[Asia Server] Discussions

[alpine pecan]

You can

[stable wyvern]

we will answer depend on the question

[inland jacinth]

yeah Itto decks are going low with the winrate

[alpine pecan]

They didn't mention the answer

[primal gale]

If I win all 5 card matches, will I get the monthly card after the end of the tournament right?*

[wary silo]

it's drawn randomly, so you may-or-may-not get it

unless there's less than 150 eligible players, in which case...

[alpine pecan]

Win 5 matches, and have played a total of 10 matches is the condition. But... That is just a chance to get welkin

[plucky roost]

Its a raffle, basically you can have a slim chance of geting it

[alpine pecan]

You need more rng to win the welkin

[wary silo]

at least less RNG than the dice

[stable wyvern]

150 / 687 (asia) + ??? na + ??? eu

[alpine pecan]

911 atleast overall based on latest info

Latest info being screenshot someone sent

[wary silo]

chance is still more than 10% though

[alpine pecan]

Oh, this was the info

[primal gale]

hmm ok, thanks for texting back

[alpine pecan]

It is like doing a wish and getting a 4 star

Tho there is no pity system

[wary silo]

at least you won't have to win 50/50

[stable wyvern]

just pray rng in our side

[alpine pecan]

After getting 2 5 star weapons and both not being alhaitham weapon, I doubt it's on my side

[wary silo]

pray to the machine

pray to the RNGesus

[karmic marsh]

just be a baller

[alpine pecan]

Well, I had fixers saved (primo) so can get it either way

[wary silo]

no like seriously I wonder what roll rituals are for if your fate is decided by a machine elsewhere in the world anyway

[alpine pecan]

It's all math!!! Random numbers aren't completely random

[wary silo]

ummm actually™️ a randomizer is actually as random as the most random source

[alpine pecan]

[wary silo]

so if you feed it some unpredictable noise (like, idk, the volume of a Genshin player beating up their machine after losing 50/50) then it's actually random

[alpine pecan]

So the noise should be random

[wary silo]

yeah should have fixed my wording there

but if one component of input is true random then the entire thing will be true random

[alpine pecan]

But it's still math

[wary silo]

so what

[alpine pecan]

Unless you use hardware based rngs

[karmic marsh]

are we debating over rng?

[alpine pecan]

Half of my argument is valid

[wary silo]

hardware-based RNG is still based on the same principle

like how, say, the input current is truly unpredictable

[alpine pecan]

Just change in noise? Hmm.. makes sense

[alpine pecan]

[wary silo]

there will still be math in place if you want to process the input for the RNG itself

for example, if the input can return you 10000 different states but you need a random number between 1 and 7

[alpine pecan]

1 and 8, for the dice

[wary silo]

nah, if 10000 to 8 then you can just do mod 8 (still math, but not that much)

what about 1 and whatever when you draw your cards

[alpine pecan]

That's a bit complex math!!

And I have no idea

And no way input can be 10000 exactly

So it never is simple mod something

[wary silo]

you can do something like get any 4 very insignificant decimal digits from the result of a sensor

it can be that easy

although I would imagine people using binary more

[alpine pecan]

4 insignificant bytes

[wary silo]

eh, that would be something like 8 minimum, or in this case, most likely 16

anyways I think we might have derailed from the main topic at hand

[alpine pecan]

Yep, totally derailed

[wary silo]

we might need to return to our course and not because I still don't know how TCG works

[alpine pecan]

Just Copy pick some nice decks and you can do it

I made a few decks on my own and they just kinda works

[karmic marsh]

[alpine pecan]

Yae-shenhe-ayaka being one of them

[karmic marsh]

i play the decks i like and can win consistently

find ur niche id say

[alpine pecan]

I just copy decks that have characters I like

Yae-tighnari-collei works

[wary silo]

and here I am having acquired no character cards other than stock

[alpine pecan]

Just farm them

[wary silo]

how

the number of invitations you can use are limited anyway

... right?

[alpine pecan]

They aren't

Once you reach lvl 10, you can invite however many you want

[wary silo]

wait how does that work

[alpine pecan]

There is no cap to invitations you can purchase for 1000 coins after lvl 10

[wary silo]

like where do you get more invitations at that point (or they just all come)

[wary silo]

ahh OK

[alpine pecan]

But still need coins

[wary silo]

so go pro and become broke for not winning any tournaments and then disband like DSG to get all the cards, got it

[alpine pecan]

[stable wyvern]

You can only save up to 10 invitations

[plucky roost]

the char card skin is the problem though

4000 coins is so much

even i can only finish my char card skin collection next week

[celest timber]

lol this guy so mad

[wary silo]

man I can't understand this guy

should this be reported to mods?

[celest timber]

I am fine with it, as long as he doesnt do this to every other person he play against

[trail dragon]

Nice

[gleaming olive]

Because I don't get threaten. Plus... if I'm the one sending screenshot to a similar conversation... the pro won't get kicked out.

Besides... I'm just a nobody and dead to begin with. Why go after one guy like this has happened before but worse?

[stable wyvern]

look you can't be self centered asking other people to spoonfeeding you, everyone here just do simple thing
you lost -> watch replay -> analysis -> better deck / you make mistake -> if better deck try building it -> try using it -> if still losing -> analysis again -> and keep repeating

or just go to gitcg check winner deck and copy it

and blind playing it

that most casual tournament do and hey it work

[trail dragon]

And it can revive its pieces from out of nowhere
And make transdimentional moves

[stable wyvern]

that's how nec become spread it just do little brain work and pray for high roll dice, if it happen you win easily even against veteran player

[trail dragon]

You shouldn't do that
Try to understand other people, don't make some kind of forced demand especially if they're busy and waste their time.
Just confirm the match and may dm them / chat here later

Schedule a rematch later in a few days / even weeks / anytime both of you are free

[velvet widget]

stop with this mindset already. You need to actually listen if you’re looking for help.

[trail dragon]

I agree

[velvet widget]

you asked ‘why do I lose with this deck’, people said your deck is bad, and you just choose to not believe them

[iron sonnet]

There are guides online that you could use

[trail dragon]

That's not how someone ask for help

[velvet widget]

how do you even improve you’re behaving like this

sure building a cope deck is fun, and it’s satisfying if it works

[plucky roost]

[velvet widget]

but to win against good players with good decks you’ll need more than that

anyways that’s just my advice for you, listen more and talk less if you’re asking

[celest timber]

it's not even a cope deck, he's using double pyro keqing

[stable wyvern]

This is ten percent luck, twenty percent skill
Fifteen percent concentrated power of will
Five percent pleasure, fifty percent pain
And a hundred percent reason to remember the name

[alpine pecan]

[lost vault]

Pyro keq is toughest deck

[stable wyvern]

it balanced deck

between survival and high damage

[lost vault]

It's tier 1 imo but it's toughness level is very high if u want it to perform like tier 1

[plucky roost]

With High luck pyro keq is a tough nut to crack

[lost vault]

They should use some easier deck in beginning

[stable wyvern]

and mind game too, is it good to start with keqing or bennet, will it get swirled, one turn kill, overloaded

[lost vault]

Agreege, i was frustrated cuz of that deck that's why I joined them

[plucky roost]

Pyro keq is an easy deck

[stable wyvern]

[lost vault]

[alpine pecan]

I hate keqing

I remember a ton of times she killed me

And yesterday I lost even tho I managed to kill keqing before she burst

Tho managed to bring opponent to last character with 2 hp

[gleaming olive]

Well other's did it to me so ... why not. Should I called out the person who harms me when that person is a bigshot?

I wish to get rid of the mindset. I really do... but with no one playing casual matches and only here for tourney... I dunno who's willing to.

[celest timber]

It's a pretty big tournament, you dont expect people to play casual here

[gleaming olive]

Well when I ask that time, the tourney wasn't there.

[gleaming olive]

Also... I thought you were busy with your matches. You done already?

[lost vault]

U just need to type lf casual in asia ranked in gitcg server

[gleaming olive]

I wish but sorry if my attitude only happens in tourney since there's no way I am going to ask "Can I fight your original deck?" or "Is there a deck you wanna test?" or "Do you have decks that are not meta?"

[velvet widget]

you can't always expect people to play with you

[gleaming olive]

It kicks in my mad learning

[velvet widget]

also Idc what you were saying to rattle

[gleaming olive]

He ask me to choose a character when I ask him to build an original deck

[velvet widget]

but you can't deny the fact that he was dissatisfied with your messages

[gleaming olive]

which sets me off thinking he relies sole only on copying people decks blindly... since I was one of those players before...

[iron sonnet]

I mean in TCG the meta is built from ppl copying other ppl’s decks and optimising it

[gleaming olive]

Remember, I was told that pros experiment decks and different characters even winners

so I thought they at least experiment undercard characters

[iron sonnet]

You can’t just meme for example a Venti dps deck and expect to win

[gleaming olive]

but it seems I was the only one.

[velvet widget]

yes they tried

okay maybe only some of them

[gleaming olive]

actually... I win using shenhe, sucrose and Venti...

3 matches

[velvet widget]

and they all came to the conclusion

[gleaming olive]

only it relies on shenhe and sucrose 😛

[velvet widget]

that cards like beidou and jade chamber are bad

[iron sonnet]

Venti dps deck as in Venti Sucrose and Bennett and Bennett buffing Venti

[gleaming olive]

someone show me that ameno aoe 3 damage is possible

[velvet widget]

and there's nothing they can do about that

[gleaming olive]

at least that deck I got an idea.

but regardless... I didn't use venti/jean.

it was only two characters of Shenhe and Sucrose

I'm a copycat but not a blind one... at least I figure out some stuffs.

But I do have my original deck yet a lot didn't know

[velvet widget]

when someone asks for a deck

I wouldn't suggest them an off meta one

[gleaming olive]

why not?

[velvet widget]

because it's generally harder to compete against meta, and it might be hard to pilot

[gleaming olive]

That's the mentality which I was afraid of.

It is similar to how Yugioh does where people uses OTK,FTK decks.

[celest timber]

I spent 100+ hours playing and optimizing decks last tournament doesnt mean I have the time to do it this time as well

[gleaming olive]

Which I ask you an original deck. I'm sure you know some cards we never see

But you asking me to choose triggers me since it's more like you are a) Relying so much on meta and b) Non meta, don't use | Meta use it and c) It could lead to a misunderstanding where you can win me in any character you use especially if you're the winner before.

Sure it never happens but I've experience it by thinking hard the least.

[iron sonnet]

But in a tournament you can’t expect most ppl to meme decks like me

Maybe if you match against casuals, but not here

[gleaming olive]

Which is why when I ask @celest timber ... it's a casual match. So I don't see what's on the line of a casual match and being ask to help him build an original deck like I'm his teacher -_-

I dunno if he's joking but I am pretty sure if I say that even in casual matches, I would be called out on being lazy.

[iron sonnet]

Na they’re just toxic ppl

Not your problems

But you probably shouldn’t adopt their mentality

[celest timber]

well, I only asked you to pick a character. cuz I don't want to play another deck and you keep saying it's a deck copy from somewhere else

[gleaming olive]

Why? I thought it's common knowledge since as long it's not the usual decks or something it's fine.

Since I am sure you know the terms... 'undercard'

There's some characters who we never seen in a duel at all. Both tourney and casual

[gleaming olive]

Don't tell me there's a possibility there's a workable undercard deck... (E.g: A deck uses Beidou)

An example but it's a deck we didn't see

Me saying on what deck to suggest would lead to a lot of heated debate.

And I was very surprise creating a deck for casual match would create a lot of heat.

[iron sonnet]

Hu Tao overload

[gleaming olive]

Seen it.

Used it.

[iron sonnet]

Like, most decks will work

[gleaming olive]

The idea of thme creating an original deck was due to yesterday's question

[iron sonnet]

But they’re not the ones that win tourneys

[gleaming olive]

"Is there a deck with Hu Tao and Childe"

[iron sonnet]

No matter how skilled you are

Theoretically there is

[gleaming olive]

Yeah... which is why I ask for original deck.

Because if we keep copying,improving metas... it's like we're assuming that we copy people decks is the same as creating an original deck. Bad mentality

[trail dragon]

Is there a problem with that?

[gleaming olive]

At least something it's non meta and accept their losses than a "I lose because you ask me to build that deck" or "I can win you with my main deck". Or something similar.

[gleaming olive]

YES!

[trail dragon]

Anyone can use any decks they want

[celest timber]

there are many tournaments out there with bp. you should try some of those if you really hate to see meta decks

[velvet widget]

sure if you play for fun you can trying building decks

[gleaming olive]

Yeah which is why I wonder if they know some setup or test out than thinking 'this x card is useless"

[velvet widget]

but some of us actually aim for that top prize

[gleaming olive]

If you seen how many toxic players I met... you'll be surprise.

especially other casual players are worse than what I have.

[trail dragon]

You're not the only ones, many players do that, including top players

But in serious tournaments, most people will use their best decks

[gleaming olive]

Yeah... which is why I assume those players would play casual decks

but hearing from @celest timber answer... I guess not since his slot's full of meta decks (No offense if I guess it wrong)

[trail dragon]

There are some people use that decks too, especially shenhe & sucrose combination

[gleaming olive]

Yeah... I actually fought one before @celest timber

The concept the same but the player I fought told me... use Shenhe first but be careful of OL or deck that fast kill the character in one turn.

Which surprisingly... it works with just shenhe and Sucrose

[lost vault]

Why do u want original deck

[gleaming olive]

Casual match.

I face a lot of meta decks until I felt burnout. But I want to see a deck that I never seen

or not meta

like the superconduct deck (Raiden, Mona, Cyno)

Has anyone use this deck other than me?

[lost vault]

That's pretty tough.
Look there are very few combination and decks that non meta character can have that are competitive.this card game is saturated if u want meta deck from x character specially if they aren't versatile enough. Beidou for example has great burst but it's too costly and her skill is just trash, u need to get her burst up quickly without wasting time in skill, for which u will need raiden. U also need someone to drive. There are many drivers childe, ayato, Ayaka, chong. All have been tested and none of them can make deck even tier 2

[gleaming olive]

So again... this is why I wanna see. It's for casual

but also good as an experiment to know what we can improve meta decks or other undercarded decks

"Every deck has a weakness. Non RNG related"

[lost vault]

Yep. There is no invincible deck in 3.7

[trail dragon]

Only players who don't aim for the top play cope decks

[iron sonnet]

BENNETT CARRY

Nvm

[gleaming olive]

So this is why I ask them to make an original deck for casual. But if they ask me which one... it's gives people loads of misunderstanding and flags

Bennett is Meta due to keqing OL

beatable but still meta

[lost vault]

Bennet is meta cuz he is Bennet

[iron sonnet]

Haha

But he is really situational

He good with favonius sword

[lost vault]

Even if keqing perish he will survive

[gleaming olive]

Yeah. I seen some uses a full set bennett before

[lost vault]

[iron sonnet]

[gleaming olive]

but it wasn't keqing

[iron sonnet]

You can Bennett Sucrose Venti and call it a day

[gleaming olive]

And like I said earlier...

[iron sonnet]

Just don’t use Sucrose if you don’t want meta

[gleaming olive]

"Me suggesting the original deck will lead to a heated debate"

[lost vault]

Was that main game refrence

[iron sonnet]

No I just like using Favonius sword in TCG

[gleaming olive]

Sword and the defense helmut

[trail dragon]

Yeah, good in most decks

[gleaming olive]

But yeah... see where I am getting at?

[trail dragon]

Then, just keep playing against random, you may see some decks you want to play against

[gleaming olive]

This is why 'action speaks louder than words' than just speculations or 'maybe' or 'I seen it before"

[iron sonnet]

Tbh there isn’t really an “original” deck at this point

[gleaming olive]

I did but none matches or sync

I need a pro who can create original decks well.

and still win

...which is obviously... hard.

[alpine pecan]

Building decks and using decks are different skills in my opinion

No need to be good at both

[gleaming olive]

Yeah... at least it's fun

And it would be shocker to see a Beidou deck winning without RNG and not being undercarded (Which Beidou's useful)

[winter zephyr]

Maybe consider investing in amber otk stocks

[alpine pecan]

I like using decks and don't like building much

[winter zephyr]

[alpine pecan]

[winter zephyr]

Amber otk goodge i swear

[alpine pecan]

That's the deck you used to enter top 16?

[iron sonnet]

I like Amber burst but idk how to build a deck for her

[alpine pecan]

[winter zephyr]

I played mostly nec

Though nec has like

A low skill floor imo

[celest timber]

and win against casual decks, or top players with top decks

[alpine pecan]

And I still lost 3 times with that

[winter zephyr]

My first game was my firwt tavern match and i got clapped

[alpine pecan]

[winter zephyr]

[alpine pecan]

So my skill is lower than the low floor?

[winter zephyr]

Well

[alpine pecan]

[winter zephyr]

If you get mirrors its up to luck

Also nec is so dice reliant

Its crazy

[alpine pecan]

[iron sonnet]

What’s NEC

[alpine pecan]

Nahida electro charged

[winter zephyr]

Ive only lowrolled like 1/2 games so far? So ive been doing well

[iron sonnet]

Oh

[celest timber]

you know, every meta deck is originally original, but after you play 1 game with that deck and show its strength, people start to copy

[gleaming olive]

Either.

[iron sonnet]

I didn’t like it

[iron sonnet]

Yeah exactly

[dry snow]

Nec abuser 🫵

[winter zephyr]

Yeah its honestly not the best

[gleaming olive]

But Beidou's an example since there are other undercard characters no one use.

[iron sonnet]

Chongyun :(

[alpine pecan]

I like yae quicken more

[iron sonnet]

Venti too :(

I use Venti

[alpine pecan]

[winter zephyr]

Play this deck

Its good

[alpine pecan]

When will xingqiu be useful again

[winter zephyr]

Wait i forgot to put friendship eternal inside

[dry snow]

Sponsered by tc staff

[winter zephyr]

Im not tc staff

They all said it was bad

But its good

Because they are liars

[alpine pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1053715292460679189/1115229304184381510/20230603132205.png

[gleaming olive]

Freeze deck

[alpine pecan]

My original yae deck I made

[gleaming olive]

Ganyu, Chongyun and Xingqiu. It still viable

[winter zephyr]

Tbf theres so many chongyun decks rn

[gleaming olive]

Now that's a deck I never seen before.

[dry snow]

It is, u just need his talant and should know what the gameplan is and ramp and ramp

[iron sonnet]

No offence but you can’t expect that for every player you come across

[celest timber]

@gleaming olive If you ask @winter zephyr, I'd been playing kaeya for a very long time with I think 70% winrate, and I believe noone plays kaeya

[gleaming olive]

True. But it's the reason why I said on creating an original deck.

[gleaming olive]

Err... about that... I play him with diluc...

[winter zephyr]

I got bullied so hard

[gleaming olive]

It's been a long time but it was xingqui, Diluc and kaeya

[alpine pecan]

[gleaming olive]

But thank you... I never seen Razor or even Amber . Not sure how well they do when they're not in pair.

[alpine pecan]

[gleaming olive]

I seen swirl deck bf especially when you start with Benett

and then switch with Sucrose

As long all your characters has two energy slots to use the EB

[alpine pecan]

Does Bennett burst effect the piercing DMG?

[iron sonnet]

I buff Venti actually

[trail dragon]

Xingqiu is useful, I still use xingqiu in one of my decks

[alpine pecan]

From swirl, I mean

[iron sonnet]

Cuz he my best boi

[gleaming olive]

Same here for my freeze deck

[iron sonnet]

Tho I wish his con card was his C1

[gleaming olive]

I learn a lot on swirl deck and do know you can win with two characters.

[alpine pecan]

I see.. nice. Which deck?

[iron sonnet]

Then I could play phys venti

[gleaming olive]

Depend on situation

If you face OL... you might need to use Venti in case you were force swap

[iron sonnet]

Na I just like phys venti

[trail dragon]

Really? I fought against so many chongyun

[gleaming olive]

i mean in certain deck scenario

[alpine pecan]

Let me rephrase: does the Bennett burst increase the swirl piercing DMG?

[iron sonnet]

No

[alpine pecan]

I see

[iron sonnet]

But Sucrose con card and Shenhe burst card do

[gleaming olive]

Err... you might wanna look at my attachment I comment.. I only see Amber, Raiden and Razor. Where did Chongyun comes in?

[iron sonnet]

I also have this deck where I filled it with energy cards so I can burst quickly with Fischl and Keqing

Collei is just an accessory and a nice bonus if I get her con card

Otherwise she’s useless here

[gleaming olive]

Yup. 3 aoe damage with cyro summon as well

[alpine pecan]

Too many talents

[iron sonnet]

What do you suggest I should do lmao

Genuine question

[trail dragon]

I use vaporize deck

[celest timber]

here you go @gleaming olive , every character crowned. some cards may not be as good but they are all playable, at least in casuals.

[alpine pecan]

With hu tao?

[gleaming olive]

Cyro and pyro?

[alpine pecan]

Hydro and pyro

[celest timber]

beidou included

[gleaming olive]

Yeah... this is why it gives me the thinking of you asking me that question as "I can beat you with the character I use". True or not... I leave you to your imagination on that.

Since the only restriction is non meta but at least winnable

or perhaps undercard characters

[iron sonnet]

We have to work on your definition of “non meta”

Cuz it seems like any deck with 2 characters who synergise well is “meta” to you

[alpine pecan]

If using a meta can guarantee you to get higher rank in tournament, who won't use that

[gleaming olive]

Yeah cause I kept seeing decks like the one i mention like OL, Swirl, Geo (Noelle/Zhongli) and NEC (in any kind)

but people ignore one question I ask:

Anyone uses a supeconduct deck other than me (Raiden/Mona/Cyno)?

[alpine pecan]

Superconduct is cryo + electro

[iron sonnet]

I have a Fischl mage deck

[alpine pecan]

I heard chongyun-raiden-shenhe is good

[iron sonnet]

That I used in the drafting battle mode but it only worked there cuz the decks were copium enough it was better by comparison

[trail dragon]

Pyro

[trail dragon]

Yes

[alpine pecan]

I used that team, hu tao with xingqiu

I did 5-0 in arena of copium champions with that

[gleaming olive]

Yeah... Raiden and Cyno. Mona is Hydro

So what's Hydro and Electro then?

[alpine pecan]

Electrocharged

[gleaming olive]

Ah my bad.

Misnaming mistake

oddly no one calls me out on the wrong combustion even when I mention the characters I have until now...

[gleaming olive]

But thank you for correcting me. Cause I wonder why no one here corrects me even if I say the team name.

[alpine pecan]

Maybe they thought you type by mistake and ignore

[gleaming olive]

You were in that conversation. I once brought that up on my electrocharged deck.

But anyway regardless... anyone play this electrocharged deck other than me that consist of Raiden, Mona and Cyno?

[alpine pecan]

Want to have a casual match against my original yae/shenhe/ayaka deck?

[trail dragon]

I have used superconduct deck with fischl, cincin mage, and chongyun

[gleaming olive]

...not now... Currently streaming. Probably in an hour later.

[gleaming olive]

I mean the same deck I am using.

[trail dragon]

Nice

[gleaming olive]

copium?

[gleaming olive]

Now I'm free

[iron sonnet]

Can I play with you too

A match

[gleaming olive]

Sure.

Give me time to boot up the game.

[iron sonnet]

My UID is 835394883

Join my world

[gleaming olive]

Which deck?

[iron sonnet]

Not really meta

Trust

[gleaming olive]

kk

[iron sonnet]

Not a swirl deck not freeze not vape/melt not superconduct/electrocharged

[alpine pecan]

Then geo?

[iron sonnet]

I used to use a similar deck but I’m changing it up

Wait for game to start then we’ll see haha

I don’t want them to counter my deck specifically my

[gleaming olive]

Let me check

I think I have one

[iron sonnet]

What’s your UID

[gleaming olive]

Not in the game yet

[iron sonnet]

Ping me when you’re in the game

I’ll be no lifing abyss

[gleaming olive]

803962267

[iron sonnet]

[gleaming olive]

You never say OL 🙂

I kinda lost my other deck the yomiya fatui one

[iron sonnet]

Oh wait you were asking me what deck you were using

HAHA

Chicken!

Goodbye chicken :(

[alpine pecan]

Chicken Quicken?

[iron sonnet]

Ggs it

[iron sonnet]

Yeah

GODDAMIT

tenacity coming in too late

[gleaming olive]

Phoenix chicken got cooked by Diluc

[iron sonnet]

Chicken died too early

[gleaming olive]

This is why when you made that stipulation of non meta ... the only thing I can think of is diluc

[iron sonnet]

Diluc is pretty good tho imo

[gleaming olive]

If I still have that Yomiya deck it might be a bit different

[iron sonnet]

I thought you were asking me what deck I was using

Not what deck you should use

Lol

Again?

[gleaming olive]

lolz... my bad.

Sure.

[iron sonnet]

Ehe

This why chicken good

To some extent

[gleaming olive]

No cause I keep forgetting the chicken always gains 9 damage

[iron sonnet]

But it can be easily countered

Hehe

[gleaming olive]

Btw... who are you talking to?

[iron sonnet]

Just saying that chicken can be easily countered

A general statement

[gleaming olive]

I know but did I ask?

[iron sonnet]

I was just saying chicken is good but it has drawbacks

[gleaming olive]

Sigh... and this is why I hate being winners

since I ask a simple 'yes or no' question

[iron sonnet]

Not everything is a personal attack

[gleaming olive]

Well... so is this a 'yes' or 'no' to my question?

[iron sonnet]

Not everything has to be an answer to a question

[gleaming olive]

Well... guess I guess the chicken becomes a venti then

Sorry since I got glitch

[iron sonnet]

Na I switched to Venti deck

Do we restart the round or

[gleaming olive]

Not everything has to be an answer to a question

[gleaming olive]

Welp.. guess that works on me. It should work on others. 🙂

[iron sonnet]

I don’t get what you mean by this

[alpine pecan]

I don't get what is happening here

[gleaming olive]

I ask him a question if he's talking to someone worried that he's talking to some ghost around here

but he answered 'Not everything has to be an answer to a question'

so I am thinking if 'Not everything has to be an answer to a question' is a yes or no

[iron sonnet]

I meaaan it sounded like you were being very defensive about sth

[gleaming olive]

So since he says 'yes' to my 'Not everything has to be an answer to a question' when he ask me if he want to restart the round

I go with 'Not everything has to be an answer to a question' as a yes

[iron sonnet]

Great that you’re concerned but

[alpine pecan]

English is confusing...

[gleaming olive]

I know. I just trying to match @iron sonnet 's logic

That's how I coop up with people.

[iron sonnet]

Ah welp

[gleaming olive]

Exactly. Since I don't think you're a guy who loves to troll if I tell that to my parents

[iron sonnet]

???

I’m so confused

[gleaming olive]

Just learning from you

No takebacks

[iron sonnet]

Sorry I should’ve just been more direct with the first thing

[gleaming olive]

No no.. you're right. Cause 'Not everything has to be an answer to a question' means 'yes'

since I ask you that and I thought if I say that... would anyone assume I am the insane one?

I dunno if this is common sense but you'll be judge.

[alpine pecan]

Um.. I don't think its a 'yes'

[iron sonnet]

#englishisconfusing

[alpine pecan]

Maybe the 'anemo archon' got confused and thought its a 'yes' (Or you got confused and thought they meant 'yes')

[iron sonnet]

Just Kristen is fine

[gleaming olive]

So why he reset the match when I answer that?

[iron sonnet]

Cuz you ended your turn

And I was so confused

[alpine pecan]

+1

[gleaming olive]

Yeah and?

[alpine pecan]

English is confusing and they got confused

[spice ravine]

Asia is rigged
: Ohno

[iron sonnet]

I thought sth had come up

[gleaming olive]

Welp.. my main is English but I am not a boomer who calls people saying if their english is their second language.

[gleaming olive]

I got time out

Since i was answering you.

[iron sonnet]

And thought it a bit unfair to just continue the game with you not having done anything

Oh

Ggs

[gleaming olive]

And this is why I hate people to assume me. When they just know me

Don't assume without asking.

But still I take your 'Not everything has to be an answer to a question' is a 'yes' regardless

[iron sonnet]

You didn’t say anything when I asked you whether we restart or not…

[gleaming olive]

since I wonder which Andrew369 ask you to explain the chicken effect.

[alpine pecan]

Don't assume it is a 'yes' without asking

And if you ask me, I will say it is not 'yes'

[gleaming olive]

This is why I ask but @iron sonnet gave me that 'Not everything has to be an answer to a question' answer.

[spice ravine]

[alpine pecan]

[gleaming olive]

Changing decks

[alpine pecan]

Changing the topic, will there be more players the next 2 days because of weekend?

[spice ravine]

Yes

There will be more players coming out of nowhere at the top

[alpine pecan]

Nice

[spice ravine]

Like

Rattlecrusier

[iron sonnet]

Swirl deck vs better swirl deck

[spice ravine]

And me if I get lucky
Ehe

[alpine pecan]

I am at rank 84

[iron sonnet]

Good luck haha

[alpine pecan]

Ending at any rank higher than 55 is a win for me

[spice ravine]

This is I'm already at 4 loses

This earlier

Last time it was my overall

[alpine pecan]

I am at 8 losses

I am getting better tho

During second alpha I was 15-20

[spice ravine]

[alpine pecan]

Hope there will be alhaitham in tcg next version

[gleaming olive]

YES

[iron sonnet]

Ggs

Haha

[gleaming olive]

I knew that swap would kick it.

Well played btw.

[iron sonnet]

I forgot Venti burst had a swap

[gleaming olive]

Yeah... this is why I didn't use venti's EB.

[iron sonnet]

[gleaming olive]

You have to know when to take advantage of the opponent's mindset and field.

[iron sonnet]

Yeah that’s true

I just don’t do that much for TCG

[gleaming olive]

I never say I don't use the phoenix chicken btw

[iron sonnet]

Help my dice

[alpine pecan]

May the anemo archon bless you

[iron sonnet]

He’s in my deck and he’s not blessing me :(

BRUH AHHA

I love surprise chicken bursts

[gleaming olive]

THAT is how you do the chicken

[iron sonnet]

Let’s see if you have energy card

Oop

[gleaming olive]

I don't have the energy

[iron sonnet]

Sadge

[gleaming olive]

Had the last one got it... it might be your win

the last two cards I have are all timmie

[iron sonnet]

You could’ve Yae bursted

Tho idk dice

[gleaming olive]

Yeah... I kinda gamble thinking that she needs the summon to dealt you 3 damage

[iron sonnet]

Do ppl do abyss competitively in this server?

[gleaming olive]

Depends on what kind of abyss you're talking about

[iron sonnet]

Pick ban drafts

[gleaming olive]

Yeah... that might no do good

[iron sonnet]

And then try to do it as fast as possible

Oh

Sad

[gleaming olive]

I assume the pic ban drafts is 'ban one character' or something?

[iron sonnet]

I’m more an abyss no lifer than a TCG no lifer

[gleaming olive]

Just to check

[iron sonnet]

Uh no

Sth like this

[gleaming olive]

This deck is still in test run

[iron sonnet]

Aight

[gleaming olive]

cause I dunno if I should replace with Nahida or just zhongli

[iron sonnet]

Justndont be a Zhongli tank deck

[gleaming olive]

This is just a test geo deck

[iron sonnet]

I have ptsd from the two times I faced against the same Zhongli tank deck

[gleaming olive]

If this fails I will swap with nahida

[iron sonnet]

[gleaming olive]

Like I said. Don't assume me by just one battle

[iron sonnet]

Yeah just making sure

[gleaming olive]

I've been playing since day 1 and testing here and there. Well... mad testing until someone tells me if this works or not

Only when either side ask then you can judge

As promise... give me a moment to change

[iron sonnet]

KK

[gleaming olive]

This combo does not suit well

[iron sonnet]

I have to go after this round

[gleaming olive]

okay. Then I'll use that last deck then

Not sure this deck works yet

[iron sonnet]

[gleaming olive]

well played.

[iron sonnet]

Got lucky with favonius sword

[gleaming olive]

-_-

No... you still win without it

I have one more Element resounace in hand

[iron sonnet]

Yeah

[gleaming olive]

but issue is.... none of them comes out pyro

[iron sonnet]

Aight I’ll leave now Ggs

[gleaming olive]

Cause the only way i could win is if I get like a card that gains energy

[spice ravine]

Anyone wanna be genuine pig

[gleaming olive]

By not attacking back?

[spice ravine]

I mean one can't

ehe

[gleaming olive]

well then... no attacking back sure.

[spice ravine]

For God sake
I m just looking for players

To test some decks

[gleaming olive]

I know... cause I don't mind being your lab rat... just don't expect your own outcome

[dapper junco]

[spice ravine]

Come

[dapper junco]

no

[spice ravine]

I want human samples
Not u

[dapper junco]

[gleaming olive]

Sure.

[spice ravine]

@gleaming olive 860236862

[gleaming olive]

Trying to join but no one's replying

[gleaming olive]

There's no reply

[spice ravine]

Again

Y game restarted

[gleaming olive]

???

What did you do?

[spice ravine]

Alexi Strom ?

[gleaming olive]

🙂

Let's see...your first character will be oceanid

After your summon, you will go to your electro cube

so far so good.

[spice ravine]

U offline?

@gleaming olive

[gleaming olive]

no. I was taking a bath while you use your summons

and then swap to your electro cube

[spice ravine]

[gleaming olive]

I kinda will give it 5/10 for that

[spice ravine]

Ok tell me when ur ready

[gleaming olive]

No...

cause yours is a losing deck..

[spice ravine]

Ok enough enough fooling around

If u wanna play seriously than pls do

[gleaming olive]

I'm serious.

Your deck is 5/10

[spice ravine]

Yours was 0.5/10

Bring something good

[gleaming olive]

why?

I wasn't even going serious

[spice ravine]

Oh man

[gleaming olive]

you want a guinea pig, then here's a guinea pig that doesn't bite back

[spice ravine]

I just wanna test a deck

[gleaming olive]

but if you want... don't say I warn ya

[spice ravine]

Why u had to take it literally

[gleaming olive]

I tested that deck before

[spice ravine]

I don't wanna fool around rn

[gleaming olive]

but I had to swap the cube with Fischl

and second... if you plan on using Cyno... he needs to survive long

[spice ravine]

Ok let's go for real

Don't worry cyno is just afk

He is for moral support

[gleaming olive]

Ah afk when he's dead

Thanks for the setup

[alpine pecan]

[gleaming olive]

@spice ravine Sigh... why you do that?

[alpine pecan]

Wrong damon

[gleaming olive]

Ooops

[alpine pecan]

What did they do?

[gleaming olive]

Me. No I just won

[alpine pecan]

Maybe I will try overload keqing today

[gleaming olive]

Damon made two mistakes

1. 6 dice = 2 liben when you can kill me
2. Learn that element reaction can still kills you since Cyno has cyro effect

if you have swap to oceanid your cyno might have more hp

[spice ravine]

Yeah

I also floated extra die for no reason

Liben already had one die

[gleaming olive]

When you can hit, you have to hit. Don't get greedy

you have 6 dice and you use two libens

and end your turn on 6 dices

[spice ravine]

No

[gleaming olive]

YEs.

[spice ravine]

U don't get it

I can't use cube

Sucrose just

Swaps it

[gleaming olive]

yeah but even a 2 damage physical attack still can consider an attack

[spice ravine]

I want to swap stall and when u are out of dice than only I can use cube

[gleaming olive]

why end at 6 dices with liben

[spice ravine]

Bcz bad dice

[gleaming olive]

so element change

[spice ravine]

One more?

[gleaming olive]

you still can change one die to an attack

nah... I'm done since you need to rethink your strategy

since i can see Cyno survive way better with the right method

[spice ravine]

Ok whatever

[gleaming olive]

The last part is okay but you prioritize my main card that I use as an 'afk' man.

Yes... I am a cyno main and I know how he works

[spice ravine]

Bcz that's what his role is in my deck

To clean off late game

[gleaming olive]

Yeah... but I can last way longer since he needs 4 turns

you can't last 4 turns against a noobish of my swirl deck

it would be worse if I got a perfect hand on OL

[spice ravine]

Well u got lucky

With matchup that's all

[gleaming olive]

By your undoing

I actually had that and guess what's your next move

[spice ravine]

Good for u

[gleaming olive]

but the stupid move you make is going to Cyno who has a cyro effect while Oceanid didn't

which Sucrose hits you with a 3 damage aoe instead of a single 3 damage

Had you change to oceanid instad, your cube will still have that revive ability

[spice ravine]

Well I had to go cyno either ways
Bcz after ocenoid dies I can't switch to cube

[gleaming olive]

actually... when you swap it was when cube was your main...

[spice ravine]

I didn't put much thought ok
I was listening to music

Don't go hard on me

[wary silo]

aight my friend wants to join my world to do some stuff so I'm stuck outside until he's done

how do I build my deck

[gleaming olive]

what you prefer most in terms of elements?

[gleaming olive]

You told me to go serious...

[wary silo]

honestly idk, but I would personally avoid Dendro the same way I avoid it in the real game

[gleaming olive]

What's yor fav character?

[wary silo]

this one is one I couldn't answer, since...

[wary silo]

... this

[alpine pecan]

Who do you want to use in tcg?

You can start by first inviting them

And then thinking which characters you can pair them with

[wary silo]

tbh I do feel like I need a shielder... but at the same time I don't know how Geo actually works

[alpine pecan]

Well, best shielder is undoubtedly zhongli now

[wary silo]

pls tell me Zhongli win rate is not too far from 50%

[spice ravine]

I told u to go serious on the game (since you were bringing cope decks)
Not on lecturing me I don't need your feedback

[alpine pecan]

Zhongli/raiden/ningguang is one of the decks I have hard time winning against

Tho you would need to invite all 3 of them

[alpine pecan]

What characters you have right now? I forgot the starting ones

Fischl, sucrose, kaeya?

[gleaming olive]

Sorry since when I go serious I have to judge on your deck. The first duel was to see if my guesses on your playstyle is the same as I imagine. but you wanna go like how Genos tells Saitama to go serious.

[spice ravine]

Well it was cube ocenoid
So there was nothing to guess

[wary silo]

Fischl, Sucrose, Kaeya, Diluc

[spice ravine]

Obviously I would go cube after ocenoid

[gleaming olive]

Yeah... since i used it before. all three characters

However the issue is the defense of Cyno

He can't make it pass turn 3

[spice ravine]

I actually got to finals in jp with that deck
It's a bit cope
But can work against zhongli decks

[spice ravine]

Yeah

But good against zhongli since they drag the game a bit

[gleaming olive]

Don't compare your deck to the jp players. Two different composer plays two different tune when playing one song.

[spice ravine]

Lol

U are a weird guy ngl

[gleaming olive]

Because I don't simply copy blindly on decks.

At least you get to feel or know how it works or if there's need of improvement.

[spice ravine]

It was my deck
I didn't copy

[gleaming olive]

So why did you say this deck go to japan when I beat you?

[alpine pecan]

I am not that good at thinking of decks , but i can invite you to a server where people can help you. Let me dm you

[gleaming olive]

does that make me one of the top guys. Please... best keep it to yourself or I will say that "I beat a guy who got to the jp finals"

[spice ravine]

Yeah I play bad
But not always

[gleaming olive]

So why say that deck make it to the jp finals?

[spice ravine]

Bcz it did

[dapper junco]

[gleaming olive]

Best you keep your 'achievement' to yourself.

[dapper junco]

can confirm

it is a cope deck

[spice ravine]

I wanna say the deck works sometimes

[gleaming olive]

Otherwise I will say "I beat DAMON, the guy who reaches to the jp finals"

[dapper junco]

[spice ravine]

I actually don't mind

[dapper junco]

hes a cope plyer

[gleaming olive]

what's cope?

[dapper junco]

you

[spice ravine]

Not More than u

[dapper junco]

[dapper junco]

[gleaming olive]

note sure what cope it but I take that as an achievement

[spice ravine]

Nitro abuser smh

Cope means

Unusable

Or simply bad

[gleaming olive]

So meaning you lose to an unusable player like me XD

[spice ravine]

No one said u are a cope player

Why are u so much coping rn

[gleaming olive]

Don't blame me... blame duck since I didn't say 'cope first'

[gleaming olive]

He did.

[dapper junco]

wtf

he

[spice ravine]

She was saying to me cope

Ah man
I can't anymore

[dapper junco]

and yes nomad cope

[gleaming olive]

ah cause I ask him the question 'What's cope' and all the sudden duck says me.

[spice ravine]

Noo

She was referring to me

[gleaming olive]

It's not a stupid question and I believe him.

[dapper junco]

[alpine pecan]

Maybe this is what cope refers to in this context

[gleaming olive]

Yeah cause I was asking duck on that

but duck says 'you'

[alpine pecan]

Idk exactly because I'm not great at english

[gleaming olive]

I know . This is why I ask Duck a simple question. A simple honest question.

Not trolling or anything. Just a question.

[spice ravine]

Don't go into the rabbit hole of finding it's meaning
Just believe what we are saying
Trust

[alpine pecan]

Now I will get going, and return after 2 hours for todays match ups

[alpine pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1060779661572984882.webp?size=48&name=pitawtf&quality=lossless

[spice ravine]

Copium is a fictional drug

[gleaming olive]

Good luck

Btw... the swirl deck is one of the new deck and I am still thinking if I should swap for Xiao for dice abundance

[dapper junco]

[spice ravine]

Swirl decks when they meat zhongli thickness

[alpine pecan]

Duck bullied me with swirl deck today

[spice ravine]

Ah the weeklies

[spice ravine]

Don't be upset
She just got lucky
She a cope player

[alpine pecan]

But ark bullied me with same deck too

[gleaming olive]

Which kind of swirl?

[alpine pecan]

sucrose/mona/jean

[gleaming olive]

Hmm... nice choice

when water and anemo meets what's the effect?

cause I haven't try variations

[alpine pecan]

Swirl

[spice ravine]

Hydro swirl

[alpine pecan]

It's always swirl

[spice ravine]

Same as any type of swirl

[gleaming olive]

I mean like cyro and anemo it does aoe dmg swirl

[alpine pecan]

Just applies whatever element it swirls to other characters

[spice ravine]

Yeah

Same

[alpine pecan]

So cryo swirl applies aoe cryo, hydro swirl applies hydro

[spice ravine]

The benefit being hydro can't be cleansed unlike cryo

Bcz most cleansers are hydro

Except CICIN mage

[gleaming olive]

the cyro mage?

[alpine pecan]

Yeah

She applies cryo to self during... forgot which attack

[spice ravine]

Her burst

[dapper junco]

[alpine pecan]

Clearing hydro with her is the worst thing you can do

Self freeze

[spice ravine]

She is copium char anyways

[tulip egret]

do you really need 5 wins to be eligible for welkins

[stable wyvern]

yes

[tulip egret]

[stable wyvern]

it's not that hard

just use good deck and it will come

i mean there is 30 match you can play right now

[tulip egret]

17 matches 1 win

I cant seem to catch a break 😭

[stable wyvern]

try some of the deck that reccomended for begginer like geocanid

or nec

wait nec maybe require a bit brain

but actually the step is simple nahida 5 cost skill - > oceanid 5 cost skill -> fischl skill

[spice ravine]

Superconduct use to be a good beginner deck

[tulip egret]

aa I see

[stable wyvern]

yeah superconduct also can work

[tulip egret]

Nahida, Cyno and Yae

are they good

[stable wyvern]

no you need reaction a lot if using nahida

so remove cyno with other dendro character

[tulip egret]

ahh ok

[stable wyvern]

there is 2 good option with that combination
nahida yae chicken
nahida yae tighnari

both of it is good quicken deck

[tulip egret]

oo okok

tyty

[wary silo]

should I even queue

pretty sure some pro would be waiting for me on the other side for a free win

[runic surge]

it is ok, dont scare

play for fun only

I being trashed many times already

[wary silo]

now that I think about it, the conditions for the Welkin raffle seem to disincentivize newbies

so like idk if I can queue with someone at my level

[runic surge]

er... what's the condition?

[wary silo]

at least 10 matches and 5 wins

[runic surge]

easy one, you got 30 matches to play

[tulip egret]

im already halfway there and I have 1 win

😔

still trying though asjdsghsd

[runic surge]

lol

[stable wyvern]

btw here is some good montage i have when using this deck

[runic surge]

maybe you can observe who defeated you and try to use the same deck

[tulip egret]

send the cards

I mean if u wanna

ehe

[wary silo]

does the replay function record PvP matches?

[runic surge]

yes

so you have long time to observe and study

[stable wyvern]

i copied yae quickend deck from partner server gitcg

you can check the link in partner server

[slow trout]

hmm is this allowed, the 3rd person will fight me instead on the queue

🤔

[tulip egret]

o oke

[winter zephyr]

[tulip egret]

tyty

[runic surge]

nope, only the one with correct id should fight you

[slow trout]

ok

[tulip egret]

wwait

which server

[wary silo]

makes me think of the case in which two players meet up on another (third) player's world

[stable wyvern]

kekk wow why it didn't get noticed before

[wary silo]

like what would happen in that case

[winter zephyr]

i just

fought that guy like

10 mins ago?

[runic surge]

lol?

[winter zephyr]

well i matched him twice

and won both twice

[runic surge]

it is quite easy to matching same person twice

[slow trout]

[runic surge]

I played match with 3 different person twice, all lost

[winter zephyr]

is the bot dying

[runic surge]

not sure, cuz my chances are finished

we are not able to play more matches when the quota reached right?

or... it is actually allowed, just not record.

[fallen solar]

!

so many players

[obsidian steppe]

There's a brief outage of the queue, if you're queueing now, please try again~ Sussy Paimon is sorry for the inconvenience!

[winter zephyr]

well

that answers my question

[plucky roost]

just play, you can be in top 16th

[fallen solar]

bro i cant play 30 matches in 14 hours

...wait, i totally can.

[winter zephyr]

youve got this

[fallen solar]

except not really cus nobody queues this late into the tourney now except you people

[winter zephyr]

now

if only

my score gets updated

[stable wyvern]

i think the only left to queue is people racing between rank 1~30 and those that still need 5 win

the rest just give up

[winter zephyr]

surely it updates

any second now

[runic surge]

yes if you win the rest of 25 matches

[stable wyvern]

if you are lose 3 match you are out in asian final leaderboard we are really in cruel hell

just increase our slot please pon pon~~

[winter zephyr]

so did my score bug or smth cause its not moving

[runic surge]

what's the score needed to be in final

[alpine pecan]

Time for me to queue

[stable wyvern]

32 win 3 lose i guess that also the case in previous cat tail gathering

i am still curious how did you guys reach only 2 loss you keep avoiding the cringe curse

[alpine pecan]

Skill issue

[runic surge]

This 豆沙包 and 大大大包 sound like they are friendz

[winter zephyr]

ok

what

[alpine pecan]

Sussy paimon is sussy