US - Utah

[haughty moon]

yeah stansbury island is too exposed so im on the fence

it would help with RA on the Stansbury Mtns tho

at least until NPR is bueno

@slate urchin If you can get your node up on one of those peaks that Bash drew up and set it as a Client, it will get your area going and will suppliment Flat Top once I get to it.

[slate urchin]

@haughty moon you are putting yours here ?

[haughty moon]

I think east a peak

[slate urchin]

Router and repeater the same thing?

[prisma saddle]

take a look at this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htjwtnjQkkE https://freq51.net/config

[obsidian storm]

No. Never do repeater

[inner jay]

They should really remove it tbh

[obsidian storm]

No, it has a place

It's just very very uncommon where the right place is

[inner jay]

Whats the use case for it? Passive range extender?

[obsidian storm]

Technically you can quiet the network with it

Since it does no nodeinfo or telemetry or anything

But the problem is is that it makes it hard to diagnose what's going on with your traffic and find issues

So if I was building a personal mesh, I might find a use for it

But a public mesh, we don't really like them

[inner jay]

Hmm, yeah I can see how that could be useful

[formal jackal]

Cool! Let me know what kind of RSSI you get from me. I upgraded to a real antenna from the 2” stub yesterday

[real cedar]

You can get to the other side of the valley with alien tower as well. I'd consider seeing alien tower and then lake mountain. If you can see both great but alien tower is reliable

[real cedar]

Why not Lowe?

There's a shack and tower there

Rather than flat top

[prisma saddle]

Do we know who owns Meshtastic d414 -

getting spammed.. in freq51 so weird no one else sees it

[haughty moon]

Do you have a contact fo the shack/tower?

[real cedar]

It's abandoned

[haughty moon]

Lowe

Flat top

Stansbury MTN North

Flat top has more consistent coverage to the south

[haughty moon]

I could be swayed either way

[real cedar]

I guess go flat top but you got nothing to make it blend and stop a hippie from going turbo agro autist and removing it

[real cedar]

That's not stansbury 🤣

Not the one we are referring to

We are talking about the island

https://maps.app.goo.gl/HVFJiRKGwadGCViCA

That's where I'd put the toele router late

[haughty moon]

Yeah, I am planning on putting one there

[prisma saddle]

what parts and so are you waiting on?

[inner jay]

I'll check when I get back home. Roof node sees it best

[haughty moon]

But then I saw the mtn range and starting playing around with locations on it lol

[haughty moon]

Most of the parts came in last night. I just need to print a mounting bracket now

[leaden crow]

Have you read the Summit Post comments on Flat top mountain? Some old family owns all the land for access routes and actively look for trespassers. Don't get deliveranced.

[prisma saddle]

wonder if we can get in contact.. talk about what its for.. dunno

[haughty moon]

no I did not....hmmm

[leaden crow]

Honestly that shack on Lowe I think has the most promise. Even if it is not 100% ideal location, I don't think anybody would bother the node there, and you have an existing tower..

[haughty moon]

yeah, i dont wanna meet these guys lmao

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/banjo-deliverance-sad-guitar-gif-14638613

[real cedar]

Then you will need to sneak from Kessler and Butterfield over

There's an art to being invisible on land but you have to really know what your doing or have a dad who was spec ops that taught you. A lot of it is blending with existing vegetation and not moving particularly quickly. It's how I get across private lands unnoticed

😂

[leaden crow]

https://tenor.com/view/hiding-mission-impossible---rogue-nation-grass-camouflage-blending-in-with-the-environment-ghillie-suit-gif-5497002861048519499

[real cedar]

A ghillie works but only if colored correctly lol. You need the surplus used in Afghanistan for most of our mtns or you need the old European ones from the 60s and 70s if in our wooded areas

But keep in mind once you stand up the ghillie is obvious so being on your knees is a necessity. Can take a while to go a couple miles

[haughty moon]

Who has OnX? Is it really as bad as it sounds?

[keen glen]

I have it. Haven't used it a ton, but it seems fine, and it's worked the handful of times I needed it.

The weather predictions have been spot-on as well.

[haughty moon]

Should have been more specific. How bad does Flat top look

[keen glen]

There was someone on All trails that took this route up

[haughty moon]

Thanks! So is uncolored assumed to be private?

[haughty moon]

That little notch of blm to the east is where I was thinking…

[keen glen]

Correct

[leaden crow]

Interesting, so the summit of Flat Top is private land? Seems like the Summit Post comments indicated it was not.

If it is private, I would try to get permission from that land owner. If they have bad cell service in there, they might actually be enthusiastic about it.

[haughty moon]

That’s one way to but I’m thinking of the peak a mile east, which looks to be blm. It has a better view of the valley anyway

Scroll up and see the heywhatsthat

[keen glen]

I'd appreciate the coverage from anything set up over there on the range. Even with my attic Nebra with a 5.8db antenna, most of the received messages since the move to MF are 6-7 hops, and I haven't been able to have a successful ACK on transmit yet. I believe solar:3 in eureka is either still on LongFast, or the MediumFast range limits dropped that node out of reach for me.

[haughty moon]

Yeah. I’m seeing all of the devices better in my nodes list and messages seem better, but for some reason trace routes are not going through

[inner jay]

TR seems to be a common issue

[haughty moon]

I wonder why though

[inner jay]

Maybe they need more time than MF allows?

[leaden crow]

The common thing I see with unamplified nodes is that they are weak on TX. I've seen a whole bunch that would receive all the messages on the mesh that got repeated by a 1 watt node or router, but never or rarely get messages out. Take away 5dB of link budget and that is going to get worse. Traceroutes rely on every hop having both good TX and RX. Its entirely possible you can hop from A->B->C->D, but not the reverse.

[prisma saddle]

so we need more 1w clients around town?

to pick up the slack?

[leaden crow]

That would definitely help. Going from 24dB > 30dB bascially just makes up for the 5dB link budget we just lost.

I upgraded my home roof node from RAK to E22 1-watt over a year ago. With the RAK and a 40" Rokland it was pretty spotty, with the E22 it was completely useable. The theory is that our mesh has grown a ton since, and I think it is on the cusp of supporting MF. It just doesn't scale linearly, and nodes that were kind of borderline functioning before suffer the most.

[haughty moon]

Yeah I get what you are saying. But even 0 and 1 hop tr I can rarely get. Even to routers

[leaden crow]

The next most common explanation then would be SNR or collisions.
Hopefully we have way less collisions on MF. What does your RSSI and SNR look like on the traceroutes that succeed?

[prisma saddle]

hopefully will be bringing up another 1w client higher up in herriman that has direct LOS to potm tomorrow. changing MIL frrom a rak to nebra

so i think herriman / riverton / bluffdale will be good between mine and @obsidian storm nebra's

[haughty moon]

The ones that actually go through are pretty good. I think it’s the rebroadcasting algorithm that is messing it up

[prisma saddle]

and even more if/when he gets flag hill or w/e its called up in herriman

[leaden crow]

I wish I had a better explanation. Where I'm at, I have some inconsistent SNR problems. Sometimes my SNR is lower and my tracroutes are much more successful than at other times. Maybe it's some intermittent local interference source? Whatever the case, traceroutes were significantly more reliable for me on LF and MS.

[prisma saddle]

you ran a SDR or have one to see what could be happening? i think i going to get one to mess with. wonder if you are having the same stuff bash was cause of the airplanes? or did we already see that was the cause for you too?

[haughty moon]

I’m on the flight path, but I don’t think I’m affected… I have a 1 watt node

[real cedar]

@leaden crow @obsidian storm if your at the space tonight could you bring a very compact 2.4 GHz antenna. Sma not rp sma or the built in rak PCB antennas. Mines missing

[real cedar]

What helps more is node density since it's a mesh. More clients regardless of power. Higher up and more evenly spread

Hence why I'm prepping the city micro node design

So I can put a lot of xiaos up

[leaden crow]

I'll see what I have before I leave tonight. I probably have some 2.4 GHz wifi antennas, but aren't those usually rp?

[real cedar]

If you have something that can ipex to it that's all I need

Otherwise I can't really turn on the node without destroying the Bluetooth and it doesn't have USB C so my only way to do anything with it is BT OTA

I'm actually at the space early. So I'll scavenge but I doubt we have anything here

[leaden crow]

ok. if I've got it, I'll bring one.

[real cedar]

Thanks!

[void iris]

I know that somebody here was shucking battery packs for 18650s, does anybody here have a handful of 18500s that they are willing to part with?

[reef ridge]

They don't tell you this, but those scooters everywhere are full of 18650s. 😋

[void iris]

lol, slightly too long. I could take a chopsaw and cut the extra 15mm off

[leaden crow]

@fiery sparrow you still have batteries?

[leaden crow]

#1197577977781821541 message

[reef ridge]

They're potting the whole battery now? No, what a waste!

[reef ridge]

Just got D801s call in the BBS channel, y'all setting it up right now?

[obsidian storm]

I'm not at home and won't be by to stop and grab one

[real cedar]

If I ever make a dual radio meshtastic node with a single antenna and RF switch.. it's getting the short name 2GOC - 2 Girls 1 Cup

I'll see myself out

🤣

[real cedar]

I do if you can meet me at the hackerspace

[leaden crow]

Sorry, I don't think I have anything. I was going to pull one of the antennas off my old WRT54GLs, but I guess I gave those away or tossed them at some point. I tested the bin of shit rubber duckies I have and none of them are 2.4 GHz.

[prisma saddle]

i looked at mine and every antenna i have is rp sma. and i used the only adapter i have for my g2.

[pseudo kestrel]

I don't know what standard this one is, but it came off a wifi router. I can bring it by later

[prisma saddle]

ah ya that’s rp sma.

[pseudo kestrel]

💔

[real cedar]

Shiiit

Oh well

Really wish the rak4631s had an integrated chip antenna

Unless they do and I don't know

[leaden crow]

I have an ipex to rp-sma pigtail. It's awkwardly long (like 16") but I'll bring it.

[real cedar]

@leaden crow can you bring your vna?

[real cedar]

That works fine

[leaden crow]

Yes

[fiery sparrow]

Yes

@leaden crow how many you looking for?

[leaden crow]

@void iris

[real cedar]

@leaden crow cool.. and yeah bring the pigtail

[distant marsh]

Cool project. When I pulled up the source I noticed the user name "Qvist" (meaning branch) was fitting for a networking project. 🙂

[ember torrent]

I didnt keep up with the long term need, but i got a spare bluetooth sma antenna i’ll trade for those batteries.

https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Security-Recorder-Surveillance-Reversing/dp/B09J8Q6TRN/ref=mp_s_a_1_15?crid=18LMIAADYEDA2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.o04VvtESeV3rQL5rvATgUEU6kTJJRrw66ovab27hNbklHdZPcuqZLOiIbznsYauckDar4nIe326kw8LbvmnlnLAT8GNW804JTbKfhIKvDZDAGLJM19GrLuIE4hN05kk-f0ebBOihWa7guQplUub155kDbrYXrNFfGncudgzLO5_m8rF5mM1QmFVbD_bDA25tPg4qI0r3j59i4KOrPzl0cg.vSSJLwLtHkQh9skMsJLJJkYWYispjx9p5c3gK3xuG-g&dib_tag=se&keywords=bluetooth+antenna+sma&qid=1760063069&sprefix=bkuetooth+antenna+sma%2Caps%2C215&sr=8-15

[fiery sparrow]

how many batteries you need?

[inner jay]

Ugh this firmware debugging is giving me a headache

[prisma saddle]

@reef ridge weird it’s back.

[reef ridge]

Were you not able to contact it either? I thought it might have been a local noise problem for me.

[prisma saddle]

nope not at all when we talked last i. sent 3-4 at it. and nothing. so dunno.

@wet galleon you figure out lptop ?

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/maurice-moss-unexpected-reboot-it-crowd-reboot-richard-ayoade-gif-11294807

[full thorn]

I don't understand this logic (but want to understand) Aren't repeaters useful for extending the range for encrypted channels?

[inner jay]

Yes, but the problem is they don't show on the node list so it's not useful when youre trying to troubleshoot things

[obsidian storm]

So this is a mesh system. Every single device of every single type extends the range. It all depends on how and when it sends the messages. Different types send during different times. And controlling that will make a big difference. 99% of time a client is the perfect tool for extending range

The big difference between router and repeater is that repeaters are hidden and don't broadcast that they exist

So are repeater is basically a router, just no one knows that it's there.

It makes it hard to troubleshoot when we are having problems. And it makes it so it won't show up in Trace routes

[full thorn]

From what I understand (again, I'm new here) is that routers won't relay encrypted channels unless they can decrypt them.

[obsidian storm]

Nope. Routers will relay everything

Every device type will relay every message, even if it can't decrypt it

Unless you specifically choose to not do that. But the defaults don't do that

Here's a screenshot from the mesh app

This is client..

The rebroadcast mode is what will change what type of message is it sends out

https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/device/#rebroadcast-mode

This page here explains what each of the modes are and what they will broadcast

I've linked directly to the section that talks about rebroadcast mode

[full thorn]

Thank you for clarifying that. What is the use case for a repeater node?

[obsidian storm]

In our public mesh, I can't find a valid use case for it. I don't think anyone else has either. That's why we have flagged as a do not use mode

Realistically, we primarily use three modes. Router, router late, and client. (And we have created a specific designation called strategic client, which is a client in a really good spot)

We need to be careful with how many routers we put up or we will overwhelm the channel utilization

If we overwhelm the channel utilization, our messages stopped going out and things start failing.

The way we have designed it, anything over 6,000 ft above sea level is likely a router, anything above 100 m from ground level, is probably a router late, everything else is probably a client

There is a new one that is really nice, called client base

That one works really well for roof nodes

It's in the new alpha, so we haven't quite documented it yet

[full thorn]

I was reading up on client_base. That one will be useful to me, but I'm waiting for a non-alpha release with it.

[obsidian storm]

So the real use that I think we can find for repeater is extremely solar constrained devices.

If you just absolutely do not get any sun at all for 2 months at a time, maybe it would make sense for repeater since it limits the amount of traffic it sends out, no nodeinfo or anything

The other thing is for stealth infrastructure. Infrastructure that you're trying to hide from the general public and not let anyone know exists.

But that also means that it makes it really hard for us to troubleshoot issues if it arrives on the mesh. And right now meshtastic is pretty fragile and even the slightest bit of mis configuration seems to break things

[full thorn]

I didn't realize it was that fragile.

[obsidian storm]

Yes. That's why frequency slot 20 has so many issues and why we have switched away.

We're trying to be very very careful about our settings so that we can actually get a very usable long distance mesh

It's not super fragile on the small scale, but when you get hundreds of nodes over long distances, that's where it really breaks

[full thorn]

What are the longer-term plans for the coverage area for Freq51? Stick to the lower valleys or expand into the mountain valleys/out to the desert?

[obsidian storm]

Yes! We just finished a link all the way to twin falls from Provo

Four hops and you can get to idaho!

[full thorn]

That's crazy!

[void iris]

Like 10 ideally if you have them, I can buy them off of you

[obsidian storm]

Right now we're trying to link up Tooele, and then hopefully connect Logan

You can see the current infrastructure at https://meshview.freq51.net

Username and password is slcmesh

[full thorn]

To expand south, it looks like we might need a node up on Mt Nebo 😁

[fiery sparrow]

You can have a bundle of 13. Where can I drop them off?

[obsidian storm]

that would be cool!

[full thorn]

I need to pop into DC801 sometime to chat with people about Freq51. I've been meaning to visit for years but never made the time.

[fiery sparrow]

If you can get Nebo, Levan would be next... There's a ham repeater there... hope it would not be hard to convince those running that to allow another box.

[full thorn]

Yeah, I was looking and I can't find any ham equipment on Nebo. The peak looks like a lot of small loose rock. Not sure how easy it would be to discreetly place a node up there that wouldn't shift around.

[void iris]

@fiery sparrow I DMd you

[real cedar]

Is your battery pack surviving the cold temps?

The cheap controller idk. Maybe run v5.2 up there with an 8 dB antenna and make it good for the winter

🤣

[reef ridge]

No, it's perfectly fine. FPR just hasn't been RXing very well. I mean, it wasn't that great when we first ran the tests when I put it up, but the past three days I haven't been able to talk to it with my handheld from Ogden.

[real cedar]

I wonder if a higher gain antenna is needed. Does it have a filter? I forget

[reef ridge]

No filter, but when I do manage to ping it it tells me my SNR is really high.

RSSI is still good.

Next time I make a router it's definitely getting a filter.

[real cedar]

You still have time before the snow to go up there one last time but you'd have to be quick about it

[reef ridge]

How's Acasom's shipping time?

[umbral ice]

That could explain some struggles up here. When I message FPR for bbs stuff I never get an ack from it. We hear everything from you guys, but (based on meshview) you hear little if anything from us. I'm planning on going to MHR tomorrow to install a G2 because I've developed trust issues with the femto in MHR what with it's lack of BBS functionality.

Also, It's not BPP, but I'm going to drop an experimental 1w rak up on Cotterel HP in a trail cam at least until BPP can be done. I should be able to get both of those done

137 miles to potential NPR? ehhh maybe? I don't know what the lake will do to that signal

[obsidian storm]

I have a filter

that's better than the acasom

but it's not waterproof.

you have space in the enclosure for the filter still, right?

it's pretty small.

[reef ridge]

A filter that can handle 30db? Yeah, there's plenty of room in the enclosure.

[obsidian storm]

Yes. It can handle the 1w nodes.

it's one of those baymesh3 filters

[reef ridge]

Ah, right!

[obsidian storm]

#1393416763797934120 message

I bought 4 thinking it would be nice to have a few extra on hand

[reef ridge]

I put together most of another assembly already, just shelved it because it snowed last weekend.

[obsidian storm]

you already asked for one though 😄

so you've got a baymesh assigned to you

[reef ridge]

Yeah, you didn't ping me when they arrived so I thought you might have forgotten mine. 😅

[obsidian storm]

come pick it up 🙂

with that filter, it'll make FPR one of the best kit-ed nodes we have

even NPR2.0 won't have a baymesh filter, just a murata

[reef ridge]

Bet I could get up by Sunday if it doesn't snow again, plus upgrades.

Crap, need a few more batteries though.

[obsidian storm]

what batteries do you need?

I still have some 18650s left and can build you a battery pack

they're not "cold weather" batteries, but they're free 😄

[reef ridge]

18650s, I could pull them out of current FPR but the holders kinda suck and it absolutely shreds the wrapper when you pull them out.

They're not cold weather cells already, but everyone said it's not that big of a deal anyway. 🤷‍♂️

[obsidian storm]

Ok. Just tell me how many you want and I'll build you a pack

do you have a specific BMS you want or is a cheaper one OK?

[reef ridge]

Oh, do you have a welder? That'd be great, the holders take up a bunch of space too. a 3s3p is what's in there now.

[obsidian storm]

yeah, I have a spot welder for batteries.

so does @leaden crow

[reef ridge]

Cheap is fine, the one that's in there already is also an Amazon special. 😂

[obsidian storm]

this is what I'll use

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08MPXHFJB

[reef ridge]

Oh, a 1s BMS? I hadn't seen those. https://a.co/d/gNRRZzT these are the ones I used.

[obsidian storm]

if you have extras, you can put that 3s bms on

I'll just not put a bms on it.

[reef ridge]

Yes, that'd be good.

Upgrade time came fast for FPR. 😄

[obsidian storm]

This is what I'll deliver to you:
https://www.printables.com/model/534834-3s-3p-lipo-battery-bms-holder-18650-battery-3s3p

though the BMS they have is rounded. If you give me dimensions, I'll make it fit for your bms shape

[reef ridge]

Sounds great! I'll get those to you as soon as I get home, thanks.

[ember torrent]

Probably worth while to put this Rebroadcast convo on the website. That and it has to be MediumFast51, for now, or it wont hear it.

[obsidian storm]

It'll hear it, it'll transit/send the messages, just can't decode.

[leaden crow]

Did anybody get test messages from WC1 and WC2? Would have been ~2 hours ago.

[prisma saddle]

nope. i didnt get any.

[real cedar]

I basically gave up. I had to give them my FedEx account number and everything and when I did so they basically didn't ship it so I asked for a refund.

Worse yet I've yet to receive the refund

If I don't receive it in the next month I'm just going to document it with my bank and have them pursue it

I would get the filters that bash has

Buy it from a local hobbyist is probably better anyways

[reef ridge]

Ouch, yeah. The only appeal of the Acasom is ease of access but if it doesn't even have that there's no point.

[real cedar]

Well it ships from China. And there's a lot of issues with that now

At least for the smaller retailers

[reef ridge]

I'm surprised they don't have an agreement with a bigger supplier like Digikey or something.

[haughty moon]

put me down for 3 on the next group buy of that guys nice filters

[leaden crow]

I actually got a traceroute back from AUR on WC2, but I don't think they'll be very useful on MF yet.

[real cedar]

WAIT

HOOWWWW

[leaden crow]

WC2 has LoS to AUR.
I got them switched today. WC2 also got a Murata filter, but I wasn't about to climb WC1 tree, wet with slippery bike shoes.

This is the narrow window to the valley that WC1 sees at 10,006'

[real cedar]

That's fucking glorious

I am going to put a much higher gain antenna and maybe that will help. It's just when I have time to go hike up there

It seems Rufio and I's desire to have a direct link to one another... Has unintentionally created another useful link

[leaden crow]

I think NPR 2.0 will make them better, but won't know until it's up.

[ember torrent]

I was trying to say it cant be on longfast20 or any other frequency slot or preset.

[obsidian storm]

I see. That makes sense.

[real cedar]

You know. Please nobody bridge longfast on any channel with a faster mode at all

Commit to a mode and have another node on another mode if you want to talk to the other slot or mode

[haughty moon]

Where did this worry come from? Is there a background story?

[obsidian storm]

I thought you might find this interesting:
https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/pull/8144

[leaden crow]

Nice, can't be gone fast enough

[leaden crow]

https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1022978320423452712

[leaden crow]

Apparently I took the wrong trail today. I rode down Mill-D (BCC). This was the Millcreek side. They lit all the burn piles and I guess don't close the trail for that.

[inner jay]

Just keeping the riders warm

[real cedar]

Luna will be my new mobile RA device. and it's a beautiful little node

[haughty moon]

Whats the other plug? Power?\

[real cedar]

I am working on a USB data and reset switch (toggleable via USB) but that's a later goal

[haughty moon]

Ah nice

[real cedar]

It has a real time gps, real time clock and an Alfa 5 dB whip onboard.

[haughty moon]

whats it called or whats the baseboard?

[real cedar]

Currently a rak4630 but I want to move to an esp for the advantages of store n forward

Onboard is also an adafruit bq25185 true mppt with 2x21700s@5000mah rach

[real cedar]

Umbriel Keys Reset. Please delete the node and rediscover it

[inner jay]

I'll trade you an umbriel key for a hera one lol

I don't think it's key has fully cleared the system

[obsidian storm]

OK! The Nebra Hat kits came in! Let me know if you want one. $25.

[leaden crow]

You'll bring them to the hackerspace next week?

[obsidian storm]

Yes.

[real cedar]

Basically once these get here. This pigtail will get wired. USB VDC (RED), COM (BLACK), USB D+ (YELLOW), USB D- (GREEN), MOMENTARY SWITCH (WHITE, BLACK). This will give me the ability to flash the device with a nice pig tail and reset it without needing to open it

[leaden crow]

Whats the monetary switch for?

[haughty moon]

sweet. nice maintenance cable

[real cedar]

Reset

I don't want to open the box to hit the reset button haha

[leaden crow]

I was going to say, I just pull the power, but that makes way more sense for a battery powered node you don't want to open.

[umbral ice]

I'm not seeing it, @reef ridge what is FPR's chutil?

MHR has been 30-35% since I put it up

[reef ridge]

What do you mean, you're not seeing FPR?

[umbral ice]

I see it

but I'm nto getting metrics over

so i can't see chtuil

telemetry stuff

just curious how it matches MHR

[reef ridge]

Hmm, I'm not seeing it either. I thought it was enabled. I'd have to drive over to check it out.

Might be hard because it's completely engulfed by a cloud right now. 🌧️

[real cedar]

A very lightning happy cloud

😆

It's been constant thunder down here

[umbral ice]

no worries. 😄 we just need more links through. here's hoping Cotteral can stand in for BPP until we can get that up

[real cedar]

Is it on the high point?

Cuz that's what I clicked on cuz I assumed like your GPS was off by a bit

😆

[umbral ice]

Yeah it is. Though, I didn't like the post so I'm gonna go back up one more time and spruce it up a bit haha

[real cedar]

Excellent!. Yeah, it's pretty rough weather here right now but it should see NPR when NPR goes up

I swear to God. I hope they don't delay again

[umbral ice]

Once Kimama is up, we'll end around Harrison LMAO

[real cedar]

What was the news on that

[umbral ice]

We got permission from Verizon, but they don't own the building

[real cedar]

Oh okay so they didn't communicate that over?

[umbral ice]

The guy who owned it hates meshtastic (same guy who said harrison wasn't a good spot)

I guess not, but my verizon guy said that they never communicate what they put on and he was FURIOUS that hte guy removed equipment

[real cedar]

Why would you have such a vendetta against an open source project. Some people's children. I guess he's going to learn his lesson

[umbral ice]

"It doesn't do anything AX.25 does"

[real cedar]

Oh my God, he's one of those types

[umbral ice]

The worst kind of RF guy LOL

So, since he's the lease holder for building, we're just gonna not kick the hornets next with him and just move the node back to trail cam status and off and to the side a bit I think

[real cedar]

You know there are days and hams... Please don't get mad at me. But there are days that has an RF engineer. I wish I could can the entire ham spectrum. Mostly because of that kind of attitude. I wish the ham community would self-police more. Because it's exactly why young people don't really want to get involved. This is legitimate feedback. This is not me trying to have some beef 😂

[umbral ice]

Oh I agree 100%

Meshtastic was my gateway drug into RF

[real cedar]

I have done a hundred times cooler shit than you could ever fucking dream of doing and I don't go around hurting lesser radio projects or talking them down. I encourage them 😂🤣

[real cedar]

Exactly it's a learning experience. It gets people into the whole thing

It makes it accessible

[umbral ice]

Like, if it weren't for meshtastic I wouldn't have gotten into RF at all

Exactly

When people are like "So could I talk to you from across the country with this?"

Nope, but if you got a ham license you absolutely could! I'll help you study

i've learned more about antennas and RF physics with Meshtastic that I ever have with ham so far

[reef ridge]

You ask a ham an RF related question half the time they'll tell you you should know it already because you passed the test. 🙄

[umbral ice]

100% LOL

or they'll point you to the ARRL antenna book

[real cedar]

Yeah it's the holier than thou attitude. The thing is like when someone asks me an RF question as an engineer in the field... I'm excited to answer it. I'll break the whole thing down for you. I don't care if you asked three or four times. I don't care if you passed a test or not. Like if you don't get it then you need help and clarification

[umbral ice]

I'm not a book learner. Give me simple instructions and let me try and then troubleshoot my way through and THATS how I learn

[real cedar]

And that's why I'm a big fan of Hands-On learning.

At work I always say it the best way to learn is get in there and get your hands dirty

[umbral ice]

Yeah. When I'm training folks at work, I'll show them or have them drive while I explain. Then I just let them work through it. When folks are hesitant, I always tell em to just send it. Worst case scenario we have backups LMAO

[ivory canyon]

Some hams are pretty okay! 😊

[umbral ice]

Elmers are great

Sad hams are not 😄

[real cedar]

Oh yeah that's why I said don't get mad at me. This is just feedback 🤣

More or less I'm of the position that may be a little bit more self-policing of the sad hams is needed. I tried to get involved in Idaho once when I was in college but I think that really soured my time and experience

Funny enough and now I find myself needing and wanting to take the test

[stone shell]

I just passed the ham test but am really turned off by the whole scene tbh. Not that I can even transmit until the government reopens...
Meshtastic is a much more enjoyable avenue into RF for me so far

[real cedar]

See I've had this. Thought that I will go find all of the cool hams and maybe just maybe try to bridge the communities through them. And a lot more people will want to get involved

I just know that I'm going to cause issues if I try to do that 😂😂😂

[umbral ice]

Intermountain Ham Club? 😄 lolol

"No sad hams allowed"

[reef ridge]

Of course, it's just one of those cases of some bad apple spoiling the bunch. And the bad apples I encounter always seem to be really rotten. The first time I hopped on a repeater the admin absolutely tore into me for some breach of etiquette or another. 😂

To be fair the HF scene seems to be a bit more laid back, more incentive to go Extra I guess.

[umbral ice]

Nah, the incentive to go extra is to get an .25 mhz in the 20 and 40 meter bands LMAO

Nothing chaps me more than hearing a ragchew that I'm curious about just outside of where I'm allowed to play

[real cedar]

ROFL 😭

[ivory canyon]

I've had a ton of fun with amateur radio over the years. But yeah, there are some douche bags in the hobby, unfortunately! We just avoid them and find fun where there is some...

[real cedar]

Yeah, I guess that's really something that's probably common amongst all hobbies

[umbral ice]

Is there a Q signal for douche bag lets move?

[real cedar]

And a good mentality to have

[umbral ice]

LMAO

[real cedar]

Damn malice is salty tonight

[umbral ice]

haha

[real cedar]

🤣

[umbral ice]

that guy irritates me so bad

I'll forget about him eventually

He's not worth the space in my head

[ivory canyon]

He he, yeah...don't waste your energy being mad. Its not worth it. Those guys end up alienating themselves to the point that nobody wants anything to do with them anyway, so they have their reward!

Most hams, although nerdy and often a little stinky, are pretty nice and willing to help.

[umbral ice]

There have definitely been some good hams up here.

At least 3 that I could call any time with a question

[ivory canyon]

👍

[umbral ice]

I do wish the average age of the ham club wasn't like 70 up here tho lol

Can't do neat fox hunts.

I wanna triangulate something with anotehr team out in the hills and canyons

Not in a parking lot on the other side of town 😛

[ivory canyon]

I went to the Davis County club meeting this morning and I saw a handful of young hams. But yeah, it seems to be an old man's hobby!

[real cedar]

@reef ridge

[reef ridge]

10 bucks on survival. 😂

[real cedar]

Rofl

Hopefully

[ivory canyon]

I guess that makes me old! 😁

[reef ridge]

It survived that insane lightning storm the other night, this should be a walk in the cloud.

[umbral ice]

You're actively using discord. you're younger than you think 😛

[umbral ice]

Did you knock on wood while you said that?

Keep the dang fairies from getting any ideas

[reef ridge]

Newer digital modes seem to be generating interest. The first time I checked out a ham meeting the youngest guy there was 3 decades my senior. Last time there were a few guys around my age. Things are looking up.

[reef ridge]

Let me go find a pallet real quick. 😂

And we better hope lightning works on stage rules, considering how often @real cedar bets against it.

[real cedar]

Hopefully I mean I guess me and Zeus have a better relationship than fpr and Zeus

[reef ridge]

Break a leg!/Get struck by lightning!

Maybe the Mesh gods just didn't like Batman. 🤣

[ivory canyon]

Looks like I won't be doing the antenna project I was hoping to do this weekend.

[reef ridge]

Weather's pretty smelly right now, yeah. I keep meaning to move my roof node to the top of the ridge but it's been raining every weekend.

[ivory canyon]

Maybe if the GPS module comes tomorrow, I can get the motorcycle node upgraded with GPS.

[stone shell]

I'm somehow getting more pings with nodes than I was before the storm lol

[reef ridge]

RF, uh, finds a way.

[ember torrent]

Fpr is winning me in hangman. No worries.

[reef ridge]

FPR eats lightning for breakfast. 😎

[prisma saddle]

FPR doesn’t get struck by lightning — lightning tries to high-five him and regrets it.
2. ⚡ When FPR blinks, thunder apologizes for being late.
3. ⚡ Lightning doesn’t strike twice — unless FPR tells it to practice.
4. ⚡ FPR once chased a storm. Now the clouds check the forecast before they move.
5. ⚡ When FPR charges his phone, he just holds the cable and waits for lightning to show up.
6. ⚡ FPR doesn’t fear lightning. Lightning fears being compared to him.
7. ⚡ Scientists study lightning to understand electricity. Lightning studies FPR to understand power.

[manic fractal]

A lá Chuck Norris jokes? Great stuff.

[prisma saddle]

haha ya.

[solemn sedge]

I’ve found HF digital modes to be a blast. You can even play chess over the air now. The digital hams I’ve met seem pretty cheery

[solemn sedge]

Does 39 make me a young ham? 😆

[umbral ice]

I sure hope so! lmao

[reef ridge]

Unironically yes. 🤣

[solemn sedge]

Ha! I’ll take it

[umbral ice]

I found mag!

[reef ridge]

Lol, tell me I'm wrong.

[obsidian storm]

Do you do anything with dmr?

[obsidian storm]

Or you?

I can't for the life of me figure out how to listen to DMR

I can't get a DMR ID because the stupid government is down

[reef ridge]

@obsidian storm I've played a lot with DMR. I'm assuming you're trying to talk on the brandmeister network, which uses a DMR ID that has nothing to do with the government beyond RadioID wanting proof of a call sign to give you one.

And if you're just trying to get one DMR radio to talk to another DMR radio you can use anything for an ID.

If you're just trying to listen to the local DMR repeater you don't need any ID at all, you can set your monitor mode to promiscuous and you'll hear every transmission.

[obsidian storm]

This is what I want to do

Monitor mode

[reef ridge]

The specifics of how you do that depends on the radio you have. Some of them need the CPS to enable it because DMR radios are intended to be configured by a tech and locked down to be handed out.

[solemn sedge]

This is great. I will not calculate my age in “ham years” to always feel younger

[reef ridge]

Ham years are half a regular year. Welcome back to your 20s. 😂

[stone shell]

I guess I'm an infant then lmao

[solemn sedge]

😆😆

[obsidian storm]

I need CPS

[reef ridge]

You have a DM32-UV, right?

[obsidian storm]

I have the software installed and I have the cable

Yes. That's it

[reef ridge]

I have the same one. I can help you with the details when I get home in an hour if you'd like.

The CPS is particularly buggy for this radio so you have to be careful with it. 🙄

[obsidian storm]

Yes please!

[real cedar]

@reef ridge @umbral ice switching to a G2 at mhr helped a lot. I hope you said it to rebroadcast all when you set it to router. In any case, I'm actually seeing all of your node data.

Part of me thinks that maybe FPR shouldn't be the BBS node and should just be a G2 itself

[umbral ice]

I can't get through at all

Ch util is 40% almost all the time

[real cedar]

Well I'm getting everything that is coming across. I see seven nodes in Idaho

Do you have it set to ignore mqtt? Maybe it's on your end

Our channel utilization is not nearly as high

Yeah I just pulled FPR's channel utilization and it's at 6.7%

[umbral ice]

hmm

[real cedar]

That must be a your side issue. Could you pull the remote config for mhr

[umbral ice]

something is screwy on our side then probably

[real cedar]

What all did you set

My guess was mqtt because fpr doesn't have it on and neither does Jupiter or aur

And they're all low

[umbral ice]

it should be ingore and OK

I'll have to get Sid to double check it

[real cedar]

Yeah if anything, I don't really want to relay mqtt between the two large links. If people want to mqtt up link they can do it but no downlink. Bash has asked that that gets banned just because it's not something that he thinks is very healthy for the network

If it's not that I'll be legitimately curious to see what's going on

It could be that mhr is populating all of its node data right now for its node database

But 40% seems really high for medium fast.

[umbral ice]

that being said, I think you could be right that its on our side

because when before I couldn't get to FPR but I COULD get to MHR

now i can't get to MHR lol

i wanna know what its sending so much

[real cedar]

I mean I just saw a second star labs

Yeah something's hitting it way too hard. There's only a few things that can do that. Either someone's being a troll on spamming the shit out of it which I doubt so or mqtt is improperly configured. R your telemetry got left on something way too high

Does it have GPS and a weather sensor of any sort?

[umbral ice]

it doesn;t

[prisma saddle]

do you have any mqtt on that can used to see stats and timing of stuff either mesh view or malla or something ? good for troubleshooting.

[umbral ice]

This is ISR. Something is definitely wonky over here

No way we have that much utilization

[prisma saddle]

dang.

[reef ridge]

Wow! 40% is nuts, do you have someone over there with MeshSense spamming traceroutes for Utah nodes?

[umbral ice]

Not one of us. Possible someone else. I'll stand up a malla server

[leaden crow]

Maybe that angry HAM Karen that left you the passive-aggressive sign went on the offensive? 🤣

[umbral ice]

I'm not ruling it out tbh

I mean if I wanted to ruin it for someone, thats how I'd do it lmao

[leaden crow]

Did you get your hardware back from that guy? That would be even more insulting, if he used your own hardware to DDoS you.

[real cedar]

Can someone show me the instructions of how to do this

I'd like to monitor fpr directly

[real cedar]

Actually if he did that you would have legal repercussions

Because the hardware is installed lately at a tower site

The computer misuse act is actually rather broad 😂 . Not to mention I don't think the FCC takes kindly to interfering with any radio whether licensed or not

😆

Anyways, on a more serious topic it sounds like a misconfiguration. But it's always possible that it's because of the combination of traffic

If I look at AUR it averages about 15 to 20%

If I look at your guys's routers usages, they're about the same. If the only link between the two is MHR and it's getting spammed from both sides

That would explain it

It would be very ironic if the link between our two messages was the requirement for moving to short fast

🤣

[umbral ice]

I just hope Sid can get through that to RA lol

[real cedar]

I mean it's going to be snowed in so yeah I hope he can too

How many nodes are on the Idaho side? And what's your baseline usage?

[umbral ice]

It got snowed on after we left today

it might melt one more time

If I need to I'll make another run up tomorrow and plug directly into it LOL

[leaden crow]

They have instructions on the project page:
https://github.com/zenitraM/malla
Man, I can't believe that is vibe coded. Glad I'm not doing software dev work anymore.

It's too bad they didn't write that to just consume debug logs directly.

[real cedar]

Vibe coded. How do we know?

[leaden crow]

Malla (Mesh, in Spanish) is an (AI-built) tool that logs Meshtastic packets from an MQTT...

[real cedar]

Oh holy shit. I overlooked that

That's hilarious

[reef ridge]

Does vibe coded mean AI generated? I hear it all the time now.

[leaden crow]

Yes

[reef ridge]

Lmao, they'll euphemise anything these days.

[real cedar]

@umbral ice how the custom truck build is going atm

[dawn rock]

Software dev is going to change a lot

[umbral ice]

I think we found the culprit of our chutil

[prisma saddle]

holy cow. that could def do it lol.

see a diff?

[umbral ice]

Huge MHR is sitting at 4-9%

[prisma saddle]

awesome. glad you found it.

wonder if we will see the names of these. or if fpr won’t let us.

[inner jay]

Methinks my gps went wonky

Unless I now have ungodly reception powers lol

[prisma saddle]

oh wow. take me with you

[inner jay]

Thats my T-Deck in "Australia" lol. I never left the state

[real cedar]

ROFL
900 seconds is fine for all of those

[reef ridge]

What, you don't want a weather update ever 5 seconds? How else will we figure out if it gets colder at night?

[pseudo kestrel]

0.5 seconds please!

[prisma saddle]

in utah. we like it .5 sec. it changes on a dime. lol.

So we looking at NPR 2.0 next week or this week?

[inner jay]

Did we ever change over WC1/2? Haven't seen em since the changeover

[pseudo kestrel]

oh damn, it looks like FPR survived??

[obsidian storm]

we'll do it whenever the engineers have time. it's not set yet

[leaden crow]

Yeah, I got them changed last Friday. I've got a few packets from them, but not much on MF. If I had a better connection to AUR, I think I would hear more.

│ 105 │ Wasatch Crest 1 │ !aac126e8 │ WC1 │ RAK4631 │ gZIzzmbTvr0OXw8nVxW18Wi4MJRSdadStcOj5IofjFQ= │ N/A │ 40.6585° │ -111.5947° │ 3050m │ 92% │ 2.79% │ 0.66% │ -5 dB │ 3 │ 0 │ 2025-10-12 08:51:05 │ 14 hours ago │
│ 108 │ Wasatch Crest 2 │ !3c275a6b │ WC2 │ XIAO_NRF52_KIT │ PYjx6JkBQKnt7197Yx55ZcD4ZshAG8fOHQy5Q3DwGww= │ N/A │ 40.6651° │ -111.6013° │ 2900m │ 91% │ 0.29% │ 0.50% │ -11 dB │ 3 │ │ 2025-10-12 03:36:32 │ 19 hours ago │

I got this overnight last night from WC1
Temp:
-5.1100001335144
Hum:
58.4700012207031
Battery:
92

[real cedar]

What id like to do is have gateway uplink diversity for bash's malla instance. I imagine if I could configure my node to send his malla server stuff and say someone in toelle and someone in Idaho we would get a clear idea of mesh connectivity. Also a similar structure for the neighborinfo map would collect the best data

As for Brighton and BCC I've figured out what I'm gonna do. Stealthy bird houses nodes ill build now but plant when I go back country during the highest part of the snow season. This will let me ensure they can charge in the winter by putting them outside for testing but also this will let me place them high enough on trees to prevent them getting buried by the 200 inch+ base of snow pack @leaden crow

[prisma saddle]

i wonder if we get any nodes that can to be on the mqtt for it. more gateways the better from what i read. for data reliability.

[obsidian storm]

I'll have this setup soon

The one problem this does highlight though, is it doesn't show what the whole mesh looks like from a single node

So, it doesn't show where there are issues causing messages to not make it to me

For example, if we had someone in Ogden feeding, and the messages are all working fine up there, but none of them are getting down to the salt Lake valley, malla won't tell us

Because we'll have two devices feeding, one in Ogden and one in salt Lake.

If we had just one in salt Lake, we would see that messages from Ogden aren't getting through

I think I can fix that though, with multiple instances of malla

And some careful ingest through the mqtt server

[prisma saddle]

oh yes that’s true. too bad it can’t work like the neighbors does and marks if it saw the messages.

[prisma saddle]

but i guess that’s just more packets flooding the network.

or if you could connect to multiple brokers at once. 🙁

[real cedar]

So why dont we ask a good few users to feed the mqtt data directly from our nodes to yours? Or do we need multi instance to do that

[umbral ice]

it would be neat to see like all together, then each "region" sectioned out

[obsidian storm]

That's the plan

I'm just getting it into a datacenter

rather than my house.

[inner jay]

Hey I see STIR on my map now

[real cedar]

You know if it wasn't cloudflare I could actually visit it at work

😂

[inner jay]

Glances at the datacenter in his room

[prisma saddle]

same. lol. but out in the net would be better. lol

[ivory canyon]

I don't mind hosting it on my hypervisor. I'm well connected and have a block of static IPs. Just an option...

Funny thing is, we're probably all capable of hosting stuff to some extent. Who all here doesn't have a home lab? 😋

[reef ridge]

Does 3 ancient laptops in a Kubernetes cluster count?

[jolly goblet]

I’m always trying to justify to my wife why we have both Google Fiber and Quantum Fiber accounts. She never buys my attempted rationalization. But, we still have both. She doesn’t even know about the LTE backup. 🤣

[haughty moon]

Yeah. I got it set up to do the burn in. Just need to find time to climb the mountain

[inner jay]

I just claim science and it usually works lol

[ivory canyon]

Yeah, my backup is LTE as well. Luckily my fiber hasn't gone down in several years, other than when I upgraded to 10 GB service and they had to come out and replace my fiber modem last year. Its been super reliable.

[umbral ice]

I've only had one extended issue with mine and that had sometime to do with how my static IP was assigned. symmetrical 1gig woo

[ivory canyon]

Nice! I love my fiber connection.

I'm on 10 GB symmetrical but my firewall/IPS does some deep packet inspection and slows it down to about 6.5 GB/sec or so. Its good enough for me though! 😋

Good equipment that can do DPI and keep up with a full 10GB/sec is outside my price range...

[umbral ice]

what do you do that needs that much? 😛

At some point, the cost definitely outweighs the performance for me lol

[ivory canyon]

Usually nothing... But its nice when I do! 😋

[umbral ice]

LMAO and your network stack home doens't bottleneck you? 😮

[ivory canyon]

Nope! Its all 10GB or more. I run all fiber and DACs.

[umbral ice]

🤣 😂

I'm just here with my gigabit unifi LOL

at least I use cat6!

[ivory canyon]

Yeah, I'll admit its overkill mostly.

[umbral ice]

I think you mean hobby haha

[ivory canyon]

But its nice to be able to throw very large files around my local network at super high speeds.

[umbral ice]

No such thing as overkill in a hobby IMO. at least as long as bills are paid and foods on the table haha

[ivory canyon]

Yup! 😊

[real cedar]

See id go 10 Gbit but my issue is my firewall would need to become beef cake

And that's money I ain't down to spend 😂

Would be like yeah so my firewall runs on an epyc processor. Rip my power bill

[inner jay]

I do have a spare Sonicwall laying around

[ivory canyon]

My entire network stack runs on solar about 99% of the time. I built an off-grid battery backed up system to run all my equipment. There's an auto-transfer switch that will bring in commercial power when needed, but it rarely switches to it. Only in the winter after not having any decent sunlight for a day or two, does it switch over.

My network stack pulls about 650 Watts 24/7. So if I didn't have the solar to offset the cost, it'd be painful to pay my electrical bill every month!

[obsidian storm]

I have a similar setup

But I wanted it in a datacenter for the ISP uptime reliability.

[ivory canyon]

Sounds good.

[obsidian storm]

and the peering problem.

Home ISPs don't always peer to other local home isps very well.

Google fiber is the worst of the lot for that.

[ivory canyon]

I have Utopia Fiber with Xmission as my ISP but its probably similar...

[obsidian storm]

Google Fiber's peering to Comcast is just awful

[leaden crow]

I'd blame Comcast. Comcasts peering to the rest of the world is awful. Didn't they basically invent peering agreements?

[ivory canyon]

By the way, I just put together a raspberry pi zero node with a wave share lora hat. Its on the air (with a dummy load) on my workbench while I burn it in.

Not sure where I will put it yet but I'm thinking maybe down in Orem at my parents' home.

It should hit Lake Mtn very easily.

[leaden crow]

Yeah, thanks Comcast; "..it played a significant role in popularizing and shaping them in recent years, particularly through high-profile disputes with companies like Netflix and Level 3. These disputes highlighted the shift in internet traffic and led to new types of "paid peering" and direct interconnection deals between content providers and Internet Service Providers (ISPs)."

[leaden crow]

Those wave share hats suck. They don't have a TXCO. Most of us that built a portduino node when it was released have one of those sitting in a drawer right now.

[obsidian storm]

does that matter an a rpi?

[leaden crow]

Yeah, it errors on almost every message over 50 characters. Sometimes less.

[obsidian storm]

how is it different than the nebra hats?

[leaden crow]

E22 module has a TCXO

[ivory canyon]

I thought it was 80 characters. But yeah, I've read the same things about it.

[obsidian storm]

aren't these a E22?

[leaden crow]

Random. Like sometimes it would work with long messages. It has to do with heat causing the crystal osciallator to drift.

Wave share makes a bunch of stuff--E22 400 in your picture is going to be 433MHz. The SPI hat from the OG portduino youtube video that everybody watches and buys is not good.

[ivory canyon]

The one I got is a little different than the one in thus picture. Mine has the small ufl1 surface mounted connectors for the lora and GPS antennas.

[obsidian storm]

If you want to pickup a nebra hat, I had a bunch show up. They'll work great with an rpi

[leaden crow]

Is it the one they recommend in this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLGoEPNT0Mk

[ivory canyon]

I think as long as you don't subject it to widely varying temperature swings, it might be okay. Guess we'll see. It was $30-ish so I'm not out too much if it sucks rocks!

[leaden crow]

Trust me, I wanted it to work. It's not worth the trouble.

All the telemetry packets, etc. are long

If you just got it, see if you can return it and get a nebra hat from bash

[ivory canyon]

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0C61VK6WQ?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title

[leaden crow]

Return it to Amazon while you still can.

If you really want that crappy hat. I will give you mine for free.

[ivory canyon]

Its using the same SX1262 that the nebra hat uses. Just lower power (+20dBm) and no tcxo.

[obsidian storm]

and no filter

[ivory canyon]

Yes, that too! 😋

[leaden crow]

I'm literally looking at the picture of the Amazon listing you sent. It doesn't use an E22 module.

The only similarity is they have an RF can.

[ivory canyon]

I didn't say E22. I said SX1262.

[leaden crow]

Yes, but the important part is that it doesn't have a TCXO.
Also it doesn't have the PA and LNA the E22 module on the Nebra hat has

[ivory canyon]

That must be part of the PA section then. Yeah, I don't know about that.

[leaden crow]

You don't have to listen to me. I used that same hat for 6 months and it fucking sucked. Now it's in the bottom of a drawer. I wish I could have returned mine to Amazon.

[ivory canyon]

I will put it through some testing and see.

You're probably right that it will perform poorly compared to other hardware.

I liked the form factor. Specifically that it matches the profile of the pi zero.

Is there a better hat that fits the zero?

[leaden crow]

I made a zero sized hat on a proto board with a Xiao module. You could do the same if you really just want a small hat.

[ivory canyon]

Yeah, that's true. I wish I could get something like the Nebra hat in small form factor for the zero.

Then again, once you shove it all in a case, nobody sees it or cares... Except me! 😂

[leaden crow]

I can't find pictures. I gave away the only one I built to someone at the hackerspace. Once you've had a 1 watt, you don't want to go back..

[ivory canyon]

Well anyway, I gotta get back to work... Later!

[obsidian storm]

there is, but it's not easy to get to:
https://github.com/chrismyers2000/MeshAdv-Mini?tab=readme-ov-file

Wehooper4 might have some too

but those are always expensive

I just stick with the nebra hats for $25 because they're cheap

but they don't fit your goals so 😕

[reef ridge]

If you just want the smallest possible Linux node there's also the FemtoFox Smol edition too.
https://github.com/femtofox/Femtofox_Community_Hardware#femtofox-smol-edition

[ivory canyon]

All great suggestions. Thanks! I will probably end up ditching the wave share if my experience matches yours. But I'm an experimenter so I gotta give it a chance and see for myself. Hope that doesn't offend anyone. Its not meant that way. 😬

[shut cedar]

Hello - I'm pretty new to the mesh, been doing some limited testing with 4 nodes - I haven't seen any messages in the Freq51 channel since Oct 12 - can someone confirm I'm missing stuff - or has it been really quiet?

[keen glen]

Are you using the settings on freq51.net ?

There was a recent move of the network from LongFast to MediumFast as the network defaults to help with Channel Utilization

I'm also not a good person to provide input on mesh activity, since my location isn't ideal for the mesh currently

https://freq51slc.thebash.ninja

Sites like this can also give you an idea of activity (slcmesh/slcmesh)

Looks like there hasn't been much since the 12th

[reef ridge]

You're just not seeing messages or are you not getting node info broadcasts?

[shut cedar]

I have moved to medium fast, am seeing lots of nodes populate on the map

I double checked the key but strange that all 4 nodes stopped seeing any meat the same time

[haughty moon]

Send some test messages out. People usually respond. I’ll be watching them tonight

[sage sentinel]

Can someone verify I have this correct?

[haughty moon]

This is where it’s wrong. Use default MediumFast, but change frequency slot to 51

[sage sentinel]

Oh, that’s what I thought. The documentation suggests this is for error correction.

@haughty moon thanks, I’ll set it back and try.

[sage sentinel]

MQTT server address/username/password? said to reach out here.

[haughty moon]

It will work without it

[sage sentinel]

Thanks, I have it working now. The iOS app doesn’t show all the options. Once I configured through the web it took off. @haughty moon you are awesome.

[haughty moon]

Glad you got it working. Yeah the web client has more options

[inner jay]

Let us know your node name and we'll keep an eye out for you

[haughty moon]

Oh also, we don’t do MQTT downlink. We just use uplink for mesh statistics

[prisma saddle]

yup. we don’t have it setup yet. and really works best with a node that has its own internet.

[prisma saddle]

glad you got it going. welcome to the mesh! what’s it’s name?

[sage sentinel]

Brock, I have access to a couple high level mtn top sites that I would like to deploy some routers.

[prisma saddle]

that would be cool. run some rf tests on the locations and send us a link here. and those that are the infra masters can see how they would be.

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/

[sage sentinel]

Yeah. As long as they don’t interfere with my cell sites we should be pretty good.

[reef ridge]

Awesome! Around the Salt Lake Valley?

[leaden crow]

Could you get power at these sites? We could place Nebra nodes

[sage sentinel]

They are full cell sites. Generator, battery backup, min 50’ towers max 200’

[inner jay]

Are you talking about putting nodes on actual cell towers?

[sage sentinel]

Yes, likely lower at the base. Give the units some heel to to separation. Plus I don’t think they will buy off on a long power run up the tower.

What would you guys suggest as a good unit as a router? I want to try and get some before snow flies.

[inner jay]

Those nodes would need to be filtered properly. Cell signals are a large interference source for the mesh

In terms of hardware I'd expect to recommend a Nebra with a cavity filter

Since you have reliable power

[sage sentinel]

Then it may be a next spring thing. In wouldn’t have time to tune cavities.

[inner jay]

I believe we have several on order already tuned

Dunno if any spares are available

I believe that was @obsidian storm 's department

Where are your sites?

[sage sentinel]

I was working with bash ninja, be I have not received a response from him for awhile.

Little mountain, Ogden Mountain, UTAR, Ensign peak.

[inner jay]

I believe AUR is already on ensign

[reef ridge]

Nebra nodes are excellent, especially for sites with grid power.

[inner jay]

Little mountain would make a great connector for Park City

And offer some coverage for parleys canyon

[real cedar]

My own device advertised it's own public key 😑😑😑 really

[reef ridge]

Hell, I'll give you mine if you can get it on Mount Ogden. 😂

[real cedar]

I'm so sick of this.

[sage sentinel]

There is a site that’s west on 12th towards the landfill in Weber county. Our site has that name.

[real cedar]

The key can't possibly be low entropy

[inner jay]

Heh, I've seen that before lol

[real cedar]

It was generated with brand new firmware

[prisma saddle]

same seen that a few times. regenerated. gave up caring lol.

[reef ridge]

Awesome, awesome! I've been working on building the mesh in Ogden.

A Nebra there should have line of sight to FPR.

[sage sentinel]

Is there another peak named little mtn in salt lake?

[inner jay]

Little mountain summit. Overlooks Emigration canyon

[obsidian storm]

Wait, where were you working with me?

[sage sentinel]

Yes, but on Reddit

[obsidian storm]

YES> OK COOL

Sorry.

I'm not super on reddit a ton

SO SORRY

[sage sentinel]

Np

[obsidian storm]

I have all the gear you need to be successful

Antennas, filters, etc

[sage sentinel]

Is there a better way for us to communicate? I need to discuss my plan, but need rough costs.

[obsidian storm]

I set a bunch aside for that project

so you don't need to spend anything at all

You can get me here EASY. (DM or otherwise)
We can meet in person, you can have my phone number, facebook, email, HAM Radio, lol.

basically anyway you like to communicate, I'll be there.

[sage sentinel]

Ok, so you just need mounting authority and power?

[obsidian storm]

Basically

And power isn't required, but it'll take a bit more to get that running.

If we have power, I have 10+ boxes we can put up today

[sage sentinel]

Even better.

Have you approached MT, Ogden?

[obsidian storm]

This is the router map we currently have

we don't have mt ogden

[inner jay]

Are your boxes POE?

[obsidian storm]

yes

[sage sentinel]

I have a site right between Bingham copper and camp Williams.

[leaden crow]

They can run off PoE or 12vdc. They have a jumper to select.

[sage sentinel]

Looks like ensign and lake are already there.

[obsidian storm]

Ensign could be in a better spot

[inner jay]

You don't happen to manage any sites off 90th s do you?

[obsidian storm]

It's not on a tower

[sage sentinel]

I have a site in top of the miller building of 9400 s state. But that’s colocated

[sage sentinel]

Ok, I have a 140’ there.

[obsidian storm]

I have a site right between Bingham copper and camp Williams.
Which one is this? Is it the site on butterfield?

[inner jay]

Ah. I have a tower two doors down from my office on 93rd and 300w

[sage sentinel]

Just south of butter field

[obsidian storm]

If you're really game, I think we'll be best friends 😄

because the router game has always been so much work to get into various colos

[whole oxide]

Except for reddit lol

[obsidian storm]

I just got on Nelson, but the engineers got hit with that snow storm a bit ago and had to delay

[obsidian storm]

[sage sentinel]

I just need to get the approval. But it may need to be reviewed by legal.

[inner jay]

I'm sure the packet would be a great help with that

[sage sentinel]

The sites we own are easy. But the colo will be tricky.

[obsidian storm]

So we run all our colo agreements through a nonprofit in SLC:
http://801labs.org/

Having it be done by a non-profit usually helps legal a bit.

[sage sentinel]

Ok, this may help. Especially since it’s a non profit.

[inner jay]

(I just had that handy)

[obsidian storm]

^ Yup. T hat's the proposal I wrote.

It has my contact information in it.

Can you delete that in 20min?

[inner jay]

Sure thing

[sage sentinel]

I’m ok to use this?

[obsidian storm]

Yes.

[sage sentinel]

Perfect, I’ll reach out that way.

Did you get on farms worth?

[obsidian storm]

We haven't gotten farnsworth

Just the sister site nelson

[sage sentinel]

It’s saturated.

[obsidian storm]

*soon, I hope

We're at 915mhz, I don't know if farnsworth is using much of that

[sage sentinel]

True

[obsidian storm]

I know there are a few ham repeaters at 902 and 925

but nothing around 915 at these large sites

I think the biggest competitors we have for spectrum are the smart power, water, and gas meters.

[inner jay]

Which are becoming more widespread

[real cedar]

Why is ISR down

[umbral ice]

No idea

[real cedar]

Did someone shoot it 😂. It's idaho

[umbral ice]

Part of me wonders if it couldn't keep up with the telemetry flooding with an amp

Also possible

lol

[real cedar]

Lightning

[umbral ice]

Very possible as well

We had a pretty big storm here the other day

[real cedar]

Amps are very sensitive to lightning. Every single time FPR had an amp it got fucking rekt

[umbral ice]

lmao

[real cedar]

Now its survived

[umbral ice]

Could be voltage dipped too low and the BMS cut the batteries off and it never turned back on when the voltage came back up

I need to go up and investigate tomorrow

[real cedar]

I've always had raks come back. Heltecs. Not so much

[umbral ice]

I have those voltaic enclosures 1s BMS and I have one that got a little iffy. could be something like that

I DID get some adafruit near MPPTs tho and those are niiice

the bq25185s

[real cedar]

I'm not surprised. That design tries to throw the kitchen sink into everything when you really should just design dedicated devices for dedicated chemistries

[umbral ice]

makes sense. jack of all trades n all that

over complicate things and stuff gets broke

[real cedar]

It's why you won't find me designing a buck-boost converter for such devices

I'll always do dedicated buck

Deadicated boost

Cuz then I can do forward and reverse converters and offer isolation

Can't do that with buck-boost

So power is messy. All cuz one tried to do both at once

[obsidian storm]

Here is our list of items that are being fed.

Credentials

un: slcmesh
pw: slcmesh

Meshview

https://meshview.freq51.net/
If you want to view individual sources, you can see those here:

https://meshview-jupiter.freq51.net/
https://meshview-bashninja.freq51.net/
https://meshview-aida-g2.freq51.net/
https://meshview-lakemtn.freq51.net/
https://meshview-wren.freq51.net/
https://meshview-rxff.freq51.net/
https://meshview-ds1.freq51.net/
https://meshview-meshcitybish.freq51.net/
https://meshview-ace-roof.freq51.net/
https://meshview-jal-roof.freq51.net/

Malla

https://malla.freq51.net/
If you want to view individual sources, you can see those here:

https://malla-jupiter.freq51.net/
https://malla-bashninja.freq51.net/
https://malla-aida-g2.freq51.net/
https://malla-lakemtn.freq51.net/
https://malla-wren.freq51.net/
https://malla-rxff.freq51.net/
https://malla-ds1.freq51.net/
https://malla-meshcitybish.freq51.net/
https://malla-ace-roof.freq51.net/
https://malla-jal-roof.freq51.net/

Feeding

If you want to feed, shoot me a message and I can get your node setup to send mqtt.

[obsidian storm]

Added two more as people setup mqtt

One more

[prisma saddle]

@obsidian storm id be happy to help populate it.

@reef ridge Lived another day.

[reef ridge]

Needs weather sensors, especially an anemometer. Wind seems like the biggest enemy.

[inner jay]

It really blows

[sage sentinel]

Can you send that document again. I didn’t download it.

[sage sentinel]

Interested

[obsidian storm]

I'll send it in DM

[sage sentinel]

I figured I should create a call sign. Delightful_parrot_90663 is now TychoGhost.

Not sure if it will update.

[real cedar]

Are we slowly poaching the ch20 people 😂

Rip ch20

@umbral ice @reef ridge @obsidian storm do we need to standardize the BBS link message in order for them to all link? I'm not seeing them actually linked together

[reef ridge]

Shouldn't just the keyword bbslink be enough?

[umbral ice]

no. bbslink is the command

correct

AIDA got populated with messages from somewhere

but after i saw your screenshot of FPR's messages it made me wonder. but then i realized also that i'm half deaf down here atm

what is happening between DC801 and FPR?

[reef ridge]

I'm not sure how the link works. I suppose I expected it to actually exchange messages in the BBS channel.

[sage sentinel]

@obsidian storm I have scheduled for my technicians to pm our ensign site on Friday. Would that be enough time to get one put together?

[umbral ice]

they DM @reef ridge

[reef ridge]

Guess that explains why I haven't seen it. 😅

@real cedar is AIDA receiving DMs from FPR?

[umbral ice]

AIDA is me

😛

[real cedar]

No it isnt

We gotta all sit down and figure out the documentation

[umbral ice]

and nope

[real cedar]

How it all works

[reef ridge]

It wouldn't hurt to go straight to the source and ask.

[umbral ice]

I monitor the BBS channel and I only ever see AIDA and FPR. never DC801, but might be out of range of it

[reef ridge]

I saw DC801 once.

Is 905a AIDA?

[obsidian storm]

I just sent you the document via DM

[obsidian storm]

I'll get you credentials today!

[obsidian storm]

Yes. This should be great.

[prisma saddle]

im up for this too, if you did not see mine

thanks

[umbral ice]

AIDA is 75c4

That looks like it isn't dming the response and is instead just dumping it in the channel

looks like an odd interaction to me

because when I was testing back and forth between two nodes in my office intitially, the bbslink would go out the to BBS channel and then the bbs updates would be sent via DM

This is how it worked when I had success

via not vs >.>

[manic fractal]

I think I must have missed the setup info for the BBS channel. Do we have a link or can you share the channel name and key?

[obsidian storm]

the BBS channel is only for backend communications

so only BBS devices, right?

[reef ridge]

Yeah.

If you want to use the BBS DM that node, the BBS channel is just for them to discover each other.

[obsidian storm]

So you only need the BBS channel if you're running a BBS.

[obsidian storm]

sent you a DM

[manic fractal]

I’ve been running meshing-around on BBBB but I’m okay not linking with the other BBSs.

[umbral ice]

More is a good thing, at least I think. We still don’t know exactly what impact it will have on chutil depending on frequency of updates. How many posts do you have on yours? If it’s a lot I wonder if it would be a good idea to clear it before adding it.

I have no issue with you adding it, having a 3rd BBS over there might help to tweak and troubleshoot

[obsidian storm]

Added 3 more to this list.

[obsidian storm]

I have updated this to include Meshview for every mqtt feeder

and yes, I'm running 10+ instances of Malla & Meshview to make that work 😄

[umbral ice]

Your service is much appreciated 😄

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-like-honor-respect-gif-14588358108868813407

[pseudo kestrel]

hopefully each instance isn't too heavy

thank you Bash!

[obsidian storm]

no way.

I'm not even using a full core for everything combined

it's memory that keeps a rpi from running it.

It's using about 4GB ram.

but it's in a Utah-based datacenter

so hopefully it's good and fast

[prisma saddle]

yup seems really good

[manic fractal]

It’s cool that you were able to break it out into the different sources.

[inner jay]

Welp my spot in provo no longer hits anyone on MF

[dawn rock]

I rarely even see any traffic on channel 51 south of the POTM anymore

[inner jay]

I used to be able to hit lake pretty strong from here

But if I can't anymore with my best equipment

Gonna need some bouncer nodes to bring it in

[real cedar]

Looking good

Very good

Better than longfast signal wise

Literally avg RSSI on long fast was -110.73 iirc and and avg SNR was -7.26

I think congestion lowers those for some reason

Not sure why

[leaden crow]

On LongFast you could? It's not great for me either.

[inner jay]

Yeah

[obsidian storm]

This is strange to me @leaden crow . We have almost the same hardware.

But me sending to you goes great.

but you back to me, not so much.

[leaden crow]

I can tell you what it is not. It is not my cabling or antenna. That system measures pretty much amazeballs.

[obsidian storm]

what dBi is the antenna?

[leaden crow]

Rokland 40" I think 8dB. They don't have the page up for it because they haven't had it in stock for a while.

[obsidian storm]

have you thought about dropping to an alfa for a day?

I'm going to switch my antenna too

You and I should be able to get great signal directly to eachother

[leaden crow]

I had an Alfa there before I bought the Rokland, it's much worse.

Erayd thinks it's interference / noise. My SNR is bad. I got the Yagi to test / locate, but haven't had a chance yet.
I'm trying to get some exterior house painting done before it's too late in the season, so I've been doing that when it's warm.

I did get a larger NEMA enclosure, and if I get that nullrouten filter from you this week, I'll try to install it this weekend.

I was thinking about pulling the Acasom out of ds nsl, but this would be better.

Have too many projects right now though. I just got that SolarXiao today and have been testing it. If we somehow lucked into a couple of weeks of warm weather still. There is a chance I could build it and and replace WC1 this year.

I also printed and painted the enclosure for a Mount Wire node. It still needs some more work, might be done next week. I need to figure out who offered to install that.

[obsidian storm]

oh I get that. I'm building boxes for @sage sentinel right now hoping to get something on a tower this weekend.

[leaden crow]

Although, if we don't get takers, I do have an alternate spot above BST on Mount Olympus I would install myself. It would be more beneficial if someone else is willing to hike up farther up.

[leaden crow]

Heh, this is like the mad dash to do as much as we can before winter.

This is another one that will hopefully get upgraded tomorrow. It's THR2 -- on the roof of a business near ballpark area. Obviously the antenna adjacent to the steel mast is not ideal. I printed this cap to fit the top of the mast and locate the antenna above it. Going to see if one of the Nebra antennas is good enough here before we try something better. I think @pseudo kestrel should probably be 0-hop to this one when it's working well.

I'm hoping we'll reach a critical mass of high quality nodes and noise around me won't matter so much. I'm not super close to anyone else, but it's getting better. I have great SNR to Great Deku Tree

[real cedar]

@leaden crow are you working on Mount wire?

[leaden crow]

I'm working on a node with my last spare Xiao that could be Mount Wire. Depends on if someone else builds it first, and if we still have someone to install it.

[real cedar]

Well if bashes tower plans work. I was thinking of moving AUR to mount wire but we can't .. do .. the tower. We need the lesser peak. The tower is an instant way to end up in deep shit

It's way WAY too popular haha

I took a bike ride up early this weekend. And there was like 13 people hanging out

[leaden crow]

Yeah, was thinking that lesser peak. If you get to it first, I will find another place for it.

I have a spot right above BST on Olympus that would benefit me and it's only like 1 mile of hiking.

[real cedar]

One of the issues with the avenue is all the high rises are 6 Ave and lower so AUR, POTM and NPR are utterly useless for it.. you have to be like perfectly due east or west of 4th to give good coverage.

[real cedar]

Do that

I got mount wire 😂

Benefit yourself first

[leaden crow]

If it doesn't get to either of those before winter, it will probably end up on some family member roof. I've got a few choices in that area.

[real cedar]

Plenty of weeks before either of these places are really snowed in

I'd say before Thanksgiving

[leaden crow]

I got excited for that SolarXaio and bought more stuff. I ordered 3 of those Gizont antennas that bash also just bought. I'm way ahead of myself though. 99% Crest is snowed in after the next couple of days and I won't get back to it until until May.

[real cedar]

X big doubt

It will melt

Big warm spells next week

Almost record breaking apparently

Then cold again. Then hot again according to long term

[leaden crow]

Maybe, but Slyfox will also just pack up and go to Southern Utah. Getting my wife to shuttle me up there is way more difficult.

[real cedar]

???

Okay @leaden crow rufio's down to cargo haul to mount wire. We got that one. We will make a new node rapido. And haul a retarded amount of concrete.. a painted 10 ft pole 😆 and a decent node up to hide under a tree

You go ahead and do olympus

[leaden crow]

https://foxnroxshuttle.com/
Shuttle company. Once they're done for the season. Logistics are much more difficult.

[real cedar]

Ahhh makes sense. You'd have to do a winder

I mean personally sounds fun but not most people are down to bike up to the crest from PC

Guardsmen pass or whatever is still open if you want to go the BCC route and haul over

[leaden crow]

I've done the Pinecone loop. It just takes way more time, as do taking a shuttle or bus from the PC side.

[real cedar]

It's definitely one of those. Take it all up at once cuz I don't wanna do it again things

[real cedar]

this is where rufio and I are likely to bushwhack. Its well vegetated and off the beaten track

and nobody will hear my giant drill auger whining while we do it

im waiting on the usb c power slot lipo module and rak1906 BME680 and then we will have it done and ready

plan is a 2 inch diameter 12 ft pole and 50 lbs of concrete.. 3 ft down... concrete pour through the pole with the square flange inside the concrete

GOOD FUCKING LUCK HIPPIES

get ass mad

🤣

getting he big boy out for this one. Drill should be able to go through solid rock. Our idea is we will find a rock.. near a tree. rek the shit out of it drilling through. Drill into the ground. pour all the concrete so there no chance of removal.

The entire goal is if found make sure it maximally pisses off a hippie

Probably gonna weld a metal case together and weld it onto the pole 😭

And put a troll sticker on the back

If someone is able to remove that. They deserve a big prize. I'll feel sorry for the city if they have to. They might give up

Might tack weld the lightning arrestor and antenna and base together for extra fuck you energy.

Anyone taking bets on if anyone will remove that?

If your asking why are we like this. It's mostly for giggles and lolz

[haughty moon]

I fully support your plan

[real cedar]

I fully support my plan too 😂

[obsidian storm]

The new black boards look great

[leaden crow]

I'm not going to complain, you're doing all the work, but have you just considered a birdhouse node? I think it's way less likely to be found / fucked with.

[leaden crow]

yeah it does, that looks nice

[obsidian storm]

I'm interested to see if the AHT20 works

I put it vertical hoping it'll get better readings

[real cedar]

I mean of course we had but where would be the troll material in that

[modest bridge]

New guy here - what is this setup?

[reef ridge]

It's a pre-built device called a Helium Access Point, designed to mine cryptocurrency. Helium is practically useless now, so with a few upgrades you can get a fantastic Meshtastic node for fairly cheap.

The upgrade is the LoRa Radio board, which is the black thing in the picture.

And an AHT20 is a weather telemetry module.

https://meshtastic.org/blog/a-major-solution-to-a-miner-problem/

[modest bridge]

@reef ridge Thanks for explaining - I had heard about the Helium miners, but I've never actually seen one before. Cool that they can be repurposed for Meshtastic

[obsidian storm]

🌐 Weekly Freq51 NET — Starting This Wednesday!

Hey everyone! We’re kicking off a weekly Meshtastic NET to help bridge the gap between ham radio and Meshtastic users. It’s a great way to test gear, verify connectivity, and see who’s active across the mesh.

📅 When: Every Wednesday after 5:00 PM
📡** What to do**: Send a message in this format:

(LONG NAME) - (CITY YOU ARE IN) #FREQ51

Example:

bashNinja - Bluffdale #FREQ51

You can verify your check-in at:
🔗 https://meshview.freq51.net/net
Creds:

slcmesh
slcmesh

The NET will help us:

• Get a real count of active people (not just nodes)
• Run regular tests of our setups to ensure that messages are getting out
• Stress test the mesh with live messages
• Build a bridge between the ham radio and Meshtastic communities

I’ll send a message today opening the net at 5:00 PM so you can see how it looks on Meshview.

We'll create a dedicated NET channel in the dedicated Utah discord over at https://utahmesh.net

[maiden wraith]

my failures haunt me everywhere i look.

[reef ridge]

A filter with FPR 5 written on it, there couldn't be a clearer sign of what must be done.

[maiden wraith]

there is no denying it

[void iris]

Is there a reason why "MEC UV North base" does not show up on meshview? It has a great connection to LAKE.

I have a couple of devices that can only see it right now and I'm getting responses to my messages but can't see my messages on meshview

[leaden crow]

It probably has ignoreMqtt: true set
meshview is fed via mqtt

[void iris]

Gotcha

Do we need to "Okay to MQTT" as well?

[leaden crow]

yes, that's actually the one I was looking for

didn't see it in my --export-config

[void iris]

I didn't see that on the website we might want to include it

[umbral ice]

Clarifying question: Ignore MQTT drops MQTT packets so should have no impact on uplink. Turn both that and OK to MQTT will allow packets to be uplinked by and if, by chance, someone was feeding MQTT in with downlink, they’d get dropped, correct?

That’s how my stuff is configured and stuff pushing to malla, at least as far as I can tell. It does seem that meshview’s ingestion is different

[leaden crow]

Interesting, I think that shouldn't be the problem.
https://meshtastic.org/docs/configuration/radio/lora/#ok-to-mqtt
This configuration only applies to Channels configured with the defaultpsk and eventpsk keys set in the Meshtastic Firmware; Channels with custom keys ignore this setting.

[obsidian storm]

I think we're using a default psk

Not the standard one, but one of them

[inner jay]

Is there a way to increase the storage capacity if a RAK? I'd love to be able to store more than 80 nodes

[leaden crow]

RAK has memory modules, but none that are SRAM or DRAM. Not sure if you could do it with the FRAM module. It's definitely not supported in the standard firmware.

[stone shell]

Can't wait for a proper antenna to get here. Maybe I'll be able to finally get messages out

[leaden crow]

What antenna did you order?

[stone shell]

The Alfa AOA-915-5ACM one with an N type connector

Currently going overboard and designing my own board for what will one day be a roof node

[real cedar]

Alright guys I need some emergency brain storming

The G2 node I was given for Saint con needs some work

The problem.. he g2 does not work off of a 5V USB

It must have 9-12 USB pps or it WILL NOT transmit due to not powering the amplifier

I'm what to do here. @obsidian storm should I just go rak?

Will rak be enough

I can do a rak FAST. I can't do this fast

[haughty moon]

I have a DFRobot buck/boost converter or a Airbudy 2way amp

[real cedar]

I mean I don't really need 1 watt. I got the guts out

Case and bat pack is useable

[haughty moon]

Could you just put the batteries in series

[real cedar]

Maybe but then I have absolutely nothing to charge that

I'm just going to give up on one watch. It's totally unnecessary for 99% of all applications