US - Utah

[real cedar]

I'm holding off on any upgrades. I went to 2.6.4 and I wanted nothing to do with the instability I saw on my devices on the later versions. I also held my app back since I use obtanium on android. I can just roll the app back

Something I appreciate about Android is I can say no to something like that haha 😄

https://obtainium.imranr.dev/

I hope once I get my desert nodes up and one in Nevada and a couple in Idaho that the devs don't make me drive 220 miles to deal with a firmware upgrade. I'll probably rage 🤣

[real cedar]

Shit.. I need to edit my config. For some reason ceresia is talking every 30 minutes. I probably left something incorrect in the backup config haha

[leaden crow]

@prisma saddle
Successful traces: 27
Failed traces: 21
56% Success
Outbound: -3.89dB mean SNR from 17 recorded values
Inbound: -10.71dB mean SNR from 24 recorded values

Let me know when your filter is installed and I'll run it again.

[prisma saddle]

ok cool ill pull it down at lunch and make the change. will let you know thanks

[white field]

Worst case I can help people compile their own versions of the app.

Go comment/react in those threads if you feel stronly.

https://github.com/meshtastic/Meshtastic-Apple/pull/1241

^ oh there's a ticket open for it.

here we go.

Someone'se already on it. 🎉

[prisma saddle]

went and grabbed it off the roof. stupid bird poop all over it lol

[prisma saddle]

I am working on adding 2 more batts to my setup for my roof. any issues with the setup of 4 in par ? 18750 batts. 3400mah each.

[leaden crow]

It shouldn't be a problem. Ideally you want a cell balancing charger, but plenty of people get by with 3-4 cell packs w/o it.

[prisma saddle]

got 2 in par already. been on that way for a month worked great, adding 2 more.

[obsidian storm]

It was closed and rejected.

[prisma saddle]

that is lame..

[white field]

Yeah, I mean. I'm going to see what it takes to publish a forked version of the app.

I could be extra passive aggressive and ask in the public channels about how to publish an official fork. 😂

[real cedar]

I will try to provide constructive feedback

I understand the pain of being an open source developer

[real cedar]

Do you have connections to someone senior on the project. I have something well worded that I thought out pretty well since this morning and would like to send it to the proper person

[real cedar]

Parallel will handle balancing since the high battery will drain to the low BUT what you might consider adding or custom building (I am currently) is the ability to detect bad cells and isolate them from bringing a large parallel pack down

[prisma saddle]

do tell?

[prisma saddle]

thanks

[real cedar]

Its not straight forward to tell.. I'm basically designing a BMS

[prisma saddle]

gotcha

[white field]

https://github.com/meshtastic/Meshtastic-Apple/pull/1241#issuecomment-2937084795

^ @real cedar this is probably the feature suggestion that's most aligned with their OG design intent.

My guess is that I'm not actually aiming against the intent of what Garth is going for, but he's not communicating the reasoning for why he wants feature changes. (The feature intent appears to be to make this UI less confusing for people who don't need to see routers in chats, but the discussion has been centered around telling us to update router firmwares)

[prisma saddle]

maybe a option to show/hide “advanced” features. i’m dunno

[white field]

I mean, we don't even need that.

There's already a UI that allows for un-hiding nodes that are "ignored" in the chat UI for iOS.

unmessagable and ignored are sibling attributes of the node entities used by this UI, so it would be extremely easy to add a setting here that can be changed to show routers and other nodes marked this way. (probably 2-3 min of code changes if it's possible for this to get approval)

[real cedar]

He did I sparked the convo in the firmware channel

But it looks like you just need to downgrade the apps

And you might be fine

[white field]

Literally have to fork it to resolve the problem.

I would only be able to acheive this since I happen to have the iOS dev toolchain building the Meshtastic-Apple project and I can compile it from source.

[real cedar]

Fudge and we can't just give me your key

Well I tried to communicate how it does affect some people more than others but I also understand their explanations

Trying not to be adverserial or anything 😄

[prisma saddle]

i was trying to do some stuff too but works best with paid dev :(. so i gave up. xcode setup etc is such a pain.

haha well put guys .

[white field]

Yeah, gotta pay $110 per year to daddy apple to get it installed on a phone from what I remember.

I mean, technically its probably not that hard to scrub the visual branding from meshtastic and publish a fork on the app store. But its definitely a "nuclear option" that should only be used if absolutely necessary. (would probably take several days of work to do and some extra $ and ???)

[real cedar]

Did that sucks. This is why I would never develop for Apple. I just can't deal with their crap. I don't care how good their ecosystem is. 😄

I'll do so for a job like I have before

Androids dumb too but that's a different rant

Google likes duplicating wheels in place

[real cedar]

I'd support it but let's give the devs a chance to listen to concerns. I can understand where they poured hours in and now got tons of WTFs haha

[white field]

Yeah, I think we just wait for a bit.

We can probably let other people discuss it and then more and more people will open PRs with proposals.

[real cedar]

I think if we communicate more and show them they will totally understand

I put a good bit in use cases and hopefully that has some good effect 🙂

[obsidian storm]

@real cedar I'm gonna guess this 16000mah battery is no good, even though it fits so nicely

[real cedar]

you can run them in that

they have room to expand

they just dont charge well below freezing is all

[prisma saddle]

haha wow. now that is a battery!

[real cedar]

Hold my beer

Should I remove the BMS.. Weld them in parallel 😂🤣

But yeah that flat cell is huge

God bless his node when the flat cell gives up 🤣

On the bright side. He might not need to worry about safe disposal (I kid I kid)

[prisma saddle]

lol.

for all of it.

[prisma saddle]

ye lol.

[obsidian storm]

where do you get these?

[prisma saddle]

but a broken e-bike or scooter.

lol.

[real cedar]

Do you really want to know what rufio and I are up to? We can chat Thursday. If you want to know where to buy them

I know that too

But like if you know how you can skip a 24 dollar charge 🤣

[obsidian storm]

Thursday then 😄

[real cedar]

😂 I presumed that would be the answer

[prisma saddle]

i know most of the companies are upgrading their batteries to the enclosed crap. maybe that’s a way. dunno.

haha.

[real cedar]

That doesn't help them

Lasers and saws exist

Portable ones even

But you shouldn't take from what's perfectly functioning

[prisma saddle]

lol. no i mean get the old ones from them is all.

[real cedar]

Dont be a dick haha but ewaste

Go for it

[real cedar]

Oh for sure

Especially the bankrupt ones

[prisma saddle]

😉

[real cedar]

Panda Clearly knows how too 🤣

[prisma saddle]

yup lol.

[real cedar]

@obsidian storm actually hit me up in the mesh chat

[prisma saddle]

if forgot to ask what mah are those?

[real cedar]

Ill tell you there

[real cedar]

3200

@obsidian storm hey did you receive all the messages

I get no delivered ack from you

So idk if you did

[obsidian storm]

nope.

I still can't recieve very well from you. I can traceroute AUR quite well though.

[real cedar]

Weird. It could be that AUR ceresia hop but I don't get it. I think it's gonna boil down to having a very high gain antenna router late up north. I'm working on it but I need 4x4 to get out there and snow is finally melting so soon

I don't get why I see you just fine

I got all check marks too

@leaden crow despite the lack of bad packets being high.. Do you think we have reached our limit on LongFast?

[leaden crow]

idk if that's our problem. we have not reached the channel util. problems that LF20 had.
We are also probably going to lose NPR and POTM, so it'd be nice if we had alternatives when we switch.
I can't get anything back from your ceresia node either. Have tried from both NSL and my roof.

[real cedar]

Weird. It definitely pings you

[leaden crow]

I think BP still has his old roof node, and I have spare nodes. We could have everyone with spare nodes switch them to MF and start testing

[real cedar]

Why are we losing NPR and POTM?

[leaden crow]

Because owner is AWOL

[obsidian storm]

I can ping AUR easy

[real cedar]

Okay. Well owner AWOl is a very simple problem to solve

We can even be super polite about it

We can depower their node or upgrade their firmware whatever and leave a note in the enclosure and say hey we upgraded it. See discord. Sorry. No malice meant

[real cedar]

If I saw that note I'd actually appreciate it so much

[real cedar]

So when I was bluetoothed into ceresia. It had GREEN signal stats to AUR directly

[leaden crow]

I wouldn't even bother with that. If you're going to hike up there, put up a new node. I don't think it's in an especially good spot. I have no desire to hike that and maintain that node.

But I've mentioned that before. My knees are done with descending peak bagger hikes. It's locations I can cycle too or nothing for me.

[obsidian storm]

A traceroute to Aurora Ceresia fails

[leaden crow]

I though for sure I would hit Ceresia from NSL, but I tried a bunch of times last night and today and they failed.

Most of my traceroutes in the valley are still successful.

[obsidian storm]

maybe it got bumped out of place?

[real cedar]

Do you suggest we depower their nodes and repost ours and leave theirs in the spot or take them down and safe keep them?

[real cedar]

I can walk and check with binoculars

Talk in 45

[leaden crow]

idk, honestly I don't think taking them over would be the worst. I just don't want to personally advocate someone do that. If they do it of their own volition. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real cedar]

I might do it but I'll do so extremely politely. Depower the node. Leave a note. Put a brand new on on the same pole

@obsidian storm its still in the exact same spot

I got a trace route to you through aur

With it

I wonder if it's the not messageable thing? Idk

[obsidian storm]

So wth

[real cedar]

Your extremely faint to AUR @obsidian storm

It could just be that your getting rate limited with all the talking down there cuz it's doing just fine for me and I can trace to trenbologna, NPR, ds nsl easily

Not sure why y'all are having trouble I'm confused too haha

I got all your messages fine

I really gotta fix this haha

I need to focus on Olympus and northward for a bit

[obsidian storm]

I get nothing from you

Maybe I need a filter

[real cedar]

Its possible

The bowl is super noisey

But once you get up near the base the 900 MHz noise drops off dramatically

The farther north the quieter it gets on my SA obviously

But also consider this. The northern section hangs on by a thread.. AUR and C6C are their only chances to talk to you cuz NPR is blind to us

Francis peak node has been dead for some time. @maiden wraith owns it

I think and he has a plan to replace that

Got ya yeah I just wanted to make sure you still had that plan

I want to do Ben Lomond but I don't think I can hide it so sadly Imma have to find a different way to logan

[obsidian storm]

How high does it need to be?

[real cedar]

@white field hey bud I have a solution. Backup your node config and keys. If you come to the space we could load a device with your keys. Depower yours and use the older version of the Android app to help you? It's a bit roundabout but if you need it I'm willing to try and help you recover the situation without having to hike 😂

[real cedar]

It has to be at the peak

You have little other choice

About 37 ish ft down you lose the potential to hop to logan

Because you need to see big baldy next to Logan in order to hop down to the city

Which IF I did Ben Lommy. I'd need someone to do big baldy

[obsidian storm]

Dang. Not here huh?

https://goo.gl/maps/55pjR1QkjbVASUHP8

[real cedar]

Way too low

Plus

You have one other issue

Ben Lomond sees over 10 ft of snowpack

You need a 12-15 ft pole 🤣

[obsidian storm]

There's some trees pretty close to the peak that you can probably use

[real cedar]

I mean I'm SUPER GAME but realize.. We are gonna lose Ben lommy eventually

One second I may have misremembered the exact name

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Big+Baldy,+Utah+84321/@41.7638921,-111.770151,11z/data=!4m9!1m2!2m1!1sBaldy+mtn+near+logan+utah!3m5!1s0x8753875054be7f75:0x59054e768360e2a!8m2!3d41.6743772!4d-111.7524407!16s%2Fg%2F1tvdk8b_?utm_campaign=ml-ardi&g_ep=Eg1tbF8yMDI1MDYwMl8wIOC7DCoASAJQAQ%3D%3D

Its south of Temple Baldy

It had the least trail access and thus ideal

But also it's logan people there are chill AF. I expect nobody to fuck with an xmitter near there

[real cedar]

They aren't trees. They are knee height bushes. Like I said if I did this it would have to be a peak art addition

Forget that

Go put it up near the transmitters at logan

Then Francis peak can see them

I'll delete that link in a minute 😂

Once you've seen the map

I bet if you do that. Francis Peak should see it and BOOM we have a connection to Logan baby

And you know we would fix ALOT of signal issues up north.. With the additional of promotory point we would have the whole lake.. All of I15 and Ogden from both prom and Francis. I think that might just work!

Phaha happens to me too

I think we have a game plan though. I wonder how soon the logan peak xmitters are accessible

Try to put your nodes on 2.6.9 or higher

That way we never have remote admin or DM issues and yeah once we are ready to switch to Short Fast we might not even have to hike?

Excellent. I'll roll with that game plan. You got Francis. I got prom. Your buddy has Logan peak

[obsidian storm]

Why did yours die @maiden wraith ? Snow?

[real cedar]

Holy unexpected good luck @maiden wraith

Logan Peak can see promotory Point 🤣.. We got the triangle TRIFECTA full send

Genius placement at Francis man

I love redundant router to router paths out

Yeah honestly your xmitters fucked

Probably burnt out from reflections

Sorry it got vandalised

I would highly suggest better anchoring. Full metal box and key maybe?

[obsidian storm]

Ooh. Did you get pictures of it?

I'm curious what the vandalizing was like

[real cedar]

They probably thought it was a helium miner

Integrate the antenna this time. Mount at the top of the leftover tower

You could and you could definitely try to put it on the high ridgeline cliffs to the north on your own pole.. Be careful. Wasatch peaks resort is private land now as is thurston sadly but I know a patroller there from.. Well let's leave that to your imaginations.. Anyways she could likely hook us up with a ride up the lift if I told her we would ski down the front in winter which might make the node serviceable hahah

https://a.co/d/5jglVrD

One of these

Lock and key

What's epic is an Alfa antenna fits inside

So you could keep the antenna internal according some minor signal degradation but yeah man an 8.5 BIG ass omni and a junction box would be great especially if people left it alone with you having a note on there

What antenna are you using

Yeah that's a good antenna. I mean 8.5 would be nice but it's 40 inches long

Anyways yeah if you get a bigger box you can hide it inside

Then lock it

Surround it with lexel

😂 could you please put a BME680 in it from rak. Ill venmo you

Weather at the top would be AMAZING to have

https://store.rokland.com/products/rak-wireless-rak1906-wisblock-environment-sensor-bosch-bme680

This

And a heavily baffled NPT plug to allow airflow

Extension sensor cable

BOOM

weather station

I have no clue

One sec

Link me your hardware

Ahh yeah give me a sec

@maiden wraith

Adafruit BME680 Sensor Breakout

Connect it to i2c

Or
DFRobot BME680 Environmental Sensor

Either way you want i2c and the correct address meshtastic expects and solder it to the bus

Should work 😄

Good luck to that sensor surviving the brutal winter but hey.. SCIENCE haha

[obsidian storm]

anything good to do with a heltec v2?

[leaden crow]

isn't the v2 not supported anymore? would rpobably end up in a box with my sx1276 lilygos

[real cedar]

On AURs bottom side.. I put an npt cable gland with a metal mesh on the outside and a fabric mesh on the inside to baffle it against blowing snow and stuff @maiden wraith ... I then caulked the sensor into place and sealed the container

And that Chang one might work. check the i2c address. Make sure it's what meshtastic expects to see a bme680 on.

[obsidian storm]

correct.

I see meshcore still supports it

[real cedar]

I haven't used meshcore

No community to realistically try it with

I just looked at the firmware on git

SDA -> pin 0.16, SCL -> pin 0.13

So 13 and 16 should be the sda and scl lines you want

Haha

They aren't marked as i2c but the board layout and the firmware suggests that's what they are

Best of luck. I love hacking stuff on

Cool thanks for the chat. Also 1800 is my env and AQ interval on AUR and it works great

Highly recommend that for weather and stuff

[obsidian storm]

looks like I'm putting up a node with meshcore.

nothing else to do with this heltecv2

[real cedar]

Forget meshcore

Make it standard lora

And do something cool with it

Idk talk to lorasats haha

@obsidian storm I pinged dc801 for a weather forecast and received all 7 days in order quickly

Idk why your having trouble talking to me

I'm at a true loss haha

[obsidian storm]

how many hops ?

[leaden crow]

I'll run traceroutes all night from dsr2 to C6C. So far the first 6 have failed.

[prisma saddle]

@leaden crow will be working on getting filter on my roof node. and will toss it back up at lunch tomorrow. then see if it makes a diff.

[real cedar]

2

[real cedar]

I don't get why it won't answer you. It answers me fine

Especially when I was in west valley today

[real cedar]

What makes even less sense is its filtered. Its elevated. It sees all the routers and I have 57 online

So I don't get it 😂

Trenbologna instantly noticed it

I wonder is the TR getting dropped at AUR

[real cedar]

We have identified bash's problem to be the hill he lives near

Debug log on 2.6 stores relay node and next hop. Also I've had constant signal stats with little to no deviation so the tree swaying in the wind up here is doing little to affect it

So now.. I need to figure out why dagron cannot see my node well enough. I pinged all your nodes with a DM. Maybe see if you can decipher the relay node for your path to it

And the next hop

@leaden crow you said you had an NPR replacement. Give me a snow report. I'll do it

[leaden crow]

I don't on hand, but I could.
I'm going to be mostly out of town for the next 4 weeks. I'm hoping to get Desolation Peak placed this month, probably won't get much done other than that.
I think I will try and change the placement of dsr2 antenna this week before I leave. I have some ideas about improving it.

[real cedar]

Totally understand. Do you have the filter for 1 watt

Its the one part I need

I'll make NPRs replacement

What constraints do I have

You know better than I

[leaden crow]

I have an acasom in dsr2, but I don't think that will fit in NPR enclosure

[real cedar]

I can 3d print a case around it and mount it externally maybe?

How were you going to design it

I'd like to get it replaced so we can try SF

[leaden crow]

Oh, I had no plans to replace NPR. My goals are all Wasatch Crest. If we need hardware for it, I can probably help out.

[real cedar]

I might be jumping the gun but I won't be rude to the existing hardware. I'll try to open and depower it

If I'm unsuccessful I'll take it down

I will leave it at the hackerspace so its somewhere publicly acessibly by all of us

So do we want it to be a 1 watt node or not

If not I have the hardware

If so I don't have the hardware

I need the filter and ideas haha

Size constraints

Looks.. Can I make the new one look like an amatuer weather station?

Haha

[leaden crow]

IMO, where it's placed right now. I'm surprised it hasn't been removed. I would keep it as subtle as possible. I don't know how you make it a 1 watt node without making it huge--At minimum the size of Comms Channel femtofox build.

If someone makes the hike to it, add a GPIO labs filter, update the firmware. Get it managed so we could switch it to MF.. I would not argue with that. I am conflicted about taking over someone else's node.

[real cedar]

Fair. Will attempt. I would be conflicted if it was on a newer firmware and the user wasn't AWOL

Its entirely possible life just happened and project abandoned

@leaden crow I'll leave a note inside it too. Saying for them yo come to the discord without naming it. That we will place their public key in for management upon us hearing from them with an apology

I think that's least offensive

@obsidian storm you ready for us both to be radio pirates

🤣

https://tenor.com/view/jack-sparrow-i-like-that-captain-jack-sparrow-little-jack-gif-15559683640369424147

[obsidian storm]

I like how they made the temp sensor

that looks pretty legit.

[real cedar]

Is that 3dp

[obsidian storm]

https://www.printables.com/model/922784-3d-solarnode-meshtastic

[real cedar]

Adorable

[obsidian storm]

looks legit

[real cedar]

Kinda wanna modify the top and make it look like a radome

For giggles

Like a really big.. Golf ball

Anyways yeah definitely awesome for city nodes

I'm keeping that

Don't be surprised if you see one downtown

[obsidian storm]

https://www.printables.com/model/462953-anemometer-with-hall-sensor-and-magnet

mix a few of these together

no one will touch your stuff

[obsidian storm]

I think this is the solar mount I'm going to end up with:
https://www.printables.com/model/877883-soshine-solar-panel-mount

Of all the ones I've looked at, this one looks really good.

• fits the oversized soshine 6w
• lets you poke the antenna directly out of the box
• covers the box in shade so it doesn't get to 60*C

[real cedar]

I actually want to have one spin a 3 phase mini generator

I found a few that I could put a small gear reduction drive on and make as much as a 10W solar panel at about 15 to 20 mph wind

I need to make a design for my acopowers.

[leaden crow]

Haven't seen that one before. Looks nice.

[white field]

How much are ya'll spending to build your smaller solar nodes?

I want to put together more and while I like the simple assembly of the RAK modules, I really find the antenna thru-mounting insufficient for the price.

I just had a 3rd SMA -> N-SMA F adaptor break from getting tossed around my bags. I'm really concerned that one of these is going to fail under wind loading.

I want to swap to N-SMA bulkhead fittings so it's direct from antenna to the enclosure. (I might drill out some for my remaining RAK enclosures)

[leaden crow]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QPoOQTtl9XMiBfF4rbVXrcTrfdd0FfS3eWodbE2e7E4/edit?usp=sharing
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Q1FjqozQR83Xcak6rK-ZUiIHDR0YKH_R28HjLxGJLeQ/edit?usp=sharing

I strongly prefer the N bulkhead fitting. SMA are flimsy and the cheap ones rust quickly. I have been covering them with Lexel, but that's a bandaid fix.

@obsidian storm
This is to TKR Node 5

Successful traces: 44
Failed traces: 4
91% Success
Outbound: -9.10dB mean SNR from 44 recorded values
Inbound: 1.00dB mean SNR from 35 recorded values

Most common path was this one through NPR
!eba4d26b --> !0e81d07d (?dB) --> !523eb6da (-8.75dB)
Route traced back to us:
!523eb6da --> !20686864 (5.75dB) --> Unknown (?dB) --> !eba4d26b (-11.5dB)

[prisma saddle]

got mine wired again and turned on, just need to put it back on the roof @leaden crow

[prisma saddle]

i like the list there. do you have a set you use for rak?

[obsidian storm]

Are you looking for super cheap?

I've been working on one based on the Xiao with a fancy B680 for about $40
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17iFwMv51k7B37duVvu6KSptyphx8TWacCQnGFgQ6mgU/edit?usp=drivesdk

We'll see if the price actually holds

[white field]

I mostly just care about the eclosure. I'm happy with RAK unit pricing and my BPS.

[obsidian storm]

Considering I have none placed yet.... Take this for what it's worth. The cheap Amazon enclosure looks great

https://a.co/d/7Hturh5

[white field]

I was monitoring mesh traffic yesterday and I notice that there's a surprising number of automated traceroutes happening.

Apparently some apps like Meshsense are running tooling to auto-populate hopsAway. We should probably figure out which nodes have this enabled and ask their owners to disable it.

[obsidian storm]

We've been having @leaden crow run automated traceroutes

To test antenna swaps

[white field]

What's the name of that node?

[obsidian storm]

#1197577977781821541 message

[leaden crow]

I don't know if that's mine. I only run one trace every 15 minutes. I was running them from both dsr1 and dsr2 last night.

[white field]

Yeah, it was someone else. I think it might have been BP_RPI

I'm off mesh atm, but if someone can bring a new node online (for the first time in a while) you'll see traceroutes automatically hit your node.

[prisma saddle]

I can pull travel one on

[white field]

I can't monitor it atm, so you'd need to track your mesh traffic to see if someone runs a traceroute against it.

[prisma saddle]

kk watching the logs.

[white field]

https://mesh.thebadplace.org/firehose?portnum=70

^oh apparenntly this is working. 🙂

[leaden crow]

oh, that's cool.
I am the traceroute abuser. 😆

[prisma saddle]

ha ha

[obsidian storm]

I'm going to throw a new antenna up and let's abuse it some more 😄

[prisma saddle]

Ight guess ill go throw my node back up.

one day need to walk on the roof and move it somewhere else.. but wife wont like that

[real cedar]

Is the data useful?

[real cedar]

🤣

[prisma saddle]

ight its up there. have a feeling its not better or is worse.. but will see lol not really the best spot i think..

[real cedar]

I think some TRs might be failing @white field because of the rate limiting that occurs to TRs when the network traffic gets high enough

Would be very interested to see if everyone stopped all their TRs for 24/7 to see where our baseline utilization is at. I've never found a quiet enough period to measure that

[leaden crow]

That was quick

[obsidian storm]

Still will be quite a bit for the parts

[prisma saddle]

sweet

[prisma saddle]

on all your home roof nodes. do you have the 8db or alfa?

antenna.

[real cedar]

I can't wait for this but I also am starting to ask myself, where am I going to put all these one watt nodes that are actually strategically placed to utilize that one watt?

Part of me has been considering to turn NPR into a one watt node with the nebras. I would 3D print a cap for the box so that I could put the filter inside.

@prisma saddle do you have a nebra and are ordering a hat? If so.. Why not make deseret that

It's line of sight is so huge, I imagine it would be extremely beneficial.

I contemplated our issue with some users going in active at times and how to maybe fix that for the mesh in terms of maintenance.

I wanted to toss out the idea that we assigned sectors with a primary and two secondary keys that belong to various individuals who would actually be able to maintain things so that one key doesn't lock us out permanently. I feel like I trust a good few of you to have that privilege to my node, but I just kind of wanted to toss out the idea and see what you guys think.

[prisma saddle]

ya i did order one or so. and sounds good. i was just asking about the antenna to see if i was missing out on something for home and better signal.

my filter is on mine. and it’s inside the box should it not be?

[prisma saddle]

the short time i’ve been here and my understanding of all of it. i agree. not that ill be in the line for access but to keep tabs on them all and so on.

[obsidian storm]

Will you start the traceroute test again? I put the new antenna up

[prisma saddle]

because what’s the point of doing all this if nobody is gonna be around to maintain it when we really need it :-). @real cedar

so good idea 🙂

[obsidian storm]

What do you think about everyone storing their backup priv key here:
https://bitwarden.com/help/emergency-access/

And we setup the emergency access feature

Or use some other form of quorum/backup access encryption?

[prisma saddle]

I would probably even say the exact GPS cords of the node so that if needed, it could accessed or fixed and replaced replaced.

[real cedar]

Well what I was thinking is that Jacob has clearly shown he prefers the southern and central section for routers. I and batmans Wang handle the northern routes.. Dagron and Bash seem to have the bowl down pack and you definitely are gonna have a node covering the toele area. I kinda figured okay 3 people. 3 keys from their main stable portable node.. We agree not to abuse the trust amongst each other. Throw it in @obsidian storm s Addy meshbook and at least have it so that if I drop dead or one of us for whatever reason becomes incapacitated.. That there is another admin or contact in case of that

Its just a thought. I don't want to dictate what people do with what they bought 😂

As for back country.. I guess it's who's willing to hike and maintain what haha

I think if we do get a route to st George through deseret - > swasey - > signal.. I'll take one for the team and handle the god awful desert nodes

[prisma saddle]

i don’t even live in tooele. but i’ll make my dad keep watch of it since he does lol. once it’s up and going.

haha.

[real cedar]

🤣 does he have a node? Cuz I was gonna say we got a couple hacker space people that live out that way that are very trustworthy and have nodes. I'd like to ask if they would be willing first. I know one isn't because he refuses to hike deseret

He's like FUCK THAT SHIT

🤣

Tbf I don't blame him. Deserets a hike... A real one

Fun and beautiful but it is a steep one

Let me draw what I mean

[prisma saddle]

yup he has started a group out there. before i even knew. about this. last year sometime.

[prisma saddle]

that’s fine with me. prob better off too.

i’d be happy to get it out there then we can all maintain it.

or w/e

[real cedar]

Thats kinda my thought

IDK these are the only names whom I know are active and passionate and are in here frequently

[real cedar]

Hell yeah. I mean if he wants to join. LF51 after you get deseret up.. Tell him he's welcome to.. We don't bite haha

If anything that little blue square is literally the most important part of the entire mesh. Literally could lose the entire other set of areas and it wouldnt be catastrophic haha

@obsidian storm @leaden crow @white field

Thoughts? Idk I'm spitballing here 😄

@maiden wraith

I mean maybe don't sell him with words Convince him just enough to take a hike with you.. Go see an awesome view of the cache valley and as a side quest you place the thing. Give him a node and say hey chat with me on the network.. If he finds it cool you pretty much know

That's the way I'd do it. Everyone at the hackerspace proved the model works haha. They saw the signal all the way down near marys nipple and could communicate with me in Roy and they were all finding it super cool and said PUT MORE ROUTERS UP on high mountains 🤣

[prisma saddle]

looks awesome.

and fun! i’m excited lol.

[prisma saddle]

and you said. help me do it! right?

lol. i’ve not even done one and see how much work it is just getting things setup.

[real cedar]

I did but I try not to push or anything. I know climbing a 12000 ft peak isn't exactly at the top of everyone's fun todo list

🤣

[prisma saddle]

haha ya.

y. if bro in lehi does it too. but cause is is in the lehi bo can’t hit potm but im sure else would bd willing to help expand it there too.

if i can convince him to use discord. prob not. lol.

i’ll be for sure throwing some stuff up hobble creek time. for my cabin.

[real cedar]

Yeah POTM can't see that area but guess what 😂 deseret can.. Lowe peak can (but I'd recommend it be a client at lowe)

[prisma saddle]

ya he is right below i15 next to thanksgiving point.

[leaden crow]

Running ACE-Roof rn. I'll start it later tonight.

[real cedar]

Node placement might have to wait a week on Promotory 😂

I shredded another maxxiss tire

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

MTB go brrr

[prisma saddle]

lol. what are you doing to do that.

[prisma saddle]

those are good tires.. what are you doing lol

[pseudo kestrel]

Wait, hold on, is Mill Mesh ACTUALLY up in Montana???????

[prisma saddle]

didnt used to be

[pseudo kestrel]

it's last location ping puts it in Great Falls Montana

[prisma saddle]

visiting? lol

[pseudo kestrel]

I thought it was a static placement like POTM or AUR

[prisma saddle]

oh dunno

[real cedar]

ROFL no its just a mistake

Typo in the lat long

[pseudo kestrel]

Damn! I was gonna be so happy for the new expansion XD

[real cedar]

ROFL

I would need a Nobel prize winning solution to pass it through that many mountains

Or I'd blow something up really big

Either is a possible outcome

[prisma saddle]

hey. the higher you get the better.. so... lol

top of mt timp..

and so on..

lol

like they do on LOTR.. with the fires on the mountain tops..

i think that was lotr..

smoke signals.. you can do it

[obsidian storm]

I'm printing ASA for the first time today. Let's see how thing goes!

[prisma saddle]

cool id be interested in getting some if its turns out good

print some enclosures.. etc..

[pseudo kestrel]

who is !8487cea8?

[prisma saddle]

bp! bp_roof. who is that?

[pseudo kestrel]

If I'm reading the log right, they tried to send me an encrypted message that I didn't have the keys to?

[prisma saddle]

easy to search by the id here https://mesh.thebadplace.org/packet_list/1736609882?q=

i found.

[pseudo kestrel]

it would be helpful for me to remember that we already have tools for this >_<

[prisma saddle]

lol

[pseudo kestrel]

Thanks mate XD

[prisma saddle]

love looking at the mesh map. seeing who connected to who

see what i cant see etc.

[obsidian storm]

First layer was perfect. I think this will print just great

[prisma saddle]

oh look at that sexy printer.. im jelly

[pseudo kestrel]

Bless AUR

[obsidian storm]

What app is that?

[prisma saddle]

meshsense right?

[pseudo kestrel]

https://github.com/Affirmatech/MeshSense

[prisma saddle]

ya. cool

i like that one. lots of info there to. but lots of UI to it

[prisma saddle]

enjoy https://meshsense.affirmatech.com/

[pseudo kestrel]

I like this solution so I don't have to figure out how to roll my own MQTT server or snatch data from thebadplace and try to ingest my own logs

[prisma saddle]

we not on that one, but cool to see how much there is out there

[prisma saddle]

ill have to bug you sometime on your setup.

wanted to mess with it. yet to do it

[pseudo kestrel]

It's just an appimage that connects to bluetooth or networked nodes

I have no experience at all, I just clicked on it XD

[prisma saddle]

oh nice! something i might be able to d

whats it run on?

[pseudo kestrel]

I think there may be a miscommunication or misunderstanding happening somewhere in our conversation

[prisma saddle]

ya for sure.

[pseudo kestrel]

I'm using MeshSense, instead of trying to roll my own solution

[prisma saddle]

right ok i get it. ill have to google what an appimage is lol

[pseudo kestrel]

Ah!

It's a portable executable for most *Nix distributions

[pseudo kestrel]

https://affirmatech.com/meshsense

[prisma saddle]

right looking at that now

fun thursday project i see

[real cedar]

If your printer isn't enclosed your gonna have a bad day

It warps without good chamber control

If you have an enclosed printer you should be gooch

I have a creativity K1C and its amazing at it.

Its literally point push do

Bambu probably similar..

Ender series.. FAHGETTABOUTIT

😂

[real cedar]

That is cool. Someone will have to let me know how well it works.

[prisma saddle]

nah. i have a modded to the bones ended in an enclosure. its great stuff.

[obsidian storm]

I have a pretty cool enclosure I'm bringing to the hackerspace tomorrow. Going for the stealth node

[obsidian storm]

I want to glue ABS and ASA together for an enclosure that will be outside. What should I use?

Also, I got ahold of @dim bay !

@real cedar help me design the perfect nebra

I'm bringing Lake Mountain back 😁

[leaden crow]

I would try this on some sample pieces first:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Oatey-8-oz-Medium-Black-ABS-Cement-308893/100345366
ASA should be similar enough to solvent weld it to ABS

If that doesn't work, epoxy or lexel

[real cedar]

All my ASA is not stealthy 😂 It's a black but it's not a true black. It's a black that has a chameleon neon purple vibrant almost nebulaeic purple sheen with a little cyan mixed in.

It catches your eye for sure. Not only is the black kind of blacker than normal, the sheen is just... everything you would imagine out of those synth-wavey-like colors.

[leaden crow]

I think the killer feature in a Lake Mountain Nebra would be the LTE card with some data plan

[obsidian storm]

Yup

But I also think his shack has Internet

[leaden crow]

I totally forgot, but it's got webcams. It must have internet.

[obsidian storm]

He was Livestreaming to YouTube a few years ago from there

Should we try a 2W node?

[leaden crow]

I would be hesitant, because the first people I heard of trying that, said the module toasted itself easily, even with an antenna attached.

[obsidian storm]

Ah. Not ideal

Especially for a remote node

[leaden crow]

I think it was the guy that made the MeshAdv hat that said that

If you try that ABS cement, just be aware it's going to melt the plastics together. You use too much it could turn into a gooey mess

[real cedar]

I absolutely will and honestly, guys, I am thrilled that we heard back from some of our older members that were putting nodes up there. I'm glad they're giving us permission to go mess with their stuff. I didn't want to be a radio pirate.

[leaden crow]

but it's literally how they adhere your ABS house plumbing together

[real cedar]

I think the Nebra is going to be good. Honestly, minimal modification for now. And see if you can get an LTE card in one of the MPCIE slots if it's a wired properly

He's clearly giving you permission to mess with things, so maybe you could get power instead of having to be battery powered.

[obsidian storm]

What antenna?

[leaden crow]

utahham is actually pretty experienced in that area, he tried multiple antennas on that node, and went with a lower gain one

[obsidian storm]

I'm trying 😁 hopefully I can find @hallow dagger

[leaden crow]

I actually think the Alfa is still almost perfect

[real cedar]

Lake mountain can't see super far

So alfa

[obsidian storm]

I think it has line of sight to AUR

[real cedar]

8.5 dB rokland

I suspect that G-Dane is likely to have the same reason for being MIA as anybody else that you've already contacted.

I'm glad that it was because life happened and someone didn't just drop dead. 🤣

[obsidian storm]

He was testing with a lower wattage radio. Higher W might change it

I'll chat with him, it sounds fun

[leaden crow]

Maybe, we should ask him. I think he said the higher gain caused his node to not reach a bunch of stuff on the west side of Utah valley, including maybe some of his own stuff

If I am remembering right, he had a low gain anteanna on a T-beam and it still had direct traceroutes to Nelson peak when that node was up. So I don't think we need high gain antenna

He definitely had some testing in though, cause when most of LF20 was absolute garbage, my old nodes could still reach Lake Mountain from Holladay

[real cedar]

If we can replace Nelson Peak, then the Alpha antenna is just fine. But there seems to be apprehension in replacing things without permission. So we can't bank on that yet.

Honestly, high gain antennas for highly placed things are only going to help you get the signal thrown farther. You just have to be very careful. There are a lot of characteristics to antennas more than just gain and gain is only part of the story.

[obsidian storm]

Does anyone know @hallow dagger 's real name or any form of contact aside from discord?

any groups he's a part of beyond meshtastic

[leaden crow]

@white field maybe the most likely? You got his node details for your spreadsheet last year, right?

[real cedar]

I've definitely seen him here within 2024, but maybe life happened. They're both contributors, him and Jacob. So maybe Jacob knows his personal contact information.

[leaden crow]

Yeah, or lost interested in meshtastic. I have lost interest in hobbies before and just moved on.

[real cedar]

You know, come to think of it. I remember talking with him about Point of the Mountain before he went inactive. I'm fairly certain he said he would be fine if one of us had to service his node in an emergency. But I realized it's not analogous to permission.

[obsidian storm]

not in public chat. Maybe review DMs?

I have read every single one of his messages twice looking for clues

[leaden crow]

I think he cleaned his post history on here, which is probably a wise thing to do when placing nodes without permission, but it's unfortunate because we obviously can't remember all the details.

[real cedar]

It was in direct messages. Yes, I should have mentioned that.

[real cedar]

You know, I'm going to be honest, I severely doubt that any of you are going to face the consequences of putting those nodes up. It's just not worth it.

You're also not helium mining. For all intents and purposes, you look like a very tiny IoT device that isn't really bothering anything.

[obsidian storm]

This was the best clue I could find:
#1197577977781821541 message

He's in Draper.

I'd need to play geoguessr

[leaden crow]

I agree, but I also wouldn't fault someone for being cautious

[real cedar]

I feel bad for saying this, because it's likely private information, but he lives near the trail to go straight up to point to the mountain, router.

He mentioned that once.

[obsidian storm]

I think he also tried to put something in south mountian (herriman) but I've not see it on the mest router heet: #1197577977781821541 message

[real cedar]

I think he talked about that one failing and him having to recover it. It was a pretty good plan.

For a client node. But honestly, if you get lake mountain up, that's probably going to be a very big help. And then replacing point of the mountain and Nelson Peak. Honestly, I think we should just do it. I don't think that he's going to come in and yell at everybody here. He was a contributor at one point and he cared about the hobby.

😂

[obsidian storm]

That's here:
#1197577977781821541 message

[real cedar]

If he's anything like me, he might come in and be like, what the heck happened to my router?

🤣

And if you told me that you updated the firmware and needed and had to because of the developers, I'd just be like, well that sucks. Thanks for telling me.

Like at most, I'd be salty that I had to walk to find out. 😂😂😂

[leaden crow]

Any hardware I should bring tomorrow?
NanoVNA, battery welder? more BMS, JST cables, etc?

[real cedar]

I would probably bring a battery welder, maybe more BMS and JST cables, just as spares, but I don't think any of us need a VNA. After all, we're not designing our own antenna, and there's not much we can do to modify the existing antennas.

I have an idea about how to find G-Dane.

[leaden crow]

Well if bash wants to test any of his new antennas

[real cedar]

I think we should search all of the active mesh channels in the area.

[leaden crow]

You could bring yours. I think it's nicer than mine.

[real cedar]

And someone should continuously ping on long-fast chat channel. G-Dane 10-2

[leaden crow]

Last times I have brought the VNA. A lot of people wanted to use it, but mostly with their garbage stock rubber duckies

[obsidian storm]

I HAVE A BATTERY WELDER NOW 😄

[real cedar]

I can see if mine is charged and bring it tomorrow.

Here are the frequency slots I recommend you look for g-dane on the Draper area 20 45 37 and our native frequency 51

[obsidian storm]

does someone have one of his old home-nodes in their nodedb?

[real cedar]

I used to

I actually used to last year around November, so it's not like he just disappeared super, super long ago.

[leaden crow]

uhh, let me check. I had old node lists for a long time

[real cedar]

That would be awesome because it would help find them if we're still using the project.

Honestly, bash. You have a lot of nodes. Go put one on channel 20 and look for him.

I've got a sneaking suspicion that maybe he returned to Channel 20.

[obsidian storm]

I already did.

[real cedar]

No luck.

[obsidian storm]

nope

[real cedar]

Try Channel 45.

You might be hard pressed to actually get signal, but try Channel 45.

[obsidian storm]

I think the Hams moved to 59

[real cedar]

Oh, do you think they all moved out to that?

It's kind of funny, it's like we're forking but with frequency slots.

[obsidian storm]

yup

I haven't seen anything there yet

[real cedar]

Oh yeah, that's right. I remember reading that. Never mind. I thought that was new information and they managed an encrypted network on 59.

It's because you won't be able to. You have to be in Ham license mode in order to actually see other nodes to my knowledge when you're running in an unencrypted mode.

I think you just need to enter all the information and you should be able to start broadcasting. I think it needs a call sign.

[obsidian storm]

I have that.

and tried it out for a while.

[real cedar]

Okay, well, I'm not sure why you're not seeing anything. My guess is they're broadcasting above one watt.

I'll go ahead and try to see for myself. There is a ham radio tower next to AUR. My guess is I will be able to see it.

[leaden crow]

I have this, but I don't see his nodes on it
#1197577977781821541 message

[real cedar]

I'm putting jovialis on the search @obsidian storm.. Its overlooking the valley from my balcony and its got a 10 dBi antenna and a filter

If there's a signal out there. I'll see it

[obsidian storm]

I searched another way and just sent them a message.

[real cedar]

Lmfao their FCC stuff is a good way

I mean after all. You have to be able to contact a station operator

Or you can do it on the ham bands

But I don't have an icom and a mast rn

Ahh fuck

Crap

My nodes going to sleep with no packets

I lost bt

Fml

Alright it's back. Imma search the other modes. Short-fast short turbo

Some custom modes in between

[white field]

What filters are yall using and what hardware?

I maybe just detonated two $30 filters

Before and after installing one on my Station G2. (“Pass” is gone after)

Shit I guess the station can do 30dbi output and I’m pretty certain that fried them since they are rated for 24 dbi

Anyone need 2x 53 dbi attenuators?

Very confirmed they definitely toast very instantaneously

[real cedar]

LMFAO

YEAH you cooked them bro

The Station G2 has a bias T

These explicitly state on their website they are not to be used with that

I'm sorry

I had no idea you were using it on that I should have warned you

[real cedar]

Yes they blow up beyond 24 dBm

They are made for raks

And below

NGL you also reflected hella power back into your xmitter but it seems to have taken it fine

So cavity filters are a shielded container with various vertical stubs and a microstrip pattern inside.. They also might have an additional dielectric filter inside

If you feed them more power you just overheat and cook the copper strip

Haha

You can see for youself now that it's broken. Remove the shield 😉

[real cedar]

That hurts. Do you need one for stansbury

We are doing a nebra build party at the space

[white field]

I’m pretty certain my rak might have fried my last one

[real cedar]

Its transmitter cannot physically transmit enough power

[white field]

Oh phew

I think it survived

[real cedar]

The rak4631 has a conducted maximum of 22 dBm

You could not possibly cook it with a rak

A lightning strike will though 😭

[white field]

Experiment complete

[real cedar]

After absolutely mercing 3 filters

That station G2 is a unit lol

Oh my god there's more nodes than my nodedb can handle

Dagron wasn't kidding

[prisma saddle]

ha ha is this on 59 ?

[prisma saddle]

oh no that was 20, i saw your messages all the way down here. its kinda working but still a mess

[real cedar]

That was on 20

[real cedar]

Sadly

No Gdane

I'm realizing I probably shouldn't talk about those trolls I saw on 20 mesh on discord haha. They were pretty funny though

20 seems to be a mix of 2.6.4 in HAM mode

And 20 in normal mode

But yeah no gdane

[real cedar]

Well anyways I tried

Some of those node names are beyond hilarious

Dude our mesh is so awesome. I switch back to 51 after a nodedb reset and literally almost 40 nodes show up at once

[prisma saddle]

ya. 🙂 and the length of the names too. one was like 20 chars long.

new one as of last night or this morn i think

which node is gdane doing? nPR?

[leaden crow]

Both POTM and NPR are his nodes.

[leaden crow]

Original:
Successful traces: 27
Failed traces: 21
56% Success
Outbound: -3.89dB mean SNR from 17 recorded values
Inbound: -10.71dB mean SNR from 24 recorded values

Second run:
Successful traces: 29
Failed traces: 19
60% Success
Outbound: -2.15dB mean SNR from 27 recorded values
Inbound: -6.55dB mean SNR from 29 recorded values

Looks like measurable SNR improvement with the filter.

[prisma saddle]

Ah ok cool So if i work a little better om placement. i think things can be even better. thanks for doing that! have some ideas.. like bathroom vents that are on the roof since they are not heated i have one that is almost at the top of the roof. might.. clamp it to that lol

[leaden crow]

Definitely. On my friend's node; when we got the antenna above the roofline, it made a huge difference. The last time I ran this test. I get 100% success from Holladay > Daybreak

[real cedar]

So.. What your looking for is GDANE ECHO2 and GDANE ECHO. Those are his mesh devices

@leaden crow what do you need me to bring to the space tonight for building stuff

[prisma saddle]

did anyone try 59 yet? guess we dont even know if he is a ham.

or i dont..

[leaden crow]

idk, bring your Nebra, but can't think of anything specific.

[real cedar]

Yes I did try. When I popped on I said hey. Not a ham. Under 1 watt. Looking got GDane if anyone's seen him. I'm normally on 51 and they were welcoming cuz I was polite and basically said they have not seen him

[prisma saddle]

ah well thats cool of them ha ha

https://tenor.com/view/clint-eastwood-cry-gif-9028304357990603905

not like

[real cedar]

I mean HAMs have one thing they are sensitive to. Don't be a dick. Follow the FCC rules

[prisma saddle]

been googling trying to find him. nothing yet

[real cedar]

ROFL I doubt he keeps the same names across accounts

I dont

[prisma saddle]

Dang there are a lot of people in that UT mesh group on FB.

[leaden crow]

Huh, I wouldn't have thought that many boomers were into meshtastic.

[real cedar]

There's a lot of isolated networks

20 has some

17 had a couple. 29 has some.. 37

Kinda wonder why they don't pop in here

[prisma saddle]

ya dunno. dont think there is much awareness of this yet.

ive been on there a few times, answered a few questions. and popped a message about a discord group trying to improve the state mesh.. will see ha ha

[leaden crow]

Probably just a lot of people who don't use Discord.

Also, we had a big influx around Spring last year because we sent some messages on LF20 to join this discord group.

[prisma saddle]

agreed. ya

[real cedar]

They generally have to agree not to run any routers without permission if they want to help. Kinda don't want to deal with a broken network and unfortunately some people are adamant that their wimpy roof node should be a router 🤣

When there's something on a 10k foot peak

New firmware has made a warning but I can see on 20 that it's still ignored

[prisma saddle]

hey thats how i was when i joined. but didnt know better. ha ha

[real cedar]

Hahah I know but that was in the days before the warning

You got more than an excuse haha

Now that there is a warning.. Less so lol. I feel bad for zdv.. He's got a router up on Farmington and bountiful

And there's 4 routers in layton

Bro hiked all the way up there only to find it get ruined. I hope it gets sorted. I would love two functional frequencies.

[leaden crow]

I think they have the opportunity with 3.0 to fix a lot of problems (breaking features). It would be nice to see the roles completely renamed. People want a router, just change the name of client to "router" give current router and router-late different names and make them configurable only via CLI or something.

[real cedar]

You know we need to communicate that to the devs.

[prisma saddle]

just flat out name it mountain top or something i dunno lol

[leaden crow]

I have mentioned basically this same thing before to them.

[real cedar]

Make client called router
Make client mute a client
Make RL Infra_Aux
Make R Infra_Prime
🤣

[leaden crow]

I think it's on their radar

[real cedar]

I hope so

[leaden crow]

Assuming they don't have totally different plans

[real cedar]

Well my big thing is I don't want to see breaking changes after 3.0 breaks stuff

The Python way of coding

I'd love to see stability

I don't want to hike to all these places I'm planning again

I will actually fork the firmware

[leaden crow]

I agree, except that current firmware is still "Beta." I think it's to be expected.

You will most likely have to do that hike again at some point anyway. Batteries, wind, waterproofing. I don't think we've solved the bulletproof maintenance free node yet.

[real cedar]

You know if you've reached 3.0. You really shouldn't be beta. Make a long term support release.. Then make normal releases

[real cedar]

I have gotten to a design now that I think will work

It requires lexel and a sealed case

[leaden crow]

Not going to argue with that. I probably would have personally done the versioning differently

[real cedar]

Its okay I don't criticize it much. Its quite the task they took on.. I'm just thinking. Its a great time for a pause and a reevaluation of the plan forward

Nothing wrong with that

If 3.0 is a breaking change. Make it the first STABLE release would be my chief recommendation

[prisma saddle]

HEy guys, go look at the sun (with sun glasses)

mega halo around it

pretty cool

[leaden crow]

Old:
Successful traces: 44
Failed traces: 4
91% Success
Outbound: -9.10dB mean SNR from 44 recorded values
Inbound: 1.00dB mean SNR from 35 recorded values

New:
Successful traces: 38
Failed traces: 2
95% Success
Outbound: -8.03dB mean SNR from 38 recorded values
Inbound: -7.50dB mean SNR from 12 recorded values

[prisma saddle]

wow very nice results.

i’m jelly.

[leaden crow]

So the weird part is the inbound going down. I looked at the log and what actually happened, instead of hopping through your Nebra, it's direct to my house.

Route traced towards destination:
!eba4d26b --> !523eb6da (-8.0dB)
Route traced back to us:
!523eb6da --> !eba4d26b (-14.75dB)

[obsidian storm]

https://a.co/d/iXVHpPw

[obsidian storm]

The XIAO is on sale for $10 flat.
https://www.seeedstudio.com/XIAO-nRF52840-Wio-SX1262-Kit-for-Meshtastic-p-6400.html

$5 off coupon: WELCOME5

@vital hemlock I heard you know about good cheap antennas?

[real cedar]

Bought 10

[real cedar]

Muzi works or gizont

https://muzi.works/products/whip-antenna-17cm

Because of tariffs muzi works is cheapest

Its on the meshtastic wiki

[leaden crow]

Disappointing. the last time I bought those they were $5 on Ali.
I bought enough of the XAIO kits for the remaining Ziisor antennas I have. Guess I'm not giving more of those away.

I think these are just Ziisor
https://www.seeedstudio.com/External-Antenna-915MHZ-2-6dBi-SMA-L195mm-p-5047.html

[vital hemlock]

It is, and it’s the better of the two ziisors

These, or the aliexpress gizonts

[obsidian storm]

Thanks!

[pseudo kestrel]

I'm having nodes show up multiple times a day again :/

I've seen b33f 4x today

(as a "new" node)

[real cedar]

Admittedly I'm not cheap on antennas

I demand peak performance

😂

[real cedar]

We fucked up and client muted rufios roof

[pseudo kestrel]

xD so my node isn't going nuts again?

[real cedar]

Got LOS to NPR coming down city creek after a late night on bobsled

I'm gonna make bat house nodes

The antenna is gonna be concealed

@leaden crow can Alfas be turned upside down

Or are they mono poles

[leaden crow]

Alfa are sleeve dipoles

[real cedar]

Cool

Its going upside down with level coating

The lobes will point downwards at the edges but oh well

Imma spend some time wood working to make it beautiful

I enjoy thay

Will slope and taper the thick backing

Thinning out and rounding the edges. I'll paint it the darkest black I can economically get 😂

Haha I have my soundcore boom 2 plus Max coming down city creek with this on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPX3L44TdS4

Forgot its 2 am 🤣

[umbral ice]

Quick question for my neighbors to the south! When you’re getting your mountain side repeaters up, do you all have property or other towers? Are you piggy backing on businesses that have stuff? Are you just stashing them places with a label on them?

[obsidian storm]

How far south?

Or are you from Idaho?

[umbral ice]

I’m in Southern Idaho. Planning on putting something in our South Hills and then up on mt Harrison sometime this summer.

[obsidian storm]

You get all kinds of people who do all kinds of setups.

Some people just throw them up bare without permission and hope they don't disappear

Some people meet with the local ham radio groups and get nodes places on or near their towers with permission

[umbral ice]

Yeah that’s my plan for Harrison and we’ve got one on a butte here like that. But the location in the south hills has nothing. Wasn’t sure about just dropping one up there without permission or if it’s best practice to get a BLM lease or something

[obsidian storm]

I'm working on more stealth nodes. (Will share a picture soon when I get the antenna on and painted)

But it would be something similar to this

It's always best practice to get permission

I know many people who don't and just expect their property to disappear at some point

I'm not condoning putting property on BLM land without permission but as a thought experiment...

I would think that inn most real-world cases it's treated as abandoned or unauthorized property. A ranger or BLM staff may remove the device and possibly try to contact you if there’s identifying info. If it's discreet, low impact, and not interfering with wildlife, it's often ignored... but that’s not a guarantee.

I mean, look how many people put up trail cams all over the place and they're never bothered

And those are usually down low and easy to see

[umbral ice]

Makes sense. How do your guys’ nodes fair up high in the winter months? Potentially freezing over and the like. Thinking forward about the mt Harrison node. I’ve got permission from the ham club to put something up there but I’d welcome advice on a build that doesn’t go inert in the middle of winter.

From my planned spot on Harrison, there is a bit of line of sight that makes its way down toward Ogden

[obsidian storm]

Overspec your batteries, get nicer batteries, and overspec your solar panel.

These are pretty good for cold nodes

https://www.18650batterystore.com/products/molicel-p42a

And they're on sale right now

So if you put three or four of those with a RAK and. 6w panel, you'll probably do just great

With three or four of those you could probably lose half of them and still go two weeks without sun

[umbral ice]

I’ve got an extra Station G2 that I was considering putting up there rather than a rak. But that might not be the best idea given the harsh conditions and power requirements

[solar oak]

I'm down in Springville. I should be on channel 20 yeah? And then 51 is mostly north of the point?

[real cedar]

I will be getting promontory point up soon

But hey.. where in southern idaho

Im thinking about doing cache peak soon

wonder if we have similar interests

[umbral ice]

Twin Falls area. Somehow I’ve fallen into the role of leading the Meshtastic charge out here LOL.

I have had this thought for a while that it would be cool to try to get solid link from here into SLC and Eastern Idaho. I don’t know that it’s really feasible due to hop limitations, but it might be a neat thing to try

[real cedar]

So we are on Frequency Slot 51 not 20

[obsidian storm]

There's not much in Springville

I couldn't talk to anyone when I was there last week

[real cedar]

suggest the peak. Im trying to extend it to Boise and mountain home twin falls and sun valley

[obsidian storm]

BUT when we get promontory points and lake mountain that will all change

[solar oak]

Huh. I recall seeing KLM I think on the mountain west of utah lake and a bunch of other nodes in provo. I think I must have been on channel 20.

[real cedar]

Yeah we dont do the default channel because its impossible to work with still

too many routers

If we want to connect Idaho and utah we would need to share a frequency

[umbral ice]

That’s a fair point. I’ve been fighting that off here. Everyone thinks they need one on top of their house. I’ve had some success at least convincing them to use router late

[real cedar]

Client

router late consumes hops

its ALWAYS rebroadcasts in the contention window

we are getting ready to put up detailed documentation as to why

[umbral ice]

I'll hammer it again at our next meeting. Also push for Frequency slot 51 and I'd love to grab that from you

[real cedar]

Yeah for sure. So we have LongFast on 51 currently. We have a plan to move to Short Fast as its very doable in our environments

but thats after we place all our 51 routers and have them remote admined properly

then we will switch slowly but yeah for sure man. I will keep you informed

whats your proposed route to utah

I was thinking cache

near albion

Im also planning bennet.. haha

[umbral ice]

I've got access to a tower site at just north of the harrison lookout 42.326114, -113.656113

[real cedar]

let me take a look. that sounds great

[solar oak]

I'm going camping this weekend at White Rock, about 70 miles west of american fork. Maybe I'll try 51 but looks pretty empty out there, so I'm guessing I won't see anybody on any channel

[real cedar]

hell ya man

we should be able to make that hop here soon when I get an antenna up in the promontory mountains

[prisma saddle]

you actually might hit us there. through one of the solor nodes

[real cedar]

can connect beennet

GO for it @umbral ice on LF51

oh hell yes sun valley too where our other homes at

OMG

[prisma saddle]

@solar oak we have one right above eureka . .

hmm

maybe not. what you think @real cedar look like too many peaks inbetween white rock

[real cedar]

Saddle Mountain and then mount jefferson @umbral ice can connect you up to yellowstone. this could all be awesome. keep us updated haha!

[real cedar]

give me geo coords

[prisma saddle]

he said he was going to be in white rock. 40.33471983183346, -112.90622055566263

[real cedar]

@solar oak too many mountains for now unless boulter peak can see you

yeah sorry bud

not for now.. @prisma saddle needs to get deseret up first

[prisma saddle]

ya after looking at the map was like eh.. nvm 😦 my bad. lol

[real cedar]

1 Watt.. filtered.. 5 dB Alfa.. birdhouse at the top?

would be ideal for this spot

lets get to work on it. Ill make a custom design

for the case

Forget the rpi

Im gonna donate a node to you.. the femto fox

it pains me a bit but I want deseret up haha

[prisma saddle]

ight, ha ha ya. i get it. need to snatch more of those up when they are avail.

[real cedar]

Nah you know what

forget one watt

Ive got a idea

Fiberglass pole

Huge 10 dBi omni in the pole

Birdhouse stores the node

mount the house to the pole and antenna inside of it

filter it with a gpio labs filter

Discrete bird house node

You game?

do you have rak4631s?

[prisma saddle]

ya 19007

[real cedar]

Oh hell yes

lets do that

Ill get to work wood working

[prisma saddle]

have 2 that just sit and i tinker with

[real cedar]

what would you like to name your router?

[prisma saddle]

ha ha was thinking something logical based on where its at. but def not as fun as what you name yours.

[real cedar]

Well go ahead and configure the node.. we can get it all ready to be remote admined..

Ill get the bird house together

can you find a fiber glass pole that has some width to it or schedule 80 pvc that we can paint to protect from UV. Sch80 is a ton cheaper but we have to protect it from UV.. fiberglass is more expensive but it will often outlast metal

I can bring 10 lbs of concrete and 3 quarts of water

im headed to ensign peak to do some work on it one last time... ill be on mobile.. but hmu when you find the pole or have suggested poles @prisma saddle

We will paint it brown and stencil deseret bat house NFS on it

ROFL

In fact we can write on the back, Federally Protected. Bat House Monitored haha

[real cedar]

https://maps.app.goo.gl/uot3mmwSugWZW3nB9
This is what we are working with

ill bring a drill auger

compact

[prisma saddle]

lol

[real cedar]

whats your availability for the hike btw.. its definitely going to be an early morning start

[prisma saddle]

weekends are best for me. sat the 14 prob. or second week of july. mid june is crazy with camps and stuff.

[real cedar]

Let's plan on sat 14. Build the node. I'll handle the house.. Solar.. And batteries

Can you get an Alfa antenna

Filter

Pole?

[ember torrent]

Can you explain to me why Ensign’s node had a 2 hop limit?

[prisma saddle]

ok, so rak/afla/filter/pole length?

we want any sensors on it?

[real cedar]

The routers don't set the node limit and it's got 7. I just verified so I'm not sure where that information came from?

Your original node does

They merely rebroadcast

[real cedar]

Getting you a length in a second. Looking up snow pack

@prisma saddle
5-8 ft pole

[ember torrent]

Weird.
Got the number here yesterday:
http://slcmesh.rem-labs.dev/public-dashboards/2ac9038d55c84f57a2dd44603168af58

[obsidian storm]

How do I get access to this dashboard?

[ember torrent]

Pinned.
This Mesh Map is killer. Same user and password.
https://mesh.thebadplace.org/nodegraph/LongFast

[real cedar]

Your reading it wrong

If you look at its telemetry

It originates with 7 hops

Which means it has a 7 hop limit programmed into the firmware

[umbral ice]

@real cedar Do you guys have a router hardware recommendations more than just the nodes themselves? Most of ours are Raks, Station G2s with the occasional T-Beam. No one has put up anything with things like filters with any real success

[real cedar]

@prisma saddle gonna stain and water proof it and let it bake off the smell

[prisma saddle]

ok awesome

antenna on order. actually grabbed 2 and 2 more raks.

for science.

all here tomorrow

[real cedar]

@obsidian storm @leaden crow know all that stuff down to a spreadsheet rn.

Your best filtered options rn I think are the xiao node + gpio labs 915 MHz ism cavity filter or a rak 4631 with that filter and an 8.5 dB omni since your on a tower. Otherwise an Alfa or gizont

[prisma saddle]

as far as the pole.. what " size we want?

diameter.

[real cedar]

@umbral ice for your tower ask them about the nebra and its hat and look for the waterproof acasom 915 MHz filter online

Power that via PoE

Slap a 8.5 dBi Rollands and you'll be just under 36 dB EIRP 1 watt conducted

Which is the limit haha

[umbral ice]

I'm all for it 😄

[real cedar]

https://acasom.com/products/915mhz-5-types-cavity-filter-for-helium-network-filter-waterproof-lora-indoor-use-high-out-band-rejection?variant=46125490307364

[ember torrent]

Said 2 yesterday, 7 today. Says one of my now unused nodes is 1. 🤷🏼

[obsidian storm]

Here's some pictures of the stealth node I've been building

I need to see how the battery / solar will work when it's actually in a tree

[prisma saddle]

looks cool

[prisma saddle]

Id def be interested to know how well the panel works too. i have some ideas/places id like to do the same thing but the power may be an issue.

[obsidian storm]

It works great in the sun 😎, but the shade of a tree is a different story

[prisma saddle]

ya thats what i am wondering.

[obsidian storm]

Maybe I pick barren tree

[prisma saddle]

how would you attach?

[obsidian storm]

Tree bolts

[ember torrent]

https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/78497175

[obsidian storm]

If I'm installing a remote node today, what firmware should I put on it?

[real cedar]

That's a software problem. I just checked it's config is permanently in managed mode and set to 7. Haha so try to debug log that and see if we have a bug report we need to make

I'm actually coming off of ensign peak right now after fixing the solar panel

[obsidian storm]

What does everyone use as a ladder to get up higher?

When hiking?

[real cedar]

4 step foldable step ladder

Ultra Lightweight and telescoping

[obsidian storm]

I have never heard of anything like that

[real cedar]

Nice view

[real cedar]

Google compact ladders for hiking and trail maintenance

They are just a pole with foldable steps that fold out. We used them all the time back at Boise State on the ridges to rivers trail systems

[umbral ice]

If I didn’t have a telephone pole going up in my back yard I’d jump at that.

[ember torrent]

No worries.
@obsidian storm the “…rem.labs…” website may be buggy at times. Either that or I can’t scroll rows to save my life.

[ember torrent]

But is it a ~50 foot pole?

[real cedar]

I'd love to figure out why that's why I provided the screenshot haha

[ember torrent]

Wish i would’ve screen shot it yesterday. Confused me so i compared it to your other routers at the time.

[prisma saddle]

all worked out?

interesting wonder who is pulling these over

[vital hemlock]

That would be our coworker. His node is intermittently connected to our mqtt and it can see only a few other nodes. I can boot him if it becomes an issue. 👍

[real cedar]

Yes

[real cedar]

Nah I welcome it haha

AUR didn't see a spike in traffic. I was up there pulling logs today

[vital hemlock]

Those are on channel 20, but it shouldn’t spam us with all the ch20 nodes

[real cedar]

It physically cannot

I don't think MQTT is a relay for different frequencies

Only the same

And even then it can only be the originating node on the same channel that creates the packets

Plus I'm pretty sure Mqtt is 1 hop max.. I remember someone saying that

[vital hemlock]

That’s for their official mqtt and modern firmware. Haha

He’s on old old firmware and “my” mqtt

We used to use mqtt to pass between MF and LF

https://tenor.com/view/guy-long-hair-mustache-magic-shia-labeouf-gif-17741293

[real cedar]

Ahhhh

Well good experiment to run. I know I can see his stuff when I switch Aurora Jov to 20

[prisma saddle]

@real cedar potm speaks!

[real cedar]

It was bash

He went up there and thankfully gdane left a phone number

What a champ

I just didn't spoil the surprise ahead of time haha

[prisma saddle]

hahaha i was all excited. so when we going up to npr lol. @real cedar

[real cedar]

I am going up to NPR probably this week. But I'm making the trip by myself. The reports say snow is still in thick berms near the top and the road is not clear

Much like thurston

So I will pack in its replacement node soon and my snow shoes in case I have to cross that.

[prisma saddle]

cool. excited there is a plan.

[real cedar]

If people want to climb all the way up there and deal with all that with me. Your welcome to but I dont want people to think it's gonna be a walk in the park

@white field with point of the mountain fixed. I've begun work on the most compact 1 watt filtered node of all time.. And will be replacing that soon. When do you want to try short fast after that?

[prisma saddle]

that’s cool there was contact info.

[real cedar]

I have a OUTDOOR 915 MHz Acasom I'm willing to donate to NPR... I realize I can let a desert node not have a filter. Haha

It just means the last of my acasom gets consumed and that one alone is 120 dollars so this better fix NPR or I'm gonna move it 🤣

(I'd probably move it to lowe or get firm permission for farnsworth.)

And add olympus and boom

[prisma saddle]

lol. will the gpio work for desert? i have those already.

[real cedar]

If your using a RAK yes

[prisma saddle]

right i know of those ones. you asked if had a rak. so deciding the fem or a rak? not had a fem so don’t know much about them.

[real cedar]

Well the thing is for a bird house or bat house disguise we are going to have to use a rak

There's just not enough room or solar for that femto or a pi

So rak for sure

[prisma saddle]

sounds good

[real cedar]

I'm working on the modified birdhouse design or at least the top

I want to modify it to house 4x batteries

I'll change the angle of the roof slightly and have the batteries actually mount to the roof

And then I'll raise the stand offs of the rak

Just in the horribly unlikely event water does get in

Everything's on stilts or strapped to the ceiling ahha

But yeah thing I need you to find is a good non metal pole

To hide this high gain antenna. We gotta be slick about it haha

So inside a non metallic mounting pole. You get the vision sort of?

[real cedar]

So.. @prisma saddle pinks or name brand? You get them free either way but it's your choice if you want true LG cells or Pink cells 90% as good for deseret unless you already have all the batteries you need

For the pink cells What you get:
5200 mah molicels rebranded
Certified and tested to 90% spec
Internal resistance testing to make sure they won't be an issue for the foreseeable 7 years
No punctures or visual defects except for prior spot welds but I did my best to polish that off
Charged to full capacity and prebalanced before they exchange hands

I'll give you a lightning arrestor too. We can drive a grounding rod directly under the non metally part.. Put a ground wire on it. Save it from a lightning strike on the rare moment that happens at the peak

If anything if we have to be slightly off peak. We will bias the desert side. After all its entire purpose is that side and providing an opportunity to ping the tushars, swasey, great basin, goshutes, raft river, newfoundland, cache and promontory.. Its actually insane just how much it will see particularly at the peak. It might obsolete NPR LOL

Or rather provide a redundant link in case someone hunts down either

[obsidian storm]

Yup! I am super out of shape so that was an experience

I still need to go back and install a gpio filter but I think I'll take a different route next time

[real cedar]

Everyone starts mountaineering somewhere. Now come learn to free climb 🤣

[prisma saddle]

what you think? those mug it be better than the green ones i have. good in winter?

[prisma saddle]

sounds like a fun trip. totally had me fooled lol.

i was all excited that it was him. how did you know loc?

or was it on your sheet?

[obsidian storm]

You can see the pole on maps!