentally positioned it more south, def coming from the west

[jaunty harness]

this is where ignore node comes in handy, though it'll still be in your nodedb you won't retransmit anything you hear from it and won't show in the nodes list unless you filter for ignored nodes

[devout moth]

There was two/three that I could tell when checking their device location and softly confirming. Privacy was important.

[misty gorge]

Having location on is not good for that type of stuff right?

[tropic gulch]

I'm pizza

[jaunty harness]

I’d imagine not, or at least not without setting the fuzzing to max range for increased plausible deniability. Sharing precise on a private channel could def be useful however

[gritty knot]

Some versions of the erase firmware require a keypress, some don't. They all require a serial connection before initiating the wipe.

[gritty knot]

You can. I've used this one, and can confirm it works well.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.kai_morich.serial_usb_terminal

Make sure you use the correct erase firmware for your hardware. If you use the wrong one, you can brick it. Recovery from that requires reflashing the bootloader using a CLI tool.

[jaunty harness]

I was thinking about some sort of raspi zero with a couple buttons / leds to automate dumping cfg, putting the nRF into dfu, mounting the blockdevic, copying the erase2.uf2, sending key over serial to trigger the wipe, copy the new firmware, restoring some cfg bits like channelurl and... I mostly realized that's basically the first real useful thing for this raspi zero2 powered handheld/hacked up "cyberdeck" I built a while ago 😬

(and definitely didn't steal the lipo from for a node)

[jaunty harness]

heh someone in the LES has been running traceroutes to me, ~20mins diff

second is extra silly williamsburg -> les -> williamsburg -> les

and I totally replied Ray, but the 🫏 is being a... well 🫏 so back to the RAK in the window

[misty gorge]

Ignored again.

[jaunty harness]

never 8)

[karmic junco]

Morning

[jaunty harness]

heh I just saw GrandSt 351e jump from brooklyn to the correct coordinates

[misty gorge]

Oh so grand is in lower east side?

[jaunty harness]

yeah, basically foot of Williamsburg bridge on Manhattan side

def seeing some fresh nodes in lower manhattan, though routing is going through gobo currently

[abstract iron]

interesting I had wondered why a grand st node wasn't helping us over in bk..now I get it

[jaunty harness]

heh yeah only went up ACTUALLY AT Grand St within last like 24hrs, before it was up in Brooklyn and then had some funkiness w/location Gardener sorted out

[abstract iron]

cool that's great regardless

makes a lot of sense I saw it in such weird places

[brazen spear]

Yeah so I removed a few decimals and also changed the position accuracy and then reset it. Prospect node too. Are they showing up correctly still?

How i set up the nodes was with a pi and rak board and a jumper from the reset button to a gpio so I can toggle the reset button with a script.

I just have a script set up for reset and another with dfu

Soldered a wire from the red circle to a gpio

[daring moth]

Do you think you can connect a private MQTT server to the nodes via the Pi? Then we could have daily broadcasts to attempt to inform people that have badly placed ROUTER(_CLIENT)s that they would be better as CLIENT.

[brazen spear]

rakreset.py

import RPi.GPIO as GPIO
GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM) # Use BCM pin numbering
gpio_pin = 17
GPIO.setup(gpio_pin, GPIO.OUT)
GPIO.output(gpio_pin, GPIO.LOW)
GPIO.cleanup()

rakdfu.py

import RPi.GPIO as GPIO
GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM) # Use BCM pin numbering
gpio_pin = 17
GPIO.setup(gpio_pin, GPIO.OUT)
GPIO.output(gpio_pin, GPIO.LOW)
GPIO.cleanup()
GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM)
gpio_pin = 17
GPIO.setup(gpio_pin, GPIO.OUT)
GPIO.output(gpio_pin, GPIO.LOW)
GPIO.cleanup()

[brazen spear]

I haven't looked at mqtt yet

They all have internet connectivity so it's totally possible

It would be cool to have a page on nycmesh showing the last 20 messages on LongFast so ppl know if their message is getting out

Anyone have an idea how to do that?

[daring moth]

I'd assume you could easily do that with a private MQTT server.

[daring moth]

The messages would only show up if the sending node has OK to MQTT enabled.

[jaunty harness]

yeah, MQTT really only works if people have OK to MQTT vs something like pi connected over usb/serial + python script to deal with writing/updating a file (at least in my head) pretty sure there's examples in pdxlocations repo

[daring moth]

IMO, it would be polite to make it opt-in.

[jaunty harness]

yeah, true - would also likely avoid someone getting their first node and sending out 10 "test" messages which would look silly

[daring moth]

Maybe it could be for messages sent on a (publicly known) private channel?

[jaunty harness]

hrmm, yeah could have like the channel psk above the message feed but that is also kinda inviting anyone in (so potential for abuse)

[daring moth]

Yeah, however we do this, it'll likely be subject to abuse.

[jaunty harness]

this is why we can't have nice things... like ray recieving a message from me via RF

[brazen spear]

Yeah I mean I was imagining it something like the bxtrbo repeater page which I found very useful when learning how to build good antennas. I could actually see the rssi of the repeater I was trying to hit

Http://192.223.24.195:42420/CallWatch

Damn doesn't want to hyperlink...

Anyways. Would just be the most recent messages with no perpetual log

I feel like it would get more folks interested in it

[jaunty harness]

hrmm, well I took pdxlocation's example, removed the pubsub bits and have it just (re)writing the last message to a text file... just uh waiting on someone to send a message to see if it's work

https://gist.github.com/porkcube/ad0954a24c61efab3161d103474d7d2a should be followable, and you can change open(file, "w") -> open(file, "a") if you wanna append instead of overwrite

nooooo. I stopped the script cause thought it was messing with meshsense which had crashed, relaunched and got a message before I restarted the script

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

and yeah script is messing with meshsense, which nbd for pi but makes less useful for a normal client... maybe just needs a longer sleep or something

[daring moth]

Does the node sending the message have to be one you don't control? Or can I test it out myself with just two Meshtastic nodes?

[edgy blaze]

You can control both, but it’s a bit goofy flipping between whichever device you’re connected to. But you’ll see on the one if the message was recieved.

[jaunty harness]

yeah I realized i was being silly after my last msg and sent my usual 🙊 from the desk node but didn't seem to work (well it was ack'd so window heard it but nothing written to file)

i'll play with it some more... haven't used meshtastic python library (as opposed to cli) before so probably something silly

[jaunty harness]

you were 100% right, one of the RX joints looked a little weak so reflowed and now on 0.99 and working ethernet

and explains why I could see it arping, and replies it wasn't hearing ... just like me trying to talk to ray 8)

[abstract iron]

down in S Slope today if anyone's looking for nodes. ZLLA

heh mobile node below me "goodest doggo"

[jaunty harness]

heh I've seen doggo all over brooklyn lately but not for last few days

[jaunty harness]

ugh, is ATAK always this spammy?

[bronze wren]

Yeah. I should just block those again. The ATAK in general is super wasteful for a city with how it chunks giant packets over lots of messages.

I'm not interested in people's pretend tactical applications of LoRa anyway. Perfect example of where a HAM license feels like the correct choice.

[jaunty harness]

HAH, yeah totally - there was one on SI with 7 hops but I don't remember seeing it spam so much, Xprs seems to have shut it off or gone out of range cause no contact for couple hours

[daring moth]

What's the highest channel utilization that anyone has observed?

[jaunty harness]

I had some crazy #s from when I had T-Beam in the window but since it's radio is partially fried they're not "real". On the other hand right now seeing lots of Ch. util >25%. Skip send in the current window RAK

that's one thing meshsense is missing, the metrics that the official app tracks, should leave it connected over night again and see what it's looking like currently

[daring moth]

I wonder what would happen if we put an RF attenuator on ideally placed nodes (nodes with high elevation and minimal obstructions)…? My hypothesis is that it'll put very far nodes below the SNR range, thus ignoring them. However, medium distance nodes will theoretically be interpreted as a relatively low SNR node, thus prioritizing their rebroadcast vs any other CLIENT nodes in the vicinity, that are likely less than ideally placed.

[jaunty harness]

hmmm now that's an interesting idea - could probably test easy by just swapping a crappy/stubby antenna

[jaunty harness]

now this is a wild TR: PRK1 -> EMS0 -> M8 -> 351e -> BRRN (Williamsburg -> NJ -> WTC -> GrandSt -> Bay Ridge)

[misty gorge]

Just trust the process.....

meshtastic routing. 🤌

[jaunty harness]

HAHA, the chaos of it really astounds and amazes me

there's no logical reason for that route, but it worked!

Still waiting on ntype pigtail to show up, but this showed up today - surely Ray will hear me with it on 1W radio 🤞

[daring moth]

My theory is that it prioritizes hops that are the furthest possible. Well, not too far as to become uninterpretable.

[jaunty harness]

for sure, there's the SNR factor in client retransmissions - but going across all the way manhattan to NJ is ... pretty awesome it even made it

[daring moth]

Wanna try MediumFast?

[jaunty harness]

yeah but when its warmer and we can coordinate more people

I did however get the python working to dump last received message to a txt file, which was nice change from staring at bash/yaml all day ~ https://gist.github.com/porkcube/ad0954a24c61efab3161d103474d7d2a

[tropic gulch]

So lonely out here

[bronze wren]

Mid island too. Ronkonkoma was silent.

[jaunty harness]

https://tenor.com/fbfB54Rx1Lu.gif

[abstract iron]

woah that a N connector?

[jaunty harness]

yawp! heard lots of (mostly) good things about the alfa 915 and finally giving it a shot - def a chonker

[maiden thistle]

I have two of those antennas. Both test under 1.09 swr

[jaunty harness]

niiiiice, psyched to see what this tests at - i got it from rokland cause was also getting a board one and didn't wanna chance the amazon lottery of possible fakes

[daring moth]

It looks like that will no longer be necessary: https://www.seeedstudio.com/Wio-SX1262-for-XIAO-p-6379.html

[jaunty harness]

oooo about time! though, it's not like a $5 esp32s3 won't find a use for me

[proven grove]

which reminds me, @normal osprey - you ever get that node up that I gave you?

[abstract iron]

wow!

[jaunty harness]

that's one chunky monkey

ooo and a 33S too!

bottom right digispark board is INA and top/middle black is.. repurposed rak gps?

Great Neck gets closer every day, OGS seems really be helping

[daring moth]

Are these yours? The "last heard" was while my node is in Great Neck for both.

[proven grove]

Red is a knock off sparkfun ina219, blue charge port is an Adafruit JST breakout/charge board, yellow is an ATGM336H GPS module

[jaunty harness]

wooo yeah those me! d446/prk1 is the window and femtofox is on my desk at the moment

[jaunty harness]

very nicely done sir! didn't realize there was also a radio-like case for washtastic but you certainly made the most of it

[proven grove]

There's one for Rak with a carrier board. If it fits, it ships.

[daring moth]

I received an "External Notification" without any corresponding message in the app. After closer inspection, it was an emoji for a message that I didn't receive.

[abstract iron]

anyone licensed and trying out the 400 mhz space around NYC?

[daring moth]

I believe @gaunt dirge has a ham license. However, I don't know if they've experimented with that.

[gaunt dirge]

I only got the license after getting my nodes so they are 915Mhz

I should probably get one though although I don't know if anyone is using it in our area

[abstract iron]

I have license and can experiment with it. kind of curious how the range goes

[jaunty harness]

no license but have listened to some of the emergency services channels that are still unencrypted

[proven grove]

Could have been a tap-back response. Where it doesn't show an actual message just a reaction to yours

[daring moth]

The only message with an emoji that is somewhat recent is a message saying Happy Friday. I'm not sure someone would react to such a message on a Saturday.

[jaunty harness]

1363 was sending a bunch of "test" messages and then 👍 and 👋 earlier so probably one of those responses managed to reach you (they were showing 1/7 hops for me, why someone brand new had their hops @ 7 being a whole other mystery)

[jaunty harness]

have you seen that DuD1 node that was showed up for me in Great Neck before? Pretty sure that's the first time I've ever seen it but awesome to see it's reachable from here and mesh is growing in a good direction to with more parts east of brooklyn showing up

[daring moth]

I don't think so, but I have no way to confirm.

[jaunty harness]

ahh, just curious - guess we got another out that way that hopefully joins us in here!

[maiden thistle]

DuD1 shows 5 miles altitude

[daring moth]

My node sees less, but still some crazy numbers:

[jaunty harness]

OH huh... LGA flight maybe?

some of the coords do look real close to LGA

[jaunty harness]

ayyy the 🫏 made it!

you probably also wanna ignore DA64 on Staten Island (guessing that's the D sticking out under NERO) - that's the awesome person spamming position every few secs

[maiden thistle]

Yep. Ignored for the last week

[torn marten]

Seeing a bunch of nodes, but having trouble transmitting!

Signal is fair with a couple

[jaunty harness]

WOOO but also... hmm, having trouble transmitting how, like you're not getting acknowledged when you press send?

[torn marten]

Yup!

Says max transmission reached

[jaunty harness]

ah interesting, ok that's usually you being in a place where no one else is hearing you - but you're still a place where you can hear others.

you can try like standing at a different window, holding it up high, maybe sideways - basically just vary your position

[daring moth]

Yep, same situation in Great Neck.

[jaunty harness]

buoy node when 😄

I don't see altitude for OGS but it's usually 1-2 hops - something high in between it and Great Neck just might do it

[torn marten]

If it wasnt snowing id go up to the roof lol

[jaunty harness]

JBA - what's you're node's name / shortname and I guess userid (the !####### ones) can check if I saw you .. could also be your message did go out but you didn't hear the ack from someone who heard (and retransmitted you)

HAH yeah the snow in theory should diminish the signal quality

[jaunty harness]

Buddy in Austin finally noticed a Sidekick v2 I sent him couple months ago in a pile of other things. Set it up and he's totally hooked. Also extremely jealous of the UT Austin Mesh node that's like 6miles from his place and has a SNR we can only dream of outside being in the same room

[normal osprey]

no, i need to follow up with @cyan pier for the antenna. hopefully, will get the node up soon!

[abstract iron]

about to try a higher south slope point... some of bk highest natural elevation here

[brazen spear]

I'm licensed. What are some popular transceivers ppl are using?

[brazen spear]

I'd be happy to install another node in South Slope before the winter is over. Prospect node in Borough Park sometimes connects direct to vernon and sometimes it says 6 hops from here which is some roundabout path.

[daring moth]

Continuous frequency coverage from 150MHz to 960MHz allows the support of all major sub-GHz ISM bands around the world.
– https://www.semtech.com/products/wireless-rf/lora-connect/sx1262

[daring moth]

At least theoretically, most Meshtastic devices should be able to operate on the frequency, assuming you connect the proper antenna.

[abstract iron]

I've got a bunch of 400 mhz antennas sitting around so I can give it a whirl whenever

[proven grove]

I have a 433 lilygo, was my very first node. What are we talking about? Just testing 433? Sooooo many household devices are on that frequency.

[daring moth]

Specifically the Amateur Radio band in that frequency range.

[jaunty harness]

I have some mistakenly ordered RA01SCs that are for 433, probably just as 💩 for >60chars

[jaunty harness]

ooo zumble - so I had 2.6.0 on new rak boardone but some funkiness so did full nuke with Meshtastic_nRF52_factory_erase_v3_S140_6.1.0.uf2 and it automagically wiped the flash when it rebooted vs the nrf_erase2.uf2 needing you to hit a key in serial connection to trigger the flash nuke

[karmic junco]

You ain't the only one. Lol

[karmic junco]

How are you just browsing me! Lol.

[karmic junco]

I wish that worked well but the event horizon and the curvature of the earth...

Who's dud1

[brazen spear]

Has anyone tried configuring a node with the yaml method?

[jaunty harness]

yeah I manage myne via config.yaml and scripts to deal with en/de-crypting the "sensitive" bits so I can store in git (it's way overkill/overly complex for sure) https://github.com/porkcube/my-meshtastic-configs

trimming it down to just the stuff you change vs leaving in all the defaults seems to work the most reliable, especially with a freshly wiped node but still sometimes need to apply the config multiple times, which is an open bug https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/issues/5640

[jaunty harness]

I was looking at Brooklyn <-> Great Neck specifically for Supermath 😄

[proven grove]

It's the only way I do it

[jaunty harness]

https://tenor.com/bQleE.gif

[proven grove]

I just use a template. Nice thing about it is that you can leave in only the parts you want, the whole thing isn't required.

[karmic junco]

Those signal whatever meshtastics came

that was quick

[jaunty harness]

yeah I trim it down to just the non-defaults which makes it more reliable, prior to automation I just had scripts for the common bits like position coords and adminkeys but the rest are... varied depending on the hw so easier for me to just dump + trim and be able to store in git with the "sensitive" bits encrypted

[jaunty harness]

*also not a problem most people have: way too many nodes

[karmic junco]

way too many of my own nodes perhaps

[jaunty harness]

or, and maybe - just hear me out ... not enough??

[proven grove]

☝️ you were saying?

[jaunty harness]

Haha I caught that in other channel, it’s beautiful 😃

OH! You actually probably know... is there a pi zero sized hat or just fullsized pi ones like the adv / femto / meshmess ?

looks discretely in gardener's direction

was thinking a wio1262 radio on a zero2 with an appropriate sized hat for his deploys, doesn't actually need a separate mcu

[proven grove]

there's one pi-sized one, but the radio is bleh. It's the waveshare, has issues sending long messages.

[jaunty harness]

ewwwww

yeah ok, figured worth asking cause yeah, would be perfect for his deploys since he's doing a zero anyway, just radio + pcb to simplify it further

[proven grove]

if he's doing Pi's then he might as well go with the MeshAdv HAT or a Liberty. Sure it's a fullsize pi footprint, but that's the most bang for the buck.

if he wasn't, I've seen people designing boards that put the teeny tiny seeed radiio on the underside of a xiao... talk about small? lol

[brazen spear]

Yeah this is the most recent one I'll deploy to South Slope

Will put a gizont / muzi antenna on. If anyone has a radio they'd like to donate to put up lmk. I only have a couple weeks left before my garden season starts.

Looking for donated pi02s, radios that fit the footprint of a pi0, and/or outdoor capable sma antennas.

[brazen spear]

I'm pretty much out of money for the project, but I have 3 more enclosures of this size, buck converters, eth adapters, sma to ipex.

I also have one more enclosure that could fit a type n antenna

[misty gorge]

btw, I think it may only be an issue if the node has run any 2.5.x firmware? I'll need to do this on AMR1 but AMR2 is on much older firmware.

[proven grove]

I'd still do it even for nodes not on 2.5.x, just for good measure. Since there's no pub/priv keys then it shouldn't be too laborious to do.

[proven grove]

I have some leftover fully built faketec's, but no spare Pi's. If you're willing to pick them up from Grand Central or Times Square, happy to donate them. Some may not look too pretty, but they all work.

Really wish we could start placing nodes north of manhattan to bridge Westchester/Rockland. I've got the hardware, but lack the time and resources to actually go place them, then maintaining them is a totally different story.

[jaunty harness]

that'd be me https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/pull/5976

[jaunty harness]

yeah i saw that but probably best to do the nuke as part of the maintenance since you're there anyway

[brazen spear]

@proven grove nice! I dm'd you

[brazen spear]

I put up the LilyBX which should hit Westchester and connects to vernon jersey and harlem

What location specifically there would you like to hit? Is there another discord page?

Looks like the hatless pi02 are back in stock at microcenter.

[misty gorge]

Taking the R1 for a "drive" today.

[daring moth]

Yep, I see that:

[misty gorge]

Funny.. I threw it into my bag and heading into the city.. I know it's around me. But I can't find the R1 in my bag. Haha

[proven grove]

Nothing specifically. I'm in Dobbs Ferry, and honestly I think I need a node on the opposite side of the Hudson to ping pong off of due to topography, but somewhere high in Yonkers would probably do us all some good. If we can't get Armstrong tower, we should still try to get something permanent on top of the palisades.

[jaunty harness]

was still on a call but I heard the msg noise in meshsense and seeing the ping in history

[misty gorge]

I'm in my office now and nothing around. I successfully wiped and reloaded the R1 with my phone though.

I saw a reply to one of my test pings from my office from a BBA6 node.

[jaunty harness]

That was Asra - the /dev/vuln node

[jaunty harness]

LilyBX has been relaying nodes in New Rochelle -> Mamaroneck here and but think it’s a little flatter on the sound side … plus Armstrong would just be cool spot in general

[brazen spear]

Armstrong would be super cool. I love the reviews of it on Google maps.

@proven grove lmk when you could meet up to pass those faketeks.

[proven grove]

that was me

[misty gorge]

I'm in the area, but working from an internal office.

[proven grove]

Im already back home lol. I'm in the office before 8 and home by 330

[misty gorge]

Lucky you!

[maiden thistle]

@abstract iron I picked up ZLL1 from the Brooklyn Army Terminal this morning

[jaunty harness]

what's the mesh like down there? my employer is looking at spaces in Industry City and I'd def a deploy node there

[maiden thistle]

The mesh is pretty quiet in Bay Ridge and Sunset Park

68SD BRRN in Bay Ridge, NER0 a111 in SI, UGKH WFL0 in NJ form are pretty reliable mesh

[jaunty harness]

I have NER0 ignored, cuts off the random SI spam like DA64 and any one else over that decided they need to run 7 hops

LOL same person that runs ROUTER_CLIENT can't even route through their own node running TR on me: PRK1 -> opo -> 7ae3 -> WOOD -> oop

[bronze wren]

Nodes with TAK roles (noisy and greedy), max hop nodes that are not muted clients are the only thing I block now.

I will say my area of BK has gotten a lot easier to reliably send from now. I don't hear much other than a few hellos on the primary channel but I can send.

Traces are rarely successful (I haven't gotten a traceroute to return successfully in weeks outside of my local nodes now). I don't run them often but I think there are too many cases where I still get mismatched Tx and Rx range.

I have 8 nodes, most off at any given time but I move them between Bk, Man, and Qns based on where my partner and I are spending time. Occasionally I take nodes out to LI.

I'm a cyclist so as weather improves I'll likely go mobile within about a 120 mile range of NYC. It will be fun to experiment with groups where we carry multiple radios for gravel rides.

[abstract iron]

weird - today?

like somewhere in the 815 - 9 AM range?

I'm down by Industry City a lot. you can see into NJ pretty easily. there's a node sending a location of approx 3 av and 3x st but it seems to be spoofed because if you get closer it doesn't improve

I bike every morning and afternoon and get some elevation prop over the WB or MB

new topic can the Debug Logs tell you which node your node handed off a msg to? doesn't seem to work.

that way

[maiden thistle]

Exactly. 0835a 3 hops away

[abstract iron]

oh nice that means you got me crossing the WB probably!

with one of those sensecap ...1000 nodes in backpack

[jaunty harness]

hrmm not sure, there's def a WantAck bit in a packet but not 100% on what/when its set. I think it's when you send a packet out and want the acknowledgement vs say, retransmitting someone else's packet where you don't care if it's ack'd since you're just relaying and decrementing the hops

also anyone with a t1000e - they merged a fix for the wonky battery reading <50% last night ~ #firmware message

[tropic gulch]

This is disgusting, shame on you (I am so jealous)

[proven grove]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-bell-game-of-thrones-walk-of-atonement-cersei-lannister-gif-16635977892557113898

[jaunty harness]

bouncing between direct and 4 hops to cdef but man the mesh is looking so much better in Brooklyn thanks to Gardener!

[karmic junco]

I powered it on this morning. Have not done any firmware stuff

Who is pork femtofox

[brazen spear]

That's still on my roof in Bushwick. Haven't deployed it yet

Amazing the gizont/muzi can hit Williamsburg. Should be decent once I get it up on a good roof

[jaunty harness]

it me, i usually do pork (something) for device name / PRK# or an emoji cause i have > 10 nodes

[abstract iron]

man Rx wise pretty cool I'm seeing you pork over in Chelsea. Tx wise nobody seems to be able to ever hear me with my wismesh and Muzi antenna

[jaunty harness]

ooo nice! yeah TX is still a prob with high channel usage and the ROUTER_CLIENTs + hidden repeaters chewing that up - but also super RF hostile environment and others also using that slice of spectrum

it's also something curious to see what happens when we test with MediumFast since it's in theory 1/2 the TX window for little loss in range so should be more reliable getting out. hopefully. we'll see.

[karmic junco]

I'm not sure where I picked you up, maybe lic?

[celest brook]

is this still interfering with meshsense?

[jaunty harness]

yea unfortunately, python uses the API which blocks BT from connecting since it only supports single client connection

so kinda like how you can use bluetooth OR wifi but not both at same time

[abstract iron]

wow just saw the grand st node up in Chelsea

[jaunty harness]

🤷 node is sitting in the window in williamsburg as usual

[abstract iron]

hope files are ok. found a lot of papers on RF transmission through windows

this one seems to be with respect to LTE or similar cell bands

[karmic junco]

Since it didn't say any hops then I assume it was direct. I was on the lirr...

[jaunty harness]

ahhh, my window faces north so could have been direct

[karmic junco]

What is this meshcore business

[daring moth]

See the first half of the above message.

[karmic junco]

Ahh

Wooh let's see if this sensecap coupon works

So some random youtuber has a seedsudio discount code

A00D2B0D

good for 10%. Its actually a slightly better deal than the welcom5

just bought two more

Given how expensive heltecs are now.. wtf

I thought they used to be uber cheap

I just priced out a heltec+case+ antenna and it was like 30 bucks

[misty gorge]

@jaunty harness and I finally made a contact over the mesh!

[jaunty harness]

why must you turn this channel into a house of lies 😢

[misty gorge]

I got your message

[jaunty harness]

WOOOO! I was seeing you direct earlier but had way too much going on

[misty gorge]

I just replied to you.. not sure if you got it. I'm gonna call that a contact.

[jaunty harness]

haha

[daring moth]

Seeed Studio makes multiple types of Meshtastic nodes. Just curious, which ones did you get?

[daring moth]

Once https://www.seeedstudio.com/Wio-SX1262-for-XIAO-p-6379.html comes out, I believe you could get a nRF52-based node for $15, not including shipping, taxes, nor tariffs.

[jaunty harness]

yeah I have two of those on order, but you can already use XIAO nRF52840 and the Wio SX1262 from the $10 ESP32S3 kit

it's nice they relocated the "user" button on that one though, means can sandwich them differently (e.g. needed to put the wio on top of nrf to still have the button exposed/pressable)

[daring moth]

Don't you already have more than ten nodes? 😅

[jaunty harness]

looks at spreadsheet...

yeah I actually rotate the PRK# ones around but PRK0 is the carry

[karmic junco]

I actually have like 10

3 of them are t beams, 3 are the lora32s, two echos, 2 sensecaps, and I think 4 rac

Oh and the other two sensecaps

Except only the 1 echo is updated.

The rak is still in the box

I didn't want to order from their china location. They make you pay for customs clearance. But there's no price advantage

[jaunty harness]

I got fedex (elekrow) and dhl (jlcpcb) shipments in today w/o surprise tariff fee (thankfully) - still curious to see what happens when ali order *shows up

[karmic junco]

Ya. Some shippers have already stopped

[abstract iron]

mesh is active down here in S Slope today any of you in here?

[tropic gulch]

Yah

[abstract iron]

I can't get any traceroute to work or delivery heh

trying a new AliExpress antenna which either has better Rx or more ppl active today

[tropic gulch]

Damn I'm not seeing any of that

[misty gorge]

Got some action tonight.

[jaunty harness]

hah yeah I saw what dongersz did

[misty gorge]

Hopefully NorthEastRouter joins and we can talk to him about his router mode.

[brazen spear]

New southslope node should connect them to the rest of the mesh

[tropic gulch]

Wait, I'm so confused. Maybe I'm on the wrong. MQTT topic

[brazen spear]

Gonna install that friday

[tropic gulch]

Crap

Just switched to NY

[abstract iron]

I'm not on Mqtt. I can receive them but not tx them

[karmic junco]

when it says 51 degrees tomorrow but says 10F on my screen

but then again.. it is 50F tomorrow! wtf

lol

[jaunty harness]

haha

[daring moth]

Probably not warm enough to start MediumFast tests. 🙁

[jaunty harness]

Haha if this weather keeps hitting 50s we’ll be testing in March 🤞

For me at least has been awesome to see mesh growing last few months and us coordinating, when I put up my first node and heard no one but the second node I got to confirm the dang things were working at all… it was way less fun

[karmic junco]

Ya it took months before I saw anyone.

I have yet to still have an actual dialog with anyone.

I had hoped my larger antennas were doing something (and theu kinda do) but my elevation is just horrid

[karmic junco]

What does weather have to do with testing?

[jaunty harness]

warmer weather is easier to stand outside in, i'd go up to my roof to get the most of the test for instance

[karmic junco]

Ohh. Ahh

Figured you'd just set it and forget it. Lol

[jaunty harness]

Depends on how well testing goes but likely just see how it works for a bit and then evaluate

new whip (PRK7 until I find the right 4byte emoji)

[proven grove]

forgot how ugly the current UI is on a t-deck lol

[jaunty harness]

haha yeah, hopefully have time over weekend to get MUI compiled

[karmic junco]

A pixel saved is a pixel earned

[brazen spear]

There's a bootloader ui for t-decks you can use to swap between firmwares if you want.

https://bmorcelli.github.io/M5Stick-Launcher

The fancy ui is out there on the internets somewhere

[jaunty harness]

huh, i've seen a launcher for... I think it was Ripple that let you switch between it and Meshtastic but just never paid much attention cause didn't have the hardware. buddy I sent sidekick v2 to just been going Meshtastic crazy lately and sent the T-Deck as thanks for also sending him a Femtofox, Donktastic and Faketec v3 for him to further play with

[karmic junco]

Surprisingly not cheap feeling.

[torn marten]

Didnt know EMS in NJ uses meshtastic! Pretty cool

[proven grove]

Handing off some fresh nodes to @brazen spear today; so keep an eye out for some mesh expansion!

[jaunty harness]

OOOOO Sidekicks!!!

[daring moth]

Either that, or someone randomly set their node's name to that.

[jaunty harness]

true, EMSCOM has been up for a bit and have wondered if it was EMS related or not. there's also ... h20 resq? something like that I've seen before and seemed possible emergency services related

[karmic junco]

Faketec...

[misty gorge]

I thought client mute doesn't relay packets??

Oh wait. Nevermind. Finger slip. I traceroute the muted node. Duh.

This R1 has been doing great with battery life. Not having a display helps a lot I guess.

[bronze wren]

R1's have become my favorite node hw. I did have to repair one of mine recently but some adjustment to the contacts and reflashing has brought them all back to life so far.

[proven grove]

Ray get out of Times Square lol

[misty gorge]

Going to my internal office

[proven grove]

I'm in my internal office.

[misty gorge]

Last you will hear from me for a bit. Haha

[proven grove]

lol

[misty gorge]

I'm gonna try to do your schedule and be out by 3 though. Haha

[proven grove]

Hahah meanwhile today I'm staying late for dinner

[jaunty harness]

Oh huh, like the contacts fouled with pocket lint or just mess of flux still on the PCB or ??? RAK stuff is def been solid for me and haven’t need to mess with anything that wasn’t my own fault (feed 6.5V on solar prolonged and ripped ipex for bt antenna off - node still works great though 1.5years later)

OH and you may also be interested in 2.6.0 pre-alpha builds, has the new smarter routing stuff from GUVWAF from this PR merged https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/pull/2856

[bronze wren]

PCB issue. Seems like something shorted. Took me a few days to sort it since I have my soldering iron and kit packed away for a move. Also had some flash corruption (may be related to 2.5.x issues ... watching it on .20 now)

Oh... nice. I need ot fix my local toolchain so I can just be looking at these PRs and build them directly instead of waiting.

[daring moth]

Is anyone else planning on attending #1300525496945348648 Open House at 7 PM tonight?

[bronze wren]

Busy tonight. I should try and go one of these weeks.

[misty gorge]

Noooo.... I stayed late the other night and went to grab dinner at one of my favorite spots in the area. Gogo Curry. Walked over there only to find they closed down. 😦

[proven grove]

They closed a while ago. Their chicken katsu was amazing

[misty gorge]

How long ago???

I'm a pork katsu guy.

But I had a coworker that was into the chicken katsu cuz he didn't eat pork.

He loved it... Until they told him...

The curry has pork in it.

All .. the curry.

Ooops

I still don't understand why Joe's pizza has a line out the door like it's the hottest night club in the city.

[jaunty harness]

it's a reliable to-go slice, but yeah the lines are always funny cause it's not like there's not a bunch of others that are also good

[misty gorge]

there were people taking selfies in front of it. People excitedly waiting in line. I was just rolling my eyes.

[jaunty harness]

hah, there's a Joe's Pizza in Santa Monica that was opened by a guy who worked at the OG location for like 20 years and even married into the family. Got divorced and took the recipe out to Cali... it's probably the second best slice in town (first is Lamonicas which actually fly in dough from the east) but still far from a legit NY slice

[karmic junco]

The one in Soho?

[misty gorge]

Times Sq

[karmic junco]

273 W 38th Street

Says it's open

[karmic junco]

Says it's open.

[misty gorge]

Google and Yelp say it's closed.

Also.. the metal gate I was faced with.

https://tenor.com/view/rip-rest-in-peace-statement-gif-23003820

[karmic junco]

Their dang website still says they are open.

Man.. leaving only lic

[torn marten]

Any idea how to flash new firmware to a T1000-e off an iphone?

[jaunty harness]

not sure you can as it's esp32, if it was nRF52840 based you could in theory with the nRF Connect app, but it's slooooow. like 10mins vs 10s copying the .uf2

[torn marten]

Might as well be speaking chinese to me hahah

How do I even hook it up to my computer? Only have usbc ports

[daring moth]

Borrow someone else's computer that can accept USB Type-A flash drives. There's a couple available at #1300525496945348648.

[daring moth]

(The Seeed Studio SenseCap Card Tracker T1000-E shows up as a flash drive when doing firmware updates)

[jaunty harness]

OH wait T1000e not T-Deck (that's what I get for skimming while working) - technically yes, realistically... yeah it's a process that's still better on a computer

[torn marten]

I figured it out from my mac. Have a usb to usb-c adapter. Now that i flashed the new firmware, my device wont connect to my meshtastic app

Hope i didnt just brick it…

Restarted the device… nada

[daring moth]

Did you flash the correct firmware file?

[jaunty harness]

if you got that DEBUG message it's still alive and connected

[torn marten]

Im stumped

Tried resetting an installing previous version

Same result

I wonder if doing it on a mac is causing it. Drive is being ejected before it reboots. Maybe its causing a file writing error

[jaunty harness]

nah that's the normal behaviour - it self unmounts once the .uf2 has finished copying - it's def unusual behavior

[torn marten]

Can anyone make sense of this?

[daring moth]

Try asking in #help.

[torn marten]

Just did. Thanks for the advice

[jaunty harness]

yeah asking in #help will get you less distracted eyes, but nothing in there seems off for a freshly wiped node (e.g the lora tx disabled: Region unset is normal until you set Region in app)

[torn marten]

Welpppp that was easy…

Dumb dumb forgot to remove it from device list in BT menu

Really living up to my thumbnail pic

Honestly, im a week into this hobby and its kicking my ass worse than my first month of jiu jitsu

[daring moth]

Normally it should remain paired and working after updating the firmware, so IDK what happened. 🤷

[torn marten]

Thanks for trying to make me feel better

[daring moth]

It's likely a bug in the firmware upgrade process. However, it'll likely be difficult to reproduce it, which is a (not strictly required) prerequisite to filing an issue on GitHub.

[jaunty harness]

don't beat yourself up, it's not rocket science... but it's also quite a bit more complex than tying a knot - you messed up but got it working and hopefully learned what NOT to do next time

a.lien am I cool now? (conveniently doesn’t mention he spent a few secs *twirling with the trackball wondering why the “touch” gui wasn’t working until the keyword recognition kicked in)

[proven grove]

I mean, I never said you weren't cool lol

[proven grove]

Whenever you see "Lora Region Unset" it means something got nuked.

[karmic junco]

I still having pain. Lol

[karmic junco]

That's pretty

[jaunty harness]

need to hit up Gardener for some spare 18650s to fill it up!

[brazen spear]

Yeah we found an abandoned ebike battery and still have about 50 spare 18650s up for grabs

[karmic junco]

Lol

This sensecap has seen nothing but my techo and my base station...

I will take it with me today into the city.

I did get a message when I was out on the island last night

Am I doing the math correctly? Or approximately? I have 6 18650 around 2a each. For quick math let's just say 4ah. Each one then gives me 8w. Which is around 48w total capacity.

At 48w, and a 4w panel, it would require 12hr of full sun to recharge.

[karmic junco]

Man have not seen anything in 20 miles.

Maybe I need to update this sensecap

[misty gorge]

You're mobile?

[karmic junco]

Yeah

[misty gorge]

Where ya going?

[karmic junco]

In grand central

[misty gorge]

Oh, that's not super exciting.. You'll pick up @proven grove soon.

[karmic junco]

No. I didn't see even pork which I saw with the t echo

[misty gorge]

Pork is probably just hiding and ignoring you like he does to me.

[jaunty harness]

https://tenor.com/qgNkIp2pvoz.gif

window node is actually about to get a reboot, its connected and working w/meshsense over BT but stopped talking over serial and not responding to meshtastic cli

[misty gorge]

I started putting parts in my cart to build a new node to just swap AMR2. I think that's the best thing to do.

Just gonna unbolt the old one completely so I can examine it and learn. Put a fresh tested box up.

[jaunty harness]

another RAK + 19007 or something newer like the 19003 or Board1?

[misty gorge]

probably stick with what works.. the 19007

No reason to change it up for a node that's just relaying, right?

[jaunty harness]

not really, just curious 😄

[misty gorge]

I'll stick with what I know already to make it as painless and quick as possible. I think I may add external USB to the enclosure with a weatherproof USB port.

but same setup as what's currently up there. Just a box with a solar panel glued to it. hehe

[jaunty harness]

heh yeah ain't broke so no need to fix it!

[proven grove]

I'm home on Fridays, but my Liberty with an E22-900M30S is in a filing cabinet on in the H&M building. It's got the range of a shotgun though

[daring moth]

H&M as in #1300525496945348648?

[proven grove]

As in https://www2.hm.com

[daring moth]

Oh, I forgot about the additional & symbol.

[brazen spear]

South Slope is installed

Connects direct to grand st in Manhattan

With the donated radios and antennas these will cost me $20. Happy to do that all day 🙂

[jaunty harness]

heh I found an OrangePi i96 lying around which you're welcome to try in place of a raspi0, could make a $10 node

[proven grove]

We need to get you some better antennas for spots like this

[jaunty harness]

hah we were talking about that when he came to get the piclone - should have another Alfa 915 coming from a buddy which would be passed on for an install

[maiden thistle]

I am able to tracert SouthSlope from Bay Ridge

[brazen spear]

Excited to test the range of the muzi whip in the Slope. Definitely happy to test the alfa as well. I dont think they'll be as good as the $30 white fiberglass antenna but I did ask in some other discords if ppl had used these muzi's for permanent installs and I got a positive response about it. I added extra silicone just to be safe.

[jaunty harness]

anyone tried the TE wave? apparently big with Austin Mesh people and only $5 more than the ALFA 915 https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CZFW483Y/

[brazen spear]

Took a couple panos for reference

[daring moth]

I have this antenna, but it claims that it "requires proximity ground plane": https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/te-connectivity-linx/ANT-916-PW-QW-UFL/4747973

Even on a T-Deck Plus (has a plastic enclosure), it does work, but I'm unsure of the range/quality.

[karmic junco]

wow. I suddnely got astora mesh

liek all freakin day didn't see nobody

and then half hour ago I see astora meshtastic

and deadbeef via 4 hops

[daring moth]

I'm thinking of replacing it with this, because then I wouldn't need a "proximity ground plane": https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/te-connectivity-linx/ANT-916-PML-UFL/5592354

[karmic junco]

I got someone in #solar-power arguing that NMC chemestries can go 10's of thousands of cycles

[daring moth]

If you want that product specifically, I'd strongly recommend purchasing it on a site like DigiKey or Mouser, as it's more likely to be genuine.

[jaunty harness]

yeah true, I got the ALFA from Rokland for that reason

[brazen spear]

I'm sure they can go with diminishing return to infinity

[daring moth]

Even with shipping, it's likely to be cheaper than Amazon: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/te-connectivity-linx/ANT-916-CW-HW-SMA/2694126

[brazen spear]

Google says 1-2000

[karmic junco]

thats certainly a reasonable way to put it. Not very usable at that point.

you know at some point the internal resistanace gets so bad.. that its not a battery anymore.

like saying a breath mint has stored energy.

[tropic gulch]

Oh no I think the cops are on to us

[brazen spear]

Oh that's a more durable sma 915 than the muzi

Omg is the prospect repeater finally showing up correctly on the map?!

[karmic junco]

Your assuming that is port authority PD EM?

how does one see these mesh maps

[daring moth]

It's part of the Android/iOS Meshtastic app.

[karmic junco]

Iknow Im a moron.. but... where is that map?

[daring moth]

At least on Android, click on the button highlighted in red:

[karmic junco]

which map are you using though? you have a heat map

[daring moth]

which map are you using though?
The default (OpenStreetMap).
you have a heat map
See below:

[karmic junco]

I never get the circles

maybe Im on a old version?

[daring moth]

Not all nodes have circles. I believe it'll have one if the node has disabled the precise location feature, but still has location enabled.

[edgy blaze]

Is that wtf it is?!?!

[maiden thistle]

The true location of the node is somewhere inside the circle

[karmic junco]

Well, Im glad Im not the only guy. lol

out of total curiosity..

[daring moth]

…

[karmic junco]

Its been a while, since I've even considered getting out of the default settings

When you change things to say, med fast, does the other nodes who are still on long fast propogate your med fast?

I always interpreted as " all long fast traffic get propegated. You may not be able to decyper it but you are helping the mesh"

then theres the line of confusion:

PRIMARY or 1
This is the first channel that is created for you on initial setup.
Only one primary channel can exist and can not be disabled.
Periodic broadcasts like position and telemetry are only sent over this channel.

It says its "only" sent over the primary (slot 0, channel 1). But I can de-activate position in slot0, but then send it in index 1 , channel 2

[daring moth]

AIAIK, no. The frequency slot and LoRa preset must match for nodes to send/receive packets between each other.

[karmic junco]

Hypothetically, if we had a scenario where there are thousands of us and we want to get a message across; long fast could be too congested

on the flip side, if we were in the woods, we'd most likely form a mesh if we stayed on the default long fast.

Like you went hiking with 3 buddies and I went hiking with 3 buddies between the 6 of us would more likely have a longfast default

and thus even if we werent on the default primary channel, we'd still have our packets fowarded so to speak.

[daring moth]

@karmic junco Wanna take this discussion to #general, as it's not specific to #1202833898376138752?

[karmic junco]

Ya, I guess I could. Sometimes hard to get a straight answer. lol

New yorkers are more straight shooters.

Im going to go hang a node out a window for a bit.

I think being inside- and the low E window- on a low floor- just kills it

[daring moth]

I just thought the more people looking at and adding to the conversation, the better. Am I wrong?

[karmic junco]

Sometimes you go to a certain bar because of the people, even though many bars serve the same drink.

In other words, I could go to general to get the answer, though the people there may not be as appealing.

Well the window worked

I got papd

The ch utilization here is like over 16 percent

If you see f495 let me know

[jaunty harness]

last seen 2mins ago 🙌

3/3 hops for each so just made it 8)

[daring moth]

Not directly, but:

[jaunty harness]

haha the PSA didn't make it

[daring moth]

From Great Neck, unless I turn on more than one node myself, it has never shown the cloud with checkmark symbol.

[jaunty harness]

HAHA buddy that sent the tdeck also sent a T1000E - it's even smaller/svelter than I imagined

[daring moth]

Yeah, it's quite small. Disappointingly, it's too big to fit onto a dog/cat collar.

[jaunty harness]

mm, big doggo + the official strap seems like it could work... kinda like a goofy st bernard

instead of bringing you a little keg of warm booze he brings you packets

[jaunty harness]

HAHA yeah that's how I picture that doggo

[karmic junco]

how many hops to me?

the t1000e is the first one I've had that I would kinda trust my kids to use

like put it in their pocket kinda thing

[daring moth]

N/A (I cannot reach you specifically. someone else mentioned your node's short name)

[karmic junco]

some mysterious shit indeed

[daring moth]

Can you see my unattended node in Briarwood, NY? It should have Supermath101 ([insert four hexadecimal digits here]) in its long name.

[karmic junco]

It sent I guess but I haven't gotten a single reply

Does the sensecap buffer?I know the techo does... Even when the phone isn't connected

[karmic junco]

Nope... Nada.

My window to my desk is kinda far enough and the window thick enough that I don't have bt

so my sensecap is with the window open outside. lol

Could be worse, a year ago when doing this I saw nothing this way for DAYS

maybe weeks. lol

[daring moth]

You might want a second node configured as CLIENT_MUTE, and have remote admin setup.

[karmic junco]

oh just to send the message inside?

[daring moth]

Yep. If you don't have a good everyday carry (portable) node, I'd be willing to trade (one of) my Seeed Studio SenseCap Card Tracker T1000-E for a couple stationary nodes.

[karmic junco]

No I have 2 t1000e + 2 more coming, and the 2 techos

I keep one of the earlier lora32's in the car (its usually only on when Im driving)

no battery

The idea was to use it as a base relay station

Like when hiking/camping

[daring moth]

Can I trade you a single Seeed Studio SenseCap Card Tracker T1000-E for however many of your nodes that add up to be equal in monetary value?

I was asking the person I replied to, you already answered. 🙂

[karmic junco]

oh sorry

🙂

lame brain today. Its because I ate oatmeal.

[daring moth]

Or really anyone with too many low-cost Meshtastic boards.

[proven grove]

lol I already have 2 of those, that I never use.

[karmic junco]

how come you dont like the seed?

[proven grove]

not that i don't like it, i have my daily driver, which is a rak19003 with an RTC, an external antenna, and a user button lol.
I don't get the range out of the Tracker that I want. I bring the boombox (Washtastic) in my backpack, but when i'm just going around town i need something more powerful than the Seeed. Also, theres a certain radio that the Seeed can't hear. (can't remember which, might be the sx1278 or something around there)

[proven grove]

I never said we couldn't work something else out lol

[proven grove]

Honestly, I'd trade for components to make more. God knows I have enough PCB's and ProMicros to build them. So if you could order radios (Heltec HT-RA62 or AI Thinker RA-S01SH), i'd be happy to trade built nodes for them.

[daring moth]

I'm surprised that there are no Meshtastic nodes listed on Facebook Marketplace, for pickup around NYC, given that there are multiple people here with an excessive quantity of Meshtastic nodes.

[jaunty harness]

it's like LR11..something can't talk or hear SX1276/8 but since they're fine with SX1262 it's ndb

[jaunty harness]

i have no idea who you could be talking about COUGH

[proven grove]

I hate dealing with people to be honest. The minute you ask for money, people think you owe them something, outside the obvious goods.

[maiden thistle]

Its impossible for one person to have only one node

[proven grove]

It's like pringles. Once you Ping, you can't stop.

[jaunty harness]

you're welcome to my RAD1SHes, have 3?4?5? I refuse to build w/o txco

[daring moth]

True, but three is plenty. One out your window, another for everyday carry, and a third to test that both of the other two work.

[proven grove]

I love seeing the RAD1SH name outside the DIY thread lol

[jaunty harness]

HAHA

it's just so apt

[proven grove]

don't be one of those Snobs. lol tbh the XTAL's are REALLY good on consumption. they likely need an extra cap, but still. nobody really complains

[karmic junco]

this feels like a problem as I have a few of these.

[jaunty harness]

have enough trouble sending >60chars from my desk to the window, that's just not something I wanna use or hand to someone. i was thinking they might be useful for sensor/trackers if the telemetry packet is terse enough but otherwise just don't wanna use when HTRA62 and Wio SX1262 (all EBYTE's stuff) are all fine

[karmic junco]

I guess I'll go home and power it on and see what happens

[jaunty harness]

I think the problem between the radios is also LongFast specific?

[proven grove]

Honestly, i don't send long messages, so they're good if you're not trying to transcribe MacBeth over LongFast lol

[proven grove]

pretty sure that's right.

[jaunty harness]

yeah 3 RAD1SHs and 4 RAD1SC i had misordered if you wanna build something 466MHz for whatever reason

[karmic junco]

beyond my comprehention, so I'll just ask the stupid question- who needs to fix something?

[jaunty harness]

Semtech, they're all their radio designs and as I understand basically said "yeah that combo, doesn't work (shrugs)" because the SX127x is such an older design

I know the lilygo tbeam uses SX1276, I think some Heltecs did as well

i guess look up the specs for whatever node you're questioning, should list the radio as SX1262 or SX1276 for NA

[daring moth]

Only the original model. Though, they haven't discontinued selling them.

[karmic junco]

according to my purchase history...

I have TTGO Meshtastic T-Beam V1.1 ESP32 LoRa 915 Mhz Wireless Module WiFi GPS NEO-6M With OLED Display (Soldered) for Arduino Q349 for $42.97 each

[jaunty harness]

ah-ha! i believe its the non-supreme t-beam verisons that have SX1276 and their site is agreeing with me - lemme check what's actually on my v1.1

[proven grove]

Supremes have sx1262, in case you were wondering lol

[daring moth]

Although not a Meshtastic node onto itself, I do see a listing for a fiberglass antenna in Astoria, NY: https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/612352201656955/

[karmic junco]

I believe my 1.1 was the sx1276

[jaunty harness]

there's a sticker over the radio but yeah the site says 1276/8 and that's what I remember

[karmic junco]

so.. you have issues with the sensecap and the tbeam?

[jaunty harness]

i retired the t-beam cause its radio is partly fried, reports like 2x airtime/channel that my other nodes in same spot with same antenna - really liked the hw though, and using the GPS RTC is a neat trick

[karmic junco]

oh I have 3 of them. Partially to determin when something wasnt working right

[jaunty harness]

hah yeah it was my 2nd, got it because I never saw/heard anyone with my RAK 😄

[karmic junco]

ahhh... the good old days

where we think its a hardware issue because nobody was around

[jaunty harness]

there was an issue back then with RAKs shipped out with like the same MAC, but I didn't learn about it until later and is quite possibly what my actual issue was

[maiden thistle]

SouthSlope node is making a noticeable difference here in Sunset Park

[abstract iron]

whereabouts you N or S of the expressway? v cool either way

[tropic gulch]

This is the south slope CDEF?

[maiden thistle]

Exactly. It’s in a very good spot

[bronze wren]

Spending some time in Gowanus today. Still a bit of a blind spot but I do get signals via that node. I can’t route to my home node yet.

[tropic gulch]

The weather alerts are kind of unnecessary imo

I mean it's a cool trick but I didn't subscribe to them lol

[karmic junco]

at least your signal works

[bronze wren]

I mean, what do you want to see?

I’ll take a little weather over “test” and “ack” though all of it works.

It’s not like an overflow of public messages.

[jaunty harness]

oh hah, is someone running a weather bot? i've only seen OGS commenting on the weather last few days

i know the meshing-around bot can do it, was skimming how to set it up last night and almost everything seemed disabled by default (e.g. you have to enable it AND explicate it should talk on default public channel instead of DM-only mode)

[edgy blaze]

That’s kinda cool

[jaunty harness]

ahhh MeshBot

but like Syracus and Buffalo? are those coming in from MQTT and you're on US/NY topic?

[abstract iron]

ha that's wild

[brazen spear]

Great to hear! Glad the little muzi is working as intended. It's just north of the expressway.

[jaunty harness]

the little faketec that could!

[abstract iron]

which Muzi?

[jaunty harness]

the whip: #1202833898376138752 message

[edgy blaze]

Seeing South Slope down here in Jersey.

[tropic gulch]

I'll be in playa del Carmen on Tuesday I'll let you guys know if I can reach across the gulf to America

[abstract iron]

I saw cdef up here in WB with 7 hops?

[jaunty harness]

1 hop for me from 7mins ago, the mesh is wild though

[karmic junco]

wow. Where's southslope mounted?

Elevation wise

[jaunty harness]

#1202833898376138752 message and #1202833898376138752 message should help

[sonic prism]

took my T1000-E into the city to see a show yesterday. Didn't get any ACKs from my messages outbound, but saw some intersting nodes like 'Toilet' and 'GrandSt'

[abstract iron]

just my anecdotes but I feel like the t1000 hears really well - lots of stuff Rx - but I gotta be pretty close to have people hear me

[proven grove]

Mine come in from Upton, NY and I'm in Westchester. So it could be a little more north, but I doubt all the way up.

[abstract iron]

Bronx!

[daring moth]

Why does it say Hops Away: ??

[jaunty harness]

Huh, I 've seen there's some activity further north (like Saugerties -> Albany) but isn't Upton on LI??

[abstract iron]

I don't know. I ignore it and assume hops 1 if I have signal SNR and RSSI

[abstract iron]

I'm going to be all over today with ZLLA and ZLLA1. Hope to see some of the new nodes like Grand and S Slope

[daring moth]

isn't Upton on LI??
Yes, and this place is located in Upton, NY: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brookhaven_National_Laboratory

[jaunty harness]

Yeah, so guess further east LI isn’t reaching Brooklyn but the side of Westchester opposite the sound is hearing it

[proven grove]

I had literally no idea Upton was in LI hahaha oops

[jaunty harness]

sorry, took me all day to have some time to go dig up the pics for GrandSt, haven't seen Toilet yet though! #1202833898376138752 message

[brazen spear]

Electchester will be the first step to make that connection stable.

I gotta say, it's so rewarding to see the repeaters working and being used. I really appreciate the screenshots and reports. Would be cool at some point to conduct proper range tests between common street-level devices and the new repeaters. That way we could add more inexpensive rooftop nodes where there are service gaps. I'd really like to compare The Borough Park node to the South Slope node since they are similarly positioned, similar height building obstructions, but just different antennas.

[tropic gulch]

Ok taking off at JFK right now

Let's see if y'all get my air pings lmao

[daring moth]

Can you send this message please:

PSA: Unless you're active in the Meshtastic Discord -> connect -> us - NYC metro, please only use the CLIENT family of roles. Also, please regularly update the firmware on all your nodes.

[abstract iron]

got two nodes on here in Chelsea. you gonna be pizza?

[jaunty harness]

ahhh I saw the Hello Jersey City earlier but only had the UserID not the full/short name (so much NodeDB cycling lately)

[daring moth]

Maybe keep a couple extra nodes on you, set to CLIENT_MUTE, and alternate between clearing the NodeDB on each, spread a few hours apart. Then, every time you receive a message with an unknown UserID, check your other nodes to see if they have it?

[jaunty harness]

that's like... effort 😄

[abstract iron]

lots of hellos over here in Chelsea today but nobody can hear me per usual heh

[jaunty harness]

the femtofox I cranked up the nodedb to 250, should probably just ref that

[pale pilot]

I'm very close to Briarwood (Kew Gardens) and didn't see the message

I did get Ray's though

[daring moth]

Wow, and I'm on the 7th (topmost) floor of my building. Are you by chance using a node with a SX1276?

[pale pilot]

heltec v3 (not sure if that is sx1276)