US - Utah

[real cedar]

I might just go rak

[haughty moon]

It helps punching through buildings

[reef ridge]

What's wrong with just using a boost converter?

[real cedar]

It's an unreliable way to charge a battery. It's also a very unreliable way to power the station G2.. The power is extremely dirty. I'll find another use for the G2

[real cedar]

It's literally going to sit on the building. It's responsible for punching through

I also very much am against using one watt unless I really absolutely need to

I said a lot of my nodes to a lot less transmit power especially when I have them indoors.

[reef ridge]

There's not an outlet to plug it into on the building? Why not just use the pd power supply then?

[real cedar]

It's supposedly doing to sit outside on a balcony without power

Idk I'm just gonna build a rak node. Imho the best node

Reliable

Efficient

Low power 😂

Like I have a day to get it done

And leave it at the space. Kinda short notice

[leaden crow]

I have a magnetic Xiao node built you can use for Saintcon.
#1197577977781821541 message

[real cedar]

Fuck yeah being that Thursday

[leaden crow]

Find something to stick it on, it would be the easiest install ever

[real cedar]

I can't find my magnets 😭

Honestly it might be totally unnecessary too. The area has great signal but it should help
Was gonna name it 801Labs_Saintcon_GW

Lol the #1 rule of communications is use as little power as you can get away with to reach your destination

@leaden crow can we slap an 8 dB on it? 😂

[leaden crow]

Sure, you can put whatever antenna you want on it. It has an Alfa rn.
I also have one of those murata filters on it.

[real cedar]

Oh sweet. How strong on those magnets are they n52s like mine

[leaden crow]

super fukcing strong, like hard to remove the node strong.

[real cedar]

Okay so n52 likely

[leaden crow]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CYZM164V?th=1

It says over 30lbs. I don't know if that is each or combined. In either case it's more than enough.

[real cedar]

I still need to build a bunch of nebra nodes
I still need to build 20 of the Xiao nodes I have
I gotta get my 3d printer calibrated for a few new materials.
I gotta get a mini bike rebuilt
I need to get the mast done for the space
So many things I need to do. So little time

[leaden crow]

Same. It sucks having a job. Need more time for hobbies.

[real cedar]

Pretty much. I need like 10 weeks off

[sage sentinel]

So I am just curious about what everyone uses their nodes for? I have some projects , but want to know if I am missing something cool.

[whole oxide]

I haven't deployed my infrastructure for it yet, but I'm planning out a set of nodes in the mountains to do some tracking of ATVs/Hikers near some property my family has

[sage sentinel]

That’s one of my goals. Get some coverage through mirror lake highway

[whole oxide]

There isn't good cell coverage out there, but we have radios, so the main use case is GPS tracking of people out on adventures, with text communication as a secondary feature

[obsidian storm]

I use them for my kids, I get the small portable tracker node, and use it instead of a cell phone.

(they're too small for cellphones)

[prisma saddle]

Fyi https://www.facebook.com/share/1BPXKTd9GT/?mibextid=wwXIfr if any needs bats. found these in fb.

[real cedar]

I mean I have 100s I'm willing to give away stuff but panda also does too

[real cedar]

So. Did you get that nebra on that mtn yet

[prisma saddle]

oh i now. just ones i saw on facebook. lol

[real cedar]

I honestly need to get all the bats fully charged and resting

On my backlog

[whole oxide]

Not yet. I'm waiting for a HaLow module to show up because I want to utilize that too

I don't feel like climbing the mountain more than I have to. There aren't any roads or trails beyond the base, so it's a bushwhack up a fairly steep mountain. I'd prefer to test the HaLow module in an environment more conducive to troubleshooting

[obsidian storm]

I JUST GOT THAT HALOW TODAY

I'm trying to see if I can get it working with the nebra

[reef ridge]

Awesome!

I thought the HaLow card used the USB lanes, are they exposed on the Nebra slot?

[obsidian storm]

no, it uses spi or sdio

[inner jay]

Whats a halow module?

[real cedar]

I know what that's like haha. I just figured you might want to before winter. We migrated to MediumFast btw

[whole oxide]

I'm aware and have migrated my T1000-E

[reef ridge]

Wi-Fi standard that uses the same frequency range as LoRa. Long range wifi module essentially.

https://www.seeedstudio.com/Wio-WM6180-Wi-Fi-Halow-mini-PCIe-Module-p-6394.html

[whole oxide]

Halow has higher bandwidth, but a bit less range and does TCP/IP natively

[inner jay]

Whats the use case vs the lora?

[reef ridge]

TCP/IP. Literally Wi-Fi. Our use case is for software updates on remote nodes.

[inner jay]

Makes sense

[reef ridge]

All sorts of other stuff too, imagine having a camera that can take a picture of the conditions on the mountain. Or an SDR for real time band info.

[whole oxide]

Basically it's a Wifi connection at a lower speed but higher range than the current 2.4/5/6Ghz standards. Max possible speed is only ~15Mbps, but max possible range is a few miles. It happens to share a frequency band with LoRa/Meshtastic because it is a band set aside for those types of use cases

[vital hemlock]

IMO, if you are going to use HaLow you should be using a directional antenna for a niche use case. Hopefully with all the videos about it lately nerds dont start popping them up for no reason 😄

[strong pagoda]

My fam has a cabin up in christmas meadows. that was my original idea, getting some coverage through out the unintas!

[inner jay]

I have access to spots in kamas and Oakley if we start building up there

[haughty moon]

Okay. STIR is up. Can you guys hit it

[inner jay]

My car node hasn't seen it yet. I'll check when I get home

Meshview has it, but location data is old

[haughty moon]

Okay. I’m sending messages out from it

Looks like antelope might be in the way

I wasn’t able to make it to proper peak today

[inner jay]

My roof should have los to stansbury. Im down in sandy right now so I may be out or range

[leaden crow]

I have it in my nodedb from yesterday, but no luck with traceroutes. Not seeing any messages from it.

[haughty moon]

I’m hearing nodes

Anyone in Tooele area see it

Okay I reset its node db. Maybe send some DMs to it

[real cedar]

Stir?

Stansbury Island Router?

If so he'll yeah

Router Late right? It should see AUR

[haughty moon]

Yessir

I didn’t get to peak proper, but got a good spot

[leaden crow]

I sent some test DMs from dsr1 and dsr2

[real cedar]

Excellent. As long as it can see NPR and AUR and all of toele that's all that matters

@prisma saddle your dad should be good now

[haughty moon]

Yes should has LOS to those

[prisma saddle]

sweet! i’ll check it out!

[prisma saddle]

you see ce-roof on it?

I’m not seeing it yet. nor any of tooele or grants.

[inner jay]

Just tried a DM and position request from my data node

[prisma saddle]

ya still not seeing anything out there.

i don’t think it’s working. .

[inner jay]

@haughty moon Are you still out there with it?

[haughty moon]

No I left a while ago

it was seeing nodes that I havent seen before so it was probably hearing tooele

and of course I decided to rebuild my roof node yesterday lmao

[inner jay]

TBF I haven't been able to see anything past Magna since the changeover

[pseudo kestrel]

STIR unable to trace from RxTr 💔

[prisma saddle]

Ya i think it’s dead.

or something’s not connecting.

[haughty moon]

It was rxing just fine last week and you guys saw it, so idk

[inner jay]

My last update from it was yesterday

[haughty moon]

Give me a couple hours to finish my roof node and I’ll see if I can get it with this while I’m up there lol

[prisma saddle]

ya not seeing it in tooele.

[haughty moon]

😬

Might be a tx hardware issue then

[real cedar]

Yeah could have gotten a bad xmitter

[real cedar]

We all see you well enough. Are you in a low bowl?

NPR should fix almost all these issues on that side. But also dagron and I are putting up more nodes.

I'm headed to Mt Wire soon

He's probably going to Olympus.

@inner jay trying to figure out what's up with your node cuz I see your node regularly every 20-30 mins. Device telemetry is clean without gaps

Yeah I just hit exchange user info. And it did on hera

@obsidian storm what's the state of NPR next week or week after?

[inner jay]

Yeah that works fine. Think I just can't hit npr

[real cedar]

Oh

That's cuz NPR doesn't exist

Not yet

It's at bashes place. Not on the tower yet

[inner jay]

This is Heras map

And it's running a 7dbi antenna

[real cedar]

My wire should help you. I might get it up before NPR at this rate 🤣

[inner jay]

Im also working on some node placements west of me

[leaden crow]

I don't even see HERA in my nodedb. You might want to check the cabling and antenna. If you don't have a NanoVNA, any chance you could bring it in to the hackerspace?

[real cedar]

That's a good idea. Lots of hill side strategic clients is gonna help a good bit

Raised over the city is all they need

[inner jay]

Its direct wired. I did have some key issues earlier. I can always put the Alfa it came with back on

[leaden crow]

I've seen bad ipex pigtails and bad antennas. With that performance I think you should either test it all with VNA or swap complete pigtail / antenna / adapters and test. Space will be closed next Thurs because of Saintcon, but if you could bring it the following week I can test.

The ipex pigtails can be really delicate. I've seen 2 fail that just got a little twisted when the N-connector bulkhead was threaded on and it broke the center conductor.

[inner jay]

Sigh. This thing is practically brand new

[real cedar]

Alright the truly dead charge test

[haughty moon]

I despise ipex

[leaden crow]

I have broken a brand new pigtail, it happens. Better to test it, because leaving the transceiver running if it had a bad cable can toast it.

[haughty moon]

Start simple with checking for loose connectors

[inner jay]

Would it really be a connection issue? I can see it, bash can see it, it responds to my remote commands from sandy. It just can't see tooele

And tbf none of my nodes can

[prisma saddle]

the tooele thing i dont think is you

[obsidian storm]

It's out of my control. They haven't given me a date yet.

[leaden crow]

It just seems odd to me. I get nodeinfo for almost everything in the valley, and I think I should have LoS to HERA.
Lots of nodes in the valley I can't get messages or traces through right now, but I still get some of their nodeinfo packets.

[inner jay]

Whats your node? I can try direct when I get home

[haughty moon]

I had a loose connector and my node was just getting relayed by my other ones.

Is Hera your roof?

[inner jay]

Yes

[leaden crow]

dsr1

[haughty moon]

Yeah I’m next to you and should be able to hear it…

[inner jay]

Sigh this one's been nothing but trouble. Think I'll just replace it with the new airdrop I have coming

Can yall hear Ezra ok?

[leaden crow]

You can probably still fix it, don't just toss it, could be a simple $5 ipex pigtail. Easy fix.

[leaden crow]

Yes, I have nodeinfo for EZRA

[inner jay]

Oh yeah im not gonna trash it. Just swap the roof spot for another unit

The whole thing is silicone sealed so I'll have to put some work in to rebuild it

[inner jay]

Yeah im gonna put Ezra up on the roof since it's working best and rebuild Hera

The bt has been wonky lately too

[reef ridge]

STIR never populated my NodeDB, did the issue never get resolved? 🙁

[haughty moon]

Seems to have TX issues. I’ll have to take some more hardware out and troubleshoot/replace it. I’m busy this weekend so probably next week

I don’t think I caught it since it was likely just using my other nodes to get transmissions out

So just strong enough for like 15 foot links lol

[obsidian storm]

make sure that you review the cables and connectors

maybe you're not using the antenna because you've connected a female to female

[reef ridge]

Hopefully it doesn't cook itself over the week.

[leaden crow]

Those lesbian electrical connections never work out.

[obsidian storm]

it made my SDR waterfall really clean!

[haughty moon]

I have a spare set of hardware so I will probably just swap it all and troubleshoot later

But I’ll definitely plan for more time to sit there and make sure it works. Had to see it up and bail last time

[real cedar]

Yes very well

[prisma saddle]

same i can see it too

[inner jay]

Well that settles it. EZRA is going on the roof lol

[real cedar]

@haughty moon which node was it based on. A xiao or a rak? It could be you got a bad ipex. Those are extremely easy to get bad ones on when ordering Amazon. I go adafruit and digikey reputable brands only

I've been burned a few times and killed a radio

Also a radio can receive but not xmit if you forget for set the region but set everything else

[haughty moon]

Its a Rak mini kit from Amazon

I have a couple Rak normals I can set up

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/sora-the-troll-sora-good-luck-good-luck-gif-meme-gif-15287354103297325178

[obsidian storm]

NO WAY

I had a wismesh case on top of my car charging during work and I forgot about it

[whole oxide]

RIP

[obsidian storm]

It fell off on the freeway, I went back and got it

IT LIVES

This thing 100% got ran over

And all it got was a few scratches

[reef ridge]

Looks like it will blend in with government owned infrastructure now.

[pseudo kestrel]

ha!

that's cool Bash!

[manic fractal]

Takes a lick in’ and keeps on tickin’.

[haughty moon]

Do you guys use anything to test TX powe? I have a Nano VNA, but want to measure the actual power

[reef ridge]

You'd want an RF wattmeter, no?

[haughty moon]

Yeah, was wondering if anyone has one that they like. Im looking for one thats good for atleast a couple watts

[reef ridge]

Might be harder to find one that'll work with a LoRa radio. I think the best way would be to use a Spectrum Analyzer.

[haughty moon]

Yeah, most things are ham bands. So maybe a SpecAn and attenuator is the way.

[reef ridge]

I think someone here has a TinySA they might let you borrow, they're pretty cheap too.

[haughty moon]

I've been wanting to get one, but just wanted to see if there was a better option

[reef ridge]

Or maybe you already have a Gucci Oscilloscope that can measure super wide band signals laying around, that'll work too. 😂

[haughty moon]

haha. i dont think i have one of those laying around

[reef ridge]

Apparently mine was the the third most active node for some reason over the past day.

Ah, I had smart position set to 30 second intervals. 😅

[real cedar]

Okay give me the blue prints for the node you made at the space

I want to print that for mount wire

we are gonna put it in a tree

our cargo bikes will not make that.. too steep for those

the rare moment

[leaden crow]

https://www.printables.com/model/1307700-frogbox-for-voltaic-v1

If you don't want to print the enclosure part, just bolt a nema box to it. I would print this one:
https://www.printables.com/model/820212-meshtastic-solar-base-station

[real cedar]

thanks

[leaden crow]

I just printed this one for the SolarXaio. Added 14mm depth so I can double the batteries. 4x P45B

[inner jay]

So I've got Hera pulled apart. The wire and connections to the bulkhead appear to be intact and look good to my eye. I have another pigtail hooked up with one of my spare SMAs and I'm running some tests

I have replacements coming anyway but i've started component isolation

Anyone picking her up?

[prisma saddle]

replied.

see it!

??

[haughty moon]

I got HERA

[inner jay]

Interesting. I didn't get the reply

Although my test antenna is one of those dinky strand ones the heltecs come with

How do I tell if I have a 4630 or 4631?

[inner jay]

Ah i see

So if i needed to replace this I'd be looking for the 4631 kit

[haughty moon]

probably

[inner jay]

Hey I successfully TR'd to AUR

[prisma saddle]

that’s why.

[inner jay]

I heard you back with a better antenna

[prisma saddle]

sweet!

sent back.

[inner jay]

I must have tweaked the antenna cable or something when I put the filter in. Fresh cable and antenna seem to be doing the trick

[real cedar]

ya all got suggestions for a small 3W solar panel that i can buy in a multi pack thats reliable and can survive outdoors. 2-5W and small like I want to make mini city xiao nodes

[real cedar]

Im thinking these https://www.amazon.com/FellDen-Panels-5V-Photovoltaic-110mmx60mm/dp/B0BND5NYGK/ref=sr_1_3?crid=27AP1XT5EZQ3Y&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Z06Dbu8Ke57GKOLvcnBPipqCvsRyIFnGfrNvDTqHhjAeY-qd2cZ6lHZlYUCboIE3I1bgINnNZt1WVX4IdpwkVgFZMlcP1jxo-ZROjU52CZXwa2vvNUcgzE2iYeRYbRXOrtroLiDEEUdirAb0RyAruiP6dMaMDHjN0LSKN6pspWrrxVetTeVTKqLAs3jmzGkkMfsPXO1TcYkBk1R1sJ68NtL1N8QmRcjn3XppyXOXMl0.qx4BWRIDJURxEGTL81c67uu1S18b2JWGKd2yFo0WY2s&dib_tag=se&keywords=2w%2Bsolar%2Bpanel&qid=1760765507&sprefix=2w%2Bsolar%2Bpanel%2Caps%2C172&sr=8-3&th=1

[haughty moon]

Think its enough? Some of the reviews were only getting 100mA under load

[real cedar]

I mean they were setting 0.47 ohm resistors. You can't get the max out without an mppt

So basically my idea is no gps, no other sensors. Small 1A mppt.. panel.. Xiao nodes. Smallest box i can make for it. Antenna mount. Angle bracket with magnets

Stick to infra

Done

The idea is to be able to slap it together quick. Have it contain 2-4 18650s .. and just live out on some city light pole or other piece of infrastructure 😆

[haughty moon]

hmm i guess it could possibly charge from the lamp lmao

[real cedar]

Oh yeah that to. I bet you could pull 10-20 ma from that and if all you got to power is a nrf52 client node that's got it's power usage minimized to basically nothing.. like you'll just sit there and stay topped off

[haughty moon]

https://tutoduino.fr/en/power-consumption-meshtastic/

damn ok i did not realise it was that low power draw

[inner jay]

I have several targets for these. Trick will be getting them high enough so they're not messed with

[real cedar]

Drone delivery

[real cedar]

If you add Lora+gps+ble+a temp sensor you could be in the neighborhood of 130 which is why I was 200 ma

[reef ridge]

Flourecent vest + ladder + drive a white vehicle. Works every time. 😎

[inner jay]

I have 2 of the three lol

I was thinking about a long one of these for a more stealthy deployment
https://a.co/d/dKSkoxX

[reef ridge]

Not the go-go-gadget arm, lol.

That's a good idea too.

[inner jay]

They have snake tongs that go up to 70"

With my height a 48" grabber arm would let me put a node up 12'

[umbral ice]

I want to get some of these and gut them to see how much room is actually inside for deployments. https://a.co/d/5VX07lL LOL

[inner jay]

There's an idea

[carmine umbra]

Just out of curiosity on this idea of smaller nodes spread throughout a city: what role assignment would be best? Something like Client_Hidden, or Client but marked as unmessageable?

[reef ridge]

Yeah, client marked as an infrastructure node would be best.

Maybe something descriptive in the long name, like Infrastructure Client (IC) or Dedicated Relay Client (DRC), or maybe Intra-City Relay (ICR) to not be confused with Strategic Client.

[inner jay]

I like ICR

[real cedar]

@reef ridge I kinda want to use the sentry mode to have people know when other dc801 meshers are at the space. Would be cool

Need to figure out the config and update the bot

[reef ridge]

That's cool, I thought about the same thing when I drove by and it told me I was nearby in the main channel. I just think it should be an opt-in thing. You want to know if Mesh people there? add the Sentry channel to your node so you can be notified.

[pseudo kestrel]

that'd be neat. I think it does a general lookup on all the location packets it sees then does a comparison and an announcement based on that

[obsidian storm]

wish it would use RSSI

[reef ridge]

A problem I can see is if someone has their location precision set low and the channel is being spammed by someone 5 miles away who isn't going to the space at all.

[real cedar]

Maybe we could write our own. If direct neighbor check RSSI. If green. Notify

[pseudo kestrel]

meshing around seems to be a very modular framework to start from

[inner jay]

I forget, is BP in here?

[umbral ice]

Could just make a DC801 channel and have it send there? Folks can opt in that way?

[reef ridge]

Yes, that's what I meant. It currently dumps its sentry reports in the Freq51 channel.

[leaden crow]

@vital hemlock

[reef ridge]

Of course you still have the location precision issue, like me being at a restaurant a mile away and that getting reported.

Maybe we can request a check-in feature for the bot. Then you can DM it and it shows you a list of people there, or a dedicated DC801 channel and the bot updates a list in the channel every time someone checks in or out.

[manic fractal]

It will report to another channel and not put it in main. You just have to change the config file to be the interface and channel that you want. I turned mine off except for the highflying node report but that’s currently going into the alerts channel.

[reef ridge]

Yeah, that's how FPR is currently set up as well.

[manic fractal]

It also has a check-in/check-out feature built in. You have to DM it with the check-in or check-out command. It’s not automatic that I could tell but it’ll keep a log and give a confirmation DM back.

[manic fractal]

Oh, sorry. Didn’t realize you were talking specifically about the hackerspace bot? Disregard.

[reef ridge]

I didn't know about this one though, I gotta look at the docs again. It'd be cool to automate it with RSSI.

[prisma saddle]

latest AI fun @reef ridge @real cedar

[manic fractal]

Yeah, I bet one of you could do that. I just know that I had to turn the function on and played with it a little bit. I don’t see a use case for me but it sounds like what you would want, especially if someone can tweak the code to make it automatic.

[reef ridge]

I swear it's like y'all want it to happen. 😭

[keen glen]

How well do you think one of these ceramic patch antennas would work?
https://www.taoglas.com/product/915-ism-low-profile-pin-mount-ceramic-patch-antenna/

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Taoglas/ISMP.915.35.6.A.02?qs=PqoDHHvF64%252BLGlOQJvZl%252Bg%3D%3D
They're ~$15

[prisma saddle]

haha nah got into Ai video app sora 2 and was bored.

[umbral ice]

@obsidian storm were you ordering baymesh filters through someone or is there a website?

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-that-gif-14729957

[carmine umbra]

Another idea for intra-city relays. Weather station/pollution sensor on a pole. 🤓

[reef ridge]

Are they just leaching power off the pole? 😂

[inner jay]

I've seen legit weather stations setup around the valley like that

[reef ridge]

I've seen a few DOT weather stations around here.

They're a good template for copying.

[inner jay]

Part of me wants to just strap a node to one and have it blend in

[prisma saddle]

and see how long it lasts. for science.

[reef ridge]

I'd be tempted to also if I wasn't worried about the hammer coming down on all of us!

[prisma saddle]

this is true

[inner jay]

Technically the same could happen for strapping these to any city infra like street lights and the like

[prisma saddle]

so im wondering if i can use meshing around for signal testing.. if i message it and it replies back with hops/etc is that already a feature?

[umbral ice]

It is

Assuming that its enabled, you can DM the word ping to it

when AIDA hears the word test in Freq51, she'll DM a confirmation that its working LOL

[prisma saddle]

oh nice i need to mess with that then. which feature is that?

[umbral ice]

Not sure off hand, I just know that she tries so hard to reach everyone LOL

[prisma saddle]

haha ok

thanks

Automated Responses: The bot detects keywords like "ping" and responds with "pong" in direct messages (DMs) or group channels.

sweet ya

[obsidian storm]

@umbral ice This guy

[umbral ice]

Thanks

[real cedar]

My dudes

I am now a HAM

Passed the tech exam that was free today

Will do extra another time

[haughty moon]

Congrats!

Need to at least do the general so we can play HF

[real cedar]

You know that will be the lowest frequency I have ever touched. The highest I've ever touched is 110 GHz

[reef ridge]

You've never listened to an AM radio station?

[inner jay]

AM is for morning people

[prisma saddle]

it’s free today?

[prisma saddle]

am 1160 at midnight or 1am classic stories was awesome growing up.

war of the worlds. lone ranger. awesome stuff lol.

[ivory canyon]

That's great! Congrats man! Welcome to the hobby. 😃

[umbral ice]

*Welcome to another financial black hole.

Congrats @real cedar

[obsidian storm]

And here I failed my general exam 😢

Though I'm going to do another attempt tomorrow and wendesday.

If anyone knows any good cramming resources (beyond ham study, maybe something I can listen to on a drive?) that would help

[reef ridge]

The RF part isn't hard, it's all the rules and regulations that get me. 😅 Not much interesting to learn there, just route memorization of arbitrary rules.

[prisma saddle]

ya general is next.

[prisma saddle]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ_9BZQ8gpzgvfR_G6kGKF9gFRkbw7n4L&si=4AA-gkYs_-jC3kjg

i’ve been watching these and think they been good.

also good. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZ_9BZQ8gpzgvfR_G6kGKF9gFRkbw7n4L&si=4AA-gkYs_-jC3kjg

[real cedar]

I'm gonna jump straight to extra

[haughty moon]

pretty sure you cant skip, but you can take them in the same day

[real cedar]

That's more what I meant lol

[haughty moon]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL1KAjn5rGhix8WFwZsKkc9dWSX8w5KOpD Ham Radio Crash Course is one of the "younger" Ham youtubers. Hes only made 3 videos for the general course so far

[prisma saddle]

extra is hard!

[haughty moon]

Yes, I took all 3 in the same day, but was 2 or 3 off from getting the trifecta. Had to go back for the Extra

[prisma saddle]

so i really need to just bite the billet and do it one day. been studying off and on for like 6 months just for the tech. then i got into meshtastic and stopped lol

[obsidian storm]

shoulda come to the 1 day course yesterady

both my wife and my dad came and passed without any prior prep

[real cedar]

Nah dawg I had AFN and it was all sat radio overseas

[obsidian storm]

just 8 hours of boring misery then done.

[real cedar]

It was at our hackerspace

[prisma saddle]

doh!

[reef ridge]

I think the only time I have was on long road trips when I was a child and we were out of range of any FM stations. LTE is basically everywhere now.

[solemn sedge]

Congrats! Welcome to the club

[manic fractal]

Hi, we’re the FCC. We’re from the government. We’re here to help.

[real cedar]

The bar is low. All you need is a good email and some memorization for tech tbch

[reef ridge]

I think I prefer the Mad Max free-for-all style of the ISM bands.😂

[inner jay]

Ok so these superbat pigtails are a lot more robust than the one this node came with

[haughty moon]

Link?

[inner jay]

https://a.co/d/9MbIxDi

The braided wires are a lot less flimsy than the standard wire

I just brough Hera back online. Anyone seeing my test messages?

[manic fractal]

Yeah, I’m always going to prefer decentralized, free, and libre but think of all the good things that the government typically brings like taxes, rules AND regulations. You don’t get to enjoy those with your “Mad Max” rock-n-roll lifestyle.

[reef ridge]

Fair enough, who doesn't love mandatory auto-doxxing?

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/jackie-wow-pog-omg-cyberpunk-gif-26953743

Anyone seeing pings from Hera?

[manic fractal]

Not seeing them in West Haven currently.

[inner jay]

My Nodedb is still rebuilding. Might not have a connection to west haven yet

I got a response back from one person

[umbral ice]

@real cedar nRF station g3s coming?!

[real cedar]

HELL YES

I KNEW that was the issue

@prisma saddle @reef ridge didnt I say i hahah

callllllled it

[umbral ice]

Just in time for christmas LMAO

[real cedar]

Its like ive mass produced electronics before hahahahaha

[reef ridge]

I'm glad I waited!

[umbral ice]

I'm going to prep my wallet to cry

cause if you think I'm only buying one lmao

[prisma saddle]

called what?

[prisma saddle]

which issue?

Going to pay son / santa quin tomorrow. going to see what i can’t see mesh wise.

[real cedar]

The issue with the station g2 MCU choice being the problem. Maybe it was @leaden crow that I said that to?

[leaden crow]

That's my opinion. It occupied an awkward spot where I wouldn't want to try and solar power it, and I'd much rather have portduino for a home node. I think they should also make an rpi hat.

[prisma saddle]

hmm ya prob. i have. i idea what you speaking of. but then again its the weekend and im exhausted

i’m still interested to see how the rakwireless 1w pi hat is going to turn out.

[inner jay]

Put Hera on my car to see how it fares when it's away from my zero hop nodes

I get the feeling I may need to replace the rak board

[maiden wraith]

batteryhookup just posted some 21700 batteries. These are killer for discharge rate and capacity. https://batteryhookup.com/products/new-3-6v-5000mah-bak-n21700cg-50-2170-lithium-ion-cells?variant=46196788756642

[real cedar]

HELLLLLL YES

[leaden crow]

Can anyone reach the Saintcon node? I could traceroute it while it was in the SL valley, but I can't traceroute it now.
801Labs-Crimson6-SaintCon-GW │ !3a0cbdfb │ 801L │ XIAO_NRF52_KIT

[manic fractal]

$200 per cell? Is that a good price for those?

[umbral ice]

$2.00

130 cells for $260

[manic fractal]

That makes much more sense. I didn’t investigate. I just read the ad that was linked and that seemed a touch exorbitant. Thanks.

[umbral ice]

Yep I did too, but my incredulousness at it made me click on it

and now I'm likely to be $130 $260 poorer lmao

[manic fractal]

Yep, that’s how they getcha.

[reef ridge]

2.50 for 21700s? Great deal!

[maiden wraith]

Lmao must be a typo.

[reef ridge]

How's the shipping?

[maiden wraith]

ThThey're usually not great but good for group buys or larger orders.

i usually get the pullee AAA and AA batteries from tbem for my kid toys and stuff and shipping on small stuff is fine. There's an annoying middleground where it's not worth it unless your order is very small or rather large.

[reef ridge]

Taxes and shipping adds 42.59, which puts it at 2.32 per cell if you buy a case. Anyone down for a group buy?

[leaden crow]

@obsidian storm
If we ever get another node build event at the space, might be worth buying these? We've got so much stuff going on, I think planning that might be month+ out at this point.

[inner jay]

Seems Hera is working fine now. Frigging pigtails lol

[obsidian storm]

I have so many batteries

I don't need anymore

[stone shell]

I can pitch in $4.64 😂

[reef ridge]

It'd be cool to have 128 21700, but I don't think I want to spend 300 dollars on it right now. 😅

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/three-fitty-gif-1684909778489327763

[inner jay]

Just imagine though, a node with a 24ah capacity!

You'd only have to recharge a RAK every...2 years!

[reef ridge]

When we need to solar power a Nebra, we can make a 3s43p.

[umbral ice]

recharging a rak with that big of a battery with a shoshine lmao

[inner jay]

Like trickle charging a semi truck lol

[umbral ice]

filling a 747 from E with 5gallon cans more like LOL

[pseudo kestrel]

Seen 41 minutes ago for me, tracing now

[leaden crow]

I haven't been able to trace it, but I have been getting nodeinfo from it. Also, my nodedb is growing. We've definitely got Saintcon traffic.

[pseudo kestrel]

5/5 trace fail from RxTr

5/5 trace fail from RxFF

5/5 trace fail from RxBs

[inner jay]

Think we're gonna need more nodes in UTC if we're to TR that far

My last successful TR to 801L was a 7 hop

[inner jay]

I really think there's something different with how traceroutes work on MF. I get failures even to nodes a mile or two away

Although MeshSense has somehow managed to build a web

So I dunno what it is

[inner jay]

I think the big G above pleasant grove would be a good router location. There is even an existing solar panel tower we could strap to

[leaden crow]

What is that thing? Solar panel powering what? Looks like just a chonky pole with a nipple. It's super weird and funny they'd put that little dog fence around it. What are they hoping to keep out?

[inner jay]

Might be to power the lights for the G

[umbral ice]

@obsidian storm Sentry might be nice for tracking your kids now 😄

[manic fractal]

Keep ‘em corralled in one area. Now just retro fit the rig with a shock collar and we’re talking.

[leaden crow]

Yep. The project will incorporate solar-powered LED lighting and have batteries to be turned on remotely.
https://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/2022/nov/09/restoration-work-begins-on-g-mountain-in-pleasant-grove/
What a waste of $800k.

[inner jay]

We should put it to good use 😉

[leaden crow]

I don't think it's an especially good spot. I'd go further up the mountain. Put it in a tree.
https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=FIJF3RMW
If you could get approval and power from their solar, might be worth it.

[haughty moon]

Noise floor isn’t too bad, but there’s defiantly some signals out there

[inner jay]

There are a few sparse trees above the G that could work

[ember torrent]

Lol. You Bing that?

$800k and that pole crooked as shit. 🤣🤣🤣

[inner jay]

My bet is that the solar panel wasn't at the right angle so they just adjusted the pole instead 🤣

[vital hemlock]

@reef holly

[leaden crow]

The other odd thing is, why install the panel at the bottom of the pole? You'd think they want it out of snow, away from animals. I'd just have mounted it 5' higher and not installed that silly little fence.

[inner jay]

#governmentwork

[vital hemlock]

We’ll have a bunch of new folks joining from Saintcon today

[leaden crow]

Yep, I've noticed active nodes ~25% higher than normal

They installed my magnetic node on a balcony next to the conference center.
#1025154642201550888 message
I'm a little disappointed the magnets are a total waste. 😆

[vital hemlock]

@lusty basalt

[prisma saddle]

hmm def no signal inside primary children’s hospital. like fort nox

@haughty moon you looking at Stamsberry router this week? wonder what it’s issue is.

[haughty moon]

Matter of fact, I’m packing to go check it out now

I have a hunch of what went wrong , but and am going to replace it with a full size rak with gps and weather sensor

[prisma saddle]

sweet. let me know when you need testing. can have all of them out there report back.

[manic fractal]

SLRMC (the old Holy Cross, which is the new Holy Cross) and ORMC are both the same story. Sometimes can receive but can’t get anything out.

[prisma saddle]

looks like my home node recv test messages. so it got out.

[grizzled crane]

Can anyone point me in the right direction as far as meshtastic settings?

I recently switched to the settings from freq51.net on a new t-deck and I'm not seeing other nodes pop up.

Switching back to long fast with freqency 51, which I previously had success with, I'm now having issues discovering other nodes with this new device using these settings.

I've also noticed when booting up just one of my devices that I see my other devices as online despite them being off.

Thanks for any help

[prisma saddle]

where are you out of?

these are our current settings https://freq51.net/migrate

[grizzled crane]

I'm in slc

[prisma saddle]

ok. around what area? do you see one called AUR?

[prisma saddle]

make sure your on medium fast. freq slot 51 and hop count 7.

And the channel 0 settings as seen in the link.

Freq51 name and key is 1byte if on ios and key value 1A== might be your issue.

[ember torrent]

MediumFast is your go to. Be patient.

Barely any one of LongFast51, so you wont see anyone.

I’m sure your other devices will go “offline” after some time.

[reef ridge]

Did you remember to clear your NodeDB?

[inner jay]

Also remember to clear your nodedb after the switch or you'll have stale data

[grizzled crane]

I'll try freq51.net settings again, I did switch off after an hour or so

Perhaps leaving my baud rate on the web flasher's default of 115200 contributes to my issues?

[prisma saddle]

send out a message once you have the settings. we will reply if seen. also make sure it’s as high as possible

[prisma saddle]

what’s its name?

[grizzled crane]

Still resetting, I'll send out the name once it's up

tysm

[haughty moon]

Okay. Testing before climb before final placement

Can’t see salt lake but should see Tooele

@prisma saddle is it you who had connections with the Grantsville roof node

[inner jay]

Baud rate should only affect your serial connection to a pc

[inner jay]

I think that's his dad

Ezra "should" have los to stansbury so I should prob be able to see it when it goes up

[haughty moon]

Yeah I can only see the tooele side rn

Wanted to test before I climb the last bit

[inner jay]

Last HWT from where Ezra is sitting

[haughty moon]

Slowly making it up the mtn

Hitting something

[leaden crow]

CE-Roof │ !ee4f56c9
If the coords are correct, that is in Grantsville

[haughty moon]

It’s hopping through that unknown. I’m seeing a bunch

[leaden crow]

I've seen a lot of unknown hops lately too. Not sure if it's nodedb propogation issues or someone has setup repeaters?

[haughty moon]

Yep. Idk. I hope they get rid of repeater soon

Okay. I’ll check back in once I hit the peak I’m aiming for. This trail feels like it’s straight vertical

[pseudo kestrel]

The VA Hospital is similarly a dead-zone

[haughty moon]

Alrighty

I got some messages from Milcreek back

Direct -4 SNR

[grizzled crane]

I'm near UofU campus

I factory reset two of my t-decks and they're now picking up nodes normally with MediumFast/51. (6 visible so far)

Strangely, I can see Aurora Uranialis Router on my 3rd device set to LongFast/51. This device (robust-smile/rsfl) shows 21 nodes online.

[haughty moon]

So if you flip between nodes sometimes the app gets stuck

Force close the app a couple of times between node switches

Maybe even turn off Bluetooth for good measure

[leaden crow]

I got your messages in NSL, but not in Holladay. How many hops do you have configured?

Definitely working better though. I got nothing from old STIR.

[prisma saddle]

yup i’ll have them test.

[haughty moon]

7 hops

Getting messages back

Seems successful

[leaden crow]

Take that back. I am getting all your messages. I think contact just gets in a bad state and has to be restarted periodically.
They're all on my meshview:
https://meshview-ds1.freq51.net/chat

[haughty moon]

Awesome

[prisma saddle]

ok cool new hardware does it i guess

[haughty moon]

Well actually. I think the hardware is good. The problem was an airbudy 2way amp and amazon filter

I tested a different set on the tiny SA and noticed the signal was getting garbled. I’ll get some pictures tonight

So now no amp or filter and it’s working great

And it’s probably 500 feet higher then last location

[reef ridge]

Seems like the air buddy amps are nothing but trouble.

[haughty moon]

Too good to be true

Alright getting ready to leave in the next 15 minutes

Let me know if anything seems weird or if it should be good

[prisma saddle]

ok sounds good. did you see a ce-roof

guess you left by now.

[leaden crow]

#1197577977781821541 message

[haughty moon]

Yes. I think it was the first node I saw

[prisma saddle]

haha nice!

[prisma saddle]

thanks. a bit behind. catching up.

[inner jay]

Reading STIR loud and clear

[haughty moon]

Made it back to the truck. Sweet

[inner jay]

Is position enabled on STIR? Don't have a location for it yet

[haughty moon]

Yes 3 hrs

[inner jay]

Cool. I was able to TR to it from Wren

WREN -> HERA -> EZRA -> MM -> STIR

Technically 3 hop since Hera is in my garage atm lol

and I'm seeing tooele nodes populating now

[leaden crow]

It's funny the traceroutes seem to be hopping from MM. That's a long hop.

[inner jay]

MM seems to be the most router non-router we have

I really wanna know what that setup is

[leaden crow]

It's reported as a Heltec V3. I bet it's just got good LoS.

[inner jay]

Given it's position, why did we decide to set STIR as router_late instead of Router?

[leaden crow]

Having more routers will eventually be a problem, even on MF. I think unless it is in a very prominent location (FPR, NPR, LAKE). It should almost always be a router_late, client or client_base. At minimum, I would initially configure it at as one of those. It might be that we determine the location necessitates a router and can change it at that point. One other thing that changes the equation is how many nodes it's connecting. Right now Tooele & Granstville is a small number of nodes.
I could have argued that WC1 could connect Park City and should be a router, but in reality the only thing it connected all summer is me when I was biking Crest. If at some point we have a lot of nodes in Park City and need a router between SL & PC, it might make sense to change it.

[umbral ice]

I do wonder if there is a critical threshold for clients where we'd eventually run into too many clients and they start negatively impacting hops. I wouldn't think so given the routing priorities and timing, but sometimes the way traffic routes is still kinda sus to me

[leaden crow]

We're always going to have some inherent limitations. baymesh is right now switching to MF because of congestion on MS, but they are at 500+ active nodes. I don't think we'll be there for a long time.

[inner jay]

They also have the advantage of a lot of high flying nodes

Given the city architecture

Given we only have 4 routers on the east mountains, I wonder if a little longitudinal diversity would be helpful

I know getting NPR back up will be helpful but still

[umbral ice]

At least in Southern ID, I'm aiming for strong strategic clients or RLs in the cardinal directions. I've got N E and S so far

[leaden crow]

I think they have worse geography than us. We have prominent mountains surrounding an expansive valley. They just have a lot more nodes and people rn. They also have some dedicated people that are doing really interesting things. I've followed some of what the other large mesh are doing and I think baymesh is the best one to copy.

[umbral ice]

Isn't baymesh setting stuff up specifically for licensed ham operators besides their own infra?

[inner jay]

They also have 13 routers in San Jose on MF alone

[leaden crow]

I would say they are involved with their HAM community and getting some tower placement on their infrastructure. Hopefully we do too.

[umbral ice]

13 routers is crazy to me. More than 3 or 4 just seems like you'd get router locked to specific areas, but given difference in size i guess you gotta do what you gotta do

[leaden crow]

I think their number of routers is one of the mistakes they made. I'm not that involved, I'm going to study their router placement, but it seems like too much.

[inner jay]

Yeah we're 500 sq miles whereas they're 179

[leaden crow]

Maybe it will work on MF. Right now I think we are a little too sparse for MF.

[umbral ice]

And if you combine Southern ID with you guys we're like 3000 square miles lmao

[haughty moon]

Without NPR, it might make sense to have stir as router, but definitely not once we get NPR dialed

[leaden crow]

I agree with this. If we don't get NPR, we should make some decisions about what to do over the winter. We could make both POTM and STIR routers and probably switch to MS. Then revisit next summer.

[inner jay]

For some reason I thought POTM was a router

[haughty moon]

What software watchdogs are you guys running on linux/raspberry pi? Bonus points for a link to a tutorial

[leaden crow]

#meshtasticd message

[haughty moon]

You get a gold star!

[real cedar]

We have analyzed the geography of our area and honestly, unless you're above 8,500 ft, you really shouldn't be a router

And that's if you see a very wide area around the mountain

Line of sight is King. And there are limitations to our geography and at some point we're just going to run into them. 😂

For the number of routers and clients, we need to really make the network reliable. We would have to be on medium fast or short, slow or short fast. Which limits our modes? So the question is what's the optimal number? In reality is if you see two distinct geographical areas and your say 2,000 to 4,000 ft above the city then you should be a router late. And we should limit those as well and then you just have a lot of clients. Whatever the route is whatever the number of hops that's just what is going to happen

This is a mesh Network which means you can't control the number of hops no matter how much you try.

So what is that leave us with in terms of an optimization problem. Well it leaves you with very few strategic routers and router late placements.. you want them to see as much as you can connecting as many different areas that are disconnected as you can.. and then you have to rely on the clients in between and you hope that they see most clients so they're only a couple hops away

Kind of like an engineering problem. What are your knowns, unknowns and constraints

[ember torrent]

I ran across something in the documentation saying over ~60 nodes, telemetry and gps broadcasts gets throttled using some equation.

Bing led me to this calculator with some references.
https://pole1.co.uk/broadcastcalc/

[jolly goblet]

Is LAKE still online? I haven’t seen it in days.

[inner jay]

Yep. I see it

[jolly goblet]

Thanks

[leaden crow]

I just got a traceroute back from it. Definitely online.
!eba4d26b --> !e5e0542e (-1.25dB) --> !e303e696 (-8.0dB) --> !d55a6737 (-4.0dB)
Route traced back to us:
!d55a6737 --> Unknown (?dB) --> !eba4d26b (-11.75dB)

[real cedar]

Who's the unknown

[leaden crow]

¯_(ツ)_/¯
Hopefully not somebody installing repeaters.

[haughty moon]

What’s also concerning is I sometimes get TRs with repeaters in them. Hmm

[leaden crow]

The different clients display it differently. Unknown, repeater or !ffffffff, are all basically the same thing. Some hop it can't identify. It happened a lot on LF51 because NPR was on pre 2.5 firmware and would always show up that way in hops. I would assume nobody that moved to MF51 is still on firmware that old.

This is weird. I checked my debug log and it doesn't show that intermediate unknown hop at all. I wonder if it's a CLI traceroute bug?

{"channel":4,"from":3579471671,"hop_start":4,"hops_away":1,"id":3672240621,"payload":{"route":["ds roof","TH Roof","Alien Tower 🛸","🎣 Lake Mountain Router"],"route_back":["🎣 Lake Mountain Router","ds roof"],"snr_back":[],"snr_towards":[-1.25,-8,-4]},"rssi":-82,"sender":"!eba4d26b","snr":-11.75,"timestamp":1761147071,"to":3953447531,"type":"traceroute"}

[vital hemlock]

@deft steppe

[strong pagoda]

you say no one on mf51 would be on old firmware, but we totally have had that trace route crap; so dont put too much hope in people lmao

😂

[leaden crow]

It's not really a problem, just annoying on traceroute results. I had a theory today and ran a bunch of traceroutes, but results inconclusive.
My theory is that fake "unknown" or "repeater" hops only happened to nodes with emojis in the name. It's too inconsistent to tell, but I feel like there is some bug. My client reports the "unknown" hop, but most of the time it doesn't exist in the debug log.

[haughty moon]

Interesting

[inner jay]

Question: I set my roof to client_base. Should I change my home node to client_mute?

[prisma saddle]

make sure you fav all nodes on the roof that are below the roof you want stuff sent to.

[inner jay]

On the base node yes?

One of my under roof nodes is a MQTT sensor for us. @obsidian storm does it affect the net if it's on client_mute?

[leaden crow]

Yes. If you have a roof node, you want all your other nodes to be client_mute.

[leaden crow]

No, not at all. client_mute can still downlink MQTT. It just won't rebroadcast messages, which you don't need it to do. You have a roof node rebroadcasting

[inner jay]

So far my TR's are routing through the roof first after the change. Seems to be doing its job

One helluva return trip lol

[prisma saddle]

good to see jal roof earning its keep.

[prisma saddle]

@leaden crow @obsidian storm @real cedar Fyi been talking to my dad who has been in contact with tooele emergency dept which has access to all the peaks around there. flat top. npr. deseret. anyway he is going to get me a map of all the towers he has access to. said we can have access to what ever is needs. but what i was going to say is he said he was on NPR the other day and said the company that has their radios near the node ripped it down and there’s if on the ground. he is going to retrieve it. but just so it’s known.

[real cedar]

Rofl about time. I was wondering how long that would take. @obsidian storm any news on getting the official up.

Also deseret has a tower? That would be epic

Aur still lives though hahahahah

[prisma saddle]

this dude does all the emergency stuff around there. fire horn towers etc. said he has access to a 50’ wood pole on flat top we can helicopter to and place one on

anyway i’m getting a map and locs of all there is and he said once nodes are ready he can get them up on them.

[leaden crow]

Interesting. I wonder when that happened? Curious if that was when it started working intermittently. Like still on and running, but on the ground.

[prisma saddle]

ya dunno. said it was recent . like this week or so. anyway, they’re gonna get me a list of everywhere. They have access to and all the towers that they have access to and I was told that they don’t even have to ask permission. They can just play stuff wherever they want. Cause it’s all under the “tooele emergency dept”.

[leaden crow]

The most important thing we need to determine for these sites is if we can get power. Solar nodes are fine if that's all we can get, but being able to remote manage and firmware update with LTE, HaLow is huge.

[real cedar]

Well now NPR is fully dead so ya all long fasters don't have any reason to stay on long fast 😂

Universe is giving a sign 🤣

[prisma saddle]

i’ll find out.

talking more tomorrow.

[real cedar]

Bro my coworker just crop dusted my other coworker so loudly I had to get up and ask if he was still dry 😭

[inner jay]

I wanna take a helo!

[leaden crow]

I built one of these pigtails with a Taoglas.
#1197577977781821541 message
They have much more narrow valley. I think they are really only good for about 910 MHz - 915 MHz centered around 913. I think they would be bad for default longfast (freq slot 20), but really pretty good for us at 914 MHz. They do have more loss than the Murata. I measured about 2.5dB loss. Murata was only about 1dB.

[umbral ice]

I was going to do that, but I can’t find those filters.

[leaden crow]

The taoglas or the murata?

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/960-DBP.915.V.A.30
https://www.ebay.com/itm/256953324761

[prisma saddle]

new app to play with. https://meshmonitor.org/

[umbral ice]

all these apps over IP are gonna kill me lol. I want all the apps on one node

I guess I could do Meshing around over USB AND another over IP maybe?

[prisma saddle]

lol. maybe. i’m gonna have it on a vm

[umbral ice]

Meshing-around is on a VM for me lol

[prisma saddle]

homelab.

nice.

[umbral ice]

i need to build out a real LLM box to feed meshing around

cause that'll be interesting

I already feed it my kiwix wiki* instead of wikipedia

[haughty moon]

I just finally got meshsense dialed in lol. Now you come in here with something newer and better...

[prisma saddle]

haha. well this is not a mqtt thing. more of a web client. .

[haughty moon]

I wasn't using mqtt on meshsense

[prisma saddle]

oh right. that one is direct. true. lol. well more fun toys. …. lol

[haughty moon]

did you have issues getting logged in? the default isnt working for me

[prisma saddle]

not touched it yet. will in the morning.

[haughty moon]

I got it

[prisma saddle]

setup issue or they post the wrong login info?

[haughty moon]

I'm running it on a raspberry pi and it wouldnt work on the browser at http:/localhost:8080
so i had to edit the .yml to add my windows desktop - ALLOWED_ORIGINS=http://192.169.xxx.xxx:8080
then loggin in on windows desktop worked. so idk if its a raspberry pi issue, or a chromium issue. but once i added my win11 as an allowed origin it worked there

[haughty moon]

Its pretty dang cool. Thanks for sharing

[umbral ice]

Quick look around and I found my answer to too many IP tools. #meshtasticd message
LOL didn't even occur to me to UDP simulated nodes with meshtasticd

I threw way more resources at my meshtools vm than it'll ever really need so.... bunch of client mutes sims? LOL

Or client hidden?

Literally sovles all of my woes though

[prisma saddle]

why would you do simulated modes. what’s the use case there ?

[inner jay]

Blueprinting maybe?

[keen glen]

#meshtasticd message
It looks like it's a way to get around the 1:1 API limitation for services. Say you have several bots/listener services interacting with a single radio.

[umbral ice]

Tested a very small bit last night and my meshing around is functional after I moved AIDA to a simulated radio. Now I can create a terminal client and connect it to another sim radio and pipe reverse proxy that service out so I can have remote access to my home node. Then have one to play with mesh monitor as well

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/montgomery-scott-james-doohan-star-trek-series-star-trek-film-franchise-royal-canadian-army-gif-21234560

[prisma saddle]

meh was trying to install it bare metal.. and its being dumb.. ill break down and do docker.

[reef ridge]

What are y'all trying to do? Another monitoring app?

Better than Mala?

[prisma saddle]

#1197577977781821541 message

just diff.. not mqtt ran.

node client.

[reef ridge]

Oh, interesting.

[inner jay]

Perhaps one day we'll get an official exe

[prisma saddle]

@obsidian storm does alien have ok to mqtt on? not seeing it on any mqtt stuff..

not that it matters... just wondering

[obsidian storm]

Just added it

[prisma saddle]

Think we have a lot of nodes not set "ok to mqtt". stat wise that would help i think, at least to see more of what is out there and going on.

gonna make sure its in the guide to be enabled

[stark burrow]

yo

[haughty moon]

👋

[inner jay]

@prisma saddle Did you run into any trouble with the default admin password on your meshmonitor build?

[haughty moon]

I had the same trouble but figured it out. I'm running it on a raspberry pi and it wouldnt work on the browser at http:/localhost:8080
so i had to edit the .yml to add my windows desktop - ALLOWED_ORIGINS=http://192.169.xxx.xxx:8080
then loggin in on windows desktop worked. so idk if its a raspberry pi issue, or a chromium issue. but once i added my win11 as an allowed origin it worked there

Or I read people added localhost:8080

[inner jay]

I'm talking about the admin password when you click Login on the upper right. Docs say its admin:changeme but it's incorrect

[haughty moon]

right

for some reason I don't think that localhost was added as an allowed origin

[inner jay]

So I need to add that to the docker yml file?

[haughty moon]

try adding

• ALLOWED_ORIGINS=http://localhost:8080, http://theipofthehostdevice:8080

to the .yml docker file under environment

make sure to restart the docker

[inner jay]

Same issue

I'm using the compose file straight from their github

[reef ridge]

Anyone have a spare IPEX to SMA male pigtail?

[inner jay]

I have a few

[reef ridge]

Where are you located?

[inner jay]

West valley

[reef ridge]

Damn, that's a drive but I have no choice! Amazon left them out of my order and I need one by tomorrow, it's gonna snow on the mountain Sunday. 🫠

[inner jay]

Where are you?

[reef ridge]

Ogden.

[inner jay]

Oof

[reef ridge]

Yeah, you available tomorrow?

[inner jay]

Yeah I'll be home all day

@haughty moonFigured it out. I have the context wrong

[reef ridge]

Born too late to enjoy RadioShack when it sold electronics. 😭

[inner jay]

Born on time but got into this too late lol

[haughty moon]

what was the fix?

[inner jay]

Format is this:

• ALLOWED_ORIGINS=http://localhost:8080,http://192.168.50.140:8080

I had it split into 2 lines

@reef ridge Any other parts you may need I might have?

[reef ridge]

Nope, just the cable for the filter.

[leaden crow]

You need this one, right? For the cavity filter?
I have extra too, but they are kind of short. ~3"

[inner jay]

I have the same ones

[reef ridge]

Yeah, that's the one. It can be short, the radio is close to the top of the enclosure.

Would you happen to be further north than West Valley?

[inner jay]

Is dagron closer to you?

[leaden crow]

Probably not, I am in Holladay

I'm guessing slightly farther away

[inner jay]

What time would you be down here? I could prob meet you somewhere

[reef ridge]

I'd try to come early.

Like 7 or 8, that cool?

[inner jay]

Yeah I'll be up

[reef ridge]

Sweet, thanks!

Lots of setbacks on this filter project. 😅

[inner jay]

You working on FPR?

[reef ridge]

Yeah, trying to make it better at listening. It doesn't have a filter at the moment.

[reef ridge]

Snow has melted and it's dried out a bit up there, and we don't have time to wait any longer. Gonna snow soon and they'll close the road off at the end of the month.

[reef ridge]

Do you have a picture of your pigtail just to verify?

[reef ridge]

Excellent.

I just double checked Amazon and the 12 inch pigtails were actually available for overnight, lets see if they can keep their promise!

[inner jay]

Welp, lemme know

[reef ridge]

If it's not there when I wake up tomorrow I'll DM you, thanks again.

[prisma saddle]

yes i did. but added the ip on allowed origins . then it worked.

[prisma saddle]

go get the bay mesh from bash.

[reef ridge]

I have it, that's what's going in!

[prisma saddle]

ah ok cool!! 🙂

[sage sentinel]

Did you get one? I’m in clearfield and have 2

How long do you need?

[reef ridge]

Oh, that's great! I ordered some excessively long ones overnight from Amazon, but if they noshow could I get em from you tomorrow?

[sage sentinel]

2” maybe

[reef ridge]

Lol, those are SMA female but I appreciate the offer.

[sage sentinel]

Ahh, I got excited to help and just grabbed them.

[reef ridge]

All good! Thanks though.

[white gyro]

@leaden crow I've been using a wio you gave me but when I tried to wire one up myself finally on a pi zero 2, it won't work. Can you see anything obvious? I put notes in https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D-MTqVTFD1vdS5QCzeWl3BXM4Ye-n4tVF69ctAFyNUc/edit?tab=t.0

[leaden crow]

If anyone is planning on buying more Alfa AOA-915-5ACM
I strongly recommend getting this Gizont for a few dollars more:
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256806241790045.html

My traceroutes from dsr2 > STIR are always direct, so I get really consistent SNR measurements. This is the improvement I got just upgrading from an Alfa to the Gizont:

Alfa:
Outbound: -.51dB mean SNR from 22 recorded values
Inbound: -7.65dB mean SNR from 22 recorded values

Gizont 35CM:
Outbound: 3.14dB mean SNR from 21 recorded values
Inbound: -2.97dB mean SNR from 21 recorded values

So a ~4dB improvement on both tx and rx. Both of these antennas measured about the same SWR (~1.1)

[leaden crow]

Can you paste my exact config from /etc/meshtasticd on the working one? It's been a minute since I made that. I don't remember exactly.

[white gyro]

checking...

[leaden crow]

I am heading out for a bike ride right now, so I might not get back to you for a few hours.

[haughty moon]

It’s also roughly twice as tall right?

STIR has an Alfa in it so even better A/B comparison lol

[white gyro]

Lora:
  Module: sx1262 
  CS: 21
  IRQ: 16
  Busy: 20
  Reset: 18
  # TXen: 13
  RXen: 12
  DIO3_TCXO_VOLTAGE: true

[leaden crow]

Yes, that is one downside. In applications where you need a lower profile antenna, the Alfa is better.
I've replaced the Alfas now on wc1, wc2, dsr2 all of them had a pretty huge improvement going to the larger Gizont.

[wet galleon]

Whats up everyone. Ive been out of town the last 2 weeks.
Did i miss anything Major??

[prisma saddle]

hey dude how is goes it. not really. can’t think of anything new. did you figure out your nodes?

[wet galleon]

Yeah i got everything squared away yesterday when I got back.
The change to MF was a great choice!

[prisma saddle]

lptop back up?

[white gyro]

@leaden crow the radio is working, wooo, so the screen not turning on is its own issue, not the whole thing failing

[manic fractal]

How DARE you assume their gender??!??!?!!

[inner jay]

Fine, they're SMA "bottoms"

[prisma saddle]

hermaphroditic connector.

[inner jay]

Wouldn't that be an adapter?

[prisma saddle]

lol dunno.

[manic fractal]

Maybe they identify as N-type? Who am I to judge?

[prisma saddle]

“they”.

[inner jay]

Discussing the pronouns of RF conectors. Not what I thought I'd be doing on a saturday lol

[manic fractal]

2025; it’s a brave new world.

[prisma saddle]

lol

[manic fractal]

Well, there you go.

[stark burrow]

Yo anyone in utah county area have one on so i can test message you just got mine up and running

[inner jay]

We have some nodes in UTC. Send out on the general channel and someone should pick you up

[stark burrow]

how do i get on the general cahnnel

@inner jay

[haughty moon]

https://freq51.net/onboarding
https://freq51.net/migrate

[stark burrow]

Ok also yall i live near G mountain and i honestly think we could get one up there me and my friend were kinda starting to plan it

[inner jay]

I was just talking about putting one up there earlier

[haughty moon]

That would be awesome. We don’t have too many good nodes further south. If you’re serious about it, we can help you get set up. Higher up the mountain would be better if possible

[stark burrow]

Yeah I love to hike that mountain and there is many ways to get it up higher on the mountain.

[prisma saddle]

ya just send a message out. should hit lake .

will reply if we get it.

[inner jay]

A node on the G would cover practically all of UTC

[prisma saddle]

node name?

[stark burrow]

My node name for my new one is Meshtastic 43b0

[inner jay]

I would suggest changing at least your short name to something identifiable

[prisma saddle]

hmm ya so just send something out in prim channel. freq51.

[stark burrow]

it says max retransmission reached

[prisma saddle]

make sure all your settings are matching from the guide.

[inner jay]

Try again. Maybe get a little higher

What device are you using?

[stark burrow]

Heltec v3

[prisma saddle]

stock antenna?

[stark burrow]

yeah

im new

[inner jay]

Seems you have the brain cell today lol

[prisma saddle]

no prob. ya got higher if you can. and face lake mountain.

[inner jay]

That stubby antenna is gonna be your biggest handicap. I suggest a better one

Heltec should really send along a decent antenna with their starter kits

[stark burrow]

ok

OK boys imma try and get higher later and try again

[inner jay]

This one has been a good performer for me while maintaining portability
https://a.co/d/29mFlpy

[stark burrow]

yeah thats what i have been told so ill order it

[inner jay]

Side question for the group. If I replace a node and use the same key pair on the new node, will it still work despite the node id being different?

[haughty moon]

What do you mean by key pair

[inner jay]

Public/private keys

[leaden crow]

That should work fine.
You can have problems if you regenerate your keys (node id stays the same, but keys change), but that should only be a problem with DMing nodes that have the old key in their nodedb.

[haughty moon]

And both devices would NOT be on at the same time right? At least not with the same keys. That doesn’t sound like a good idea

[inner jay]

Aight. I'm not opposed to rebuilding a db but I didn't know if using the same name would cause a problem without using the old keys

[leaden crow]

That actually doesn't cause a problem either. Searching for old post...

[inner jay]

No I'll be repurposing the hardware

[leaden crow]

#1197577977781821541 message
😆

I've been meaning to write a script that watches for these duplicate keys in my nodedb. Generated with low entropy bug.
It's not close to the top of my todo list though.

[prisma saddle]

oh ya that would ne nice send a DM to duplicates.. 😛

[haughty moon]

Okay so small problem, at least it doesn’t break the mesh lol

[leaden crow]

Yeah, bad for security, but mesh will work no problem.
I mean, not especially bad if you want whoever got your duplicate key to also remote admin all your stuff. 😆

[haughty moon]

So if you’re just duplicating the name, you don’t really need to duplicate the keys. Unless you are RAing? Or is there something else I’m missing?

[prisma saddle]

nope your right. no other reason to unless you want RA with those same keys

[inner jay]

No, just replacing my MQTT uplink node with new hardware but I want to keep the name

[keen glen]

Do we have a node on Lone Peak? I should be able to hit that from my house.

No idea how difficult it is to get to

Box Elder or O'Sullivan seem like they might reach as well

[prisma saddle]

we did at one time.. lptop.. but it died or something @wet galleon

[haughty moon]

I have seen it up still

I think it may have gotten moved towards the northern face?

[prisma saddle]

dunno. i cant see it at all

[haughty moon]

i have it direct

[prisma saddle]

whats its id?

[haughty moon]

!f6a998a0

[prisma saddle]

weird, wonder if its channel or something is off.. or wrong.. dunno

[haughty moon]

ohhh

[prisma saddle]

cant ping or anthing

[haughty moon]

wait maybe i did notice that

[prisma saddle]

it stuck in mediumfast ? channel ?

[haughty moon]

yes, default key, empty channel

[prisma saddle]

ah that would be it 🙂

so looks like need that fixed. would help some in the valley tooo

[haughty moon]

yeah I added the extra channel for this reason haha

[prisma saddle]

🙂

[haughty moon]

depending on how it was set up, couldn't it still be passing packets, just not decrypting?

[prisma saddle]

@inner jay you have mqtt downlink on?

[prisma saddle]

hmm think it was client. but maybe.. dunno its full settings

[inner jay]

Just uplink

[leaden crow]

I have the default channel and I see LPTop too. So it probably just doesn't have Freq51 configured.
Also, I have good connectivity to it, can regulary get traceroutes back.

[prisma saddle]

ya has to be it.

[inner jay]

Isnt Alien and Traverse Mountain on that?

[prisma saddle]

gonna add it to my roof node for science.

[haughty moon]

maybe not high enough?

[prisma saddle]

or the angle is off. for EM to see them

[inner jay]

Possible

I'll be in Bluffdale near the hwy tonight so I can see if I can hit some EM nodes while I'm there

Should be right in the gap of the two mountains

[leaden crow]

We did have Saintcon connecting to our mesh this week and it didn't break anything. My nodedb count peaked at 151 and has dropped back to 115 nodes today. I suspect the actual count is much higher than that. Unfortunately Utah county mesh is still a little sparse. I got nodeinfo packets from Saintcon, but none of the messages. I talked to someone yesterday who was at the conference and it sounds like it was getting some use.

[leaden crow]

The problem is they are trying to be price competitive with Lilygo, RAK, Seeed. Unfortunately as long as that is happening, we will continue getting garbage tier antennas bundled. If I could get the Ziisor antennas for ~$2/shipped pre-tariff, I'm sure they would be less in bulk and would be a great bundled antenna. It sucks that so many people have bad out of box experience just because of this.

[stark burrow]

Does anyone near af or pg have a longer range a antenna I could buy off them?

[leaden crow]

Sorry, not in Utah County.
If you could make it up to the Hackerspace next Thurs. I have an extra Alfa.

[reef ridge]

It seems like it'd be better if they didn't include an antenna at all. At least people would probably buy a decent one right away.

[haughty moon]

Everyone would turn them on and burn up the PA

[reef ridge]

Lol, I'm sure people who are going to do that do it regardless of if the antenna is included, but that's a good point.

[umbral ice]

@inner jay This also applies to RA. It’s why you gotta reset the nodedb on routers too if you update your key.

[haughty moon]

Wait. That makes sense why I couldn’t RA

Dang it

[umbral ice]

Makes swapping them kind of a process because you need two radios

[stark burrow]

Yall im on g mountain scouting places

[leaden crow]

haha, kind of dark for scouting right now. Look for healthy trees you can climb. birdhouse node is the way to go.

[inner jay]

That coverage map i posted Is from the solar post. Anything higher will be even better

[real cedar]

Your telling me. Plus all the homelab docker crap is just getting annoying. I run proxmox. If imma container stuff I want it as lxc or bust pretty much. Worse yet docker is a fucking dumpster fire once you dig into it technically and it's not haha hehe yaml copy paste and having gone down that route I don't want a second f'ing job for my homelab haha

If you can compile a docker you can make a standalone Linux compilable binary available and a script. It's trivial.. and if you hard coded dependencies then I mean your codes trash anyway imho and I wouldn't run it 😆

[stark burrow]

Do I have everything set?

[haughty moon]

Just a typo on the channel name. Should be Freq51

[stark burrow]

Done!

[prisma saddle]

glad to have ya!

[umbral ice]

I saw you from Idaho 😛

@haughty moon you heard me! At least once haha

[haughty moon]

The link seems to be getting better. I ddint see the second message though

Thanks @reef ridge for putting the filter on FPR, I think its hearing better

[umbral ice]

its hearing better for sure. ZED3 copied me and i responded, but i suspect taht it didn't get through. I suspect that it's probably less than 20% getting through from our end. Better than 0

[haughty moon]

What is your typical route to FPR?

I can usually hear FPR direct, so if you make it to FPR, theres a good chance we will hear you

[umbral ice]

yeah thats the exact problem

[reef ridge]

Glad it was worth it. 😁

[umbral ice]

Usually it is (or should be), Me -> AIDA -> ISR -> MHR -> FPR

And those are 100% all +SNR

well until MHR -> FPR

[reef ridge]

There's all sorts of issues that can be unrelated to SNR, I think we really need to setup a redundant link.

[umbral ice]

Agreed. FPR originally was a "OMG maybe?"

So that it works at all IMO is amazing lol

It was originally supposed to be Prom Point

[reef ridge]

I think an upgrade to a Rokland in the summer is definitely a worthy upgrade though!

[umbral ice]

100% I'm in love with my 8dbi low profile dipole

https://store.rokland.com/products/8-dbi-omni-outdoor-915mhz-fiberglass-antenna-for-lora-halow-application

Out of stock tho 🙁

[reef ridge]

Mount Ogden is looking like a very real possibility too, hopefully we'll get one up there soon.

[umbral ice]

I need to go back up to Cotterel and revisit that node. it's a 130 miles from new NPR and its a solid maybe (when it goes up)

Cotterel could theoretically end around MHR so it would be an entirely different route into ID

[reef ridge]

Cotterel as a link into Utah? Or as a redundant like from MHR?

[umbral ice]

wouldn't really be redundant, and it's a poor man's Black Pine Peak LOL

[umbral ice]

Cotterel can't see MHR because its on the wrong side of the mountain. It's only like 20 miles away though. It can see nothing in UT except a little piece of NPR where the tower is LOL

could be a literal dead spot void of any RF access. What are you using with what antenna?

oh well ok thats not a cheap rubber duck lol

have you trace routed anything out of your house? What did you usually go through?

[haughty moon]

so what do you mean by not getting out? messages?

[inner jay]

Traceroutes are spotty on the best hardware

I wouldn't rely on them too much

[haughty moon]

So you have two nodes? Are they the same model? Have you walked tried the location with both of them?

I have had a few cases were a flakey node was only able to transmit enough to get relayed out by one of my other nodes.

[reef ridge]

You can't communicate between the two nodes or is it just the problem where when you walk down the street you can't get any packets out?

[leaden crow]

What are they? hardware wise? antennas?
This could be a situation where you have a bad pigtail, bad connection or bad antenna. They will still work in very close proximity.

IMO the most likely suspect is the ipex connection or ipex pigtail. If you have a spare you can just try swapping it.
If you have a multimeter you can try testing the conductivity of the center conductor. Usually these RG178 pigtails are better than the ones most kits come with. Might be worth ordering some just to rule it out?
https://www.amazon.com/Coaxial-Pigtail-Antenna-Bulkhead-Extender/dp/B09329TYCS?crid=22KRJ85ZC33TQ&th=1

[haughty moon]

Or, you can turn only one device on and check them out one at time to see if one is perfoming worse than the other, to atleast see if its someting obvious

Im just trying to help people learn from my previous mistakes and frustrations lol

[leaden crow]

If you can bring them to the hackerspace next thurs evening. I will test all your cables and antennas with my nanovna.

[ember torrent]

Download the latest and greatest firmware. Then set your nodes as Client Base. Favorite these nodes. Let er rip.

[haughty moon]

Don’t worry about that. That’s throwing software at a likely hardware problem

Client base treats favorited nodes with priority

It’s a new experimental role and it’s ‘features’ are being tested and developed

Regular client is the correct role for 97% of nodes

[haughty moon]

Are you running your nodes as client base with routers favorited?

[umbral ice]

That forces you at act as a router for routers. I feel like that may have a negative impact on your area?

[haughty moon]

Yeah ipex sucks. They are small and cheap and unfortunately that’s great things for manufacturers

[umbral ice]

@real cedar when are we going for the Ground-to-Ground record? lmaoooo

[real cedar]

what is the current ground to ground and do we have two candidate 10k+ feet peaks

[haughty moon]

I got a yagi

[umbral ice]

current is 205 miles on long very slow

https://meshtastic.org/docs/overview/range-tests/

[ember torrent]

I wish. Too lazy and dont wanna risk freezing my node updating firmware.

[umbral ice]

when you calculate radio horizon, do you add the elevation of both ends? 10k+10k?

because 20k gets your radio horizon of 321km

[real cedar]

Yagis don't do much when the RF horizon is gone

[real cedar]

You need all the gis data for it. I don't think we have a candidate in our region but let me go looking

[haughty moon]

Deseret peak to something would be my bet

[haughty moon]

Still helps through all your power in the correct direction?

[umbral ice]

Assuming you can still see it, yeah

[real cedar]

If we wanted to.. Mount Peale, UT → Ibapah Peak, UT would be our best bet tbch. ~269.1 mi
Peale 12,726 ft (38.43847, −109.22919) · Ibapah 12,092 ft (39.828166, −113.919735)
RF-horizon sum ≈ 274.0 mi

[umbral ice]

So you're saying don't just beat it, crush it? LOL

[real cedar]

It's the see it more than power that helps at very slow

Very slow can talk below noise floor

[real cedar]

It is the only solution

I highly HIGHLY doubt if we pulled that off that anyone would try to beat it.

[umbral ice]

Wonder if it comes with a plaque

[real cedar]

The only other one around is Mount Nebo, UT → Uncompahgre Peak, CO at 281 miles but your on the absolute edge

[umbral ice]

summer goals? 😛

[real cedar]

also screw the yagi. Lets do it on 10 dBi omni.. turn difficulty to extra hardcore mode

[umbral ice]

build the antennas to make them as close to perfect as possible?

[real cedar]

we will see how I feel in the spring for now my favorite season and vacation time approaches

[keen glen]

I'm still confused as to how I'm getting packets from LAKE directly with my attic node, without being able to transmit back.
I'm assuming my transmissions are just too weak to be picked up by LAKE, despite using the 1W TX? Would a more directional antenna theoretically work to improve that?

Looking at the topography, I shouldn't be able to get anything from it at all

Is there a recommended more directional antenna I could test with?

[umbral ice]

@leaden crow just got one and I think @haughty moon said he has one too

[haughty moon]

Yeah I got a Rockland yagi

[haughty moon]

Where are you located and what hardware are you running?

[keen glen]

Eagle Mountain City Center (near the City Hall), Nebra Hat 1W with 5.8dbi antenna

[haughty moon]

Ah so Lake mtn is on the other side of the mtn. So you hearing it is some propagation magic

[umbral ice]

They're overpriced and 90% stolen designs.

I'd steer clear.

Yeah, a ton of their stuff is just ripped from 3d print makers

If you want turn key solutions, muzi works and rokland are probably where I'd go. If you want something fancy and hand made, there are TONS of makers on etsy with meshtastic builds

Unless you have a 3d printer and really wanna get into building 😄

I built this as my primarily used node: https://www.printables.com/model/787176-rugged-meshtastic-node-usb-power-bank

this is my pocket node
https://www.printables.com/model/1417561-magsafe-meshtastic-node

I love my battery bank node lmao. has saved my bacon on a hill when my phone died while tweaking the config ISR LOL

If it's going in your pocket, PLA is probably fine IMO

I mainly print ABS, but my first ones were all PLA

(also, if you need batteries ask here first, then if you can't get any hit up batteryhookup or 18650batterystore)

[haughty moon]

Yep, PLA is fine. PETG is not too much more difficult, it’s my most used filament

[keen glen]

Yeah,basically

[haughty moon]

What is the SNR and RSSI that your node hears lake?

[ember torrent]

Your N35 is a good start.

My opinion, Heltecs are good for adding sensors to, but ESP32 MCUs are battery hungry. Heltec’s T114 with a battery, case, GPS for ~$50 is a good bargin for an Nrf52 MCU. Rak, seed studio, lilygo make good turn key stuff. Figure out what you want with your V4 and go from there.

[inner jay]

Ugh 7ebc is spamming the channel

[haughty moon]

I saw this too. I think its a Detection Sensor Trigger

So if someone was playing with detection sensor, its working.

Interesting. So it seems like some of the modules don’t actually care if both nodes have it enabled. Sometimes it’s still bleeds through

[prisma saddle]

who is this?

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rainbow-gif-annoying-annoying-gif-17350998795980443368

[novel spruce]

I'm playing with different positions for a permanent mount, right now my node is on the ground and these are the only messages I'm getting. Is anyone seeing what that person thinks a test message looks like?

[inner jay]

They're running a detection sensor and it's sending the pings to the main chat

[novel spruce]

In that vein, is anyone using Lora for home automation and is there a reason other than the rule of cool for it over using a pi as an mqtt broker?

[reef ridge]

Seems like Zigbee would be a better tool for that job, unless your house is a mile wide.

[umbral ice]

I'm goign to use my basement as a root cellar. planning on putting a tbeam supreme down there for temp/humidity monitoring LOL

[reef ridge]

Of course I've seen LoRa used to open gates and stuff on large properties.

[haughty moon]

No problem. What do you mean spring antenna? Did you make one?

Well at least it works

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/we-wont-be-seeing-him-again-star-wars-jango-gif-19293508

[reef ridge]

Going up Desert Peak? What route are you taking? The most convenient way looks like it goes straight through the UTTR, which I definitely don't want to get caught doing. 😂

[novel spruce]

That's what I do, but use zigbee to mqtt for Home Assistant

[inner jay]

Zigbee is fun

[reef ridge]

I like it, but the craziest thing I do with it is turn off the lights when I'm already in bed.

[novel spruce]

Same, but it's better than having those devices open to Internet.

[inner jay]

Thats why mine are on their own subnet behind a sonicwall lol

Well, my controller and the non-zigbee IoT devices

[novel spruce]

I went with a vlan for them and then for even more paranoid measure created an air gap group they're all assigned to on my pihole

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

[obsidian storm]

Is the guy running "Meshtastic 7ebc" doing "🤖 test detected" in here? We're going to block your node if you don't stop

90+ messages in the general channel is too much

[novel spruce]

Maybe a good rule for the mesh is that only officers or router admins can configure bot/automated responses? At least in freq51 channel

[inner jay]

How would you enforce that?

[pseudo kestrel]

honor system followed by coordinated block so you don't get packets retransmitted?

[novel spruce]

Not really an enforcement thing, but since 7ebc wanted to get persnickety about where the rules were written. At least so users have more info on what is bad radio etiquette

[haughty moon]

Dont need rules if you have common sense

[novel spruce]

Wholeheartedly agree, unfortunately common sense ain't so common 🤣

[obsidian storm]

I don't think we need rules other than if you piss people off, the node owners might block/ignore you

[ember torrent]

We mean Ignore Node right? What does that even do?

Semi related, Does anyone else use the app to get to the documentation?

[inner jay]

https://meshtastic.org/docs/introduction/

Quick and easy

Also, cant seem to find anything on the ignore function in docs

[prisma saddle]

ya docs def lacking.

[inner jay]

First rule of development: documentation must be at least 5 builds behind

[obsidian storm]

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/pull/5319

[radiant wasp]

Curious how many here are switched to freq51, since i know thats the current venture project

[reef ridge]

Not a venture project here, pretty much everyone in this Discord is on Freq51. There's certainly still a lot on LF20 though.

[obsidian storm]

I have one device with 300+ nodes in the nodedb

[radiant wasp]

Thats good to know

Hopefully we properly connect our regions

[umbral ice]

Working on it!

[inner jay]

My meshsense got me excited. Route segments showed direct lines to the idaho nodes lol

[umbral ice]

For you folks with the T1000E: https://www.printables.com/model/1458211-stealthy-magsafe-case-for-seeed-sensecap-t1000-e

[prisma saddle]

very cool

[inner jay]

Another reason I shouldn't have a 3d printer. Just had a thought to make a housing that looks like boobs and call it NiceRAK

And yes, the nipples would be the enviro sensors

[reef ridge]

Embrace it, design it, upload it to #enclosures-discussion.

[ruby prism]

been noodling around with Meshtastic for about a year and just found Freq51.net. Kinda annoyed it has taken me this long. I am going to switch my nodes over tonight to MEDIUM_FAST

[prisma saddle]

Happy to have ya. what hardware do you have?

and where you located?

[ruby prism]

2 x heltec v3 (client_base (in an "attic"), and Client_Mute), and a senseCAP t1000 (getting delivered on Wednesday)

I am up in NSL.

[prisma saddle]

ah very cool so you should hit AUR and FPR routers.

[ruby prism]

Oh...FPR is Francis Peak! I didn't know that was the name of the golfballs 😛 😛

[prisma saddle]

😛

[ruby prism]

hrmmm. I have my base setup with WiFi and can connect to it from my VPN..... maybe I will just do it right now

[prisma saddle]

names to look out for?

[leaden crow]

I have a node at work near NSL city hall. ds nsl
It used to connect really well through NPR, but it's a little spotty right now. I think we will be in great shape if/when we get AUR 2.0 and/or NPR 2.0

[ruby prism]

BV01, 02, 03

just sent out an initial test.... lets see if that worked.

[leaden crow]

Got it

[ruby prism]

Sweeeeeet! Thanks.

is there a lot more activity on freq51 than there was on long_fast?

[prisma saddle]

yes, quite a bit. as it is actually being improved upon and expanded

[prisma saddle]

you should see some twin falls/etc on your list eventually

[ruby prism]

nice. I felt like I was screaming into the void a bit on the other, except when I was at SaintCon

[leaden crow]

https://meshview.freq51.net/chat
slcmesh:slcmesh

[ruby prism]

oh that's cool

hrm.... my NodeDB reset doesn't seem to be working. But that is a problem for after my meeting 😛

[ruby prism]

@leaden crow is this the MQTT server talked about here for Client configuration? https://freq51.net/config

or is there a different MQTT that we should be using

[leaden crow]

You really don't need and probably shouldn't be using MQTT uplink and downlink. But I would make sure you have this set:
lora.config_ok_to_mqtt TRUE

We have enough nodes already feeding meshview. It pretty much catches everything.

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[ruby prism]

I am asking dumb questions in Freq51. 🙂 this would probably be faster, but asking in the environment I am trying to learn is more fun 😄

heading home for the day, cheers!