US CA Bay Area

[timid turret]

It gets put up there. I’ll strap it onto the solar panels.

Also freed up an Ethernet drop while up there

[toxic kindle]

I still don’t really understand what it is. Is it like a ham radio repeater where it repeats on different frequencies with two radios hooked up?

[timid turret]

I'm going to design it to support up to 16 radios

Assuming each radio supports 150 nodes on long fast comfortably (300 max), I will also need to write intelligent router firmware to keep one network from saturating another network.

so ... maybe low end max of 2400 nodes, high end max of 4800 nodes

[blazing pine]

@sharp mantle firmware updates, neighborinfo module

plus mqtt uplink to msh/US/bayarea if you can

[simple hedge]

How do you plan on splitting them between the 16 radios? by hashing (%16) on the source or destination node and only if it matches you'd repeat it?

[timid turret]

It'll be automagical

[simple hedge]

I like "We believe in rough consensus and running code." more than magic 🙂

[blazing pine]

real world is full of secrets and NDAs

[simple hedge]

that's also true

[timid turret]

More like... it's a tribal secret in my head and we have not yet gone on the vision quest.

[simple hedge]

Good luck with it! It sounds like a great project!

[timid turret]

the real work will be on the router software. it'll be something similiar to linux ipchains but more configurable.

[toxic kindle]

How would you explain it to someone who knows nothing of linux ipchains?

[timid turret]

It'll be automagical

[blazing pine]

what a lengthy range test 👀

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine What info should I store in the logger?

[blazing pine]

everything you can

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine Did you get the big solar wizblock box?

[blazing pine]

i did

stuffing 5x18650's in

[toxic kindle]

Document how you did it as I want to build a couple with 2 18650s

[blazing pine]

there's nothing much to document. just mount rak board backwards with 2 screws instead of 4...

and cram everything in however it fits

my usb breakouts got misdelivered today 🫠

they may be lost forever

[barren socket]

Jfyi -
Based on our recent load tests, a single 3000mah 18650 should last about 2 weeks with a 19007 & 4631 Wisblock boards. Stationary node.

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine Send a message in meshtastic now - testing the discord bot

[blazing pine]

dun dun done

[toxic kindle]

Something occured

It did not send the message though

@blazing pine Retry

[blazing pine]

done

[blazing pine]

tada! maintenance dongle

i went for a reset toggle instead of button so it can be "shut down" if needed

[warped charm]

I had the idea of installing a repeater on top of mt Tam but I see there is one already and I can ping it from my place, with no love of sight, is this person here ?

[finite pilot]

Saw a message from them on the default channel about an hour ago

[blazing pine]

do you see Raven, BlueFog1, and MissScarlet? 👀

nvm there be mountains in between

[remote vale]

Fancy. I went low tech and just pulled power for shutdown 🙂

[keen falcon]

Those are mine. I am looking into putting something in the hills in the area.

[keen falcon]

I saw that mode on Mt Tam for the first time today. I only saw it once and not since.

[simple hedge]

Did you order it from China? How slow was delivery?

[blazing pine]

ordered 20th, shipped 4th, received 20th (today)

very China, much slow

[simple hedge]

This is an easy to understand diagram. IPchains was replaced some time ago by IPtables, but the concepts are similar. You can apply filters to accept/deny/modify packets as they come or go from your host/router. They're used to apply firewall filters to protect a host from unwanted visitors, but also to configure NAT.

[blazing pine]

but ipchains be stateless!

(whatever that means)

[simple hedge]

there was the conntrack kernel module which made it stateful 🙂

[blazing pine]

sounds suspiciously familiar.

[simple hedge]

Is this the one you got? https://store.rakwireless.com/products/unify-enclosure-ip65-100x75x38-solar

I guess this other one: https://store.rakwireless.com/products/unify-enclosure-ip67-150x100x45mm-with-pre-mounted-m8-5-pin-and-rp-sma-antenna-ip-rated-connectors?m=5&h=unify-enclosure-modular-iot&variant=42861623771334

Do you think the solar panel is decent to offset the WisBlock usage?

[simple hedge]

I tried to get the seriallog with the mestastic CLI and it doesn't work. How are you dumping all the output from the node into the rPi?

[blazing pine]

definitely

[blazing pine]

did you --noproto

or just connect directly at 115200 baud

it's a live log, so you have to do your own database stuff

[simple hedge]

I also tried --noproto, but it just exits after 1-2 seconds

I wonder if I should enable something else in the node's configuration

I connected to the serial port using cu , but I'd rather have something that logs it continuously

[blazing pine]

try cat

stty -F $dev 115200 nl igncr ignbrk

[barren socket]

Nice fusing them... Somebody knows how to do it right. 😁

[simple hedge]

I would never have run cat on the serial port dev :)))

I learned something new today! Thanks!

[blazing pine]

you be welcome. don't forget to tee

[simple hedge]

I run tmux on the rPi, so I can also just use another terminal to tail on the file

[lost cape]

!1d029c23

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine If you are awake do you want to help me test the logger again?

I got the bug fixed (I think) last night

[blazing pine]

hmm?

I was up all night breaking and unbreaking my nodes. sleep at 6am

[toxic kindle]

Its running right now so you can try

[blazing pine]

did it work

[toxic kindle]

Its saying it couldnt find field rssi

[blazing pine]

what is "it"

and why don't you know exactly what the problem is

[toxic kindle]

The code

Got it up and running

Removed the rsssi and snr

@blazing pine

[blazing pine]

sent

now what's wrong?

[toxic kindle]

For some reason the mqtt client I was using didnt like how long you took

[blazing pine]

learn2keepalive?

[toxic kindle]

Set it to 50 minutes

[blazing pine]

[toxic kindle]

Worked

@blazing pine

First message was wieird

[blazing pine]

wut be router ping

[toxic kindle]

It was a text mesage

[blazing pine]

👀

I didn't receive it

[toxic kindle]

Did you get this?

[blazing pine]

no. I sent it

[toxic kindle]

I did a quick update so I wanna see how the messages look now

But after this the hard part of actually logging node info and telemetry

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine THIS IS SO COOL!!!

{
"node-list": [
{
"longname": "BigRak",
"rssi": -31,
"snr": 6.25,
"decimalID": 1319064907,
"shortname": "Burr",
"hardware": 9,
"hexID": "!4e9f554b",
"timestamp": 1711056784
},
{
"longname": "Join Meshtastic Discord!",
"decimalID": -149010460,
"shortname": "JMD",
"hardware": 4,
"hexID": "!f71e47e4",
"timestamp": 1711056784
},
{
"longname": "\u0000\u0000\u0000",
"rssi": -42,
"snr": 7.25,
"decimalID": -516605930,
"shortname": "\u0000\u0000\u0000",
"hardware": 9,
"hexID": "!e1353816",
"timestamp": 1711056785
},
{
"longname": "Solarak",
"rssi": -38,
"snr": 6.25,
"decimalID": 1042059157,
"shortname": "SR",
"hardware": 9,
"hexID": "!3e1c8f95",
"timestamp": 1711056786
},
{
"longname": "Meshtastic 8048",
"rssi": -38,
"snr": 6.25,
"decimalID": 1978761288,
"shortname": "8048",
"hardware": 16,
"hexID": "!75f18048",
"timestamp": 1711056796
},
{
"longname": "Make A Mesh",
"rssi": -38,
"snr": 7.25,
"decimalID": -93469880,
"shortname": "MAM",
"hardware": 12,
"hexID": "!fa6dc348",
"timestamp": 1711056807
},
{
"longname": "Oakland Hills Router",
"rssi": -38,
"snr": 6.5,
"decimalID": 1978761292,
"shortname": "OHR",
"hardware": 16,
"hexID": "!75f1804c",
"timestamp": 1711056809
}
]
}

I got the logger working

[blazing pine]

it's probably in brownout mode

[remote vale]

As @blazing pine points out, it doesn't really shut down, rather it locks up in that undervoltage state. I had to pull the battery before it would turn back on with power attached.

[blazing pine]

does reset button work?

[remote vale]

Could have. I don't remember trying that first. 🤔

[blazing pine]

because if it doesn't, I will have derp'd, lol

muh reset switch is supposed to be lifeline for brownouts and fw updates

[remote vale]

It's a known issue with the nRF52 chips, from what I read.

[blazing pine]

indeed

[remote vale]

Pretty sure you're fine since your battery is remote, and likely plugging into the USB?

[blazing pine]

#1197026438805725264 message

[remote vale]

nevermind

😅

[blazing pine]

is the config fine? didn't derp itself?

[simple hedge]

How does it look when that happens? Green and red LEDs are on with no blinking?

[blazing pine]

set up admin channel next time

[simple hedge]

I found my Wisblock with both LEDs on (no blinking) when I came home from work. It was plugged into the Raspberry Pi (from where it was also drawing power). Not sure what was the problem, but there were no console logs coming in since last night. Rebooted the PI, which cycled the board and it now works.

[blazing pine]

pi power not very clean power 👀

[slim vector]

Any Sac Valley / Foot Hills folks in here, we started another group. Our mesh is starting to solidify. Maybe one day we'll link up with you Bay Area folk. One of you needs to stash a node on Mt. Diablo. https://discord.com/channels/867578229534359593/1218658644703445173

[keen falcon]

You may already know this, but ideally you want to use batteries that are of the same age and voltage when you combine them.

[rapid jungle]

Hello

[toxic kindle]

hello

[rapid jungle]

Is there a kinda formal wiki / page for Meshtastic nodes that are pretty permanent and in semi ideal placements (outdoors etc) in the Bay Area?

It would be great to know where gaps are in the mesh, I can’t hear any packet in the east bay that are from the South Bay

[blazing pine]

https://meshmap.net

still many nodes not listed (because unheard by my node)

[rapid jungle]

Yeah I mean more of a curated list that nodes that are kinda a backbone of a robust mesh (even though the mesh shouldn’t be centralized sure)

[blazing pine]

that depends on node owners actively listing their stuff... not likely to happen widely

you have to look at the mqtt map and make your own judgement on which nodes are in important locations. neighborinfo is very handy in this case

[rapid jungle]

Some of them could self organize a bit?

[blazing pine]

is your node on that map?

[toxic kindle]

Theres this map
https://canvis.app/z2k8a8

[rapid jungle]

Yeah this is what I was thinking

[rapid jungle]

Yep

[blazing pine]

pretty outdated, don't you agree?

[toxic kindle]

Lets update it

[rapid jungle]

Yeah i think less flashy and rich

[blazing pine]

I think mqtt is best. no stale nodes.

[rapid jungle]

Just a simple doc of nodes and some contact if possible, and a description of how it is powered and antenna placement.

[blazing pine]

plus in the future we may have node elevation listed too

[rapid jungle]

Use MQTT to give it a green light bulb next to the node in that doc if it is online

[blazing pine]

excellent idea

[toxic kindle]

SoCal I think has a giant google sheet of nodes like that

We could make something like that

[rapid jungle]

But keep it down to one’s that are maintained and robust enough to be semi counted on

[blazing pine]

you can integrate Google sheets with the mqtt

[blazing pine]

nobody knows how long their own node will stay up for

even i don't know about mine

I spent lots of money, put it 30 feet into the air, and yet I can still lose interest and let it derp itself

[rapid jungle]

We can get a quality report i guess, “uptime” send a ping for the node to respond to?

[blazing pine]

it's all on mqtt

someone just needs to parse and analyze

biggest problem with mqtt now is old firmwares on the default topics wreaking havoc

[toxic kindle]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lJvJtsdEs1NFQWVp7DTV_GovaXlc7xl74rO5EJX19cM/edit?usp=sharing

San Diego

[blazing pine]

that's basically mqtt info 👀

[rapid jungle]

That’s a good start, i feel like using the MQTT data to augment it and show offline nodes, etc would be great

[toxic kindle]

Also @rapid jungle join this server as I am making a discord logger bot in the bay area server
https://discord.gg/ZEuyKEra

[toxic kindle]

We can include emails discord names and ham callsings

So better coordination

[blazing pine]

better to have a system based on mqtt but lets you add more info

I had actually been thinking about something like this. a map where you can "claim" your nodes

[toxic kindle]

I can make an easy mqtt scraper and then just upload all that to a sheet and then populate that with human generated info

[blazing pine]

there's already a nodelist too on both them mqtt maps

[toxic kindle]

Yeah

Using that

[blazing pine]

you and yer jabba jsons 👀

[toxic kindle]

Jabba the hut?

[blazing pine]

java the bean

[toxic kindle]

I added telemetry gathering to the bot

[blazing pine]

grab traceroutes next

and you should probably have it not post DMs

[toxic kindle]

But I love spying

@blazing pine try sending a dm I wanna see what the json looks like

[blazing pine]

spy all you want. just don't let others know you're doing it, lol

[blazing pine]

y u no log mqtt for offline testing

[toxic kindle]

Wdym?

[blazing pine]

you should have many DMs logged already... if you did log

[toxic kindle]

Oh

Im not logging messages

Its only logging to discord

[blazing pine]

log the raw data

[toxic kindle]

Only node info and telemetry logged to JSON

[blazing pine]

good for debugging and testing

if you log the mqtt stream you can play it back any time to debug a certain problem or to develop a parser

[toxic kindle]

Using a mqtt client to do that as of now

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine Can you send a dm

Nevermind

[blazing pine]

Meshtastic Ducky 1 (duc1)
!effebad9

nice nodeid, lol

[blazing pine]

@rapid jungle when the San Bruno mountain node goes up, you should have a very nice direct link to it

[rapid jungle]

I can see line of sight to sutro tower

and mount tam

~333 msl

hear directly devices so far down to redwood city

and up to richmond

with LORA in general, getting from here to San Rafael is pretty easy

[blazing pine]

indeed

if you were on castle drive, you could see more of the south

[rapid jungle]

helium packet sent from the rooftop, picked up by 120+ stations, obviously scammers with bad locations on their stations in that map though (i doubt there is 4 on mount diablo)

pretty much don't trust all the ones in the sam ramon area

but the ones in the bay part i've ping along drives too, and the one up in north bay is up there for sure

[blazing pine]

what does your Meshtastic map look like? 👀

[blazing pine]

ooooh~ same as mine, I see. just looks a lot better

[rapid jungle]

basically the same

it would be nifty to have a filter option on the map to see only "directly" heard nodes

[blazing pine]

"neighbor nodes"

[toxic kindle]

Why is the east bay so much better than the South Bay for meshtatsic?

I’m jealous of all the nodes on the map

[blazing pine]

because it's mostly water in between nodes

[rapid jungle]

I think it is also because there are nodes along the hills in SF that pickup EB nodes

and vice versa, nodes on a bit of an incline

I've got a potential site for a node thats in the east foothills of SJ

that could pickup all the valley there

[blazing pine]

@sharp mantle has planted a few nice secret agents

[blazing pine]

I just spotted one of my nodes 👀

[rapid jungle]

Interesting the neighbor paths differ between https://meshmap.net/ and https://meshtastic.liamcottle.net/

[blazing pine]

yeah, much curious

[earnest bane]

I open sourced my map, so you’ll be able to see the code for how they get processed and shown on the map

https://github.com/liamcottle/meshtastic-map

[blazing pine]

j... ja..... jabbascripts!

[earnest bane]

😄 it do the thing

[blazing pine]

it can do.

[rapid jungle]

nice, i spend my days doing JS or typescript mostly

[earnest bane]

it's very fast for throwing together projects when you have things like express js

[toxic kindle]

Great work

@earnest bane thanks for stopping by the Bay, lol

[rapid jungle]

meshmap is by someone else here?

[blazing pine]

I've only seen him on reddit

UnlicensedHam

oh wait you already knew that 😆

[toxic kindle]

Is the FCC after him?

[rapid jungle]

probably just the FDA 🐖

[rapid jungle]

just straight html/js not react or another framework?

[blazing pine]

I prefer writing things from scratch 👀

[rapid jungle]

scratch is fun, but for readability and working with larger teams i've preferred frameworks

[blazing pine]

you don't want to work with me then

good thing I'm retired, yeh?

[rapid jungle]

i interviewed someone who believed his biggest selling point was he wrote his own jquery like library that was better, from scratch, he pulled up charts during the interview showing his lib having better performance at X or Y

*jquery-ui not jquery

opens up https://jqueryui.com/

....last stable release 20 months ago.... i wouldn't have guessed anyone touched that code in almost a decade 😬

[blazing pine]

do you know of node-ipc?

[rapid jungle]

haven't used it, why?

[blazing pine]

malware, sabotage

[earnest bane]

it started as vanilla js/html as the codebase was copied from my IRLP map https://irlp.liamcottle.net but the Meshtastic map has some VueJS to it, as it makes dynamically updating the ui far easier

[rapid jungle]

i'm going to make a 3rd (or whatever +1 is) mesh map (just out of boredom and to relax at the end of the week)

i'll prob just do my hacknight POC with supabase for the DB and react deployed to a static cdn, got to figure the smallest way to populate the db though 😬

[blazing pine]

i want to make one too \o/

and host it myself. let people marvel at the slowness of a pi4 under load

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine should I include a map interface in the discord bot?

[rapid jungle]

do it in ascii art?

[blazing pine]

focus on the basics first. implement neighborinfo 😆

[toxic kindle]

I could prolly do it really easily but it would require using an API key for a paid map api

[blazing pine]

y u no osm

[rapid jungle]

what for?

[toxic kindle]

Do they have a static map image API?

[blazing pine]

tiles.

[earnest bane]

headless chrome screenshot LOL

I love a crazy solution 😄

[toxic kindle]

ASCII art map of the Bay Area with nodes

Don’t nerd emoji me!

lol

[blazing pine]

we're all Meshtastic nurds

I have 3 more rak kits coming

... as if 14 nodes weren't enough

[toxic kindle]

I’m jealous

[blazing pine]

I don't even know where to put this one

[toxic kindle]

All my purchases have to go through “the authority”

[toxic kindle]

What’s that weird connector on the end?

[blazing pine]

I call it the maintenance dongle

[toxic kindle]

I was thinking about doing some discrete camo repeaters in the hills

[blazing pine]

usb-c and reset toggle

[blazing pine]

I see a Meshtrashtic 8044 👀

[rapid jungle]

https://www.tindie.com/products/tleracorp/gnat-loragnss-asset-tracker/

Meshtastic dog collar would be fun

[blazing pine]

@eternal saffron

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine did you send the amongus signal?

[rapid jungle]

https://meshtrocious.skippyishappy.com/ that's what i ended up with before knocked out (just using a static nodes.json that i saved from @earnest bane 's app 😬 )

[blazing pine]

much neighbor 😆

[rapid jungle]

if I get more time this weekend i'll give it some more love

[blazing pine]

is that from just now?

[rapid jungle]

i combine the neighbors it hears and reports, with the one's that said they heard it

[blazing pine]

I updated JMD to 2.3.x just like 15-20 minutes ago

[rapid jungle]

na, while back, i refreshed the json before i deployed it though

the Node ID in the neighbors list are clickable to take you to that node if it is in the list of nodes we have

[earnest bane]

If you append the node_id to the api for nodes you can fetch a specific nodes live data from my api

/api/v1/nodes/:nodeId

Added last night. Could be useful

[rapid jungle]

CORS blocks direct requests to your API from other sites though 😬

[blazing pine]

no xss4u

[remote vale]

Maybe you should talk to a professional about that problem? 😆

[blazing pine]

I see 🥓

[blazing pine]

@rapid jungle MAM

meshed up indeed

it fixed itself on next redraw though. fascinating

[toxic kindle]

Dont mesh with me 😡

[timid turret]

We have been accepted to exhibit at open sauce. More details to come.

@toxic kindle I'm goign to take off work on both the Thrusday and Friday of the week. Now that we're approved, we should talk about how to execute on this.

[toxic kindle]

LETTS GOOO

I just saw this now

[rapid jungle]

Odd, I haven't connected to the node for days. 🤷‍♂️

[blazing pine]

i heard there's a smol power outage in SF 👀

[toxic kindle]

Meshtastic use case?!

[rapid jungle]

Not great MQTT in South Bay, nobody on the map for 3+ hours

[blazing pine]

someone derp'd it

[blazing pine]

have you a moxon?

my antenna sux

[rapid jungle]

Nope just was in SJ

[whole compass]

ha can see my new node on that screenshot

[remote vale]

Are you Make a Mesh?

[rapid jungle]

Yep

[remote vale]

Must have driven right by you today

[rapid jungle]

In SJ or up in the east bay?

[remote vale]

SJ, node == pink

[blazing pine]

meets

[rapid jungle]

looking through the map....

[remote vale]

No GPS transmitted on that node

[rapid jungle]

Ah

Purple and Pewter related?

[remote vale]

Yes

[blazing pine]

384f4687,Pink,Pink,0,-66,5.75,0xfc,,,,,1710149512,1710171104,,,,,1710149512,1710149512

oh my, what weird channel you use

[rapid jungle]

I still don't get channels yet... I played with mestashtic very long ago, no other nodes, lost interest, and then came back.... and lost interest... ...and now I'm back, and there are nodes 🙂

So maybe time to understand channels finally

[remote vale]

It's fun learning. Especially when there's a @blazing pine lurking out there

[blazing pine]

one day I will crack 'em all! bwahaha

[remote vale]

Nice play on Pokemon

[rapid jungle]

Questions I've not bothered to look for an answer:

• DMs are still public, there is no key exchange so they must be?
• You can only have 1 primary chanel, and telem is on it... but the others those can use other keys, and if you have them, you can RX msgs for both the primary and other channels at the same time?

[blazing pine]

yes

[timid turret]

DMs are private within the mesh you are on.

[blazing pine]

@toxic kindle has already managed to spy into DMs

[rapid jungle]

Private, but not encrypted differently than the msgs to the primary channel?

[timid turret]

Correct.

[rapid jungle]

Must have been spicy

[timid turret]

There's some people who have implemented end to end encryption between two nodes that is separate from the encryption on the network overall.

We had one done on the firmware itself. It was a lot of work but didn't scale very well.

The better approaches are done at the client side.

lots more computation available there.

[rapid jungle]

Seems correct to me

I think perhaps the QR code screen in the app could be a little more clear

[blazing pine]

encryption be easy when you have all of Wikipedia as yer dictionary

[rapid jungle]

I thought at first it was like a "scan this with your phone to DM me on a private channel just us or others who scan this"

[blazing pine]

only if you created a channel first

[rapid jungle]

Yeah that was the confusing part

[toxic kindle]

Good to know I can spy on them, will be using a second channel for my needs now

[rapid jungle]

second private channel:
"ping"
"pong"

[timid turret]

you mean a secondary channel?

Yes, that's the best way for now.

[toxic kindle]

Might be a good idea to make dms more private in Meshtastic 3.0

As noobies assume dms to be private

[timid turret]

We'd need that implemented on the clients. We had a PR to doing it in the firmware once but it was extremely complicated and didn't fit on the firmware's footprint.

[toxic kindle]

Yeah

That’s what I was thinking

The weird thing about encryption in Apple apps is that you need to document it if you release it

[blazing pine]

for "export" reasons, probably

[timid turret]

yes, this

It's totally possible, needs a contributor to make it happen.

[rapid jungle]

a note in the client apps when people open a new DM just indicating it is a direct message, not a private message would be a good route IMO

more than privacy i personally care about the ability to verify a message is from who i think it was from

anti spoofing or whatnot

[blazing pine]

technically it is private... in the sense that other clients don't display it

[blazing pine]

@toxic kindle plz fix formatAgo

[toxic kindle]

?

[blazing pine]

it will sometimes display 0h

because 59 and 2880 and other issues

[toxic kindle]

Give me the link to the file

Imma actually try fixing this

[blazing pine]

https://github.com/meshtastic/Meshtastic-Android/blob/61be6e9985a0609423b62ff77ad7c2bc6684d61b/app/src/main/java/com/geeksville/mesh/util/Extensions.kt#L41

the 2880 can probably stay

[toxic kindle]

2880 minutes is 2 hours

[blazing pine]

are you sure

or did you typo 48

[toxic kindle]

Oh

I mean days

sorry

I just copy and pasted the code into a kotline compiler

Java is better but ill deal with kotlin

@blazing pine Thats strange why they put an upper limit of 1440000

[blazing pine]

cheap form of expiry

and to filter out invalid stuffs

[toxic kindle]

Give me a test value

59 works now

Just needed less than or Equals to

[blazing pine]

y u no 60

[toxic kindle]

1 h

[blazing pine]

<60

[toxic kindle]

Yep

Thats also a solution

Imma use that

but they both work

[blazing pine]

make code look moar consistent

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine Tell me if you find something like this again. I like feeling like I made a difference

[blazing pine]

that bug has been around for a loooooong time

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine Why does it not count 24 hours as a day?

Or does it want to do by hours to be more accurate then

[blazing pine]

yes

[toxic kindle]

I facepalmed when I realized I miss named my commit

No one looks at commit messages right?

[blazing pine]

just delete and start over again

"patched 0-hour exploit"

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine

[blazing pine]

that works too

is that what they call "commitment issues"

[toxic kindle]

Badm tsh

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine sus

[blazing pine]

I use super-l33t rot13

[toxic kindle]

Please explain

[blazing pine]

@remote vale plz explain

[remote vale]

super weak, a.k.a., Cesar cipher. It's a simple offset cipher

[toxic kindle]

Back in my day in middle school we would use Morse code and base 64 to send each other encrypted emails

[blazing pine]

https://images.app.goo.gl/nusGGt1Jr1UedJUH6

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine Im going to try to learn android development

need to put my Java skills to use

And maybe I can make android users lives less miserable (They chose the wrong phone)

[blazing pine]

I can flash all Meshtastic devices with my android phone

I can even flash another android phone

and boot/install Linux on your computer with my phone

[toxic kindle]

But do you have a dynamic island?

[blazing pine]

giggity

[toxic kindle]

I think most of the nodes in the bay area belong to you

Your house is a RF nightmare

[blazing pine]

i have more that I still need to power on and update

[toxic kindle]

MC Hamster has a whole bin of nodes at his house that he never powered on

[blazing pine]

indeed

[toxic kindle]

indeed.com

[remote vale]

A small sample of global warming.......

[blazing pine]

I have enough solar to power all my nodes

I think I might have 20 soon

[toxic kindle]

My t beam supremes heat up a lot

Idk why

Especially when plugged into power

[blazing pine]

supreme heat

probably because wifi

[remote vale]

Also works as a space heater

[toxic kindle]

nope

[simple hedge]

It was nice catching up on the last two days of messages!

[barren socket]

Good summary
Can we figure out who's got mqtt turned on? It's making the nodes list too long.

[blazing pine]

which location again?

[barren socket]

South Bay, cupertino

[blazing pine]

i haven't seen any mqtt activity there for a few days 👀

i think someone enabled just downlink

[barren socket]

Aren't all of these out of our area due to someone having mqtt turned on?

[blazing pine]

indeed. look for nodes within radio range and you'll find the culprit

unforunately it'll be hard to verify who if they don't have uplink on

[barren socket]

Yes maybe just downlink.
With my base antenna those within radio range can be any of 7-10 suspects. 😔

[blazing pine]

bring out the moxon

and a tripod.

and a compass

[barren socket]

No have-y

[blazing pine]

check hops

[barren socket]

How can I use hops to find out?

[blazing pine]

to rule out nearest neighbors

or suspect them

actually i have no clue how mqtt works

do the packets retain their last hops when going back into rfland?

(i assume they do)

[barren socket]

I have no clue either

[toxic kindle]

Going to make a Meshtastic Bay Area Group Rule Book

With dos and don’t

Recommended settings

And hardware recommendations

[toxic kindle]

Yep

And then just everyone who is new to Meshtastic to read it

Or who doesn’t know about it

So we can keep the mesh functioning

Without getting too much traffic

[blazing pine]

mqtt downlink: no touchy. u touch u dai!!1

[toxic kindle]

I want to modify both the Android app and the iOS app with a “Are you sure” prompt when enabling downlink

[blazing pine]

or just disable downlink entirely on default mqtt topic

[simple hedge]

INDEED!!

[simple hedge]

Tae, just check what's the age on these. I suspect they were leaked sometime last week.

[simple hedge]

What we'd really need is a sniffer. And maybe a Wireshark plugin that can decode the Meshtastic packets. We'd then be able to figure out why's injecting these remote notes into the network.

But even if we do, there's not really much one can do to get them to stop it... it's not really against any rules.

[remote vale]

#1197026438805725264 message

Looks like they shut it off finally a week or two ago. Your node list is still polluted with old data. You'd have to purge the node BD and start over to clear it out

[simple hedge]

that was my understanding too

[remote vale]

Problem looks like it was old Meshtastic firmware. It forwarded MQTT data with no headers to filter out

[simple hedge]

It would be really beneficial if we could filter based on version, as that would help block out nodes older than <x> versions back.

https://github.com/rpp0/gr-lora as a way to capture lora frames using an RTL-SDR dongle.

[barren socket]

yeah, some were from days ago but many also from a week plus, so I'll reset the dbase on ALL of my devices. yuk

[blazing pine]

use the apple. delete individual nodies

[barren socket]

only 1 of my devices is on ios, android on others

[blazing pine]

you two-timer!

[barren socket]

lol

[timid turret]

Check out self-promotion. A wireshark plugin has been posted.

https://github.com/tader/meshtastic-logger

[simple hedge]

Have you used it already? Any gotchas I should be aware of?

[timid turret]

I read over the github. It requires patching of the meshtastic firmware code. Looks safe.

[blazing pine]

it's just a fancy protobuf decoder

[timid turret]

I could see it becoming more mature at some point and becoming a native feature to enable on the device

[blazing pine]

like wifi monitor mode

[timid turret]

@chilly needle They're talking about you

[rapid jungle]

I like the idea of thoughtfully linking two meshes together with MQTT if it makes sense, but sending all packets (from MQTT to RF) without filter seems pretty

[timid turret]

I started working on this last night. Up to 16 Meshtastic networks, without MQTT. With filters.

[chilly needle]

Patching the firmware is optional, it allows you to see packets that are otherwise filtered out by the system

[timid turret]

I see it as making sure the analysis is accurate.

[blazing pine]

I received none of those messages

but then again, I just updated my app like 2 minutes ago

[rapid jungle]

I don't think they were sent

[blazing pine]

firmware+app version?

something big broke, methinks

[simple hedge]

Thanks, Thomas!

[simple hedge]

I got it working, albeit not in promiscuous mode 🙂

[spare sedge]

heading with cee4 to santaclara say hi if ya see me

[blazing pine]

hi

[spare sedge]

:-p

[rapid jungle]

Pretty high up there

[blazing pine]

I have plenty of those too.

pretty old "bug"

still happens on newest firmware too

[rapid jungle]

Yikes

I drove around today, coverage still led to not getting packets out most the time 😕

[blazing pine]

I think it happens when gps only has a 2d fix

[rapid jungle]

Spoiled when I'm up this high most my packets get out with no issues

[blazing pine]

time to get an antenna mast for the car

[rapid jungle]

My utopia is a PCB antenna on a device in my pocket getting packets out while I'm indoors or in the car I guess 🫣

[blazing pine]

nano G2 ultra

[blazing pine]

@rapid jungle i see you xD

usually my "i see you" messages are accompanied by close-up photos of my target

i see you

[spare sedge]

Is there a common root topic for the bay? msh/US/bayarea ?

[blazing pine]

i'm the one who started it... there's only 3-4 nodes joined in on that topic. i'm open to switching to something else too

[spare sedge]

Nah no pressure am visiting from sac.

Just trying to understand how the thing works

Are there multiple bay topics?

[blazing pine]

I don't think so. the rest are either on default or sacvalley

[spare sedge]

Default is like msh/US ?

Or msh/

[blazing pine]

msh/US

[blazing pine]

wow talk about a roundabout trip

[remote vale]

Saw you today all the way down in San Jose

[blazing pine]

everyone, i found a bug/problem with neighborinfo. enabling it will make your device miss packets as it freezes the device for over half a second on esp32 devices and over 1 second on nrf52 devices, sometimes multiple times in a short period.

better to turn off neighborinfo on your more important nodes (like routers/repeaters or even everything)

[toxic kindle]

GitHub it

[blazing pine]

i did

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine Should I just make a simple Github markdown file for the documentation?

Im too lazy to mess around with making a website

[blazing pine]

markdown always nice

[blazing pine]

"Bay Area Meshtastic Group"*

as advised by a certain hamster

[toxic kindle]

Changed

For the settings page I think I will need region,role,channels,mqtt,all the intervals like gps and node info,modules

[blazing pine]

indeed

https://hfdxarc.com/meshtastic I like the way the map is integrated here

[toxic kindle]

Imma add some of the advice from andy kirbys video except the node info part

Should node info be 3 hours for mobile and 24 hours for repeater?

[blazing pine]

it can be 1 week and it probably won't make much difference

client_mute needs to be set on all nearby client nodes (within hearing range of your indoor node) or it makes no difference

[toxic kindle]

I need to figure out the proper settings for gps intervals

I assume minimum it should be set is 15 min

Also telemetry intervals

[blazing pine]

gps probably anywhere from 1 to 6 hours?

anyone can request position from a node if they're curious

[toxic kindle]

Mobile nodes should be a bit higher

For the intervals it would be a minimum

[blazing pine]

mobile nodes have smart position

[toxic kindle]

oh

yeah

And how about the smart position settings

[blazing pine]

maybe something like 30-100 meters, 30 seconds if traveling alone, or multiply time by group size.

[simple hedge]

Where is this posted online?

[toxic kindle]

Going to put this on GitHub

It’s not up yet

[simple hedge]

Thanks! Please share a link afterwards. Cheers!

[toxic kindle]

Yep, planning on making this early so we don’t get a traffic issue later on

[simple hedge]

We’ll still have traffic issues, as these best practices cannot be enforced, but they might let the mesh scale way more than with any recommendations.

On a different topic: I’m seeing about 15min/hour of Meshtastic background usage during the night time on my iPhone. That seems like a lot. Anybody’s debugged this already?

My phone is not very close to the node, so maybe it keeps trying to connect via BT and sync state, but I could test this by leaving the phone close to the node one night.

[blazing pine]

it's probably worse on android. lemme check

7 minutes 47 seconds of cpu usage since some time yesterday 👀

[simple hedge]

That’s decent. Mine not so much.

[blazing pine]

if it ain't draining battery too much I wouldn't worry about it

[simple hedge]

I'm noticing a higher battery drain during the day as well. I'll keep an eye on it.

[rapid jungle]

I was here for a bit Alameda County Children's Memorial Flag and Grove Project
https://maps.app.goo.gl/RiCNi9F86fjBQPA69

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine how many seconds do I need to to press the power button to turn the t beam supreme off

[blazing pine]

I... have no clue. 3 seconds?

@earnest bane make mqtt node dots appear above others if possible

[toxic kindle]

I held for 3 seconds and it only tuned the screen off for some reason

It’s still on

Idk how to turn it off

[blazing pine]

hold user button for long time

or turn off from within client app

[blazing pine]

what happened to not being able to turn it on?

[toxic kindle]

One can’t turn on and another can’t turn off

[toxic kindle]

Client app doesn’t have an option to turn it off for some reason in this specific node

[toxic kindle]

There’s in user button

Only boot power and reset

[blazing pine]

which button flips through the screen?

[toxic kindle]

Boot I think

[blazing pine]

then hold that button

[toxic kindle]

It worked

I wanna fully investigate this stuff and put it on docs

Bc no one’s told me anything about buttons

[blazing pine]

it's already in the docs

[toxic kindle]

Hm?

[blazing pine]

for years

oh wait you mean for this specific hardware

[toxic kindle]

Yeah

[blazing pine]

https://meshtastic.org/docs/hardware/devices/tbeam/buttons/

[toxic kindle]

Now I got an issue where I have two nodes next to each other who are actively exchanging telemetry data but when I send a message to the public channel the other node doesn’t get it

[blazing pine]

Lora settings are the same?

hop count?

[toxic kindle]

3 hops

[blazing pine]

also make sure they've got some distance between 'em (across the room or so)

make sure both have region set correctly

what's the firmware version?

[toxic kindle]

Started working after updated to latest firmware

Strange

[blazing pine]

wow that's close

I was thinking wow -9dB on my pocket node! and then I checked the map...

@rapid jungle what's your smart position settings like? 👀

[rapid jungle]

Defaults

[blazing pine]

you could probably bring them defaults down to 30-60 seconds and 50-100 meters

[blazing pine]

that car looks a bit derp'd

[earnest bane]

✅ done! just adjusted the zIndex offset based on online state

[blazing pine]

@earnest bane wait wot

[earnest bane]

lmao, maybe the zindex adjustment wasn't enough at that zoom level

[blazing pine]

oh there's two nodes at that point. I see...

[earnest bane]

yeah, leaflet sets a dynamic zIndex based on the y position on the map

I just added 1000 to it if it's online, and -1000 if it's offline

it annoys me so much that those neighbour lines show up for mqtt nodes lol

afaik, that was fixed in newer firmware eh

[blazing pine]

I forgot to change line length limit settings on this phone

0 neighbors for that now lol

[earnest bane]

heh, yeah that'll help, but I was menaing in general, new firmware ignores mqtt packets for it

[blazing pine]

indeed

[earnest bane]

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/pull/3457

I linked to this in my neighbour line popups

I still have another node to go update, so I'm gonna do that now

[blazing pine]

I'm waiting for 2.3.4

for the neighborinfo "update" to not kill flash storage

[earnest bane]

oh snap...

that doesn't sound fun

[blazing pine]

#alphanauts-testing message pretty long read but possibly entertaining

https://github.com/meshtastic/firmware/pull/3519

[earnest bane]

that's a fun one, interesting read in that other thread

nice to see that merged too!

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine my current theory with the t beam supreme is that I let the battery fully die and when it fully died it no longer wants to charge it

I took the 18650 out and I am charging it in a dedicated 18650 charger and imma see what happens when I put it in

[barren socket]

If your charger displays how many milliamps went back into it, and you know what that cell typically holds (not what it's rated for since those are often over started) it'll give you an indication if it in fact became fully depleted.

[blazing pine]

raw 18650 or protected cell?

[toxic kindle]

Idk

[blazing pine]

looks like molicel

charger a bit sus though

did you check empty battery voltage?

[toxic kindle]

No

1.5 V

Just checked

After charging for a couple min

[blazing pine]

that battery is dead.

I suggest you dump it and take the loss

gain safety.

[remote vale]

https://tenor.com/view/100-gif-26860378

[blazing pine]

@toxic kindle don't risk it. stop charging

@toxic kindle did you died?

[toxic kindle]

The battery exploded

I died in a house fire

I’m charging a different 18650 now to put it in the t beam

[blazing pine]

always check voltage before charging

t-beam chippy was smart enough to not charge ded cell

[toxic kindle]

Electricity is foreign for me

I just learned some concepts for the ham test

And I am actively forgetting it

[blazing pine]

this be mostly chemistry

explosive chemistry.

[blazing pine]

sooo, now we gotta know: was it the t-beam that killed the battery?

[toxic kindle]

Idk

[blazing pine]

because if it was, it means Meshtastic firmware did not program axp chip correctly

[barren socket]

😱

[toxic kindle]

@blazing pine it’s all working now

Both nodes work

My shut off procedure that I found that works is hold power button for 5 seconds to turn screen off and then 5 seconds boot button to turn the node off

@blazing pine you weeb

[blazing pine]

[toxic kindle]

No

@blazing pine you gonna pull up to the next Palo Alto amateur radio club meeting?

[blazing pine]

never

[toxic kindle]

Sad ham

[blazing pine]

0 contacts

[toxic kindle]

World record

[slim vector]

Speaking of word records, there’s way too much earth between these two nodes. Is it a safe assumption that d32c was mobile with a fixed location?

[blazing pine]

that's me

[slim vector]

You got a hot air balloon up?

[blazing pine]

it's a potato node in my basement with a dinky antenna connected via mqtt

how you're seeing it, I have no clue...

[slim vector]

Popped up at 23:59

Hour ago

[blazing pine]

someone near you playing with downlink, most likely

[slim vector]

They must be client hidden.

It’s a Meshtastic ghost town over here.

[blazing pine]

that's the node with downlink on

[slim vector]

Why would only your node pop up?

[blazing pine]

that's the only ancient node I have left, lol

also, looks like he was in Oakland a few hours ago with one of his nodes

caught him on the freeway

@broken saffron I see you. hai! \o/

[broken saffron]

Howdy. Was out for a Sunday drive with my tbeam on.

[blazing pine]

how many hops is it set to?

I received it with 4 hops left 👀

and no nodeinfo

[broken saffron]

3? I think.

[blazing pine]

@_@

[broken saffron]

That’s the default iirc

I can check in the morning to see if I was futzing with it.

[blazing pine]

first heard <t:1711918296:R> and last heard <t:1711945931:R>

[broken saffron]

Yea. That’s about the right times for the tbeam (/ts1) that was out for a drive. My /x1 unit is acting as a router/downlink currently.

Somehow I do see the node in Oakland alameda from my house.

[blazing pine]

you have downlink on lol

#1197026438805725264 message on this node

if you update your firmware you can see many more nodes

[broken saffron]

Yes. But it’s also shown on radio a few times. Somehow.

[blazing pine]

yes because of downlink

[broken saffron]

At least it reports radio contact. I think it lies.

[blazing pine]

your X1 transmits mqtt onto rf

if you update firmware on that to 2.3.x you can see a few more nodes...

[broken saffron]

I’ll look tmw. I updated it a week ago or so. Not sure what it’s on.

[blazing pine]

it's on 2.2.x

and you updated 13 days ago, methinks?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

either 13 or 8. I can't count

[broken saffron]

Wasn't long ago. I don't think 2 weeks. But I had upgraded to the latest beta at the time. Oh well, upgraded units now to 2.3.3.8187fa7 Alpha. For... stability adventures!

[abstract yoke]

Ah is it time to update everything?

[broken saffron]

Apparently, 2.3.2 changes of note relate to MQTT .

[blazing pine]

indeed

[blazing pine]

yes to 2.3.2

or even 2.3.3

and definitely 2.3.4 when it comes out

i'm still running 2.1.15.9c85beb on one node

[broken saffron]

Probably the biggest challenge with with remotely unattended installs is the speed (and importance) of new firmwares. If it can't OTA, it's a huge danger.

[blazing pine]

there is work being done to make ota on esp32 easy.

at the moment it's a mostly send it and pray type of deal like with nrf52

[broken saffron]

lol. Yea. I suppose for the moment the most "remote update safe" option is Linux? Now that is a thing, at least

[blazing pine]

tethered to a node or lora hardware 😛

[broken saffron]

indeed. My rokland order with my first RAK units is 2 days away. Waveshare order with Linux compatible is.... who the shit knows. I'd love to be able to get the RAK units on my roof and setup as a full time router/client with powerful antenna by.... this weekend? Hopefully those will be updateable somehow because I'd love to not need to get up on the roof all that often.

[blazing pine]

my 3 raks are still in china 🫠

but it's okay because i have 3 raks here too

[broken saffron]

#FirstWorldProblems

[blazing pine]

the bigger problem is the wrong item i received in lieu of the 3 rak enclosures that i ordered...

@timid turret i sees you

[broken saffron]

Just re-reading the rest of the conversation last night. I realized your my PH neighbor friend I see on the maps.

[timid turret]

I'm manually charging it now and will get it out onto the patio soon.

[broken saffron]

are you used a tool battery?

[timid turret]

Workbench is a mess right now 😦

[blazing pine]

i have them same silicone clippy cables

set of 5

[toxic kindle]

The garth node

[timid turret]

The tool batteries are being tested for percentage of rated capacity remaining.

[broken saffron]

lol, fair enough

Make sense. Even a 3/4 "dead" tool battery is still plenty for a lot of other users.

[timid turret]

The one on the left is at 81% rated capacity and the one on the right is 79%.

I use these to dry foot and a half leg screws into the ground. About 100 of them in the course of just a couple hours.

https://share.icloud.com/photos/0f1mECI0dVLhC39Gq2MEiqCfA

[blazing pine]

is that like a rocket to shift earth's orbit around the sun?

[broken saffron]

I've seen something like that advertised for tents. Never seen them used for something more real/functional.

[timid turret]

My devices put out so much thrust durng the flame effect that it lifts about 100 of steel about 5" off the ground. 🙂

Being secured is important 🙂

[blazing pine]

apple stuff stupid. i just wasted precious minutes trying to get a closer look at the image

[timid turret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Wc-ahGum0

uses 150lb of propane per hr

[broken saffron]

that........... is a lota propane

[timid turret]

drop in the bucket. i know people who use more.

[toxic kindle]

That’s why it’s called burning man….

[blazing pine]

those are some spicy j-poles

[timid turret]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91SoEOAg7yg
1000lb per hour

I designed the electronic ignition for that 🙂

[timid turret]

You sees me but you no replies to me?

[toxic kindle]

He is the listener

[broken saffron]

Riddle me this. Router unit is in wifi mode, so meshtastic web is my only option for the moment. Peers list. Can I tell what peers are via Radio and what are MQTT? My /TS1 unit is clearly radio. But as we've previously discussed "HelltecV3WS not L" is over the mountain from me and probably NOT radio, but maybe by some radio magic is?

[blazing pine]

i meant on discord xD

[blazing pine]

HelltecV3WS not L is mqtt, and being barfed out by your X1 node as rf

and from that i can tell you're still on 2.2 or older fw

[broken saffron]

This device is running 2.3.3 alpha as of...... a couple hours ago

[blazing pine]

still have uplink and downlink enabled? 👀

[blazing pine]

last 4 of nodeid?

[timid turret]

5620

[blazing pine]

first heard <t:1712004211:R>

i have a suspicion that these two nodes have the same owner

LOL

okay i see.

@rapid jungle

[broken saffron]

Sorry. Yes. Oh. No

Forgot to turn on primary channel up/down link. Since this one is new to routing. Thanks.

[broken saffron]

Ok ok. I think I understand what happened. Setting up device to be router, change some radio settings (like "Role"), then switch over to modules, configured some module stuff. Hit save. Unit reboots. HOWEVER, it only saved the module configs - not the radio.

Also when this unit reboots. It says it's on 2.2.24. wtf.

[rapid jungle]

Hard to keep track

[broken saffron]

So. The answer is that kids make you stupid. Or more specifically, kids give you the gift sleep deprivation, which makes you stupid. Worked out all the ID: 10-T errors. Now a bunch new peers as you mentioned. Unit reports as a router, onscreen reboot shows the right firmware. Leh sigh.

[blazing pine]

thought so

[broken saffron]

My apologies.

Alright. Now on to my other project. MQTT to Discord bridge.

[blazing pine]

@toxic kindle is already making one, i believe

[toxic kindle]

yep

Ive been slacking a bit

@broken saffron If you want to check it out I can run it rq in the https://discord.gg/fFqTB6yQ

[broken saffron]

woo. I had created a server since IC ouldn't find a bay area one mentioned anywhere. Was gonna invite people after I got my bridge up, but yay, you win. Your logo is better than mine.

[blazing pine]

but yours is actually centered

[toxic kindle]

lol

[timid turret]

Roof node is back up.

I have it mounted onto a 2x4 and pointed at the san francisco bay.

I'll weight it down with a bag of lead shot so it dosn't fly off.

@pure shoal In the wild

[blazing pine]

i think an omni might work better

[timid turret]

I live next to a hill.

[blazing pine]

or aim for foster city

[timid turret]

and am blocked by another hill

More than half my signal from an omni is not usable.

[blazing pine]

McRo?

[timid turret]

McRoof

[blazing pine]

first seen <t:1712010435:R> and last seen <t:1712003771:R>

wait wot

oh first seen only updates on nodeinfo. derp i fail

[timid turret]

Sent Kevin (our Founder) a screen shot of the node list. Reminiscing of the days when it was just the two of us.

[timid turret]

This is why I use moxon.

The hils behind me are dumb

[blazing pine]

aim for foster city xD

M7 nice connection

[timid turret]

That means having to know where foster city is

[timid turret]

it's about that 🙂

close enough

[blazing pine]

i see 👀

[timid turret]

This is what I had up like 4 years ago. I was easily getting San Mateo

[blazing pine]

also, yer moxon a bit too close to the wood

[timid turret]

I need to get up there and adjust it more a some point. Need to add lead shot to weigh it down

It gets so windy here that even if I weight down my hot tub with 3 bricks, wind still flips the lid.

[blazing pine]

y no pole

[timid turret]

There is one on the back of the roof, but I hate climbing up there

Good 'nuff. 🙂

[blazing pine]

both 5620 and McRo are ending up at my logger node with 0 hops left

[simple hedge]

Hi folks! For the rak4631, is it expected to show the charging icon when the battery is charging from solar? I don't see mine changing the icon, but the percentage and the voltage are going up.

[blazing pine]

only if you solar through usb

[simple hedge]

ACK, so this behavior is expected

do you see it charging for more than ~90% using the solar panel?

[rapid jungle]

Is it time to move my nodes to 2.3.x ?

[simple hedge]

I have a 5V buck converted in series to clamp the voltage at 5V, so that might or might not be interfering with some of the charging

[blazing pine]

only when node is powered off... then it overcharges the battery

[simple hedge]

ack. I don't want to power it off, as it will be a P.I.T.A to power it back on!

[blazing pine]

if you solar through usb it will power itself back on the next morning, or at sundown sometimes

[simple hedge]

I guess the way I've put it together now (2x18650) + 5W solar panel should keep it running continuously and have enough energy reserves for many cloudy days

[blazing pine]

no gps, yeh?

[simple hedge]

no GPS

don't need it on a base system

[blazing pine]

i like having one to spread the gift of time

[rapid jungle]

Is the neighbor info flash issue fixed in the latest 2.3.x?

[blazing pine]

2.3.4

[simple hedge]

good point. for log accuracy? or to sync some other things?

[blazing pine]

if a node doesn't have time, it shows up weird on other devices

... wut in the username 1

[simple hedge]

I presume it gets time from the phone when connected?

and more or less keeps it until rebooted?

[simple hedge]

This is not even the recommended Alpha version... yet

[blazing pine]

indeed

[simple hedge]

2.3.4 doesn't yet exist as a release

2.3.3 is the last one

[blazing pine]

i have a feeling 2.3.3 android app about to drop

[blazing pine]

and it did

[toxic kindle]

@simple hedge heard

😄

[simple hedge]

Heard you too!

[toxic kindle]

Will you be at the april 5 meeting?

[rapid jungle]

Lost a node somewhere in my office

[toxic kindle]

Put AirTags on your nodes

lol

[rapid jungle]

This was one of four that are new, hadn't flashed it yet

🤔

One of my nodes is running 2.3.4 now

[simple hedge]

Yes, I’ll be there! You?

[toxic kindle]

Yep, I will be presenting

[rapid jungle]

W7JHC showing up on my node list https://meshtastic.liamcottle.net/?node_id=3929282644

[blazing pine]

@rapid jungle 2 OHR much confusing

[rapid jungle]

I powered the RAK on to configure it to not be OHR but forgot to do that.... it will become a remote node somewhere

I turned MQTT on for the new OHR (router vs RAK)

my 2.3.4 node won't let me set a fixed lat/lon, keeps reverting back to 0 0

[blazing pine]

turn off fixed position and reboot

[rapid jungle]

"Oakaland Hills West" has a yagi

...pointed west

Might see how far south i can get with another node with a yagi

[blazing pine]

I turned off my skyrak to check signal levels. I have become deaf

it'll turn back on at sunrise

[blazing pine]

fascinating traceroute

[rapid jungle]

OHW is inside right now trying to set the position

Position set

it is on firmware-tlora-t3s3-v1-2.3.4.a26cb31

[blazing pine]

right on the bleeding edge, eh?

[rapid jungle]

someone has to find the bugs? 😬

it is back outside (not in an optimal spot, but outside)

[blazing pine]

I can't see it at all now

[rapid jungle]

maybe this yagi sucks

☹️

I was able to hear quite a bit, but TX doesn't seem to be optimal, if i point it back at my other nodes i get the packets 😄

Might need to tune it and shorten the coax it came with

[blazing pine]

solution: mqtt lol

[blazing pine]

lol

2.3.4 here I comeeee

[lost cape]

!ffffffff

!ffffffff

4145956836

202943092

[blazing pine]

Oakland \o/

[toxic kindle]

Yep that’s Oakland

[blazing pine]

if anyone ever breaks my window I will assume they mean to do me harm

[torn void]

Hey y’all flying in to Oakland from LA. Should be taking off shortly.

[toxic kindle]

Get a node on the plane

lol

[blazing pine]

last 4 of node id?

[torn void]

Well today is the lucky day

I do in fact will have one onboard 😂

Sitting next to the window. With the antenna

[toxic kindle]

Can you dm me your flight number or send in chat I wanna track this and see if I can contact

[torn void]

Southwest 700

[blazing pine]

remember to turn on smart position

[torn void]

It’s on 🙂

[blazing pine]

0 hops? 😆

or maybe 1 hop

[torn void]

Node short name is HOU and visiting from houston is long name

[blazing pine]

what's last 4 of nodeid in case we don't get nodeinfo?

[toxic kindle]

This is gonna be fun

Maybe I might make first contact from my house lol

instead of climbing a hill

[blazing pine]

climb hill anyways. make better contact

[torn void]

If WiFi works I’ll be back on the chat too

Is there an LA sub group ?

[toxic kindle]

Yep

[torn void]

Would be nice to let them know too

[toxic kindle]

https://discord.gg/ZF5TGUHb

[torn void]

Can you link me. Hard to find on the phone

Ok going on airplane mode.

Be back soon if I can

[toxic kindle]

You dont have to

[torn void]

I’m back

[torn void]

Is it cause you don’t want to talk to me ?

I have free WiFi since I fly so much

[toxic kindle]

No

Your phone off airplane mode doesnt affect the plane

Looks like your taxiing

[blazing pine]

https://youtu.be/JYAq-7sOzXQ?si=LJ6G05VYF8Bb7CM5

[torn void]

Not following 👀 I get the WiFi on board

[toxic kindle]

lucky

Looks like your plane is enetring the runway

[blazing pine]

stalker

[toxic kindle]

Now you gave me a reason to procrastinate : become Air Trafic Control

[torn void]

Take off roll

[toxic kindle]

Off

[torn void]

Small things that make flying for work joyfil

[toxic kindle]

How many nodes you seeing?

[torn void]

I’m flapping my arms as hard as I can. Trying to get off.

8 at the moment

[toxic kindle]

LA is quite node dense so that number might skyrocket

[torn void]

Got one ack

[blazing pine]

8k feet!

[toxic kindle]

Stalker

@blazing pine Should I alert the others when he gets near the bay?

[blazing pine]

[torn void]

Just put the backpack on the seat. Let’s see if that helps.

[toxic kindle]

The node is in it?

[torn void]

Yah.

Took the laptop out so it doesn’t sheild the antenna.

Node is next to the window now

[toxic kindle]

What side of the plane?

[torn void]

Right side emergency exit.

Want my blood type too ? 😛

Photo proof.

[toxic kindle]

I already know it

And your SSN

/j

[blazing pine]

photo proof of blood type too

[torn void]

TSA took my knife.

[blazing pine]

what happens if you want to open the window shade but pull the wrong handle

[torn void]

3Letter guys show up. They are not nice.