US - Utah

[obsidian storm]

You'll also want to figure out how to mount that to a pole & solar panel

[real cedar]

It is a ton of work. Thanks homie it's on order

[real cedar]

I drill holes and ubolt and stuff with lexel in the gaps

[obsidian storm]

so it's a vertical panel?

[real cedar]

That ought to work. I'll put to plates of metal that guard the plastic. And yes it is but I will be changing that

It will become pole mounted

Aimed south

41 degree tilt for winter

I've got a 10 watt square acopower solar panel. It's cute And perfect for it. It's like a square version of the soshine

Compact and easy to make stuff for

Imma check with the femtofox folks on what they recommend if it must be long term powered by battery

Alright got the question asked. For now I'll prepare 8x 21700s for the femto. 🤣 cuz I have the requirement that should something go wrong for a 1 watt node I want 14 days notice.. 3 days to see it.. 2 days for hope. 9 days for the plan and making the trip in winter. Y'all think I'm joking but I getting a new pair of snowshoes closer to black Friday. I'll be up when people need me to go do something like being forced to update firmware 😂

The Raks may have been reliable but that same reliability is not proven for pis, femtos and 1 watt node designs. I'd like at least a backup plan and time to handle an emergency with it HAHA

[real cedar]

As a point of paranoia @obsidian storm I'm adding a triple INA2XX on a single addressable i2c board to the node so that the luckfox can monitor its entire power delivery chain and deliver it over mesh.. It will have a Voltage measurement for solar panel output. It will measure the voltage of the batteries and the voltage of the Boost converter to being it to USB power

That way we can diagnose remotely

Might make a custom !dx macro for it

I have the boards. They are tiny and cheap

I just got it soldered and ready to go

Each also has a fully addressable Fault or OK light

So if someone goes up they can easily see what part has failed

We will see how much I get coded up before I send it out LOL

As a point of overkill. Marine grade wire is being used

Should I add weather? I'll ask the femtofox guys if it's possible

I think it should be but I dont want to overload their i2c bus. BME and a INA could hang the bus

LADIES AND GENTS NPR IS GETTING A WEATHER SENSOR 🤣

Its doable

And I'll be passing it to meshD to give it to y'all native on the apps. Power metrics potentially to

It will have a LAN port for servicing.. If others wish to be admins. I need your ssh ed25519 public key.

[obsidian storm]

outdoor weather sensor?

[real cedar]

No. I'm going to 3d print a IP67 baffle that will allow air exhange but snow and water and dust will struggle to get through.. Its a BME280. It will stay in the case

[obsidian storm]

what os do you put on the femtofox?

[real cedar]

https://github.com/femtofox/femtofox/wiki/Getting-Started

[obsidian storm]

what OS should we put on these nebras?

[real cedar]

RTC will be onboard

[real cedar]

It depends

How lazy are you

[obsidian storm]

no gentoo please

[real cedar]

Wait. What pi are they

[obsidian storm]

CM3

[real cedar]

No that'd masochism at pi speeds

[obsidian storm]

but I don't love rpi os

[real cedar]

I've had great luck with alpine
https://wiki.alpinelinux.org/wiki/Raspberry_Pi

It just needs python

You don't need more than minimal linux

[obsidian storm]

I need something minimal RAM

so that looks nice

[real cedar]

The only 2 distros lower RAM are void Linux (my daily).. And making a Just Enough OS for meshtastic

Alpines lazy min Max route

I'm gonna load it onto the nebra this weekend. I'm waiting on NPRs enclosure until Saturday anyways

So there's some time before I get it put together. I have the electronics and can get the setup going ahead of time

ALL my VMs and hosted services run
https://alpinelinux.org/about/

So I'm very experienced solving issues on it if you have one

Oh

🤣

NATIVE COMPILED package already there
https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/package/edge/testing/x86_64/py3-meshtastic

Awesome

I'm probably going to go the manual route and clone git

I have a few things I'd like to do extra

For RPIs I use Edge testing believe it or not. It's been super stable. Alpines got an if it ain't broke don't fix it dev team @obsidian storm

Now. If NPR is my node. I kinda want a wild ability. I want to be able to remote admin it to be a remote admin proxy for me.. Since if sees more. I want a script that does it. It's gotta be possible. How lit would it be if that was reliable haha

Ping npr with public key

Add tons of admin if we want

Use NPR pub key

Inb4 someone shows me a RADIUS over Mesh Admin Project already exists (someone ask your chat gpt overlords)

Imma go hit up hackerspace chat

You asked for NPR to be awesome. A remote admin triggerable reconfig for everyone in a central location to remote admin other nodes with its public key.

Bypassing the need to upgrade firmware when those issues happen on clients

1 router.. Proxy admins every other router. Making reconfig over mesh easy and reliable since they should be able to see each other without any extra hops or too many hops that is. So fixing a node fixes not only the node but another collective problem for us. Particularly for jacobs owl Router 😭

^^ the vision

[real cedar]

And I'll make NPR messagble haha

https://www.acopower.com/products/hy-12m-10w

So I paint these black up until the actual edge of the panel. It's makes them way more discrete after attaching the node anf pole mount. I need to adjust the dimensions and do some test prints. Also the panel is 23% efficient and US made. I'm using a Texas instruments BQ charge controller true MPPT chip for maximum efficiency..

https://github.com/SpudGunMan/meshing-around?tab=readme-ov-file#bbs-link

Hmmm

BBS needs maintenance. I'll need remotely trigerable scripts for that

Gonna have to whip something up

[pseudo kestrel]

I've been meaning to ask, will the BBS have its own channel for machine/machine data sync between individual nodes?

[lunar crest]

https://tenor.com/view/recognizer-tron-recognizer-gif-21397238

[real cedar]

I'm not sure yet haha

[real cedar]

That looks expensive haha

[real cedar]

@ember torrent please us know if you want compensation.. Also we should probably paint it a desert brown huh? To UV protect it

[real cedar]

Talking to a couple people who'd know how to do this exceptionally well. Gonna see if I can make this a reality for NPR

[ember torrent]

My compensation is using y’alls nodes. It was scraped 15 years ago by a previous employer, and I’ve been carrying it around waiting for something to use it on. Used its sibling to support a tree for a few years, but crushed the top 6” banging on it with a mallet.

Yeah, thermosets are plastic and should break down. That being said, I’m not sure how long it would take to break down, but i reckon we’d get 5-10 years easy. It would need a scuff sand and acetone wipe before paint.

[real cedar]

Excellent. I'll paint and protect it

It won't see UV

Thanks homie. Get that over to Littleton if you can or drop it by the hackerspace leaving it for crimson 6 or Bash.. Just @ us if you do

@obsidian storm I decided to be smart. So I found a way to cheaply fuse a bad battery. I ordered a fuck ton of nickel fuses for my battery pack assemblies

Now if a cell dies and others try to dump 15 A into it.. It will pop a fuse instead of catch on fire

🥳

You can have some when they arrive if you want to battery weld those on

@leaden crow you too

[real cedar]

Well they can. So here's the thing. Say a cell drops or experiences an internal failure. Maybe it doesn't swell but it shorts.. Well instead of shorting until it cooks. The fuse will burn up.. Isolate it.. Let it rest and fall into the slow fault state

Its cheap protection. If you want to buy some I have a source. If you want some free. I got lots on the way

https://batteryhookup.com/collections/accessories/products/nickel-fuse-2p-wide-continuous-roll-by-the-foot-18650-cell-level-fusing?variant=34549080326306

They are thin so you just take some good wire cutter dikes and cut out the custom size you need.

If someone knows where I can find that for 21700s at ebike level current draws please tell me. I want to fuse all my Ebike cells

I mean at cents on the dollar.. I also figured.. the protections so cheap. it doesnt really have a point of failure.. why not

[obsidian storm]

This looks great

[real cedar]

yeah they are set for 3C of the the bolt standard LG MJ1 cell

[real cedar]

hey why is this happening in chrom

I literally havent been able to get to the API in 3 days and ive got no plugins except BW

(bitwarden)

Checked pihole everythings green

Also have you had good luck on alpha firmware

or are you sticking to 2.6.4 stable

Oh my god

the site uses microsoft analytics

Im done. Im pulling the source and putting up my own web flasher

Imagine implementing tracking into a page and having it make you not be able to connect to the API 😂

[real cedar]

Anyways that fires out.. But yeah firmware @obsidian storm .. So for routers do we want to stick with 2.6.4 or do we want to risk it with alpha

[prisma saddle]

don’t he put 2.6.9/10 on potm?

[real cedar]

Let me look

[prisma saddle]

yup

[real cedar]

I just check in the app

Yeah

Well.. Ugh I'm conflicted

My instinct is to think alpha is extremely unstable

But I guess not

[obsidian storm]

I figure we throw up latest and see what happens.

POTM isn't NPR so....

[real cedar]

I'm actually not worried about NPR since it will be a femtofox and native Linux device

I'll be focusing on making the systemD process extremely fault tolerant and it will get the latest version

But for Rak based routers and heltec yeah I'm curious

[prisma saddle]

i could throw newest alpha on one and see if it melts.

[real cedar]

It won't melt its just unforeseen behavior like resets and crap

That I really don't want to deal with

Particularly for when I stick a xiao in Peter sinks

[obsidian storm]

well, the UDP bug is the thing I'm most worried about

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/issues/6777

[real cedar]

That's only on WiFi and public network nodes right? Mesh routers are unaffected?

[obsidian storm]

I hope so

anyways, I expect to hike to the RAK & XIAO nodes before winter and update them.

[real cedar]

I will be leaving them at whatever firmware version they are stable on TBCH. I will do emergency trips in winter if need be for any of us

But I'll need time to plan some of the back country node rescues if they are needed. I need to map the avalanche risk before heading out. It's something I do regardless if I'm leisuring on my skis or if I'm walking with my snowshoes to fix something haha. I'm not to worried about nodes close to ski resorts. That terrain is managed

But the rest of the cottonwoods. The uintahs.. Farm Creek.. Thurston and Francis.. All that is not

(Ben Lomond lol)

If y'all can vouch for alpha

I'll put alpha on them

If that's 3d printed. Think you can get its angle of orientation to be 41 degrees?

41 will do fine to knock the snow off

It will melt naturally due to the panel

The panels literally black right?

A soshine

I chose 41 because it seems to be the best compromise between summer and winter

For our particular latitude.

BTW anything lower than 55 degrees should slough the snow right off particularly if it's mountain top powder. You can actually figure this out by running an A frame roof load calc

AUR is actually sitting at 70 degrees RN and JB welded

I want to see how bad winter is for it with the summer or unoptimized angle and snow and its accessible in winter so I figured I'll test that for us

[real cedar]

Hmmm. Can you show us pictures of your node design? We might be able to make it more beefy cake to live permanently even when perturbed

Or you can opt to switch to the federal bat house design 🤣

But it might need to find a new place to live like actually at thurston

I can hit up eve (my buddy who works ski patrol there)

Ask her if we can get a node on the infra going up near there

[real cedar]

Holy Lithium baby I fucking love it

Yeah I'd leave it how it is but seal it with lexel

Put a electrical hazard sticker on it

Whatever you do to tell people to stay awat

Are we the over engineer the node nerds? Haha

@prisma saddle when you get the pole from @ember torrent

You want this color for deseret

Should be enough for 3 solid coats.. Let them cure well

[prisma saddle]

got it!

[real cedar]

Yeah it really blends into to desert rocks haha

[prisma saddle]

sweet that’s what we need :).

[prisma saddle]

nope not seen that before.

oh haha so we need a go away desert.

[obsidian storm]

I've been doing a camo color

That's close to that go away green

[prisma saddle]

did you get it attached good solar working?

@obsidian storm

[obsidian storm]

I'm waiting for my conformal coating to arrive.

Where it wasn't perfectly water tight, I thought spraying the PCB would be a good idea

[real cedar]

I got mine. Should I paintbrush NPRs femtofox with it

Even though it will live in not a bird house

Haha

[obsidian storm]

Na. It's probably fine

[real cedar]

Cool. I was considering dessicant too

[obsidian storm]

That's a good idea

[real cedar]

Yeah I just need to figure out if we need to replace it once a year? Since it's going to have a baffled vent at the bottom and drain for the weather sensor

The baffle is to prevent blowing snow from ever getting inside

I have some laying around and I also have several one can 3d print

[obsidian storm]

If there is direct contact with the outside air and it's not sealed, don't bother with the dessicant

[real cedar]

@prisma saddle there's a problem with braves pipe

It'd only 5 fy

Ft

And I auger 2 ft down

It would only be 3 ft off the ground. We might have to go get some UV resistant PVC and paint it instead

The rigid schedule 80 stuff.. 2 half lengths that fit inside one or the other to add rigidity.

Unless 3 ft is enough to avoid the burms on deseret (X DOUBT)

I'm really trying to avoid metal on deseret

[real cedar]

Cool then I won't bother at all

[obsidian storm]

Some of my 3d printer FDM enclosures have dessicant and one, ever so slightly, had a crack and the dessicant was wasted in 2 weeks.

[real cedar]

Lmao yeah there's a lot of latent moisture in our air thanks to the GSL

I think 3d printed dessicant is cool for sealed enclosures though

Got links

I'm over engineering NPR. 🤣 I'm putting 8 21700s in it LOL a full US made 10W solar panel. A proper Texas instruments MQTT. Nickel fuses. Fully INA3221 monitored..

Should I try to add WiFi? And a log Periodic antenna beamed down somewhere private to admin wirelessly 🤣

[obsidian storm]

https://makerworld.com/en/models/779915-desiccant-box-customizable-circle-pattern
I like this one. Just click "customize" and make it the size you want.

[real cedar]

Thanks haha. I will probably print a few

8 21700s barely fits according to calcs. But we will see haha

[obsidian storm]

if you can figure out how to update it from miles away, do it.

[real cedar]

Its a Linux node. Its not low power...

[obsidian storm]

avoiding that climb to update firmware remotely is a big boon.

[real cedar]

WiFi would probably destroy battery

[real cedar]

Lmao well yeah I guess.. I've always wanted to snowshoe nelson in winter and get a photosphere

I know how

You beam WiFi with a log periodic as its more discrete than a Yagi some where umpopulatef

You keep a note of where the signal should be ideal

Then with your laptop and a WiFi card that has an sma on the end

You attach a log periodic and point it at NPR

Establish a connection.. By hosting a DHCP server

It connects

[obsidian storm]

I wonder if you can turn off wifi and wake it up with a GPIO command.

[real cedar]

Sees you as dns

You ssh in

[real cedar]

I have no idea haha

But the idea holds water yes?

[prisma saddle]

ight. so need some pvc then.

[obsidian storm]

It's already a feature

[prisma saddle]

i can do that. you have a spec dimensions would be best?

[obsidian storm]

https://github.com/femtofox/femtofox?tab=readme-ov-file#specification

[real cedar]

You want the thickboy 2 inch is solid stuff. Thickest you can get. Schedule 80 UV resistant if you can find it. Then see if there's an outer diameter that matches the inner diameter and offers us the ability to sleeve a second inside of it for rigidity.. And a pole cap. That's paramout. We will plastic weld that to the top of the pole

[real cedar]

Excellent

Let me see if I can find a very compact directional WiFi antenna

I have to be very careful

There are airport radars

Weather radars

The mine

All near by

Like a Christmas tree

[obsidian storm]

very compact, very directional, and only on when doing firmware updates.

[real cedar]

Yeah.. Well I'm thinking. I should point it to butterfield

I can bike up

Easy peasy

Love that ride

Then admin from there

[obsidian storm]

maybe?

whatever is easy/best

[real cedar]

But let me think about it. That adds a ton in a confined space

[ember torrent]

Yeah, figured 5 feet versus 11,000 feet was no biggie to yous guys.

[ember torrent]

I’d be amazed if they nested into each other, let alone enough to transfer loads to increase stiffness. You might need an 8’ pvc fence post.

The design requirements of strong, nonmetallic, and hollow are contradictory. Can you go metal and deal with lightning, or wood and drill the center out for whatever goes inside?

[real cedar]

Its not the height of the antenna that's the issue. Its the snow pack. Deseret is very tall and it forms large amounts of snow on it because the top is flat and full of rocks and holds the snow..

It is still snowbound until mid June haha

To quote Google. "Deseret Peak typically sees a snowpack of around 81.5 to 97.5 inches in the heaviest snow locations particularly near the peak on the eastern side where snow collects due to local weather patterns"

I literally can't get away with anything shorter than 8 ft haha

Looking at Copernicus data. I'd say it solidly confirms that statement

Peak router nodes suck. You have two choices. Trees if your lucky.. Or dragging your own infra up. Hahahahh

https://girlonahike.com/backpacking-to-south-willow-lake.html#Directions

I like girl on a hike. She's plotted a lot of these. So there are ATV trails that go about 3/4 the way up. The rest is hike.. I figure.. Maybe this is a task for mini bikes or a side by side or mountain bikes but I'm unsure tbch. Hikings fine by me its just difficult to explain the pole 🤣

Our only other option @prisma saddle @ember torrent is to find tree as close to the peak as one can on the northern or southern lower ridges and do that more with a bat house instead. So we have options but yeah it's a hoot

Most of the time when I need to drag a pole up. I start hours before others head up. I get a flashlight and some extra batteries and I literally hit the trail head at 4 am.. That way by the time others are headed up I have a massive head start. I plant the pole in time and out the node up before others get there. 😂 but Im trying to avoid that this time

Its epic tier wilderness so tbch.. If any of you are super outdoorsy. Please join. You won't regret the views

We will hike the narrows likely.. There is shrubery and small trees on the southern ridgelines. We can try for the bathouse going there instead of directly at the peak if we fail?

But it's rather unideal to be off peak

[real cedar]

The alternative @prisma saddle is the lost creek trek off trail through pure desert sage and mountain side prairie up from the toele side

Pros: no people, faster, more direct, and fairly clear of vegetation. Fun AF (IMHO)

Cons: no trail. Make your own route. Steep. Unknown hazards

Im bias to an adventure but its your node haha

[prisma saddle]

im up for any of that too. 🙂

[real cedar]

Hell yeah. Here is the view from the peak with neighboring peaks marked

So I'm gonna wood work up a sight. I think if we want to be smart.. We do the bird house on the noncodunctibe pole.. We make a beautiful sign that says Deseret Peak
Elevation 11,035 ft

Then we add some feed at the bottom with a small engraving that says please add local bird feed only 😂 or something and leave an ammo box at the bottom as a peak box?

You think that will work best?

@white field your the wilderness node expert. What's believable what's not? Haha

[ember torrent]

I dont think you’re gonna auger into Deseret. Looks like jack hammer rock to set a pole into the ground.

[real cedar]

Epic. I'll get anchors then and a PVC pole mount plate and a carbide drill bit

Then we can achor the bottom to a rock.. With long rock anchors and I'll JB weld the pipe to the pipe mount there and hope for the best. I honestly might opt for an early early leave. Long before any people wake up. It will need a 1 hour head start to cure so it can't be ripped out

Or can pre mount it to the pipe. Drive anchors in at the top

Its a lot less to carry if I don't have to bring an auger but instead a hammer

What we essentially need is 4 expanding rock anchors 12-30 inches in length that fit through a post hole mount you use on concrete

Too add rigidity I'll bring extra concrete and pour it down the PVC pipe 🤣 so the entire anchor and the rock below gets stuffed with it internally only

The pipe has to house the antenna so I cant fill it completely.

[ember torrent]

This will be a sight to see.

[real cedar]

I need to run to ace hardware when im at the space.. @prisma saddle don't buy any poles just yet. I gotta see what square flange post mounts exist and their diameter. Stay tuned. I'll figure this out.. We might be in for an early hike though. Also someone please bring a firearm and some spray. In case we have an unfortunate animal encounter where we can't back away and give the animal space

[ember torrent]

More or less this, attached to your 2” minimum pvc and sunk into the rock. Some guy-wires and you’ll be set.

[real cedar]

In fact @ember torrent I'm gonna get practice first before deseret.. I'm gonna do this at prom point and mount Olympus first with my buddy.. And get the process down

Once I have it proven we will go to desert in the early pre dawn hours.. And get up an hour or two before any hikers

[ember torrent]

Tell @prisma saddle , I’m just budging in trying not to complicate.

[prisma saddle]

check and check.. 🙂

[prisma saddle]

better we get it right then go up and it not work 🙂

[ember torrent]

Silly idea, stack a bunch of semi available rocks to hold up a pole?

[real cedar]

So here's to figuring out how to get a 4x4 post up there. Treated wood

@obsidian storm we will need the laser engraver haha

[obsidian storm]

. Laser engrave the forest service shield.
Maybe make one that's similar to the firest service shield

Here

Switch the words to be something other than "MESHTASTIC" (or remove the words completely)

then you can't be "impersonating" a government entity but still have the desired effect.

we can build you a lasered wood plaque no problem.

[prisma saddle]

lol.

[real cedar]

LOL yeah could do that too

Impersonating sounds funny af though for a small sign easy to remove

but what wording to use

[real cedar]

You know what thats genius

We mark that with DESERET PEAK

instead

and then underneath an elevation. Mount the Geocache box

Mount the bat house

[obsidian storm]

... a bat house too?

wow. that's a ton of stuff

[real cedar]

Honestly it will take a bit to haul it up yeah.. The bathouse would need to be fully assembled prehike and ready to anchor. The post would need to have its mount already secured to it so you just drive the mount in. I have milwaukee impacts I can put in the bag and I have room for water and concrete but if theres a second personw ith me it would be easier

Theres absolutely zero "lazy" way to tag a 11k ft peak

Its kinda why I wont do Twin Peaks because thats far too well trafficked summer and winter and it gets bombarded with air blasts haha..

[umbral ice]

Could always swap meshtastic with the Intermountain Mesh name. Or ever name is settled on 😛

[ember torrent]

Seems awfully high for bats.

If it’s a pain to take down, will probably be left alone.

[real cedar]

Thats kinda the goal right

I just am trying to figure out how to do it best

[umbral ice]

Ive got the official confirmation to get the node up on Harrison. First round attempt is going to be enclosed rak node on full solar. If we are iffy on it, might be able to get access to AC power for it, and if we do that, I see no reason not to try something that is a bit out of scope for batteries. Like a G2 or something and add in some Raspi shenanigans.

The 208 hacker space is officially a nonprofit, so might be able to squeeze out tower space rent as a donation if need be LOL

[real cedar]

I could do it different

instead I could embed it in the post instead of the bat house

thoughts?

id have to jig out the hole and then plant it and reglue it and paint the post

bit it would then be a permanent node that is impossible to service haha

Ugh back to the drawing board I guess :/

[ember torrent]

Nah, just dont glue the antenna into the hollowed out pole. Can you draw a sketch?

[real cedar]

Ill try to at the space

[obsidian storm]

we have a non-profit too.

if we need it.

[real cedar]

Fudge. I have a way to slam 8 18650s into the enclosure but 🤣 I've gotta do some modification for NPRs tiny enclosure. First off the filter become the type N through the top and gets fastened permanently to the box to make the room needed. It will be made of my expensive protected cells (I hate my life.. Not really but that's 6 dollars a cell 😭).. But I should be able to squeeze it all in.. Barely.. The new acasoms come with longer screws out the top) and thus they poke up higher

Its fine but I need to improvise slightly in the enclosure you linked to me haha

That or I can make a custom cutout underneath the plastic peg board to recess it into the enclosure further and voila

With a femtofox 1 battery 1 day of battery life is the rule of thumb

With a 10W solar panel the device must survive the longest duration of 0 insolation at NPR which is 7 days

According to climate data

I got all this data from the femtofox channel in here

So this is gonna be a fun Tetris project 🤣

#1329096340700921898 message

Fuck it. I'm making the modification before I come to the space. 😂 gosh darn it I should have left for SLC by now

[obsidian storm]

@real cedar explain something to me. Do you need to balance cells if they're all in parallel?

[real cedar]

Yes if you don't want a large pack to fail

AI is dead wrong when you ask it BTW 🤣

It suggests you don't need to cuz they are parallel but if a cell fails you need a way to isolate it from the others in parallel ready to shunt their entire capacity to it

I opt for fuses and allow parallel to balance while the batteries are in good condition

This is painful

You guys and your tiny enclosures

Why do you do this to yourselves

[prisma saddle]

going to be up here tomorrow with some ham buddies. gonna mess with mesh while i’m up there. https://maps.app.goo.gl/YPmvKyfYYXxdb4aMA?g_st=com.google.maps.preview.copy

[real cedar]

For NPR

Discontiguous pack it is

A pack of two

A pack of two

A pack of 4 in parallel

[obsidian storm]

Well... Most of us don't use so many batteries

Bring it to the space let's see if we can come up with a better configuration

I'll bring my spot welder

[prisma saddle]

what box is that?

[obsidian storm]

Man, these antennas suck.

Or maybe it's this specific one or something else. But I couldn't get any message back from my Xiao until I was in my driveway of my house

[ember torrent]

🫣
They look like my muzi works, which seem to do well.
Return em?

[prisma saddle]

are they this one? 915MHz LoRa Antenna Omni 5dbi Gain SMA Male for ESP32 OLED Board + 15cm IPEX Extension Cable 2 Pcs https://www.amazon.com/dp/B095JTW6XM/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apip_FQHPWcGlD3vdV

i have 2 of these. seemed ok. but. .. not really used outside my house.

[obsidian storm]

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mK3Q3SB

[prisma saddle]

ah ok.

[real cedar]

@obsidian storm you on the way to the space?

[obsidian storm]

The earliest I will be there is 7:30. But more like 8

[prisma saddle]

interesting.

[real cedar]

I've decided we're going to stop overthinking the deseret node 🤣. We're just going to put a pull up there. We're going to mount it with rock anchors and call it good. I don't care if it gets in some trouble. It's going to be damn hard for any hippie to remove that anchor. And if the forest service has to remove it, that's fine.

They have the tools to do it, and it won't be miserable for them. They can remove anchors just fine. 😂. We will still put a forest service like sign on it with a pretty peak art in the elevation but no bat house. We're just going to add PVC to the top of a metal pipe and we'll put the antenna there and we'll paint the whole thing and we'll attach everything and call it good.

Mounting the Geocache on a fastened plate would be really good as it would blend the stuff in a bit and give it an innocent reason to exist

[real cedar]

@obsidian storm hey bud. And @umbral ice this falls into the category of over engineering nodes but something I've done to smooth power load and MPPT delivery efficiency is I added this in parallel to the battery caps. Whenever the Lora node goes wild for a second or MPPT DUMPS but then clouds cover briefly. That cap holds up the fort until its drained and its been pretty awesome for smoothing the power delivery..

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/232-50ZLH1000MEFC16X

Its a rubycon low ESR. They are dirt cheap and you can just solder JST leads to it and tap it to the battery lines and voila

If anything as the cells in winter struggle to charge and discharge when it's extra cold.. This thing might help a ton haha

[umbral ice]

15 weeks lead time?! Dang. I'll have to make a couple trips up to harrison to run some upgrades haha. Of course, I'm not opposed to making a trip down to buy some extra components off you guys if you have spares 😛

[obsidian storm]

interesting. I'll have to tes that out some time.

My LTE card came today.

Here's to hoping it works!

[obsidian storm]

LTE WORKS

Also, I found out we don't need LTE at lake mountain. @dim bay has better options.

So I'm going to build an rpi based node

and throw that there.

and use the nebra with LTE elsewhere.

and it can be a full linux box

with a "meshtoad"

at lake mountian.

Wwan0 is the LTE card.

[prisma saddle]

Thats really cool!

[prisma saddle]

whats the eta on deployment?

[obsidian storm]

Well, I need parts to arrive from China.

Soon?

I really want to have it done before the 23rd

[prisma saddle]

hmm dang china.. its not the filters right? i guess thats not from china. just slow @$$ gpio

[obsidian storm]

It's the actual Lora radios

[prisma saddle]

ah ok.

cool

[obsidian storm]

They cleared customs yesterday

So it should be soon

[prisma saddle]

so another week

+/- 3-4 days lol

[obsidian storm]

The last one, it showed up 3 days after it cleared customs

A different one it took a whole week

So who knows

[prisma saddle]

holy crap these rak temp/humid sensors are small

[real cedar]

LMAO. I got mine instantly

They had 2300 in stock

At one point

[real cedar]

Honestly it night be a big help when cell voltages fall

[umbral ice]

Everything is backed up these days lol.

[real cedar]

I've got 100 ish out of the package and in scrap bins somewhere I'll bring some next Thursday maybe

[real cedar]

Oh it's says 2200 in stock can ship immediately

Your gooch

I bet if you ordered today you'd probably get it by the 18th with their UPS 9 dollar 2 day

I love mouser

IMHO mouser and arrow are getting better than DK

[umbral ice]

would help if I'd read LMAO

[real cedar]

😉

[umbral ice]

ordered lol. also have 12 brand spanking new 4500mah 21700 molicel batteries on the way and some holders since I've yet to learn to or have the equipment to spot weld them together.

[real cedar]

Ahh man dude. I guess on a tower you got perms for I'd definitely use my new cells but anywhere else.. Hit me or panda up. Cover shipping and you can have them. Or I can show you where to buy "GOOD" B+ grade or higher 2nd life lithium. Cuz that sounds expensive

[umbral ice]

wasn't too bad tbh. i'll do that next time tho

Cause I just plotted out more repeater locations

[real cedar]

But yeah if you've got that many batteries. 1 or 2 caps is probably beneficial to keep power smooth when the MPPT I'd variable haha

Yeah molicells aren't bad. Like what 7 dollars a cell

[umbral ice]

3? or 4? they were on sale

[prisma saddle]

up at potm. is up here or actually up on the mountain?

[real cedar]

Ohh damn.. That's a good price

Where at

[real cedar]

Nah it's up the mtn

Up the path to steed

[prisma saddle]

thought so. be too easy.

lol.

[umbral ice]

https://www.18650batterystore.com/products/molicel-p45b. 5, but I bought 12 so only 4.75

[real cedar]

Yeah.. So NPR and promontory are ahead of deseret for placement. Promontory is gonna be where I trial drilling the post in and some art and stuff

[real cedar]

Oh not bad.. Not bad at all.

[prisma saddle]

sounds good. then give me time go do good on the pipe.

[real cedar]

Yeah truth be told don't buy it yet

Rufio and I will go ham at prom.. Learn lessons

Tell us what to get

🤣

[prisma saddle]

sounds good. temp sensors came 3 days early.

[real cedar]

Noice

[prisma saddle]

they are tiny.

[real cedar]

Yeah they are. They also aren't waterproof

[prisma saddle]

lol.

[real cedar]

So you need to construct a mesh baffle inside an NPT

One dense enough to always stop mositure but open enough to allow airflow

[real cedar]

For those interested in getting the cottonwoods and park city and surrounding areas covered. I've got a couple snow cat buddies at Brighton that will let me navigate them too it with the cats during swing shift breaks.. I'll be able to service those at midnight to 2 am if catastrophe occurs

[prisma saddle]

ya from where im sitting was hard to hit potm. finally got it.

[obsidian storm]

Did they give you permission to place one up there on their towers?

[prisma saddle]

so the hill def blocks it.

explains why bro above thanksgiving point can’t see it.

[obsidian storm]

Lake Mtn will fix it nicely

[prisma saddle]

i’m here doing some ham contacts with a buddy.

[prisma saddle]

yup excited for that.

[obsidian storm]

Has direct line of sight to POTM and NPR

You should have direct LOS to my node from there

[prisma saddle]

i’ll try.

let’s see.

[prisma saddle]

yup nice.

[obsidian storm]

I need to get mine above my roofline

That'll help a lot

What's everyone's preferred way to obtain a pole? I'm looking for about 14-16 ft pole?

[prisma saddle]

just throw my rak with alfa and gpio up. let’s see if anything better.

cool.

[prisma saddle]

can’t beat a hill node.

who popped the solar 3 etc nodes?

direct LoS here.

[ember torrent]

Great question, maybe even bait.

My conclusion, your roof is the best. It is free structure. My house came with a free dish pole mount too. Probably find a roof-ridge dish mount on ksl.com for free if you’re persistent.

[prisma saddle]

that’s what i use mine is screwed to the dish. lol.

[ember torrent]

Circling back to documentation…

The latest and greatest on solar nodes would be pretty valuable. Collect all this knowledge somewhere.

[obsidian storm]

I want to mount a large tall pole on top of my chimney.

Not bait

It's just I've got to get above this stupid big tree so I can get some better line of sight

I did some research and everyone said that about 10 ft above the chimney is about as tall as you can get for a pole

I bought one of those metal strap kits that allows you to strap a pole to the chimney without having to drill into it. Looks like it'll probably do really well. I just need to find a pole now

Something like this

The problem with buying a dish mount is that I've got to get it above the roof line (and hopefully above this annoying tree)

This is my current setup. But it's not hitting all the repeaters I want it to

And if I manually move it to the other side of my house, and get it up high enough, I can hit those repeaters easy

[prisma saddle]

ya that’s like mine i. need to get it up. not no chimney like you :(.

[obsidian storm]

So putting it on a pole on my roof is a good idea

[prisma saddle]

conduit. ? ridged or so not sure the size you want but that stuff is stiff as a rock.

[obsidian storm]

Honestly. Some thick metal would be nice

[prisma saddle]

i use it on my diy lighting stuff for holiday lights. 2x 10’ ridged conduits 1.5” dia. it’s epic.

[obsidian storm]

Okay okay

That might be nice

I'm thinking something around 1.5 to 2 in diameter

[prisma saddle]

75$ for 10’ though is the kicker. but it does the job well.

dang it’s gone up.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/1-1-2-in-x-10-ft-Rigid-Metal-Conduit-0544210000/202068053

even 1” could do it i bet.

i have lots of weight on mine which is why i use the larger dia.

[real cedar]

Not yet

Management smoozing is slower than friends

I mean after all most resorts got corporate bought out so even then it's only ever gonna be local permission haha

[ember torrent]

Look at chain link fence post and horizontal runners. Drill pipe and surplus metal on ksl and at triple s steel, respectively, too. Cut to length wood poles.
https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/76237974

My dish mount is on my ridge. You could also mount a pole to your dish mount, i believe.

Also, yall agree that “roof line” is the gutter for most pitched roofs?

For instance, my code says maximum of 18’ above roofline, that equates to an 8’ pole on my ridge. Reduces your pole length.

Is there a market for tapered Meshtastic fiberglass poles?

[real cedar]

@hallow dagger Send me the public key of your most used daily driver node that has a good odds of seeing NPR for the purposes of managing the node. I'm going to be adding three keys so that other people can manage it. Right now, one is occupied by myself, one should be occupied by you, and then I need a third volunteer.

[hallow dagger]

Dm'ed

[ember torrent]

@obsidian storm A telescoping flagpole would give you a flag to fly, if that is your sort of thing.

[obsidian storm]

https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/78935952

$1/foot

Not bad

[real cedar]

Thanks

[real cedar]

I mean not bad at all

[prisma saddle]

much better to than 85 for 10 lol.

[ember torrent]

Yahtzee!

[prisma saddle]

interesting 2.6.10 is latest stable beta now

most of changed the past few days/week

[real cedar]

BINGOOO

🤣

[fiery sparrow]

sorry all.. My saturday is not going the way I had planned it (as far as handing out batteries).. I'm dealing with a plumbing issue and it's not been going well so far.

[obsidian storm]

No stress.

[real cedar]

No worries bud

[obsidian storm]

I can play battery fairy! I'll get with @fiery sparrow and do deliveries

[prisma saddle]

no worries dude. don’t worry about it.

[prisma saddle]

more important fish to fry. 🙂

[obsidian storm]

I'm out doing battery deliveries! Thanks @fiery sparrow !!

[prisma saddle]

holy batteries batman

[prisma saddle]

thank you @obsidian storm and @fiery sparrow can’t get better than door to door battery delivery.

[prisma saddle]

what is your go to 21700/18650 batt charger? @obsidian storm @real cedar

[obsidian storm]

Heh. I don't have a great option

I just use this. The batteries charge up to about the same voltage and it worked alright

[prisma saddle]

a fan out the window? lol

[obsidian storm]

Na, it has a USB plug

[prisma saddle]

on lol.

oh

was looking at something like this. https://a.co/d/9V8inWQ. have a cheap one for 18650. but need more for the 21700s

multi size could be awesome.

[obsidian storm]

I've seen a lot of people in this discord testing with these

https://a.co/d/2cBznFa

@real cedar might have better advice though

[real cedar]

I personally for just charging.. Am bias towards Opus

Or nitecore for economic reasons

For testing you need more but you don't need that tbch

[prisma saddle]

thanks!

[real cedar]

So when it comes to just charging what I care about is safety and isolation circuity and a low C charge.

https://a.co/d/9pnP5t7

If you don't care about capacity
https://a.co/d/jllcUpJ

Opus seems to be secondary stores now

https://a.co/d/ajKxvQC

[prisma saddle]

coolio good stuff there

[real cedar]

Yeah that xtar is bad ass

For the price tbch

Its very accurate

[prisma saddle]

looks solid

[real cedar]

I was pleasently surprised when I got one

[prisma saddle]

sweet. happy. father’s day to me.

[real cedar]

God damn I missed that fucking shit didn't I?

[prisma saddle]

lol.

tomorrow.

[real cedar]

That is what I get for spending time with a woman 😤. Completely lost my priorities for the day. FML let me see if I can get something single day clutch on amazon

[prisma saddle]

hey if it’s the right woman. it’s all good.

[real cedar]

🤣 phaha a bit early to say that at all but we will see

[prisma saddle]

ah new one. cooli. good luck with that

[real cedar]

🤣 that doesn't need luck. My amszon clutchness does

Shits all arrives after fathers day

Trying to find that overnighter

Found it

Hell yeah

My dad likes work convo starters so... Bullet tumbler

Saved by the ORDER IN 2 MINS FOR 4-8 AM DELIVERY

😆

[prisma saddle]

lol that’s awesome!

i’m doing these. https://www.gruntstyle.com/collections/fathers-day?gad_campaignid=22292964941&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADovKKZYe69qM0lgY1rQImwm-AV55&gclid=Cj0KCQjwu7TCBhCYARIsAM_S3NgZspEaj_KI2OK7fk3KezS6G7daE2UrtYnf3-NMNSrAd_es4zAh8XsaAnf8EALw_wcB&tw_adid=&tw_campaign=22295521831&tw_kwdid=&tw_source=google

[real cedar]

Lmao I love the dad tax

[real cedar]

I think I finally have enough of the same batteries for an ebike pack

[obsidian storm]

That's a lot of batteries

[real cedar]

They will be put into a 14S11P hexagonal split pack.. I will be aiming for a 2000W motor but still get ~90-100 miles range

I want to be able to absolutely launch off a jump and land quick and smooth haha

[fiery sparrow]

I use this charger https://www.amazon.com/EBL-Discharge-Functions-3-2VLiFePO4-Rechargeable/dp/B0BS6GF5ZJ

It's plugged in to a bench power supply that has a PD port along with the alligator clips, which I use to bring up voltages on stuff registering too low to go in to the normal charger.

[real cedar]

HAHA yeah I got a bench top too for the higher voltage packs haha

That's great

[prisma saddle]

pros and cons?

Happy Father’s day guys!

[real cedar]

Not much its basically a less advanced opus

[prisma saddle]

how did this turn out?

[pseudo kestrel]

for my RxAx node with just one 18650 cell, should I bother with a BMS chip like with the 4 cell RxBs?

[umbral ice]

A trail cam was mentioned as why folks might leave a node alone, so I took it literally… tad messy, but it works lmao

There’s no protection given space constraints, but theoretically could rip out all the camera bits for more room

[obsidian storm]

just watch out. trail cams are only allowed for specific times of the year.

so make sure you label it in case someone comes closer to one.

at least in utah.

Utah's rules are weird

[umbral ice]

Here in ID can’t use transmitting trail cams between July and January. But that’s the only restriction. Granted it having antenna makes it look likes a transmitting cam. Good call though.

[fiery sparrow]

it's not big enough, and it can only do a test on one channel.

but it's cheap and you can adjust charging rate, and it knows how to handle LIPOs

[real cedar]

You really want to know? I got the.. "You last minuted this didn't you? It better have been because of a woman" 🤣😭 I fucking died of laughter. I was like.. I will not confirm or deny this accusation LMFAO

But yeah he really liked it. Said its cool. Will be a solid convo starter at work.. Said it was pretty well built but the cap was plastic and I was like.. FALSE ADVERTISING

Fake news! 🤣

[real cedar]

That is dope AF. You gonna test that with atak on short fast?

[prisma saddle]

way cool dude. good idea.

@real cedar talk to my dad tonight. He’s the one that’s in Grantsville. He said that the ham club out there has a sub club that’s mesh tastic and they’re all getting discouraged in about to give up. if I told him that there will be some good things out there for them in the next few weeks to a month that should help also told I would help him get some some stuff set up at his house and his barn and to help all the rest of them a roof no and so on sounds like they just need a better infrastructure set up so that they can all actually use it and not just random people in their house and nothing on the roof. he said they’d love to have somebody from the group come out there and explain it all to him and how it works. I said that he better users guide was being set up that can help with all that. So we’ll see? Unless one of you wanna go out there and or a bunch of us go out there and have a training for him I don’t know lol

[real cedar]

Okay let's help him out

@white field what's the news on stansbury and our coverage out there while we work towards other nodes?

[prisma saddle]

I told him about Deseret Peak, and how that’s gonna be a game changer for them so to stay tuned for that but yeah I I think they could definitely probably all the cities or whatever they are wanting to do it to have a group session of how to use it would be awesome.

At least the guide you’re making would be a definitely get started and then more advanced stuff to go from there. I don’t know.

[real cedar]

Yeah it's marked up. It's just I'm indecisive on the software to use haha

[prisma saddle]

I told him roof nodes are game changers and would definitely help them because it sounds like they’re all just on the ground trying to talk and yeah.

[real cedar]

Yeah it would. I would absolutely encourage them doing a client roof node and a client mute indoors. I know that's two devices but it's a good help

[prisma saddle]

So I’ll probably make one for him and next week when I’m back from my youth camp, I’ll help him get up onto his barn and help him get stuff configured and he can go from there

[real cedar]

Yeah throw him up a cheap xiao node

Seriously

10 bucks

Wire it in

Forget the battery.. 3d print an enclosure. Give a good antenna

Unless he really wants battery backup

[prisma saddle]

i’d prob do it. he is a prepper. so.. ya lol.

[real cedar]

Well. In that case. 8x 18650s

🤣

[prisma saddle]

lol

[real cedar]

https://www.acopower.com/products/hy-12m-20w?_pos=2&_fid=4979c2bca&_ss=c

These are great

[prisma saddle]

i’ll grab your 100 for your e-bike. lol

i wonder how long that would last. 50k ah. like forever

[real cedar]

Hahaha lol I mean if you need some batteries. I got batteries.

That said 8x3400 mah so 27200.. Raks would happily last a month or two on that without solar

Hahaha

[prisma saddle]

nice nah i got some. between the 2 panda / bash deliveries. i’m good.

[real cedar]

LOL leave it to meshtastic to put second life lithium to use in utah

[leaden crow]

I am back from camping. I built one and it works.

[real cedar]

That's epic

I love that it's filtered

[leaden crow]

@obsidian storm I found one problem. That SMA > N cable the Nebra includes for the wifi. It's an RP-SMA. We will need RP-SMA > SMA adapters.

[real cedar]

Well the good news is. You missed my longfast message after the person got dead in downtown. Was sending out a stay clear since I was watching it go down was pretty wild..

[leaden crow]

I had no cell phone service camping (in Grand Tetons). I have no clue what you're talking about. Have been completely offline for a week.

Side note; friends I was camping with all had seeed trackers and they worked amazingly. Multiple times this week we got separated and could message each other.

[real cedar]

That is awesome news that it all worked well.
I was referring to the dude who got shots to center mass at the protest. I wasn't intending to be around it but I was taking a bike break on a garage and saw it passing and shit went down.. To say the least. I had just sent out a message saying hey if any of us were around the space or downtown area to probably find somewhere safe to chill for a second. That was a long day.

Damn those seed trackers had no router in the Tetons?

And still worked amazingly

Its on the news if you care for deets

[leaden crow]

We were never more than a mile apart. I do have a RAK in my RV, but it was pretty far from the actual park. Camped here:
https://www.fs.usda.gov/r04/bridger-teton/recreation/atherton-creek-campground

[prisma saddle]

NICE!

[prisma saddle]

sounds cool.

what was the link to the xaio @real cedar

[leaden crow]

https://www.seeedstudio.com/XIAO-nRF52840-Wio-SX1262-Kit-for-Meshtastic-p-6400.html

[prisma saddle]

thanks.

i wanna get and test the seeed p1

[obsidian storm]

I would like to host this

Mind if I spin something up tonight?

I need to get things written down

[prisma saddle]

ya i’d love to read it all myself and pass on the “good word “. 🙂

[obsidian storm]

Also, I took my kids to the hogle zoo and gave each of them seed t1000e trackers

They worked so well

The buzzing sound was AWESOME to signal to them to come back after they had ran too far way and needed to be recalled

[prisma saddle]

way cool dude. i’d like to get some more. wish there was a distro that sold them for hit amazon prices. not in china.

not prices now. meh.

my bro was trying to be a wholesaler for them. but they req like 10000 first order.

[obsidian storm]

I mean. I paid $30 flat for them from California

https://www.seeedstudio.com/SenseCAP-Card-Tracker-T1000-E-for-Meshtastic-p-5913.html

[prisma saddle]

ohh nice! ya 40-50 on amazon is blah.

cool. i’ll look into that tomorrow.

[leaden crow]

@obsidian storm these ones look fine. quick search on amazon I didn't find anything less expensive.
https://www.amazon.com/RP-SMA-Adapter-5-Pack-Connector-Antennas/dp/B07XFMQT3T?th=1

[obsidian storm]

Use the code: WELCOME5 and SYY4V675

Those two should drop the price a bit

@leaden crow The connectors we bought were RP-SMA

https://lcsc.com/product-detail/coaxial-connectors-rf_hj-tech-hj-sma507_C2874828.html

[leaden crow]

nice! no problem then.

[obsidian storm]

You had me worried for a second 😅

[real cedar]

Yes spin it up but I'll get the markup to you this week sometime. I'm out for the night. If I haven't by Thursday yell at me 🤣

[obsidian storm]

https://wasatchmesh.com

[prisma saddle]

dang on backorder now. ha ha was 2 avail last night.

prob be avail same time as ordering frro china

[leaden crow]

seeed inventory is weird. When I checked just now it showed 1+ in stock US warehouse

[real cedar]

BIG OOOOF

Hey guys I need materials and screenshots of our map showing users down near Marys nipple etc that I present at Hackerspace meshtastic night. Only things your comfortable with people knowing but I'll be teaching it

@obsidian storm I'll help get you the docs up and stuff now that I see your link

It will be a good to have during the mesh night

Thanks for hosting it. I'm honestly burnt out with hosting lately

[prisma saddle]

when is mesh night?

[prisma saddle]

ha ha ya now it shows in stock. soo weird.

oh no wait backorder.. lol i dunno

when it reloads, it shows in stock for like 5 secs then switches ha ha

oh and im talking about XIAO nRF52840 & Wio-SX1262 Kit for Meshtastic
not the t1000e

[real cedar]

The 26th.

But I have a hard stop at 845 PM to get to the 999. Like now I'm definitely not missing it for a bit

[prisma saddle]

Ugg wonder if i can make that.. hmm will have to see

[obsidian storm]

All you have to do is make a pull request to the linked GitHub to make changes

[real cedar]

Okay I can do that but what software was it

I didn't see

[lament gust]

Matt/Malice said I should jump on here. Hello to the 801 crew from Southern Idaho!

[real cedar]

I definitely know someone is using square space. I have DNS analytics in full view constantly 🤣

[real cedar]

Hey bud yeah some of us are hackerspace crew. Others local hams and enthusiasts. Whats up!? We have a plan to get to you via Harrison and prom point

We are on FS51 though so hopefully that's not an issue

[lament gust]

I don't think so. someone here popped an MQTT node recently and it got a lot noisier on LF.

I may know some of you.. i was a part of the DC scene for a bit here. Friends with Mav and BinBudha.

[real cedar]

So MQTT can't really do that anymore. It's 0 hop

[lament gust]

just got my tech license as well.

[real cedar]

From what people told us so far.. The solution to the MQTT problem was to limit to 0 hop got mqtt packets but IDK if that's true

I'll look at the code and see if it's true

Honestly I find myself reading the code to grab logic now.. Erayd showed me how its just easier

[real cedar]

Excellent. Well I have a vested interest in connecting Boise, MO, TF, IF, Yellowstone, and SV. I think we can do it in less than a couple extra hops even from SLC

My parents are in idaho

North of yall

[lament gust]

cool.

We are trying to find the MQTT culprit and shut it down.

[real cedar]

Its pretty easy

Debug log the packet

Find the origin node

Message them

None of that is hidden

There's no forward secrecy 😂

Its not a secure network

Imho

[lament gust]

good to know.

[real cedar]

Yeah if they are forwarding on longfast. Just look at the debug log. Those headers are decodable.. And most of the time there's a lot of useful info in the header

I'll show you an example. One sec

[hallow dagger]

I recently put up a node with MQTT on LF51 but it's connected to my own private server so it shouldn't be adding any noise besides the private messages I'm sending between my own nodes.

[obsidian storm]

Mkdocs. I'm not using square space. It's hosted in my basement

[hallow dagger]

Ah just saw you're not referring to our mesh.

[prisma saddle]

wups. i ordered 2. lol.

oh wow, ya this thing is pretty epic.

[obsidian storm]

It depends. What are you trying to track?

I put mine inside because I'm trying to track what the temperature inside the box is

And I want to know if it's getting too hot/cold for the batteries and the components

[leaden crow]

This is my goal too. Want to know if my batteries are getting cooked above 60C. I also think the humidity sensor could be a good indicator you've got water intrusion.

[obsidian storm]

Then you'll want to outside

The internal temperature of the enclosures is usually 10-30*C off from external

[leaden crow]

I've been watching my friend's roof node. Yesterday it peaked at 39.13 C inside the enclosure. With the enclosure painted white and mostly shaded by the solar panel.

[lament gust]

very curious on this build. I used to work CATV and this looks like a strand mounted amp enclosure.

[leaden crow]

https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1367293403867516979
That is a relatively new channel, read the posts at the top (oldest) where the hardware is described.

@obsidian storm
If you are going to be at the space on Thursday, bring the hat from your Nebra and we can add some more filter caps to it. I'll check my parts bins tonight, but I'm certain I have some we can add. It sounds like they need them.
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[prisma saddle]

for the rak temp / humidity sensor. that can’t be mounted “outside”. it’s more just temp of the box and so on. right? @leaden crow @obsidian storm @

[leaden crow]

It can always be mounted outside. You just mount the whole RAK outside. 😆
Based on @real cedar experience with waterlogged nodes, I think they are basically weatherproof. haha

[prisma saddle]

lol. hmm.

[leaden crow]

I would not be surprised if you can find an extension cable for that header they use. but generally speaking, yeah you're going to have a difficult time getting outside temp with the module mounted on the RAK. You could vent the enclosure, but even then it's only going to be close to outside temp.

[prisma saddle]

maybe i just care about the inside since same as above. batt temp stuff.

this will be for deseret peak.

unless you guys want it more robust. etc.

and unless we end up doing a nebra instead of rak or femtofox.

[leaden crow]

I wouldn't be confident about a PCB and sensor surviving the moisture and temp exposure at that altitude. I'd bet anything designed for that application would be weather hardened.

[real cedar]

Lmfao For some reason, when the plugin in the browser does the DNS pull, it is saying that the authoritative server is Squarespace's server. 😂

I like that software. It's pretty easy. I will get to your stuff soon. It's not gonna be tonight. I'm running off to a race.

[real cedar]

ROFL
Yeah I've had a lot of fun innundations

Long Name Aurora Ceresia has been flooded so any times. One even got some great salt lake water mixed up inside but alcohol and some brushing and cleaning.. Everything was fine

[obsidian storm]

the ebyte chips arrived.

[real cedar]

Excellent

[real cedar]

Remind me how much I owe you for 5?

[prisma saddle]

and me i think i got one nebra. right?

[pseudo kestrel]

mesh.thebadplace.org appears to be down

[prisma saddle]

yup. what ya do? :).

[obsidian storm]

RF In on the gpiolabs

is that the antenna side?

[real cedar]

Yes

Whenever you are ready
She's ready to go.

Me and r00fio hit up the beer hive. Was a fun night on bikes

[real cedar]

I am.. But I got a thing down town on Saturday at 615 PM so I gotta be out of the canyon by then

Other than that pretty free yeah

I gotta do some tweaks. I need to reroute my kill switch hahah

But I'll probably do that tonight

[obsidian storm]

@real cedar so this picture you posted is backwards?

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[real cedar]

Yes sir. We were testing at the time if direction mattered

It did not

I think the RF in is meant to be on the antenna side from the designer but I've tested on a VNA. There is no difference between the two

Turn down your nano vna power and turn off bias T if your going to test it

Or you'll cook it like Jacob did a couple times 😅

If y'all need any power caps.. I just found a bag of another 100 of them in my electronics storage rack outside in the garage

I got loads of these 50 V rated 1000 uF ultra high end rubycon al pol caps

[prisma saddle]

ha ha i thought it meant the input. so thats how i have it lol

[real cedar]

Straight from Japan baby. No knock off caps

I have a lot from an old car audio project haha

[real cedar]

I mean that logical right

[prisma saddle]

ya.. seems to work.. i guess lol

[white field]

The secret is to "avoid putting 1w power thru a .25w rated device"

it turns out a 3x factor of safety is less than 4x overload.

[real cedar]

🤣 good times

[white field]

So, its hot AF outside. I'm not sure I'm gonna do Stansbury tomorrow or at night.

I kinda wanna just wait for an NPR node to get upgrade to filtered 1w.

That might completely change our needs. (and I can save my nodes for Moab link)

[real cedar]

If you connect the RF input to the "RF out" side (typically the antenna side), the filter will still function as intended because it is bidirectional. The passband (902-928 MHz) will still allow signals within that range to pass with a typical insertion loss of 2.5 dB, and out-of-band signals (e.g., at 880 MHz or 960 MHz) will be attenuated by at least 40 dB, as specified on the website. The filter’s performance i.e the insertion loss, rejection, and power handling (up to +24 dBm) will also remain the same regardless of which port is used as the input or output. These are purely for user guidance and integration

That was the email I received back

[real cedar]

I don't think it will and the reason being is its biased to one side of the oquirrhs

Gdane sent me pics

[prisma saddle]

ha ha ok then so its bi. gotcha. lol

[obsidian storm]

Do you think it'll break if you put it on backwards?

[white field]

ahhhh, it's on the West side of that summit?

[real cedar]

Bah see above

[real cedar]

Its on the east side of the summit

More east of the antenna up there

[white field]

okay, so Tooele still needs it's coverage.

and that's kinda what Stansbury would really provide.

[prisma saddle]

ya. would deseret still reach it then?

[white field]

desert would 100% cover tooele

[prisma saddle]

guess so.. since its high.

i mean hit npr.

[real cedar]

Yeah and that's what Stansbury really helps with.. Deseret is our holy grail

[white field]

that's kinda why I'm like, "less is more"

[real cedar]

It sees so many peaks at 11000 ft

[white field]

I'd rather have fewer good nodes and less congestion/collision.

[real cedar]

RLs and clients don't really harm much.. But yeah lots of routers is a collision problem waiting to occur

[white field]

After I'm back from travel, I'm planning some short camping trips to install my Henries node. Might check out fishlake too.

[prisma saddle]

thus the guide.. and lots of teaching et.c.

[white field]

What's the timing like for Desseret?

I want to avoid having to double hike stansbury if it's only relevant for a few months.

[prisma saddle]

next month? @real cedar wanted to get some others in place first.. new npr, promatory.. etc..

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[real cedar]

Next month

Its still in debate

Its highly desired but people can be butt holes so I'm making a hike to see its geocache size and what I can do with it and maybe make a Mount for it to explain the pipe node

What I need is @obsidian storm getting that idea up with all the weather data publicly available and accessible on the wev

Web

With a URL like wasatchmesh

That could look legit enough to put on a placard and tell people where to publicly access weather data and I think that makes it look soooooo much more legit.. You feel me @white field

[obsidian storm]

I've started filling https://wasatchmesh.com with garbage AI data

so there's at least something

and then I'll go about cleaning it up.

[real cedar]

Oh god AI hallucinations haha.. Yeah let me get you that when I'm home at 5 ish. Tonight I get to stay at home haha

I'll give it in segements

Let's build it logically. Talk about roles and stuff

[obsidian storm]

it's not horrible since I fed it relevant info.

but it's not good.

[white field]

I mean, if there's already any infra up there like a summit post you could put it integral to that.

[white field]

This exists.

maybe put it as part of it?

so its all the human impact all in one place.

https://youtu.be/5BdhCiO7_qg?t=263

^wait, this is the most perfect recon video ever.

[obsidian storm]

it's so pretty

[white field]

yeah, don't put a pipe on the direct ridgeline there.

too pretty

[obsidian storm]

stick it in the wind break?

[white field]

at least not on the true summit.

Yeah, I'm trying to see if that has good LOS

but I hav ea feeling that's the west side

and we really want the coverage on the east side.

[obsidian storm]

the wind break is the west side

[white field]

The peaks to the south were what I considered at one point but those to the north look really good.

[obsidian storm]

Here's the east side

too dangerous IMO

[white field]

Yeah, I don't think we can get away with this placement on the true summit.

tbh, I wouldn't want to distrub it. Its too f'in spartan and pretty

Those ones to the north look damn near the same elevation and they aren't the peak-bagger target.

[prisma saddle]

still have the coverage and see the other routers/peaks?

[white field]

yeah, 1s let me map it.

yeah, i think i see trees on satelite images of 40.495396, -112.629167

its still quite damn good

[prisma saddle]

wow

[white field]

You lose a little bit of altitude, but the peaks it can see are sick

[prisma saddle]

really wish we had someone that owned a chopper lol

[white field]

this is Deseret summit

so we aren't getting as much, but its still damn good

and its way less impact than a bare summit

treeeees

best cover ever

and also nearby vicktory mountain - less plant cover but still probably fine if the end goal is router linking.

[prisma saddle]

and looks to have coverage for grantsville/tooele too ? or just linking to standberry to push to them?

[real cedar]

Yeah that's its main goal and seeing swasey and the tushars so we can get to st george

[real cedar]

If you think vickory can do the above I'm game for vickory instead

[real cedar]

Give me a GPS coord and me and littleton can run a sim.. get an idea where to put it

it doesnt need to be on a peakbag bullseye haha

[white field]

Vickory Mountain: 40.393263, -112.591077
Deseret (alt peak): 40.495300, -112.629165

the alt-peak looks pretty solid and I can't find anything on social media of it.

[pseudo kestrel]

just saw FPR from the ARUP parking lot

[prisma saddle]

nice!!!

[obsidian storm]

I've been testing the RAK nrf modules. With static GPS, a BM680, and 3 18650s (in summer temps) it can last 25 days with no sun.

that's impressive.

that's just running at my house

looks nice. What do you plan to mount it to?

[pseudo kestrel]

RxAx isn't showing up with a location on thebadplace, can I force it to show up by sending a particular node a location exchange?

[prisma saddle]

mine stopped doing that too.

not sure why.

who is running that?

bp?

[pseudo kestrel]

(to be clear, thank you very much for running the site, it's really neat and useful <3)

[prisma saddle]

ya that looks great! excited to see it on the mesh.

[prisma saddle]

Ditto

[obsidian storm]

I have mine exposed:
https://freq51slc.thebash.ninja/

un: slcmesh
pw: slcmesh

might be interesting to compare how the two see differently.

[real cedar]

Excellent let me take a look

The odds are good I join you.. Just gotta see how I feel Friday after the 999.

After that I'll convert aurora ceresia to a Client Node

And we will be in fucking business up north

Can delay prom point a bit so I can do Olympus with rufio and help the freaking aves.. My god the eastern side of SLC coverage BLOWS

Particularly north eastern

And it's like WTF I can see 4 routers with my bincolulars I bet

I've almost got NPR built folks. Need to flash the femto. Get the BQ Texas instruments beef cake true MPPT charger fitted in.. The extra screws grinded off.. Sealed with level and stuff and then it's ready to go get posted

With BBS!!!!!

In the DM channel can someone propose how we should set up the Meshing Around BBS for us?

[leaden crow]

I think WC1 is going up tomorrow. Unless I get stuck at work, I'm on the 4pm shuttle.

[real cedar]

Dude this is so epic. I can't believe we are doing this in a coordinated manner. I nearly gave up a year ago on 20 haha

[prisma saddle]

Looks like fun

[leaden crow]

@real cedar It looks like other people are having problems with the RAK enclosures.
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[real cedar]

Damn y'all moving faster than me my time has been consumed lately

[real cedar]

Yeah. The enclosures are kinda trashy. What gets me is I've been in the design side of what they built and they didn't have to build it that way at all. Like they could have done solid brass inserts without raising the floor. They could have sealed the solar panel better. They didn't need to make it out of yellowing ABS that warps.. Its expensive for what you get

[real cedar]

Dude yesterdays weather was so nice. Not sure if I'm just acclimated to the heat already but it feels so good and I'm a winter guy

[white field]

Yeah, I'm trying to just spec out a solar pannel that fits easily and I'll drill/pot my own wiring.

In the meantime, I own 5 of them.

[real cedar]

Well how big can it be. Are soshines too big

[obsidian storm]

it's so hot

I give up being outside at about 1:30pm and will go back out around 6

[real cedar]

You know that might a local to Utah thing. I'm def not a native and this is cool weather from my perspective. I don't usually complain until around 110 F. I think it's the dry heat that makes it easy for me. I've spent so much time in the 100+ weather with nearly 100+ humidity and that's awful but dry.. At least you can dry off and cool down a bit hahahah

Something I've found that really helps me is purposefully excercising and hydrating in the heat.. I swear to god it does something. It's like your body gets way more efficient at sweating idk

But it definitely helps me lol

Maybe that will help you if you try it IDK. Just be safe dont get sunburnt or anything.

[prisma saddle]

ugg ya i hate it. spring and fall is my groove.

[obsidian storm]

well I complain indoors at 75*.
I'm just used to about 68-72. Anything outside of that is uncomfortable.

[prisma saddle]

ditto

[obsidian storm]

I keep my thermostat at 69-70 year round.

[prisma saddle]

eh wish i could do that. $270+ power bill won’t let me.

homelab just laughs at me.

[obsidian storm]

it's not too bad if you set it higher throughout the house and put a window unit in bedrooms.

[twilit fjord]

hi there, i recently discovered meshtastic and thought the concept is really cool. glad to have joined the server. i haven't bought any hardware, but i think i'll look into it soon. south salt lake here

[prisma saddle]

hi there. good to have ya. i’m out of herriman / riverton.

happy to help if you have any questions. .

[twilit fjord]

why do people usually set a device up? i mostly just think the concept is cool and i'd like to support it, but i don't really get why most people would be using it haha. my mind goes to doomsday when telecommunications goes down lol but i don't think that's the reason why most people use the mesh

[prisma saddle]

my use case is emergencies like a ham radio would be. also cell phone signal issues. or outdoor family trips. off the grid. etc.

[prisma saddle]

and cause it’s fun. or “science”.

new gadget to play with.

[twilit fjord]

gotcha. i'm trying to determine my use case so i can decide what hardware would be good for me

but i think it's mostly just for fun, so maybe something inexpensive

[vital hemlock]

It’s a lot of potential use cases, serious ones, but at the end of the day it’s mostly for fun. For me.

[obsidian storm]

Lately I've been using Meshtastic a ton with my kids. I clip a tiny node to them that beeps, and I’ve set mine up to send an alert with a double tap. Their device beeps when it gets the message and when they press their button to acknowledge, it stops, and they come running to me. It's basically a remote recall system for little kids 😄

I'm using the cheap $30 T1000-e trackers from SEEED

a simple, cheap, wakie talkie could do the same thing

but it's fun 😄

[twilit fjord]

that looks like a nice starter option for me, it's this one? https://muzi.works/products/seeed-t1000e

[obsidian storm]

Yes, but it's cheeper direct:
Wrong link edited out
Use the code: WELCOME5 and SYY4V675

[twilit fjord]

ohh thank you

[obsidian storm]

Wait

[twilit fjord]

what does that second code do? i tried it but it didn't do anything

[obsidian storm]

That was the wrong link

https://www.seeedstudio.com/SenseCAP-Card-Tracker-T1000-E-for-Meshtastic-p-5913.html

Sorry! Use this one

[twilit fjord]

thank you

cool that the antenna is internal

[twilit fjord]

does anyone have a recommendation for one that would be more likely for me to be able to find other nodes in the valley? i assume 5km range might be too short, but also idk the coverage. i think the lower the frequency the longer the range, but what is a decent frequency for finding another node in the valley?

[prisma saddle]

if your really going to get into it. get a setup for a roof node. then that t1000e can be your inside and around town node

it will pick stuff up inside. but getting messages out not so much.

was a game changer once i had one on my roof.

[real cedar]

I also grew up without air-conditioning (across the small pond) so that might be playing a pretty large role 😅

Occasionally across the big pond but that was rare and short

[real cedar]

So your the group of undecodable packets rufio and I log.. You know I'll admit I expected to see so much more traffic but as far as I can tell from raw logging the network.. Most nodes aren't sending a ton of messages

We have compared logs and I miss a packet or two but it's otherwise quiet out there haha other than the routine network maintenance traffic and dagron going ham on trace routes 🤣

I'm always delighted to see 3805 solar 4 the owl

In 3 hops at that

Usually owl --> eagle --> 38fb --> me

@maiden wraith when we place FPR. I will take ceresia over yo my spot near the Weber state nuames campus. I have a pole out there

And make it a client and ideally that should really fill in all the coverage in the nooks and crannies

How often are you gonna send weather updates.. 1800 seconds seems like a nice amount. Doesn't blast it

[prisma saddle]

wish we had signal in tooele/grantsville already. it anyway prob running to my parents on monday snd gonna throw up a roof node for him. i mean a barn node.

[twilit fjord]

ohh that is interesting, i hadn't thought of that setup. i have a 3rd story balcony but no roof sadly but i bet that'd be good enough?

[prisma saddle]

if you have direct line of site to point of the mountain or nelson peak. then yes.

[real cedar]

As long as you can see any of the ridge lines

Your fine

AUR if your facing el norte

POTM if your facing south

NPR if your facing west

East your gonna be bouncing a bit

[leaden crow]

Let me know if WC1 pops up in your node lists. It's placed and was populating it's node list, but I didn't get traceroutes returned or messages out. Unfortunately it specifically needs to reach NPR, or some other node in this cone, of which I don't think any exist on 51 now.

[real cedar]

What is its node number or meshtastic xyz

I got a lot of meshtastic alphanumerals showing up

[leaden crow]

!aac126e8

[real cedar]

Yeah I see it

Just no name or node info yet

[prisma saddle]

i do too.

[real cedar]

Last heard 32 mins ago

Its a client. Text it

[prisma saddle]

last 1 day for me.

[real cedar]

Oooof did I get a packet across the mtn sides or maybe cuz I can direct to NPR?

[leaden crow]

the nodeinfo will be really slow.
nodeInfoBroadcastSecs: 10800

[real cedar]

5 hrs?

That's if your node doesn't get unlucky

It is after all a hidden node more than anything else

It might be colliding who knows? I would try to check up on it through that corridor

Mobile node and a car

[leaden crow]

3hrs, but yeah, maybe I'll change that..

it should be broadcasting the environment telemetry every hour.

[real cedar]

Is it still a client or is it a router late

Router late helps where it's at

On a remote peak connecting through a small corridor connecting to pools of the network lol

[leaden crow]

Client. I assumed I would change it, but shouldn't matter if nothing it broadcasts is received, it won't matter if it's client or router

[real cedar]

Well not quite

Not at least from what erayd has mentioned

I think RL would force the broadcast and rebroadcast of packets or at least it always tries to rebroadcast to say the least

But maybe that's still not the correct interpretation? 😂

[prisma saddle]

ya i can’t trace it at all.

[real cedar]

Yeah it's not responding to my trace

It is no longer considered online by the network

I cannot send a message to it

It is queued

[obsidian storm]

You should be able to keep track and attribute this undecodable traffic to me by identifying where and which node the traffic is coming from.

The from and to is part of the unencrypted header of the packet

[real cedar]

Yeah but I dont know all your nodes. I haven't looked them all up yet ahha

Admittedly I was going to get stuff done this week but life happened again 🤪

[obsidian storm]

I have too many nodes at this point

[white field]

Has anyone done any MediumFast/ShortFast testing with mountain nodes here yet?

I feel like we should start assessing our max range with optimal hardwares. (1w + filter)

We know we can't take people's word for ranges since people say, "unlimited".

We are already seeing that 30 miles RX can be a struggle for LongFast on some of the standard hardware. I think we need to starting figuring this out sooner than later since we are gonna run out of bandwidth soon.

[obsidian storm]

We can switch AUR and POTM for a few hours and see how it works out?

[real cedar]

Bat and I can test the northern sector

And leave your part functional

He's taking up FPR and AUR is the other good one to switch and ceresia and if those all work with tren bat and I. We should make the slow change over

@maiden wraith set it to SF before you out it up. Then I'll change ceresia and my nodes and if that works I'll change AUR. Sound like a plan?

[white field]

Do we have any nodes deployed with 1w + filter yet?

I'm trying to determine which ones could be good candidates.

Any mountain nodes with filters that I could drive out along i-80 to range check?

I have an un-filtered RAK on my dash we could use as the range test reference.

I suppose for what I care about, we really want to test the RX ability for the node on the mountain.

We know that nodes in low noise RX have mega range. (I did 60 miles on MF)

I want to put a filtered summit node in on SF and see how far I can drive before signal dies.

[white field]

Happy to let ya'll independently test intermeshing tho

I gotta get some work done for a bit more before I can do the driving. Might do it this evening. 🤷

[twilit fjord]

sorry stupid question but ridge lines: are those routers people have setup in the area already?

[white field]

Yeah, we have the area nearly fully saturated with routers already on LongFast/51.

At this point we are trying to iterate on optimizing the existing placements to make them more reliable.