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Had this node pop up on my list the other night while I was home. I guess it was just passing through because no sign of it again since. They're out there...
Where approximately are you?
Astoria, NY
I think I got permission from someone who lives on the 14th floor along the water on the fdr
My issue is the esp32 devices don't update ota
So software maintenance is a problem.
Will the node be difficult to access?
I believe the NRF devices can be updated with a phone and cable pretty easily. Not as easy as wireless, but better than lugging a laptop.
It would be cool to get some amateur radio clubs interested in this so they can just throw a node up at one of their sites.
I'd be down to donate some money or hardware to get a few nodes up in good locations too.
Won't be easy or often
probably okay as long as the current firmware doesn't have any major bugs.
I have to check the docs. I'm still on 2.1.0
You just need the device to resend packets. If there are any major changes, you'll obviously need to update. But maybe you don't need to update on every release.
I'm kinda OCD with updating and you may be the same.. just gotta let go. haha
I'm OCD with not updating stable stuff
that's really the correct way to do it.
You're probably okay with just flashing the latest "stable" and throwing it up there.
any reason why you're going with the esp devices?
Store and forward
So it was a combination of reasons. Namely price and avaliability
I started with the t beams as it was the most out of the box solution available (other than the echos)
And someone on here said echos had issues. I think the issues are mostly resolved.
The lora32 were cheaper, and I wanted them for powered installations.
The store and forward is really nice.
The power consumption of the nrf devices is much better.
Yes. But as a home base installation, doesn't really matter
You could always hook up one of those volaric batteries too.
I'll spare the 50ma
I think I was one of the few in the beginning of the lto adventure
If power goes out for a little bit then voltaic battery can kick in and keep it going for a day or so.
Ah so there will be battery back for it.
I'm in no shortage of backup power
Voltaic Enclosures is different than what I'm talking about.
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Oh one of these.
After these deplete they will turn off, but will turn back on automatically as soon as there is input power again.
I have a bunch of single cell 18650 chargers that have that capability.
Ah okay.
There's like low power draw on these so I don't need that much
Either way, excited to see more nodes in NYC.
But the idea was since I'm keeping my other devices already powered (router/nas/Poe hub) it wasn't a huge deal to just plug this sucker in.
An extra little parasitic 50ma ain't gonna make a difference
Your a licensed ham too if I recall?
So I had these larger helium antennas
And I got 1 foot pigtails.
Yup.. I'm a licensed ham also.
So that instead of mounting the whole unit outside... Only the antenna is outside
I just found a deal (but wrong connector)
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Id need a small sma to rpsma
But look at the price!
Basically a dollar a foot
can't really lose at that price
a good adpater shouldn't be an issue.
14th floor is the top floor?
The other factor was I really wanted a private mqqt
Top floor apt water facing.
No obstruction.
Was going to zip tie the antenna to the child window guard
And just run the unit inside
Coverage mape indicates possible coverage into Astoria and all of lic
if the window guard can hold a child in.. it can hold an antenna up.. hehe
The other apt which agreed was in midtown.. slight obstruction to water but could provide midtownish coverage.
Like maybe 40th to 90th.
(another higher up apt)
My work is in the 40s.. I was considering speaking to the IT guys at work to see if they would let me put a unit in one of our conference rooms that over looks times square.
I was thinking of talking it up with them and seeing if they would get in to it.. and we just plant a little box somewhere. ๐
Lol, so the guys to actually speak to is building maintenance and the HVAC guys
Oh man.. I wish..
Sell it as a water tower door monitoring.
I work in one of the tall buildings in times square
If anyone tempers with it
It would be a dream to get something on the roof.. haha
Tampers
but yea, I doubt that's happening. haha
Probably more realistic to get repeater owners on board.
If you think that's easier... I don't know what coolaid you been drinking!
There's a few towers.. so Brooklyn tech has a big tower
I think it's an easier lift than making frieds with a maintenance guy that would let me on the roof of one of the tallest buildings in mid town for me to place a box.
hahhaa
RIGHT!
Depends who's servicing it
My building is on top of the times square station.. I'm pretty sure placing weird boxes on top of that building is gonna be a problem. haha
You'd have to get them to put up one
I went to tech.
Ohh ! So you could possibly convince them! Lol
Not that I have any connection with them anymore.
Yea right.. haha
I'm not even sure they have a ham radio club anymore.
last I heard, it was only weather equiment up there.
Look for the trustees
I'll bet it's a PITA to get something up on the tower. Probably have to pay a professional.
Not sure how much that costs.
firmware is never gonna get updated.
but I love the idea of it.
I think it's the highest point in brooklyn.
I think the old tech call sign is still being held
Well so the firmware bit
As long as the antenna wire comes down
There was also a previous discussion about using raspberry pi hooked up via USB permanently.
then WIFI to the PI?
That.. was the idea
that's a good idea.
The lowest power version would probably be the pi zero
put it all in the same box.
Not guaranteed for a good wifi connection... But.. possible.
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I'm gonna read through this now.
hehe
I would love to g er t it functional
Good news.
they have someone that is available to climb the tower.
Hahahhaa
Psssh.. concerns about radio waves hurting the children.. umbrella effect.
worry about the people 1 mile away.. haha
and today.. people have cell tower panels blasting at them all the time.
Oh def not.. hahha... so many other things.. hhaha
When I went. it was just a very over populated school with a name.
Yep. It's where you went when you didn't get into bx or stuy
I missed bronx by like 4 points or something.
Or hunter.
But don't sleep on si tech
Those kids are good
I was so amazed at what they are doing nowadays
It's all about the teachers and who runs the place.
and school politices at the time.
There is no arguing that for most kids.. having more personal attention from a teacher is better.
We can go on about that for quite a while. But yea.. I don't think we are getting a node up there. hehe
Lol. Doh
Actually I will tell you that it's kinda mixed in that regard.
I got virtually no teacher time in hs
And I went to stuy. Lol
The motivational factors was literally the other students.
They pushed the shit outta me.
Like I barely squeaked in and barely squeaked out
But a culture was created around you. That's what I mean.
But it really was the other kids.. just being with them and seeing how damn smart and hard working, and nobody slacked
Oh yes. Absolutely.
that culture needs to be created. I know tech didn't have that.
That culture is at si tech
I think it was up to the staff to create that. It didn't happen. I think part of the problem was tech is really big.
I went to one of the robotics competition at Jacob javits to watch stuy compete. No parents, all immigrants.
Tech is a monstrosity. Way too many students
Like 1800 student per grade?
I don't know the numbers.. but it was way more than bronx or stuy.
It was 7 floors and like 2 blocks by 2 blocks.
Ya. I don't know. A lot of folks that I knew in brooklyn tech didn't get a lot of push
yea. it wasn't part of the culture.
Like my first choice exposure to unix was in hs
Like man, the social pressure was hard.
You know like social pressures to do bad things?
It was like social pressures to learn Linux...
You learn C or you suck and your such a looser!!!
"oh that test was so easy
..."
"what do you mean only 1 AP class... I've got 4... And westing house!
Ok ok. I digress back to meahtastic
So meahtastic is kinda worthless without the help of repeaters or other nodes
Max power isn't high enough or allowed to get further.
I recall you wanted kinda shtf coms for you and your gf... Right?
But I do there there is some value.. because it's legalized encryption.
It's ability to send messages when your not able to respond is important.
So like a standard radio, you have to be listening and within receiving range.
right, need lots of nodes walking around, or some repeaters/nodes in some really good locations.
Right. And there's no guarantee of repeaters being operational.
Which is why an organized effort would be nice.
And they all have to have the public channel enabled
some sites with good backup power or with solar and backup. The equipment is small and low maint.
I do think "we can't have nice things" sometimes though. If we do get a successful mesh out there and it gets publicity
So. With that in mind... Have you looked at helium?
You'll get some a hole out there that will try to jam it etc.
Well jamming is just part of that utilizatoom figure
All Lora messages are received.
I don't know much about helium except their antennas work for us.
Helium/TTN and private lorawan networks
They all the same tech
And the packets are received by everyone.
That includes meshtasric
some A-hole will hook up a computer to a lora radio and start blasting 1000 messages a second or something.
oh really. I hope that's the case.
Though it will still flood the airwaves
And that will have an effect on everything.
My ideal would be having a few good nodes up with good converage that are low maint and just have it kinda live and be available.
Hence... Private don't seem so bad sometimes.
Helium miners are basically mqqt base stations.
They listen and route broadcasts
Not against private channel stuff. but gotta get nodes up.
Shit is useless in grid down though.
solar nodes with good converge would be kinda nice in "grid down" if it's not a disaster type thing. You and some friends can still text.. your phones won't be useless. okay for a day or two.
But if some shit is going down.. I'm getting the F outta the city.
Philosophies differ. I find it more useful in the wild than grid down.
Think, if you got out
And now your sepersted
Sperated
And I'll give you a good example; there's a nuclear power plant north of you
yeah my gf and I camp or rent houses in the boonies a lot and do outdoor stuff. that was one of the applications I was considering too.
Standard procedures in a meltdown is everyone north of the tapenzee go north. Everyone else goes south
which is why I got the G2s.. very solid units with no stupid quirks like the techo.
Ya.. I still need to get thoee
techo's are stupid when the G2 ultras are in the picture.
But I'm still in process of building a portable comm box
Eh.. t echos are cute. Lol
cute.. that's it.. I wouldn't even give them to friends to use, because the buttons are so sensitive, yet non responsive at the same time.
that's a lot of batteries.
That's the smaller of the collection.
have you watched The Tech Prepper on youtube?
Those 20ah goes into the porta box to power the tyt9800
Probably.
He's all in to building man packs and emegency comms systems.. off grid stuff.
gotta be solar right?
No actually. Option for solar, but primarily charged from 12v is my desire
like a generator or car?
Because the box will be larger... It's portable but it is really to be powered by a vehcile
Yes. The idea is that all the antennas have magnetic bases with about 5 ft leads
this is when something like a tahoe or suburban would be great.
The internal battery covered the high watts draw from keyijg the mic
Cause the standard cigarette lighter tends to pop
You can always wire right to the battery
But then.. it's only in 1 car
I think they make boxes that will cut the battery power when ignition power is turned off.
If you have a broken down vehicle, it's easier to get another vehicle than another comm box
yea true.
Like you can rent a car. You can't rent a comm box. Lol
a jackery or ecoflow would do what you want also.
just a big pre made battery that will charge via 12v also.
I have those. Not self contained.
That's what those 20a lfp packs are for
Yes.
Because. ...
Sometimes you have to climb a mountain for the high peaks for antenna performance.
true
I'd climb the brooklyn tech tower with a comms box.
And you want to desperately get a message from or to her.
Yep. Climb the tower. Deploy the antennas and the cigs roll solar
how much will your box weigh?
20ah on a nrf at 12v will give you MONTHS of meshtasric
Maybe even 6 months
And that's without solar.
For the total system with antenna array is look around 20 lbs
The box is heavy. Lol
20 is probably the limit in my head.
decently heavy already.. but not prohibitively heavy.
Primary is car...
yea.
So the other blue batteries you see are ltos
Keith's calculations on rak boards says 2ah lto will give about 11 days
2*2. So 4ah
Those blue ones are 20ah
hahhaa
So without charging it's capable of about 60 days each.
And operable in freezing weather.
so when is your base node going up?
That is way smaller. About 1 lb
Mine is up, but I'm at sea level, so ... Nada.. lol
the 14th floor one.
So to monitor propagation and rf.. I actually have a helium station.
And it tells me how far I'm getting packets to and from.
Oh that's a tough one ... And do I keep an it public...
Hopefully in the next month or two would be ideal
My node is on channel 20 but primary channel is not longfast. So I guess mine is "public"
I think at this point keeping the nodes on 20 would do the most good for the public.
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The defaults.
This one is an even better deal.
Read the review. Lol
Tempted to buy 4. Lol
So the guys review of his bobcat miner.
Not related to this random pic
The bobcat miner is a helium miner. Which is the same freq as meshtasric. So should ok!
Probably fine for this application. But the first one you liked probably uses better cable. Probably explains the price difference.
Camel camel camel says it was normally listed at like 14.x
The eight wood actually is cheaper
Since it's price history
It's amazing how much damn cabling you need to build a box
To actually locate the box and the antenna where you want.
This box will also have a Meshtastic node build in? Why not right?
Yep
Meshtastic and at least a dual band
But the damn quad band antennas are kinda annoying.
Will probably throw in a rpi 4 with a 7in display
With 20ah of actual usable power it isn't a big deal.
You get as much power on that as you would on a 40ah lead acid.
Other than that a mppt charge controller, with the ability to take vehicle 12vdc power to charge.
I think you already have the TYT and you're not a fan of digital.. but...
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triband, airband receive, digital and encryption capable.
the digital handhelds can be had for 100 bucks.
dual band ones.. tyt makes great ones!
The TYTs take aftermarket firmware which make them really good ham radios, but you lose the encryption.
If you keep the stock firmware.. you get a usable mediocre ham radio that acts like a business radio but can do encryption.
the anytone handheld which is 400 bucks will act likea pretty good ham radio and have encrytpion.
The TYT MD390 Plus is IP67, is like 130 bucks shipped and will do AES256 and talk to that Anytone with digital encryption.
I mean.. if you get a business licnese.. ๐ ๐
I have one of these with aftermarket firmware..and I have a few with stock firmware and encryption still enabled for use with my.. business license.... ๐
Both good and bad. I got like every family member a gmrs radio already. Lol
And backup uv5rs if needed.
Shout out to Mesh1A
Right.. so you'd replace that GMRS with a MD390 Plus. ๐
Picked ya up somewhere near grand central
What's "Dallas" doing in our hood? haha
Mesh1a is not I.. lol
Like Dallas bbq
Used to think that ws great stuff when I was younger. hehe
In the city for the day from PA
welcome!
Checking out the new Vision Pro headset
Ahh.. came for the apple store? haha
There are apple stores in pA. Lol.
And to roam around with my T-Beam and camera lol
Ohhhh
Iโm in the city every couple weeks
Those dang low emissions windows don't have good signal
If you walk south and west, you may find "HY-G" around Hudson Yards.
Who's is that?
No idea.. it's a node myself and one other member here picked up when in the area. I was in Javits and he was in MSG.
No bomb ass Karaage in PA either lol
I travel to Philly to eat every once in a while. But NYC is hard to beat for food.
Shorty's is pretty solid.
But our population sucks so.. there you go
Iโm out near Scranton. Philly is even further of a drive
Scranton!!!
Have you been to Kensington in Philly?
I have not
K&A all day ๐
But I have been to scranton
Wooooo you have not lived till you've seen that. If you think bad parts of NYC are bad.. you'll change you mind after a stroll through Kensington.
Here I thought it was a place to eat
Zombie land
How's it compared to lakawana?
Less cousin-fucky
More walking dead.
Oh dear.
Itโs an open air drug market and a pretty massive gentrification scam too
People shooting each other and themselves up in broad daylight.
not 5 or 6.
not 10
not 20
like.. 50 to 100? is that right @carmine yoke ?
Sounds like a self correcting problem?
Way more these days
You'd think.. but no.. hasn't reached critical mass I suppose.
The cops donโt bother em there so they stay there
Drove through last year.. There were lots of tents and people roaming around mindlessly.
Philly has great food though.
Like the same outside south station.
Lots of amputees now thanks to the tranq
I like pa ingenrrwl
New shit hit the street and it causes necrosis
But not so much philly
That's not new.
Croc was the old nickname
Miss the vein, you rot your skin
Or flesh.
Similar but not quite the same.
speaking of Phily not necessary having the best cheese steaks... the best pizza is in CT.. not NY.. ๐
I saw that. I have many questions.
Sallys in New Haven. go..
How good is "the best"
I guess it really depends what you like.. if your idea of a great pizza is lots and lots of cheese.. and 7 toppings.
this aint it.
Mind you, I not only mesh, I also make pizza. I have a uni oven in the bsck
Oh shit.. just go take a drive to Sallys then.
And have made pizza with Lombardi himself
Sorry.. Sallys is better than Lombardi
I'm a bit of a pizza holic
dough, oven, sauce.
I don't care if it's good or bad, as long as it's cooked I'll eat it
Let me googlish sallys
Trust me.. just make a trip to sallys.
Agreed
Their tomato pie is bomb. My friends and I will drive there a few times a year just to have it.
thts 75 miles each way and nobody ever ever thinks it wasn't worth the trip.
they have a closer location in Stamford now.. but it didn't seem the same as the New Haven location.
maybe they were still dialing in that oven.
Fascinating.
Coal ovens are particularly finiky
Long times to adjust the temp
Once you get it too hot takes forever to cool it back down
the irregular slice shapes.. the thin char crust.. the sauce.. oh man.
I'd say tomato and the clam.
get both.
but the tomato is the star and my favorite.
Can't say it's good or bad if ntilni try.
I like keste
Pauly g was pretty good but then it went w little downhill
Never been.. added to list.
There is a place in queens called Danni's House of Pizza.
I like a high hydration dough
their Pesto slice was another pizza which just blew my mind.
The dough is usually too soft to toss.
Philomenas in queens has a phenominal pepperoni square pizza.
I know nothing about how they are made.. I just like eating it. haha
High hydration, longer cold fermentation.
Hahaha
Oh that used to be my stress reducer.
Experimenting with dough
And my friends coal oven when he closed his shop. Hahaha
https://sallysapizza.com/
Tomato Pie and Clam Pie
https://www.danishouseofpizza.com/
Pesto with Sweet Sauce
https://www.philomenasqueens.com/
Pepperoni Square
Please put these on your list.. the last two are in NY so low hanging fruit.. let me know.
The philomena's guy is a dough nerd.
yea.. in queens.
its a PITA to get in that place. I recommend sitting at the counter and trying a pesto with sweet sauce slice.
very unique to me.
Fastinatinf.
I don't make pizza, but I've eaten a lot of it and these are all standouts for me.
Woah this Philomena guy does dough like mine!
Yeah.. he is a total nerd about dough.
The thought of the pepperoni square slice makes me so happy.
All about the poolish
I took my gf(now wife) to king authors flour for a tour
She bought me a 50 lb bag of flour.
She did not make any pizza yet..
I don't think it will happen.
all this talk of pizza is making me really hungry
Me too. And the pizza at the hospital was the most tasteless dough I've had in years
Even though they have this fancy pizza oven
Philomenas doesn't even have the square slices pictured on their site landing page.
For me that square pepperoni is the best thing there though.
Does the squares have the nooks and crannies where the pesto soaks in and dries out a bit?
Ooh. The olive oil crisping up the edges like a fried dough stick....
the thickness is somewhere between a grandma and grandpa.
but it's so crispy yet fluffy.
I had a Detroit pie from emilys
First time was mind blowing.
Second time was belh
Third time was a little better.
Nice thing about philomenas is that its consistent.
Dave is always there.. and if he's not.. they close.
Will have to try
Maybe controversial.. but I don't understand why Joe's in Times Square has a freaking line down the block.
its just good pizza.. but not great...it's just not bad or shit.
Same thing with Bleeker st pizza
Totally agreed!
And grimaldies
You know andrew bellucci?
look him up
interesting story
but not a huge fan of his stuff either.. it's just not bad.
The slices I listed above are NOT medocire in my opinion.
soooo.. years ago.. I liked two boots.
Ya. Like circus 2011
LIke.. it was good pizza.. I'm talking
Circa
Lol
You ever have an Artichoke's Pizza?
Yes.
opinion?
Had it maybe a month or so ago
It's above average (there regular size)
Slice
But not spectacular
The artichoke one is about the same as I remember it. Way too heavy for being sover
Sober
I know it's a heavy lift driving 75 miles or more.. but.. I'd recommend you do it now when the weather is colder so sallys is easier to get in to.
Yale is there.....
there are some good ice cream shops in the area
Luis' Lunch is there.. they claim to have invented the hamburger
Blah. Yale. Yale is for losers.. emotional damage
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Sorry. Lol.
If you're curious about the "original burger"..
I'd say.. go in there and look around.. order one and share it.
save your stomach for the pizza.
There are other great pizza places in New Haven.
Birthplace. Ooh. Edible history
tried them all buy sallys is the best in my opinion.
Damn you are a wealth of food knowledge
People say Frank Pepe has a better clam slice.. my friends think so.. but I like sally's clam better.
Fank Pepe is still good.. so if you wanted make the most of it.
I did clam slices at Lombardi's.
these are gonna be a little different.
the new haven style crust is a bit of a different beast.
But for science I will try
In the last 3 years, my friends and I have made the drive to sallys at least 3 times a year.
Damn !
It's no joke.. and it's not just me.
Oh btw do you do DMr?
I own many DMR radios.
Here I am being an analog purist. Lol
do not talk on them much.. haha I have a hotspot and I listen to the worldwide brandmeister talk group sometimes.
Ahh.
if I lived somewhere else, I'd be that HF guy.
Most things are going digital
People say digital sounds good.. but I can 100% tell something is digital just by listening to it come out of a radio.
With the coffee still in it
walk through airports and such and hear the digital radios and think to myself.. geez it sounds like shit.. must be digital.
Efficiency only matters when you have a deficiency. Lol
We have no shortage of bandwidth for amature use
being able to text.. selective calling and messaging is ice.
Cause nobody's using it
That's the key. Encryption
I mean.. not that I do it..
If there was a nice remote face mount DMR dual band mobile, I would own it and be super happy.
I have an ICOM 2730 in the car. nice radio.. except not DMR.
there will probably never be an ICOM or Yaesu DMR.
alinco sells rebadged DMR radios.
Doest yaesu have another mode
I stick with DMR because it's brand agnostic. You can get DMR radios for cheap or they can be really expensive, but they can all talk to each other
I've just set up a powered repeater node near the WTC last week. On the 30th floor, facing the Hudson. Hopefully, this will extend coverage to the New Jersey area, spanning from Lower Manhattan to Newark and the surrounding areas.
I was able to pick it up from Newark, which is quite impressive, considering it has a basic Gizont antenna.
Thanks Mike!!!
Does this node have any sort of backup power?
No, it's installed indoors near a large window facing NJ. I plan to upgrade to a RAK with a 6dBi gain fiberglass antenna soon (hopefully, my office manager won't mind ๐ ).
Slap a battery on it? ๐
I don't think it's necessary, because it's plugged into a UPS protected outlet. I may slap the 18650 on it just in case later, but for now, it should handle power outages no problem
should be fine if it's a UPS outlet.
Id be more concerned about range and distance,.then potential for power outages. Unless he's got a bunch of cold blooded individual who run space heaters under the cubicals
If the building has been remodeled in the last 10 years there's a good possibility of low e glass; I know it's particularly difficult for 4g and for wifi to pass through, so I'm not 100 percent certain about the 900mhz range
Still say we need to find someone to climb that tech antenna
3 grand buys a lot of meshtastic
and NYC is ripe with public housing buildings which are higher than most surrounding buildings
My node is seeing a new node that is broadcasting it's location around Lexington and 90th Street. Doesn't seem like the connection is super reliable but the node has been popping up and updating consistently on my end here in Astoria.
nope. Cant say that was me
It's nice to see a consistent node out there.
Meh.. it will be slush soon.
Not sure if my solar panel is covered in snow right now, but my battery still charged in this weather.
Is your panel inside or outside your window?
I got 0 generation on my external PV's yesterday and today(still covered with snow)
So who runs the Hudson yards gateway?
Im considering ignoring it because it's MQTT and is flooding my node with random stations 1000mi away
My unit is on my roof so it's outside. Battery went from 3.99 to 4.06 yesterday.
We never found out. Where are you located?
Im mobile, I hit it while I was commuting via ferry on the Hudson River
I'm near Macy's on 34th now
I can try and DM the node and ask them to check this discord
You can sure try, but its lkely not "manned"
Tru, maybe they will see it eventually
So what is it doing? Is it just showing you lots of nodes from far away in your node list?
I'd like to know what to look for in the future if I go near that node again.
Yeah it's on the default long fast on MQTT
So it's flooding my node with random noded thousands of miles away
If someone gets between your nodes and that node, and successfully routes traffic you're going to end up with dozens of random stations
Do you get their longfast messages too?
I really don't like MQTT for this, there is a way to only unidirectionally report
Yeah
MQTT is cringe, there is a setting so you only report up your location to the default to populate the map, which is the right use case for MQTT
That's kinda cool! When I saw the node, I didn't get any random longfast messages.
My nodes have longfast as a secondary channel though.. But I would expect to still get the MQTT messages from HY?
Yes you would
Maybe the owner flipped a switch at some point recently?
Or just no activity when I was near it.
It doesn't matter if it's primary or secondary, if you're on the same LORA channel you're going to route messages regardless. If you have the same channel programmed parentheses in channel programmed you will decode the messages and stations
It's possible it was just so clogged up it wasn't relaying everything
Getting shit like this
It would be interesting to get in contact with who that is.
Yeah, I am trying to trace route these nodes but am not getting a response
So trying to make sure it's that node that's misbehaving
You're still able to "request position" the HY node from where you are now?
Hopefully they see that. I would imagine if that was an unmanned node, you'd see their "everyday" node on that list also if they are in range of HY
One of those nodes on your list could be the actual node that person is connected to.
whats the channel utilization look like over there?
this is the overall problem with MQTTT
there's not a whole lot of ryme and reason on the public channel
like discord with no ability to filter into groups
I actually wouldn't mind doing a NYC MQTT setup if anyone was interested
You need a ESP32 node for that?
Cuz the device needs to connect to the Internet right? Wifi?
I think most of the nrf devices don't have wifi
I have some heltec devices.
but I've never used the heltec
What would happen if I ran a heltec node with Internet in my apt but kept the RAK node on my roof up as it is?
the rak node (Im assuming you are close enough to it that you can still use bluetooth?)
no.. I can't BT my rak node
In theory, depending on how the message was received, will either be sent from the heltec to MQTT or from the RAK to the Heltec to MQTT
I can see the status of it via my G2 or with my computer using the admin channel.
Ok, what is your rak on the roof doing?
It's just sitting on the roof for any rando to use and for me to get out better with my G2
hahaha
If the rak is still conencted to the same mesh as the heltec on MQTT, it will send the message it onward
the heltec will receive messages on MQTT and foward it onto the rak
maybe I'll play with the heltec when I get the case in.
The bender case is nice. a little pricey
I literally opened the boxes for my echo's and raks last week
and I've had them for 2 months
I've got more projects than I do time and caffeine
yea.. it's a commitment
When my node wasn't working right, it consumed me for a week.
10% ish
I just disabled MQTT on my node so I won't pick up any more MQTT stuff
I'll see what it looks like now
You had Mqtt on a mobile node?
I had previously considered this being an interesting "bridge" method
Thanks for ordering one, going as fast I can to produce them. I have had a crazzzzy week.
Brookfield I hit as well
I was fairly certain they were in Brooklyn
By the navy yard...
The node I was seeing regularly for a week disappeared
I am assuming it's at Brookfield Place Terminal which is right across the water from JC
It's weird I hit Brookfield but it never showed up on my phone only on my t-beam screen
Thank you for not being an MQTT node
also I was able to get a contact with your node while indoors which is pretty cool
This is so cool!
I'm going to be putting up a temp node on a friend's roof tonight.
We need more nodes up!
! non-mqtt'd nodes with ignore MQTT enabled!
I'm further north in queens.. but I hope I can get your node anyway. ๐
@minor inlet if you have not seen https://heywhatsthat.com/
Compute summits visible from any location worldwide
its a great tool for estimating LOS coverage
(not accounting for buildings)
Test node is up on my friend's roof. Have a small rubber antenna on it and it's not on a pole. But it allowed me to reach my other friend much further away. I don't see any nodes that don't belong to me though. ๐ฆ
Realistically unless there seeing high channel utilization, it probably doesn't matter. It is also extremely useful if you did have a large scale disaster.
@minor inlet What's your node setup like? What board/enclosure/antenna/mounting?
Yes, thank you, this is an awesome tool! I've been using it to find the best node locations for a mesh network I'm setting up in my area where I live (Eastern PA).
I saw that pricing error you posted. Looks to be live still. Unfortunately, I can never get AliExpress to validate my account. Oh well.
I think that enclosure deal is gone
unless I cant find it
disregard
weird, when I click on the link, it says unavaliable. When I copy and paste it into chrome, it works
its 3 dollars each, +9.99 shipping each
I mean it does get incrementally cheaper
zumble you want a few? lol
I probably already have too many Meshtastic nick nacks.
if thats your ONLY nicknack you'd be ok
@misty gorge do you have a mobile antenna for your car?
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I do. I run a short tram normally, but have a longer something else. Let me check the models
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I think the longer one is a Larsen. But I've only mounted it like twice ever.
I am not so commited to run permanent mounts.. lol
I know some people drill holes into their roof and such
I'm running a NMO hatch mount.
the nice thing about a mag mount is you can move it around and play around with the ground plane with the car body.
The tram is cheap and pretty low profile.
I don't have too much mobility with the top of the car
its either got ski's, bikes, fishing poles, etc
I use a glass mount
like the ol cell phone style
I have roof rack on my car all year round also
pretty non descript
that's why i use the hatch mount.
Considered glass, but went with the NMO
fishing rods go in my car cuz its a wagon.
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I'm gonna have to keep this in mind
wow, its more expensive than when I got it though
I do have tints though.
if its that boogie metallic will probably be worse than ceramic
It literally looks like an old cell phone antenna. receiving is pretty good
my friend's friend owns a tint shop and he got me the tint for my birthday years ago.. like 7 years. It's starting to fade. so probably not high quality stuff.
oh then thats probably fine to do.
if anything, you can just cut a square out of it
Yea, my hatch tram looks like a old cell phone antenna.. but kids these days don't know what a cell phone antenna is.. haha
hahahhahhah
If my hatch mount ever dies I would consider the glass mount.
I think I'm using a comet hatch mount.
Are you going to get that anytone?
I would snatch it up if it had a nice remote mount face.
This is how my icom is perm mounted.
mic and mic cord are stored in arm rest out of the way when not in use.
when in use, it's attched to the red thing in the pic via magnet.
oh thats waht that red thing is
Man I can't remember where I saw this interior... subaru? or ford?
As far as the anytone, I am not 100% on board
Simply because I hate learning a new interface
and its like trying to upgrade all consoles to new tech. lol
there's enough hatch gap? Im always afriad that the hatch gap won't be large enough
I have to check my car
now, onto slightly sillier meshtastic thing
What about a duplexer for meshtastic?
to share the antenna
It's a VW.
Digital dual band really IS the way to go.
there are no downsides to a DMR/Analog radio.
The anytone handhelds I have are excellent sounding in speaker output audio and transmit.
Learning a new device sucks though.
ooh.. vw... TDI!?
I used to own a TDI
then they gave me a boatload of money for it.
so I bought a Golf Alltrack with it.
but the narrow trunk and low cargo weight capacity killed it for me
yea.. I think they make a euro hide away tow hook for my car too
roughly 1500-1800LBS
I'm sure my car can tow 1800 lbs.
I remember filling up after hurricane sandy when gas stations were all out of gas.
Was really nice. haha
Just rolled in and pumped the diesel. haha
hahhahah
They certainly had some silly rules
I saw the lines for gas
but nobody on lines for the jerry can line
so I brought 6 jerry cans and filled up
But there were certainly times when I pushed the range too far and got nervous about findind a diesel station.
went back to the car, filled it, went backt o the line.. lol
think about how EV owners feel
EV and NYC.. nah....
I've seen more EV's being towed on 87
not NYC per se
their distances are too shart
even long island is too short
yep
I don't even know how you fix that.
All public parking spots will need charging stations
all rental parking spaces will need chargers.
What/where do you fish?
I just got rid of my old jeep so no longer to jones beach
used to get the 4wd beach pass
you can still get one of those if you want
If you do surf fishing
(if you don't have one already)
all the lakes in queens have too many dang turtles
I never got the beach pass, but I would hike out from the normal beach parking areas.
Used to fish for large mouth a lot in al the bodies of water in nyc
i ice fish also
Bowne Park used to be excellent for carp fishing.
amazing fight on very light/ultra light tackle. LIke 2-3 lb line stuff
wow.. ice fishing I never did
It's a pretty cool experience. being on a frozen lake and just drilling holes.
the key is using a fish finder in your hole. Super cool to see a fish come up for your bait.
Haven't been ice fishing the last two seasons cuz of the warm winters.
Who's nodes? Hit em on my way to 33rd
From the Hudson
Also it looks like that cringe Hudson yards MQTT node is no more
Not me. I have a friend with one of my nodes in the Harlem area right now.
He says he doesn't see any new nodes though
Damn hate to see nodes disappear.
This guy just popped up.
Can't contact it again. Must have been passing by
neither was me- mine was in downtown bklyn yesterday
I may have a second node going up Sunday or Monday.
Looks pretty unobstructed. What was the signal strength like?
I got a new node up tonight which allowed me to reliably reach a friend South of me.
Great! I managed to connect to my node (using my Lilligo Echo with Gizont antenna) from the Newark area once. The signal was pretty bad, but after several re-tries, my message went through.
Great news
My buddy has Direct LoS VERY high up far past the southern tip of Manhattan all the way to BK/Staten Island so may be a great bridge
You all just running the default as the primary, and custom secondary?
I'm a bad citizen and running longfast as secondary
I think that means my direct messages are encrypted with my private key? Is that how it works?
same
I assumed trace route only works with devices on the primary channel
But I got a traceroute reply form a node that was not part of my mesh.
nah works with anyone on the same LoRa channel
How does private message work? Which key does it use?
can I private message someone who has LongFast as their primary if LongFast is not my primary?
I struggled with that also. Right now I like getting all the telemetry information from my nodes because I'm still trying to get used to everything. I think at some point I may remove the private channel.
Maybe I'll turn off the GPS info and remove the private primary channel.
this is the right way to do it ๐ same here
And I put my "desktop" non-router nodes in client_mute as to not trash the mesh with extra garbage
I'll have to look deeper into the configuration
I honestly didn't look that closely
Another wild hit on @minor inlet
on top of the palisade while driving, got a solid hit
If we could get you one of the G2 Base Stations @ 1 watt and a 6dbi fiberglass you could hit everything
probably out to bayonne and staten island
Or did you rename your node?
Its possible I just didn't get node info but I did a travroute and it didn't come back
I'll try again in my commute home to hit your Brookfield node
@minor inlet I got your ping
I can't figure out what direction your in so unsure what window to go to
through glass too
Hi. I live in Bay Ridge down by the bridge. I operate a node here. Cheers.
Thats great! Are you hitting any nodes?
@karmic junco Were you on 2M Simplex yesterday? While driving home I heard someone on 520 talking about building a battery powered radio box. haha.
unfortunately no, i need to get a better antenna and experiment some more
I'm also a ham ๐
I've got a TH-D74A and a xiegu x5105
Height is might!
Fancy stuff!
I really should work on getting my general license.
absolutely agree! I have line of sight to the verrazzano on/off ramp, i always keep expecting to hear more nodes but I'm just gonna keep it running
and probably get a few more gadgets
I put up nodes to get connected with a few friends who live in my area (astoria).
I do pick up other nodes every once in a while that show up, but no real activity.
I was on a plane down to mexico this past weekend and picked up quite a few nodes shortly after take off. hehe.. They are out there.
do you use longfast?
My nodes are set to longfast as secondary.
It would be great if you could set DMs to go over a specific "channel". If that were the case, I think I would switch my nodes to LongFast primary.
Though it would be nice to get some links between our base nodes, you'd still be providing a service to ground nodes that roam in to your area.
Iโm 13B4 a node always moving as I drive in for work several times a week.
Was trying to use the app and drop waypoints for each hit I got as it seemed to draw a nice little map, but it just crashed the app after 10 pins.
Started just dropping a pin using a basic app and itโs really turned into something over the last week or so.
Apologies if โJacko has shared their position with you.โ Several dozen times, but what I do when Iโm moving is in channel zero, I press the pin over the message bar and it sends out location and times out after 30 seconds or so. If it doesnโt time out and acknowledges, I drop a pin on the map and send another location. I keep dropping pins and sending subsequent locations until it eventually times out.
On a subsequent day, Iโll go a different route and try to see if i can get the same acknowledgment elsewhere.
I like this a little better than the mesh map because itโs a little more private. Let me know what you think. If you want to DM me a location where you know Iโll get a hit, Iโll give it a shot and continue to update the map accordingly.
Oh that makes sense- now I understand why I get a ton of action from the BQE after the triboro
You were totally spamming me. I messaged you on LongFast. Not sure if you got it. Haha.
I'm surprised there was a hit in Sunnyside. Interesting.
Not yesterday. It's a common theme it seems!
I have to build my solar nodes before it gets too hot. Then I'm not going on the roof
What's the hold up?
Lazy. Really. Lazy.
Fair.
I got the rak enclosures from alibaba too
Just got to put together the rak, flash it, install the kit from keithmon, test it, then go up on the roof
so ya.. maybe when ski season is over. lol
I canโt pick it up with my heltec v3 from bay ridge. My antenna is crummy though
We're getting a 1watt node set up in JC which will cover you in Bay Ridge, should be up in the next 2 weeks
That is exciting! I hope to be able to set up something with some oomph soon. Still figuring this all out. Itโs fun!
I got a t-echo on order
where is JC? I thought about it for hours
Did you get the new RAK solar enclosures? I got one of the new ones with the larger solar panels. The placement of the RAK board on the mounting plate sucks!
There is no room for a USB cable or even a right angle adapter with the board and plate mounted inside the enclosure
The plus is a flat lipo fits really nicely behind the plate between the plate and the enclosure. I can fit a 5000mah battery behind there.
But I'm going to have to use a 18650 holder cuz I can't plug a USB in for charging!
can anyone provide a parts list for a RAK node please? I'd like to get some hardware set up but I'm new to this and would like to set up a solid node while I continue to learn more about hardware differences. seems like the options are growing monthly
I got a little unit from etsy for mobile use...
I'm excited to help build out the network around here
Are you looking to put up a solar node outside?
yes
at least one, maybe a few, and I want to zip tie something to my fire escape with a mag-mount antenna ๐
I can throw up my list tomorrow. I put up one node with a external mounted solar panel, and one node with a solar panel mounted on the enclosure.
soshine panels on both
I'm using flat lipo batteries on both. One is 6000mah and the other is 10000mah
Some guys are getting fancy with the battery charging setups, but I decided to try the simple setup with just the RAK board and both nodes are running fine.
Not sure how the lipo batteries will do in the summer, but they lasted through some of the 20F days we had here in NYC.
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That should get you started.
You'll need to change reverse the power connector pins of the battery if you get that one.
If you want low profile, you'd probably go with the best SMA antenna you can find. You'd install a N connector if you want to use larger antennas.
I'm bringing a T-echo to NYC this weekend with the name "CLVR" and longname "You found a four-leaf clover :)"
Had a ping from a "WILL" with a message "Central Park" today.
Nice. CLVR will be in prospect park on Saturday afternoon for a while for sure. Queens in the evening.
Iโm gonna put one up in one of those trees
Mounting it may be tricky
I'm using this for both my nodes. They screw right in to the back of the box I linked.
Really big hose clamps. I cut mine down to proper size before mounting. But the large clamps give you options.
Got you from the FDR here in Astoria, @wise crater
my portable node is named BKD - BrooklynDude
ill be down along shore road park today on the narrows; i regularly pick up staten island and that brookfield place repeater
right angle USB
I have one on my other units but I don't think it will fit this one.
Too late, went with a 18650 so I can swap battery or charge externally
this node isn't going up on any roofs so lots of battery power won't be an issue. This is going to be my temp/mobile repeater/router.
I havent' opened up my boxes yet.
lol. I have no idea. It was the 3 dollar rak cases
With solar?
If it's the same stuff I got, it's a really nice case for 3 bucks!
Hahha
It uses 6 screws in the back which are difficult to insert though
It's really not a box you want to open and close a lot. I think I prefer the outdoor electrical boxes with the latches for easy access.
My cases came with two holes. One seems to be for an external power source. Taped it from the inside and then sealed the hole with silicone from the outside.
No solar...it was the Ali express one
The solar case is real nice though.
If your non solar case is anything like my solar, it's worth the 3 bucks for sure.
sick!
this is a fun new addiction hehe
and the best part IMO is it's at least somewhat social!
I love how it is accessible to non-licensed users as well. it's a great gateway
awesome. your repeater is super useful. i was just using it to message someone 17 miles away today
are you making brookfield as a full repeater? Or just as a default channel
I personally would reccomend leaving it at default and not having it as a router node.
Im torn on that ever so slightly
Part of me says, what difference does it make... if its default, everyone has it already anyhow.
mike, curious, what do you see as the ch utilization?
I managed/was involved in using a very large field deployment of meshtastic and router nodes where our downfall, it really messes with the routing and creates unecessarily high channel utilization
Very valid issue there. But lets say there was an event that required you to actually rely on meshtastic for longer range comms
would you just do default and direct message? Is that still secure?
we are talking about 2 different things
what your talkign about does not pertain to the node role setting
Maybe I am confusing the issue, in the node role settting, when its on repeater, it would repeat all messages
regardless of encryption
no, every node repeats all messages regardless of encryption if on the same lora channel