US - Utah

[broken turret]

Purple X

[real cedar]

-157 dBm/Hz

[inner jay]

Oh right. DSR1

[broken turret]

That's clean as 🙂

[real cedar]

Yes. At first I was going to ask, could it be the local UTA Transit authority trains interfering with dagron since the Blue line and red line are in between him and bash

[broken turret]

Testing from the distant non-X tower to the close non-X tower (the latter is a random intersection in line with the signal path) was RSSI -79, SNR -10.5.

[real cedar]

But honestly they don't even operate near the frequency

[broken turret]

If they have a shitty setup it could be interfering out of band. Worth wandering around with a spectrun analyser and seeing what you can find IMO.

[jolly goblet]

I'm am unfamiliar with "saurons" (apart from the antagonist in LOTR). Is this a drug, a vehicle, or something else?

[real cedar]

These are class 5 electric dirt bikes basically..

These guys can rip up the mountain in seconds, vandalize something and come down

Like I'm not even joking you. It's insane how fast they are

And they're almost exclusively used by people ages 13 to 21

[broken turret]

Does anyone have a suitable yagi that @leaden crow can borrow? Testing with that would be pretty useful.

[real cedar]

@inner jay @umbral ice @haughty moon @naive shale @jolly goblet If you guys want all of you switch to short fast fpr will remain on short, fast for 24 hours.. and Idaho and MHR will remain on short fast. Let's do a 24-hour test and let's see if we get each other's node info and are able to talk to each other

As long as you're North of Centerville or bountiful Utah, you should see FPR

If you're not, stay on long fast

[inner jay]

If his node location is correct, he's sitting right between two broadband transmitters

[real cedar]

@reef ridge could you repeat the same message on longfast and see if we could get some extra testers for short fast

[inner jay]

Yeah I'm west valley

[umbral ice]

Ima get my roof G2 changed over

[real cedar]

That would do it if they're near 915

[inner jay]

Closest one is 3650mhz

[leaden crow]

I might just buy one. Free shipping from Rokland
https://store.rokland.com/products/12-dbi-aya-9012-alfa-network-n-female-directional-yagi-outdoor-iot-915-mhz-antenna?_pos=1&_sid=7a52618e7&_ss=r

[real cedar]

That's not even remotely close enough to make a difference

[inner jay]

Yeah I'll keep searching

[real cedar]

If they're harmonics where that loud they would be in trouble

[broken turret]

Depends what the fundamental is. 912.5 is precisely a quarter of that. If the base equipment is leaky...

[real cedar]

It's true that could do it, but 3.6 is public safety band and I don't think they're going to be very leaky

[broken turret]

In trouble if someone noticed and complained. 912.5 is pretty much wild west for RF.

[real cedar]

They usually keep that stuff tight

Also, that's usually an ofdm Wi-Fi type signal

[inner jay]

Got a cellular tower at 861mhz but that wouldn't interfere

[real cedar]

Oh that could interfere

🤣

[inner jay]

https://www.antennasearch.com/HTML/individual/antenna.php?unique_system_identifier=1989487&call_sign=WPSJ343&location_number=1

[real cedar]

That's close enough and you can get some of those. Intermodulation bikes to screw with 915 but even then it would be rather temporary

[real cedar]

Dude this investigation is getting very interesting. I got to say. I am so morbidly curious to see what the cause is just for the sake of knowing

😆

[inner jay]

This has triggered my hyperfocus

[broken turret]

Must admit I am also very curious to know what the source of it is, if you track it down.

You guys are thousands of miles away, but your problem is interesting, damn it!

[leaden crow]

I don't see this appear on any tower maps I've looked at, any clue what it could be?

[real cedar]

That's 5G NR for sure

But that's likely in the 600 to 700 MHz spectrum

Still close enough but if you're filtered you would easily get rid of it

[real cedar]

I mean how hard's a flight 😭🤣

We have an international airport

[reef ridge]

I can tomorrow, I'm out of range of the mesh when I'm home.

[real cedar]

Oh I'll send a message out and let people know

Actually

@prisma saddle #1197577977781821541 message

Could you get that message out? I'm monitoring short fast right now

[inner jay]

Well now I know what frequency mcdonalds uses for their pagers lol

[broken turret]

@leaden crow If you can get a spectrum analyser to attach to that yagi, it'll help find where the noise is coming from, if the spectrum analyser is good enough to see it. Just wave it around and see which direction it peaks in.

[inner jay]

Who is DST2? Thats not far from DSR1. Wonder if they have the same problem

[broken turret]

Even without it though, hopefully attaching your node to the yagi and pointing it at a decent high site will be enough to overcome the problem for your own place.

[leaden crow]

That's one of my trackers. It does have the same problem. I had it on a painters extension post on the top of my garage earlier, running traces.
I'm sure my neighbors think I am crazy

[inner jay]

Ah nvm then

[real cedar]

@broken turret I have a suggestion for the app developers. I say that the app is able to send images on modes short, fast and faster.. but it Force re-encodes to jpeg with a compress value of 80. I bet that would actually work. Like as a mainstream feature on short fast because the size of the jpeg would be drastically reduced. And at 10 kbps per second. You literally could send the biggest jpeg I've ever seen in about 1 to 5 minutes

Or is that just a moonshot?

[real cedar]

Bro, I had half my apartment complex staring at me and Mag rofl

[broken turret]

I strongly think that would be an incredibly bad idea. Remember that the 10kbits/sec is shared. Leave the images for faster modes than LoRa IMO.

[leaden crow]

Does the hackerspace have a spectrum analyser?

[real cedar]

Well, we will keep that in mind for our little autonomous drone. We'll try not to ever ask it to send a current location image at jpeg=70 🤣

By the way, the autonomous part is working. Our initial test drone is fully autonomous. We have no controller for it. We send it commands over Wi-Fi right now

We just got the rest of it. Rebuilt with a new fuselage

Don't ask what happened to the old one

🤣

[real cedar]

No but I do if you'd like me to bring one

[leaden crow]

Yeah, I'll buy the Yagi

[broken turret]

Hmmm..... how do I nitpick around that... what pitfall were you especially mindful to ensure the new one will not run into?

[real cedar]

Hell yeah. Are we going on an old fashioned Fox Hunt?

I haven't done one of these in 2 years

😆

[leaden crow]

Yes, I assume you know how to use that thing? So I don't have to try to learn from Youtube.

[broken turret]

You don't want to test with a borrowed one first? I cannot guarantee that a yagi will solve your issue. It is a good next step to try, and I think it has a decent chance of helping a fair bit, but it's not certain.

[real cedar]

You know there's nothing that can survive the destruction of babies

🤣

I love his kids to death but sometimes it's like God damn it

[leaden crow]

Nah, I don't care about the cost of the Yagi. I'll use it somewhere.

[inner jay]

I have a lora attachment for my flipper lol

[leaden crow]

It might end up in the valley pointing at WC1 or WC2 up in the mountains.

[real cedar]

Yeah, we'll throw it on a center of 914.625. we'll give it a spread about 5 MHz.. and then we'll just sit there and hunt around for what might be causing the problem

Basically, we'll be looking for spikes in the neighborhood. And in fact, I think on that yagie bring one of your gpio labs filters so we can use the filter to actually look around for something that's making it into the band

[leaden crow]

We should do the same at bash's house. Since he can barely talk to POTM

[leaden crow]

I have a cavity filter that is better than GPIO labs probably

[real cedar]

All right, sounds like a plan. I'll show you how to use it and I'll give it to you and I'll show you how to save and recall data.. I'll probably not go on it myself, but I'll be excited to see what you find

I have the 999 and it takes first precedence

Let me go get it prepared. I'll put some connector savers on it in case you know bad things happen

[broken turret]

Look for harmonics (and things that are a fundamental of a harmonic on your frequency) that might hit your frequency too. LoRa can pull signal out of noise quite well, but that also means that the nature of that noise can have quite an impact. So if there's stuff that might be stepping on you but near the noise floor, then hunting the harmonics can be a useful way to get better contrast on the thing when you're trying to find it.

Especially if the problem noise is itself a harmonic, and the main bulk of the power is on a different frequency

[real cedar]

@broken turret yeah I will teach him that Thursday at the space.

It doesn't have the best noise for but it should work. It's a very upgraded tiny sa

And thanks for your dedication today

It's very much appreciated

Basically, all of its internal components have been upgraded to minimize the sources of thermal noise and Raleigh noise and so on. Basically any noise the electronics can reduce. We went to an upgraded part on so it has a very low noise floor. It's very sensitive

[broken turret]

TinySA is shit at seeing LoRa because of the slow scan speed, so if your noise is LoRa (e.g. a big cluster of smart meters or something) it may not show them properly. But for most other things, it's pretty decent.

[real cedar]

I guess we'll have to see. It's the only one I have on hand that's portable

The other one's a bench top and I don't think I'm going to be dragging that thing around

I could give him my RTL SDR but it's rather basic

[broken turret]

Certainly a good place to start. They're amazing little gadgets.

[broken turret]

No worries. Very happy to help, and keen to see how you get on with sorting it out.

[real cedar]

You're on to something about those smart meters though.

See Rocky Mountain power has been recently installing a lot of solar roofs

And battery backup and all of them use Lora

Maximum spread

Literally as wide a bandwidth as they can shoot through. But you know what are you going to do? It's a utility company

[broken turret]

Do you know what frequencies they're using for it?

[real cedar]

6/64 500 kHz 4/5 Is all I know. But I do know that they operate it on all of their smart meters for monitoring the solar back feed to the grid

[broken turret]

Roger

[real cedar]

I think that's the fastest mode lora supports if I'm not mistaken

[broken turret]

IF that's the cause, and it's stepping on your frequency, it might be pervasive enough to warrant shifting your meshtastic stuff out of its way. You won't get the utility company to move.

[real cedar]

Yeah, we'll have to investigate. I anticipate that they're probably using multiple slots to do this since there's a lot of people who took advantage of that program, particularly the Richer folks on the hills

[broken turret]

Downside of pervasive urban noise coming from everywhere is it makes directional improvements a lot less useful (albeit they can still be quite helpful)

[real cedar]

You know you do have a point there, but it's still possible to Fox Hunt those signals out

And if it really is one of those getting up close and personal to someone's house should give us a pretty good indicator

[broken turret]

Oh, one other thing about the yagi @leaden crow - those things are still polarised. Make sure that whatever direction you're pointing it in, the elements are still vertically oriented.

[broken turret]

Depends on the checkin interval. Sometimes things like that do not transmit too frequently, but because there are tons of them there is always somebody's meter on the air nearby.

So staking out a random house may not help.

[leaden crow]

I'll figure out a tripod mount for it. It reminds me of @white field setup with his yagi on a rifle tripod.

[broken turret]

Have another meeting now - anything else you guys want on this one? I can jump back in again in a bit if yes.

[real cedar]

That's true and it would explain why they're using the fastest mode if they have a need to burst a lot of data infrequently

well @leaden crow I'm glad I'm not the crazy one in thinking that the higher modes were possible. It's unfortunate though because it means that in order to actually get realistic tests, we need to move a lot more nodes over. In the meantime, I think this investigation is very interesting and we should pursue it

We have a lot of time between here and NPR going up

This also explains why I had good tests from North to AUR but you didn't

[leaden crow]

Also, I am probably not in a good spot to be doing the bulk of the testing.

[real cedar]

Urban noise

And thankfully us people up north are completely blocked by inns and Peak from seeing the majority of the valley there. So a lot of the noise is cut down as you go north and south from that bowl

[broken turret]

Honestly, you want a vehicle for this kind of thing anyway. Not a fixed location. Can't drive a house.

[prisma saddle]

yup we want anyone that can to move to shortfast? further testing? right?

[real cedar]

Only if they can see FPR so people north of bountiful

I want to get a good baseline from everyone who can and see their rssi and their SNR. Tell them to keep their app connected all night so they can take a screenshot. Run a couple Trace routes and hopefully have some successful communication tests on the channel

Make sure that it is blank, not named anything blank.. aq==

It's going to help me determine if short fast is worth it or if we should just stick on medium fast which I'm totally chill with. Medium fast would be glorious

It worked really well and really reliably for malice and I.. shortfast Hit or Miss

I was a lot of hits but he was a lot of misses but he got some hits

[broken turret]

If you want lots of signal readings, turn on the range test module (on FPR) with a not-too-long interval on it. Will spew out zero hop packets at that interval until it times out (which I think happens at about six hours after boot). Is a good way to get a bunch of signal test packets that won't annoy the rest of the mesh.

Anything with range test enabled will display the seq messages for it. Anything with range test turned off will completely ignore the messages, but will still update the RSSI / SNR numbers for that node. To listen on range test but not transmit, just turn it on with an interval of zero.

[real cedar]

@reef ridge If Jovialis sees it tonight, I'm going to try and remote admin and turn that on

Well, to be honest with you, there's not very many people on the rest of the mesh right now. It's just us. Quiet and peaceful

Mags out of range for the night and I'm the one with the primary connection

Just waiting on that pesky node info

@broken turret there's one other potential source of noise I forgot to mention.. both dagren and bash are within line of sight of an army area and the NSA site

[reef ridge]

Sounds good, at least we'll get a lot of good data for our test. 😂

[real cedar]

😆

But one would hope they're not interfering on an ISM band

[real cedar]

Well I'm even more excited now cuz I didn't know that range test does that?

I'm definitely going to turn it on if I get a chance

[reef ridge]

What are you talking about? What do you mean about the range test?

[leaden crow]

#1197577977781821541 message

It's a module you can install

[prisma saddle]

done and tossed it on longfast channel too.

@real cedar

[real cedar]

Thanks man

Appreciate it

If we can make shortfast work for all of us. I'll be jumping up and down

I will literally build 4 Xiao nodes to connect wc1 and 2

And hike all over 🤣

[haughty moon]

I dont think you'll be happy until we go TURBO

[real cedar]

Don't tempt me with a good time

😆

It would actually be insane AF if we managed short turbo over a 130 mile link but I'm not willing to risk it

[haughty moon]

Its 'only' another 3db of link budget haha

[naive shale]

Just discovered FPR on my fresh node db

[haughty moon]

I got it too

[real cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/tyrion-lannister-peter-dinklage-game-of-thrones-got-the-northeners-gif-3411590

@leaden crow

Sorry I had to post it. I don't know if you saw my response on the mesh

Missed game of thrones opportunity

🤣🤣

I do have an idea though to fix the problem in Salt Lake. I don't know how bash feels about this, but he has a lot of Xiao nodes as do I. I think we could buy a lot of adafruit mppts.. and we could go get small solar panel nodes up on a lot of strategic areas for the clients, not the least of which includes tall Street lamps

There's quite a few of those here up north by the way on the default channel

They literally just went on the street lamp and posted it up there and made it the same color and the city has never touched it

So worst case if a mode doesn't quite work out, we can at least supplement and I think we should because the city has a lot of issues even on longfast. Like downtown Salt Lake. Absolutely sucks donkey dick and I'm there a lot so I might fix it myself in that area. But I could use help getting strategic clients elsewhere

[prisma saddle]

@here Anyone north of bountiful willing to help. we are doing a 24h test of shortfast with FPR please make sure your primary / 0 channel is blank. so it says 0/11 change to shortfast modem preset and reset your node db. thanks!

[broken turret]

It's included in the base firmware; you don't even need to install it. You'll already have it. Just turn it on 🙂

[real cedar]

@haughty moon bro, I swear you guys are going to turn my profile pic into a meme for meshtastic.. birds and a musk face with him smirking going hmmm.. should work. It's only 3db more loss 🤣

[broken turret]

Uses double the bandwidth though. It's easier to interfere with.

[real cedar]

Gets 15 dBi Omni out

It's only 7 degrees beamwidth

What could possibly go wrong

You know at some point we can stop calling it an omni

Us RF engineers really need to work on our terms

[broken turret]

It's still omni in the horizontal plane

It's just nowhere near isotropic

[real cedar]

True

It's an anisotropic omnidirectional antenna. Say that 5 times fast

[broken turret]

That's quite the mouthful!

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-seeing-stars-dizzy-tom-and-jerry-gif-26849294

[real cedar]

@jolly goblet Hey bud, you should be able to do Mount wire if you really want to. I just want to let you know ahead of time so you don't invest too much money in that node. I would make it a small rak solar node and I would put it in a metal box that you can lock decently

I'm just saying you run a lot of risk in that spot

[obsidian storm]

The black boards look nice

[leaden crow]

Did those just arrive?

[obsidian storm]

Yes. Still will be a week or so for the rest of the parts

[real cedar]

COCK MUNCH AND DONKEY BALLS
FPR might have crashed

From the spam 😭

Guess I'll wait on systemD/watchdog to restart the bbs

[haughty moon]

i last have it 54 min ago.... i was wondering if it went down...

[real cedar]

Well I guess we'll see if meshtastic D comes back. We hit the reboot button but maybe that doesn't do what we expected it to do

Damn it and short fast was going so well too

😆

[haughty moon]

it was the only node i can see lol

[real cedar]

Well I'm talking in the US Idaho channel. I think it's a good idea to go ahead and put watch dogs on our infranodes that are Linux based

One reboot a day won't hurt anything and I think it would be wise

In case something crashes

[prisma saddle]

nice!

[haughty moon]

fpr blipped, but is not responsive

[reef ridge]

🫠

Perfection on the first try wasy too good to be true I guess. 😂

[prisma saddle]

hah. well you still did good buddy.

[real cedar]

It's okay when you go up there, make it very robust and make the watchdogs or whatever Daemon that is running. It always restart the service and also add a reboot once every 24 hours. Admittedly, this was probably our spam today. The femto fox is a weak device in terms of resources. That said, I will continue to try to get to it. I was able to reboot it about 12 minutes ago

But it has now stopped responding again

Look on the bright side. We got a lot of good testing today and I think medium fast is going to be the decision. Overall, short fast is cool and we're really enjoying it, but medium fast is going to be more resilient to noise and more resilient to long lengths when the storms come through in the winter and I think it's probably going to be the best mode for all of us

It's the best compromise

[reef ridge]

Really considering making an FPR v5.1 assembly and swapping the guts into v5. Battery voltage sensor, an improved battery pack/SCC, and some software adjustments. It could be done fast because the biggest time sink the first time around was waiting on JLPCB.

[obsidian storm]

well shoot

my nodeid changed for some reason.

[prisma saddle]

what ? weird. reset something?

[real cedar]

Well you know I know you want to do that and I think it would be cool and if you're willing to do so that would be awesome. But do you have everything required to do it so that you could take it up this weekend?

Also I would absolutely freaking love if you could add a weather sensor to it

Like a bme280

[reef ridge]

I could pull the one from v4.

[real cedar]

Yeah

It just needs i2c

And then you just got to program the software to see it. But what I would definitely focus on is getting the software and bbs to be very crash and reboot resistant

That's the big part

[prisma saddle]

bash figured out how to add them to the nebra. at least not supported ones.

[real cedar]

All other goals would be secondary

[reef ridge]

I'd go to the space and get someone experienced to help me. I want it to survive winter!

[real cedar]

You want this thing to survive the winter and it's going to get cold up there

😂

Well if you have everything to build 5.1 with a weather sensor and a voltage sensor and everything you had before then I mean yeah build it before Thursday and come to the space

And we'll just have to replace it. Also put the solar panel on bottom and put a bigger antenna on top 🤣

I'll literally give you an 8 dB.. it's 50 bucks but I'll give you one if that means donating to the cause and getting that thing to work

Wait shit do I have any more of those hang on

[reef ridge]

I'd have to disassemble and reassemble it up there but it's doable.

If there's going to be a big antenna I'd want a more robust enclosure to mount it to though, something metal.

[real cedar]

If you wanted it it would be my last one

The rest of my five are all 10 DB. I've got a 5.8 on the way for aur

You would need to find a way to anchor this to the pool though properly because the wind load would be insane

It's 52 in Long

🤣

[reef ridge]

Come with little u-bolts or something?

[real cedar]

It might have but I don't know where I put it. Honestly though I like the version that's up there, I really think that you should just leave it there and I don't know. Try to add a weather sensor and a voltage meter at the top if you want

But honestly your build is good as it is. We just need you to go up there and make the daemon more robust in the BBS

[reef ridge]

Yeah, that's why I was thinking a small iteration with a gut swap. The case has one of those removable mounting grids so I could just go up, unscrew the old one, and screw the new one in.

[real cedar]

Okay well you let me know if you want me to bring my antenna. Let me go see if I can find the u-bolt mounts

I'm warning you now though that Mount needs to be robust.. this is a big antenna and the wind load will literally be catastrophic if it's not anchored properly

My neighbor, the Morgan county sheriff will be telling me my antenna ended up on his fucking police precinct on the other side of the range

🤣

[reef ridge]

The Alfa is good enough for the Idaho link and putting a bigger one on would need a significant rework, I think I'll leave it.

[umbral ice]

This was MHR’s brace lmao. Built the whole mount out of a discarded bed frame hahaha

[reef ridge]

Looks really robust!

[leaden crow]

That's my kind of repurposing. I make C6 some mounts out of the angle iron from my mini-bike crate.

[real cedar]

Yeah I found the mount

It's rated for category 5 hurricane

[real cedar]

Literally it has a serrated bite So I could give it to you but you got to let me know if that's something you're really interested in reworking

Before Thursday

[reef ridge]

Do you have any pictures of this antenna being used? I'd want to mount it to the conduit but Not sure how the feedline situation would work. You think any line loss would be okay because it's a 1W radio?

[real cedar]

Well I could go dummy something up for you right now if you'd like

There's a pole on the tennis court out here

And I'll give you an idea of exactly what it's supposed to look like

Hold my beer

And here I thought I was done receiving strange looks from my neighbors today

[reef ridge]

TFW there's two dudes just standing in the parking lot staring off into the distance.

[reef ridge]

Are those antenna mounts you welded?

[leaden crow]

Yes, not my finest work. That was quick and dirty.

[reef ridge]

A grinder and paint makes ya the welder you ain't. JK, they look fantastic and I don't know how to weld and I want to learn how, it always comes in handy.

[leaden crow]

MIG is super easy. I've heard it called metal hot gun gluing.
Just don't cheap out on the welder and don't go fluxcore, the shield gas makes your weld quality way better.

[real cedar]

@reef ridge

Now I'm leaving before children show up

But yeah other than that I would shrink tape all of the connections and I would loctite or vibratite the clamp and you're pretty much good. If you're really paranoid about it, you could add some lexel along the screw that you would have to remove in order to unscrew stuff

[reef ridge]

Is it just an N connector on the bottom?

[real cedar]

The load coil or the non-receiving part of the antenna is inside the metal where you get the clamp there so you don't have to worry about that part being against the pole. As for the connector, yes, it's an n-type male

I'll take a picture for you

[broken turret]

RX line loss is the one that will matter more. 1W can shout through a lot of coax on the way out, but it still needs to receive, so keep the feedline short. An LNA can help compensate for that, but isn't magic.

[real cedar]

Yes, that is correct. You know if you beef up the antenna mount, you're probably fine to just clamp this against the pole near the bottom and have it directly attached

I try to do my designs as direct attach as possible and that's why I locate the bulkhead as close to the rear wall of the plastic encasing as possible in the center

That way if I ever decide I want to put this on or the absolute fucking bonker chonker 10 dBi 🤣 I don't run into a problem with anchoring

If you think this is big, the 10 is a good foot longer

LOL

[reef ridge]

The way I mounted the enclosure on v5 leaves a 2 inch gap between the mounting conduit and the enclosure, so there'd need to be a pigtail instead of a direct mount. Or a really long U bolt with a 3d printed spacer to fill it in.

[real cedar]

@jolly goblet I saw before you deleted. Yeah if I were you I would go cheaper in a metal case with a solar panel with a good anchor. You want this thing to be an absolute metalized tank

That way at least if people do try to mess with it, it's rather difficult to vandalize. You'll also want a hell of an antenna anchor. A lot more than what I just showed. In fact, I would use two clamps and then just to be an extra dick I would definitely do something to prevent people from unscrewing those

[jolly goblet]

I appreciate the warning. I'm still thinking about it. And if I do something, I will consider it disposable.
As we speak, I'm on the JLCPCB site to get a quote for having some boards printed and assembled with the E22-900M30S and a Xiao nRF52840. The prices look reasonable. They don't have the Xiao in stock, so I'd have source and solder that myself--but those are easy to come by. If I used that it for a "disposable" node, I probably wouldn't run it at 30db to keep power demands lower. The only hitch is the needed filter because of the LNA on the E22. For "cheap" nodes I wouldn't use a cavity filter.

[real cedar]

Yeah, you would probably have to go get a longer u-bolt. You're probably pretty correct about that.. but longer you bolts can be found. You just need to make sure they're threaded all the way. So that you can clamp down that much

[real cedar]

Well you don't have to make a disposable. You just have to make it a freaking tank

That's c6c right now

Because there's children that play around and teenagers, the thing could literally get smacked by a jackhammer and probably still survive

Only because I know how kids are these days

They see anything to play with and it's rather funny to watch it explode

[real cedar]

Well I leave it up to you.

Just let me know by Wednesday if you want the antenna

I'll gladly donate it to fpr

But it needs to go up there in the next revision or I'd rather keep it for something else

[leaden crow]

Get the Murata filters while you can, although it would be nice if your board had the footprint to solder them.

[reef ridge]

You have a printer, right? If I model a spacer in freecad can you print it?

[real cedar]

Yes, I can. What material would you like it printed out of? I can do everything from exotics to your average everyday stuff. I would suggest something UV resistant and glass fiber reinforced if it's going to hold up to the winds at the peak for something this long

I've also got pet-cf if you want to use that

[reef ridge]

I have a roll of ASA, should be alright.

I mean, if you'd like to donate something more robust to the cause that's great too.

[real cedar]

@reef ridge send me the docs for your BBS and mesh daemon

Let me see if I can wake fpr

[real cedar]

Asa will do fine. I'll have to go tweak my printer and processes because I haven't printed ASA. I've mostly been in something more exotic lately

But it shouldn't take me too long to dial it. Who made the ASA?

[reef ridge]

Uhhh, lemme check.

[real cedar]

Please don't say overture 🤣. Please be bambu or equiv

[reef ridge]

Polymaker, Amazon special.

[real cedar]

Oh hell yes

I got a profile for that

Send the link I think orcas got it already

I'll just make some quick tweaks

[reef ridge]

Link? For the ASA?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09DKR3BTG

[real cedar]

Okay, it is exactly the filament I expected it to be. I'll go run some tests on my current one and we will see how it turns out. I need to make sure my enclosure doesn't cause any warping

[leaden crow]

#1197577977781821541 message
#1197577977781821541 message

[real cedar]

I'll run a test print tonight and so whenever you're ready you can send me your file

[strong pagoda]

are the acasom 915 filters good to match with the g2? Looks like it, but figured id ask quick

[real cedar]

That's what mines running

[reef ridge]

Oh, can you measure the diameter of antenna's base?

[strong pagoda]

sick. thank you. ordering them now to go with the base stations!

[leaden crow]

Yes, but if you're buying an Acasom, I would spend a little more and get nullroutens filter

[strong pagoda]

more research commences

[leaden crow]

I'm finding you links

[strong pagoda]

thank you!

[leaden crow]

#general message

[real cedar]

LOL

Type-N Connector Mechanical Specifications

Typical Outer Diameter (Male): 0.827 inches / 20.3 mm
Typical Outer Diameter (Female): 0.627 inches / 15.7 mm
Connector Thread: 5/8inch 24 turns per inch UNEF thread

I'll go verify but I guarantee you it's the same

[reef ridge]

Works for me. 👍

[strong pagoda]

that homie sells them? ill reach out. thank you

[leaden crow]

Yep, $80. I think it's a steal at that.

[obsidian storm]

you could have him add it to my order

and save on shipping

[strong pagoda]

does he know you as bashninja? ill add that to my message and see if its possible!

[obsidian storm]

yeah

[real cedar]

The wider part of the mountain is about 24 mm.. the n-type connector is right around 20.3.. I would size for the bigger one or somewhere in between there and just we'll compress the plastic whatever

I think the last thing I'm going to do tonight is get that print going

I'm getting pretty tired

[real cedar]

@reef ridge despite my print going well. I'm reminded why I hate ASA and ABS

PET-CF superior to either of those two

Also I've found PA6-GF to not breakdown outdoors lol. Consider it my new goto since it puts abs to shame

https://us.polymaker.com/products/fiberon-pet-cf17?variant=44225304231993
https://us.polymaker.com/products/fiberon-pa6-gf25?srsltid=AfmBOopLC8wWaMR4mMctSHGwGITibBVb0-QS7Gf1KbZa9q8Mf82sEpqw

I've got like 6 kg of each in my dry filament store. So I might just print your mount out of that 😂

[ember torrent]

Do the bigger boys/girls helicopter people onto peaks to trouble shoot commercial equipment during winter?

[real cedar]

Yes

It's pretty fun

Did that when servicing tmobile towers in college

Gets to peak
I love the smell of -25 in the morning 😂

[ember torrent]

Damn. One can reach Logan Peak with a snowmobile during winter…

[real cedar]

I'd love if someone put a router on mt logan

[prisma saddle]

really. i’ll have to try that sometime. which do you like most brand wise for that?

[reef ridge]

It's raining and my SNR and RSSI are still great on SF about 15 miles away.

From here it looks like FPR is completely engulfed by a cloud.

[reef ridge]

Well, why do you hate it?

[haughty moon]

I still can’t get traces back or anything through FPR. I wonder if it’s crashing shortly after broadcasting

[real cedar]

It's slow to print. It warps easily. I mean I can do it reliably. It's just annoying and I have to be mindful of a couple chamber temperature issues like step motors.. they really don't like the 80c build chamber temp 😆

[reef ridge]

I lost contact, maybe the raincloud finally did its thing.

[real cedar]

No, it's just not actually functioning

Quite literally it's only sending out its node info once an hour and that's all it's responding to

But it's there in my SNR to it is good so it just needs to be reprogrammed

Also the femto fox has made me think you know what. I'm just going to pony up and for now on when I do a mountaintop BBS node I'm going full raspberry pie.. we're going to do a r pie zero

The only reason is a lot of the people in the femto Fox thread told me that it's a rather weak device and prone to crashing occasionally. That's why they don't recommend it as a router device. Now me being me. I totally disregarded that. But now I guess we're finding out after a little bit of spam we took it down

🤣

[reef ridge]

Feelsbadman.

[real cedar]

It's all right. It's not a bad thing.

You should always look at it from the perspective of move fast and break things

[reef ridge]

I like the formfactor of the Femtofox. I want to try to learn PCB design now. I'm imagining something a lot like a Femtofox but with an RPiZero instead of a Luckfox.

Oh, and SMA.

IPEX is smelly and I don't like it.

[reef ridge]

FPR v5.1 is in the works, parts come in Thursday.

[haughty moon]

Don’t they make sx1262 pi hats

[real cedar]

I can help you with this if you want. You know I spent many years as an RF engineer doing PCB design. It wouldn't be too hard. Well okay being a little optimistic.. implementing a full arm chip might be a little bit difficult for a first timer, but it'll be fun

[reef ridge]

Figuring out things I don't know is the fun part!

[reef ridge]

I think so, but I like the neat little all-in-one package.

[real cedar]

They also make e-byte hats for the pie

[real cedar]

Yeah, we're just going to have to make some tweaks to the software. What all did you order. Are you putting a weather sensor on it.

[reef ridge]

I was going to borrow the one from v4.

Does it have to be mounted on the outside?

I just got another enclosure and a solar charge controller, I think I have everything else I'd need.

[obsidian storm]

We could do a group buy of the pi hats, if enough people want one

https://github.com/chrismyers2000/MeshAdv-Pi-Hat

[real cedar]

Doesn't he still have it on etsy

[obsidian storm]

sometimes

https://www.etsy.com/shop/frequencylabs/

[real cedar]

Ahh damn sold out

I got one at my place but I'm kinda rebuilding prom point to go rpi instead of nebra since I need to do something with the old lowe peak case

[obsidian storm]

they have a newer mini version, which is nice

https://github.com/chrismyers2000/MeshAdv-Mini

but not so easily hand-soldered

[reef ridge]

Oh, that does look nice. That's not a 1watt radio though, is it?

[real cedar]

I might have to get one

[real cedar]

No but again 1 watt is not a necessity

[reef ridge]

No, but it sure is nice insurance.

[obsidian storm]

It's 1W

[reef ridge]

It says 22dbm on the GitHub page?

[obsidian storm]

Yes. It's the Ebyte E22-900M22S chip, but we can easily switch it to the Ebyte E22-900M30S no problem.

if we build ourselves

we just might need to verify the powerbus on the pi can handle it.

the non-mini has a Ebyte E22-900M30S

so it should be fine? I'll dig into it.

[leaden crow]

You know our Nebra hat will work on any regular pi. There isn't much reason to buy this one. It's not filtered either.

[leaden crow]

The problem is size. The 22S module is way smaller. The 30S will never fit on a zero sized hat.

[obsidian storm]

will it? I thought there was a different pinout?

the adv hat has the nice gps slot

[leaden crow]

It does have a different pinout, but that only means you need to use a different config file.
I swapped the Adv pinout hat that was on my regular rpi node just last month for a nebra hat. Just changed the config.

[jolly goblet]

I just got a quote from JLCPCB for the larger version, with an sma, not the u.fl.
For 10 of those assembled (minus the GPS daughter board, which they don't stock) is $189 plus probably around $30 for shipping. 20 would be $299 plus shipping. And 5 is $143.

[leaden crow]

Personally I would remove the BBS and validate it is stable without the BBS first. It's going to suck troubleshooting if you have to drive up the mountain to reboot it every week. Can we get system stats sent through HostMetrics? I'm thinking Load Average, Memory available... That Femtofox does not have much RAM, if it starts swapping you're going to have a bad day.

[leaden crow]

Are you talking about a quote for the Adv hat or the other thing you were looking at? The nrf / e22 board?

[jolly goblet]

For the Adv. hat.

[leaden crow]

Seriously, don't buy that, just use the Nebra board bash already has ordered. It will work in any rpi and the Nebra and it has a filter.

[jolly goblet]

Yeah, I'm not interested in one that is RPi-based at this point. I'll stick with a μcontroller-based board at this point.

[leaden crow]

It would be pretty cool to get an nrf / e22 board with that murata filter. I would buy some of those for sure.

[obsidian storm]

I would love to see a rak board that is updatable remotely.

over the internet

[leaden crow]

You can do that, you just have to plug it in to an RPI with internet. 😆

[obsidian storm]

I think we should be able to build/design something with an rp2040

[leaden crow]

If it were as low power as the nrf, I would agree. It exists in an awkward spot where it doesn't give you that much functionality over existing MCU nodes, but it uses more power than an nrf so it's not as great for solar.

[obsidian storm]

the rp2040 can sleep and go really low power

[leaden crow]

OK, but does the meshtastic firmware support that yet? The last time I looked, it's power usage was the same as ESP (same problem)

[obsidian storm]

no, I mean, keep the nrf

and just add a 2040 to it

so you update the nrf firmware.

[leaden crow]

Oh, interesting idea

[obsidian storm]

the 2040 sleeps until an "update" job comes in.

[jolly goblet]

I took your suggestion and bought 20 of the murata filters--at $2 each it seemed like a reasonable gamble.
The xiao nrf/e22 1w I priced was using this board design: https://github.com/ndoo/ikoka-nano-meshtastic-device

[obsidian storm]

are you building these?

I'd love to play with one or two

I'm very interested to see the solar capabilities of it.

[leaden crow]

They have Gerber files, if you could add the murata and SMA to that board, it would be amazing. Otherwise you have to do a hack job like I did on that pigtail.

[obsidian storm]

OH THEY HAVE KICAD files.

I'll just modify it and add the filter pads.

for the murata

[leaden crow]

You need to add SMA too

it will probably make it larger

[obsidian storm]

yes that too. SMA is better.

adding the filter would probably make it about this big:

[jolly goblet]

The solar capabilities would be minimal. The board has a solar connector, but it just uses the Xiao's BQ25100 charge controller--which is 100mA or 50mA. So, an external charge controller is probably a better idea.

[obsidian storm]

@real cedar do you have a schematic for a cheap/good enough charge controller I could add to it?

[real cedar]

It's not the BBS
See the BBS is responding. Guess what isn't. Default meshtastic port nums

This is meshtastic d

[real cedar]

Not on me. But you could look around for adafruits design

Pretty sure they published it

One sec

https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-bq25185-usb-dc-solar-lithium-ion-polymer-charger/downloads

Yeah they publish all their stuff

Just go add what they have to your design

1A should be enough for non 1 watt

[obsidian storm]

this is a 1W

[real cedar]

If you need more I don't really have a 3A design on hand

But the reference implementation should help you

[real cedar]

Let me look at TIs docs and see if you could make it into a higher amp design

[obsidian storm]

soldering the bq25185 will be a pita

[leaden crow]

OK, that's not my point. That thing has a pathetic amount of RAM. When a system runs out of memory, you're not guaranteed what crashes. I have built enough systems to know that you are better off validating one step at a time. You don't add the kitchen sink and put it in production.

[real cedar]

I get your point but are we really gonna send him up 3 times just to figure that out? Or is someone gonna help him debug at the space first?

[real cedar]

yeah it might be. Your best TI options around 3 A charge current
• BQ25606 which has a standalone buck, 3 A, resistor-set, power-path, VINDPM.
• BQ25611D .. it's basically a BQ25606 but higher OVP rating for noisy supplies.
• BQ24133 is obsolete but cheap and robust 3 A, simple resistor setup, larger pkg.
• BQ24195(L) has I²C control, ~3 A
• BQ25895 has I²C control, 4.5 A max, full runtime telemetry & tuning... If you want fancy

Each of these have datasheets with reference designs. How much power do you actually need?

[leaden crow]

Thats why I suggest v5.1 be as simple as possible. If he builds the exact same thing and it crashes in 1 day that accomplishes nothing.
Building a test node with your whole stack is a great idea, but try to replicate the crash with it locally, not on a mountaintop. It might be more difficult when it's not routing a metric fuckton of traffic between UT and ID.

[real cedar]

It might be best to keep BBS off a mountain top for now yeah. Also why does everyone seem to think the femto is the best. Looking at the state a station G2 uses 0.3W less power and is a billion times more reliable and can store N forward

[leaden crow]

At what point do we just get them assembled? He quoted the Adv hat assembled, that did not seem like a bad price?

[obsidian storm]

well, I'm cheap if I can do it myself...

[real cedar]

I'm fine with an rpiz power requirements.. I can build for that easily. 3S3P and a 25 watt panel. I don't think that's much to ask for a lot more computational power. It seems there's an optimization problem here. What's the sweet spot? 😆

[obsidian storm]

so I didn't even think about assembly.

[real cedar]

Mans speaking my language

😆

[leaden crow]

Man, I need to get a Femtofox. Some people have been using these things reliably, right?

[obsidian storm]

i dunno.

it was miserable just doing apt update

almost an hour

[leaden crow]

I expect that, rpi zero is frustratingly slow to me, and the luckfox is going to be worse.

[real cedar]

Arizona mesh has one running their BBS on a peak yeah

[real cedar]

Oh man it's awful

Like you'd be surprised how slow it is

It's great that it's got the kitchen sink of utils

But it's SOOOO slow haha

Like for its size and form factor.. acceptable but if this was the size of an rpi I'd tell them to go back to the drawing board 😂

[obsidian storm]

so the femtofox had a built-in UI for BBS & Meshtasticd

so I expect it's a use-case that's already been tested.

[real cedar]

Yes and the devs tested it extensively @leaden crow it's why I suspect it's something simple like.. restart as needed vs restart always

SystemD is dumb. It will restart burst.. absolutely fail at its task and then never try to restart again

At least the way most write a systemD task. I'm very well versed in it and can help mag write a more robust process

With startup delays, timers.. bursts and retry delays etc with restart always so we can make it come back online.

We can also do stuff like restarting processes periodically instead of rebooting the entire machine

[leaden crow]

That is reassuring.

[reef ridge]

I got two more, well three when I pull the other one down.

[real cedar]

Most of this stuff has already been validated and stuff
https://github.com/femtofox/femtofox/wiki/System-scripts

Here's their docs on the system scripts if you want to take a look.

Like they did a really good job of trying to make it robust for the potato it is 🤣

[reef ridge]

I'm not too sure how it works, but would it reliably be able to even reboot itself when it crashes? Or could it get stuck in a loop again?

[real cedar]

Well let me take a look at their imge

If it uses sysctl and systemD

Then it's a matter of making the process smarter

[obsidian storm]

systemctl

[real cedar]

See the devs assume you'll always have access so they never wrote the systemD process to be type forking and 4 9s reliable

They wrote it so that you could intervene

But if we are gonna make a system that has to operate without human input it needs to heal its own errors so to speak

[naive shale]

SSH over Meshtastic

(cursed)

[real cedar]

And no cron doesn't fit the bill. I've built systems that had to do this task before and cron was pitifully unreliable

😜

It's like using a hammer where you require a scalpel

[obsidian storm]

the rpi has some nice features

[reef ridge]

Lmao, I already asked about it. I was thinking it would be cool to send commands to the BBS with DMs and it could relay that as Bash commands.

[obsidian storm]

the 'reboot' watchdog in the cpu

[real cedar]

Yup

[obsidian storm]

i wonder if the RV1103 has that

I think it does

http://file.whycan.com/files/members/9058/Rockchip RV1103 Datasheet V1.1-20220427.pdf

[real cedar]

It's why I'm saying for 1.4-1.6 watts that an rpiz uses on avg isn't much to pay

[obsidian storm]

You guys should ping the fetmofox community and see if they can help you recover remotely

https://github.com/femtofox/femtofox/blob/11d6d3deda07dbf6d4b7e5e392c43b031e5fda0d/foxbuntu/sysdrv/source/kernel/arch/arm/configs/luckfox_rv1106_linux_defconfig#L2387

looks like it's enabled.

[real cedar]

That would only trigger if there was a real issue rather than a simple fact of (((pythonware))) crashing

That watchdog only applies if the CPU hangs right?

I tried most commands and things last night. She's bricked 😂.. we spammed the hell out of it tbf. Like it was unreal how many messages were going back and forth to idaho

SF

[leaden crow]

That's so amazing, it has me kind of depressed about my noise problem. Although I don't think it's just my noise problem. I think the whole valley has a problem.

[real cedar]

We will solve it dagron. You got erayd and me (RF eng full time)

Or we will overcome it with more xmitters

I still think MF is the best compromise

Just for the weaker xmitters like you said

Anyways I'll put together an rpi zero build plan and make a very high power node and I'll go put it in the drainage basin pole I have behind my place... I kinda want to prove rpi builds are possible fully off grid or get proved entirely wrong. Either way 😜

[umbral ice]

Hm. Should I just preemptively go swap MHR with a G2 before the roads close? It’ll be an easy enough change. I could house BBS at the hackerspace in twin off of a second g2. With enough compute, it could even run the LLM and all the internet based modules.

I wouldn’t have to do much I don’t think. I’ve got the Renogy load feeding a usb PD port already

[real cedar]

If you want but I do not believe it's necessary

Let us diagnose first

When does the road close

I guess if your extra worried yeah G2s are amazing

[umbral ice]

Early October from my understanding.

[real cedar]

But we need a BBS somewhere close within 1 hop

Of fpr and MHR respectively on each side

[umbral ice]

The space in Twin has had a single hop to MHR when I tested it after intially moving to LF51

[real cedar]

Also @leaden crow @obsidian storm maximum happening. I'm making an rpi node.
Waveshare 3A solar charge controller
35 watt acopower solar panel from Amazon
MeshAdv Hat
Adafruit Ultimate GPS hat
Weather Sensors
4S4P 21700 5000 mah each

Taking bets on if y'all think it will survive the winter 😂

@reef ridge

[real cedar]

Go for it. G2 MHR then

It's far more reliable

But make sure you can feed it the correct voltage and stuff

[umbral ice]

I can give it USB PD

its' already in the box

[reef ridge]

You gonna toss it in your backyard or something?

[leaden crow]

If it doesn't we will at least have a good data point for future battery and solar calculations.

[real cedar]

Yeah it will sit in a drainage basin

[real cedar]

It probably will. 4S4P is a very large pack for a rpiZ2

I want to keep it in wifi range to do better monitoring

[reef ridge]

@real cedar is FPR relaying packets still or is it completely bricked?

Nevermind, I heard LPR over a single hop and that had to have been FPR relaying.

[haughty moon]

I’m hearing some nodes through FPR, but can’t get any traces across FPR

Can you guys see CHK6 or 7?

[leaden crow]

│ 28 │ CHK4 CC56 │ !e581cc56 │ CHK4 │ T_ECHO │ l2VG5TCibHlJzL67fu67GGVGPvuMzovgLRIBn/jwulU= │ N/A │ 40.6979° │ -111.9486° │ 1310m │ 33% │ 16.85% │ 1.89% │ -7 dB │ 6 │ 0 │ 2025-09-30 09:43:36 │ 4 hours ago │
│ 74 │ CHK3 26E0 │ !bc3226e0 │ CHK3 │ T_ECHO │ 6PlxPFkex5EX5oCD2Rzw5yMyvPMD9iMrPR1Qw7gImnc= │ CLIENT_MUTE │ 40.6979° │ -111.9486° │ 1283m │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ -8 dB │ 6 │ 0 │ 2025-09-30 05:20:39 │ 8 hours ago │
│ 85 │ CHK1 4733 │ !9abc4733 │ CHK1 │ RAK4631 │ 3fhC9XbObpI/7+Z+8mdSr2bELs9fwB3qlPhQsTusqyM= │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ Powered │ 15.37% │ 0.11% │ -16 dB │ 6 │ 0 │ 2025-09-29 23:16:32 │ 14 hours ago │
│ 98 │ CHK6 339C │ !3360339c │ CHK6 │ LILYGO_TBEAM_S3_CORE │ i5F/zO8P/ahJSaF37RQ+Lo9Dy9q5qDL9eoLPwqnn4Rk= │ N/A │ 40.7110° │ -111.9617° │ 1280m │ 100% │ 20.12% │ 0.08% │ -7 dB │ 1 │ 0 │ 2025-09-29 17:09:28 │ 20 hours ago │
│ 159 │ CHK2 F1C0 │ !45ecf1c0 │ CHK2 │ HELTEC_MESH_POCKET │ Dxrn0iTPbJtXKc042rdRBrsC1s+z06xNF+wlnwM7bVo= │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ 0 │ N/A │ N/A │

[haughty moon]

Yeah that’s LF51 before I switched to SF51

[leaden crow]

oh, are you guys up north still on SF51?

[haughty moon]

I’m in West Valley, but I can see FPR

[real cedar]

Yes

We are stuck 😭

MeshtasticD won't respond

But the BBS will

Lol

[leaden crow]

I've got my fingers crossed it's not going to snow. WC1 reported low temp overnight of 5C, so hopefully too warm.

[real cedar]

It will snow. It just won't stick much

[leaden crow]

https://www.snowbird.com/the-mountain/webcams/view-all-webcams/top-mineral-basin-webcam/

[real cedar]

Definitely still rideable

Who wants to bet a meshtastic node or a miner did this 🤣
https://www.sltrib.com/news/2025/09/30/fire-burning-near-university-utah/

Jk jk

Actually wait. 😭 Rip I was joking but there's def a channel 20 node in that area of dry Creek and Bob sled

Hope it didn't get blazed

Most likely started by a cigarette though

People on bikes and hiking in that area. .. definitely one of the more common sources

[reef ridge]

I'm going to try to RA FPR one more time, just in case there's something weird going on with the keys.

[leaden crow]

I ride dry creek to bobsled a lot in the Spring. Lots of hobos living in the brush up there.
I hope it doesn't burn the vegetation around bobsled. If it did the erosion could completely ruin it.
If it was somebodies aliexpress pouch cell on a node, that won't be good for us.

[mighty pike]

unironically maybe we should be encasing our batteries in fireproof pouches

https://www.amazon.com/Tenergy-Retardant-Charging-5-5x3-5x2-Material/dp/B09BDKG16N

[obsidian storm]

I was sceptical BUT: https://youtu.be/4Ajz9t3CYbc?si=npgOjmcjyfBp0sDs&t=540

[real cedar]

Dude if someone's using a flat pouch on a hill top node I will find them 😂🤣

God I hate it when people cheap out for a difference of less than 10 bucks lol

😑

[leaden crow]

I have been, it's cheap insurance. This one fits 2x 21700 in battery holder perfectly.
https://www.sunnylife.net/products/sunnylife-lipo-safe-bag-explosion-proof-protective-battery-storage-bag-accessories-for-flip?VariantsId=12164

[keen glen]

You might be able to make that work using mosh by fully saturating shortfast bandwidth 😆

[mighty pike]

o nice. I should start doing that for mine

though mine is just on a roof

[leaden crow]

Burning down a forest and burning down your house are both bad.

[real cedar]

@reef ridge as the sole member of the frequency 51 community that nearly died servicing a prior version of fpr.. now that we are clearly in that type of weather again dress for winter conditions. Regardless, if it's nice if there are clouds around, you won't regret the decision. I'm just going to say that to you now

[mighty pike]

yus. my cat almost burned my house down. turned my stove on for hours when I was out

[real cedar]

That Ridgeline weather can change on a dime

Long story short, I went up there. It was sunny. It was a nice day.. I was riding my bike out there. I had my snowshoes for backup because it was still early spring.. the weather rapidly changed and I was in a blizzard and clothes that would have never had me survive more than one night. I was smart enough to get down to the rain instead of the snow, but that didn't make it much better 😆 I didn't get to my car until about 4:00 a.m. That night

So now that Snow's a threat again I would definitely overdress

[reef ridge]

Sounds good, dress for success. 👍

[real cedar]

@reef ridge I spammed all the commands related to restarting stuff.. FPR IS BACK

Got a trace route

YAY

you want me to switch her over?

[reef ridge]

Yeah! Send it!

[real cedar]

Returning to long fast

[reef ridge]

Is the BBS working again too?

[real cedar]

@reef ridge It does seem to be.. I'm going to work on switching over... What you should probably do is go into the femto fox thread and tell them what your use case is and even though it's outside their recommended use case that you would appreciate figuring out how to make the process more failure, resistant and self-healing

See what they say first and then we'll work on it at the space.

I still think we should put the new version up with a more robust watchdog

[umbral ice]

Just seeing stuff coming back here

[real cedar]

Noice

OH BALLS

I forgot to switch back the hyper aggressive settings

Brb

[umbral ice]

LOL

[real cedar]

@reef ridge So.. this is what the settings should look like for a router. We should have this in our documentation. I think we do. I switched it over from core port numbers only to All for rebroadcast mode.. routers once every 24 hours they will send out their node info. And there's your posix time zone for our area

[real cedar]

Fixed 😂

[reef ridge]

Yeah, I had it set aggressively so it could be discovered quickly. What does setting the time zone do?

[real cedar]

Tells the device it exists in mountain time so if you ever attach GPS or an RTC to it you keep the right time zone and accurate time

[reef ridge]

Ah, so not much for now.

[umbral ice]

Just finished work. I'm gonna go and move ISR back from SF to LF51

@naive shale whenever you get a chance to move MHR back go for it.

[umbral ice]

ISR and my nodes are back on LF51

[naive shale]

I will get do that after dinner

[real cedar]

Excellent. I await this cuz I have to reset my keys

People or me made low entropy lets

So I need all the node info before I hit that button

Then the next person that has a low entropy key. They are switching LOL

Not me

Such a PITA

[naive shale]

I’ve already switched mine, just need to RA in with my old key and reset its nodedb for it to apply

Then I can cycle our backup third key back in

[prisma saddle]

hmm dumb question. what is that?

so we got all back on lf 51 now?

[umbral ice]

Old versions of meshtastic had issues with keys not being random enough and there ended up with lots of dupes. Was it 2.6 or so that they fixed it?

[naive shale]

2.6.11 fixed it (for newly generated keys)

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/security/advisories/GHSA-gq7v-jr8c-mfr7

[prisma saddle]

thanks for the explanation

[real cedar]

There was an issue on old versions of mesh firmware that wasn't random enough resulting in key reuse. There's also a key reuse check now and a delay to turning on the radio and stuff and generating the keys after setting the region

That update recommended that everybody regenerate their keys. Yeah developers listen. There's people with unattended infrastructure nodes on giant mountains damn it.. 😆

That was one of two updates that really rustled my jimmies

So @naive shale @umbral ice @radiant wasp fun fact. On freq51 .. my router AUR is direct hop from FPR which is our interlink. It has a BME688 on the rak and you get weather updates of salt lake City every 30 mins

If your curious to see what it's like out here

[radiant wasp]

show it off

[naive shale]

Welp… not getting any responses from Harrison

[real cedar]

One sec

[naive shale]

Hmm… I have an idea actually

[umbral ice]

ISR has a bme680 and its one hope from MHR lmao a little bit of weather trading

[naive shale]

Since my new keys are there I should be able to load them onto a better node and access it that way

[real cedar]

Uhhh oh. Did it go to sleep with all the lack of activity?

[naive shale]

Your guess is as good as mine!

[real cedar]

Our AQ is shit cuz someone set our hills on fire and AUR is nearby

[radiant wasp]

thats cool. and i wish i could set up a few weather station nodes. since i think that would be cool to have

[umbral ice]

If you need to and can wake it up, turn off sleep

[real cedar]

I'm a telemetry whore. Haha I want bme68x on every infra node

@obsidian storm I SO want one on NPR

I want to see that -30 in winter

Come on

😂

[umbral ice]

Danskin has one too.

[radiant wasp]

i can't blame ya because all that data is just cool

it's neat to be like "I am an information GOD!!!"

[umbral ice]

I want the Drobot weather station on the SSL space in Twin with the G2 that's there

That + enough computer for BBS + the LLM would be super neat

[real cedar]

I just think being able to have scientific data across our entire mesh and state from weather to soil moisture would be a VERY good cover story

[umbral ice]

Soil sensors is a neat idea. I like data haha

[naive shale]

Good news, I can hit it with my not t1000e

[radiant wasp]

a soil sensor for moisture is just a humidity sensor aimed down

[umbral ice]

There a radiation sensor we could use for the big southern butte node? Lol

Like a Geiger counter

[radiant wasp]

a radiation sensor would be funny

[real cedar]

You know you joke but I know I e

One

If you want to write the software for mesh to support it

[radiant wasp]

add a smoke detector hahaha

[umbral ice]

I mean, I’m half serious at least

[radiant wasp]

though for idaho, a smoke detector node would be a bad idea

[real cedar]

Hold my beer

[radiant wasp]

holding

[umbral ice]

Every trail cam node also needs a motion sensor

[leaden crow]

I have the only node on here in Utah. I should try and get that in my Meshtastic telemetry
https://radmon.org/index.php

[radiant wasp]

a trip wire is just a physical motion sesnor, that only works once

[real cedar]

https://www.dfrobot.com/product-2547.html?gad_source=1&gad_campaignid=22388643497&gbraid=0AAAAADucPlCvNzn24_-izdBR6sC9O52k5&gclid=CjwKCAjw_-3GBhAYEiwAjh9fUK3sAa22z0djy8eH3tlMllQz-bcDvmDNAWOZMIFXoQzqb2Q51wGOiRoCNbAQAvD_BwE

[umbral ice]

I’m an integration guy. The closest to writing software I get is power automate haha

[radiant wasp]

for shit and giggles you sould put something radioactive near it

so on the map you glow red

[naive shale]

Anyone got yellowcake?

(For legal reasons this is a joke)

[radiant wasp]

i'm not legally allowed to say

[real cedar]

🤣

[reef ridge]

100 old smoke detectors.

[real cedar]

He says to the guy building an autonomous drone

[radiant wasp]

time to make a boy scout nuclear reactor

[radiant wasp]

yes.. autonomous drone. yes defintily not a missile

[inner jay]

If they can make one for my flippers gpio I'm sure it can work for the mesh

[real cedar]

I'd have to upgrade its EDF (it's a fixed flying wing)

😆

[umbral ice]

When you get it done and feel like building another let me know and I’ll buy it from your Etsy store LOL

[radiant wasp]

though fun fact it's legal to make a missile, even an anti aircraft one. and own it. so long as no boom. since for some reaction kinetic impact isn't a proble...

[real cedar]

LOLLL that might be a while. Autonomy took out 7 prototypes

One got vaporized by (not saying where) electricity

[radiant wasp]

high voltage lines goes zeus on it hahaha

[real cedar]

I mean. I know how to make 3d printed boom boom

[real cedar]

BBBBBBVVVVVVMMMMMMMMMMM POP CRACK

[radiant wasp]

in all fairness i feely everyone does. not exactly complex stuff.

[real cedar]

"welp we are getting that one back bro"

[radiant wasp]

still atleast it didn't almost take your head over because you didn't double check the balance

[real cedar]

It really isn't which is the sad part that we would get in trouble

[inner jay]

Tannerite lawn gnomes

[umbral ice]

Is MHR on LF51 again? @naive shale

I see bash

[real cedar]

That said I have a recipe for a RCS reducing coating/paint 🤣 and that one I stumbled upon accident. And yes I do plan to try it. We will take it to the lab and see what it does

[radiant wasp]

drops strike anywhere matches in a sealed container. hahaha

[naive shale]

I’m still fighting it I think

Unless it magically decided to work without me knowing it

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/kaboom-rico-yes-rico-kaboom-gif-24767016

[real cedar]

Is MHR broadcasting its fixed location? I'd love if it did

[umbral ice]

It should be yeah

[radiant wasp]

me looking at water "you are a mighty fine explosive"

[umbral ice]

Yeah its on LF51 again loool

[naive shale]

That would explain why it stopped responding

[umbral ice]

Wtf is that single hop back to me in my living room

[naive shale]

Good thing you noticed because it would’ve taken me a while

[naive shale]

Hoooollly balls

That thing is a beefcake

[radiant wasp]

route tracing is a mysterous force of nature i don't even think the mesh devs fully understand. why is the out 6 hops but the return 1. who knows

[real cedar]

Number of hops doesn't matter. As long as it gets there and back 😆

[inner jay]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-action-fantasy-journey-hobbit-gif-3417019

[umbral ice]

I don't care if it goes backwards as long as it makes it lol

[real cedar]

Can you trace bash now

[umbral ice]

Trying but I didn't think FPR was moved over.

[real cedar]

It is

It's on long fast

[umbral ice]

Oooh

[leaden crow]

I haven't looked at this in years, just runs, but I have seen people go off the charts. I'm sure they're doing just that.

[naive shale]

Moment of truth: will my new keys work?

[real cedar]

Oh shit @jolly goblet move to client now that Francis is up

I gotta do the same with C6C

[leaden crow]

It's funny the stuff you can test with it.
Like my radon is not super high, but if I pull my furnace filter out, it's radioactive. Not crazy like uranium ore but makes the geiger counter go buzz

[real cedar]

I forgot lol

C6C is now a client

[naive shale]

Just reset node db on Harrison so hopefully my new keys will work

Currently not cooperating but I assume that’s because it doesn’t know I exist yet

[real cedar]

Otherwise you'll consume hops KR1P

[umbral ice]

@naive shale imotep has my key :/

[real cedar]

@umbral ice y'all still trying to switch?

[umbral ice]

We are swapped back to LF51

Not getting traces out passed mhr still, but I'm seeing your alls nodeinfo at least so far

[real cedar]

That's probably why you're not getting traces. I would just leave it alone

If you're getting all the node info that's all coming across one link and it's going to take a minute

Mhr is probably getting slammed

😆

Especially on long fast since it's so darn slow

[umbral ice]

My trace routes here are sooo slow now that I’ve had a taste

[naive shale]

fml

So you must be using a key generated on a pre-2.6.11 version?

Imhotep is quite outdated iirc

so I'll need to update it and regen the keys

[umbral ice]

Nah it’s new one I thought the node is pretty new at least

But maybe I pulled it over

It’s possible

[naive shale]

Is that Zero? or a different one?

[umbral ice]

Yeah zero

Well I renamed it to Malice now

For simplicity

[naive shale]

If it was on RAK's firmware and you updated without a factory reset it'll more than likely still be on the screwy keys

[umbral ice]

It probably was because I moved it over from a different node. I’ll regenerate it and will just have to fix it this week

[naive shale]

rip

well, assuming I get back into Harrison you'll just have to let me know your new public key and I can drop it in there

Gonna be a massive PITA for Danskin though

[umbral ice]

Can get that one when we deploy Bennett or Davis

The SxS is still on the trailer ready to go back out. Still need to fix the antenna mount on DMR tho

[naive shale]

Wonder if you could get a fender washer around both sides of the connector so it has something to clamp down on

IDK how that would affect the connection though

[umbral ice]

MHR is indeed getting hammered can only imagine that ch util isn’t gonna calm down for a min

[obsidian storm]

I mean

FPR is back, so that woke the network back up

[real cedar]

Guess who broke is 3 kg filament spool respooler.. this guy
😑 9 hrs better be worth it for ASA this time. Did PETG last time

[real cedar]

ROFL longfast eats glue in the corner

give it some hours

[real cedar]

I feel your pain

Working on the same thing

[haughty moon]

You know they sell that for 20 bucks… and it’s metal… lmao

[real cedar]

Yeah but I can just make my own for 2 dollars

Jokes on orca slicer

That 2 kg ASA was free

🤣

[real cedar]

You know it's going to be a sad day when I find a girl because if she saw that I'd be single 🤣

😆 😭

[reef ridge]

I wonder if you would have gotten a deal for the whole pallet of Nebras. 😂

[real cedar]

Oh God don't give him that idea

😆

He might do it

[inner jay]

Wow. Somehow one of my nodes pinged at over 50% util

I shut it down

[pseudo kestrel]

I saw CHK6 ~60 minutes ago

[real cedar]

Nope it's totally okay. It's because of all of Idaho coming online and every single node just saw every single node and everyone that doesn't have the node info is now all simultaneously requesting it over one link

It's going to be this way for a couple hours guys. I would just ignore the high utilization until things normalize

[inner jay]

It's weird cuz it's the only one of the three on site that is doing it

It's not even one of the Raks

[haughty moon]

I’ve wondered about this. Is it the nodes utilization or the observed channel use

[obsidian storm]

I did get a deal.

[inner jay]

Well meshsense says observed. App says just channel util

Air TX is around 1%

[obsidian storm]

Do we know who 🛜 Crown Fi is?

They're tracerouting the crap out of everything

[inner jay]

Ha! It's not me this time

[haughty moon]

Right so shutting down your node didn’t really do much

[inner jay]

Thats from the offending node when i brought it back up

[haughty moon]

What I’m saying is I think channel utilization is what your node is seeing, and then the air tx is what it’s putting out. So your node was getting hammered, but I don’t think it was hurting the network

[inner jay]

Gotcha. That makes sense

[haughty moon]

Yet again you are NOT the offender lol

[inner jay]

On a side note TANO has now been upgraded with a filter

Hardware should be on par with POTM

[obsidian storm]

@pseudo kestrel Is using quite a bit too

Meshsense with its traceroute is annoying

[reef ridge]

Does the other map not do traceroutes?

[obsidian storm]

you don't need traceroutes to get a map

[inner jay]

Map is just the location data

I turned off my traceroutes in meshsense. I just use it to see the traffic and map nodes

[haughty moon]

Yeah just do it manually every once in a while. There’s too many nodes on the mesh for the auto trace

[reef ridge]

I know, I mean does the other map app do something different to gather data about the route packets take? Or is it just a map?

[inner jay]

Which map app are you referencing?

[reef ridge]

I think Malla?

I guess what I'm asking is if MeshSense in particular is annoying for some reason of it's just the excessive traceroutes.

[real cedar]

Have I ever met rax at the space?

I can't recall

[reef ridge]

I think you were both there when I was last week.

[real cedar]

Someone needs to help me with names

I don't remember names and until the face has become familiar enough it's very difficult for me 😆

[haughty moon]

meshsense is just another client application. the annoying part is a feature that automatically does traceroutes on new nodes or when it detects a change in hops

[leaden crow]

Yes

[inner jay]

Anything going on at the space on the 9th?

[obsidian storm]

https://www.801labs.org/get-involved/events/

[inner jay]

Ooh project night

[real cedar]

Someone want to remind me what he looks like 🤣

[pseudo kestrel]

nah, I'm a mystery ❤️

I think it was you that gave me a nicer antenna and came by on your motorcycle

[leaden crow]

No that was me. This is like a game of charades. 😁

[pseudo kestrel]

I'm also face-blind as heck, so...

XD

I turned off auto trace for the moment

[leaden crow]

I wish I had bought like 100 of those Ziisor before the tariffs hit. They were $2 in bulk and a HUGE improvement over all the stock Heltec, Lilygo antennas.

[real cedar]

You know in some ways I hope that it helps the US market that this happened in the sense that now people are driven to look at us sources more often, but I just see it as just killing the economy right now at least

[leaden crow]

I agree, I do see both sides of this. I would love to have more US manufacturing.

[wet galleon]

Hey @real cedar
Should I switch my Lone Peak node to freq 51 and from client to router role?

@leaden crow i ordered one of the antennas you suggested yesterday, ill be going up there to replace it next weekend and do some climbing

[leaden crow]

It might make sense to be a router where it's placed. One dilemma we have right now is that channel utilization is so high. Any additional routers will make it a little worse.

If you know for sure it's the only thing connecting a group of nodes, I would say yes to router or router_late. The safe bet is to just leave it on client and take some time to determine (how many tracroutes are routing through it, etc).

It will still function as client. I left both WC1 and WC2 on client, although they are in a pretty different situation where they're only occasionally connecting traffic that is up the canyons. If they were actually connecting some mesh nodes in Park City, I would probably make the better positioned one router_late.

@real cedar what do you think?

[real cedar]

I want him to take the exact location and put it into hey what's that

And then show us

Then we'll be able to determine if that should be a router late or not

My guess is true. NPR is going to do a lot of the work and lone Peak should do a lot too, but I'd like to see that before we go full router

@wet galleon

That said, I would love for you to switch over. I hate to take channel 20 people away but you know it is an uncoordinated public channel

[haughty moon]

whats the status on npr?

[leaden crow]

bash gave the abc4 director of engineering a really well written proposal. right now is sounds like they are on board and may be placed on their tower as soon as the next 2 weeks.

[haughty moon]

I know theres ham repeaters up there so thats a good sign

[wet galleon]

Fair enough, ill swap to 51 and share location tomorrow morning.

No more $1000 bounty though 😂😂

[real cedar]

No I mean

[leaden crow]

It's v2 of the nebra that is on Lake mountain. If we get everything we want it will have a built in sdr like baymesh infrastructure nodes, LTE for remote admin, environment sensors

[real cedar]

@wet galleon
https://www.heywhatsthat.com/

Do a simulation for your exact spot and height

Then share the map to us here

I'm guessing it's going to be a router, but I just want to make sure first. And also we'll eventually showcase you on the infrastructure page

[obsidian storm]

And make sure you DM me some contact information

and possible allow a backup RA key on there in the event you're hit by a bus 😄

[real cedar]

Dagron and bash are good choices for the south

I'm far too north

Don't want to drive 😆 to RA

[wet galleon]

Ok sounds like a plan
Ill handle all this in the morning. Thanks guys

[leaden crow]

heywhatsthat is a little awkward to figure out.
Do New Panorama > Lat Long & Title
It's going to determine elevation, so if you try and put it in, it will stack it on the Move to highest
point within value

[haughty moon]

I was going to volunteer for Lowe Peak, but Nelson will do basically the same thing but better

[leaden crow]

Lowe might reach Eagle Mountain

[wet galleon]

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=B9HKF7XR

@obsidian storm you are actually like 300ft away as the crow flies with your guess, but wrong side of the ridge

[real cedar]

Well, do you want to volunteer for stansbury

[haughty moon]

it does a bit, if we want eagle moutain, i would go south to flat top or so

[real cedar]

Uhhh damn that's way worse than I thought @leaden crow @obsidian storm do you think we should keep it a router late instead?

Or do we make that a router? I think that maybe that should be a router late

I literally thought it saw most of the valley but I guess you're really cut off by the Ridgeline on the right side to the north

So I've got a curious question. Why not Olympus?

🤣

[wet galleon]

I could also move it to a different spot
Might be a little more visable

But would have better coverage

[haughty moon]

hows our coverage to the south

[real cedar]

So, here was my plan for Olympus and you can tell me if I'm insane

There's a lack of large trees right? Unless you go to the very high spots and you hike up a little bit behind it towards Mount Raymond, that's a spot.... But what I was actually thinking was to go a little lower on the ridge line hike down at a bit where people just don't bother to go because it's not as good of a view.. but RF wise, it's a great spot.. and then take one of those flange poles that are 10 ft long with a flange on the end that allows you to drive four anchors through it... And anchor a metal pole into the rock face

LOL

And then make a very beautifully built node with awesome stickers and leave a geocache there for someone to say hey, I've been here

That was my idea but you beat me to lone Peak so I figure either you leave it there. And will you make it a router late.. or we move it up to you guys? I don't know. I had several thoughts on this

[leaden crow]

I wonder if his heywhatsthat is off? The photo looks like the top of a ridge, but the coords on google earth are down in a valley.

[real cedar]

Go back to Reddit

There was a ridge line to the north that was prominent

[haughty moon]

I can, I was also looking at Deseret Peak, but it has the lame problem of high traffic and little to no trees

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=NLRDLMWV

[wet galleon]

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=NS67V7CX

[leaden crow]

I think if you scouted Olympus you could find either a good rock face to tapcon or a suitable tree. The saddle below the summit is full of trees. If you did go the tapcon route, I would try to just paint it stone colored and place it somewhere it isn't likely to be seen.

[wet galleon]

Ill move it to a ridge further north.
Way better coverage

[real cedar]

Go for it, use the tool and once you have decided on a spot and have gone up and deployed it there, it can probably be a router

Lone Peak router

https://freq51.net/

[haughty moon]

well whats our goal for lone peak, if we get nelson it will cover most of the valley

[real cedar]

Check our site for the documentation and how you should configure the firmware

[leaden crow]

GTS801 has the right idea keeping it away from hikers. The summits of both Olympus and Deseret I'm sure it would get removed.

[real cedar]

Or it might not. Some hikers are douchebags others are not. It really depends but unfortunately Utah has attracted to California hippie type asshole out here and we kind of have to deal with those types which sucks

[wet galleon]

Check this coverage out
Just one ridge over.
Way better.

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=NS67V7CX

[real cedar]

Yes, move it there

And make it a router

https://tenor.com/view/make-it-so-picard-gif-5445593

[umbral ice]

So close to seeing MHR lol

[leaden crow]

Honestly, it's great to have redundancy, but what we really need is a node to serve Downtown and the U better. POTM 2.0 will help a lot with the area Lone Peak is covering

[real cedar]

He would have to move it more Eastward probably and higher elevation

If you guys want to get into the DMs and try to see if you can perfect it go ahead

[wet galleon]

Im gunna move Lone Peak
And place one at the VA on too of a building i manage
Between those two it will cover the entire valley

[leaden crow]

I would look around on Google Earth, but it's so hard vs scouting irl. I feel like you figure out an area on Google Earth / heywhatsthat, and the scout around once you get there.

The same problem I had on Wasatch Crest and why it took me 2 years to place 2 nodes.

I think you could also hit Eagle Mountain. It would make the 2 people with nodes there really happy. 🤣

[wet galleon]

https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=M1CINX77

this is the coverage map for the VA node I want to place.

[real cedar]

@leaden crow AUR is configured

We gooch

I can reset let's for umbriel

[real cedar]

My buddy has it nearly built

I would keep that a client for sure

Is there any other ideal location at the University which is higher up may be closer to the hospital

[leaden crow]

Honestly, I think that will supplment AUR really well, it should connect the aves that AUR doesn't reach well

[leaden crow]

We need to ask @vital hemlock before you place at the VA. He may be close to placing a node at the U. That would make it redundant.

Honestly if we have both choices, we evalute which is best.

[wet galleon]

Sounds good to me

Kk logging off
Will chat with everyone tomorrow, thanks for all the input guys!!

[real cedar]

It really wouldn't be redundant

2 clients is fine

Neither is a Candidate for router lol

So I'd def be okay with people placing a lot of well placed outdoor clients

Especially in the city in the core of the city where I spend a lot of my time.. if we could get quite a view strategic clients up basically once every block or two on Street lamps and various infrastructure which is something that I'm trying to do... I would love it because once you enter the actual core of the city you basically can't talk on the network

But I need City nodes like as in I need things that blend in with what city people expect?

And I need them placed high enough so that some homeless shit doesn't try to vandalize it 🤣

[haughty moon]

can we add the hey whats that links to the freq51 page? the coverage is so big you loose detail lol

[real cedar]

That was on purpose to prevent the internet rando from hunting our transmitters

[haughty moon]

ah ok

[real cedar]

I would just use the phone book to DM The router owner and I'm sure they would give you the link

[haughty moon]

ill just do it manually. Phone book? did i miss the link?

[real cedar]

Ask bash for it

[leaden crow]

I think it's:
https://meshbook.freq51.net/
but it looks like it's down rn.

[real cedar]

@haughty moon did you want to volunteer for stansbury? You would be doing us a huge favor for everybody in Tooele. We need a router late near its peak or at its peak. A metal pool would do. I would keep it out of sight of the gun nuts that like to go out there

Thing it really does not need to be anything fancy. Honestly, a xiao node would be enough

A rak is a good alternative

A heltec t116 nrf52 based heltec is probably okay as well

I'm biased towards the rak because you can attach a really nice weather sensor to it and that would be an awesome place to grab some weather

I would love to know how cold the air is coming off the lake in the winter. And it a would give everybody in Tooele a rough weather report

[haughty moon]

Yeah I’m down for something on that mountain range. So I bought a couple of raks and got Ethernet modules for them but then later found out that Meshtastic Ethernet fully doesn’t work with non ESP32-S3 devices…. I want to find another use for them and need to find something that will work for my rooftop node

[real cedar]

So you probably don't need GPS, although I do like having accurate time.
that's said I would grab one of these
https://store.rokland.com/products/rak-wireless-rak1906-wisblock-environment-sensor-bosch-bme680?srsltid=AfmBOop9nKiRKb78YGkHL__Glfauy3Uqk5aLBDFJL3Hyfox2TQAV4nOI

Join the telemetry horde

Hahaha

Make a little baffled nipple for it on the case so that moisture can't just blow right in

Make another baffled nipple that can be a drain because you'll need it.. and I like to overbuild the battery pack. You don't need to

[leaden crow]

That one is going to be difficult to hide. I think it would be a good candidate for tapcons into a rock face somewhere subtle. The real question is can we get a desirable LoS down on a rock face vs setting a post?

[real cedar]

I don't think you're going to want to hide it. If someone vandalizes it that far out, oh well

Put some stickers on it. Do what I did with aur. You'll be fine. Most people really don't touch these things

https://www.adafruit.com/product/6106

I also tend to ditch the stock mppt on the rak

Adafruit makes a really efficient mppt and it's a true mppt

[obsidian storm]

We should get you a gpio Labs filter too

[leaden crow]

Do you have a cheap option for an anemometer that would actually survive heavy weather? I do think that would make 99% of people leave it alone.

[real cedar]

I don't know about cheap but I know about one of them hang on

https://www.dfrobot.com/product-1114.html?srsltid=AfmBOoqUHKryi2D4tPRCThGI7Mm5eZ36RCcaNFyyOTxkM810rXEU_OHH

[obsidian storm]

it's back online @haughty moon

[real cedar]

The df roboto will survive since it's IP65

Here's the caveat you need an ADC. So you need to find a board that board would support in order to have the wind sensor if you actually want to use it

What I would do is I would look into the meshtastic supported devices and see which ADC they are using and then I would use that with the DF robot

I'm actually doing something funny. I have a small three-phase generator. Like extra tiny. But it can put out about 24 W or so of energy if spinning at an optimal speeder faster.. so I'm 3D printing an anemometer and a gear reduction belt drive (low friction)

I've done this before and I've actually managed to generate about 15 watts of power during moderate wind

So I can basically charge a device off what looks like a cup anemometer 🤣

I don't know how reliable it would be forever or during extreme temperatures, but I find the whole concept funny. I mean imagine you're passing by this thing and you think it's a fucking weather station.. but no, that's actually it's wind turbine

https://a.co/d/2UOIG7M

They are basically these. Mine are a bit larger

LOL

Then all you got to do is design the cups so that they are actually big enough to scoop enough wind to generate the torque

Believe it or not you're actually better off with two instead of three. But three is an acceptable compromise to look normal

I like doing mad scientist things

The circuit is pretty simple.. you take that output and you put it into a full bridge rectifier.. a small one. You take the output of that and you put it into a solar mppt 🤣 and it handles the rest for you

For the meme.. I should do an official xiao node that is powered purely on wind.. I'll go stick it in Ogden canyon or something

Where the wind is always blowing

[haughty moon]

😂 lets go full send on the weather station lmao

[leaden crow]

You should upgrade the meshtastic cli on that. I'm guessing it shows all the XIAO clients as Unknown Hardware because it's an old version.
Also, I could never get PIP3 to update properly. If you switch the PIPX instructions here:
https://meshtastic.org/docs/software/python/cli/installation/?install-python-cli=linux
Under 'Using pipx as an alternative to pip3'
It was easier to keep your stuff updated. You just run
pipx upgrade-all
pipx also takes care of all the annoying manual venv stuff.
If you do that unstall with pip and reinstall with pipx. I would install contact that way too

[real cedar]

I'm trying to make this for the generator idea. It's called a savonius rotor. It's far more efficient

[real cedar]

I would stick to the rak and adafruit mppt and soshine solar panel and rak1906 bme680

Keep it simple

Get it up there. If someone vandalizes it, then we'll worry about making it look realistic

I think that's a smarter and faster approach.

[leaden crow]

That construction actually looks really nice for the price.

[real cedar]

It's not bad. I'm just saying it's going to be a little bit more difficult to implement and actually usefully send that data over the mesh

If you want a full send that and figure out how to do it I'm sure it wouldn't take too much. I just really should be doing homework right now

🤣

[haughty moon]

Alrighty down the temetry rabbit hole I go

[obsidian storm]

It pulls the data from:
https://github.com/liamcottle/meshtastic-map

So that's what needs to be updated.

i just query the api for that tool

[haughty moon]

so you dont just use the usb from the solar panel? You do Solar panel -> adafruit usb and then adafruit 5v out to what? Rak solar input?

[real cedar]

No I splice

So what I typically do is:
Adafruit MPPT --> Battery --> 0.22 ohm resistor --> Device

This keeps the MPPT from reading the load but also gives you a battery voltage read out with minimal drop

[ember torrent]

Do it!