US - Utah

[real cedar]

Need to get everything hosed up

But should be ready for router placement trips soon

Will add a 3d printed clip 2 pipe mount to keep the elbow intake from going anywhere.

[real cedar]

Yeah the idea is get the filter out of my way.. worst case it catches some dust. I will probably build a nylon shroud for the filter for wet days so I don't water log the carb

Then I'm gonna wrap a sport exhaust under the rear seat and exit out the back above the wheel with heat Shields. So there's no longer an exhaust hanging off and all the heat gets pushed out the back and well vented in the air stream around the bike

The engine gets the freshest and all that air goes past the exhaust cooling it and it's heat shield down... . Hopefully nothing will stick out further at all anymore and the bike can take even more of a beating and close calls than it does

The curve and side mount of the exhaust just keeps a hot pipe radiating near the engine which does a poor job of heat control.

I want the engine to have a cold air charge. Good cooling flow and the exhaust to drag as much heat away as it can

[prisma saddle]

hmm sounds like my sxs. teryx4. engine in the middle underneath all heat goes under drivers seat. soooooo hot. need to build on some deflectors and a vent.

[real cedar]

It's not awful with my gas tank where it's at.

The cold gas just heat sinks it all away as it rides towards the upper part of the frame

It's a frame mount top side tank.. 1.8 gallons discretely placed in the top pipe bends of the frame

[prisma saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-is-cooked-ur-cooked-fire-human-on-fire-its-over-gif-10741971457132322247

[real cedar]

Lmao yeah no I'm setup for high rpm. It idles high too. Around 950 rpm.. right before juggernaut TC engangement

I love how it sounds so much like a 400 cc dirt bike

Than a mini bike

You hit that throttle and it's immediate engagement.. your either wheelie boying it or burning rubber.. it's not easily controlled. Angry lawnmower

I get told mine is much deeper and sounds much more like a Harley and I just don't get it. I think it's because I have the big expansion pipe and the large muffler but I do like having the exhaust go far far behind me

It keeps any of the backfires kind of behind me and it keeps all that heat behind my rear tire

The only time that sucks is when we stop

[leaden crow]

@real cedar I made you mounts for Lowe. The only problem is getting them to you. I was going to try and stop by the space tomorrow, but they're having some stupid ass rich person marathon on Wasatch Crest, so I will probably be riding after work instead of in the morning. Next week I am out of town.

[real cedar]

Okay what time would you like me to show up? I do have a long work day

But I will be downtown because of the 999. However, I do need to be there quite early

[leaden crow]

idk, I'll try to figure something out. probably not tomorrow though.

[real cedar]

You're honestly could just drop it off or have someone drop it off and I'll pick it up

@obsidian storm you mentioned leaving some things at the space as well but I seem to have forgotten and I don't know if they're still there. Can you get back to me on whatever that was? 😂

[obsidian storm]

Your nebra kits are at the hackerspace in the lock shelf

Ask someone to open it up

[real cedar]

ROFL you know I've been busy when I forgot to grab those

God damn

[manic fractal]

Send CMD to the BBB and it will reply with most of the commands that it accepts. Not everything is implemented right now but most things work. Some of the commands are a little esoteric but it’s pretty easy to figure out what it’s trying to tell you.

[vital hemlock]

https://a.co/d/4CMK4CL

$10 Soshine panel right now

[obsidian storm]

Thanks!

[ember torrent]

Thank you.

[manic fractal]

Welcome. I hope people can hit it with some consistency. We’re up on the northern edge of the mesh and my base node isn’t up as high as I’d like it.

[ember torrent]

I can’t get to it, but probably due to my currently low node.

[prisma saddle]

eh can only buy 1. owell better than nothing. .

[umbral ice]

You can buy 1 single and 1 2 pack

[prisma saddle]

same here can’t even see it currently.

[ember torrent]

Does BBBB have line of site to FPR?

I ask because i suspect on the ground with direct site to FPR is better than 30 feet up with no site to FPR.

[real cedar]

Only for 1

You might as well claim the two pack as well

I should have dropped it yesterday but forgot. Yesterday Alfa antennas dropped from 16 to 9.79

I got 3

[ember torrent]

I’ll give you $10 for one 🤣

[real cedar]

I wish. All of mine are spoken for

[vital hemlock]

Last May I got one for $4.57 💪

[prisma saddle]

dang i should grab those too.

i must have missed them. not that cheap.

[ember torrent]

Receipts or youre lying.

[vital hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-benedict-cumberbatch-hat-tip-greetings-smile-gif-4268618

$4.97, I lied!

[prisma saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-liar-star-wars-lying-gif-8634649

[ember torrent]

Noice! It was eons ago however. They’re $9.79 in today dollars.

[prisma saddle]

hmm getting this twice or three a day.

[vital hemlock]

You’re not wrong

I thought it was more recent, 2023 👎

[real cedar]

Need to move to ShortFast and large nodeDBs hahah

[ember torrent]

Lol. Mustve been free precovid.

[ember torrent]

Shut off New Node Notifications?

[drifting hatch]

In Rexburg for a few days. Bunch of active meshtastic folks here. I'll be sad when we go back to Monument Valley 😂 southern Utah is so quiet.

[prisma saddle]

in time.... 🙂

[drifting hatch]

Gotta have people near me for that 😂 14 teacher houses, some teacher apartments, and tourists

[prisma saddle]

once its in moab.. maybe something will hit you.

I know that was part of the expansion.

[leaden crow]

Even if you got the most prominent peak above Moab, I don't think you'd reliably hit Monument Valley.
https://www.heywhatsthat.com/?view=X1CNMBNV
Probably needs 1-2 more hops between.

[umbral helm]

Seems like a rural location with a small population is a great use case for this tech, especially if cell coverage is poor

[leaden crow]

If the whole community were on board and you got a couple of routers on top of the mesas, it would be pretty amazing.
Those nodes would have to be invisible though. Can you image some radio tower on top of such an iconic landscape? People would (understandably) lose their minds.

[pseudo kestrel]

when that happened for me it was because my nodedb was full 😬

[prisma saddle]

ya ive already reset it once this week..

😦

thats my t1000e

[pseudo kestrel]

the t1000e is limited to like 80 entries I think

same hardware as me 💔

[karmic bone]

Sup guys. I was the Fireclay base guy asking for a local group. Fortunately I was able to google to find this group, but unfortunately I don’t seem to be getting many messages back 😔

I do have a higher db gain antenna on order as I feel like I have a good location for it, but even with my current setup something seems off 🤔

I’ve discovered a lot of nodes but communication with nodes other than my own mobile node is almost non-existent

[pseudo kestrel]

what's your node's name?

[karmic bone]

Fireclay Base

[pseudo kestrel]

it doesn't look like my hardware has seen you yet, but I'll keep an eye out 🙂

I'm hopeful your new antenna will help

[leaden crow]

Are you on the default LF frequency slot? or the frequency slot most of this group is using? (51)

[karmic bone]

Just defaults I believe

[leaden crow]

Most of this group switched off default because it doesn't function very well. See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htjwtnjQkkE

If you switch your frequency slot to 51
You can test and see if you have better connectivity to our mesh

What you are experiencing is a common problem though (having better receive sensitivity than broadcast power). If you figure out your LoS to one of the mountaintop routers, you can optimize your node placement, antenna, etc. to try and reach it.

[karmic bone]

I just switched to 51, I’m going to try shooting out a test message

I have excellent LOS to the west bench (at least the south end of it) but the east bench I don’t have LOS to

[leaden crow]

It will probably take a couple of hours for your node list to populate, but you can get the position of NPR, POTM, AUR

try to figure out what your LoS is to those

I got your test

[karmic bone]

I’ve got a couple of responses thus far, do these settings have more users in salt lake?

[karmic bone]

Sweet

[leaden crow]

100+ but not all nodes are on/active all the time

I see 55 active in the past 12 hours

[karmic bone]

Coolio. I’m going to try these settings for a bit. Thank you for your help!

[leaden crow]

NP, please watch the linked video. If you want to set any devices to router make sure you get an OK from this group.

[karmic bone]

I’ve got to depart base soon, but I’ll set my mobile node to the same settings. I just wanted to double check with what y’all find best, but I assume the correct etiquette for my mobile node would be to set it to client_mute?

[leaden crow]

yes

[karmic bone]

I watched it before getting my first node! In the future I want to put up a couple of solar nodes in some high spots, they will be set to client unless yall say otherwise

[ember torrent]

Lol. You have opened pandoras box saying that stuff here.

[tardy dagger]

I’ve seen Fireclay Base

My house is only one story (plus crawl space). Been considering checking into a mast antenna, but with other hobbies may do an antenna array if I do that. (Piaware ADS-B, GMRS, CB, and potentially one for tv)

[pseudo kestrel]

just saw PB00 and PB01

[karmic bone]

Sweet. These settings seem to be working great for me so I’ll keep on rocking them! Thanks again yall

[umbral ice]

FWIW https://a.co/d/i4PCUMw is 30% off. $18 instead of $27

[prisma saddle]

ya it is.

[umbral ice]

I grabbed a couple. Already have one in the Harrison build and there are a couple other ones I want to do it with. How is yours holding up? It’s deployed already?

[prisma saddle]

i grabbed one when you guys talked about it a month ago. sitting in my mesh crap box.

[pseudo kestrel]

I'm excited, I have a proper solar panel coming for RxBs that'll be here soon

[solemn sedge]

Hi all. Plans are coming together for a node permanently installed on Farnsworth Peak. Initial modeling suggests excellent coverage. It will be fun to experiment.

If successful, I hope it will be the beginning of a larger network to support the community here:

I didn’t realize we had a router on Nelson. Those locations are adjacent. If that’s the case, another location might be more helpful. New here, still getting the lay of the land in SLC meshtastic

[leaden crow]

Yeah, we have NPR on Nelson and we have tentative plans to replace it with Lowe.

[ember torrent]

@solemn sedge Frequency slot?

[leaden crow]

Do you have legit access to Farnsworth? with the HAM radio repeaters or something?

[solemn sedge]

I’m with ABC4 TV. We’re hoping the place the router at the DTV transmit facility there. Hoping to help out the mesh community and keep in touch with our staff in the event of a seismic event or other disaster causing a cellular outage

[leaden crow]

So you have power and network?

Do you already have your hardware?

NPR and potentially Lowe, we have the downside of them being solar powered.
Farnsworth with infrastructure would be potentially better,

[solemn sedge]

Hardware is in the mail. Should arrive next week. Solar power. Network is possible, but haven’t explored that yet. Would be happy to coordinate to find a more helpful location if needed.

[leaden crow]

Is it just a RAK or some standard SX1262?

With the adjacent interference, it really needs a good filter. That's the problem we have right now with Nelson Peak.

[solemn sedge]

Yes, RAK outfitted by Spec5. Looking at filtering options. Lots of RF up there!

[leaden crow]

If you can provide PoE. I would be happy to provide a Nebra instead.

[solemn sedge]

That’s really nice of you. Let me chat with our engineers and see what we can do

[leaden crow]

The Nebra uses a 1 watt amplified module and has a ceramic 915 Mhz filter. Depending on installation, I also have a cavity filter we could use instead

If you want to keep it solar. I think @real cedar might be willing to donate the Femtofox he was planning for Lowe

Discuss it and see if you can cancel your order for the Spec5.
Multiple of us on this Discord could provide better hardware.

I think both @real cedar and @obsidian storm also have extra Nebras.

[prisma saddle]

ya that could be a awesome spot

[solemn sedge]

Sweet. We’ll look into it. Anybody have a list of dream sites for nodes?

[leaden crow]

Scotts Peak (Communications Site)
I have a node on Silver Peak nearby, but I think the comm site would be better.

[pseudo kestrel]

Sorry for RxBs broadcasting to LongFast, it's not supposed to ever do that 😭

(and I'm away from home so changing the config will be problematic)

somewhat related, why does meshing-around only work on insecure dms?

[solemn sedge]

Undetermined right now. Still planning the install. We'll announce it once we have the router online.

[karmic bone]

Definitely sticking on y’all’s mesh. I actually got all the test messages I sent to my base throughout my shift 🙏🙏

(Well, all but one)

[real cedar]

Awesome. We are on frequency slot 51 reliably

We would love a node on Farnsworth. A Linux node that could be remote in and Poe would be great because then we can run a bbs on the mesh which is a utility that really improves the robustness of sending data and messages and different types of alerts obtained from the internet or hf... Over the mesh

And it allows email over mesh which is kinda cool

[solemn sedge]

A BBS would be awesome. We just began discussing the idea last week in the office. If we can put together some hardware that’s better suited for that RF environment, I think we could make some moves in that direction.

[real cedar]

We can look at filtering tightly

[solemn sedge]

@real cedar besides frequency slot 51, any other parameters I need to know? I’m firing up a new pocket node

[real cedar]

LongFast is the primary channel name
Key is AQ==

Set Lora hop limit to 7 to see the entire network

[solemn sedge]

Thank you

[prisma saddle]

hmm lol

[ember torrent]

@hallow dagger You think your Gateway could be altered to read telemetry (temperature) data and SMS a number if say the data drops below freezing?

[ember torrent]

Guess you get the notif. every time your node realizes your battery is low.

[prisma saddle]

ya lol spammed me.

[real cedar]

So mesh reception in the city is totally retarded

It's terrible

I want to figure out how to improve this. It's particularly bad Northeast of I15

Avenues is awful. East benches should have good signal but doesn't.

Could send from fault line park though due to AUR

But couldn't ping NPR

NPR feels dead sometimes haha

[pseudo kestrel]

I was at a bar ~600M from my house last night and couldn't get any signal out at all, even to my home equipment 😬

[real cedar]

I mean we do sit at 23% util a lot.. and when someone sends I bet that spikes 10% lol

[manic fractal]

Well currently, it is on a second floor but there are trees and houses in the LoS. I think getting up higher would improve the direct LoS to FPR. It's not like you're missing anything anyway. It's kind of fun but it's really just a novelty. It has some interesting capabilties but I set it up pretty barebones. It's a GitHub project by a person named SpudGunMan that you can look up.

[vital hemlock]

I used a few bbs’s for a while, ended up ditching them. We have a few nodes still making a lot of noise.

By no means am I saying don’t use them, I just didn’t need to add to the noise floor. I’m on a hill near 62nd so I see all three valley routers very well.

[manic fractal]

So I see people building and placing nodes on the mountains as repeaters. How is that funded? I suspect it might be personal funds. Is there a Venmo/CashApp/etc fund that we could donate to help offset costs? I hear there's a maker space. Is there something through that? I benefit from all of the repeaters and want to help out with materials. Just wondering.

[vital hemlock]

Very nice of you to offer. So far most of these are self funded. A few folks here have donated hardware, and sweat labor checking on nodes.

We have pretty nice coverage right now, but there are some plans to expand it still.

[manic fractal]

Yeah, I've been concerned about adding congestion to the mesh with my bot. It was a curiosity and doesn't need to be running. If it's a problem I will take it down. I don't see a lot of activity on it. It's mostly just me getting store and forward messages from the default channel when I'm at work in my hospital and have a hard time getting messages in and out.

[vital hemlock]

I will likely get a node up at the U hospital roof or heli pad, I work for the U.

You are absolutely okay to keep your nodes going how you like. I just didn’t utilize S&F like I assumed I would. And the BBS wasn’t as reliable as I hoped.

If we get a solid bbs up on the peak and it can replicate down I might re-establish mine. The meshing bbs’s seem solid, theoretically

[manic fractal]

Yeah, one reason I like the meshing-around bbs is because it’s supposed to be able to sync up through the mesh and essentially act as one large bbs instead of smaller, separate ones. I’m sure people know that. It’s just the reason I picked that one. I think the person who controls the Rax nodes has one on RaxAux but I’ve tried unsuccessfully to hit it.

[ember torrent]

Yeah, i wanted to try the novelty. Maybe get a weather forecast or something.

I thought it was @obsidian storm BBBB, but sounds like there are more than one.

[karmic bone]

What do y’all have your hip count set to? Should I leave mine at 3?

[prisma saddle]

depends on where you are at. mine are on 5-6.

[karmic bone]

So Salt Lake county would probably be less and Provo/Ogden would be more

[prisma saddle]

i’m in riverton. and use 5/6. that’s what most of us use

[karmic bone]

Gotcha. I’ll probably switch to 6 for my mobile node and 5 for my stationary one

[prisma saddle]

higher you go the further you can reach. but also has neg effects. but that numbers are the happy medium.

ish

[pseudo kestrel]

I've seen you hitting it last time I checked the log around 12:50 today, were you not getting the replies delivered to you?

[karmic bone]

Hmmmm… I’m actually not seeing RxAx in my node list 🤔

[manic fractal]

It does do weather alerts and forecasts. I have it set to give three days worth. I’m just not sure if it gives the forecast for where it’s at or where the requesting node is located. We’re all pretty close as it is so it might be a moot point. I’m sure that someone with python skills could make it do some pretty cool stuff but that’s not me. It was a fun project and I recommend it.

[manic fractal]

Yeah, I don’t imagine that people would come with pitchforks demanding that anyone take down a node but I also just don’t want to screw up a good, thriving mesh. Most of us left Slot 20 because of the shenanigans happening over there. I just don’t want to ruin the experience for anyone else.

[manic fractal]

Oh, good. I was having a problem with my node. For some reason I couldn’t see my messages to your node or any messages returning. I had it on one of the alpha firmwares. It started having a couple of other issues too. I reflashed it to the beta and reset my node database. It was wholly my issue but I appreciate you telling me what you saw in the log.

[vital hemlock]

@main stag and I were here when it was only four nodes, we’re with you on that. 20 “broke” a few years in, the right YouTube videos landed and radio count exploded. It was nuts.

[real cedar]

This could probably power lowe for a few days without solar with a Femto fox and the proper power delivery stuff

I'll probably make a back plate for this. Put the power delivery PCB on it. Will see how well this powers a Femtofox through winter haha

I was told the rule of thumb is an 18650 = 1 day

Getting the lock mechanism welded on this weekend

[ember torrent]

Do tell us more old-timer.

[vital hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/ugh-clinteastwood-gif-7887477741339860194

[real cedar]

More battery slots

printer go brrrr

running through my PC though

The only thing I dont like about the design is the bottom. It can screw up sometimes leaving you with a weird corner or weird circle that you gotta post process

[prisma saddle]

nice!!

looking good.

[real cedar]

I'm mostly waiting on my welder friend to finish the work on the metal box.

That's why this node is taking so long. But pretty soon I'm going to go take a hike and put it up there at some point. I know I have some friends that want to come along

I'm also low-key waiting for one of them to have his pregnant wife to pop while the family comes in to support. So then he can take the one-day breaks she always gives him and we can go do olympus

[prisma saddle]

haha nice. mexican food? lol.

[real cedar]

Wat?

[real cedar]

indeed

[prisma saddle]

oh heard spicey foods induce laber.

[real cedar]

Settings are pretty well nailed.. Like ive touched just about every dial. I get retardedly good layer adhesion and the tolerances are so good I dont need glue at all ever.

[real cedar]

I know his wife. very well. This will do exactly nothing to disturb the day shes going to go or not

[prisma saddle]

haha. 😉

[real cedar]

Ironing leaves such a wonderful surface finish

[main stag]

Back in my day. Before the mountain routers. We had to walk uphill both ways to get a connection to another node. 😂

[ember torrent]

*to the other node.

😆

[prisma saddle]

in snow. and shirts.

[real cedar]

I cannot be accused of ever doing such things but what I can be accused for is getting stuck in a spring blizzard behind Francis peak in a bad spot to be without any protection from the elements

😂

What a night that was

[real cedar]

Hah no my situation was much worse. Break in the rain on a cool foggy silent hill like night on the ascent. Foolishly believing that this was the end of a storm and the remnants that usually roll all of the early dawn hours because mind you it's midnight by the time I'm closing unknowingly on the back side of the cliff behind the Francis peak station. Mind you I now see the lights of the valley dimming rather rapidly and a total loss of all star and moonlight shining through. Me being a hanglider immediately realize that tonight's about to be my last night if I don't head back 4 hours ago.

Feet of snow fell before I was out dude. I was dressed for 50 degrees and rain. So at the very least that kept the snow out. Now I was not delighted to have both a bear and a mountain lion take interest in me. Good thing I carried many backup power cells to keep all my means of comms powered. I basically had to huddle under brush with some make shift tent for like a couple hours of cold nap before getting back on my way down Farmington canyon during a flood. The node survived the deluge with me. But I did not reach your mount points up there. 🤣

Not to mention your already stuck in what you realize is drifts at the top .. which is how you get buried in a snow storm

Those cornices were gnarly even in late spring

[leaden crow]

Happens to me almost every year at some point. This was on June 22 this year. I showed up in shorts and short sleeve jersey.

Difficult to tell, but everything covered in frost..snow was just starting.

[real cedar]

The joys of placing nodes in our topo. And the Devs wanna force us to firmware upgrade 😆

Come on man

🤣

Anyways I want to move to mesh core sometimes but not all our hardware seems compatible.. kinda wanna see if ShortFast mesh solved all our issues

[leaden crow]

I'm going to have a bad day when I need to upgrade that one. Tree was super hard for me to climb, and covered in sap afterwords.

[real cedar]

Do it with Bluetooth. Seriously

It's doable if you put the phone on a branch

[leaden crow]

I need to figure that out. You need to use some Nordic app, right?

[real cedar]

Yes nrf52 connect

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=no.nordicsemi.android.mcp

[leaden crow]

That one is a RAK, but I think the Seeed need some special firmware before the bluetooth firmware update will work.

[real cedar]

Oh. I don't know about that. I also low key hate the stupid seed

There's so many QOL problems

Buttons

Like the choices made did not need to be made the way they were

Bash is right

😆

[leaden crow]

I think it needs this bootloader
#nrf52 message

[real cedar]

Pin that

Also my dumb tracker card got stuck in the LED solid on unresponsive.. so I waited til the battery died

Gonna try to recharge

[leaden crow]

Read the messages before / after that one. I don't know if anyone has the instructions better documented, but it sounds like it needs some OTA update.

[leaden crow]

Mine got stuck in a bad state once, the double tap with the pogo pin charger fixed it.

[leaden crow]

Question; Can the android app backup / restore all settings. Basically the same as cli --export-config / --import ?
It seems like a bunch of the firmware upgrades do a full node reset. It would suck to do the bluetooth firware update and lose all your settings out in the field.

[real cedar]

Yes

It literally executes that command over Bluetooth to the firmware itself

It's a full yaml

[leaden crow]

Fuck. I don't think iOS app can do that, at least I can't find it.

[real cedar]

So Lowe peak

Femtofox

8x 21700s

Rubicon caps on each pack

All into those screw terminals and out to the Femtofox as clean 5V power

Lock mechanism got welded 🤣

Steel on steel here

The chosen big boy antenna

Gonna have to figure out how to securely mount that

Beefy ass lightning arrestor

Filter. And I'll figure out the coupling but this is the idea

Then I'll just remote execute BBSadmin over mesh

So the RF line will be grounded to the tower and ideally imma 3d print some well fit but also lexel Insulated interior plastic box that slides into the metal so we have stuff ESD shielded with nylon

So this should survive a lightning strike assuming the gas discharge tube isn't cracked

Which will be awesome to not have to worry about

Solar panel might get cooked though

Anyways I'm getting closer to realizing a more final form. I do want a sizeable solar panel on it. So I'm going with the acopower. It's square. Should fit in well at the top

Should I do metal conduit or risk the wire getting cut?

Do you think I can use the INA to monitor line voltages and stuff with the Femtofox in addition to the BME 280

Cuz then I can know if somethings gone wrong like extended lack of insolation.

[leaden crow]

You are going to mount it to that existing tower on Lowe, right? I assume you just use something like this one of the legs:
https://www.amazon.com/Antenna-Mounting-Hardware-Sensecap-Synchrobit/dp/B09MKGFDPS

You could put a flange mount N-connector on top of your enclosure. Not sure if they are rated for antennas that large. I would be a little worried about it.

These are the mounts I made you. I primed them, but you'll need to drill and paint them.

They have a couple of flats ground on the back of the angle iron, so they won't slide off the hose clamps you mount them to pipe. Solar panel mount is between 35-40 degrees.

[real cedar]

Sweet I really need to drop by the space

I really want to get a solar panel mounted. NPTs drilled.. 3d printed panel designed. Batteries mounted in the panel after prints.. get the power supply all working right. Plug it into a Femto fox with ethernet

Then I can configure the bbs and admin keys and everything

Gotta get it right most of the way

Btw 8.5 dB antenna 😂

It's gonna be either very retarded or very amazing

We will be thumping up against the 36 dB EIRP limit

With 30 dB conducted

Filter will take it down 3 to 5. But it will also absolutely destroy out of band noise

This kind of filtered coverage would really be awesome

Stansbury RL would cover that entire area down there

I'm very excited for this placement lol

But mind you 8x21700s will become tannerite if struck dead on with a bullet or lightning lol

I'm gonna isolate chassis ground for signal and board ground and RF ground will be linked to chassis ground. That way the board electronics and filter and batteries are isolated from anything on the exterior

God i want to get it done hahahah

[leaden crow]

That steel enclosure should contain a battery fire. It will just torch everything inside.

[real cedar]

That's the hope lol. That at least we are not calling BLM fire folks in

[real cedar]

8x21700s is gonna be a sweet amount of reserve power. I think I'm going to through a cap on each 1x4 array. Plug that into the solar manager. 5V feed to Femto.. kinda think of adding a cap there for science 😆

@obsidian storm most over engineered reserve power for a bbs node yet

Should help with winter charge and discharge though. At least it will smooth stuff out significantly

If it gets extra cold at least it can respond quickly

Which seems to be the Femto fox weak point (-10 and below).. I wonder if it's capacitance

I need an anemometer that works over i2c

Any one got cheap suggestions

I want it to look like a weather station for real

[obsidian storm]

That's intense

[real cedar]

It really needs to look the role

[prisma saddle]

oh i’m excited for this to. that will rock! you been hard work with this.

[real cedar]

I've gotta make the box. I'm debating PCTG or I have ESD safe stuff let me look

[real cedar]

🤣 supreme insulation

Rubberize the entire mounting mechanism

I hate that I'm gonna spend 24 dollars of material on that but I like the idea

I have regular TPU but it's not the ESD EMI insulating type

[prisma saddle]

wow never knew of that. spec for that. nice!!

[real cedar]

The cool part is I could lexel the entire thing into place and only mount the electronics on the inside. Providing another secondary seal inside a sealed metal container

That would be sufficient to keep water out

[prisma saddle]

never used lexel before.

[real cedar]

This is the inside of this box

I need to design something to isolate all of the chassis from what's inside

The only ports being bulkheads and stuff

[real cedar]

What I need to do is cad model it all up in freecad

Place my model in it

Figure out where and what size to drill and get the last bits made in the 3dp

Gonna see if I can sandwich mount or 3dp slot mount components into the isolate space. Route cables in that

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Southwire-6-in-W-x-6-in-H-x-4-in-D-NEMA-3R-Carbon-Steel-Outdoor-Screw-Cover-Wall-Mount-Box-1-Pack-SCR-664-UPC/324638813

That's the box. Trying to find existing cad for it

[real cedar]

I have the cheap decoration part. It just would be nice to have wind direction and speed

[ember torrent]

https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1260693979591082015

[leaden crow]

Looks like he has another video of his serial out mod. That weather station looks nice for $100.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpVVf8dRDc4

[hallow dagger]

This is great news! Finally a legal router node! 🤣 I would strongly encourage you to coordinate with the community here. With network access, and ideally POE, we could have a future-proof router the valley.

[umbral ice]

There are no illegal nodes. Just bat houses and atmosphereic sensors >.>

[hallow dagger]

Yeah for sure. It's alkready collecting node info for access to node names. Could easily collect telemetry too. Monitoring a particualr sensor for a paritcular value is pretty specific though. I would want to implement it in a way that could apply to any sensor and any value.

[solemn sedge]

Totally agree. Coordination is key. Would love to be part of that and boost the community. We’re still in early discussions about how best to implement placement at the transmit site. Some other meshers have shown interest too. Feel free to email me: [email protected]. I find it easier to coordinate that way. I really like the approach Austin Mesh and Denver mesh are taking with the community approach.

[hallow dagger]

I have one of the latest Nebra 2W hats on the way that I'd be willing to donate to a Farnsworth node. I don't know if the in-built filtering is as good as what @real cedar and others are using though, but the 2W radio is supposed to allow us to transmit at a full 1W after losses. Filtering will be key up there, as demonstrated by NPRs (Nelson Peak) apparent deafness amidst all that noise.

[solemn sedge]

No doubt filtering will be key. There’s so much RF up there. I also think that position is a great hub for extending the network west as well. Coming from ham radio, I’m used to backhaul on link radios. I love the simplicity of LoRa.

[real cedar]

I mean that's a very double edged sword. Without feedback to tell you your broadcasting above you might as well give yourself a safe margin. Like personally I wouldn't exceed 28 conducted

[real cedar]

It is but it comes with challenges. It's great when we have a tower like your speaking of but back hauling a long distance in a state where people actually care about undisturbed nature (annoyingly so).. you have to be very choosey with how and where you put something without existing architecture or abandoned towers. I'm still game for Lowe but having both Farnsworth and Lowe could be a big help. Lowe can help see what otherwise is blocked by the oquirrs and Farnsworth just the same. As for getting out west. If you know anything about goshute peak in Nevada.. it seems to be the best area to try. What I'm looking for are abandoned sites so nobody complains about me disturbing the local environment hahah or some hippie doesn't walk up to it and vandalize it

[hallow dagger]

Agreed. Would a VNA tell you this? I don't have one but I know several of y'all do.

[real cedar]

It can but then you gotta tap and split live. It's not worth the cost on Lora unless your willing to rev your own PCB to add the addition and none of our existing semtech radios have a RF sense pin put which would let us use diode detectors for feedback

So my best advice is set it to a safe spot and don't worry about a couple dB or two below

1 watt nodes we have are strong because they have some filtering even if that just a SAW.. 30 dB saws are usually way better in terms of insertion loss than 22 or 24 dB comparable parts

[solemn sedge]

Agreed. I’m working with our engineers to secure permission on Farnsworth (and POE as well). It’s not high on their priority list to deal with, but they are amenable to exploring it. They see the value for sure. I think this is the area where I can be most useful to the community. Helping with organizing too if needed.

[real cedar]

Honestly one of our Nebras is the perfect candidate

I literally have 5. I just need to stop by the hacker space and see if bashes boards for that are still in lock up 😭. I haven't been there in a few weeks

If they are I can construct us a node that's well filtered

They have a 5 MHz wide taoglass on those boards centered on our channel I believe

[solemn sedge]

Wonderful. That’s a good deal. Feel free to email me [email protected]. I’m confident we can make this happen.

[real cedar]

For sure I will. Let me stop by the space tomorrow.. or Thursday. Get something put together and functioning. Then I'll email all the details. @leaden crow POE is native to the Nebra board correct. Like when I rip some stuff out that isn't necessary to place all our stuff on the board.. he should be able to just plug and go correct?

[hallow dagger]

I can confirm POE is native. I'm using it with mine.

[prisma saddle]

sweet can’t wait to get my nebra and play with it. they sound awesome.

[real cedar]

Excellllent

[prisma saddle]

and still waiting on femtofox to be in stock to snatch one of those up. for “science”.

[umbral ice]

Me too.

When they pop, I'll probably end up with 2 or 3.

[prisma saddle]

emailed the dude a month ago. he said in a week or 2 they would be ready so ether not ready yet or i already missed it

lol

[umbral ice]

who'd you email? The tindie store from their github said retired and the etsy store hasn't replied to me lol

[prisma saddle]

etsy.

so dunno..

[pseudo kestrel]

😬

I'd love a femtofox for my house, I just can't do the self-assembly route

[pseudo kestrel]

I hope their life becomes less chaotic soon ❤️

[hallow dagger]

I just communicated with the Etsy guy today asking the same question! He said he's away but has 30 boards ready to be tested and packaged as soon as he's back. He said possibly next week. 🤞

[leaden crow]

Anybody who has not seen it; the Comms Channel Femtofox build is a good overview (watch both in the series):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYUL_VIyXqM
Femtofox is ideal if you want a solar meshtasticd node.
If it doesn't need to be solar. There are still some Nebras available on ebay (not sure how long they will last).
#1367293403867516979 message

[leaden crow]

If you are going to stop by the space tomorrow. I can drop off those brackets I made you. I will be out of town Thurs morning, so if not tomrorow, it'll have to wait until next week.

[real cedar]

Just ask an officer to leave it in the same lock up. It depends when I get off work and this week is deadline hell thanks to management making irrational decisions lol

[leaden crow]

ok, I'll try

[real cedar]

Yeah worst case just leave them somewhere insecure with a note like in the radio room. I don't think we have stolen item issues there

[real cedar]

I'll try to be there late ish. 530 to 630 assuming I get sweet release early enough

[ember torrent]

Anyone have a repeater in the vicinity of FPR?

[leaden crow]

I don't think we have an repeaters on LF51. They would appear as FFFFFF or unknown in traceroutes.

[ember torrent]

Haven’t seen this terd before.

[leaden crow]

That is most likely NPR. Nodes on firmware <2.5 do not report their address or SNR on traceroute hops (appear as repeaters).

[ember torrent]

That’d be silly. Repeater was a hop. So youre saying FPR gobbled two hops?

If someone can turn their node to repeater and try, that’d be cool. I cant until later.

🤷🏼
Just trying to run a trace route through it and see if it says “Repeater”. Could you, then you’d most likely grab that new Repeater.

Both

There is a small chance someone named their node “Repeater”. This would eliminate that.
Eh, it wouldnt have budded in line before FPR. Nevermind.

I cant trace to the same node as i did before for unrelated reasons, but the repeater is probably gone. 🤷🏼

Whatevs. Cant worry about everyone.

[leaden crow]

No, I'm saying that was OG > NPR > FPR > 477f
I have seen a ton of traceroutes like that. It's more strange when NPR randomly is reported in a trace, like BW's

[solemn sedge]

Looking for your thoughts, mesh community. I'm a local SLC journalist who sees the mesh as a way to distribute important news alerts to users, especially when power/cell phone/internet outages occur. Think severe weather, wildfire info, street closures, threats to public safety. Nothing spammy or superfluous. Would the community find that beneficial? Would you find a dedicated news alert public channel useful?

[leaden crow]

Trust me, I have done hundreds of traceroutes. They don't always take the same path. NPR is very prominent, often gets routed through and shows up as unknown, even if the path seems odd.

[ember torrent]

This change anything?

Makes sense otherwise. Figured I couldnt see NPR in my newer location. Struggling to get south.

I’m usually FPR->AUR. Havent seem NPR in awhile.

[leaden crow]

Absolutely, and the beauty of using one of the BBS projects is that people can subscribe to these messages, and then retrieve them even if their device was offline when it was originally sent.

[leaden crow]

Haha, BW's

[ember torrent]

Well, you’ve all seen what i’ve seen.

What is “BW”?

[leaden crow]

BatmansWang

I'm just a lazy typist

[ember torrent]

Gotta define those first esé

[solemn sedge]

I love that idea. Once we have permission to use Farnsworth, I'm all about that. In the meantime, would another public "news alert" channel be helpful? That way, interested users could add it and we wouldn't bother those who aren't?

[leaden crow]

I'm not sure the state that they are in right night, but we've had BBS setup that could do a bunch of stuff. The problem is that until we have a need, it's probably not really going to get used over existing communication methods. Especially when we have maybe a few hundred people in the valley using it. I think of something like this event it could be invaluable:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_Hurricane_Helene_in_North_Carolina
The HAM repeaters were hammered during this event, coordinating efforts. I actually think if they had a built out mesh. It would've been a better solution.

Farnsworth has got to have infrastructure to keep the broadcast equipment going.

But you're not wrong.

[solemn sedge]

We do. Generators with days of fuel to keep everything running. We have engineers stationed there for days at a time during normal circumstances just to maintain it all.

True. Big fan of backup power, like solar to take over in such contingencies.

[hallow dagger]

Love the idea. A separate public channel makes the most sense to me, and would generate the least amount of traffic on the mesh. Store-and-forward thru a BBS would potentially generate a whole lot of messages going out to individuals as opposed to a single message to the public channel. Sure a message could be missed, but in an emergency situation where other comms are down we'd be glued to our radios anyway.

[ember torrent]

Sounds neat, but redundant.

[prisma saddle]

i’d still have batts stuff and or solar.

[umbral ice]

So, the LongFast 51 proposed and there is buy in. Need to communicate it out before swapping everyone here over and then getting Harrison up. Also, I know @real cedar dropped the the name of Intermountain mesh, and as it turns out one of the guys here already owns Intermountainmesh.com and .net

[real cedar]

we got freq51 instead

@obsidian storm is hosting

https://freq51.net/

I need to make docs

LOL

[prisma saddle]

slacker.

[umbral ice]

I wasn’t sure what name got landed on as a final product. In the meeting, I just sort of combined the concepts and was calling it Intermountain51 lol

[prisma saddle]

think that was looked at at first. but landed in freq51.

[white field]

https://github.com/meshtastic/Meshtastic-Apple/pull/1313

I'm trying to get the Burning Man offline maps hardcoded into Meshtastic iOS. 😂

I think this is gonna actually happen. Will save so much hassle for all the users at the event since it means they get an offline vector overlay for the cost of ~200kb app size - out of 24mb)

I might actually have time to tending to my nodes once this wraps up.

[real cedar]

I should probably get promontory designed too huh? And go for a hike this weekend now that it's getting closer to when you might deploy Harrison?

I'm debating on what to use. Part of me wants to just use a filtered rak

1 watts a pain

[umbral ice]

what specifically makes it a pain?

[real cedar]

Power needs, remote maintenance isn't as smooth. They are usually Linux nodes

Like a femtofox or a pain

And this one's gonna be extra remote

Part of me really wants it to be turn key like a rak

[umbral ice]

ah makes sense. harrison is nice because it's got road access as long as its open

[real cedar]

Yeah so I'm thinking of just putting it on top of the random mountain higher than true prom point
https://maps.app.goo.gl/jF2N1B7LCwzt41PM8

I'll be bush whacking my entire way up

But it will have the best LOS

Like there's no trial to this peak. Just you and the terrain lol

I'll be dragging a pipe. Some construction materials and a backup full of water.

[umbral ice]

I gotta work up to that ;P

Also, and unrelated, I'm going to be driving to the SLC airport on Monday, flying to RI, then coming back on Wednesday. Anyone wanna do a late lunch or dinner while i'm there? 😛 I think I land at like 2pm give or take

[solemn sedge]

Intermountain Mesh is nice. It’s snappy and leaves no ambiguity about what it is. Through lines to the greater mesh community too. From a public-facing perspective, this is a good choice.

[real cedar]

Switching would mean Bash bummed out cash for Domain that we won't use anymore

Haha

[umbral ice]

Could always just forward all these domains (idmesh.com, intermountainmesh.com, intermountainmesh.net) that domain happy people buy to freq51

[real cedar]

So I have a route up to Lowe in winter to service our BBS router. I can make it easy on skins and enjoy some back country skiing so I'm way less apprehensive of lowering the amount of batteries I'm putting in jt

[real cedar]

That do be true. All we need are DNS redirects

But it also made me realize

Lowe gets alot more snow than the rest of oquirrhs

I need to mount it high on the abandoned tower

[leaden crow]

My last attempt at little water peak was a failure. It's only ~1 mile hike from millcreek meadows off the crest, but I only made it about 1/3 of the way and realized I wouldn't make it back before dark. satellite map looked like it had game trails, but it was rough bushwacking.

[real cedar]

😂 well. Not that lush of bushes for me. More like high prairie BS and sage brush. So hopefully it goes better than the forests

I just have to deal with the cheat grass and goat heads

[leaden crow]

I got bit by something (think it was a spider) that gave me a fever that night. Never had that happen before. I bought cycling pants for the next attempt.

[real cedar]

Yeah I've got another much more pressing concern than spiders. The areas known for the amount of western diamondbacks it has

Time to say hello 😆

[leaden crow]

I should probably be worried about that too going through thick brush. I have seen at least a few rattlesnakes in millcreek.

[solemn sedge]

Kudos for the effort and bushwhacking. Fever spiders win bragging rights.

I feel like the new kid at the lunch table, but does the group have regular meetups?

[leaden crow]

I wouldn't say regular, but we've had a few at the hackerspace. Thurs nights are always busy and at least a few people talking about or working on meshtastic projects.

https://www.801labs.org/

I think they are happy to host more if someone takes the initiative to schedule an event. @real cedar did a training a few weeks ago when I was out of town.

[leaden crow]

I was going to place it. I had the node with me. I have never been to that peak, so I knew there was a chance I wouldn't make it there or find a suitable tree.

[real cedar]

We don't but 801labs does. I do try to organize a radio night or two but it's also summer and I'm kicking back a bit. Enjoying the outdoors and heat haah

@leaden crow for those soshine panels

Do you have some suggested 3d model or print files I can modify

I want to make a mount with minimal effort that sits at 37 degrees up. Facing south and I want to be able to cut it into subcomponents and JB weld the 3d printed pieces together

And bolt them as extra clamping

That way I can use it as a base to modify from for all panels

[prisma saddle]

im trying to do the same. a good mount for it.

[leaden crow]

I like this mount system the best:
https://www.printables.com/model/221500-meshtastic-6w-solar-enclosure-base-station-lora-no
This is my hack to add a larger enclosure to that panel mount system:
https://www.printables.com/model/1307700-frogbox-for-voltaic-v1
I also like these ones:
https://www.printables.com/model/820212-meshtastic-solar-base-station
https://www.printables.com/model/877883-soshine-solar-panel-mount-for-meshtastic

If you ended up using mine. I recommend adding the holes you need to the print. I've had a couple of them crack when drilling them.
I do have versions with holes for PG7 cable gland and either N or SMA connector. On mine, I undersize the holes so I can tap them. I've never had a cracking problem when using the cheap NEMA boxes you can buy on Amazon, so I guess that's a good reason to do one of the last 2 prints and just buy the box.

[real cedar]

Thanks I'll take a look and run some on the printer as PLA and see what I like before making a final form

I want to be able to print.. place go for all my hardware. I might just add in extra printed stuff so I can find a place I want to put something. Print the proper mount.. print the enclosure. And done in a day or two

I kinda wanna churn out all the agreed upon routers before august is over for me

So I can just remote switch them all over haha

And we can be on SF by winter (at the peaks)

I guess I could toy around with making us a truly universal Utah mesh enclosure?

Like have keep our designated areas with multiple stand offs. One corner has mounts for all the major different node boards and RPI and Femto. Lid gets the battery array. Middle gets power delivery. Sensors on bottom. Antenna bulk head holes inlaid at the top for common type N and SMA bulk heads

That way all someone has to do is print and insert hardware?

God I wish I had more time on my hands

Like I have some of these ideas I really want to make for convenience for us

How nice would it be to just hit print.. wait 8 or so hours.. get it fresh out. Insert stand off for your desired hardware hook it up. Mount it .. done

Rather than all the toying around you gotta do with off the shelf enclosures

[prisma saddle]

I love that idea, ya.. def would be awesome

[real cedar]

Here's to me learning more of freecads eccentricities

@maiden wraith hey you don't actually have a GPS in FPR right?

You just broadcast fake loc

Cool. I might make a config modication from work today to test something if you don't mind

Yeah let's hope remoting in doesn't cause it to go into DFU mode again

Or one of us is going up on mini bikes 😂

I could take the DRZ up but DNR hates when I go off trail

Did that die?

I haven't heard it in 5 hrs with direct LOS

Could have been lightning just induced a current and zapped it 😂

Well I can't talk to it

All my stuff is routing through my car to NPR and AUR from here

I went to the back side of the building where I only see FPR

It's not chatting

Lmk if you manage to get it online

@maiden wraith what I might do if I were you is go back up. Try to get the temp sensor working. If it doesn't. Unplug it so it doesn't hang the bus

And reboot it

I'm sort of unsurprised some of this is happening. The heltecs have been known to not really survive, even indirect lightning strikes or even basic ESD. RAKs are more resilient and actually have lots of ESD and over current protection onboard

It could be that a lightning strike got nearby and fried something who knows. But I would definitely go up and see what's going on

You know it's about 2 days ago when I noticed a drastic drop in traffic at my house which could only be explained by the loss of fpr. I mean I can still route out thanks to C6C but lol I'll go put prom point up and give us a redundant link

I still haven't figured out Ben Lommy

I think a lot of the reset issue is actually came from the bootloader problem

Most people didn't realize that the bootloader has a specific version and when they went in and reset it properly with the factory reset, they used the wrong version

We had this problem on the t1000e's at the hacker space

Given it's nearly the same MCU, it's not unreasonable to assume they're susceptible to the same problem. When I went ahead and did everything properly with the proper versions, I never had a reset issue

It just took me awhile to stumble on what was causing it

There's BL6.1 and 7.3 t1000e's are 7.3 .. I believe rak4630s are 6.1 and rak 4631s are 7.3

But really when it comes to environment resistance. The rak boards are better than haltech. I mean I had one flooded 7 times now and it's always come back 🤣😭

I really want the t116 to be good though cuz it would be nice to have a node at half the price of a rak

Same with the xiao

I have like 15 of those. So we can def try other node archs

Also because your on an abandoned tower @maiden wraith if you didn't use a lightning arrestor I recommend them. If you have a good ground. Make sure it's a reputable company and not half asked. Either drill a hole to screw the entire arrestor into it or slap an 8 AWG marine grade copper wire to both the tower and the arrestor and that should protect your radio in the event of catastrophe.

It's what I'm gonna do on Lowe peaks router

Fully lightning arresting

[ember torrent]

If you do, share what you find?

What route you take up?

[real cedar]

I mean I got RAKs too. I got lots of hardware haha. I really think a lightning arrestor would be smart

Francis peak has so much lightning mitigation and counter posing that it literally attracts the bolts

To the rods

Which is bad news for abandoned metal objects in the area hahaha

[ember torrent]

Farmington canyon? Wondering if there is a more Northern access.

[real cedar]

If you want to go up the great Western trail 🤣 from Weber canyon lol

But it's a long haul

[real cedar]

Good luck this weekend. I should get a lot of stuff built this weekend

I need to plan the timing of my ascents.. I think I'm gonna start early.. as early as the sun affords me.. before the slithering critters are out on promontory point

As for fixing NPR .. guys. I need to plan a place to park my car to deploy the mini bike to go up npr road

Cuz that's the only way I'm not pissing off the mine

As for Lowe.. very soon (tm)

Olympus: after friends wife had baby

[real cedar]

your favorite is perfect for me drilling into olympus' cliff side and driving in huge anchors for a big pipe and beefy clamps for this

im getting stuff switched over to CF nylon rn

imma churn out some of these and get better coverage going

especially for cheaper xiao nodes

I got lots of soshines

So nice to just have this button now
I love orca

well crap. I forgot to preheat the pa-cf this morning

[leaden crow]

Yes. I actually have a better mounting plate for doing exactly that. Let me find it.

This plate bracket will bolt straight to the voltaic V1. You need M4 screws and M4 square nuts. I have a whole bunch. I'll just give you some.

@real cedar Also, I'm sorry, but I ran out of time and didn't make it to the space to drop off those mounts. Got out of work late and camper propane tanks were unexpectedly empty.

[real cedar]

ehhh no worries. I will probably have to figure out my own mount

anyone got pictures of the abandoned station?

[prisma saddle]

I think you need more macros.

[real cedar]

for now no. this isnt the printers final form

many mods to come

[prisma saddle]

ha ha. was going to say that is not enough

[real cedar]

im actually going to be moving to simple af

[prisma saddle]

all i have is warm up temps based on the filament and one for bed level temp, or change nozzle, or change filament.

[real cedar]

with a cartographer sensor

I dont feel like customizing until ive switched

[prisma saddle]

so like 8

ah cool

[real cedar]

https://pellcorp.github.io/creality-wiki/cartographer/

[prisma saddle]

ypu was just reading it over.. dontthink it would work with my e3 v2.

looks like e3 v3 or k1

or e5

[real cedar]

I have a second nebra prepared for promontory point now. I should be able to deploy these relatively swiftly. Promontory point will require me digging a post hole one a peak though

I've been thinking. Instead of Ben Lomond.. how's the adjacent peak to mt Ogden

Allen peak

There's trees up there

Well not fully. I need to figure out how to power them

I'm also thinking for the solar panels.. I might get some thick stainless steel braiding and nylon over that to make the cable far more resilient to a bad time. It also makes it fairly annoying to cut

[umbral ice]

Ben Lomond can see Harrison, but 110 miles? How do you feel about attenuation at that range?

I've been planning Southern ID around 60-90 miles

[ember torrent]

There are other ways to skin that cat I’m sure. Strategically place the node so everything else gets zapped and not your node?

You provide it a path to ground, or you dont. Insulate the hell out of it?

What does the mount look like? The pole and its structure to which the node is attached.

I.e., a grounded metal box doesn’t sound that bad. The arrestor sux, but is barely more work than the box.

I can help, but you’re right this isn’t a quick fix and it is probably not worth frying another node. I can commit some time and some money, but sounds like you know more about it all.

My understanding:
i get a metal box with a ground wire.
You will place it.
Who funds it and the build details to be determined.

[ember torrent]

Imma off the shelf kinda guy. I’d buy a box large enough and drill some holes in it with the expectation you would be able to then easily mount your equipment.
Lemme know.

[real cedar]

Ben Lomond would get taken down by locals so fast

It's just not a smart idea

It really isnt lol

We would need a sophisticated design. One meant to be part of the peak art

That is deployed at night

And idk if I even know what peak art is there currently

That is EXACTLY what I'm doing for Lowe peak with a surge arrestor

Also I'm considering adding a line protector to the solar panel. Just a quick inline resettable TVS.. thunderstorm whacks it. Make a small timer trigger circuit that flips it back on in 5 minutes

I'm definitely factoring lightning protection in because Femtofox is massively precious now

[ember torrent]

Bar aint set very high.

[real cedar]

That makes it infinitely worse

😂 you want well established big peak art because a small change is less noticeable

[prisma saddle]

lol.

[ember torrent]

Imma more along the lines of, someone has to establish said big peak art.

[real cedar]

I guess we could make it like Lowe peak with a fake anemometer

[ember torrent]

Terd up there now.

[real cedar]

And make people believe it's a real weather station

The thing is

I need a screen that turns on with prescence

So people see a realistic temp read out and stuff

That way people believe what's written on the tin

I'm taking ideas on that

Extremely low power always on display that's robust enough to survive a peak ?

[ember torrent]

New sign in box or literal art would be my vote. Hose it down in teflon so those damn kids cant apply decals.

So hella ton of work 🤣

[real cedar]

Yeah look.. imma focus on our main infra first then we can hit the moonshots

I want to do paramount mountain but that's a after we get this thing working on short fast this year

It doesn't snow until october-nov up there anyways

@maiden wraith
https://muzi.works/products/heltec-mesh-node-t114?_pos=3&_sid=e3defe692&_ss=r

I could roll the T114 at Ben lommy

I'd have to custom cust in a very well done manner a precisely fit plexiglass UV proof window for the screen

Then configure the firmware to only show weather

[real cedar]

Yeah but part of me wants it to be

Like I feel like I'd love people being like oh hey wow.. this thing tells us the weather instead of what's this box in an illegally placed pole that clearly looks home done

@maiden wraith did you get my message I sent on lora

If you have your phone and a c to c cable

You can flash a heltecs t114

All imma say is while you might have had rak issues

POTM and NPR were flawless their entire stay

🤣

Bro is already headed down that canyon . Dang it

😆 😭

[real cedar]

AMIGOOOOOO! gotta love rattlers and diamond backs around

[real cedar]

With the loss of FPR

C6C Aurora Ceresia is now a router late again

And will remain that way until we fix that issue 🤣

Look all I gotta say is.. we had our first lightning casualty

https://youtu.be/WChTqYlDjtI?si=f7afLUvWFknt_sxL

😆👌

FPR probably had all it's bits wiped by a nearby or even potentially direct strike

Did the top of that abandoned down look a little zapped at all

Or the pain chipped in a circular manner on the side of a large surface or something similar

[real cedar]

Yeah.. so metal enclosures. Shop around.. they can be as cheap as 15 bucks.. or up to 60 but those are huge

What you want are nema3r or nema4x

[ember torrent]

I think @real cedar is saying this.

[real cedar]

I really want to make nema4x enclosures

[ember torrent]

We cant home-make nema 4x enclosures.

[real cedar]

Lmao well speak for yourself.. I have a welder. I just need the scrap metal

[ember torrent]

I’ll deliver your metal to the hacker space. What you want?

[solemn sedge]

I’m not sure if this is helpful, but I use these lightning arresters on my coax between the antennas and my radios.
https://www.amazon.com/Proxicast-Lightning-Arrester-Suppressor-Connectors/dp/B0CBW5TXKV/ref=asc_df_B0CBW5TXKV?mcid=bad9cd1158f13a26b52ef586eb76437e&hvocijid=12261974510811866026-B0CBW5TXKV-&hvexpln=73&tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=721245378154&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=12261974510811866026&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9029749&hvtargid=pla-2281435179098&psc=1

They can help protect the radio from a direct strike on the antenna or the currents induced in the antenna feedline from a nearby strike.

DX engineering also has a solid product line of lightning protection gear that could be adapted for meshtastic use

https://www.dxengineering.com/search/department/grounding-and-lightning-protection?srsltid=AfmBOooRLqp3WcN1GGoQmKPlVB0UKuZMzSDVmBKV2BYM-5IjGt5pAgeE

[ember torrent]

Thanks for the help.

I think the conclusion is an arrestor helps with direct strikes and a grounded metal box helps with nearby strikes.

[real cedar]

Dude 1 watts are back in stock

https://shop.uniteng.com/product/meshtastic-mesh-device-station-edition/

Hell yes

I love station G2s

It's probably the best MCU based 1 watt node out there.

[umbral ice]

I already have 3 😀 one is probably a waste on my roof, but I have another on top of the Twin Falls hackerspace the last one is going to replace the node I’ve got in our South Hills

[real cedar]

No

In fairness

C6C is a rak limited to 24 dBm due to filter

Cb58 is C6J

And she's inside a closet

Oh yeah

Didn't catch that

The amps fucked

Test without

See what happens?

Also Umbriel is a t1000e and it's in a bag in the laundry room atm

So that should give you a baseline

I'm a couple miles from ceresia

Maybe that's all it was?

Maybe the heltecs fine

But the amp got screwed from nearby strikes

Which makes sense all amps even on coax usually have surge arrestors near them on the line

They are the most prone to indirect lightning

Baluns are too

Phahah yeah might have been very close then.. alright yeah so this next build

Amps fine but

Get that Alfa surge arrestor or Amazon one

Try to find some cheaper wago blades for surge suppression on the DC input from the solar panel

They are usually cheap

All you need is one for +/-

Ground it to the metal casing

Stainless braiding is cheap. Imma braid my solar cables

Ground it to the chassis

Just gonna give lightning every other possible path

[real cedar]

No. You get a surge suppression blade and ground it to the chassis. They are cheap to find these days. I think what 15-20 bucks. .. .. if you ground negative to the chassis any induced floating voltage on the chassis also appears on the negative line

I'm researching the best way to do it at extremely low cost

Rn

Let you know what I find

@obsidian storm @leaden crow so after studying meshtastic thoroughly.
https://meshtastic.org/docs/overview/mesh-algo/

What we need to do is get the majority of our network to be reliably acking from each other on short fast.. I think once we do that we will guarantee better message delivery.

So our guidance in documentation should be a roof node and a mobile node as the permanent combo

Also as meshes grow larger and traffic becomes more contentious, the firmware will increase these intervals. This is in addition to duty cycle, channel, and air-time utilization throttling. The latest firmware logic seems to scale back Telemetry, Position, and other PORT NUM non critical traffic for meshes larger than 40 nodes (nodes seen in the past 2 hours) using the following algorithm:

ScaledInterval = Interval * (1.0 + ((NumberOfOnlineNodes - 40) * 0.075)) For example an active mesh of 62 nodes would scale back telemetry.device_update_interval to 79.5 minutes instead of the 30 minute default

According to the math on the docs

Which checks out

So maybe we need to make our nodes talkie

So our devices all have knowledge of the size of the mesh but how do we do this without a big flood?

Maybe 1 hr weather updates from weather sensor containing devices and maybe what 2 hr device telemetry?

Or 1 hr for all others

I mean the nice thing would be we all get nice battery stats hahaha

Thoughts?

[obsidian storm]

If our nodes are so quiet they're not heard, are they really causing issues?

The idea of making more noise to make it quieter seems wrong

[real cedar]

The algorithm seems to only count online nodes as last heard in 2 hrs into account

At least so the docs seem to lead on

But I don't think we would hurt much

[obsidian storm]

That's correct. But if they're not being heard they're not really adding to the noise right?

[real cedar]

I mean it depends

What mode

Client mute probably not

But client usually rebroadcasts

I don't think any of our devices sleep very much based on battery draw

But I'm still trying to figure out how it's counted

Is it 2 hrs in the node db

Or 2hrs since last rebroadcast

but also capturing packets forever shows me the dominant use for this network still isn't text or images or social or stuff. It's telemetry and trace routes 🤣

So we got the air time to do it

MF?

we can test it. Short fast is desirable cuz 3.12 kbps

Pretty good maximum rate

[real cedar]

I'm really really curious what would happen if we all set device metrics to 3600 😂

Well these are the same devs who also didn't know we were running mtn top to mtn top when we got upset about that app update having to make us go upgrade stuff

So I take it with a grain of salt until we test in our unique situation

Not cuz I distrust their word

That puts short slow on the table too

Long time window

Same dB trade off

[obsidian storm]

Line of sight is magical

[pseudo kestrel]

I'm happy to throw RxBs, RxAx and RxTr into whatever modes y'all want to check for city visibility

[prisma saddle]

same for any of mine.

Ace and lora and 404 nodes.

[real cedar]

Whatever your highest outdoor node is client

The rest I mean up to you

[pseudo kestrel]

I meant for LF/MS/SF testing specifically ❤️

[leaden crow]

This is what bay area mesh standardized on. It seems the most promising to me.

[real cedar]

Ohhhh

[real cedar]

So the slow forms of our short mid long?

[real cedar]

@leaden crow here's the thing though, none of our hops are truly long distance

Think about it bolter to Mary's nipple is what 60 mi

Npr to fpr is 37

Fpr the promontory point is about 40

Our longest hop is going to be promontory to Harrison and that's going to be 87?

I just don't see how fast modes are unfeasible at such short distances

I mean others have talked about using short fast with 150 mile links with line of sight and omnidirectional antennas. So, I kind of wonder what makes that work?

[leaden crow]

I agree, but this is all opinion. Point is moot until we actually test, which I'm all onboard for. But I don't control any of the strategically positioned nodes. When we've determined and organized a test. I think we start out with SF. See if it is tenable. Roll to MF > MS as needed.

[real cedar]

Are they more resilient or do they hold the network back. I'm in agreement with the logic if it's a problem but I think we should test from the fastest and shortest window.. first then SS MF MS

Cuz the window is the big thing for us due to density

Over 100 nodes. We need lots of windows for them to talk and retry sending vs wasting too much air time waiting for acks and messages to send

When I read their docs and blog posts they talk about "is long fast holding your network back" and this is a bit of what they describe

I think we might find ourselves pleasantly surprised with the results lol just due to the lack of huge distances between hops. The only hops I'm particularly concerned with are FPR to Logan Peak. Prom to Harrison. Lowe to Swasey. The rest I think will work fine

God I gotta get moving faster on the nodes. I'm burning good summer day hiking time.

[real cedar]

All, I have switched all of my nodes to broadcast device metrics every 3,600 seconds as well as weather telemetry every 1800. For those with stationary nodes, let's see how many times you actually get that info

And let's see if the device is. I have are considered active on the mesh because of this or active within 2 hours

Just testing something

[prisma saddle]

sounds good will make the change

[real cedar]

I'm very curious to see what this does.

It's not sending often

[prisma saddle]

ya, see what the util ends up being. etc

[prisma saddle]

i threw my 2 roof nodes up on those settings as well as some random ones i have around the houses

[pseudo kestrel]

turns out RxBs was already at 3600 for Telemetry 😬

[ember torrent]

Are the “repeats” or “echos” simply users resending messages?

1). In the left image, it appears “solar” didnt send.
2). In the right image, an ~immediate response illustrates the message was indeed sent.

[pseudo kestrel]

Would someone be willing to help me mount my main node + solar on my handicap signs?

[real cedar]

Wow.. so BBB is very close to me

I register green SNR

I kind you not -1 dB

And I'm in Clearfield with C6J

That or it's my south facing elevated position and I'm just looking down valley with a 10 dB monstrous antenna. 📡

Btw I can now just directly see ACE nodes and stuff. I get -23.75 in my app display without even trace routing

Lmao the moment I sent a message to BBB and it gets ack'd .. my utilization temporarily spikes to 40% waiting for a reply hahahhaha

[ember torrent]

Probably. Pictures of all this?

[real cedar]

How much do y'all wanna bet that I'm breaking FCC rules now

Station G2

Acasom

12 dBi Omni

LMFAO

Might be a dB or 2 higher than 36 right now but I have no way of knowing

But my God guys.. I CAN HEAR THROUGH MULTIPLE BUILDINGS with this puppy

[real cedar]

Oh that's easy

Okay so can you 3d print stuff that's UV resistant?

[pseudo kestrel]

I have no functional printers at the moment 😭

[real cedar]

Fuck

Alright well that's harder

I was gonna say make some strut mount plate in ASA

[pseudo kestrel]

Hubby took the working one down for an "upgrade" two weeks ago

[real cedar]

Then mount the solar panel south and the node behind the same plate

[pseudo kestrel]

south faces straight into my house

[real cedar]

Then that is what you must do

[pseudo kestrel]

I was thinking two panels at ~45* facing East/West

[real cedar]

Two panels 37 degrees facing east and West can work

[pseudo kestrel]

how's the snow shedding at 37?

[real cedar]

Avy rich

🤣

Just wait for some melt

It will slide off easily

That's kind of the worst slope on a mtn too

That's how I die one day

[pseudo kestrel]

💀 Died as they lived, scrabbling on a mountain

[real cedar]

Every back country skier knows an avalanche is his or her most likely end and this why you always respect the avalanche forecasts

[real cedar]

So if I were doing this with soshines.. I would want a 2 way USB power to 1 USB C. I would want diode one way isolation for both panels

This way I can usefully combine the current

And not back feed to the shaded panel

Which you know is BAD

[pseudo kestrel]

They have a pigtail built-in for attaching two panels

[real cedar]

I thought that was in series

Let me check

I have a few

[pseudo kestrel]

unsure

[real cedar]

Cuz that would make it 12V and now you need both illuminated at once

[real cedar]

That's two panels in series

Reading the manual right now

You'd blow up the rak

With 12V

[pseudo kestrel]

I'm using the USB output off of the current panel

[real cedar]

Okay the USB can be wired in parallel but you want to diode isolate the power coming from each panel. You do not want to back feed the other panel. You'll just loose a lot of energy from the illuminated panel

If you go to Amazon you see people complaining about this issue in reviews

And it's funny cuz it's solveable

You feed both USB to a 2 way splitter. And add isolation on the two ports so they can't feed each other

[pseudo kestrel]

so the pigtail puts the two panels into series, and we want parallel. Parallel is easiest achieved by smashing the two USB outputs together with diodes to avoid reverse-current

Would that cause issues if both panels are producing power at the same time, but at different voltage/amperage?

[real cedar]

No. The diodes would be fine. The voltage is what activates a schotkky.. but you do have the potential to interfere with the MPPTs ability to know where the maximum power point is. We will see how cheap the rak is

Now what you do is you get a USB 2.0 power only cable that has over gauge wire

You cut open the insulation. Put a diode in the direction of the power going out on the VDC line. Then heat shrink and sleeve

Do the same for the other side

Diode drops the voltages by 0.6 volts

So use the DC barrels in parallel

To a USB

6V-(0.6-0.8) is plenty in tolerance for the USB 5V rail

Should work

The bright side to this is the only real failure that could occur is your device simply doesn't see power. It won't over volt the rak in this config

[pseudo kestrel]

*heltec

[real cedar]

This cheap things

Without ESD protection

Lovely

🤣

And you want this on a metal rod outdoors

The last heltec on a metal rod on a mtn

Got seppuku'd by lightning

Should still work

[pseudo kestrel]

my elevation is slightly lower than the one that got cooked XD

[real cedar]

You could just try wiring the two USB in parellel

Instead of barrels

It has regulated USB

You just need to splice and isolate the USB VDC lines

[ember torrent]

If you can find a model to mount all of this, i have a guy who can print for money.

[pseudo kestrel]

I was confused why we immediately went to splicing pigtails XD

[real cedar]

@pseudo kestrel
https://www.adafruit.com/product/6106

[real cedar]

You mentioned something that could have cooked your device

Trying to make sure you don't do that

Anyways take the DC barrels. Put a diode in them

Plug them both into the screw term

USB c to USB c

Done deal

Now IF YOU want to charge your battery and have your battery voltage instead

Splice two wires off the battery

Plug the battery in via a jumper

Instead of using USB 5v power

I prefer this route so you know your battery health

[ember torrent]

I’m okay with small model revising do make it work too. For example, Find something 90% of the way there, i can add or take features.

[pseudo kestrel]

I think it actually has a plug for the thing my battery has

[real cedar]

IT does but the heltec can't read the battery voltage through USB

I'm saying instead of giving the heltec usb

You feed the battery via that mppt

[pseudo kestrel]

OH

[real cedar]

The battery then has a splice to go to the heltec

That way you get the full charge rate of the TI true mppt onboard

Instead of the crappy heltec ldo

Lol

[ember torrent]

From my experience having things stolen in SLC, are you sure this all wont walk away one night?

[pseudo kestrel]

bolted to my handicap pole?

[pseudo kestrel]

probably attach the charge controller wires to those pads, and remount the heltec in there so I can do firmware updates a bit easier when I no longer have to use the usb cable

[real cedar]

I'll show you the way I'm building my car rak node in a sec

[prisma saddle]

is there heat shrink tubing the size of the batteries? their height?

[ember torrent]

If they really want it, bolts are a minor issue. Probably be okay, but i guess i wanted to mention it.

[leaden crow]

https://www.18650batterystore.com/collections/18650-battery-wraps
https://www.18650batterystore.com/collections/21700-battery-wraps

[real cedar]

parametric 3d print models work too

[real cedar]

Hahah yeah so gonna go full lightning protection this time?

[solemn sedge]

In radio, it’s all about the antenna!

This antenna is a homebrew, albeit for ham radio. Speaker wire and a little hardware I had around the house. Anybody building antennas for mesh? Prefer the commercial stuff?

[umbral ice]

People who make antennas are RF magicians. One guy here in southern Idaho made one and the SWR is incredible. His node is a power house

[real cedar]

I make them all the time. Being an RF and microwave eng by day. So I tend to just want to do commercial stuff cuz I don't want a second job hahaha

[solemn sedge]

I hear that!

[solemn sedge]

That looks great. Nice ground planes.

[real cedar]

I just you not this is my car node

So @ember torrent @pseudo kestrel

Jank af

Works amazingly well

Full gps

Indoor aq

A true mppt from Texas instruments and it's not even mounted properly. It just sits in there due to wire pressure and I really just don't care

It has a filter and a rak 4631

It has a super capacitor under the board that is in parallel with the battery pack

It has a Rubicon bulk capacitor in parallel with the battery pack as well

Basically I can dump current the fast and for a very long time

Without doing too much load on the battery and while this is totally Overkill for the hardware involved, I find it hilarious. It also has a real-time clock and a full GPS on board as well as a UV sensor

And I have that data going all of the time.

It dumps about 1.3 amps into the battery pack in the daytime

I skip the load on the mppt so the battery is the only load plus whatever the device is drawing but the device is drawing off those capacitors so they smooth all that stuff out and overall I get way faster charging this way

It will nearly instantly go back to full charge and I mean 100% 4.21 volts

And if it's been draining for a while because it sat in the garage, it'll go from 50 to 100% on an 8,800 milliamp hour pack in exactly the amount of time you would calculate mathematically from above, which tells me it's very efficient

[real cedar]

Polaris signal is strong

And it's in a garage that isn't connected to my building

Wait the fuck jovialis is not 3 km away

Ugh

Config problem 😂

[ember torrent]

@pseudo kestrel Find something on the internet that does what you want. We’ll go from there.

That looks like a 3d printed exclosure for your node. Does the greater community think that box will fill with water and ice if left outside?

[real cedar]

Pretty much this. Also even if the greater community does you can always seal it with lexel 😂

[leaden crow]

I printed that in ASA. One of them I submerged overnight. It didn't visibly bubble, but it had maybe a TSP of water in it the next day. I think it will be fine short of continuous immersion.

[real cedar]

@prisma saddle with all my new intervals. Network utilization remains unperturbed

That tells me there's a lot of room on the channel

So I've dug into some things about mesh core .. I also started experimenting with it here and there's some things I don't like. It's not like meshtastic like I would have expected.

It requires you manually set destination routes and active routers as the user

And as a router admin you've gotta apparently set for best reliability all the routers available next hop routers

Like you could do it all auto but then your just back to meshtastics 7 hop limit and anyone can get it. Which on the plus side is a good thing. From what I can tell mesh core doesn't actually make a mesh

It relies on all the users configuring it all properly to be reliable. Where as meshtastic by default your in client mode and you all contribute to rebroadcasting

And on mesh core only select devices rebroadcast the rest do not which isn't good for urban environments. It's fine for big open spans of geography for sure. But hey maybe both projects will mix and match

[prisma saddle]

oh dang, and thats not going to happen lol

[prisma saddle]

thats good to hear.

[real cedar]

It's not a bad idea .. it definitely could happen but that's the difference in approaches right

How much control do you give the user over routing

I personally think meshtastic could really benefit from blacklists that truly black list and ignore. As in refuse to rebroadcast packets from xyz device list.

I also think meshtastic could benefit from improving the router nodes. Like maybe give the routers some special ability to program in other routers and paths as an option. Like if you know your routers next hop routers as an admin. Why not be able to say if I can't see XYZ device ask next hop list who sees XYZ most reliably and then route

Would be a really nice feature to have

I need to focus on getting our stuff up now. Been playing around with too many side projects

Also need to get my masters stuff sorted.

[prisma saddle]

cool ya agree, with those features. would def help routing in general as it seems sometimes it does not know on its own. like if im routing through a local client a few miles down the road, but i have great signal and can forsure route rhough npr or why not force that.

[real cedar]

Dude it's like me right now

Aurora Ceresia is a router late. It's perfectly positioned

But a couple nodes that are clients literally broadcast first for me

And I end up routing through unideal routes for literally no reason

It's extremely inefficient haha

[prisma saddle]

Agreed. ya would be a great feature.....

[real cedar]

I need to build my ski node and the Brighton bat house. If Wasatch crest is beating away where I think it is I think I know where to put these

And then I need to build my mobile back country node. I think it's gonna be a station g2

With a portable battery pack. Some water proof case and stuff

Full 1 watt while I'm out there

[prisma saddle]

Fun builds, hows lowes going?

[real cedar]

Halted for now until I fix my 3d printers sensor mount

But soon

Soooon sooon soon

[leaden crow]

I've been up on Crest and at Solitude multiple times. I have pretty good connectivity to WC1 from up there, and it is receiving all the messages from the valley. I'll most likely attempt placing WC2 again on Thurs or Sat. If I can't find a serviceable route to Little Water peak. I'll start looking for an alternate placement.

[real cedar]

I haven't seen WC1 up here

Why is that

Can it just not transmit back to the valley and only receive

[leaden crow]

Correct, the only node it has LoS is NPR, which apparently can't hear it.
I can drive to this area and message / traceroute it directly, but nothing in the valley exists in this cone.

[real cedar]

It's searing in my car.. haha my mesh node be coooked

[real cedar]

Oh shit my buddy lives in white city hang on

I'll talk to him. See if he wants to help me put a Xiao out there

I kinda want to put it within LOS of two places. 6th Ave and Clearfield

[leaden crow]

I'll give him the hardware if he's in a good spot (well, assuming I don't fix the problem with WC2 first)

[real cedar]

That way my 3 friends have a good reliably relay

[real cedar]

He doesn't live there in the red spots

But we would be posting this up on park infra or Jordan river infra

That or across the way to daybreak

The point would be that he's Trojan. I'm Umbriel and my other buddy is rufio. And if we had one central client node that could relay worst case for all of us. We would be very pleased

[leaden crow]

If WC2 doesn't work out. I'll find somewhere in that cone to place it.

WC2 is a better alternative, it has a good window to existing nodes in the valley and Lowe

[real cedar]

Nah keep with WC2. Imma look at that cone and make a Xiao node

I suddenly gave myself a reason

That and I need to post one up near the university and one on benches

Give these upper nooks a chance

Their signal sucks as bad as inner city

[long crown]

I was up on baldy the other morning and there is a little weather station up there. It would have a good view of NPR at least and could maybe see some of the crest nodes. Would that be worth exploring?

[leaden crow]

I used to know an exec at Snowbird, but he left a few years ago to work for a different resort. I bet if we found / asked the right person, they'd allow it. Edit, I guess Baldy is technically on the Alta side.

[prisma saddle]

heading up to set up the first hobble Creek Canyon node

[prisma saddle]

gonna just be on the cabin. till i get one on top of somewhere to connect it npr or future lake mountain and or solar 1/3

[real cedar]

If you can get permission. I can make baldy's node.. I've personally inspected that station and know some of the specs because I was up there doing the chutes on a casual day last good season

Thing is we will need to make it shock resistant

IK10 would be smart

The reason

Explosives

🧨

They are used all winter haha

[prisma saddle]

There we go. eventually i’ll throw a pi on it. since i have wifi here.

[leaden crow]

What does your heywhatsthat look like?

[real cedar]

Should I start a central repo of all existing site maps and hey what's that data?

I can spin those up kinda easy

Maybe we can just put it on Google drive idk?

[prisma saddle]

eh its not high up, just on my balcony so far. I need to put one on the mountain above still

[prisma saddle]

I think it could be useful.

[leaden crow]

Still would be helpful. It would show which mountain peaks your balcony can reach for planning.

[prisma saddle]

true i do know of the one @real cedar told me to toss it on.

[real cedar]

@obsidian storm can our docs software you hosted take a logged in access controlled part of it. Like could we have most of the docs out but you gotta login for privileged info?

[prisma saddle]

ya still got to get up here. https://www.google.com/maps/place/Springville,+UT+84663/@40.2280643,-111.4791583,5698m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x874deac568edc74b:0xd328ac5413cdf4b2!8m2!3d40.2226949!4d-111.4651379!16s%2Fg%2F11c66s0nwj?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDcyMC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

[prisma saddle]

femtofox in stock. gogogo

@real cedar @umbral ice

[umbral ice]

3 incoming lol

Thanks!

[prisma saddle]

i got 2

lol.

https://www.etsy.com/listing/1861858340/?ref=share_ios_native_control

should be fine

fun.

@leaden crow

@obsidian storm if you need any.

[obsidian storm]

I really want the one that just makes it so you can plug it into any computer as a USB device and turn it into a meshtastic box

MeshToad or something similar

[prisma saddle]

oh that could be cool. ya i’ve been wanting one near my comp to mess around with so i can do contact app.

[leaden crow]

I couldn't find an acceptable tree for WC2 today, but I did find this at the top of Reynolds Peak. I have some contacts at UDOT. I'm tempted to see if I could get the locations of all their weather stations and permission to mount nodes.

That Yagi antenna could be ISM. I wonder if they would shoot it down just based on potential interference?

Looks very similar to this one
https://www.wilsonsignalbooster.com/products/wilson-301111-700-900-mhz-yagi-antenna

[real cedar]

They are ism

Haha

But licensed

902-928 industrial

[long crown]

Well, my tree node is no more. Squirrel chewed my Ethernet cable 😞

I’ll need to find another use for my pi with the E22 radio since I don’t know if I’ll go to the effort of putting it back up. I’d probably need conduit if I wanted to be sure it wouldn’t happen again.

If it can be used in the SLC area mesh somewhere I’d donate it.

[real cedar]

Pi nodes are rough. They require a lot of power. Might I suggest building a more robust tree node. No reason you couldn't try to put up flexible conduit. Rope that to the tree. Squirrels won't eat metal

[long crown]

That’s true. Flexible would be easy. Even if it’s the plastic stuff would be fine.

It’s POE which is nice.

[real cedar]

Metal is the only way

Plastics too brittle

In the long term

[leaden crow]

Honestly, I would probably just move it to your roof. You probably don't need it in the tree, especially with all the router improvements we'll have in the valley soon.

[long crown]

Yeah that’s a good point. I’ve got power on my old swamp cooler too.

[real cedar]

Soon (tm)

Aiming for the weekend after that second week of august

For lowe

For Olympus (before snow)

For promontory point (undetermined)

[real cedar]

One of my biggest problems in building this is I'll build them. But then when I get to finally constructing them and putting them together I'm always having to take out and put stuff back in regardless of planning 😂. Especially with all these make shift boxes. Really gotta make some better blueprints for myself

[long crown]

I had reached out to Alta ski patrol about their weather station on Baldy and they said they’ve had similar requests before and they don’t allow anything but ski patrol hardware up there. So bummer on that.

[vital hemlock]

bummer

[prisma saddle]

the 6w soshine panels, the thing to open the back where the plugs are. how does one open that? i cant seem to do it. too afriad to crack the panel.

do you guys cut off the usb? im using the barrel plug

[leaden crow]

I got that cover off one of them. It's potted inside, no point taking the cover off. I would just clip off the plug you're not using.

Be careful with that barrel jack, it's not regulated and will spike to 6V, which is over the rating for RAK and some other built in solar charge controllers. The USB side is the only one regulated to 5V.

[real cedar]

I'm actually not surprised about Alta. The main reason I say that is I actually know what instrumentation is up there because the last company I worked for designed it and it's pretty frequency adjacent and you'll really will easily interfere with it. Even if it seems like just a weather station it's often not. There's also a repeater for the radios that the ski patrol possesses

I was trying not to say much earlier and I wanted to see if you guys took a whack at it. Mostly because I have a lot of NDA stuff I have to be very careful about

[real cedar]

If you have a separate MPPT like I do, it's actually very useful to go off the barrel jack cuz you get as much output from the solar panel as you can derive

The MPPT bypasses the onboard charge controller and it's not regulated so you get the direct panel output and thus the MPPT is able to match better

Then just tap your rak into the batteries directly and you really have the best of both worlds and you get all the status readouts on your device metrics

[prisma saddle]

sounds good. thanks.

[prisma saddle]

ya the barrel is more powa! i have looked over some mppt as i don’t want fry my rak or any others. making this new node for pops on grantsville. .

been a few on amazon. but not sure if one is better than the other.

[prisma saddle]

i do have a wave share i could use on this one.

[real cedar]

So the MPPT that is best for that is the adafruit bq TI based MPPT

[real cedar]

https://www.adafruit.com/product/6106

I have 10 of these

They are useful for small low power efficient projects