US - Utah

[prisma saddle]

sweet

[real cedar]

Yeah it's a simple mppt dropped into a circuit with a linear control loop and a boost converter
https://www.ti.com/product/BQ25185

It's 97%-99% efficient in comparison to the cn3791 models

Which top out around 86-90.. mostly because they are a linear MPT not an MPPT and a linear charge controller

If you add a large load smoothing cap like a rubyconn low esr electrolytic it actually becomes more efficient lol

[prisma saddle]

ight ordered some

[white field]

okay, I'm finally maybe planning a trip to the Henries.

mega links soon!

[white field]

nag nag, anyone plan to fix the NPR node?

My girlfriend and I are gonna go do the Henries node this weekend. Might also stop in to hike up to check on solar:4 on Mary's Nipple.

[real cedar]

I'm putting up Lowe and then putting NPR in client mode

Once I upgrade it firmware

I'm finally getting bit of a lul in my schedule

July was retardedly busy for me

Optionally. I can leave NPR as a router but seeing as we will have Lowe does that make sense

[white field]

client NPR

I need to migrate onaqui to client too

or remove depending on what goes up this summer.

[real cedar]

Excellent. I will do that

[real cedar]

I still think it's in a good and useful spot if you can get it in a better spot that would be great. Lowe will probably be OP as hell

Also

How are we getting the signal past the stansbury mountain range as a whole

[leaden crow]

Do you have a filter for NPR too? If you're hiking up to it to update, might as well

I'll buy the filter if you want, it will probably benefit me to have it in place on NPR, even as client

[real cedar]

I mean yeah I do. I just need to bring a whole slew of conversion adapters up and hope I have what I need

I think I honestly to God will just pedal bike up the road

I'll stand on my bike to get up the pole 😂

Rufio and I have really good clipless bike setups.. our feet are linked into the bike pedals themselves so it might be my easiest way since I can balance on it very easily

[leaden crow]

Is the road to Nelson gated? I realize bikes can get around gates, was just curious.

[white field]

so I've been reading the firmware recently on throttling

apparently there's a ton of "online node" throttling thing that ramp up after 40 nodes. and the factors are kinda large.

We are trying to run a ~1000 node mesh at Burning Man and we are seeing that the telemetry will be delayed by: userConfiguredInterval * 9.6

It doesn't get any slower tho after 255 nodes

[leaden crow]

I wonder if it's the same for the custom builds the use for Defcon and Hamventon? Have you looked at what they're doing to scale on those builds?

[white field]

I think its the same firmware settings.

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/pull/7505/files

I just pushed this change, there' s this compiler flag for building the event firmware.

[real cedar]

Yeah it is lol

[real cedar]

Ugh... Does that change on short fast or is it universal

[white field]

oh that settings is when we have EVENT_FIRMWARE set in the compiler

only special firmware will get that much throttling.

its per the number of online nodes and the router settings. We just have really aggressive throttling with that many users.

[real cedar]

Ahhh okay that makes sense. Then I wonder why I keep getting new node notifications on our long fast network

Like I'm constantly seeing npr and others

[pseudo kestrel]

low memory devices apparently can't store more than ~80 devices in their nodeDB

I've taken to manually pruning mine every couple days

[real cedar]

Oh is that it

All right, I'll just disable the notifications then

They're annoying is all freaking get out

It should have been a silent notification from the get-go

[prisma saddle]

ya been adjusting the app settings to kill off old ones auto.

kinda helps.

[pseudo kestrel]

settings for auto-prune where? 👀

[prisma saddle]

iphone.

[pseudo kestrel]

Android 😢

[prisma saddle]

ah ya tablet does not have that either :(.

[real cedar]

You know the fact that the Apple app gets the most attention gets old

Like if you're going to support two platforms, make the features equivalent

That's just bad ux

[prisma saddle]

I agree. having to go back and forth between the two for diff features drives me nuts

[real cedar]

Hey I'm just a person in industry who engineers stuff. What do I know 😂

[umbral ice]

By contrast, I'm just a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy and now I have access to Southern and Eastern Idaho Verizon towers with grid power 🤣 😂

And apparently, the Boise Verizon tech would be hella interested, so might be able to work that angle too lmao

[prisma saddle]

hmm they know any contacts in utah for the same?

[umbral ice]

I'll ask, a lot of the locations that these towers have aren't ideal, but there are a few nice ones. Baldy and Picabo for getting up in to Sun Valley will be nice.

[real cedar]

It's unlikely that many cell towers in the wasatch range would yield us much use .. we need contacts with the VHF society and others and MTA that controls some of the tower sites.. if anyone knows who to talk to for that

[real cedar]

All cleaned up and ready for a trip to NPR

Ceramic coating a bike really helps clean it up

steep hill

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-pathetic-as-hell-tyler-perry-madea-madeas-farewell-too-bad-gif-18251476

Come on google.. you could have just said moderate climb 😆

20 miles.. round trip 18.6 miles. Up and down 4000 ft.. spanning 9.3 miles each way. That's an 8% grade. That ain't shit 🤣

NPR getting fixed before LOWE if I get a free weekend probably not this Saturday cuz I got obligations

Actually. Maybe... MAYBE sunday

Depends how tired I am from Saturday haha

@hallow dagger You know your router. I've got a bunch of conversion adapters here. What do I need to add a filter. I'm guessing I need a wrench to remove your existing antenna.. then maybe a sma inside to N bulk head on the outside?

Help me out here imma be standing on a bike on a pole doing this 😆

[hallow dagger]

NPR is like POTM with a U F.L1 to N type female bulkhead. And yeah just nuts on a u-bolt. I think it’s 1/4” but I have another one lll double check.

[prisma saddle]

crosses fingers.

[real cedar]

I'm tossing in vice grips and a adjustable wrench just in case.

Throw me what you expect I'll need and I'll dig around for it all

[hallow dagger]

I imagine you’ll probably have to go u.fl to sma to connect to the filter, and then sma to an n-type bulkhead.

[real cedar]

Got it.. checking my stores 😆

[hallow dagger]

And appears the nuts on the ubolts are actually 10mm

[real cedar]

Will I actually need to remove the box to work on it?

Also should I upgrade the antenna?

Should I put a big 8.5 er on there

[real cedar]

I gotta stop by the space tonight and get Lowe's mounting kit

Thanks @leaden crow

@maiden wraith update me. Status of FPR replacement?

[real cedar]

Hell yeah. No worries. Not pressuring or anything just curious.. I know the same thing happened to me haha 😂

[prisma saddle]

Fems just shipped. !

yours @umbral ice

[umbral ice]

Yep!

Too bad I’m back in the northeast and won’t be able to get to them for another week or so lol

[pseudo kestrel]

I cannot recall, do we have a coverage map for the SL valley?

[ember torrent]

@pseudo kestrel @real cedar
Get someone with welder, dual panel. 🤣🤣🤣

[real cedar]

I have a welder

[real cedar]

My friend also does way better structural welds than me

What would you need

Also is that extruded alum or steel

That might be somewhat close to how Lowe peak looks btw

35 W solar panel is what I'm gonna use

24 volt open circuit

I have the MPPT for it so it should dump ass tons of power into the 8x21700s powering the femtofox

[pseudo kestrel]

looks good!

perhaps a little chunky for my installation location, but there's no kill like overkill ❤️

[real cedar]

And if someone steals my solar panel I will find them and make them suck start a shotgun 😂

Jk jk

Cuz the 35 W was not cheap

https://a.co/d/clOylvz

Thank goodness dagron made very beefy mounts

[prisma saddle]

that thing is a beast.

[real cedar]

It needs to be able to fully recharge the pack in winter from a fully discharged state

In the same day

According to historical data the abandoned tower there sees a lot of cloud cover in the winter

This makes sense though

[prisma saddle]

ah so def needed.

[real cedar]

It's at the edge of the oquirrhs

[real cedar]

That's basically what I'm thinking and hey if it's overkill great. We have a never ever die router node with a gigantic shield on top of it to guard it from hail

[prisma saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/300-spears-shield-sword-gif-13738007

[real cedar]

@hallow dagger This is going to sound counterintuitive but can you remote into NPR from where you are at and turn off boosted RX gain in the meshtastic settings?

I'm working on a theory that I've seen time and time again, and I've also seen published on the station G2 documentation

For extremely noisy RF areas

In theory, turning that off may offer us a break from oversaturating the radio as we will add less gain and potentially make things more stable. It's worth a try

[white field]

So apparently I have signal to solar:3 from
70 miles away

I’m loving this road network near strawberry reservoir. Amazing views

[real cedar]

Long fast can go super super far. Haha

Pretty nice views tbch

[real cedar]

@leaden crow hey.. in meshtasticD.. if I want to connect to a node via wifi I cant find the line in the documentation

how would I do it

I have a stationG2 id like to add to the meshtasticD VM

im assuming theres a TCP mode not just spi and stuff

[leaden crow]

No, Meshtasticd is only spi. Including the USB devices with no mcu (They have CH341 usb > spi)

[real cedar]

Damn how do I get things to work over wifi with the station gè

G2

[real cedar]

Ooof I'll have to do this with a pi then

[pseudo kestrel]

is the 51chat channel dead?

[real cedar]

51chat?

LongFast is fine. Just nobody is talking right now.

Summer and vacations and all

Haha

[real cedar]

I had no idea. Probably why I never used it 🤣

[pseudo kestrel]

💔

[hallow dagger]

Sounds reasonable actually. I'll give it a shot later this week when I;ve freed up some time.

[real cedar]

Excellent. This will be a good test for dense urban environment routers

Best part is .. it still has no filter

So it's a raw test

[leaden crow]

You realize if it completely fucks up NPR, you're definitely on the line to go up there and fix it. 😁

[real cedar]

I'm going up there anyways

😆

On pedal bike

For fun

[vital hemlock]

I was down at the Henry Mountains last week. Wished I had thought to have brought a router with me. 🤦‍♂️

[cloud lodge]

Thanks for the sentiment. I was the one who attempted to start 51chat. Frankly, I was shocked by the pushback from the cool kids on this channel. Try again if you wish. Maybe a few more people will join this time?

[prisma saddle]

PLaying with one of the femtofox i got yesterday. so far pretty cool

[hallow dagger]

I couldn't get my 2.x node to use legacy mode to admin NPR. I'll have to dig up another board and install 1.x and try again. If you have a 1.x node handy I can toss you the key if you'd like to try.

[real cedar]

I do not have such a node. Good luck. Worst case this will wait until I go up there on bike

But I'm trying to keep my time free for the unexpected moments that keep cropping up rn

[real cedar]

I think it's a good idea. I don't have much push back against it @cloud lodge ... Infact I think once we get 51 to short fast and the bulk majority of the network changes work. We should delete LongFast altogether and make a Freq51 main channel that controls us all seeing each other on the network rather than LongFast AQ=00

I want a fully 256b encrypted network. No point to not doing so

I never a fan of "keep it to the lazy defaults" 🤣 but that's just me. I like to experiment and prune things. I'm also by default always going to prefer strongest encryption to reasonable encryption. It's how I host my web servers. I straight up didn't even care I broke compatibility. TLS 1.3 only

😆

[vital hemlock]

Sharing the key here is the same as the published AQ==

That is a large part of why I continue to use the default, along with private channels

Everyone can do whatever they want, that's the beauty of the project. If some of us dont find the value in your idea, but you do, do it anyway. If we dont chat in the channel it's not because we think we're cooler, we just didnt think it was necessary. But you did, and others might.

Getting rid of the default channel does nothing really, it just deafens us to those that find the group. If you want to disable relaying messages from unknown channels the value of the routers plummets immediately too. What am I missing?

Man, I sound grouchy today.

[real cedar]

Wait

Hang on

Routers can rebroadcast a non decoded message

How would this stop anything?

Unless I'm missing something

I think the idea was solely to offer better encryption not to be exclusive. I could be wrong but a lot of other meshes did what is described like.. Puget mesh. I don't think it reduces the value of routers haha

Oh I see @vital hemlock

That's dumb but I guess if that's how the firmware works then you are correct

We gotta leave LongFast as all of our primaries to have a properly functional 51 mesh

[real cedar]

Sorry I didn't know.. didn't mean to trigger any grumpiness 🤣

[vital hemlock]

I thought you meant removing the default channel either from our radios, or from repeating on the routers.

The former would leave us deaf, but undisturbed, the latter would be...less ideal. It could have just been my misunderstanding.

Once upon a time the channel zero was used for all telemetry. That's why many of us have that channel slot set to non-default LongFast. I believe it there is a push to have a setting for which channel you desire for it.

Most of my nodes are non-default slot zero. But they will still populate the map if someone requests location, because anyone on that channel can decode it, and note it.

[real cedar]

No I really didn't want to remove LongFast as much as I wondered if we encrypted that primary channel what would it do. The key would still be public and we would have it in the docs but now I see there are special implications

Yeah that

That's exactly what I'm reading

[vital hemlock]

👍

[real cedar]

@cloud lodge so your channel idea is great.. anywhere but index 0 .. we still need LongFast as a channel in general

[vital hemlock]

If we were really going to make the mesh optimized we'd need to quarterly go through the new settings or changes and decide how we want them configured for each role.

Ideally, even terestrial nodes that are not routers would "not" repeat unknown channels. That way it lowers utilization for private channels.

etc etc

[real cedar]

Well I'd actually be against rhat

I want my private channels to get repeat

And will happily repeat others

Without decoding

[vital hemlock]

I agree, I dont want you to fee crapped on @cloud lodge . I don't use meshtastic for radio buddies to talk with, so I dont need the other channel; but a lot of folks do, and I respect that.

[real cedar]

Otherwise my entire project on the network is moot

And I'll end up having to move freqs

[vital hemlock]

I mean the non-routers

[real cedar]

Well those help a lot especially in dense zones like the city

[vital hemlock]

you dont need my roof to repeat your private channel if we have three highly placed routers do you?

[real cedar]

Not usually but in the city you do. Sometimes you can't get a signal out and there's only one client that can see you in between the buildings

[vital hemlock]

Fair, and I'm fine with that. I guess I mean, what are the defaults for new radios, if you dont know better.

[real cedar]

Routers are great but they really aren't what bolsters the coverage the most im finding

Like if you walk around downtown salt lake like I do often. You'll find out despite our routers coverage is crap without more clients in the area haha

[vital hemlock]

Correct. And I'm honestly not about gatekeeping, folks can set them up however they wish.

There are lots of use-cases. It's the reason we've talked about a doc page, and I saw someone had started one already.

[real cedar]

Yeah I just haven't filled it out

I need to. It's just I don't always have a lot of time on my hands right now

It's also hard for me to document. Cuz I know how I understand things and I don't understand how others understand things and how I can help them a lot 😆

But I'm going to take a stab at it

[vital hemlock]

Understood. And it's a moving target. The devs get "bursty" and make a bunch of changes, we'd have to keep up. It's tough

It might help to save a few default configs to start from, based on roles; roof, mobile, hand held. Restore those from backup and change the name (and now keys).

[real cedar]

Yeah I'll do my best. I get tired of some of their sudden changes, especially when it revolves around trying to enforce a vision

They have a great protocol for the most part and they have good hardware and I think that's where they should focus on because that's the strength

In the spirit of Open source, let people do what they're going to do with their hardware

[vital hemlock]

I'll tell you, it was difficult to convince them to consider some of our use-cases. We grew suddenly, and more quickly than many of the other meshes. A lot broke, for almost a year. It took a lot of voices for the devs to see the use-case they were designing for wasn't the prevailing one any more. And it's their personal time and effort.

Kinda like handing a hungry toddler a banana to make them happy, but then they decide they'd rather hit their sister on the head with it.

[real cedar]

I totally understand. Look, I've been in the shoes of development before and a lot of the times. It's very easy to take things personally and to say this is my project my vision but you give up that right the moment you open source it and license it in any open manner. And I think people need to remember that because it's also the strength of Open source coming together and having similar use cases and maybe different use cases. And maybe something that benefits me might benefit you down the line in a way you could never understand. That kinda stuff

I tried to look at it that way all the time instead of thinking of it from users versus devs sometimes which I know it just happens

😆

Everyone's human

[vital hemlock]

We're hoping 😉

[real cedar]

🤣

[manic fractal]

I know a lot of people are putting in serious work to make the mesh better as a whole. Thanks.

I’m curious if there’s any kind of tentative timeline for switching to Short-Fast. I think there have been some tests around for different parts of the mesh. Has anyone tested it up in Davis County? For those that tested, could you hit the nodes on the peaks? I’m just curious if anyone has a report on how they feel like it went.

[vital hemlock]

I've been absent a bunch of late, are we considering shortfast over mediumfast? I'm fine with either, we probably have the coverage for it.

[real cedar]

I've been heavily pushing for shortfast

It's the most capable mode

It's what Puget mesh did

With very very little trouble

They didn't see much signal loss

Talking to them it seems you don't lose too much range at all and the short slow simply isn't worth it

[real cedar]

We have. We are waiting on @maiden wraith for Francis peak. Me for lowe peak and NPR. I gotta go fix those before we can move over but I think I'll love them both over and tell the valley to switch once things are fixed up

IF everyone's okay with that. I know that means @white field will have to run down to Mary's (I'm so sorry) 😂

[vital hemlock]

Meshtastic colors, I like it 😄

[real cedar]

Pro tip. Marine or Mil-std copper wire holds up way better as a grounding wire in the elements .. if you have any.. I recommend that for the lightning arrestor grounding

[real cedar]

That will work

I'm currently getting the metal box full of gaskets and putting a lexel bead seal on the door for the lowe peak router

And I'm trying to figure out how to power a nebra node remotely with a solar panel and power over ethernet for promontory

Does anybody have suggestions for how I might do that and how much power I'm going to need

@obsidian storm @leaden crow

Do you think a separate battery box would be wise and attached that to the pole as well

[manic fractal]

Cool. Thanks for the info. I was just curious but appreciate everyone sharing their ideas.

[prisma saddle]

Fpr up i’m guessing @maiden wraith did it go well? saw it this morning come up.

[ember torrent]

No metal enclosure?

Sure enough. I needed more zooming of the picture. Neat.

[pseudo kestrel]

is there any infrastructure on our

freq slot near Park City?

[leaden crow]

WC1 is on Silver Peak above Canyons side of PCMR, but it's not reaching anything in the valley yet, and I haven't tried connecting from PC side (it is on the West ridge, PC service might be bad)
https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=WAAH4PDL

I have WC2 built, but haven't 100% figured out placement yet. I have a couple of spots left to scout. It will mostly likely be up before winter.

[woven flame]

Saw your message at 16:12 & replied

[prisma saddle]

same here

[real cedar]

@maiden wraith how'd it go

[real cedar]

That works .. I received on all my devices including aurora Ceresia. Guess I can put that back in client mode or do you want me to leave it router late

That's fair. I'll leave it be. It's been steadily doing its job and if FPR goes on the fritz it can just take up the slack

I'm honestly surprised it's still on the pole where it is

It's buried in the forest near the Weber state nuames campus and police academy

Literally overlooking the precinct

Cracks my ass up every single time

😆

[prisma saddle]

sweet awesome work! @maiden wraith

not bad

[pseudo kestrel]

🎊

[real cedar]

My signal to FPR on my 10 dB antenna is 7 dB ROFL

Guess I know it will never broadcast my messages first ever

cuz SNR bias

[prisma saddle]

pew pew at lee kay.

[prisma saddle]

.308. sniping zombies. 🧟

[real cedar]

I'm a 300 win mag guy myself.. but can respect the 308 any day. Especially a 308 Lapua

Anyways, I'm happy to report my samples from hakadi. Battery of sodium ion batteries are legitimately sodium ion. Not only have I disassembled one dangerously and done some chemical tests with my chemistry set.. I have also tested its entire charging curb and it looks like they are legitimate cells

I've also ran it through a gauntlet in the freezer and in the oven and they do well in all temperature extremes

If you guys wanted to buy those and actually use sodium ion they might be worth buying

https://hakadibattery.com/products/hakadi-sodium-ion-18650-3v-1500mah-battery-original-rechargeable-cell-for-e-bike-power-tools-diy-12v-24v-48v-72v-battery-pack

They're fairly low capacity. They do hold up as advertised right around 1500 mah

I've only got 10 of them and I plan to use them in projects. But I just thought you guys would want to know

[prisma saddle]

nice ya. i’d take one of those too. 300 is and awesome gun.

lol

and ya. 30 cal. same as my 300 blackout.

[real cedar]

You know I like to keep my shoulders on my chest

Not a fan of the big caliber bullets

300 win mag does the job just like anything else

It does it exceedingly well at long range

I possess a Browning x-bolt stainless stalker in 300 wm

The Optics is none only then the Vortex Razor HD Gen II 4.5-27×56

I practice frequently. It would be a very bad day for someone if I was perched up on a mountain and they were looking to come hurt me 😂😂😂

But truth be told I do it mostly for fun. I enjoy the technical art of shooting long distance. IYKYK

I'm not the kind of guy to go to the range and just buzz out a ton of ammo.. I like to make every shot count and I like to go slow.

I like having money

That tends to not agree with my wallet

😆

You know when I want to have fun. I mess with explosives. It's not usually gun related 🤣

I took too much chemistry in college guys. You don't really want to know.

I do enjoy me a good BLEVE

Lots of spice. Not too much damage and shrapnel to worry about

[real cedar]

@white field hey man how's burning mesh going? Also it's cooled down a bit recently. Any news on stansbury?

[prisma saddle]

npr. or something in between. a repeater corbin we thought at one time.

[real cedar]

IDK Im seeing that a lot. Its not actually FFFF.. from what I have ascertained. When that happens to me. I go exchange meta data with Jovialis and ceresis.. and then they show up properly in the traceroute

I believe to get to FPR I do have the better LOS. so it probably hops through me

Jovialis is a Client on a balcony..
Ceresis is overlooking the weber state police academy on the hill

Did a minor storage upgrade on my proxmox server today

Lives up to its hostname now.. I have god tier storage

[prisma saddle]

ha ya saw you messing with that in 801 discord.

wow ya that’s legit. lol.

“minor”. lol

[real cedar]

I do ascii art for all my server MOTDs.. I was always into that from the old days. and yes minor. My friend has 1.5 PBs

[prisma saddle]

holy shiz. lol.

[real cedar]

I think my best ascii art was probably freya. My cloud server

[prisma saddle]

i thought my 25tb was a lot. .

[real cedar]

Dont recommend doing it unless you want the dent in your wallet

I have two raid z3s in a vdev array

[prisma saddle]

yup. i don’t have that many videos. so. lol.

[real cedar]

Bootlegs take a lot of space. but truth be told its for ML stuff

models are gigantic

[prisma saddle]

my plex is prob 4tb max.

[prisma saddle]

very cool.

[real cedar]

Im trying to get my entire jellyfin library to 4K HDR10 content and blu ray quality surround audio properly encoded..

Gonna take a while but worth having

Im estimating that will take 50 TiB

all my music I stream is lossless master quality on Navidrome... so thats a couple TiBs right there

[prisma saddle]

during covid i got bored and had 8 dell power edge severs running. since than compressed it down to 2. 720xd and 620.

good times.

[real cedar]

I like to push consumer hardware through the boundaries it was never meant to cross

[prisma saddle]

ya. lol. a bit. was so smart and had it in my cold storage lol.

[pseudo kestrel]

It is not often I feel smol O_o
(A joke because I'm 6' 2")

[vital hemlock]

A few of us use Unraid. If you arent familiar I highly recommend it. I feel it's a great alternative to proxmox and esxi. I run my storage, vm's, and dockers all from there. I still have plenty of stand alone systems too. But I've had drive failures and recovered seemlessly with unraid, I can recommend it as an end-to-end solution for home storage and vm's.

[prisma saddle]

Same here.

[pseudo kestrel]

Can Unraid do a cluster like Proxmox can?

[vital hemlock]

Nope

[keen glen]

... I probably need to downsize.

[keen glen]

Is there currently a Meshtastic repeater on the utah lake mountain range?

[pseudo kestrel]

sadness, my resources are between six machines at the moment 🙁

[prisma saddle]

there is on freq slot 20. not 51.

i think there are plans for one. don’t know eta

[obsidian storm]

I'm setting up Lake Mountain with the 1W on Wednesday

[prisma saddle]

no way!! SWEET!!!

[vital hemlock]

Sweet!

Lake Mountain is such a good spot

[prisma saddle]

aye. i cant wait for that! will bring lehi in the view near thanksgiving point.. bro lives there. is in the shadow of flight park. so cant see potm.

so this will be perfect

[prisma saddle]

sweet! you doing it tomorrow night after work?

[prisma saddle]

how much more power does a femtofox or a nebra use than say a tbeam?

[umbral ice]

I asked @real cedar and it’s like a 5000mah 21700 cell is 24hours of run time

[prisma saddle]

ight i need to get 8 more of those then.

[prisma saddle]

you have yours wired up to batteries yet? a box?

[umbral ice]

No. I’ve only been back for a few days and haven’t gotten to it yet. I have more than a few things to sift through and build out lol.

Gonna try to get to it soon. I did get an early lowmesh that made its way back to me from DEFCON tho.

[prisma saddle]

oh don’t know what that is. will have to look that up.

[umbral ice]

https://store.rokland.com/products/lowmesh-pocket-m-portable-magnet-magsafe-connecting-meshtastic-node-us-915-mhz

[prisma saddle]

ahh cool.

[real cedar]

The thing I'm not really enjoying in all of the designs that I'm seeing that are coming out and being commercialized is that they're all extremely expensive for what you're getting

Now I understand that you have to commercialize things and I've definitely taken products from cradle to grave. But dude this is supposed to be an affordable hobby 🤣🤣

[umbral ice]

Haha for sure. This one is likely going to be gifted out at some point. I like my battery bank rak19003 lol

[prisma saddle]

lots of info from all the tests and running at defcon. maybe some good will come out of it.

if you not seen it. https://meshtastic.org/blog/that-one-time-at-defcon/

[real cedar]

Yeah you know. I wish the station G2 is cheaper. It's probably one of the best. 1 W nodes that's out there

School is starting for me on August 18th so my time is going to become a little bit more limited but I will still try to get all my routers up that I committed to this year

[prisma saddle]

limited than it already is? 🙁

[real cedar]

A master's degree in what I'm doing is not necessarily easy 😆. Mixing in patent law with a masters of electrical engineering. Going to be a fun challenge to say the least

[prisma saddle]

oh nice. cool stuff though.

[real cedar]

Some things are going to free up. Honestly, what's been tapping? My time is a girl 🤣

That's going to be out of the picture here on the 15th for a bit and school's going to enter and I'm also going to get rid of a lot of the vacationing I've been doing so I should have more time

[prisma saddle]

hah ya know how that is.

[real cedar]

Sometimes priorities must be prioritized 😆

In any case, I do have all the hardware ready to go into the box for promontory and all of the hardware for lowe

Well actually what I'm missing for promontory is how to power the Libra remotely with 12 volts. I'm going to have to figure that part out.

[real cedar]

You fucking laugh Littleton Phaha but if I didn't do that I'd be in the dog house and that is not something I wanted early on 🤣

I don't think hey I've got to ditch you for my radio nerds was going to go off very well

🤣

[prisma saddle]

true that.

[prisma saddle]

smart man.

[real cedar]

I know what's good for me. 😂😂. Especially if someone's visiting from out of town in the first place.

But yeah I should have more time and I honestly think in my down time in the semester I'll have a lot of time to go take some hikes. I actually have a lot of trouble building these things

It's not the trouble from getting the electronics working. It's about 3D printing the right stuff and actually getting the whole entire box put together. That is just surprisingly a pain in the butt

God I want to make this turnkey so we can just turn them out. But there are so many different boards too and what we want to use for routers where

😆

[prisma saddle]

ya. would be nice.

[real cedar]

I have like 20 xiao nodes but I don't have any boxes for him or any setups to actually power them yet

[prisma saddle]

haha my 7 year old was looking at a node i made for my dad in grantsville. opened the lid. battery popped out. he put it back in. backwards. sparks. melted the battery spring to the battery case. scared him the rest of the night.

but he is exited to help me fix it. loves helping me soldier.

[real cedar]

🤣😭 lithium ions are powerful

Hey, at least you reached that point in life. Some of us are still unmarried 😆

[prisma saddle]

first time i’ve see that. even all my rc car and drone lipos. never happened lol.

[prisma saddle]

eh. second one. lol. grass not always greener. lol.

[real cedar]

I hate to tell you the truth bro, but kids are always The Greener side of things

Even when they're a handful

Look I've changed dirty diapers before I know what's up

🤣

[prisma saddle]

so true. wouldn’t trade them for anything. drama lama 6 year old girl. and smarty pants 7 year old boy. and 16 year old that wants nothing to do with me lately. but ya. still wouldn’t trade.

[umbral ice]

I have a dog. And a cat. I get to just be the fun uncle

[prisma saddle]

those are important too. my wife was that for 20 years before getting married. 32.

but the aunt of course. lol.

[obsidian storm]

Yup. I'll have it up after work.

Just finishing the install right now.

Just installed dietpi

[reef ridge]

Just got my first pair of devices in the mail today. Anyone up around the Ogden area?

[prisma saddle]

Looking at my node list. I dont see anyone that high up, but that does not mean there are none. Feel free to be the first! looks like we need a client or router up there to connect into the rest too.

[reef ridge]

I'd love to! But I don't know if anything I could set up on my roof could compete with you guys putting nodes on mountains.

Speaking of, looks like I've made my first contact.

[prisma saddle]

Ah ok your on freq slot 20. looks like there are some up there or something up there that is getting it up to you.

That one is actually above utah lake.

[reef ridge]

Utah lake is quite a distance, I'm surprised it made it all the way up here.

Is there some specific configuration that people in Utah are using or is the default fine? I'd like to see how many nodes are around.

[prisma saddle]

have you seen this video yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htjwtnjQkkE As for settings. I can run you through those

[reef ridge]

Not yet, I found out about LoRa a few days ago. I'll give it a watch, thanks.

[prisma saddle]

no prob. that explains more about node roles and what works best where.

[reef ridge]

So it seems that for a radio you carry on your person CLIENT_MUTE is the best option. I assume ROUTER_LATE was made for everyone incorrectly configuring their nodes as routers.

[vital hemlock]

It felt that way, at least partially. The person that coded that mode visits our channel from time to time, they may answer. Router_late fills a specific niche, mostly for nodes that are in a blind spot.

The go-to for most situation is client_mute for handhelds, client or client_mute for mobile (vehicle) nodes, client for roof nodes. We save router for actual peak nodes.

The real note is that routers repeat all messages, and are allowed to respond slightly faster than clients. Clients dont repeat messages they've already seen others repeat (mostly).

That's the low-tech explaination

[reef ridge]

Okay, so ROUTER will probably never be for me then! When I set up my rooftop node I'll set it to CLIENT.

Handheld cases finished printing, having fun with this so far.

[prisma saddle]

very cool yup client for roof and client mute elsewhere for the most part

[reef ridge]

What settings were you referring to? Are people in Utah using something besides the default long fast?

[prisma saddle]

yes. there are i think 3 major freq slots being used. the default of 0/20 39, maybe one other. and then 51 which is what most of us in this channel are on. 51 is where the most work has been done to improve the infrastructure. having routers on peaks/etc. positioned to actually work well. and not allowing anyone/everyone to use repeater/router. as much as possible at least.

I can send you screenies of what most of us use or go over them in a dm. which ever is easiest.

[reef ridge]

A DM would be great, thank you. 👍

[white field]

holy shit, I might get a link to skyline working with that one.

What's the ETA for the node going online?

[obsidian storm]

Tonight

[vital hemlock]

Which case is that? It looks like an improvement of the one I made two years ago.

https://www.printables.com/model/618828-heltec-wireless-tracker

[reef ridge]

It's the Alley Cat T114 Slim GPS shell.

https://www.printables.com/model/1315526-heltec-t114-slim-pro-gps-case

[vital hemlock]

They make great stuff, love Alley Cat. I hadnt see this one

[reef ridge]

Yeah, very easy snap-fit and it feels solid, great work without using fasteners! She also makes one for the V3 if that's what you got.

[vital hemlock]

I've got just about one of everything, I've been at this for a bit. 😄

My wife has made a number of jokes about me playing dress-up with my too many radios and three printers.

[umbral ice]

My girlfriend calls Meshtastic my other girlfriend lamo 😂

[vital hemlock]

haha, checks out

[reef ridge]

I'll get the same joke, especially when I stand there and stare at it for 20 minutes as it lays down the first layers.

I should probably thin out my HT collection also. 🫠

[umbral ice]

Nah. Only to make room for meshtastic nodes lmao

[prisma saddle]

My wife calls me a meshhead.. along with her names for all my other hobbies.

[umbral ice]

Oh no, don’t let mine hear that term lol

[prisma saddle]

lol. what about hamhead and pixelhead. ha ha..

[umbral ice]

Those don’t sound like I do anything for a fix lol. Meshtastic has been the catch all name for anything radio related. I was putting up an EFHW in my backyard and she asked me how my “metastatics” was coming along. She knows there’s a difference but just likes to rib me about it.

[reef ridge]

So if people here are using custom settings how would new people with the default config find the custom config? Besides coming here and asking, of course. while I was driving around I caught a few nodes transmitting on slot 20. Is there a way to listen on multiple slots at once? At least besides using two different radios.

[vital hemlock]

I used to occasionally broadcast a message inviting folks to come join us here

[leaden crow]

Originally when we switched last year, we sent messages on LF20 to join the Discord and about switching (to MF at the time).
Honestly it's better for us all to have more meshes as the node count grows. We originally set out to test MF and later LF51 because LF20 was too crowded.
You are right that discovery is an issue.

[umbral ice]

There are ways to help with it though - automated messaging on new node discoveries via a raspi bot or naming LF20 nodes with a URL as a name to the freq51 website

[leaden crow]

This is happening not just in Utah. Bay area has a large group on MS. Seattle is testing out other configs..

[prisma saddle]

I was on 20 for a month and got sick of it. started googling, and then looked at the meshtastic discord, and found this. was a light at the end of the tunnel

[vital hemlock]

There were a few griefers on channel 20 for a while. It would only take a handful to screw up 51 for us as well. It's the sad truth of the situation. It's been good that we found the folks we did, and we will find others through the discord that come to us because of official channels

[reef ridge]

I hadn't considered overcrowding or griefers. Guess it didn't cross my mind that people would spend money on an inherently social project just to ruin it! I found this on the Meshtastic site: https://meshtastic.org/docs/community/local-groups/ Has anyone set up a local community website?

[prisma saddle]

I think once things are figured out. the guide website that is being setup here can have all the info and use cases. etc

Maybe a state site devided with the mesh freq slots of areas. and recommended settins for tha area.etc.

[reef ridge]

Ah, so there is a website?

[leaden crow]

The other problem group were/are poorly configured nodes (too many routers) or nodes on old firmware.
There are a few specific ones that we tried contacting, to no avail. They are still up today on LF20 on old firmware configured as routers.

[reef ridge]

Makes sense, I was wondering what counted as overcrowded. I guess it only takes a small amount of misconfigured nodes to drag everybody down.

It sucks that there isn't as much activity up here though, I haven't seen any signals on slot 51 yet.

[leaden crow]

If you see channel utilization over 25% packets start getting dropped at that point

Where are you?

[reef ridge]

Middle of Ogden.

[leaden crow]

I'm surprised you don't see anything from FPR

What device(s) do you have?

[reef ridge]

T114s with the mystery meat stock antennas. What is FPR?

[leaden crow]

Francis Peak Router

[reef ridge]

Maybe sub-optimal topography? I'm at groundlevel and my house is in a flat spot almost between two mountains.

[leaden crow]

put it on your roof or up in a tree overnight

[real cedar]

All right boys after extensive testing. Capacitors are the way
.. This was using the soshine panel.. and I had a deeply discharged battery pack.. I used the adafruit BQ 27045 mppt. Some of my Rubicon caps. It charged 20,000 milliamp hour battery pack from discharge to full in a couple of days

The capacitors really help out

I think they just act as a fast sink.. to store everything and dump it in the battery slowly if the battery is rejecting some current

[leaden crow]

If he reaches FPR, it will relay all the other nodeinfo to him. Obviously would take some time for nodedb to populate

[reef ridge]

Why so little? To conserve power?

[leaden crow]

You need an antenna? The stock ones are really bad.

[real cedar]

Your bolt standard electrolytics in size

Like a c cell battery

Cr123

Now I added a small super capacitor for giggles but I doubt it had much effect other than to make the line extra smooth

[reef ridge]

Yeah, I was thinking about finding a better one, but I didn't know how good/bad my stock ones were in the first place, no VNA or anything like that.

[leaden crow]

The recommendations here are good
https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/antennas/#compact--handheld

I have tested a bunch of the Gizont and Ziisor antennas and haven't seen a bad one.

If it's going to be a stationary node, the Alfa is great for the money.

[reef ridge]

Thanks, I'll pocket this for the coming roof node build.

[prisma saddle]

ya stock on most if not all are horrible.

[manic fractal]

I work nights in Ogden. I have a hard time reaching out of the hospital though.

[reef ridge]

Cool! You operating on slot 20 or 51?

[prisma saddle]

I see yours on the map / list often. maybe you need to get a node on the roof 🙂

[white field]

Is that 1w lake mountain node going to be able to see NPR?

[manic fractal]

Yeah, I would love that. I haven’t built a solar node yet and I’m itching to try. They have a comms tower on the roof that I see every day. I just don’t know who I’d talk to for permission. Or I could go the route of just throw on a hi-vis vest and a hard hat and see what I can get away with. I leave a node in my car with an external antenna. I get out to that sometimes but then it doesn’t reach the rest of the mesh. I think it’s all the buildings and trees in the way.

[prisma saddle]

hmmm prob the tech / IT / radio dept. they would not if 915 would mess up their stuff and if not @real cedar would lol.

[real cedar]

So it will mostly depend on the equipment up there. Anything frequency adjacent will be an annoyance without filters.. anything 500 MHz away probably won't matter

[manic fractal]

Yeah, since it’s a hospital, they get really hinky about changing anything. Things have to be validated and documented and proven to not disrupt normal function of any of the other systems. They’re usually super conservative about that kind of stuff. It’s a pipe dream. I think the bigger issue is just that freq 51 is still expanding up into Ogden. I think a little more node density up north would fill in and make it easier to connect but that just takes time.

[manic fractal]

Yeah, I know you’re right. It’s just the bureaucratic attitude around trying to do anything in healthcare that’s considered outside the norms.

[prisma saddle]

i’m betting in gmrs range . 462 or so.

[prisma saddle]

yup.

[manic fractal]

Using what could be construed as hospital resources for what is essentially a personal hobby would be a hard sell. I have thought about talking to the emergency preparedness team and seeing if there’s potentially any official interest.

[real cedar]

That is usually the best way .. what you gotta do is make the play for hey I can communicate long range in the event of an emergency lol

[obsidian storm]

Lake Mountain is up

[prisma saddle]

what? what’s it called.

oh i see it!

it going to do positioning?

and i like the soon.. lol

i’m not getting anything off it yet.

[reef ridge]

I came down south to Layton because there's a giant fire and I don't have any power, and there's so much more activity!

I see that new Lake Mountain node too, very cool. 👍

My node is named Mag1, anyone see it?

[prisma saddle]

not yet.

[real cedar]

If you guys want a cheap mppt.
https://a.co/d/c9NbOwG

Renogy makes one that will let you put out 12 V to the load which is VERY useful for the Nebras.. I'm having to make a battery pack for it but it should be the cheapest way to remotely power a nebra.. with a 30W solar panel and a 3S4P 21700 pack

[umbral ice]

Can confirm they are good

[real cedar]

Yeah I have one on the patio radio system.

They work best with the 50 W panel from renogy

[umbral ice]

I’ve been powering full powered G2 off of a 16 ah lifepo4 with an Eco worthy 25 W 18 V panel that is facing south and completely vertical using that controller for the last four months or so.

Ok so almost 4 months

[broken turret]

ROUTER_LATE is intended specifically for sites that are critical in order to route messages around terrain (i.e. they must rebroadcast), but are not in an optimal location for the mesh more broadly, and are unsuitable for use as a regular ROUTER site.

It behaves like a regular CLIENT, unless it hears another node rebroadcasting the packet. If it does, then it delays its own rebroadcast of the packet until after the theoretically latest possible CLIENT has a chance to do so first. This ensures that it doesn't mess up the weakest-SNR-first automatic routing algorithm that normal CLIENT nodes use.

If a CLIENT node hears another node rebroadcasting a packet, it will simply drop that packet entirely, and will not rebroadcast it at all. That's a key difference between CLIENT and ROUTER_LATE that a lot of people seem to miss. CLIENT will drop packets, ROUTER_LATE will not.

[real cedar]

Thanks as always for coming in with the clarification

[broken turret]

No worries 🙂. I regularly search the whole discord server for mentions of ROUTER_LATE. So if you want me to show up, that's the magic invocation 😂

[real cedar]

Bro be careful giving that out. Next thing you'll know people will just start randomly mentioning it. It's the internet after all 🤣

[prisma saddle]

can anyone trace lake?

[real cedar]

Is lake mtn officially up

[prisma saddle]

@real cedar

haha prob.

[real cedar]

Oh.. fire

Does it got it's location broadcast on the map. I've got nada up north

[obsidian storm]

I'm just getting back to cell service

It's not broadcasting location yet

[prisma saddle]

can’t ping it. yet.

[real cedar]

Apparently I have direct hop to lake mtn

I can see lake mtn itself with good binoculars from my balcony near the base

😂

Gonna fix the key issue

[prisma saddle]

there we go

[obsidian storm]

Direct connection from fpr to Lake Mountain

[prisma saddle]

@reef ridge

[prisma saddle]

nice!

[real cedar]

Direct trace route to lake mtn from my place is nice

FPR isn't even needed for me

Fuck yeah

[prisma saddle]

haha nice!

[real cedar]

Gigantic antenna for the win

[keen glen]

Sweet! This should help out a lot with the coverage issues I was seeing back by EM.

[prisma saddle]

hoping my bro in lehi can see it now. so far no.

[reef ridge]

Awesome! First contact.

[real cedar]

Alright I really need to get promontory up. With lake mtn and promontory.. we could get Ogden to talk to Provo in a hop or two max

[prisma saddle]

can you trace any router? npr fpr potm? lake?

[real cedar]

Tomorrow's pay day. I'll probably get an extra renogy mppt and go ahead and make the battery box and solder my nebra stuff

God that hike is gonna blow 🤣. It's trailless

To 8400 ft

[prisma saddle]

@reef ridge

[real cedar]

After Friday I'll have the time for the hike. Someone else has me occupied till then hahaha

[leaden crow]

You have pictures of how the node is mounted at the lake mtn shack?

[prisma saddle]

sweet. your in!

can you message in longfast? @reef ridge

[real cedar]

@obsidian storm

[reef ridge]

I sent one already, it says it was acknowledged. Is there a way to check who acknowledged it?

[prisma saddle]

hmm do it again.

[real cedar]

No. Acks are just acks from clients that rebroadcast

Read receipts you can view i believe

[prisma saddle]

got it!

[reef ridge]

Great, glad I'm connecting with everyone! I'm sure it helps I'm on the fourth floor of a hotel.

[prisma saddle]

lol ya. prob.

[obsidian storm]

I forgot to take any picture at all. But it's using the same antenna that was there previously

I just reused the antenna and LMR 400 from @dim bay's previous setup

[reef ridge]

Looks like FPR does a lot of heavy lifting around here.

[real cedar]

It's the third most used router at this point. AUR and POTM are the heaviest

[obsidian storm]

Rip npr

[real cedar]

Yeah. I gotta go up there soon (tm)

[vital hemlock]

I run two of these Renogy’s, note they are PWM. They’re great, but not MPPT

[real cedar]

Oh yeah they are pwm aren't they? And that's fine, it's pretty efficient

[obsidian storm]

NPR being dead means I miss most messages at home

[real cedar]

It's not actually dead. I can still ping it

It's just not really doing its job

I think AUR took over its job mainly because it became a router late and I don't think that the older firmware recognizes that

Cuz that's one of the oldest firmwares on the entire network

If we get its firmware updated we might see a change

But also I'm on board with rufio's idea of placing a router on olympus

It would make sense to cover both sides and honestly it would help the avenues and those tough nooks and crannies a lot more

That will probably be a rak

Lots of creek and canyon low points can't see NPR but they can see olympus

[keen glen]

What hardware did you use for the Lake Mountain?

[real cedar]

Nebra

[leaden crow]

Since when? NPR is still working for me. I just got a direct trace back.

[real cedar]

It's alive!. It's just reporting 0% battery for us

😆

I can't get a battery device metric pack it out of it right now

[obsidian storm]

I don't get any messages at all from LAKE at home 😞

[reef ridge]

Oh, is there a way to analyze those kinds of metrics? That would be very cool to check out.

[leaden crow]

https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1367293403867516979

[real cedar]

Yes we have several users who have mesh sense and other stuff running

I'm just a poop and won't run much at home rn while I build nodes

[real cedar]

Lowe peak will probably fix your issue. Once again soon (tm) I'm a weekend warrior rn

[leaden crow]

As of 3 min ago, I got a telemetry packed from it that reported 97% battery.

[real cedar]

Oh so they are probably just getting corrupted up here

[obsidian storm]

Do any of you see LAKE's position?

[real cedar]

Not atm

[keen glen]

Nope

[obsidian storm]

I must have configured it wrong. Let me pull out my laptop

[real cedar]

😂

So there's location update and location broadcast. I set location broadcast to whatever my node info is

Update I set to something sufficient if some butthole comes and takes stuff with smart position on

The moment it moves basically it will start broadcasting every 60 seconds so like I'll have a very precise path of where an individual went with it

[leaden crow]

{"channel":0,"from":243388541,"hop_start":5,"hops_away":0,"id":1139979235,"payload":{"air_util_tx":3.30741667747498,"battery_level":97,"channel_utilization":3.33833312988281,"uptime_seconds":12525099,"voltage":4.15799999237061},"rssi":-77,"sender":"!eba4d26b","snr":4,"timestamp":1755114839,"to":4294967295,"type":"telemetry"}

[obsidian storm]

This is the BEST mountian router admin experience ever

[leaden crow]

What service do they have up there? or are you using the LTE card?

[obsidian storm]

point to point mesh.

pointing from the mtn to someone's house.

[leaden crow]

12,525,099 Seconds =
3,479 Hours : 11 Minutes : 39 Seconds
NPR uptime is 145 days

[obsidian storm]

they didn't want me to add another antenna so I didn't deploy the LTE card.

[leaden crow]

ah, ok
sounds like it didn't need it anyway

[obsidian storm]

the LTE card is on my home node providing backup internet for my house now 😄

[real cedar]

Respect what you have 🤣. Admining over lora is a good way to appreciate the throughput of a modern radio network

I mean really Lora reminds one of the days where links were less than 56k ota .. haha I actually kinda like that

But yes

Inet so much easier

[obsidian storm]

If someone wants to help me tune the config, please do.

Current Config:

# meshtastic --export-config
No Serial Meshtastic device detected, attempting TCP connection on localhost.
# start of Meshtastic configure yaml
canned_messages: Hi|Bye|Yes|No|Ok
channel_url: https://meshtastic.org/e/#nicetry
config:
  bluetooth:
    enabled: false
    fixedPin: 123456
    mode: FIXED_PIN
  device:
    disableTripleClick: true
    nodeInfoBroadcastSecs: 3600
    rebroadcastMode: CORE_PORTNUMS_ONLY
    role: ROUTER
  display:
    screenOnSecs: 1
  lora:
    channelNum: 51
    hopLimit: 3
    region: US
    sx126xRxBoostedGain: true
    txEnabled: true
    txPower: 30
    usePreset: true
  mqtt:
    encryptionEnabled: false
  network:
    enabledProtocols: 1
    ntpServer: meshtastic.pool.ntp.org
  position:
    broadcastSmartMinimumDistance: 100
    broadcastSmartMinimumIntervalSecs: 30
    fixedPosition: true
    gpsMode: ENABLED
    gpsUpdateInterval: 86400
    positionBroadcastSecs: 80
    positionBroadcastSmartEnabled: false
    positionFlags: 811
  power:
    lsSecs: 86400
    minWakeSecs: 10
    sdsSecs: 86400
    waitBluetoothSecs: 1
  security:
    adminKey:
    - base64:8Rjb5XD4zhfsOWzYl2bEvk6RPgp9LssnE7Co5l2IP2I=
    privateKey: base64:nicetry
    publicKey: base64:T/1T51lxBOTZK636mTNfHfGmi7SQYMd7XIOjygRRXCU=
    serialEnabled: true
location:
  alt: 4000
  lat: 40.2810639
  lon: -111.9381185
module_config:
  ambientLighting:
    blue: 55
    current: 10
    green: 103
    red: 90
  cannedMessage:
    enabled: true
  detectionSensor:
    detectionTriggerType: LOGIC_HIGH
    minimumBroadcastSecs: 45
  mqtt:
    address: mqtt.meshtastic.org
    encryptionEnabled: true
    password: large4cats
    root: msh/US
    username: meshdev
owner: Lake Mountain Router
owner_short: LAKE

[prisma saddle]

internet ftw!!

gonna turn on neighbor?

[real cedar]

It has internet. Forget meshtastic.pool.ntp go time.xmission.com
Lol. Hop limit 7
Rebroadcast ALL

I'd offer mine but I'm taking it off the public internet for a bit after it got spammed

I'll be resecuring that and using crony and ntps

Position broadcast to 86400

GPS update idk whatever you find reasonable

Node info broadcast 86400

[obsidian storm]

Doesn't actually have GPS

[real cedar]

No need to broadcast node info too often

[obsidian storm]

I have it broadcasting a lot right now just because people are interested

See if you can get it to show up on your map you know?

[real cedar]

Oh well, you don't need to. Literally at all

Every time a no to sees a not-known node.. it will literally ask for it

You shouldn't need to broadcast it

[obsidian storm]

K

[real cedar]

The reason it's not showing on your map is because position broadcast is set to 80. I would just set that to something reasonable. If you really wanted to show up often, maybe. 21600

It may not be able to send those out as often as it's trying

Because I'm pretty sure the network does throttle things back

As long as it's actually broadcasting its location though on long fast, it should be able to show up on the map if somebody requests its position

But long fast has to be the primary channel as I understand it.

Unless that's old knowledge

[obsidian storm]

What about neighbor info?

[real cedar]

That you can set to the lowest reasonable interval which I think the lowest it allows you to send over Lora is 14400

I'm pretty sure the firmware literally doesn't let you set it to less and it gets ignored if you send it more frequently

There was a warning about this in the app

That neighbor info is actually going to be very helpful

With it having direct line of sight to aur and fpr and probably NPR, this should give us a better router map in theory

[obsidian storm]

This is hilarious

Lake mountain is screaming at POTM. But POTM is so quiet back

[prisma saddle]

that is awesome!

so weird.

[obsidian storm]

So I have a filter on lake mountain. That helps it hear a lot better.

And then it screams at potm

Because it's a one-watt node

I need to go get a filter on potm

[prisma saddle]

i was going to ask that. but figured it was. nice.

[leaden crow]

I got the position from LAKE
40.2811° │ -111.9381° │ 4000m

4000 meters, eh?
Is that the new 8"

[prisma saddle]

still waiting for it here.

[quasi surge]

I got packets from it in midvale but couldn't reply... What kind of node is it? Solar RPi?

[real cedar]

A nebra node

It has a dietpi and a ebyte hat

[prisma saddle]

weird, i have my t1000 that didnt get the pos update packet from lake, but my roof node did.

And nope, bro in lehi still cant get messages, or trace potm, or even see lake. Guess he just lives in a hole. 🙁

[real cedar]

Alright 51ers.
Ive got a ton written. but its late and ill get it up this weekend or something after I have the time to review and add more

What I need from people are any graphics you found useful in explaining stuff, parts of the meshtastic documentation you liked. Maybe what you'd want explained and also most importantly. Everyone DM me the neighbor info mesh maps and your rough location in the mesh

@vital hemlock @leaden crow @pseudo kestrel

So 4 is the mention limit. Thanks bot. Warnings would be nice instead of a timeout 🤣

What I'm looking for are neighbor info maps and anything your okay with being public that shows the health of the mesh and shows which routers are linking to who

I can run the survey studies for router documentation and get the media in later

@white field

Forgot to mention you too. I'm sure you all have data

Videos can be embedded as well I believe or at least links to them so if you want that on there. Send those too

[obsidian storm]

I chatted out of Lehi

can he visually see the top of lake mountain?

and is his gear inside or outside?

[prisma saddle]

he is working on getting his outside node back up. i guess it was down. but where he is at.. horrible range of anything. lehi in general works, yes.. but where he is at.. not so much. https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZkB5JAC6ZvpinWbV7

I might break down and find a building around there to toss something up

fkight park blocks potm.. i hoped that lake would fix that.. but nope... too much cluster buildings.

[obsidian storm]

@prisma saddle I think there's something wrong with his gear

I'm less than 1/3rd a mile away

And am getting great reception.

[vital hemlock]

I think it's a great start, thanks for doing that. I would mention router settings last, just in case though 😄

[obsidian storm]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/YgybWnianuGN9mWS9

^ There's a traceroute from that location I shared from about an hour ago.

AT MINIMUM, he should be able to traceroute to me

[prisma saddle]

ill have him ttest that.. if that does not work then ya for sure.. something is broken on his end.

[obsidian storm]

He has line of sight to Lake Mountain. He should be able to visually see the tower from his front door. If he can't hit Lake from his front door, something is broken with his gear.

settings or hardware.

I'm super curious what's wrong.

[prisma saddle]

ya i am too. never been able to get it to work. but would off and on on freq 20 but there are more people out there on that freq.

ill have him get this outside / roof one going and see how things are.. and go over settings.

hmm.

[reef ridge]

Back home in Ogden now, thought I might be able to hit FPR from my backyard, but no dice. Cut off from the network for now. 🫠

I wonder what it would take to get a node up on Mount Ogden with the amateur repeaters.

[vital hemlock]

In the mean time a relay client up somewhere kind of high, or just when it can see you "and" FPR would do the trick.

[reef ridge]

Of course, as soon as I get the better antennas in the mail I'll go up on my roof to see if I can reach FPR that way. Then I'll be able to see if a rooftop relay alone will be viable.

[real cedar]

Spread across the yaml files.. also I've got a shit ton of site survey pics incoming. I got curved earth, full land coverage and building height calculations everything. Gonna try and upload them here

Here is the basic total network coverage

As we currently sit

Here is Aurora Ceresis Router Late

Black is LOS in these. The rest is building and forest coverage simulated

Francis Peak Router (North and South)

AUR North and South

NPR North and South

POTM north and south

Boulter Peak North and South views

Lake Mountain Router North and South views

Mary's Nipple Northwest and Southeast

@obsidian storm we will need these for later in our docs

About as accurate as I could get it to generate these. I can make more as we put more up

[reef ridge]

These are great, thanks! Also explains why I can't get anything out. Not a single one of these has LOS to Ogden, at least to where I am up close to the mouth of Ogden canyon.

[real cedar]

Francis Peak has partial LOS

For now it's all we got. Soon I'll have promontory up

[reef ridge]

Nice, that'll be great. How do you get access? Is it just one of those you gotta know someone who knows someone things?

[real cedar]

I'm not putting it on the towers. It's going on the tall desolate no trail peak behind it

[reef ridge]

Oh, lol. That works too.

[real cedar]

Here is the land data coverage legend
https://www.mrlc.gov/data/legends/national-land-cover-database-class-legend-and-description

[tardy dagger]

I’ve been wondering which areas were congested on 20. Or do we not see the congestion there now because of the migration to 51?

[vital hemlock]

I'm not completely sure I understand. If you are asking which geographic locations were congested? We were monitoring the Salt Lake and Provo valley's, they were both inundated.

[tardy dagger]

That was the question. Ok

[vital hemlock]

There are a lot of unmanaged, forgotten, outdated nodes on default; and a large number of routers

[tardy dagger]

Makes sense. I haven’t seemed to have been encountering that where I live or work, so was curious.

[real cedar]

We don't really use 20 so our knowledge of it's state is very limited

[vital hemlock]

I check in on it from time to time, wild wild west 😄

[real cedar]

Most of them are totally abandoned in trees too

Like it's kinda crazy how much waste is out there

IF PEOPLE on 20 would like us 51ers to collect the old abandoned hardware just let us know and I think some of us would. This isn't meant to suggest anything nefarious btw. We really will repurpose it and put it to good use and clear up congestion for ya

[tardy dagger]

I’m relatively new yet (been a few months). Need to get a client mute node on 51. (No rooftop setup yet and only single story anyway… would likely be a garage mounted mast at best)

I have seen what a couple other areas offer for discussion though. Nashville Mesh has a discord set up with categories as do a couple discords for L.A. area. I tried and tried to find something similar for Utah. Failing that, I created Utah Mesh discord as a supplement

[real cedar]

We just use here for now but we are going to publish all our docs like Puget mesh

So we will just use connect Utah probably

[tardy dagger]

http://utahmesh.net points to the discord invitation for anyone interested.
It is intended for more categorized discussion and reference. Happy to work with the team here on admins or adding categories

Has anyone here set up the SAME EAS Meshtastic alerter?

[vital hemlock]

As was mentioned yesterday, we have been intentionally careful not to broadcast our presence everywhere once the project blew up last year. A few of us have been doing this for three years and had very few contacts. Then, the right youtube algorithm favoring brought a massive influx and broke everything on CH20.

They gave us these connect channels and I started one. More and more smart and carful folks joined, we later decided to move to a clearer channel. We did occasionally broadcast on channel 20, to let people know we are here.

It's been good to have folks find us through the official docs, discord, and word of mouth. So far we havent dealt with the griefers on 51, and I seriously want to avoid that.

That said, I have no presumed authority, do what you wish how you wish; you most likely have our blessing anyway (even if you dont need it). My hope is that as many people as want to can use the routers folks here have worked hard to set up, without ruining it for everyone else.

[obsidian storm]

Having a community of active people who run the routers will allow us to mute any people causing issues too.

looking at you mr. pornbot in ogden

did that ever get turned off?

I haven't checked in a while.

[reef ridge]

Lmao, what's the story on Mr. pornbot?

[real cedar]

Pure degeneracy

Just people broadcasting porn or onlyfans and stuff

🤣

Or links to it

[obsidian storm]

unlike ham, where you have to send your call sign with your personal info tied to it, meshtastic is a bit more private.

[real cedar]

That was a while ago..

Funny

[real cedar]

Unless your in HAM mode haha

[reef ridge]

CB for tha 21st century apparently!

Hopefully we can avoid what befell CB, thanks, digital modes.

I'm guessing there's a lot of radio amateurs here too?

[obsidian storm]

There's some overlap

[reef ridge]

Getting ready to do my general, I got technican a while ago but VHF/UHF wasn't what I hoped it would be, at least not around here.

Had the most fun doing packet radio and that's how I found Meshtastic, which is great so far.

[tardy dagger]

I’ve done some listening only tinkering with a cheap SDR, but that was mostly ADS-B, then NOAA/NWS radio

[haughty moon]

Most of the HAMs are from the older group and like to hangout and rag chew. The new digital modes like FT8 are pretty cool and fun for introverts haha

[obsidian storm]

I'd love someone to help let me up with the digital modes

[umbral ice]

Would be cool to setup some kind of national hackerspace digital room that we could all jump on. Fusion or DMR or something

I'm super ignorant around it though lol.

[pseudo kestrel]

late to the party, but here, have a thing!

LAKE can be seen from Theives Guild

[obsidian storm]

@real cedar Why is AUR->LAKE so quiet? FPR->LAKE is a lot stronger.

[haughty moon]

If you want, hit me up and I’ll see if I can get you pointed in the right direction

[reef ridge]

FT8/JS8Call look like a lot of fun, looking forward to getting an HF rig.

[reef ridge]

I set up an HBLink reflector on my little home server to test out the concept, it would be cool to make one that's actually useful for something.

[real cedar]

Topography. And because lake mountain has a couple beam antennas pointed at ensign and thus there might be some noise in the channel
I spent time on ensign with a range finder and binoculars figuring out where all the repeaters point

Also the transmit power from AUR is a filtered rak so 26-2.5+3-4 for the antenna (the Alfa is only about 3-4 dB at our specific frequency)

It's a weak antenna but it's got good Omni ability

The rokland would make this 1000x better but I do not want a giant antenna sticking out of a box on ensign

[obsidian storm]

We should probably just get POTM 2.0 up

[vital hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/its-all-about-the-layers-the-great-canadian-baking-show-gcbs-layers-are-important-its-all-about-sheets-gif-21139057

[obsidian storm]

Did you post the setup somewhere?

I was awol for about a month.

and must have missed it.

[obsidian storm]

Tell me about your 1W amp.

[prisma saddle]

it’s the amazon one right?

i should put that on my roof node. lol.

i got one. sitting in a box.

did you measure its actual output? how close to 1w is it?

and how do you wire its power? inline with the node power?

hmm i need to get all that i guess before playing.

ah worth a try i guess.

suggestied. wifi adaptor for nebra and femtofox? @obsidian storm @real cedar gonna change out my roof node from a rak to one of those. i’d hard wire it but. meh. don’t want it run wires.

[real cedar]

Ask in the femtofox channel for that idk
Nebra.. ask bash and @leaden crow

[obsidian storm]

You've got to run power for the nebra anyways

So with the nebra, you're running power

Easier to just run an Ethernet and do poe

[prisma saddle]

nebra offer poe stock? or need a module for it?

need to get mine from you still and pay ya.

[leaden crow]

Yeah, the Nebra has POE adapter built in. You actually have to change a jumper whether it's powered by PoE (default) or 12v barrel jack.
The Nebra also includes a USB wifi adapter and antenna. I can't vouch for the quality, but it does work.

[prisma saddle]

oh cool!

[obsidian storm]

sooo

about that.

Your nebra is now LakeMTN.

lol.

[prisma saddle]

haha. ok. no problem

[obsidian storm]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/406104308861

^ Buy that.

[umbral ice]

Can I just tell you how much I you all kill me >.>

[prisma saddle]

lol that’s funny. i ordered 2 of those last week.

[umbral ice]

https://tenor.com/view/credit-card-swipe-gif-10863986

[prisma saddle]

@obsidian storm lol.

should be here next week.

[prisma saddle]

what?

[umbral ice]

I'm spending money! lol

I suppose I should rephrase it and say that you all make my wallet sad 😄 😄

[prisma saddle]

oh so lake is mine? sweet! thanks for doing all the work for me. lol j/k.

[prisma saddle]

i can’t find it but what’s the watts on those? prob not 1w right?

[leaden crow]

They don't include the transceiver hat you'll need for meshtastic. You'll have to build/buy that separately.

but the common hat people are using on the Nebra use either the 1W or 2W ebyte module

[pseudo kestrel]

does that already have the appropriate radios for Meshtastic?

[prisma saddle]

ah nice. link examples so i can get that ordered?

I guess there is prob a setup video or guide somewhere for these for meshtastic.. i thought i saw one

[real cedar]

@maiden wraith you forgot to switch to Router.

Also I can't remote admin in to change it

Can't even request it's meta data

It responds with trace route

Send help 😂

[quasi surge]

@obsidian storm how are you powering LAKE?

[prisma saddle]

@real cedar i know there are more than this. but this is what i see currently.

this is 20.

[real cedar]

PoE

[real cedar]

Well if they all switch over they will have amazing coverage and help hop each other out if y'all wanna reach out and see if they are game

[quasi surge]

someone offered you power up there?

[real cedar]

As I understand it. It's on the HAM shack.. wired to a switch.. that provides inet

[prisma saddle]

i’ll reach out.

[real cedar]

Cool

[quasi surge]

ah, probably shared with the FM broadcast tower?

[real cedar]

That's my guess. I don't run LPR .. I admin AUR, C6C, NPR (soon tm), Lowe (soon tm) and FPR (shared admins)

Bash is the guy to talk to

[real cedar]

@umbral ice since I am going to be putting up a non-internet connected node at promontory point, it will be difficult for me to update the BBS remotely. I am going to wait until you fully place Harrison and actually get the BBS running (meshing around) so that you can place my nodes in its configuration and I can place your nodes into promontorys configuration so that we can actually have a proper working BBS BEFORE I have to climb to 9000 ft 😂 . It needs to be 1 and done. I might have a few uhhh private land stakes in my way that were abandoned largely as well so I'd like to only wild west this once

With construction gear

Keep me updated!

[prisma saddle]

what’s the status of stansberry ? @white field

[white field]

🤷‍♂️

Kinda busy atm

[real cedar]

Awesome. Please do. I'll go get it configured right haha.. I just need to be added and I'll take it from there

[real cedar]

How's burning mesh going

[white field]

I found a road that cheats most of the way up Stansbury at the possible cost of new tires

They tested defcon with 2000 nodes

And short turbo

[real cedar]

Drive slow hahaha

[white field]

I’m honestly need to make beans for 100 burritos

[real cedar]

How did short turbo do at a distance did anyone test that cuz I'm like whole hoggin for shortfast here

[white field]

I think it’s was in a conference room so it just worked

[real cedar]

Ahhhh

That's cool though

That many devices in one room operating okay

That's a good sign.

I think short turbo is too fast for our topography but that gives me a ton more confidence for shortfast

I don't think we need to worry about slow modes. RF moves at the speed of light and the delays due to rebroadcast and SNR bias won't really affect our window too much. The SNR loss is only a few dB on the link budget last we tested with FPR

[manic fractal]

Very cool to see it all mapped out like that.

[real cedar]

I figured it would be a great visual for our docs. It would be nice if I could permasave those but meh.

[obsidian storm]

No. You have to add the radio

[obsidian storm]

power from the HAM radio shack.

[obsidian storm]

Shared with the aredn mesh network. (https://www.arednmesh.org/)

So they have their own building/shack.

[real cedar]

Yeah buddy

[long crown]

Looks like my route to LMR from Sandy goes through FPR 😂

[reef ridge]

These look like a great option! I wish there was a Meshtastic capable mpcie board, that'd be perfect.

I'm surprised it's not a thing already actually, I bet people would love to just slap a module into a laptop and make it an instant node.

[real cedar]

That will happen due to SNR bias

Your signal is MUCH weaker to FPR than LPR and it will rebroadcast first even if LPR saw you directly

Oh wait you said sandy

Consult the map 😂

[long crown]

can NPR reach lake mountain directly?

[obsidian storm]

it's hit and miss.

@real cedar ^ that's hilarious.

[real cedar]

Yup it's SNR bias that's most likely.

[leaden crow]

Work in progress
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[reef ridge]

I'm so glad people have good ideas before I do, it makes life easy.

[leaden crow]

I'm not sure if you can get built hats right now. You can get Gerber files for the PCB and have some made yourself.
https://github.com/wehooper4/Meshtastic-Hardware/tree/main/NebraHat
@obsidian storm did this, but all the ones he had made may have been spoken for.

If you're handy with a soldering iron, it's actually not that difficult making the hat on a proto board. I had one of the first working Nebras by doing that.
#1367293403867516979 message

[prisma saddle]

i did have one. but it went to lake. lol. no biggie though. cool i’ll look into that.

[prisma saddle]

there any guides or videos on getting it all setup? or is it more so just getting dietpi on it and installing meshtastic?

along with the e22 or so.

ahh . looks like that is the guide. cool.

[leaden crow]

I'd probably stick to standard raspbian. The meshtasticd instructions are here:
https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/devices/linux-native-hardware/

[obsidian storm]

I did dietpi

it was pretty easy.

[leaden crow]

OK, but what do you gain over Raspbian lite? I personally don't care for Debian / Ubuntu, but you can't argue against how well it's supported on the Pi.

[obsidian storm]

My notes for DietPi with Meshtastic on a Nebra:

apt install libgpiod-dev libyaml-cpp-dev libbluetooth-dev openssl libssl-dev libulfius-dev liborcania-dev
curl -fsSL https://download.opensuse.org/repositories/network:Meshtastic:beta/Debian_12/Release.key | gpg --dearmor | sudo tee /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/network_Meshtastic_beta.gpg > /dev/null
apt install meshtasticd
cd /etc/meshtasticd/config.d/
wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/wehooper4/Meshtastic-Hardware/refs/heads/main/NebraHat/NebraHat_1W.yaml
nano /etc/meshtasticd/config.yaml # uncomment MACAddressSource
dietpi-config #enable i2c and spi
systemctl enable meshtasticd
systemctl start meshtasticd
dietpi-software #install python
pip3 install --upgrade pytap2
pip3 install --upgrade "meshtastic[cli]"

[obsidian storm]

DietPi uses less ram, less disk, automatically does logs with tmpfs (saving your sd card from dying), and has less default processes .

It's just lighter

[leaden crow]

This is trivial to do yourself, I've been doing it for years on raspbian
Temporary files RAM disk (tmpfs)
Log files RAM disk (tmpfs)

[obsidian storm]

Here's a (obviously biased) blogpost: https://dietpi.com/blog/?p=888

[leaden crow]

it's just fstab entry
tmpfs /mnt/ramdisk tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev,size=128m 0 0

[obsidian storm]

It's not a big deal

they're both great.

[leaden crow]

All the rest just seems like fluff.

I would be sold if it were built on a rolling release distro

[prisma saddle]

this could be cool one day. https://store.rakwireless.com/products/rak2286-high-power-lora-pi-hat-1w-sx1262-long-range-lora-pi-hat-for-robust-p2p-or-lorawan-communication

[leaden crow]

What is the default swappiness on your dietpi?

[obsidian storm]

root@LakeMountainRouter-Meshtastic:~# cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
1

[prisma saddle]

cool thanks for all that. that’s what i was doing basically when i was going to pi 2w for deseret peak.

[leaden crow]

pfft, total noobs. swappiness should always be 0. 😁

[prisma saddle]

lol

[leaden crow]

That could be amazing. If they used a better PA and LNA than the E22 hats.

[prisma saddle]

hmm so i need to figure out this transceiver build. hmm.

[umbral ice]

i wonder how it will compare to the advpihats

[prisma saddle]

i’m so lost on how to actually know what parts of needs to build. . it. n

[leaden crow]

I can send the parts I used to build them. If you want to buy a complete one, contact this guy. It looks like he may have some complete boards.
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[prisma saddle]

ya when you have time. parts list would be cool. thanks.

[prisma saddle]

Hmm dont think location is even working on lake. i still do not have a pos packet from it. or was it turned off? no mater, just curious.

[prisma saddle]

thank you!

[real cedar]

ROFL what

whos got a node out in the mud thats not on the map LMAO

[real cedar]

I hope your joking cuz I think ive triangulated the ffffff repeater device near fruit loops mountain bike park

Theres legit a device probably in a tree that is in repeater mode

I did this with my SA cuz I got curious why that kept happening haha

and only repeaters show up as ffffff and not on the map

[umbral ice]

Wouldn't a node that isn't in a channel with you also do that?

Like someone not using the primary channel at all

[real cedar]

thats possible yes but its a bit of an annoyance rn

Things keep getting routed through it haha

This amuses me

basically anyone that cant connect to aur or fpr or npr directly is all going through my house node looking over the valley

also I have a direct connect to LPR ahah

BPK and BPR seem to go through me too ROFL

but I thought he had LOS to FPR

[prisma saddle]

i see it down here too. in the salt lake valley

[obsidian storm]

Ok. When are you going to document how we can go repeater hunting?

I would love to stalk this thing.

[acoustic mason]

Hi all, Is the 51 config LongFast or ShortFast? and what is the name of the common channel? Sill "LongFast" or something different?

[pseudo kestrel]

currently LongFast, with that as the name also

[acoustic mason]

Thanks!

[dawn rock]

How are you visualizing that

[real cedar]

Trace root data

When intercepted on long fast

Meshsense does a good job

[dawn rock]

Oooo

Where is the lake mountain router? I'm not seeing a position on it

[keen glen]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Q4SJr22WjB2DJqfA9

[dawn rock]

Excellent, that's exactly where I expected it to be

10/10 for bring that back online whoever did it

[prisma saddle]

hmm ya position on lake not working. @obsidian storm

[keen glen]

I got the coordinates from the node in the Meshtastic app 🤷‍♂️

[obsidian storm]

It's working

[obsidian storm]

but, see, LAKE to where you are requires some major hops

[keen glen]

I actually haven't been able to hit LAKE yet with a traceroute. I'm wondering if my 2021 Rev1.0 T-Beams aren't performing well 🥲

[obsidian storm]

@prisma saddle I ran a position request manually from my home node:

$ meshtastic --request-position --dest d55a6737 -t 127.0.0.1
Connected to radio
Sending position request to d55a6737 on channelIndex:0 (this could take a while)
Position received: (-111.93686869999999, 40.282990399999996) 2321m full precision

And I see it in meshview:

I tried it again and it failed a few times

$ meshtastic --request-position --dest d55a6737 -t 127.0.0.1
Connected to radio
Sending position request to d55a6737 on channelIndex:0 (this could take a while)
Aborting due to: Timed out waiting for position

$ meshtastic --request-position --dest d55a6737 -t 127.0.0.1
Connected to radio
Sending position request to d55a6737 on channelIndex:0 (this could take a while)
Aborting due to: Timed out waiting for position

$ meshtastic --request-position --dest d55a6737 -t 127.0.0.1
Connected to radio
Sending position request to d55a6737 on channelIndex:0 (this could take a while)
Position received: (40.282990399999996, -111.93686869999999) 2321m full precision

[obsidian storm]

where are you located?

[keen glen]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/VnbgZZ5A4cJEkNDD8 Around here, City Center Eagle Mountain.

[obsidian storm]

yeah

so I don't think it'll hit there

🙁

The mountian blocks it pretty badly.

[keen glen]

Shoot, yeah, that's in the way.

[obsidian storm]

If you put something on the foothils of cedar fort

you probably would be able to hook up

[keen glen]

Probably not an existing ham / other radio setup there, huh?

Not seeing one with a quick search. Putting a new node up would be something I have to put an application in for somewhere, right? At least if it's on non-private land.

[obsidian storm]

technically, yes.

[keen glen]

What hardware would you recommend for a solar node out there?

[obsidian storm]

That's a great question.

There's lots of solar builds out there.

this is a great "just buy it" build:
https://www.seeedstudio.com/SenseCAP-Solar-Node-P1-for-Meshtastic-LoRa-p-6425.html

• battery:
  https://www.seeedstudio.com/SenseCAP-Solar-Node-P1-Pro-for-Meshtastic-LoRa-p-6412.html

there's a lot of builds in #solar-power

and I think we'll start sharing a list of our builds we've been making locally here on https://freq51.net sometime in the next few weeks.

The build in this video looks great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h3UluaqfTw

These harbor breeze ones are really fun looking:
https://meshtastic.org/docs/community/enclosures/rak/harbor-breeze-solar-hack/

[prisma saddle]

@obsidian storm ya weird my roof node sees its pos. but ace mobile does not. maybe missing the poss packet.

[dawn rock]

It's unfortunate the t1000e doesn't have better tx range, I can see nodes out there but communication is spotty

[prisma saddle]

roof nodes do wonders

[dawn rock]

They do, I want to put one up magnetted to my ac unit but I'm moving soon and just don't have it in me

[leaden crow]

I assume those are sx1276? Unfortunately probably time to replace them if so. They can't talk to lr1110 devices. I have a couple too.

[reef ridge]

The feed line to that antenna is really long in the thumbnail, is he using an amplifier?

[real cedar]

See I like this idea but I'd want room to fit an Alfa antenna entirely internally and 421700s with a rak and a filter. Hahah

So we could actually put it on a peak

Like say BEN LOMOND

who's really good at CAD and wants to design me such a casing that we can make look super pro

[real cedar]

In hindsight. @maiden wraith I should have coated C6C in bug treatment. Wasps found a home. 🤣. I'll kill them when they overwinter

It has such a great overlook hahahhaha

Amazing router late location

It can see so much haha

I don't mind. It's seasonal. Once they close off their nest for the winter, I'll just drench it in the wasp killer and they won't be able to escape before they're dead

I'll knock it off in a couple days when I know the eggs are dead too

There were some footprints from multiple directions up to the node and it looks like someone tried to shake it and unsuccessfully do anything so either someone's going to bring a backhoe out to it or it was just a homeless person

Too much effort for a homeless person

By the way, the backhoe is going to have fun on that one. I dug a hole about 3 ft deep and made an extremely large and wide pool underneath concrete.. and then I dug adjacent holes to add pillars of concrete that came up to the surface. So if someone tries to remove the pole which by the way is anchored with a very similar cross being mechanism in the bottom of the concrete.. they're going to have to pull a ridiculous amount of land out of that hole

🤣

Have fun

I added some volcanic ash to the mix. I had some on hand. So it's about as close to Roman concrete as you can get. Which means that every time it rains the concrete gets stronger 🤣

By the way, I filled the entire vertical center of the pole with the same mix. So if you try to cut through it with a sawzaw you're also going to have a fun time

My entire 230 lb 6ft 1 self can lean against it and it won't even bend

I've tried kicking it. It won't budge haha

@leaden crow I use the same method on AUR.. and that's a 2-in diameter pole.. so there's even more concrete inside the pole that joins with the concrete at the other end. I'm sure they won't have fun with that. But I also don't think the operators of that peak care and all. In fact I talked to one of them and as long as it's not inside the fence line it doesn't matter. They're not paid enough to care 🤣 and apparently nor is the company on the contract

So we have at least two really permanent nodes out there that nobody's really going to mess with

Oh C6C can ping lake mountain directly btw. SNR -13.56

maps looking way more like I expect. Also @white field how come EAGL and OWL are clients?

Or reporting as such?

[white field]

They are routers

That app is janky

[leaden crow]

WC2 is placed and I got a traceroute back from the valley and a message to home before I left. It should be able to reach WC1 and connect them both to the valley, but I lost my nodedb and they have long node_info_broadcast intervals, so probably won't show up for another 12-24 hours.
It has some visibility into Snyderville, but would need to test from PC side. It's on the ridge right above Red Pine Lake (trees to the right in the pic)

[real cedar]

I mean the stock meshtastic app is reporting client for me as well. I checked. IDK why its reporting that for me but it could be distance and retrieving the meta data maybe?

If they are routers ill sort it out and ping for meta data for a bit

see if I can get it to switch over

[real cedar]

Node info broadcasts being long will not make it not show soon. The moment they rebroadcast messages or someone sends messages out there. every node will try to grab its node info as they see it in their next hop data

especially if you send a dm to people

[leaden crow]

│ 49 │ Wasatch Crest 2 │ !05a03648 │ WC2 │ XIAO_NRF52_KIT │ zYggcfHEkPjQNjkl+lo3h2ypHXP2ZgTJMv1Ci4NF2EA= │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ N/A │ -9 dB │ 2 │ 0 │ 2025-08-16 10:06:59 │ 1 hour ago │

Sending traceroute request to !05a03648 on channelIndex:0 (this could take a while)
Route traced towards destination:
!eba4d26b --> !0e81d07d (?dB) --> !3a8765ed (-11.5dB) --> !05a03648 (-0.75dB)
Route traced back to us:
!05a03648 --> !e5e0542e (-15.75dB) --> !eba4d26b (-12.0dB)

Now that I know it's in a spot that will work. I will probably go back and upgrade the Ziisor to a higher gain antenna.

[acoustic mason]

I just bot two a couple weeks ago. They're amazing. Well built.

[real cedar]

yeah that would be good. Also if you want them to show up. Have them broadcast device metrics every hour. Those are extremely small packets. They dont really contribute to any real utilization

[real cedar]

or location

Something that makes it broadcast that back to the whole mesh will make them show on the map. Having a fixed site location broadcast would make them show on the map the moment someone requests their location

their names just might take a minute

[keen glen]

Sounds like an lr1110 problem 😂
Probably should though. I've got four of them, and that's the only model I've got. TBH micro-usb is the most annoying thing about them.