us - NYC metro

[gaunt dirge]

I feel like that's maybe ok?

There's a lot of tall buildings around for sure

[cerulean thorn]

Been picking up some nodes in NJ and PA for the past few days. Seems to be a regular link.

8A58 1535ft above msl

9f2c no altitude data

I do not believe the nodes have spoofed locations

Current mesh screenshot

So many nodes in bay ridge lol

Even when I worked in Coney Island I couldn’t pick up more nodes than this

I worked towards the top floor of the new Coney Island hospital

I’d leave my node in a window for days and never receive anything

I chalked it up to the building structure and whatever the windows were coated in

these new buildings are faraday cages! Everything is grounded etc

when that earthquake happened, I was at work, and nobody felt anything haha

We all felt ripped off

[twin root]

im in jersey, those are all real, check out the NJ chat they just put up a bunch of new nodes

these might be MQTT, thats a little far and im not even hitting those in jersey (I have MQTT disabled)

[cerulean thorn]

I have mqtt disabled, always and forever

[cyan pier]

Same thing for me, this is from my house node with not the best position as well. No MQTT.

[karmic junco]

Er. Wow. That some reach

Anyone know how much better the truck with the external antenna is?

Tdeck

I kinda like the sleeker tdeck with the integrated antenna.

But given how much a performance there is in antennas... In kinda torn

[proven grove]

assuming you just got the marketing email from Rokland, too? haha

[karmic junco]

Yes.

Lol

I kinda like the slim version. Id carry it more often.

The larger antenna makes it no longer a pocket carry. And also a point to get snapped or break.

[proven grove]

My current selection of "Pocket" nodes. The middle one being my daily driver.

[karmic junco]

But it's an esp32 with gps...

[proven grove]

none of mine are ESP32's. lol

[normal osprey]

T-Echo with stock antenna in a 41st floor apartment window. No MQTT, default hops.

[karmic junco]

Which means.. battery life on 2000mahbis less than a day or right around a day

[normal osprey]

waiting for my T1000-Es to arrive. I won one on Reddit and bought two others.

[normal osprey]

is that a TonyG RAK19003 in the middle?

[proven grove]

the sensecap gets 2 days, the Rak gets ~5days on a 500mAh (i charge it nightly, so I'm not positive about that), and the DIY gets about the same with a 300mah.

[normal osprey]

Do you have GPS/position disabled?

[proven grove]

for what? the Sensecap? nope. it's on.

[normal osprey]

Sorry, the 5 days on a 500mAh RAK

i’m currently building a RAK19007 and RAK19003

[proven grove]

oh, its using my phones GPS. no need for it on the device without a screen

[karmic junco]

Ya I kinda want one with a screen. At least I can hand those out to my kids

[proven grove]

I plan on designing one for mine (he's three so I have some time): nrf52, GPS, Screen, waterproof-ish and an encoder wheel. They won't have a phone so i'll be sure i have a node with MQTT/5G near their school lol.

[maiden thistle]

I leave GPS on so it provides time to the mesh

[karmic junco]

So.. which tdeck... Before we all got sidetracke

[gaunt dirge]

Does anyone know about a LoRA/APRS gateway in PLG?

[normal osprey]

@proven grove i got this outdoor smart plug to control power to the node and lights separately

[proven grove]

looks perfect

[cerulean thorn]

New rak4631 arriving today to replace my fried one

Hooray! These heltecs don’t cut it where I am.

[cyan pier]

I just got mine in not too long ago. Stock antenna on T-Deck plus is okay, maybe 300ft or so of range to my house node. When I get back to Brooklyn, gonna put the external antenna on and report back.

Always weary of busting the warranty tape, but it must be done.

[cyan pier]

From what I can tell, the Plus has the case (super sturdy, keyboard is finnicky) and GPS. If you're not printing or buying a case for the regular, I'd go Plus.

It will take a full, solid 14 days to arrive. It comes by the slow boat.

[karmic junco]

They have a complete version at Rockland.

A printed case, different gps and 3000mah battery and external antenna.

300 ft range is kinda abysmal

[cerulean thorn]

Just got this 5min ago

Whee

[karmic junco]

That's certainly intriguing

[limber dragon]

sent / recieved my first message tonight in bay ridge!

is "ack" an abbreviation for something or most likely their name?

spent an hour in the field (of nodes)

Started with OG firmware connected to app via BT, picked up 9 nodes , sent & received 1 msg.

Next Booted into device UI firmware, picked up 2 nodes, wasn’t able to send anything. A few crashes, not too bad.

Then booted into to ripple ver 4, wasn’t able to get past setup, fw kept crashing.

Lastly booted back into stock fw but Bluetooth is disabled / gps toggle command doesn’t work / not picking up any nodes even though I’m in the same spot and I see the nodes are active and pinging on meshmap… time to head home and plug into webclient to get all set back up again😁

[proven grove]

Ack is short for acknowledgment

[cerulean thorn]

It takes a while for nodes to show up sometimes

Node info isn’t broadcasted as frequently as it used to be IIRC

[proven grove]

default is every 3 hrs

[daring moth]

Imagine sending a NAK...

[limber dragon]

How does that work?

[daring moth]

||It doesn't.|| I guess if the same user is constantly sending test messages, and you've already asked them nicely to stop spamming, you could respond with a NAK instead.

[limber dragon]

If “max transmission reached”, it is safe to assume that message was not delivered and therefore not spam, correct?

[daring moth]

I've never seen that nor my hypothetical use-case for NAK on any of my devices.

[proven grove]

It may still be received, but high chance it's not.

[grim shuttle]

Great form factor. Just got mine. Not sure of the range yet though.

[grim shuttle]

Are you able to message any of those

[normal osprey]

There are about 30 nodes that are regularly updating their nodeinfo with me. Every message I send on LongFast gets acknowledged by someone. I get some acks and random messages on LongFast also.

I can consistently trace route and message a node just across the East river from me. Although, I wish that guy wouldn’t use the Router & Client role.

I can also pretty consistently message a node I have at my friends house a half mile north with several buildings in between (one hop away).

I haven’t tried to direct message any other nodes.

[misty gorge]

The Harlem node?

[normal osprey]

No, the Harlem node is quite far from me but I can see it.

It’s a node called EViL (E.Vil NYC) that shows 20ft elevation in manhattan.

[misty gorge]

Ah I don't see that node. I do see the Harlem node pretty consistently. That one is in router mode also.

[normal osprey]

wow i have all of these nodes in my list also

[karmic junco]

Brooklyn I think

[proven grove]

Finally put the Touch UI on my T-Deck and it makes it feel like it's worth using again lol

[cyan pier]

How was the install? It has to be done via terminal, yeah?

[proven grove]

Really simple, did it through VSCode

[cyan pier]

Solid, was gonna tackle that this weekend on the Plus.

The barebones UI leaves a lot to be desired for sure

[karmic junco]

Any thoughts on the wismesh tap?

I think I might get this over the tdeck only because it is not esp32 which means more battery life

[proven grove]

is that the new one that's been yet to be released, but they teased it on here?

[cyan pier]

Looks like it's for sale on Rokland now. With Touch UI, not minding the bulkiness or the non-fully IP67, not terrible for the price.

[karmic junco]

Well neither is the tdeck. Though it does have a real keyboard...

And the 3200 battery is a nice touch

[proven grove]

lol it's not even available on the Rak website, yet Rokland has it up? haha

And isn't it just this, with meshtastic installed? https://store.rakwireless.com/products/field-tester-for-lorawan-rak10701?variant=43920634577094

it really is bulky though. I'd do the T-Deck over that. but then again, there's the Mesh-Tab (https://github.com/valzzu/Mesh-Tab)

[karmic junco]

I guess I'll do a t deck. The software seems to be better sorted.

And probably easier for the kids

[proven grove]

In my opinion, much better for the kids. and while the Touch UI is still pre-release, its getting close to being ready

[cerulean thorn]

Got my replacement wisblock. Ordered the mini but it works okay

need to re waterproof it and it goes back on the fire escape with the solar panel

[cerulean thorn]

it's gps equipped also

https://store.rakwireless.com/products/wisblock-gnss-location-module-rak12500

[cerulean thorn]

Random PSA but if you have Amazon/Ring devices, they have a feature called Amazon Sidewalk which operates in 900mhz which can potentially interfere with Meshtastic. It’s recommended to disable Amazon Sidewalk to reduce interference with Meshtastic. Other smart home devices may also interfere so be sure to check anything else you may have.

[proven grove]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HeliumNetwork/s/BPWMoNHpNX

[cerulean thorn]

👑

[cerulean thorn]

At the park chatting on the mesh. Most activity I’ve seen!

performance is noticeably better than it was in the spring (could be any factor) but nice to see!

[misty gorge]

which park?

are you DAE4?

[cerulean thorn]

Yeah

I was at shore road park for a while then went to the veterans pier

Added 12 nodes to my db

[cerulean thorn]

N1UGK QTH router needs to update his fw

Uptime is 2 months+ lol

Almost 3

IMO that’s really bad for a router

especially a router…

[normal osprey]

why is that bad for a router?

[normal osprey]

i messaged this guy letting him know he might be using the wrong role and he changed it to CLIENT 👏🏻

[cerulean thorn]

I couldn’t reach him. I tried. Awesome

[cerulean thorn]

In my uneducated opinion I just think that critical infrastructure type nodes should be running a more recent fw

[normal osprey]

I agree but I also know that sometimes critical, well placed mesh nodes are very hard to reach physically to perform updates on.

[cerulean thorn]

people placing them should factor that in

[normal osprey]

Most of us don’t have private outdoor space that’s elevated so we take what we can get. I’m putting an outdoor node on my friend’s balcony.

To update that node, i’ll have to go to her apartment and move a bunch of furniture on the balcony (that’s zip tied down). That’s not something i’m gonna do every firmware.

It’s better for the NYC Mesh currently to place more strategic nodes like that, even if they can’t be updated as frequently.

[cerulean thorn]

Yeah man I agree

I'm just not sure about firmware fragmentation; there have been a few rather seismic updates lately with regards to encryption

everything I say is with a grain of salt included for free

I'm known to be rather abrupt in my communications and it comes off as rudeness so that isn't intentional

curt is the word I was looking for

apologies if I come across that way

[proven grove]

pshhhh so bossy

[cerulean thorn]

i just dont wanna give the wrong impression lol

maybe its just my anxiety

[normal osprey]

You’re fine! Didn’t come across that way at all. you have valid concerns that in an ideal world, would be addressed. Just sharing what i’ve learned about meshtastic so far in my few months messing with it.

Meshtastic deployments are usually anything but perfect but we’re getting the job done.

[cyan pier]

Ngl, I'm in another major city and their coverage is mad good. Been trying to figure out while we only get that robust of coverage occasionally instead of consistently.

Talking 15 nodes to 30+

[proven grove]

With a population density as high as NYC? And buildings as tall as in NYC? And as technologically populated as NYC?

[cyan pier]

You must be fun at parties 😂😂😂

Could say the same for where I am! That's why I posed the thought/question.

[normal osprey]

Austin has a really good mesh also. I was there for a music festival and getting messages back to my node at the airbnb from different parts of town easily.

[proven grove]

What's a party? lol

[daring moth]

The closest thing to a party I've been to recently: #1300525496945348648

[gaunt dirge]

Nice I havent been to Hack Manhattan yet, ive been meaning to go soon

Im a member of NYCResistor though, a makerspace in BK

this was the location I was think about putting a solar node at

im still trying to figure out if its worth it but also try to get our HAM radio setup going first

[cerulean thorn]

let me know if you have any questions about amateur radio

[cerulean thorn]

maybe it's just me but the mesh has grown a lot in the past couple of weeks

I'm broke as fuck right now, maybe when things clear up for me I'll sign up at a maker space. sounds like a great deal

[daring moth]

Most makerspaces will allow guests to attend Open House events for free. Check the website of the makerspace closest to you for details.

[cerulean thorn]

Appreciate you.

[karmic junco]

Flat as shit.

We have talk buildings but usually we don't live in them.

[gaunt dirge]

Exactly this, we have open nights every Monday and every Thursday

We also have open nights on the first Friday and third Wednesday of the month but you have to wear a mask

[gaunt dirge]

I made my first contact the other day at the Brooklyn IKEA parking lot on 10 m

[cyan pier]

Let's go! SSB or FM? or CW?

[knotty jacinth]

@proven grove YOOOO I got the pins for the crypto modules delivered today lol

gonna solder a couple up when I get home / can test one out on a RPI

also - need to do one last prototype of the rapsberry pi board and then get you one so you can spin up a node and test it out ❤️

[gaunt dirge]

SSB!

[gaunt dirge]

meshtatstic on rpi?

I really need to learn some CW

I pretty much just know SOS lol

[knotty jacinth]

yuuup

the board works from my testing, I am just adding further functionality like PPS + RTC + Crypto

[proven grove]

I'm ordering a Pi5 just for this!

[knotty jacinth]

as soon as i get the revised boards, i'll send a board your way (unless you wanna come pick it up) along with the pinout for the config file

[gaunt dirge]

Sick I have a bunch of pies laying around I would totally try this

I've been thinking about turning my T-beams into APRS trackers and i-gates

[gaunt dirge]

prob enough for all of you lol

[cerulean thorn]

SSB is the best.

Some SSB trivia: the probe droid in empire strikes back uses ssb audio set to the wrong mode (lsb or usb)

Thats why it sounds vaguely human. Because it is!

That sound engineer was a genius

I lost my death star flipper ir blaster last year. I know its here somewhere.

[cerulean thorn]

I tried that a few years ago when i lived somewhere else. I lived in an RF hole so i didnt receive anything

Ive been enjoying FT8 lately with my xiegu radio. Soldered together the interface cables for pc-controlled keying and tuning. 100watt linear amp gets me heard in australia!

Using a mag loop on a tripod indoors

Okay ill shut up now 😂

radio is so incredibly fun

[gaunt dirge]

Which radio???

I have a X6100

[gaunt dirge]

also no I was enjoying that lol

Also if you are at all interested I revived the club at the makerspace

call sign is N2YCR

[cerulean thorn]

Xiegu X5105

KD2KIQ here

i need to update my address in ULS

i totally forgot lol

[gaunt dirge]

yeah def a hot topic at one of our meetings

[cerulean thorn]

its an issue for award hunters

[gaunt dirge]

yeah def but also for having your personal info out in the world

Mine is KC1VOP

[cerulean thorn]

yeah there is zero privacy

[gaunt dirge]

N2YCR is the club

one of the things that we might do as part of the club is to get a P.O. Box for memebers

so that we can use the club address as our ULS address

[karmic junco]

Kd2... You get your license between 2015-2017?

[cerulean thorn]

2016

feb 2016 iirc

I got a few SSTV awards

from the ISS

got one absolutely perfect image among others

ill see if i can locate it

i think its still on the site

https://ariss-usa.org/ARISS_SSTV/bycallsign.php

search for my callsign KD2KIQ

received those with a kenwood TH-D74a and fed the WAV files into some windows program dor decoding

i tracked the doppler manually

outta sight!

you can tell where the trees on the horizon blocked the signal during AOS and LOS

acquisition of signal and loss of signal

[karmic junco]

Damn thafs crazy. I'm amongst legends!

My ham radio skills are virtually non-existent.

[cerulean thorn]

im not a legend im just some guy who gets crazy ideas and attempts to execute

😄

[karmic junco]

That is by definition a legend!

[cerulean thorn]

i learned how to fix stuff because i break stuff by tinkering

[karmic junco]

legendary!!

[cerulean thorn]

i used a fiberglass pole approx .5in in diameter and about 8ft long

and i wove that pole thru a n9tax slim jim antenna

it was really easy to aim and hold in place once i found a good spot

i once sent an APRS packet over 100miles on 5 watts

crazy atmospheric ducting event

i figured out why my prints were failing

the bed was dirty....i feel like such a clod.

flow rate calibration plates

renamed my fire escape rak to '69'

i tried to select a shorter name so i use less airtime and might get better range

[normal osprey]

i can see it 3 hops away from my t-echo and T1000-Es in my windows

[gaunt dirge]

the beginings of every engineer ever

[cerulean thorn]

😮

https://youtu.be/BuEziDm9gQw

very cool looking

Happy Thanksgiving folks!

[gaunt dirge]

Happy Thanksgiving!

[gaunt dirge]

Apple fan boy for sure

[gaunt dirge]

I made a contact in Brazil today on 10m

about 2743miles away

[cerulean thorn]

what antenna do you use? that's awesome

[gaunt dirge]

a ham stick on a mag mount

using it portable on top of my car

[tight island]

Hi, all 👋

Curious if anyone is experimenting with automation on their nodes like BBSes?

I saw another BBS implementation shared today (Rust-based!) https://github.com/kstrauser/frozenbbs

[karmic junco]

What freq do you set at?

Just curious if your just sitting on A freq or using an analyZisr

[gaunt dirge]

10 m band so 28.3xx

My radio has a waterfall

[karmic junco]

Ohh. Ahh

What radio you using?

[gaunt dirge]

xiegu x6100

[cerulean thorn]

I received info packets from a node 112 mils away in PA

"jtd1" (ending in da4c)

81 nodes in my db

[cerulean thorn]

ah JTD was a plane.

5.5mile altitude, 498mph

[cerulean thorn]

always impressed such a comparatively weak transmitter can get through the plane skin

[normal osprey]

i was just gonna say probably flying over because i have that node in Jersey

[karmic junco]

It's crazy how almost nobody sees me due to my elevation

[cerulean thorn]

which node?

[karmic junco]

742C,60AB,53BC

I dont expect a lot from my home nodes as I am at sea level.

about 13-20feet ASL

the only good thing is that I have 2 semi permanent nodes so that helps coverage where I am.. but it sitll sucks. Lol

Doesn't help that Im also surrounded by trees.

[jaunty harness]

mmm I saw 60AB 2 weeks ago but nothing for the others

[sonic prism]

Exciting to see my Chatham node on this map. I feel like I can hear many of these same nodes, but they don't hear me. I'm kind of in a valley betweeen ridges. I did just order a 8dbi Ziisor to see if I can punch through more than with the current 5.5dbi Ziisor

[proven grove]

Zoom in on midtown around Times Square, I always see 932C when I'm at work. Curious what else you have in your node db.

[limber dragon]

Just upgraded my antenna, hopefully this new gain helps out in the concrete jungle!

[cerulean thorn]

that looks sick

[limber dragon]

Thanks! I want to do an external antenna node setup on my car as well

[maiden thistle]

How the mesh looks on my commute from Sunset Park to Greenpoint

[normal osprey]

Lost my nodedb but here’s what I’ve got so far in that area from my apartment window with a T-Echo and Gizont 17cm.

[cerulean thorn]

just thought it was a cool pic

[twin root]

looking at these maps, it seems my roof node has probably shit itself

it hasnt seen a firmware update in 7 months

[cerulean thorn]

getting flowrate dialed in on a 3d printer is a PITA

[cerulean thorn]

im printing a heltec case

again

and i had somethign interesting happen to my first layer

the corners started to peel up, but only after the first layer was done

what resulted is this nicely rounded front panel

what a bizarre yet aesthetic artifact

the warped areas still have the smooth finish of the build plate

the top part which attaches to the body of the case still seems to be squared, so hopefully it fits

(ill probably need to reprint it but it looks so cool i had to share)

[jaunty harness]

heh give your bed a good cleaning with dish soap and water, can go for something like hair spray or nano polymer to add some stick to it otherwise add brims "mickey mouse ears" in slicer

[normal osprey]

what printer?

[cerulean thorn]

Ender 3 v3 se

[normal osprey]

I have a Bambu A1 mini (although not so mini anymore)

[cerulean thorn]

are those grey things motorized filament changers?

im assuming u got 2 extruders

[normal osprey]

Yeah, the thing on top of my printer is the automated filament changer (AMS Lite) to allow multi-colored prints and resuming the same color when one spool ends.

I’m running the spools out of (mostly) sealed Creality dryers.

It’s a single extruder so it has to purge the previous color every time it changes colors.

[cerulean thorn]

nice nice

so you use a wipe tower when you print?

i have one of those same dryers, but the single roll version

my filaments were surprisingly wet straight out of the vacuum bag after purchase

(weird right)

[normal osprey]

Yes, Bambu calls it a prime tower and I always use it when doing multi-colored prints.

[gaunt dirge]

what material?

[twin root]

I promise promise I will unfuck the hoboken node soon 🙂

[maiden thistle]

Every node helps the mesh

[cerulean thorn]

Going to a park with a tall hill

If you know where I am, you could probably figure it out

[normal osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-toss-dc-comics-batman-forever-jim-carrey-gif-15323838

[gaunt dirge]

damn I didnt think about it till now but it might be good to operate HF from down there

[cerulean thorn]

I got a message from someone in a plane or a helicopter

My spidey sense was tingling immediately before i got it. A helicopter flew by

FFFF: “Hello from the friendly skies”

[normal osprey]

I got your Hi from your portable node

[normal osprey]

they could be flying something else but “friendly skies” is generally associated with United Airlines

[cerulean thorn]

Thats what I was thinking too

I read this book about aliens when I was a kid called “Fly the Unfriendly Skies”

[cerulean thorn]

also got a ping from a node up in buffalo; most likely related to that flyover last night

the park I've been going to is Owl Heads Park

there is a giant hill in the middle

[proven grove]

Dunno how I hit this one from home... my max hops is set to 3.

[jaunty harness]

Huh, shows a single hop for me. Do you also get the Forest Edge nodes? Those always come in for me 5-7 hops even though I'm at max 3

[lone obsidian]

iirc that defines how far your packets go

[normal osprey]

I see one hop for dd03 and 1-3 hops for the Forest Edge nodes at the Jersey, Penn, NY border

The other day, I got a message from a node that wasn’t in my node list and said it was 7 hops away 🤷🏻‍♂️

I use the default 3 hops

[jaunty harness]

interesting, yeah it seems like they have hops cranked up for some reason and their packets are unintentionally making it all the way to NYC

[normal osprey]

I believe it was a flyby but yeah 7 hops was weird

[cerulean thorn]

wb feeb

[gaunt dirge]

ah I thought you were talking about sunset park

also has a pretty big hill

[gaunt dirge]

actually I was looking at the elevation map of brooklyn and park slope to sunset park are the tallest parts of BK, but also Owl heads

[twin root]

Going to get the Hoboken node repaired and back up. Ordered some new equipment including a cavity filter to deal with interference.

[maiden thistle]

Which cavity filter? Looking to get one for my G2

[twin root]

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803672148894.html?spm=a2g0o.order_list.order_list_main.11.a4111802zp2PCz&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa

this one is one of the 3 available

all 3 have tradeoffs. This one is cheap but doesnt filter everything out

the cellboost one is more expensive and filters more with the downside of some loss on rx/tx

the one made by the guy in this discord is great but is narrowly tuned to just lf20

[twin root]

I am really dissapointed with the performance of my G1 and G2. Both have performed worse than expected on the RX side. Maybe a cavity filter can fix this.

[twin root]

I was literally in staten island today and didnt hit NERO, IDK if its still up

[maiden thistle]

Should still be up. Saw it 25 minutes ago

[cyan drum]

Hi. It's me. Had to make a new account. Don't worry,. all is well.

There seemed to have been an absolute explosion of nodes in my Node DB the 2-3 days before and after Christmas. Node DB count got up to 115. Never seen anything like it.

reset my Node DB last night and It's been hovering around 40; most of those nodes were most likely travelers. Just an anecdote.

Hope everyone has been having an amazing Christmahanukwanzakkah.

[twin root]

Wow nice. The jersey side of the water and the general west side of manhattan is pretty barron due to loosing both the Brookfield Place and JC GULL nodes. I am working on getting a node in WTC 2nd week of January, but will be window and not outdoor. Hopefully that will bridge the gap and we can see what kind of traffic were working with 🙂

NodeDB over 100 will not save to device, that will just be cached on whatever your using to control it (phone, etc). After 100 it just rolls over your oldest one so no need to manually unless you just wanna clean up your UI 🙂

[twin root]

If it was a shit ton of nodes with just "Meshtastic XXXX" as their name, I booted up 30+ nodes from burning man, flashed the firmware and turned them off, so its possible you got a bunch of my nodeinfo's from when I flashed em.

[pulsar copper]

Did the G2 ever perform better? I've been having constant communications with Neil on the worse performance of my G2 compared to the TBeam I replaced. I thought it was a drop in upgrade, but it's not at all. He's been super responsive, but nothing I try makes it better.

[twin root]

no. It performed poorly consistently under many different use cases and hardware configurations.

[pulsar copper]

So odd. AustinMesh had the same thing, as well did I. However, I just replaced the Rockland 5.8dBi (which Neil advised going to the Alfa dipole) with the Alfa, and didn't help, but I just dropped in the Rokland 8.5dBi and now things are absolutely off the charts good. So odd.

[cyan drum]

I've been using this with a solar powered RAK4631: https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Taoglas/TI.92.2113?qs=P1JMDcb91o7ty6jAS%2Fx1TA%3D%3D&countryCode=US&currencyCode=USD

works well and is relatively compact

I want to switch to an N-type (Or was it F-type? lol) antenna

[pulsar copper]

Most of my nodes are Solar RAK's, but this is my main tower node with power. I was hoping the G2 would be a drop in upgrade, but it was not.

[pulsar copper]

Are you using them in any capacity? They seem ok for a road node.

[cyan drum]

The G2 looks solid on paper. Was thinking of upgrading to one

[jaunty harness]

there's a couple around i've seen in node details that seem to be working for people, woot!woot! in the LES is one - maybe ask them what their setup is? (or is that yours? heh)

[twin root]

Yeah, i have a few of the G1's and G2's as well as his smaller nodes.

The G1 had a lot of issues im not going to go into since its discontinued. tldr is that it had bad recieve sensitivity (because of a design flaw) and if you used a battery with it, its transmission was so powerful it would powercycle itself.

The G2 - Again, has terrible receive sensitivity. I have used it in the desert at BM where it was part of "critical" infra for communication and it performed terribly. I have also done some nonscientific side by side testing and again, the G2 seems to, in my experience suffer from the same receive sensitivity issues. I am sure that in some configuration of power supplies, cables, antennas, and cavity filters it can perform well (it does, in fact transmit at a higher power which is great for cutting through humid air amongst other things) but as a general go-around node I would stick with something that consumes less power and has a little bit more community trust behind it.

[pulsar copper]

Yup, I think the receive sensitivity is a double edged sword. It's specifically a "feature" but I wonder if it's just too sensitive. Maybe G2 - G2 is a good combo, but after LMR400 cable, cavity filter, and extensive testing, it's does not seem worth the extra cost and hassle.

[twin root]

You can borrow mine if you wanna see if it makes a difference for your setup, although in our area and use case I doubt it will

[twin root]

How lol

50 mile contact seems unlikely

[jaunty harness]

yeah, someone's got their hops cranked up - hilariously I drove through that area last weekend and picked up none of those nodes but back in Brooklyn and there they all are again.

[twin root]

i think its just an incorrect location

[sonic prism]

Near Highpoint. I have seen a node out there before but not recently

[cyan drum]

guy in the upper left of this image is 6 hops away :<

[cyan drum]

6 hops away from me....

I'm BKB

and dd03 sent me a message, his node's location is stuck

[cyan drum]

verrazzano making tons of noise tonight with this wind

wife still in the hospital

i'm going nuts

😛

[sonic prism]

I think FEr2 is the Forest Edge Stokes Repeater

[jaunty harness]

pretty sure it's WFLO with hops cranked up which is why those far off nodes like Forest Edge and CharleyWalker Roof creep in. there are also actually in NYC nodes that seem to either be running 7 hops and/or older firmware (higher than 2.5.x default duration for sending metrics/telemetry)

[twin root]

I got him too. Someone in-between must have their hops cranked up. Your node will discard anything with a hop size greater than what you have set.

[twin root]

What's software is this?

[sonic prism]

Meshsense

[twin root]

Interesting thanks!

I'm assuming it's doing that through neighborinfo?

Oh Christ

🤦🤦‍♀️🤦‍♂️ really lol

[sonic prism]

Hehe. Yeah. Thankfully no one really ever hears me and I don’t leave it running too much

[twin root]

Would be semi useful for my big private deployment at BM, thanks for the tip

A better solution is the ones that persistently log and create maps from that which is cool. I'm gonna set one up soon

The roof node is down for maintenance 🫡 will be back up in a week or two

[cyan drum]

Yeah i only use meshsense for a short time. If everyone left it running all the time it would basically ddos the entire mesh

Its good for a quick network map which isnt really necessary, but the option is nice.

[jaunty harness]

hehe you can disable the auto-traceroutes in Meshsense. i can see logic behind the choice to have it on by default but def off for longer monitoring. it's got a lot of interesting info without having to parse and catalog the usb/serial logs

[pulsar copper]

I"m not sure it's as bad as you think, especially well connected meshes. And really you only need 1 or 2 on the larger meshes to run them. Reach out to the NEMARC guys in Bel Air, or the Lancaster dudes (they've got a helluva mesh) They may have some insight on real world traffic.

[twin root]

thanks - I have ran a few very large real-world. 1st line comm deployments of meshtastic and understand how totally destructive auto traceroutes are in real world applications.

Feel free to check out burningmesh.org and the whitepaper from BM23 (BM24 coming soon) where we had a 1k+ user mesh.

[pulsar copper]

I’ll shut up right now. 😉 didn’t know you were the person behind burning man. Incendentally, I’m an amateur rocket guy and we use the playa after BM. There was one year many moons ago that it made sense to go early. So I’ve been, but it was a LOT smaller.

[cyan drum]

@twin root after considering it for a few days, I think I’ll take you up on the g2 “loaner unit” offer

[twin root]

DM me 🙂

[cyan drum]

will do this evening when I get home

I'm on my way to midtown manhattan to meet with an old friend. bringing my rak4631 in my backpack. so, if you're stuck at home, keep an eye out to see if my roaming around has any effect. I'ts just an experiment.

programming a spare heltec for him

😄

he lives on long island

[twin root]

If all goes well we will see a node pop up in the WTC this week/early next 🙂

positioned on the jersey side, we need a bit more bridging coverage on our end.

[normal osprey]

I’m interested to see if I’ll see it. I’m high up with direct view of WTC but from the BK side.

[twin root]

yeah you will most definetly see it

[glacial bluff]

This feels like a relevant question for any long islanders in this channel:
#1220145309028581416 message

[jaunty harness]

honestly i haven't seen any nodes on LI further east of Queens on devices, only on MQTT maps but in theory there's a huge amount of coast on both sides that should have LOS to a buoy in the sound

[twin root]

There's a decent number in LI but not great coverage because of how incredibly flat it is. If you live out there, slapping a node on your roof will encourage people within your coverage range to get spun up as well 🙂

[jaunty harness]

oh I'm sure there's more out there, just yet to see any in Williamsburg - and yeah it's flat so one good high node could do wonders for their coverage and potentially bridging to Queens/Brooklyn

[daring moth]

Yeah, my node is in Great Neck, NY and I haven't seen any nodes in the eastern half of Queens. Well, except when traveling along the PW branch of the LIRR. There were a couple nodes just east of Little Neck station.

[daring moth]

At least by my place in Great Neck, it's heavily wooded. I wonder how much that would affect things…

[jaunty harness]

Trees will interfere with 915MHz for sure but if you can get an antenna above the tree line then it's another story. ASRA is the furthest East for me at 3 hops but anything further out is nonexistent.

[abstract iron]

also interested in experimenting with it in Williamsburg and Greenpoint. I don't have any hardware yet. how high do we need to get, LOS?

[edgy blaze]

I mean, technically it’ll work at ground level. But elevation helps tons.

[jaunty harness]

yeah, higher the better. there's already some decently high nodes but another client will only help

[abstract iron]

cool I ordered a solar node from Rok to see if I can accidentally leave it high anywhere also

oops!

[normal osprey]

all of my nodes are in Williamsburg

[abstract iron]

great. I'll report back when I've got hardware

[edgy blaze]

One thought, if your budget allows for it I would very strongly suggest you get two devices.

I would imagine there are enough active nodes around from others that you should have no problem interacting with them… but maybe not.

Having two devices allows you to know for sure that they are working.

[abstract iron]

Yes thank you. I got the mini solar and another pocket one with external SMA

[edgy blaze]

Sweet! I doubt you’ll pick me up but BBEC is my always on house node (here in NJ, right across from SI), and PRTY I tend to keep with me as I’m out and about.

[gaunt dirge]

hmm I wonder if I can see you

I should power up my nodes

[abstract iron]

Besides privacy is there any reason to not add nodes to the map? https://meshmap.net/#3663029028 for example this one has low location precision but might have great coverage. NYC has so few mapped

[jaunty harness]

I set all myne to Ignore MQTT - easily hit the nodedb limit and get into constantly cycling nodes with just RF

[edgy blaze]

Oh shoot, what’s the node limit?

[jaunty harness]

80 for nRF52840 / 100 for esp32-## / linux-native is like 150? default, something way higher since less constrained

[twin root]

Most in the community have decided that Mqtt is bad for public meshes and as a result firmware changes have been made recently to opt all devices out automatically, and you must opt in manually

[twin root]

Anyone else see this DA6/DA64 node? I see it literally from everywhere but I can never get a successful traceroute to it

[maiden thistle]

4 hops away. No response to trace

[abstract iron]

does that mean fw too old to support traceroute? #newb

[daring moth]

Has anyone mounted a solar node onto their apartment window sill, without screwing into the building?

[abstract iron]

https://github.com/TheCommsChannel/TC2-BBS-mesh

anyone running a bbs locally

[jaunty harness]

Yeah, appears to be located College of Staten Island and running 7 Hops -also seems to be spamming out location often enough with the hops that high that it looks like multiple times/min when I see them on my desktop node (more likely just seeing same packet delayed from multiple nodes)

[jaunty harness]

Solar Panel w/suction cups

[daring moth]

As my apartment is on the top floor, I'm curious if I could mount a pole to elevate it above the roofline.

[bronze wren]

I've got private access to my own rooftop in BedStuy but I have yet to get much more from a standard whip antenna up there. How much of a difference will investing in something large help if I've got a few taller buildings nearby?

Eg. I think my line of sight into WB is blocked but I can see westward quite far.

[mortal goblet]

Hi NYC. You folks have a bajillion nodes up there on default LongFast, correct? How's channel utilization look?

We have 100+ nodes here in Omaha metro area, Nebraska, and we are seeing some congestion issues. Wondering how other dense meshes are contending with this

[bronze wren]

I rarely see it go above a few percent in the few days I've been dabbling. I'm probably in quiet area?

[mortal goblet]

How many nodes are you typically able to see online at once?

[bronze wren]

There are a few nodes that seem to have greedy hops set for presence which is annoying and useless afaict but nothing that seems to be causing terrible congestion.

16 right now. My node list has gotten about 49 nodes here.

[mortal goblet]

Maybe it's less of an issue there because the range just isn't as great in a more dense urban environment. Part of our problem may just be that too many of our nodes can hear each other at all times

[bronze wren]

I have had issues routing any good distance. Messaging seems to be extremely unreliable unless I am in direct range.

Buildings are def a limiting factor. Not sure if noise is another issue as I don't have equipment nor knowledge to measure this?

I'm a cyclist so I end up all over but have been mostly around a few specific neighborhoods lately and some are completely silent. Gowanus for example, even though it's downhill from parkslope which has nodes, I get nothing. Not enough rooftop repeaters in place I'm guessing.

[mortal goblet]

Yeah I guess we have a different kind of issue here. The majority of us can regularly reach each other over ~30km distances within 0-2 hops but people are getting antsy because congestion and thus reliability is a problem

Just trying to compare experiences to other local meshes with many nodes. Thanks

[bronze wren]

Def different here. I know folks are trying to avoid MQTT propagation by default because of this congestion.

It'd be interesting to have initial routing and final hops use different coding. So you could do long-fast for hop 3, medium-fast for hop 2, and short-fast for hop 1/0.

I don't think it's something hardware can support but it'd be interesting to simulate the broadcast amplification in each case.

[jaunty harness]

We def have some congestion from nodes running older firmware and 7 hops

messages usually get through but traceroutes seem like total crap shoot lately, and I'm fairly certain there's more than one hidden REPEATER in Brooklyn along with the ROUTER_CLIENTs. for Omaha you may be able to alleviate some congestion with the new ROUTER_LATE role in places seeing the worst, it'll delay retransmission instead of just sending it out. other thing would be maybe ping the Austin Mesh people, NYC is pretty ad-hoc but Austin seems to be very well organized.

[bronze wren]

@jaunty harness which area is this from? I haven't seen anything nearly as dense.

[mortal goblet]

Our ChUtil is even worse than this basically all over town and it is sort of a mystery why that is lol

We are starting to experiment with ROUTER_LATE to try to fill in our downtown area that has a hard time getting in and out to the rest of the mesh

[jaunty harness]

Williamsburg, look for pork - / PRK# nodes

[mortal goblet]

There's ~2 rogue repeaters here, 1 rogue router_client, and 2 well configured routers with very good range

[jaunty harness]

hrmmm, there could be SOME other usage of 915MHz in the area but I'd imagine we'd have it much worse. the rogues are probably part of your problem but ignoreing them only does so much, and everyone would need to do it

[mortal goblet]

I don't believe the rogue repeaters and router_client are actually a big part of our problem. something weird is going on here and trying to figure out what that is is part of why I'm going around bugging other communities. thanks for the pointer to Austin, I'll be sure to harass them

[jaunty harness]

heh no prob, and good luck!

[bronze wren]

I haven't seen any of those nodes reach over here. Odd that it's not so far but I guess enough stands in the way. I'll see if I can get better elevation.

[jaunty harness]

I could always crank my hops 🙄

I have blindspots to the south/southeast but see nodes up/down manhattan and some over in NJ

[bronze wren]

It's all good. I'm very new to this and working up plans on getting around these blind areas to connect to a wider area.

I do have one rooftop and I'll look for others. I need to probably buy a good outdoor enclosure and ant.

But right now I'm seeing between 0-5% utilization so it's very dead here.

Similar towards Flatbush, Kensington, Gowanus and some in-between spots I've visited this weekend.

[jaunty harness]

huh yeah that could also be your device/antenna as well as environment - inside my apt things look way less noisy, but also client_mute node with small antenna. height is pretty key so even just leaving a node up on a roof for like an hour should give a better picture of what's going

[bronze wren]

On my rooftop and a whip antenna I pretty much see the same as inside.

I've managed to get traceroutes working maybe 1% of the time. I've not managed to send any messages greater than a zero-hop direct from my own nodes to my own nodes. So I'd count it as a deadzone.

[jaunty harness]

dang, there's def some north/north west of BedStuy that should be able in range like GOBO and Woodbine solar nodes

may want to check out Affirmtech's Meshsense on a window node, def gives a better insight into the mesh

Inactive nodes enabled, otherwise right now not seeing anyone

[bronze wren]

I see them but can't manage to comm.

Hopefully I can get something better set up on my roof and open up my area.

[gritty knot]

Note there's a bug in that role for 2.5.18 - it can sometimes get stuck if the TX queue fills up. This is fixed for 2.5.19.

[mortal goblet]

Yep, I'm from the Omaha group, you hopped in there and made us aware and provided some builds with the relevant change pulled in on top of 2.5.18 (thanks) 🙂

[gritty knot]

Oh good - I didn't realise you were there as well! I've just been watching for ROUTER_LATE turning up on the server-wide search and trying to provide some support for it when I find it. I feel like as I was the person who added the role, I have some responsibility to ensure that early adopters are properly supported when trying to use it. Especially when the bug in question was also my fault 🙂

[twin root]

We hover between 15 and 25%.

That is already the danger zone for congestion, anything above or around 25%

[twin root]

Yeah this is basically unusable

I'm doing some data logging right now, I'm going to figure out who the big offenders are and start trying to locate them and help them to improve their configurations

[normal osprey]

I messaged a guy in the east village to change his node at 12 ft elevation from router to client and he did it

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-gif-18102989

[jaunty harness]

k, pretty much doing the same but just observing... also really tempted to fire up one of the faketecs named please update firmware

[twin root]

There's lots of proposals for ways to fix this wholesale, the developers are super aware

[sonic prism]

I'm stuck behind the watching mountains unfortuantely, so I can't see any nodes in NYC or Saten Island from my position in NJ

[jaunty harness]

I've seen you Jake, though 5 hops so makes sense you don't see the NYC side

[sonic prism]

yeah, I don't get out often. Takes some atomospheric scatter

I hit a ridge pretty quickly in pretty much every direction

[jaunty harness]

hrmm, need one of those router nodes to actually be up high on a mountain

[sonic prism]

There are a few pretty high nodes in western NJ that I can see sometimes. (Forest Edge)

[jaunty harness]

yeah, and they have 7 hops so they show up here often

[bronze wren]

Re firmware updates: I am running stable @ 2.5.15. Are the alpha builds useful outside of dev work and specific hardware support changes?

(I should probably ask this in #firmware)

[jaunty harness]

hehe, anything 2.5.1x should be good as it lowered transmission rates for telemetry/location and helps lower congestion. the rest is new stuff like router late role and general bug fixes (sweeping understatement, but those are the highlights i'm aware of)

[bronze wren]

Gotcha. I'll keep stable on until I'm looking at anything more advanced.

[jaunty harness]

i've played with 2.5.19 as needed a custom firmware build, seemed to work fine but ended up downgrading back to 2.5.15 and kept existing cfg. mostly just be sure to back up public/private keys for a node and can be pretty adventurous with it

[jaunty harness]

Look who just popped up, not sure if actually direct connection or hopped

[bronze wren]

Nice. That's one of my nodes. (One of 3 right now)

I've been swapping nodes around different spots to see what works. I ended up keeping this one at home since the battery life in this unit leaves a lot to be desired so it's powered by a large external bank.

Someone relocated a node on Myrtle which helped get some hops.

I was in Lefferts and still had issues finding any routes back uphill... just too many miles w/o line of sight for routing. I'll need to find some friends at the top of the hill that have good visibility to help.

[brave wigeon]

Erayd, I am a huge fan of the ROUTER_LATE feature. Thank you thank you thank you for this. I have been trying to find support for this for a long time, I called it "Lazy Repeater". You have put in a tremendous amount of with with @cursive mural , thank you GUVWAF for lending your expertise to this one. Bravo.

My question is simply, when do you think this will hit the beta branch, and be supported in web?

Cheers!!!!

[gritty knot]

#firmware message

[twin root]

Drive out to Staten Island (had to drive my wife out here) Gathering some info about the DA6 node. Will report back

Hops cranked to 7

[daring moth]

Wow, I cannot believe how bad the stock T-Deck Plus antenna is. I just got a Seeed Studio SenseCap Card Tracker T1000-E and installed a 3rd party antenna on my T-Deck Plus. From my home in Great Neck, as soon as I got both working, the node list added over a dozen nodes. For some reason, many nodes say Hops Away: ?. I don't know why.

[twin root]

That just means you didn't get that part of the nodeinfo, or they're just an older firmware where that feature is not supported. I would leave your no doubt a little while and see if you get that info once it settles down collecting everybody's stuff

😂😂😂😂 only on Staten Island 🙂

Here is the culprit, DA64 is sending his location every 5 seconds flooding the entire mesh

[jaunty harness]

hah yeah went up a few months ago, waiting to see if they remember it's 2025

[jaunty harness]

fffffffffffive secs??!?!? i mean i've been seeing mostly one/minute but that's wild

[twin root]

Yeah look at the timestamps. 5 seconds.

He's 80% of the traffic out here

[jaunty harness]

pretty sure they're on a recent firmware (e.g. see 🔒) so that's some wild bug

[twin root]

I'm going to try and drive a little closer and see if I can get a direct connection, in order to see the nodes channel utilization

[jaunty harness]

hrmmm from ~2hrs ago when my desktop last saw it: "deviceMetrics": { "batteryLevel": 91, "voltage": 4.065999984741211, "channelUtilization": 24.801666259765625, "airUtilTx": 7.892333030700684, "uptimeSeconds": 1209162 },

really recent FW actually, from window node i only have 4 telemetry entries and all are 22-24% utilization

[bronze wren]

I need to script up an ignore-list tool to keep my nodes up to date. DA64 definitely belongs there as do many of the other hop 7 broadcasters.

Since I’ve repositioned one of my nodes my utilization has gone crazy with this noise.

[twin root]

I'm now 20+ miles away and I still get his shit every 5 seconds.

We can take a learning from both burning Man and defcon. In those firmwares, it was hard coded that even if somebody increase their hop limit to seven, The individual nodes would ignore it.

As in, if you're node received a packet with a hop count of four, it would just discard the packet and not re-transmit

This is a great solution because people who want hop count of seven can go ahead and do that, and people who are okay with receiving those packets, they can go ahead and do that too

But by default it would discard the traffic

[bronze wren]

I was about to add that to my todo list. Autoblocking heuristics on my personal nodes. I haven’t explored the firmware yet.

[twin root]

Feel free to check out the event firmware from burning Man and defcon, it's on GitHub. Those were basically the only major changes that were made, so they should be easy to find in the firmware

[bronze wren]

I would also consider dropping the hop from 7 to 2 or even 0 after you see repeats in a window and then ignore beyond that.

[twin root]

I added DA64 to my ignore list. And we'll make sure to add it to the list of the node that is going on the world trade center this week

[twin root]

This is a great idea!

That's an awesome idea man

We should put this in as a feature request for real, I can draft it up.

[bronze wren]

I wanted to sim it first.

But it makes intuitive sense to axe it to a router max hop setting and then ramp it down till it gets ignored based on a window

Clients could be simpler and just drop it down to 0 or something

I’m new to LoRa so I am trying to learn before I suggest we do any of it but I’ve definitely dealt with noisy network issues when working on replication systems in the db world.

[twin root]

It's a really great idea. Way better then killing the whole packet

[jaunty harness]

Oh man, yeah I could def see that doing wonders for dropping down utilization %

I go back and forth on 7 hops ... it's a public shared spectrum so hard to just be "7 bad so you're doing bad" cause I can see a use for 7 hops to actually extend meshes but then I look at what's going on in Meshsense and... its not always hurting/a problem until you get someone like DA64

also thanks feeb for going out and confirming how crazy that node is behaving!

[twin root]

No problem! Had to be near there for wife's roller derby game. Drove basically right up to the college, less than 500m away from the node.

It's on a college campus so didn't want to go in

[abstract iron]

wait for real, a wtc node?

[twin root]

Yes! Possibly going up tomorrow, with a battery backup too

[abstract iron]

wow

that will be amazing!

how...?

[twin root]

My buddies company has an entire floor, around the hundredth floor

[abstract iron]

wow v nice

[jaunty harness]

any idea which direction it'll be facing?

[twin root]

Jersey side

Sorry to my Brooklyn peeps but we need some more coverage out here 🙂

[abstract iron]

fair enough. i have LOS to wtc from uptown at work and maybe I'll be able to hit wtc anyway

if there's an entire floor can we donate a BK side one 😀

[jaunty harness]

hehe we'll survive... and probably see it via the 7 hop router_clients anyway 😄

[maiden thistle]

DA64 now last heard at 11p last night

[sonic prism]

I checked. I have my hops set to 5 because it takes 1-2 hops off my local nodes before hopefully getting out to the wider mesh. That said it’s pretty quiet here in this valley. Need a well positioned passing car node or good atmospheric conditions to see the NYC mesh.

[bronze wren]

I’ve started ignoring 5+ hop nodes on my most visible node for now but I think the real answer is to adaptively clamp hops based on congestion and recency (calculating a running score for each node so 5s broadcasts are punished if paired with high hop count). I need to see what’s feasible but the basics should only have constant overhead.

In an ideal setup we allow lots of hops for quiet nodes. It’s really the greedy ones that need fixed.

[sonic prism]

Also might be an idea to ignore large hops for telemetry, but allow messaging through for example. Stuff that's transmitted on an interval is more disruptive then an occasional message

[bronze wren]

Tracker use is something that makes sense though so hop count really comes down to frequency.

It’d be useful to set a broadcast interval for a 7 hop count and then a separate one in between for 3.

For stationary nodes it makes very little sense imo.

[karmic junco]

oh your node ive seen

[karmic junco]

there's no reason to mount a solar node when you can just run the antenna outside and keep the unit inside plugged into power.

[karmic junco]

Its never that high. due to the flatness of NYC, channel utilization is actually extremely low. I've not seen over 5%.

[karmic junco]

Can you zoom in on whitestone/northern east queens. I want to see if you've seen any of my nodes

[misty gorge]

It's tomorrow..... Is it up?? 🙂

[abstract iron]

what location you are in?

[sonic prism]

Chatham

[jaunty harness]

Yeah, I bump up to 4 for inside client_mute, totally reasonable use. Its the people who just crank to 7 that end up causing silliness like Forest Edge nodes showing up in Brooklyn.

[jaunty harness]

Hrmm, missing the Astoria Meshtastic 001/2 nodes but that's pretty much all I see in Queens from the window (the DB has been cycling a lot lately)

[misty gorge]

Where are you located?

[jaunty harness]

Union & Grand (the PRK3 in above image) - basically right where the GPS loose positioning puts me

[misty gorge]

Cool.. You see the astoria nodes down there?

[jaunty harness]

Yeah 001 and 002 usually show up direct, OH I know they're not showing up because they don't have position

[misty gorge]

yeah.. they are sending position on their main channel.. which is not longfast.

[jaunty harness]

AHHHHH

[misty gorge]

I don't see PRK3 on my list though.. 😦

[jaunty harness]

yeah it's just a t-beam in the window and getting out has been real issue lately. probably gonna swap the window node out for one of my E22-900M30S based nodes

[misty gorge]

I see SWARM and FR2.

and even WOOF

[jaunty harness]

ahh nice, WOOF just came (back? I feel like it was up a few months ago) up yesterday and seems strong/reliable so far

[misty gorge]

glad to see more nodes popping up.

I still find connectivity via longfast to be pretty spotty

[abstract iron]

my nodes should be arriving today.. looking forward to getting up

I'll have BK nodes and if I'm lucky later want to get one up at work in Manhattan

at about ten floor elevation

[jaunty harness]

What preset are you using? It seems most people move to MediumFast but I've seen the devs hint that MediumSlow is better

[abstract iron]

happy to see all these nodes on the map. I tried to get going with this on Gotennna but the critical mass never hit

[misty gorge]

long fast default.

I didn't know people were doing different now.

[jaunty harness]

ahh k, yeah from reading up on what other meshes are doing some have moved to different presets (pretty sure the NZ mesh is on Mediumsomething)

[jaunty harness]

its far better than when I setup my first node summer 23, and saw no one for 2 weeks until I got a 2nd 😄

[misty gorge]

cool.. I just made contact with Woot who said he was by the manhattan bridge.

[jaunty harness]

waiiit you're Ray?!?!

[misty gorge]

yes.

[jaunty harness]

haha awesome!

RSG2 always seems to get through here

[misty gorge]

I don't see you on my list.. 😦

You may need more hops.. it takes 2 hops to get in and out of where I am.

3 hops probably won't do it to get to me.

[jaunty harness]

yeah I'm at 3 but can't even get msg out w/o max retransmission

(hence swapping out the window to something that's not SX1278 and more power)

[misty gorge]

What if you kicked it up to 4?

[jaunty harness]

What firmware are running on ASM1/2? I always see no padlock and no pubkey in Meshsense

[misty gorge]

2 is running really old firmware cuz it's on a roof I don't have access easily.

1 is running something more recent.. I forget what it is.

[jaunty harness]

ahhh, they're actually not super spammy or anything - just curious

gonna try bumping hops on the window node but pretty sure node is just hearing too much to find a tx window before it timesout

[twin root]

Your util is already in the packet loss zone

[misty gorge]

I think AMR2 is running like 2.2.1x or something.

I've been meaning to go up there and update, but low priority cuz.. it seems to be chugging along.

[jaunty harness]

also COLD

[misty gorge]

It think it would only take me 10 min to update it. But also.. watch me break a USB connector or something doing it.. or rip out a battery wire..

[jaunty harness]

yeah, things were ok until like a week ago and DA64 starting pushing things consistently above 25% 😢

hah yeah for sure, ain't broke no need to fix it

[misty gorge]

I just read that earlier today and added ignores to my nodes for that.

[twin root]

Did u ignore the node? I'm actually unsure how the ignore function works, if it's still going to affect the channel utilization

At a minimum you're not going to retransmit and you're going to decrease congestion for the rest of the network, and also reduce your air utilization time

When your air utilization time goes up that is when you start missing packets

[jaunty harness]

yeah even at 5 hops i'm seeing the packet on my desktop but seems to still max retransmit

[twin root]

Anything about 25% channel utilization means that there's not a 100% guarantee you're going to receive the packet

[twin root]

That just means you have no one around that can hear you, increasing hops even above one is not going to help that

It is possible your channel utilization is literally so high that you're sending the message and unable to process the acknowledgment from the neighboring nodes

This is probably exactly what's happening because you're channel utilization is so high, I would find it highly unlikely that you only have a half duplex connection to all of those nodes. Your device is literally too busy to process the responses because of the shitty node

[jaunty harness]

hmmm, yeah def sounds likely - really i need to dig out the laptop and watch the logs on the window node and see what's actually happening

IIRC the ignore is funky, like ignore DA64 works but ignoring the router inbetween works better to not see DA64 . probably misrembering

[abstract iron]

pork which way your window faces? when I get up I'm , I think, within a 5-10 min walk of you in WB

I'll have a south facing window to start

and I got some Muzi works larger antenna for one of the nodes in the hopes it will help with prop

[jaunty harness]

@twin root GRAF just popped up for me

i'm facing due North

[abstract iron]

nice

[twin root]

woo! That's the WTC node 🙂

[abstract iron]

!!!!

[bronze wren]

In Bedstuy

[jaunty harness]

hehe figured, good name for 100th flr!

[twin root]

Gonna head to the roof and see if I can hit it

[misty gorge]

I can see the WTC node

[jaunty harness]

need more time but looks like SI (e.g. MAGA router) is now a single hop for me instead of 2, so we're still benefiting from it even facing west

[normal osprey]

I’ve got my window T-Echo pointed at the WTC. Checking if I can see you now. My nodes are named after dwarves. This one is called Sleepy.

Don’t see it in my node list yet but just turned my node on after it had died.

[twin root]

I just hit it direct from Hoboken 🙂

[jaunty harness]

Pretty sure it's higher up than Harlem Relay

[misty gorge]

Do we know how high Harlem relay is?

Funny how the WTC node is probably the highest in NYC right now and it's set to client. But we have others set to router.

[twin root]

Yeah because I'm not trying to cuck the mesh lol

But I can remote admin it, so maybe one day we can change it for a few hours and see if it makes a difference

[misty gorge]

Looks like I can't consistently hit the WTC node from Astoria. But I did see it on my list.

[normal osprey]

How is the node positioned? Is it against a window?

I just got it. direct but low signal from williamsburg.

unable to deliver direct messages so far

[twin root]

He's fucking with it right now and moving it around

[twin root]

It's on the Jersey side, the thought process being is that we don't have a ton of shit bridging us to you, so if this node picks up one strong Manhattan or Brooklyn node we're going to be able to route through

I can ask him to rotate it next week just to see what happens, to the Brooklyn side of the building

[normal osprey]

all good! i totally understand. just giving some data points

[twin root]

(also I have blocked da64)

[misty gorge]

looks like I need woot! to get to the WTC node.

yeah was able to traceroute to WTC once and getting nothing now. oh well. nice to know it's there.

[jaunty harness]

nice! WOOT also seems to be fairly reliable/consistent node in LES

[twin root]

We get the Manhattan 82C node really consistently in Jersey too

I don't know who owns that, but we get a great connection to it

I'm off the roof now, that node is probably going to be clogged up for the next half hour gathering nodeinfo

Maybe if the wind calms down later I'll send this guy up

(it's legal don't worry 🙂 ) I thankfully live in an area with none of that IFR flight restrictions

(part107, remoteid, the whole shebang taken care of on my end)

[jaunty harness]

ahh so you were the one running the fleet of drones all over NJ few weeks ago 😝

[twin root]

Dude you don't know how scared I've been to fly this thing since that all started happening

I'm afraid someone's going to call the bomb squad or something

[jaunty harness]

haha I can imagine, so much sillyness going on around it

[misty gorge]

We all know those things weren't drones...they were UFOs....

Any there any premade meshtastic devices with a physical on/off switch besides the nano devices?

I got my GF a Muzi R1 to keep in her bag in case of emergencies.. but that thing keeps "turning itself on"

[jaunty harness]

not sure, I've just been using user button on my RAK and DIYs, long press to shutdown and boot from a press

[normal osprey]

i’m printing cases for my T-1000Es so they don’t turn on with a button press. Already have a case on my T-Echoes that recesses the power button a bit.

[misty gorge]

the R1 has this but the unit is either turning itself on.. or the button is getting bumped even with tape over it.

[jaunty harness]

huh yeah I'm looking at the R1 case and the buttons are nicely recessed

[misty gorge]

Not good enough. It's a nice little device though.

[jaunty harness]

is there any play/space between the button and RAK? I had to stick some VHB tape in the Alley Cat T-BEAM case to get things snug

[misty gorge]

I haven't opened it. Maybe I will.

[jaunty harness]

yeah that's def weird, have only heard good things about Muzi

[normal osprey]

this is the T1000-E case i’m gonna test. perfectly covers the button. T1000-E is my daily driver.

[misty gorge]

I only have that one R1 unit so I can't comment if its all the units with this problem, or just the one I have.

the G2 nano I have has a physical sliding switch for power.

[jaunty harness]

yeah the TonyG cases usually have option for traditional switch, the pg4r faketec case also has a model with space for one but I printed myne before that and just admin it off

got the laptop on the window node now... it's def crazy high % Can not send yet, busyRx (3-5x) but then also seeing a lot of Ignore received packet due to error=-7 which is CRC mismatch and makes sense if the utilization is so high it can't actually get a complete valid packet to decode.

[twin root]

The t1000e

It has a button

You can press it to turn it on

Let me see if you hold it if it turns off

[misty gorge]

yea the R1 turns on with a very short press.. not ideal

would be better if it were long press to turn on and off.

[twin root]

Also the heltec v3 is terrible hardware

[misty gorge]

the R1 requires a long press to turn it off.. which is really the most annoying scenario if you don't want it on all the time.

[misty gorge]

Heltec was my first.. never use it after I discovered RAK boards.

[twin root]

I just tested my T1000E

Long press shuts it off, so that might be a good option for her

And the button is hard to press by accident

[misty gorge]

My two outdoor RAK nodes have been up for well over a year now.. through summer and winters. No issues.

[misty gorge]

Let me look in to the T1000E.

[misty gorge]

dude that required a lot of effort to get back on.. I like it!!

and the tone for off is nice. the R1 just has very dim blinking LEDs that flash quickly and complete extinguishes when its off. The tone is much better.

[jaunty harness]

haha "hello"

[misty gorge]

ordering. hope it works out.

[normal osprey]

grab a snap hook and extra charging cable while you’re at it

[misty gorge]

Too late..... already checked out.. damn.. maybe I'll grab extra stuff if the device works out and I get another one.

[normal osprey]

no worries, i didn’t think to get extra charging cables in time either. all my festival friends want T1000-Es now so i’ll get some extra cables with the next order I place.

the snap hook is definitely worth the $2

[misty gorge]

How do the T1000s perform without a traditional antenna?

[normal osprey]

really well so far. i’ve mostly used them for closer range stuff like on flights, in airports, and around the city but will be taking them to festivals like EDC

[gritty knot]

Surprisingly well. It's definitely a compromised antenna setup, but Seeed have done a terrific job within the constraints of the form factor.

[normal osprey]

my use case is smaller mesh with my friends, not tryin to reach nodes across town… so it’s perfect for me

but i can still hit nodes in jersey from my williamsburg window… so it has range for sure

[misty gorge]

Always fun to play with new hardware. hehe

[twin root]

They perform great for a device with no antenna. That being said they perform worse than a device with an external by a significant amount

[misty gorge]

I currently get by with a G2 Nano Ultra.. so the no antenna performance is not a huge surprise to me. hehe

[daring moth]

I believe my landlord doesn't allow running wires through the window.

[twin root]

I'm getting so many nodes I haven't seen before now 🥲

[misty gorge]

Me too!

Oh but you're getting them because of the WTC node?

[twin root]

Yes

[edgy blaze]

Oooh what’s the WTC node named?

[misty gorge]

Giraffe WTC Repeater

[edgy blaze]

Noice. I’ll help an eye out. I have LoS from a park by my house.

[misty gorge]

the antenna is facing jersey though.

But if you of LoS you're probably gonna hit it.

[edgy blaze]

I am in NJ, right across the Raritan Bay from SI.

[abstract iron]

Any local NYC settings changes I should make to be a good mesh citizen? I heard setting any node even in a basement to router is popular /s

for real tho

[jaunty harness]

start with defaults, client @ 3hops

[misty gorge]

Just set your node to router, because.. honey.. you're the most important person in the area! Def make sure your packets go at least 9 hops too.

[jaunty harness]

hehe fdc0 is a 7 hopper though I get most of their packets in 2 hops

[misty gorge]

well FDC0 is gonna put up a bunch of router nodes

[jaunty harness]

and i'll be honest, I thought about first node as router_client but rare breed that tends to read docs first so didn't make that mistake - at least most are doing it for the right reasons (wanting to improve the mesh) just... misinformed

[misty gorge]

hopefully they are actually in good locations.

[maiden thistle]

I have mostly defaults and increase the location precision (make circle smaller)

[jaunty harness]

can you change precision without cli? (Android maybe? iOS I haven't seen it)

[abstract iron]

stay on Long Fast?

[maiden thistle]

Its in the channel settings. iOS allows down to 0.9mi but I use the Android app to set it smaller

[jaunty harness]

ahhh ok nice, that i've seen but thought going lower required cli (or now I know Android can too)

[twin root]

Yeah in both it's under channel settings

[gaunt dirge]

nice im also in bedstuy, ill prob power up my nodes tonight

[abstract iron]

I'm powered up but per usual concrete rebar for the loss. if you see ZLLA that's me

in a south facing window for now

[bronze wren]

I have a friend in 300 Ashland pretty high up. I might lend her a solar node to just park out on the balcony. south/south east facing with only a couple buildings blocking views. Visibility goes out to the ocean so it might help cover a lot of areas.

[normal osprey]

That sounds like a great place for a node! I’m putting an outdoor node on my friends north facing 35th floor balcony in Williamsburg with lots of help from people here. She has a power outlet I can use so not doing solar.

[jaunty harness]

every node (not misconfigured/misbehaving) helps!

also if anyone needs a spare node for whatever hit me up, I have spares (DIY builds)

[misty gorge]

I'm going up to a repeater site this weekend. Probably one of the highest points in queens. I'll see if I can bridge some LI people with Manhattan. haha.

[daring moth]

Just don't actually use the REPEATER role.

[misty gorge]

repeater site.. means repeater mode.. right? hehe

[daring moth]

Preferably ROUTER, just so nodes can message you. Just be aware that ROUTER forcibly turns on power saving mode, and both ROUTER and REPEATER forcibly disables the display. It's recommended to enable remote admin before enabling either mode.

[daring moth]

For most situations where ROUTER or REPEATER could be justified, it's better to use ROUTER_LATE. However, from your description of the node location, I guess ROUTER is likely justified.

[misty gorge]

Nah.. I'm only kidding.

I'll probably still leave it in client mode

maybe router.. I'll see.

I'll likely ziptie the node somewhere for a bit while I'm up at the site. see what happens.

Maybe I'll leave it up there and just let the battery die.. then donate the unit to my buddy.. Like giving out crack.

[jaunty harness]

CLIENT + remote admin is the way, you can make it router/repeater later, and switch it back w/o visiting site

[misty gorge]

yup

I'm setting up the remote admin and all that now.

I COULD.. throw a waterproof solar node up there.

but I don't have the mounts for it.

I need the RAK housing pole mounts.

no way I'm going to get it in time.

[jaunty harness]

rokland ships decently quick from FL, rak from eu... see you in feb earliest

[misty gorge]

does rockland carry the proprietary mounts for the RAK branded solar cases?

[jaunty harness]

they might, they stock everything RAK i've ever looked for

this one? https://store.rokland.com/collections/rakwireless-products/products/rakwireless-unify-pole-mounting-vertical-kit-type-a-910247

[daring moth]

https://www.digikey.com/en/supplier-centers/rakwireless-technology is an option.

[misty gorge]

https://store.rokland.com/products/rakwireless-unify-pole-mounting-vertical-kit-type-a-910247?_pos=1&_psq=Pole+Mount+Vertical&_ss=e&_v=1.0

That's what I need.

I think I'm going to use this trip as recon. In the spring we're going to be doing some antenna work.

I may be abel to just install a solar node up there then.

[jaunty harness]

nice!

[misty gorge]

realistically the antenna on that RAK unit isn't really an outdoor antenna. hmm..

Looks like weather isn't good for repeater work this weekend so it may not happen.. maybe the weekend after.. either way.. if I can find a spot for a node up there and I get permission, we could have a new node up pretty high in queens.

[jaunty harness]

well as 🦒 proved - height rules! and yeah it's too cold out for working vs planning for when it's a little warmer

[daring moth]

Additionally, I've been able to reach nodes from across the Long Island sound, specifically in Manaroneck Mamaroneck, NY. Or, at least they show up on the node map.

[abstract iron]

I'm on the roof anyone got ZLLA?

[jaunty harness]

*Mamaroneck (don't worry, nobody knows how to spell or pronounce it unless you grew up there)

I swapped the T-Beam out overnight for Donktastic, which also was getting a lot of -7 CRC Mismatch errors but woke up and it basically only saw 3 nodes and I need the laptop today so swapped the T-Beam back and everybody started showing up again - including ZLLAS

and now seeing both ZLLA and ZLLS @abstract iron

[abstract iron]

wow nice

[jaunty harness]

if both are close (within 10-15ftish) to each other maybe set one to CLIENT_MUTE so they don't try and broadcast over each other

[abstract iron]

zlls prob routed via ZLLA?

zlls was window downstairs and ZLLA roof

I got Harlem relay and Astoria. pretty cool

but it's -20F on the roof

[jaunty harness]

hrmmm can't get TR to work (as usual) but that does seem to line up with what i'm seeing: ZLLA 1 hop and ZLLS 2 hops.

actually see ZLLA direct from window, +1 hops from the desktop (goes in search of more caffeine)

[abstract iron]

yeah, that makes sense. in my experience my building's structure blocks most RF, and the windows might even be coated in some way. wifi calling is a must. ZLLA was on the roof and probably meshing for zlls

[jaunty harness]

just saw both at SNR -2.25 from my window node which is plenty good

[abstract iron]

wow really? you can get a ping off zlls?

I'm out right now in queens and no nodes here, with zlla

[daring moth]

I'm near the border of Queens (Great Neck, NY).

[daring moth]

What antenna are you using?

[abstract iron]

I'm inside another stress test building...concrete etc. My antenna is :

Muzi Works whip

replaced the small one this node came with

[daring moth]

I'm indoors also, but IDK if it's a "stress test building".

[abstract iron]

I just always assume the worst with concrete etc

[normal osprey]

just got home and saw i got the test message from ZLLA at 10:35
near domino park

[abstract iron]

I'm in queens and can see boneyard

(right now)

[jaunty harness]

IIRC thats one of Ghost's nodes, has a couple around N Brooklyn

[abstract iron]

is the wtc Giraffe node up today?

[normal osprey]

was just about to ask the same thing. cleared my nodedb last night and haven’t seen GRAF since.

[abstract iron]

I'm at work in Manhattan now and, although I briefly walked past downtown windows, seems like it would have been enough to capture it. my node Is now facing north in a window for a few hours..m

[maiden thistle]

Last saw GRAF at 1:21p

[twin root]

Huh interesting

Ill ask my buddy

Maybe it got unplugged

[normal osprey]

My east facing node is still seeing GRAF, 2 hops away. Last update 30 mins ago so i think we’re fine.

[twin root]

I think potentially I need to add an LNA and filter to it

[normal osprey]

LNA?

[twin root]

Low noise amplifier

There is probably a lot of interference

[maiden thistle]

Last update 401p 30% battery

It looks fine

[twin root]

It's battery will show incorrect voltage. It's a LiFe battery

[maiden thistle]

Ic

[normal osprey]

i’ve got 4:22pm 24%

[twin root]

Oh interesting. If it's decreasing that's not good lol

What's the actual voltage reading

[normal osprey]

i’m assuming it uses a fixed location? altitude of 3.3ft 😂

[twin root]

(I can't hit it from where I'm at)

[twin root]

Yes I can change that lol

[normal osprey]

3.46v

[twin root]

Ok Cool that means it's full

I think 3.45 is the top voltage for the LIFE cell

3.2 is middle

I'm trying to finish my roof node project with an LNA and a cavity filter, once I get that up I can start collecting data on that node. I have no problem trying different types of hardware and reconfiguring it to make it work better

[maiden thistle]

Pretty cool theres a node on the tallest building in the western hemisphere

[twin root]

Yes but unfortunately not all the way up 😦

I don't know how many floors it is but I think we're on 97 or something

It says on Google that there's 104 floors?

We're pretty high up actually lol

I can have it rotated to the other side of the building, facing Brooklyn in a couple weeks as well just to see what happens

[normal osprey]

would be happy to test when you do that

[jaunty harness]

yeah i last it saw 2 hops away but yesterday when it was getting moved around was able to get a TR out and hit it direct

[maiden thistle]

What about two nodes on opposite sides?

Competes with each other?

[normal osprey]

maybe directional antenna if doing multiple nodes on the same floor?

but i imagine asking your friend to put multiple nodes in his office might be too much. if you give a mouse a cookie…

[abstract iron]

I'll move my node to the south towards wtc

before I roll

anyone got me on ZLLA

[jaunty harness]

last saw ZLLA around 11am

[normal osprey]

my east facing node last saw ZLLA at 2:53pm 3 hops away 😂

[abstract iron]

you in NJ?

[normal osprey]

north williamsburg. i have two nodes facing west in different locations so not stepping on each other (manhattan) and one facing east (brooklyn)

[abstract iron]

ohh nice ok!

[past ledge]

Hey all! Need to catch up on everything, just saying hi + introducing myself, I'm in Chinatown (TRACK-1 KD2WQI) and have been clumsily trying to do some testing. Still new to meshtastic

Suddenly saw a lot more nodes and traffic when giraffe went up

[normal osprey]

i can see your node from my apartment node called Sleepy

[past ledge]

Nice! when I'm home tonight I'll look for you. Before end of month I'm hoping to have something permanent on the roof with PoE

[normal osprey]

just got the test message from ZLLA @abstract iron

[abstract iron]

that was facing north but I'm moving my node to downtown facing now

[jaunty harness]

there seem to be a couple nodes in LES, a roof one to help them get out would be great - just please use CLIENT role

[abstract iron]

hoping to catch 🦒

got it

[daring moth]

Any recommendations for a budget friendly roof node setup?

[daring moth]

I'm considering https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/devices/seeed-studio/esp32-sx1262-kit/, but I'm unsure how to connect an antenna to it in a water resistant manner.

[jaunty harness]

the SX1252 has i-pex for 915MHz ant like the esp32 has one for BT one, but in general nRF52840 are recommended if you're using solar (a lot less power usage than esp32 family *in general, someone with esp32 background has gotten the power consumption down to near nRF levels but it's not PR'd far as I'm aware)

you can stack the Xiao sx1262 with a Xiao nRF52840 but then need custom firmware to deal w/pin mappings

[daring moth]

Is it recommended to use solar rather than a PSU connected to mains electricity?

[jaunty harness]

if you have power on the roof then you don't need solar, but if power goes out, then you have only whatever charge is in the battery (vs solar being able to replenish the battery)

left is xiao esp32-s3 w/xiao sx1262, middle is xiao nrf52840 w/xiao sx1262 (and a lil magnet wire to enable the user button, cause it's there but only exposed on the "B2B" connector), and right is bare esp32-s3 module (can see the i-pex next to the B2B)

[abstract iron]

biking to work finally got your node, pork

[misty gorge]

The two Astoria nodes are RAKs with small solar panels and lipo batteries. Nothing fancy in them at all. Both been up well over a year now with zero maintenance.

[jaunty harness]

I swapped the T-Beam out last night for my OG node, a RAK 4631 (which I definitely didn't burn out the solar input on, or rip the by i-pex off) and things are looking much better chan util wise, though still a bunch of -7 CRC errors. Pretty sure the T-Beam is just fried.

I've also tweaked my GPS coords to be slightly offset from the imprecise location cause its stacking most of Williamsburg ontop of each other

[daring moth]

Do you do occasional firmware updates?

[misty gorge]

One of the nodes is on a very old firmware cuz I have to get permission to access it. It's on like 2.2.x or something.

[daring moth]

You should try https://meshtastic.org/docs/getting-started/flashing-firmware/nrf52/ota/.

[misty gorge]

I've tried it

It's spotty as hell.

I'd rather just get permission to climb and plug a wire in and be done in 15 min.

But the very old firmware is still passing packets.

So being the most up to date isn't a big deal as long as the firmware is stable

[jaunty harness]

2.5.x definitely worth upgrading PSK to PKI and also lowers the rate of telemetry to reduce load on the mesh, but that also means a repeater or router isn't really gonna benefit

there's also some cool stuff being worked on like the bloom filter which also helps the mesh/lower channel utilization

from what i've seen in meshsense and watching the window node's logs the telemetery isn't too big of a prob right now, it's the 2 new routers that went up past week that are covering Williamisburg in addition to existing ones/hidden repeaters

[karmic junco]

a little more east if you have

[jaunty harness]

that was the furthest east I was getting with the T-Beam, the RAK seems to be hearing from a little further though missing NODEINFO

[karmic junco]

I'm just east of that on the north shore. I'm at sea level so it's extremely hard to see anything.

[abstract iron]

pork you have external antennas or something?

[jaunty harness]

nah, just couple diff sizes but all internal

[abstract iron]

anecdote but my windows block almost all RF. put a solar node outside the window, boom it works

[sonic prism]

I wish I had reliable connections to you folks 🙂

Seems like I can traceroute under very specific and rare occasions based on Meshsense (these nodes are now unreachable, but they did appear overnight at one point)

They tracerouted but did not receive a full nodeinfo which is interesting

[abstract iron]

can you hit giraffe?

[daring moth]

I can.

[jaunty harness]

heh, it's pretty inconsistent on this side as well - sporadically seeing the ones in NJ and SI. TR is just the routing hops with only the node # and SNRs in the packet so makes sense if you don't (yet) have the complete node name even though it went through

[misty gorge]

@jaunty harness Are you also PRK1?

[jaunty harness]

yawp! there's a dprk in williamsburg that's not me, but all the prk# ones are (though some are also emoji shortnamed with pork - something for device name, usually the name of the DIY PCB)

[misty gorge]

I've been seeing PRK1

[jaunty harness]

nice! that's my original RAK - still seeing a ton of -7 CRC errors on RX but like 1/2 the channel util as the t-beam and seems to actually be able to xmit consistently (further evidence the t-beam's radio is dying)

[misty gorge]

It says you're 3 hops from me though.

But like I said.. it takes 2 hops for me to get in and out. I can't trace route you right now.

[jaunty harness]

TR I see from my side - that's... interesting hopping to Astoria then back to BK then to you

[misty gorge]

oh weird.

[jaunty harness]

    "route": [
      3903596030,
      2273827140
    ],
    "snrTowards": [
      -77
    ],
    "routeBack": [],
    "snrBack": []
  }
}```

[misty gorge]

I see a new node named oopoo30 which is set to router_client

the GBS1 is also setup as router_client

[jaunty harness]

yeah, that and Vernon 7... both seem to covering williamsburg - just ... HAH yeah we already have GSB1 routing here

[misty gorge]

Is GSB1 in a good location?

[jaunty harness]

GSB1 is also older firmware, updating would be nice since router_client is a bit more plain client but that might also be why they haven't updated

not 100% sure where GSB is but def has been solid for me for months

[misty gorge]

I think all the older firmware nodes are probably in PITA locations.

that's why AMR2 is on old firmware. hehe

[jaunty harness]

hehe there was brief discussion in here months ago and GSB1 and WOOD (Woodbine) were mentioned, I think it was owner of WOOD who was here not GSB1 though and discord search ain't helping me find it

[misty gorge]

I see woobine sometimes also.

[jaunty harness]

I think it's 0xdeadbeef that runs Woodbine

oopoo303 (router) is ooops30 (client) but think they're also ??? (literally the node's long and shortname)

[misty gorge]

harlem relay is probably in a good spot. Wish the owner were here.

[jaunty harness]

its been super reliable and seems pretty high up, pretty much the only one that should be router

[misty gorge]

manhattan is a tough area though. My buddy works near columbia and harlem relay didn't get me to him.

[jaunty harness]

OH huh, maybe HR is pointing east/south?

[misty gorge]

yeah. Probably.

I see it pretty solid over here.

[jaunty harness]

same, can't remember ever seeing it hopped and not direct

ahhh found it - it was Ghost that knows GBS1 #1202833898376138752 message

and saw your msg on window node Ray, just eyes glazing over from discord search

[misty gorge]

Did you see Hello or Hello 2?

or both?

[jaunty harness]

just Hello 2

did you get my reply?

[misty gorge]

I sent that went I saw GBS1 pop up to the top of my list.

like.. the wind was blowing the right way

haha

Didn't get your reply.

winds must have shifted

[jaunty harness]

hehe just enough wind to move the one branch in the way

i think you may wanna bump up to 4 hops on RSG2 to get here more consistent, seeing a lot of 3/3 hops in Meshsense

[misty gorge]

I'm at 5 on RSG2

cuz it takes 2 hops for me to get out.

but also means it's harder to get to me.

[jaunty harness]

oh dang

[misty gorge]

So my packets are at 3 when they get out in the wild.

I think for a dense city.. 3 is often not enough for consistent two way messaging.

[jaunty harness]

yeah, lack of vertical LOS seems like biggest hinderance

[misty gorge]

yeah.. if you can hit a high node and get going.. great.. but doens't work too well in a dense city

[jaunty harness]

even if you have a high enough roof node to relay to your personal device, you're still +1 hops

gotta wonder how far out your NODEINFO goes though, like we get those random Forest Edge nodes cause they're at 7 but doubt they're seeing NYC nodes since we're (mostly) 5 and under

[misty gorge]

yeah.. I don't think we need 7

but 4 or 5 may be what we want to use in NYC

[jaunty harness]

have you had any better luck with your Medium..Fast? channel getting out?

[misty gorge]

I thought changing that breaks connectivity with the long fast units out there?

[jaunty harness]

it does, but I thought you mentioned having a channel on MediumFast and was curious if that preset was performing any different

[misty gorge]

nope. not me.

[jaunty harness]

ahh my mistake

[misty gorge]

yeah.. I'm sticking with whatever has the most people. Not trying to build a private mesh.

If a large group of us decided to switch.. I would.