[Europe Server] Discussions

[tropic acorn]

Hello
this is coming soon or I miss something for s4 cats tail gathering?

"A Blessing of the Welkin Moon (x50) raffle will be held at the end of the tournament. You must have at least 1 EXP and complete the survey to enter this raffle."

[fringe estuary]

all welkin fund has been used up for PC raffle

[maiden harness]

waiting for welkin to buy Nilou skin

[hollow turtle]

kevin plz win

[sterile latch]

kevin plz win

[leaden basalt]

Kevin plz win

[wanton grove]

he did guys

we've made it

[leaden pond]

the honored one

-# hey @marble jacinth should we give him a role that lasts until next season

[wanton grove]

just next season

[leaden pond]

I mean idk if giving him a permanent role is worth it when you can only have 250 roles in a server

not to mention he's not the only regional champion of the 2024 season

we still have Pacific, and possibly the CN champion could be in here already

well to be fair we can give 3 people the same role but then it wouldn't be that special, would it

[marble jacinth]

I haz no power here
But mayb @versed barn doess

[round jetty]

someone wanna practice later?

[hybrid eagle]

shore

[tribal pike]

I don't know where else to ask, how do I turn off the Observe? I checked the settings in-game but didn't find it... 😭

[blazing gull]

I belive it's while you are playing a game, and if it's not there then it's on the settings, in the same place where you can decide if you want other people to join your world freely

[deep sandal]

You dont need to turn it off

Just dont let a 3rd guy into the world

[oak trench]

You can observe without entering world and without consent of observed player.

[deep sandal]

No you cant

Matching mode games can be observed through friendlist

Matching mode means random matchmaking and arena

Teammate invitations are different

They cant be watched without being in the world they take place in

So as long as you dont let a 3rd person in, you're fine

[oak trench]

Yeah you're right.

[tribal pike]

but in the tournament updates they recommend to turn it off...

[round jetty]

what is this parameter

[dire crow]

10 points for a win 1 point for a loss so 50 points = 5 wins, 31 = 3 wins 1 loss and such

[grave loom]

Wut should I do next if my oppernentv didnt answer?

[rough shell]

Preliminary phase started today right?

[marble jacinth]

yuep! Will have to check the schedule tho to see what your scheduled timezone is for matchmaking

[marble jacinth]

are you in the match room rn? feel free to ping your opponent and see if you're able to get a response

[grave loom]

Pls help

My partner caller.me and instantly call the information abaoutm my uncomming

My English is very bad

This is my first championships, in lvl 10 lots ofmonths ago, plshelp

[frosty coral]

I'm guessing he means that his opponent reported the match result straight away without playing it first, any staff around?

[marble jacinth]

if possible, please reach out to us regarding this match via #📨contact-qixing message
It will send you a DM and (I believe) you should be able to select what language you prefer, and we'll try to beat address the problem at hand!

[frosty coral]

Btw what's up with this? Tournament just started and we're already having this issue?

[fringe estuary]

CN and AS invaders r sleeping rn

you can farm them in the morning session

[crystal moon]

or get farmed by them

[fringe estuary]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805662532354048060/1192856149297471488/1096961646053826700.gif

[crystal moon]

🐳 🪞

[fringe estuary]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dusty laurel]

how can I join AAA?

[deep sandal]

[upbeat salmon]

The automobile association of america?

[marble jacinth]

AAA batteries

[eager tendon]

[marble jacinth]

[tough dock]

[plain panther]

That's me, get farmed by strong players

[white geode]

yoo top 16 lets go

[wicked echo]

congrats

[fast lance]

https://tenor.com/view/nobara-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-gif-978553768139691647

[deep sandal]

Noooo

Alright Zenin getting banned

They gonna say that he's secretly the entire top 16 in a server and ban him

No need for proof cuz proof is confidential and cant be shared with us

Thats how it works here

Maybe he wins the 50:50 and only eats a few seasons instead of perma ban

Do mods roll dice for who gets banned for how long? Do they spin the wheel? We'll never know it's confidential information 🦤

[scenic hull]

nah, no dice involved :) - just hard work! a wheel would be fun but not very practical or fair

[deep sandal]

Doesnt look like it at all

Not providing proof or evaluations on decisions smells a lot like dictatorship

"this is my place take it or leave it"

I mean it's right

You can do whatever you wish to do

It's just not necessary to go that path

Because it also makes unrightful bans unfixable

Just like it happened recently

[scenic hull]

the great thing about doing in-depth investigation though, is that incorrect bans are rarely (if ever) handed out! thorough and unbiased inspection is a cornerstone of all qixing punishments :)
seeing isn't believing, and just because the evidence can't be submitted to the whole community doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[deep sandal]

Alright imagine this

Hypothetically

Player A doesnt like Player B

[scenic hull]

dictatorships are also easily recognized by their intolerance of dissent or even polite disagreement
which would mean that if the tavern were a real dictatorship, no one would even be able to voice a different opinion from those the mod team holds

freedom of speech and expression exist here
so the tavern is missing a key characterization of traditional dictatorships

[deep sandal]

Player A goes to a discord alt and signs up to a ctg with Player B's UID so it's used twice now

What are you gonna do? Obliterate Player B?

[scenic hull]

additionally, although you are free to discuss the information of punishments that you were informed of by the players themselves, that doesn't mean the mod team with reverse their decision
hypotheticals posed to an Invokator will also do nothing to aid in this effort

since I forsee the futility of further talking, I won't be responding anymore to this line of discussion
I said what needed to be said - and you, of course, are still free to continue saying what you would like to say 👍
have a nice morning/afternoon/evening

[wanton grove]

one can either blindly trust the team that decided to ban a person, or the person that swears by their name they've done nothing wrong

neither provide a full picture of the situation, so any judgements by ordinary viewers are flawed

[crude crater]

theres no reason to not tell the full truth, hiding evidence what does it achieve

if its a policy its a bad one

atleast the acusser wants to know why he is being accused

u could tell them to be secretive about it

hiding also increases trust issue in the community

[deep sandal]

What did we notice?

Mod backed out after I've asked about this

Which means everybody can frame anybody like this

We're not safe

And yes I agree with Nomad

Why hide evidence

Theres no reason

[wanton grove]

stirring up chaos won't help the case
lack of transparency and communication with participants and between mod teams themselves has caused a few upsets within playerbase
but guys, be mindful

[crude crater]

there should have been 1 acc one server
one tournament life from the start

so much confusion

allowing multi region was wrong from the start

[white geode]

oh shit what top 6 now

everyone playin layla/cryo cube keqing whale these days

[keen epoch]

still no transparency as ever in competitive gitcg i see

me and zcrimlet also have experience getting falsely accused of leaking decks last year during SEA Prince Cup Qualifiers by the TOs. it is definitely something that can happen.
fortunately in this case they realized their mistake afterwards and apologized saying that someone used fabricated evidence.

i hope that the investigation in this case is reviewed again very carefully.

and if the verdict remains the same that he used multiple accounts on the same server i hope there is a good explanation why the severity of the ban is different from the previous cheater, komorebi, or it could be interpreted as bias.

[bitter terrace]

Accusing someone of using 2 account in same server but not telling what the other account is so fair

Please keep doing it

So fair and transparent rule

Truly spin the wheel behaviour

But well yes as said by a genius friend of mine

1. staff is always right
2. if you think staff is wrong, check 1.

[deep sandal]

One is innocent until proven guilty staff feels like banning

[bitter terrace]

We are involving. It's 2024 now

You are guilty if I said you are

No other way around

[mild birch]

i also think transparency is the right thing to do here. in wild card tournament, the TO's decided that i lost a match against my opponent when i actually didn't and it took my opponent to speak up and correct them.

mistakes happen. especially in a digital environment where evidence is easily prone to be misinterpreted. and in genshin they are not uncommon at all. even in notable tcg tournament, a player named migi was falsely accused and banned without explanation nor justification and it took many community members to speak up to correct the mods.

even the highest court in the land wrongly sentences defendants to life in prison all the time. with due respect, i dont think the TO's of the server are all that invulnerable to errors. even if they were right, it begs the question why komorebi was punished significantly less severe for the same act.

[plain panther]

Is there a cheater / suspected as cheater?

[deep sandal]

Gonna copy paste my messages from na discussions

Oh you already saw

[mellow ore]

Hello! I just wanted to ask when we'll get the cardback for winning 3 games in the last tournament?

[grave loom]

We finished mach, but not do not want toconfirn theend ofit

[fleet scroll]

Can someone tell me what wrong with bot we already finish match but still no confirm

[grave loom]

Hello ^_^

[fleet scroll]

Hi you here too Xd

[leaden pond]

OK just to be sure

the bot is not working?

[grave loom]

Yearstayday should bemy first mach
But I couldn't confirm it3 hours in a row

So, todayis another story))

[leaden pond]

are you sure either side used the /giconclude command

[grave loom]

Wur does it mean?)

[leaden pond]

so once a match is done, either you or your opponent has to use the /giconclude command to confirm your results

[fleet scroll]

Ty done

[fringe estuary]

Uhh ...

[leaden basalt]

[eager tendon]

[tough dock]

we need to go back to gatekeeping strong decks, i can't be dealing with all these 50:50's 😭

[still arrow]

But
We had Prince Cup so gatekeeping wasn't a option ?

[upbeat salmon]

ok but if you banned whale every time and it never got played, you'd never see the decklist

= gatekept

[fringe estuary]

Ting and Kev showed it to us alr

[wispy rivet]

just got cursed at for playing whale 🙁

[fringe estuary]

Report themn

[oak trench]

I do not wonder people feel this way. I'd not curse, because player just uses strongest deck and is not guilty of anything, but I cannot deny that it completely sucks the factor of fun from this competition, in my humble opinion.

[wispy rivet]

yeah there's no denying the situation of the meta and how that affects the game's fun factor, but ppl shouldn't actually take that frustration out on other people

[oak trench]

I agree with you on that.

[deep sandal]

Okay, I heard you call me immoral for playing Whale🐳, that it's a wrongful doing. However, you're mistaken. I'm not unconscionable like you say, nor is my moral compass broken for playing Whale🐳. You see, while I do acknowledge the power of Whale🐳, I have my own, personal, and secret reasons of playing it. I do know that its HP-stacking mechanic is overtuned, and that its 5-DMG-dealing Elemental Skills put any other combo deck to shame. Frankly, I do actually enjoy when my Whale🐳's burst deals a total of 8+ DMG while negating my opponent's attacks, and also when I use its Normal Attack "Shattering Waves" to Shatter (hehe, pun intended) my opponents' frozen characters. And yes, sometimes I do chuckle to myself when my opponent presses the concede button after me tuning for 5 minutes to reach 23 HP by the start of Round 3. Nevertheless, I deny all of your anti-Whale🐳 Coalition's claims about people like me being morally corrupt, depraved, and vile. I think you are being ridiculous, and I can't believe Whale🐳-enjoyers like me are being prosecuted like this.

You think it's unfair when I play Keqing-Layla-Whale🐳, but I certainly believe it's far more unfair when you go out of your way to make it miserable for me and my fellow Whale🐳-enthusiasts to be amused by our opponents' suffering! Beyond belief! But I digress. Yes, it's nontheless beyond a shadow of a doubt that I'm virtuous and right-minded for playing Whale🐳. In fact, when my Serene gives us the Lutine's Goodwill status, I pray that my opponent gets the +2 HP trigger both times so that they can at least feel something positive while they play against my Whale🐳. I even go out of my way to apologize for using Whale🐳 after winning against them by a landslide, which is the only way I'd be satisfied in this game. You see, in the end, you're the wrong ones, while us exalted Whale🐳 players couldn't be further from the very notion of wrongness!

[wispy rivet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805662532354048060/1192856149297471488/1096961646053826700.gif

[oak trench]

Not even funny IMHO, but glad you are having fun :3

[marble jacinth]

hwale

[fringe estuary]

please

banning phase in CTG

im so sick of whale

🐋

[leaden basalt]

Even in previous patch we have more than 1 meta

And now 1 "tada" counters everything and makes 🐋 unstoppable

[deep sandal]

please

banning phase in ctg

im so sick of bad tournament formats

[plain panther]

Almost every match, i play against
🐋🐋🐋🐳🐳🐳

[still arrow]

[crude light]

Just ask your opponent to play heated

Easiest whale ban

[fringe estuary]

then whale is in heated and opponent goes first

🐋

[brave ice]

Whale in heated

[crude light]

I would love to see a 4 stacks whale from opponent at the end of R3

[native forge]

conwhale in heated

[dusty laurel]

gigachad

[mild birch]

gigachad

[leaden basalt]

[crude crater]

i was planning to play heated this patch

thought ill be better off playing mirrors

[white geode]

how do u beat keqing whale layla

[hybrid eagle]

this is a whale layla keqing
you can beat it by playing whale layla keqing

[white geode]

😭

welp gotta be meta slave every season

[hybrid eagle]

unfortunately 😔
would anyone like to practice sometime? i'm not very confident in my plays yet and would like to improve

[white geode]

im free rn

[hybrid eagle]

yippie

my uid is 740287161

[white geode]

will be there in few, in game rn

[hybrid eagle]

no worries, take your time

[prime sage]

i love this copypasta btw

[wanton grove]

hey salda

[hybrid eagle]

is there anyone i could practice whale mirror with? 🐳

[native forge]

Why not practice on ctg

[mild birch]

^

[hybrid eagle]

because it's supposed to be practice for ctg

[eager tendon]

fr

[leaden basalt]

umm

I received ping

but there are nowhere to confirm it

umm

and now im banned for 1 day

wut

[bitter terrace]

Wtf one whole day

[leaden basalt]

this happens twice

this one is 2nd one

[white geode]

wow so sick of seeing keqing layla whale

[tough dock]

Trying to catch up and all i get is this

[hybrid eagle]

how many matches have you done yet?

[tough dock]

just 4

[hybrid eagle]

weird we don't match into each other

facing the same situation

[fringe estuary]

oh

im so fcked

[hybrid eagle]

how come?

[tough dock]

maan i am soo Trash at playing this game in the daytime lol

The Honoured one!

[leaden pond]

[fringe estuary]

TFT cant hold him back for long

[fast lance]

Kevinz Sneezed... Bam 1st place again.

jkjk

[hybrid eagle]

accurate

[leaden pond]

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-gambling-gambling-gamblecore-jackpot-slots-gif-14045725261200423550

[white geode]

fing broken ass decks

u literally lose just by facing them

[ruby jolt]

there are only 35 matches in the tournament right?

[leaden basalt]

Yep

[frosty coral]

Got an opponent that conceded and ragequit without confirming results

Qixing support hasn't replied for 2 hours now, what will happen to the match results?

[wanton grove]

@frosty coral use /gicancel and state the reason, then you can queue again and qixing will grant you a win when they get to you

also idk the round might've been cancelled automatically already, the queue for eu should've been closed by now just realized xd

[dire crow]

You can gicancel and the Qixing will still approve?

In my case I don't use gicancel at all and I just report haha

[wanton grove]

well that's what I was doing

maybe they changed it but you couldn't enter queue before ending your current round

[frosty coral]

We finished the match just at the end of the queue

But I was waiting for Qixing to reply until now

[wanton grove]

it's oke they have lots of work, they usually respond within a day

[frosty coral]

Posting this here just for the record, I won twice and the 2nd time opponent ragequit

[wanton grove]

yeah you should be all set

if this game will have to be counted independently you'll be one of those black horses with one win behind on lb

[frosty coral]

Hahah hopefully it doesn't come to that

[wanton grove]

nothing worrysome I've been through that twice

[fringe estuary]

just send the SS in the thread and wait i guess

doesnt matter if time runs out

[still arrow]

"Only"

[ruby jolt]

Only because got 1 win away from big primogems boost 😔

[still arrow]

Sadge

Pfp SW

[ruby jolt]

Yeah best girl

And with Christmas hat also

[wispy rivet]

a wild silky has appeared on the lb

[brave ice]

[oak trench]

Yaaay ❤️

[still arrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1073515772762132591.gif?size=48&name=BugCatNod&quality=lossless

[still arrow]

[eager tendon]

[wanton grove]

queue up if someone wants a win

[wanton grove]

bah two people cancelled the match already aaaaaaaaa

ig it's a good thing I don't need three wins for the cardback

[past narwhal]

Hey guys
Do we get the cardback after the preliminary phase ends?

[iron oxide]

Usually in a month after the tourney ends

Same with Primogem rewards

[past narwhal]

K

[wanton grove]

Is there really noone queueing up at all

[main egret]

Currently queing up, but no matches :(

[leaden basalt]

Weekly

Playing

[frosty coral]

I queued inbetween weekly matches

But I will not this time as my last match took longer

[grave loom]

Firstday without whaels. I guess all of them up.

[wanton grove]

I am not getting matches fr

Sleepge

[wanton grove]

Bruh and now I’m lowrolling and unluckying nice

[grave loom]

Try VPN next

Ithelps

But 90% u got some Chinese top players

[leaden pond]

how does a VPN even help here

[eager tendon]

[wanton grove]

Also I’d like a refund on the “closest to the active character”
Like how is lyney closer to whale here it’s ???

[oak trench]

It apparently is mixed together with who's opposition and who's active.

Because this summon won't attack active character themselves.

[eager tendon]

doens't it count who's closest to Cube perhaps

[oak trench]

Thus it is meant as your character.

(In spite of description speaking about dealing damage to opposing side 😄 )

[eager tendon]

nvm it's still wrong

[oak trench]

It is not. It makes sense. Because active character is Cyno.

And closes (and only) character is Lyney.

It is just poorly worded 😄

[bitter terrace]

This goes from left to right

[iron oxide]

Cuz it goes like 1-2-3-1-2-3 and so on. Whale is 3, Lyney is 1, 1 is considered "closer" to 3 than 2 is, hope it makes sense

[bitter terrace]

So the closest character is dead so the character in left now is lyney

[viscid wadi]

Left from yelan is cyno though

[upbeat salmon]

No apparently if the opposing char is dead it just looks in order for the first alive char from the left

There's no "wrap around" either

It's kinda weird

Honestly feels like a bug to me and I would expect it to follow usual wrap around rules for "next" but eh

[deep folio]

they are equally as close cuz 1-2-3-1-2-3

[upbeat salmon]

Either way in this situation I would expect lyney regardless

[deep folio]

1 and 2 are both 1 tile from 3

so they pick the foremost one which is lyney at 1

[grave loom]

All wheels players should to play only with this sandboy's

[wanton grove]

That doesn’t make sense though

3-1=2

3-2=1

If yelan was alive

She’d be the one to get hit

You can create any explanation for this

But it’t not the way it says it is, and probably not the intended way either

[upbeat salmon]

Zenin said the correct thing

It's not intuitive but I believe it was tested and that's how it workd

If the opposite is dead it takes the first alive char from the left

That's all

[wanton grove]

Ok

[deep folio]

well because the first alive char from the left is always the foremost one

like how you jean skill to swap to the next opposing character

jean skill on 3 and it goes back to 1

[upbeat salmon]

This doesn't seem to follow "next"rules

[deep folio]

because 1-2-3-1-2-3

[upbeat salmon]

So it's not the same

[iron oxide]

Interesting

So i created a fake explanation for that

[upbeat salmon]

Which again I feel like is a bug, it would male more sense to wrap

[upbeat salmon]

Haha it rarely comes up

I also thought this at first

But was corrected

[deep folio]

how are those not the same

can you explain

[upbeat salmon]

You can test by having you active char in slot 2

And your opponent had 1 - 3 alive

[iron oxide]

Was about so say this

[upbeat salmon]

You would expect it to hit 3

[deep folio]

no?

[upbeat salmon]

But I believe it still hits 1

[deep folio]

it would hit 1 ofc

because if 2 opposing chars have the same distance to your active char

[upbeat salmon]

I'm not sure what you're trying to argue for but you brought up jean skill and if they worked the same you expect 3

[deep folio]

it will hit the foremost one

[upbeat salmon]

Theres no such thing as distance

[deep folio]

which is 1

[deep folio]

hmm

[upbeat salmon]

I feel like this explanation is just making it more confusing

[deep folio]

I agree it makes it harder to understand

[wanton grove]

I feel like yall creating an explanation for an oversight

[upbeat salmon]

Theres "next/previous" interactions like overload or jean

[deep folio]

I was just stating that it’s working exactly as intended

[upbeat salmon]

But cube burst does not follow those same rules

[deep folio]

can anyone screenshot the thing when you click on

[upbeat salmon]

Theres no such thing as intended cuz the wording is bad

[deep folio]

character closest to your active char on cube burst

[upbeat salmon]

It's open to interpretation

[wanton grove]

Who’s next in line? - the first guy in the queue
Who’s the closest to me in line? - the dude right ahead of you

[deep folio]

it’s not a line is my point

it’s a circle

if it’s a circle everything makes sense

[upbeat salmon]

Not really, if it worked like a circle like jean skill

You should go around the circle starting from the current opposite char even if dead

In this case is still lyney

But in the other example it doesn't work how you'd expect

[deep folio]

that does make sense

[upbeat salmon]

Either way the wording is just vague

It's been tested so you just need to remember if the char is dead

It's the first alive from the left

And not worry about why

[deep folio]

so did anyone test it against npc

[upbeat salmon]

Oh like mob levels?

[deep folio]

where they have more than 3 characters

yeah

[upbeat salmon]

No idea but I guess it's not as relevant there haha

[deep folio]

true

[upbeat salmon]

Ilsomeone prob did

But prob not widely known because it doesn't matter as much

[wanton grove]

So you are trying to come up with an explanation to a rather wrongful text / implementation

[deep folio]

isn’t it normal for a human to see an abnormal thing then try to come up with an explaination

I thought it was true, now I don’t think so anymore

[median mauve]

The wording isn’t that vague? It does say it goes to the foremost if there are 2 that are equally as close

[upbeat salmon]

Wait is says that

I should

Learn to read

Equally close huh

That's such a weird way to put it though

[median mauve]

Well the way I see it is that both the next and the previous character are 1 char away

Therefore they are just as close

[upbeat salmon]

But I think the fact that it causes this much confusion is a sign it is not well written

[median mauve]

No matter how the board looks

[upbeat salmon]

Or else just doesn't work like other stuff like you'd expect

[deep folio]

who do you think got hit by burst here

[upbeat salmon]

Yeah which is also why the wording is ass

Because it's saying something simple but in a confusing way

[median mauve]

Ok so

[upbeat salmon]

It should be left ronin pribably

[deep folio]

it's the right one

[upbeat salmon]

Gdi

[deep folio]

also I can't test on 4 opponents cuz when npc dies their card disappears

[median mauve]

Forge realm

[deep folio]

don't they summon a new one though

[wanton grove]

But there’s clearly something wrong here, why bother with explanations

[median mauve]

Wdym there’s like 4 enemies with 10+ hp

Should be easy to setup in at least one of the stages

[deep folio]

ah

no

I want to try with a dead character on their side

bc it will obviously work like intended if everyone is alive

cube on 1 hit 1 and so on

[upbeat salmon]

I mean it's always useful to reverse engineer how something works

Kevin's right though - I forgot Cube's wording does actually describe what it does

it's just really un-intuitive and no one remembers it

(no one sane)

[median mauve]

I remember it as cube’s no 1 fan

[upbeat salmon]

part of it you see overload/jean interactions a lot more often

[median mauve]

Although I already knew about it when I started playing venti

[upbeat salmon]

lmao

of course

now it all makes sense

it was venti all along

[frosty coral]

I will be putting someone from here and also GITCG server on blast, they stalled intentionally to make me waste time so I don't finish my matches

[median mauve]

Niche interactions wins games ayahah

[frosty coral]

Horrid behaviour from estes, some of you may know them

[deep folio]

blep you gaslighted me

[wanton grove]

They’re here though aren’t they

[frosty coral]

Yes. First game they waited 5 minutes to start to "build deck"

[wanton grove]

Ventiminded

[frosty coral]

2nd game they picked LS and stalled, also ended their turn 3 times with full dice after they already won

So I had to concede because I was trapped

[wanton grove]

In ctg? Here?

[frosty coral]

Yes, saved the replay too, so I have proof

[maiden harness]

I just took LS

[frosty coral]

Yeah and you ended turn 3 times with full dice for what reason?

[wanton grove]

:worrypatshin:

[maiden harness]

You did same

[frosty coral]

I gave up because I lost?

Staff will decide after seeing the replay anyway

[wanton grove]

Yeah that’s the best decision, no need to create more drama

[iron oxide]

[maiden harness]

it is not prohibited

[sly thistle]

i also don't like stall too much, but it's also a deck people could play and enjoy the game

[frosty coral]

I will also link a youtube video so people can see what kind of person you are

[viscid wadi]

I guess he loves your personality

Wants spend more time in game with you

[sly thistle]

omg shipping?

[maiden harness]

I just enjoyed playing on LS

[mild birch]

id advise not posting here. mods have stated posting without the other party's permission is against the rules. you could try gitcg server tho.

[frosty coral]

Yeah I'll refrain from that, will send replay to them anyway

[mild birch]

good call

[fading crest]

whats the score btw?

[plain panther]

That's how it is
Because resigning is prohibited, if we're sure we're going to lose, we end the turn. So the game will end fast

I'm also doing the same

[oak trench]

I'm not doing it because I'd like to see what I can do until very end. But players sometimes concede on me, not letting me do my final blow. Which feels a little disrespectful if you ask me. But I've decided not to do anything about it, because there is much worse things both in the world and in this tournament, which will go unpunished (because they are either completely legal or "normal" with me having bias against them). I'd rather move on. :3

[crude crater]

why do u guys have so much time

just concede and move on to next game

i don't think resigning is prohibited unless it's reported by the other player

and he won't report u if u didn't rage Quit or something and genuinely gave up bcz there was no chance of winning

u can expect some human decency from others to not report u for just giving up

[wanton grove]

why do people think too much

[oak trench]

Let me specify more: Timely concession is fine, I wouldn't even stop for that. Concession which just denies opponent final hit is not timely in my humble opinion (saves almost no time anyway). When I see this, I usually just feel slightly sour for that. But not for long. And definitely I am not reporting such people. Not that I have such high chance of winning to begin with 😄

As for human decency, I'd probably expect a little more of "human decency" than I am actually facing when I interact with people who are about to duel with me. But that is discussion for another time (and I reckon that not many people would actually align with my opinion on that).

[deep sandal]

Imo people think too much about formalities

We're not even gonna remember most of our opponents a month later in the next ctg

So why bother with formalities, especially for the people who play more than one region

Or people who are close on time anyways

Just tick off the game and go next

[brave ice]

Plot twist: I actually remember most of the people that were really nice to me during ctg games because it's so rare

[dire crow]

Same, for example I remember someone who complimented my avatar at the time haha
And also someone who jokingly? asked me to roleplay as Tartali (this one is more of funny though)

[oak trench]

Absolutely agreed.

[hybrid eagle]

i agree. speedrunning matches can be tiring, especially if you're on a losing streak (not that many top players could relate)
a little chat or just a simple greeting can make all the difference to keep going even if morale is low

[oak trench]

Yes, exactly. I bear loss badly (do not question my joining the tournament. I am joining to learn to bear loss and also to learn to play better 😄 ), depending on my overall mood. I am huge stressbox when I play and when I lose and opp not only ggs, but also chats a little,... it works wonders on morale. Simple gg is sure enough for me, I take is as last exchange before parting ways. But all those people who spent a little more time with me... yeah I'd say they really made me stay because I felt helluva better after that :3

[wanton grove]

I rarely chat coz I’m too focused on the games
And when morale is low I tend to not talk at all
Even if I lose by terrible luck I am still trying to find different approaches etc which is also stressing me out, ngl
Like opp’s unspeakable highroll so that I don’t even get to play at all, or my lowroll so that opp wins even after making terrible decisions
I get really down coz I couldn’t put up a battle and just lose upon entry

So I play 5 games and don’t bother about all 35

[plain panther]

Really?
How rare it is?

Usually my opponents & I just say general things like
Hi
Join my world
Glhf
Gg
Goodbye/see you

Sometimes talk about things in-game

And most people i remember are people who talk in discussions and players who often on leaderboard

[maiden harness]

@versed barn I didn't get Welkin from Knockout Phase

[iron oxide]

Nor did I

[oak trench]

Not little number of people I meet won't say a word. No ggs, no greetings, no gls.

[deep sandal]

I didnt get mine either

I hope it takes a while tho I dont wanna overcap on welkins

[maiden harness]

I want Nilou skin

[marble jacinth]

just buy nilou skin

[maiden harness]

I need crystals from welkin

[bitter terrace]

Just buy crystals

[maiden harness]

[mellow ore]

And I still didn’t get my cardback from the last preliminary matches or whatever they were called (the one where you need 3 wins) 🥲 How long does it usually take?

[wanton grove]

a few weeks at least

[keen epoch]

built different fr

they brought a whole extra game into existence through sheer willpower

[crude crater]

[wanton grove]

@brave ice hacking

[brave ice]

My score got corrected a tiny bit too much

[wanton grove]

now was it a win or a loss

[crude crater]

i can't find rules

where it defines

how players are ranked

@wanton grove help

[wanton grove]

score > infractions (less is prioritized) > last match played (earlier is prioritized)

[brave ice]

My score should get corrected from 269 to 278, but then I get to have 36 games played, so last one (which was a loss) should be not counted at all

[wanton grove]

wait so you did play 36 games

wonder how they let it slip haha

[crude crater]

thanks

[fringe estuary]

time to go 70 games in AS using this bug

💀

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805662532354048060/1192856149297471488/1096961646053826700.gif

[bitter terrace]

Counting the 36th game is such a scam

[crude crater]

Alpha tournament is back

[bitter terrace]

Like one can just set things up to have advantage in 9L ranks

[brave ice]

It's easy. If you have a game that has not confirmed result, your quota is not consumed for this game during actual preliminaries and you are free to use up all quota anyway (which is even stated in a rules). But during verification quota is recalculated and exceeding games are ignored

[crude crater]

it's definitely a error bruh

[fringe estuary]

with this we can just play a game then wait for time out -> continue doing this for 35 times then you will get easy opponent (bc your WR is 0-0) -> 35-0 is easy in the update time

[bitter terrace]

I matched into someone I lost and then I said let's not confirm the results so both of us get to play an extra game then at most I'll get a strike but one extra point so I'll already have one more extra point than all the 9L people so one strike does shit to me

[fringe estuary]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805662532354048060/1192856149297471488/1096961646053826700.gif

[deep folio]

this zeninge thinking this is intended

[brave ice]

Don't write it in a way as if you actually did it

[fringe estuary]

should have kept in secret

[bitter terrace]

I'm sorry silky I didn't mean it that way

[fringe estuary]

me and my crazy ideas

[bitter terrace]

I know what happened in your game

[crude crater]

bro why are u getting worked up for no reason

[wanton grove]

yeah ik, had that unconfirmed thing happen a few times xd

[bitter terrace]

I'm just saying how flawed it is

[crude crater]

that's not how it works

except ur reasoning is flawed

[brave ice]

[wanton grove]

still sounds like you're somehow responsible

[bitter terrace]

Fuck me and my reasoning, I'm already fucked so much with an unannounced exam tomorrow

[bitter terrace]

Surely mods check about that I did some shady things

[wanton grove]

:worrypatzenin:

[bitter terrace]

Maybe a ban is all I need now

Will give me a reason to stop playing this shit of a game a start focusing on my studies a bit

[wanton grove]

now I'm completely clueless whether you're serious or sarcastic

ohh

it's desperately angry

I'm sorry :c

[bitter terrace]

Nah I'm serious about the last 2 lines

[bitter terrace]

This and I'm still watching a tournament stream

[wanton grove]

no progress starts with beating yourself down, it'll be okay man

[crude crater]

than go study why are u here

: 😭

[bitter terrace]

Studying is tough

[fringe estuary]

~~GITCG > Study ~~

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805662532354048060/1192856149297471488/1096961646053826700.gif

[bitter terrace]

Now I'm not even like before "one night study and get above average score"

Study tough

Gitcg easy

[fringe estuary]

one night study

[crude crater]

bro is mad he can't study
so he is ranting out here

[bitter terrace]

That's why I don't talk about study related stuff when others do, coz I'm shit

[bitter terrace]

Gg

[crude crater]

Gs(good study)

[fringe estuary]

Bs (bad study)

[bitter terrace]

Ns (No study)?

[iron oxide]

Fs? (I'm not gonna comment on that)

[bitter terrace]

**** *****

Wtf

Btw who went out of t16 then

[iron oxide]

Mlody Eliasz ig

[crude crater]

yes

[bitter terrace]

Nope

[crude crater]

megumin will be back

[bitter terrace]

They went above

[crude crater]

and eliasz will get kicked out

[bitter terrace]

Surely one more correction

Like they once did with NA lb

Someone I knew was 16th after the verification but then it was done again for some reasons and they went 17

[crude crater]

no correction helps me tough

[wanton grove]

I can correct you if you want

[crude crater]

it has to

[crude crater]

[bitter terrace]

It should be otherwise it will be unfair to those who play by rules without causing anyone trouble

[viscid wadi]

Prayge that after 36th game delete, silky will be under kevin)

[viscid wadi]

Not pray but hope

[crude crater]

pe

[eager tendon]

[viscid wadi]

Wait, how had i become 10th?)

Oh, nvm

I don't have to worry ig

[brave ice]

[brave ice]

Enlightened's score also went up to 278

[wispy rivet]

i dont remember people going up to 36 exp before

did the bot mess things up this time

are the mods aware? @versed barn

[versed barn]

defo, let me look into it a bit

should be fixed now

[wispy rivet]

no it's not

please take a closer look and make sure

[versed barn]

it was a manual adjustment that shouldn't have taken place

2 players were affected, now reverted and the data is correct now

did a quick search, none got 36 or more EXP

ty for letting me know

[wispy rivet]

i know for a fact there remains at least one mistake among the 2 affected players. could you take another look and make sure?

[fringe estuary]

[deep sandal]

I think that person is pretty happy with the current lb

[fringe estuary]

Sussy Paimon is being bad this time, it needs a good spanking

[leaden pond]

[deep sandal]

[versed barn]

mmm lemme check

[viscid wadi]

Alright, i thought i was going to face erbithril even after silky goes 27-8, but he just goes 26-9 and i am against quagsire instead

[versed barn]

none showed up, there's indeed an issue with one of the two affected players, but it's not related to the other player, and that case was resolved

[viscid wadi]

I am happy

[fringe estuary]

good luck facing the honored one

[versed barn]

why are y'all deleting messages

and ty, the fix hasn't been propagated successfully

[crude crater]

idk

the message i replied to got deleted

so i did it too

[viscid wadi]

[frank shore]

pls do it quick I'm scared 🥹

[versed barn]

should be correct now!

[clear tide]

what is this lb

wasnt it supposed to be like

the 36th played game won't be counted

why is silky out of lb

[iron oxide]

[viscid wadi]

WTF

[brave ice]

@versed barn My correct score should be 278, I didn't reacted earlier cause I was on leaderboard either way and didn't want to cause even more changes, but now I have to react. My quota exceeded 35 because I had one not counted win which I reported to be reviewed and it was supposed to be corrected during verification phase. My last game was lost. Now when I exceeded quota, that last loss should be ignored, so my score should change from 269 to 278. Please take a look at this.

[versed barn]

is that the round that timed out? that round was not adjusted because it's timed out (the ingame match ended after the round's closing time)

because... it's the rules, im not above it either

if you need more details as to how this is the conclusion, feel free to reach out to #📨contact-qixing and they'll assist you with it

[wispy rivet]

it's kind of a bad look for the tournament for the mistakes to be fixed only after several players had to point things out several times and these were the mistakes that us players could see in the eu top 16 leaderboard. what if there are some remaining issues below top 16 and in the other regions' leaderboards, which we can't see?

[brave ice]

What you say it's different from what is stated in the rules. I attach the screenshot from tournament-FAQ, our only source of rules. It is clearly stated that if a game has result in-game, but round was cancelled or timed out, the quota and score will be recalculated. There is nothing there that would precise that only round which ended it the window given for a Preliminary Round will be recalculated. There is only a need that game has result in-game and my match clearly has result in-game, as per screenshots that I attached in my report.

I don't know what intention was hidden behind this rule, but I believe deciding factor should be whatever is written in the rules, not what author of the rules intended there to be.

Even if the intention was to only correct rounds that ended in-game and then immediately were timed out which would make it impossible to submit score - then that rule should be rewritten to actually mean it. I was looking and this rule and taking it literally, as it is supposed to be.

So I can't help but it feels very unfair for me to solve this case like that. How I (and other players) are supposed to trust the rules if it suddenly turns out that they are treated in different way than what they literally say.

[versed barn]

you're right, the mistake happened when a manual adjustment was made when it's not supposed to. And to fix it, 2 other adjustments were made, and thankfully the change did not affect anyone else besides the 2 players involved. I strongly believe none other players were affected~

[versed barn]

this is sent at the start of every round

because it's important, every round has this statement, and at the beginning

[versed barn]

and thanks to everyone who saw the mistake and pong me, it was fixed promptly

[brave ice]

And my match had one inturrupted by disconnection game, then started rematch that ended 3 minutes after round timed out. I didn't have to agree for rematch, I did it because I wanted to play fair. You can't say there is no conclusion in our round. No conclusion is blank match history with no attempt of playing.

[wispy rivet]

alright i'll believe that too then. thank you for your work helping fix things and i hope silky's situatuon is resolved; my reading of q17 is the same as him 🤔

[brave ice]

No, my situation is not resolved

[wispy rivet]

yeah i meant i hope it is (becomes) resolved

[versed barn]

hmmm, this seems like a grey area, according to Q15 which most likely describes your case

i really commend your fair play spirit, however in this case the end time didn't give you the capacity to end the match within the round's duration, it's unfortunate, but if this is to be made as an exception, i'm afraid all other rounds would need to be extended for the fairness of all

[leaden pond]

never got affected by this but I personally think the word "complete" should be emphasized; current meta makes it possible for matches to take a while so it should be made more clear that the entire match should be done within that period

just in case such a meta occurs again

... on that note, there should be rules on what to do on a match draw; given the current timeframe of 45 70 minutes (I could be wrong?), it is almost impossible could be impossible to fit a rematch into the remaining time.

(what's the current timeframe?)

[versed barn]

y'all asked for extended time, it's 70 mins now

[leaden pond]

ok edited

[versed barn]

waw nice edit

[fringe estuary]

70 mins r not enough

[leaden pond]

[versed barn]

[fringe estuary]

i think there should be an option

to ask for an extended timer

like sending SS to Sussy Paimon to increase the timer of a match

[jovial pasture]

[fringe estuary]

then you can review the proof and accept the result or not

this should solve the issue about not enough time

[leaden pond]

I think the problem is that as long as stall meta exists it is never possible to make a rematch

[versed barn]

explicitly saying it could be a nice update, the current setting is a bit implicit... cuz how could a round end with a result when the actual match is still on going

[median mauve]

Matches don’t actually take 70 mins

Extending it beyond 70 mins is kinda dumb I’d rather not

[deep folio]

yeah I got ping quite a few times this patch but that was warning for 40 minutes left

[fringe estuary]

Whale mirror usualy takes about 15-50 mins max

[leaden pond]

tbf I don't think an extension is needed if the time limit has always been intended (GITCG is still using a 45-min match timer for rounds 1-4 in Weeklies), but most people don't even know about the fact that the game has to be finished in 70 minutes

if they know then they'd probably understand that they need to plan around the timer

[versed barn]

maybe more pings when the round is closing

[median mauve]

The timer is literally in the room and it’s explicitly stated like

Idk

[versed barn]

nvm me, im scared of pings

[median mauve]

If a player can’t see the timer and don’t realize it exists that’s on them

Their own fault

[wanton grove]

that's why I strongly believe we need a robust and sophisticated automated queue that solves all issues of this kind by design

people are frustrated with discord queue pings, poor interaction feedback from the system, and many many other problems that are just too many to mention all

manual mistakes like the one with Silky is just another straw; as well as the ambiguity of when the match ends

I keep bringing it up in feedback forms, because it affects everyone's experience; and a better experience means more committed players

[fringe estuary]

im scared of qixing ping

[median mauve]

While we’re on the topic of timer though

[fringe estuary]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805662532354048060/1192856149297471488/1096961646053826700.gif

[leaden pond]

the thing is the player knows the timer exists, but not the exact conditions of the timer

[median mauve]

I think it should be more clear what actions you should take in the case of a draw

[versed barn]

official tournament with built-in queueing system when

but it kinda defeats the joy of meeting peeps on discord

or frustration

[median mauve]

I’ve had at least 1 game that I remember that ended in a draw

[fringe estuary]

me too

[wanton grove]

I disagree with you here
this system of personal discord account + personal game account is a joke
people with phones cannot normally have both open, but they need to for the basic funcionality?
you can't just rely on pings in a separate social media
it is obscure, and despite all what people say, most are not going into all the details because it's tiring and "what can go wrong anyway"?

[median mauve]

And we just agreed to play another match within the remaining time

But there are no rules on how to actually proceed afterwards

Can one of the players just say no and dip?

Should both players play again?

No one knows because it isn’t stated anywhere

[leaden pond]

tbh I hope that draws are counted as valid match results because otherwise players with draws will end up having to play more matches than necessary

and I've heard people asking if they can play fewer matches

[median mauve]

Draws are already ignored during the verification process

And people obviously don’t want a match that gives both players a loss

It’s a net negative for both

[wanton grove]

like even the current situation about max time limit
you don't need one in-game where you can naturally check if the game is still ongoing or not
I'm sure the limit was added here to avoid hanging states where someone straight up disappears and noone knows what to do next
like a failsafe

[versed barn]

rematch only happens when both players agree to do so, if one dips the previously ended match will take priority in determining the result

it's an edge case for the current situation, because the player took on a rematch and the round timed out before that match ended

[wanton grove]

what if I ping @jovial pasture

[median mauve]

What result are you even supposed to submit in the case of a draw then?

[versed barn]

Q5 will do it justice~

[wanton grove]

don't think it'll help much; if someone's pings are ignored, they won't see another dozen

[median mauve]

Q5 🦤

I have never seen this 🦤

[versed barn]

i think it's updated some time before

and announced in #tournament-updates

[brave ice]

It's not an exception, it is literally stated in your verifiction phase announcements as well, so if there weren't - they probably should.

Also there is stated below that player who disconnected is a loser of game unless it was explained and other actions were taken, but if you decide to ignore my rematch with opponent, then no other actions were taken??

I can agree it's a hard case and it is a grey area, but I do see much more proofs/clues that are in favour of accepting score of my match than those which suggest that it should be voided.

[versed barn]

found it #tournament-updates message

[median mauve]

Oh S2

At least I don’t have to feel stupid knowing that it existed when I actually did draw

[versed barn]

it's where communication mattered, from purely looking at the room with chat, i couldnt see there was a rematch until it showed up in the actual in-game match history. The fact that a rematch happened meant to me that the previous match's result was voided, and this rematch would be the deciding one, and that it timed out the round

there's comms within the modmail, but it's never the source of truth to rely on, it's a source to solidify mods' decision, though!

[wispy rivet]

the current time limit isnt feasible for rematches. either make it so that in the case of a rematch, the time limit is extended/refreshed, or just cancel the round altogether

the ideal scenario would be that you'd cancel the round and then immediately match again with the same player, right?

[versed barn]

im pretty onboard with a way to extend the round's duration in case of rematch but i cant promise anything

[wanton grove]

imo I was always skeptical about the situations where it's considered that both players receive no points, but the match itself is counted
it serves no purpose to me, and only punishes those who happen to end up with it

[versed barn]

quota isn't taken when timed out / canceled

[viscid wadi]

Ig next patch add button "extend time limit" and ask acception of both

[viscid wadi]

[fringe estuary]

Justice for Silky

[wanton grove]

oh okay, I guess I misremembered rules or they got changed good stuff tho

[wanton grove]

yea it's the best here imo

does make the queue more complicated but uhh

[versed barn]

one extension of 30 mins, only

[fading crest]

do you think mods are online 24/7?

[versed barn]

it would possibly address the case that happens once in over 100k rounds and make it once every 200k rounds, hopegefully

[fringe estuary]

mods only do 1/7, 23/7 were used to booli Salad

[wanton grove]

and probably best to include a notice of time-outs etc, so players are aware of implications

[wispy rivet]

yeah this 👆 i still understand how this is in accordance with silky's situation

[viscid wadi]

Wdym? Rounds are automatically decided if nothing goes wrong

[fringe estuary]

and this should solve Silky case ngl

[versed barn]

... should i break it to you again

[fringe estuary]

communication doesnt always take place in discord chat

can be in-game though

[brave ice]

Okay, so you suggest that I also should write in matchroom that rematch is in progress, I also should expect that we might not end the game in time where there was over 45 minutes still remaining and just should reject rematch, then I would have my points.

But I tried, I even warned opponent that we don't have a lot of time so I ask to play reasonably fast, but we failed by few minutes.

So my opponent disconnected, I fairly won the rematch but loophole is find that doesn't clearly state that timed out match won't be adjusted later and now I'll be punished for that? Don't you think that existing of Q17 also encouraged me to try rematch because I was sure that even if we time out, rematch won't be voided?

Your decision right now just absolutely discourage me and everyone other to try rematches, because why even would you risk??? Just take a win and go.

[viscid wadi]

:worrypatsilky

[wanton grove]

tbh I agree Silky can get a pass in this case here
yes, there might've been other occurences we are unaware of
but that's why rules are changing, evolving, to better accomodate the community
so if it happens that some past results could've been different with present rules, why not make the exception when it actually matters and decides a top16 player, which is a major goal?

[versed barn]

I understand your concern, the current system/rules don't play very well with rematch, while I'm unable to adjust anything after this point, I hope there will be changes to support rematch more gracefully, so that cases like yours won't show up and bring pain

[brave ice]

... yes sure, this is definitely greating solution to existing problem

[versed barn]

i can make it so the screenshot DarkSrhine sent above changes from happened to started and finished and call it a day

[fringe estuary]

Ayawah what did i do ?

[versed barn]

sending a screenshot

[fringe estuary]

[versed barn]

[brave ice]

Lex retro non agit.

This was not the rule that existed when I was playing that match.

[versed barn]

dont worry, i wont do it

[fringe estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/andy-samberg-rules-are-made-to-be-broken-rebel-rebellious-gif-3922728

[versed barn]

in the future, it will be changed to that

[brave ice]

But what about the present?

[versed barn]

in the name of eliminating all implicity

[wanton grove]

come on PonPon sweetie, shouldn't you be on our side

[brave ice]

@versed barn Is there any other person or instance in the tavern server that I can make an appeal from your decision or are you the final instance?

[fringe estuary]

time to bribe PonPon

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805662532354048060/1192856149297471488/1096961646053826700.gif

[brave ice]

Because based on current state, you haven't convince me at all the this decision is right.

[fringe estuary]

btw Silky what's your result in the disconnected game ?

[brave ice]

There was no result, after agreement I conceded that game but there is photo of the laptop of my opponent clearly showing state of disconnection and they begging me to concede and start rematch

That discussion took place in the match room so it is visible for mods

So are screenshots

[fringe estuary]

This really needs to be appealed

[versed barn]

You're welcome to appeal with the CTG mods, but it's just that the odds are against you. The fact that you didn't finish the rematch within the round's time limit is reasonable enough to void the result.

[brave ice]

Where should I adress it? By Qixing modmail?

[versed barn]

Yes! #📨contact-qixing and use the line 9 - Cat's Tail Gathering Inquiry

[brave ice]

Fine. Will be done soon.

[fringe estuary]

contact Qixing then PonPon will reply

[versed barn]

im too old for that

[fringe estuary]

[viscid wadi]

[wanton grove]

it's sad if it can't be done

several upsets over the year happened

that makes us feel conflicted

[viscid wadi]

I think everything will be fine

[wanton grove]

thank you for your job Pon!

maybe hoyo-senpai will notice us someday

[deep sandal]

This thing literally says that games which were timed out but happened will be counted after prelims

[primal raven]

maybe, But the scale of GITCG is not particularly large.

[wanton grove]

this has been posted enough times imo

[deep sandal]

So why doesnt Silky get his game that happened but was timed out

It's literally what this rule is about, no?

[wanton grove]

still they're throwing in millions of $ into it, for some reason

[deep sandal]

Making clear what I'm referring to

[crude crater]

wth happened here

[fringe estuary]

i blame Sussy Paimon for being bad

[mild birch]

Poor silky

[crude crater]

it says the loser is the one conceded or disconnected

but one guy disconnected

and the other guy conceded

how u deal with that if u wanna be technical

they did agree upon a second game just like rule 2 stated ,which timed out (according to rule 1 , should be adjusted to become finished one with correct winner )

[leaden pond]

I think the ruling here is based on the understanding of "happen correctly"

PonPon argues that a game happened "correctly" if and only if it started and ended in the 70-min window, but that was not made really clear

[keen epoch]

rather than extending the timer disconnection should result in an immediate loss honestly

it's the player's fault

i will take the win if my opponent ever disconnects

i also gave the win immediately to my opponent when i disconnected

no need to risk going into time or make your opponent feel bad for not accepting a rematch

[crude crater]

yeah

earlier the rules were disconnected is loss.

unless it's an imp game in KOs or smth

and happens at the start of the game

no rematch should be considered

and never in case of prelims

it's just too much of an hassle

[oak trench]

You will never know when your internet hardware decides to frick up. That is something you cannot ever influence, it can happen to any piece of hardware anywhere. Thus disconnection = loss would end up in being much less fair than it is now.

[deep folio]

[leaden pond]

the only challenge is: how do you prove if a disconnect is intentional or not?

ideally if you get an unlimited number of matches then you can just punish people the moment they disconnect and they can just fix their connection if it was an Internet problem and recover their records, but here you have a limited number of matches

[deep folio]

you're causing time for your opponent if you request a rematch

and what if one of them are winning

it could never be fair

rematching is just not a good way to solve this

[mild birch]

If someone gonna request rematch im gonna decline

Silkys case was too devastating

[deep folio]

sure if both agree just go ahead but that's not anywhere close to being fair

[mild birch]

Dont want it to happen to me

Man how can tgey just throw out the whole ctg score

Thats brutap

[oak trench]

That is why people are free to not agree.

[keen epoch]

whether it is intentional or not the player that disconnects should get a game loss

disconnection will always be part of an online tournament unfortunately

i think it's better to have something concrete rather than leaving it up to the player's discretion

[oak trench]

It feels much worse for player who does everything right, has upper hand but then loses to moody router. I cannot even begin to imagine how mentally painful that must be. That is why I think that when there is a way to solve it without risk of false loss (unintentional disconnection), it should be a thing. There is no need to chalk it up to "It is online, expect low reliability in the worst possible time, it is normal" trope. I seriously see more bad than good in that.

Plus players whose connection was up has full liberty to decline still.

While both approaches are somewhat unfair, I think automatic loss is more so.

[wanton grove]

Silky agreed to a rematch, he could've claimed the win but didn't

[mild birch]

That is false

[wanton grove]

let them speak then, I'm not sure if they ever chose a preferrable pronoun

[oak trench]

OK sorry then ^^

[mild birch]

No need to be sorry

Just bit surprised how it came to the conclusion

[oak trench]

My info was wrong, that is all 😄

[severe barn]

Have they still not distributed the S4 primos?

[oak trench]

I do not think they did

[viscid wadi]

I skipped 1 turn and still won

[viscid wadi]

i mean, in sikly's case both agreed to rematch

[crude crater]

i just quickly reconnect to my mobile data

and still get into the game

when disconnected happens

[viscid wadi]

i did the same but i passed on eight dices) still won xD:)

[viscid wadi]

Also...
If the match, if it was timed out, nobody of pair gets strike for that, right?

[fading crest]

How did Eliasz appear again?

[viscid wadi]

Game against silky was voided

[fading crest]

But Silky won that game

[deep sandal]

Nope

[fading crest]

Nvm

[viscid wadi]

He won it out of round time

[deep sandal]

1st game eliasz disconnected, silky conceded before eliasz auto conceded

And their rematch exceeded round timer

So now silky officially conceded

I think

[bitter terrace]

Wtf bruh

What is happening with eu lb

[fading crest]

Silky is too wholesome

[deep sandal]

[viscid wadi]

Silky is too kind

[wispy rivet]

nah that game is just canceled and has no effect rn, as if that matchroom had never been created. so silky's 36th match is actually counted rn

[deep sandal]

Surely villain arc next season

[viscid wadi]

[iron oxide]

welp

[wispy rivet]

or wait am i not up to date rn

[tough dock]

aww i was late to all the drama, Silky still not on the leader board. #justice4Silky.

[crude crater]

#justice4silky 🍀

[solemn burrow]

#justice4silky

[still arrow]

What all this thing aya

[wanton grove]

unfortunate enforcement of rules technically voiding one of silky's games, because the queued match timed out before the game was finished, pushing them out of top16

[viscid wadi]

#justice4silky

[fading crest]

#justice4silky

[eager tendon]

#justice4silky

[fringe estuary]

#justice4silky

[mild birch]

#justice4silky

[native forge]

Time to ban all #justice4silky

[wanton grove]

why ban

[eager tendon]

[scenic hull]

Mmmm… I feel like the question “will the Qixing ban players for politely and reasonably talking about concerns” has already been answered.
This was a concern raised during the last time a “#justicefor…” thing went around and the reply to the widespread inquiry should be found in #tournament-updates

You’re in no danger unless you exhibit poor behavior. Definitions and examples of such can be found in the rules Travelers~

[marble jacinth]

#justice4mono

[scenic hull]

#justice4monothelegalstudent

[leaden basalt]

#unsealsalad

[wanton grove]

yes, salads must be savored freshly prepared
this way, it retains most of its valuable properties and keeps the original taste of its contents:}

[plain panther]

Who finished the game first?
Silky or megumin?

[frosty coral]

Update on the estes thing, seems like what he did was against the rules after all

[deep sandal]

I think it was funny

You could've just conceded earlier so idt you can complain all too much

[brave ice]

35th game of Megumin was mine 30th, so yeah

[maiden harness]

You gave up twice, you're lucky I didn't report you for that

[versed barn]

what happens to the "assume absolute confidential" kinda statement from modmail

[frosty coral]

Tell me more about this, why should we keep punishment confidential again?

[frosty coral]

Care to tell us more about why I conceded and what you were doing?

[maiden harness]

In game 1 you just gave up

even so in 2 you shouldn't have given up because it breaks the rules

[scenic hull]

The funny thing about conversation/exchange confidentiality is that technically, once it’s broken from one end, the whole thing is no longer considered confidential. Please be mindful of this players, and treat others how you would like to be treated. You never know when it could be you on the other end, so it’s always good to practice empathy and compassion~

[frosty coral]

I am all for empathy and compassion, but it's a bit difficult to practice with a player that's actively and purposely sabotaging my tournament experience

And doing so completely unprovoked

[wanton grove]

just move on

[fringe estuary]

ouch

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1050122188348461146/1053453906446917744/qiqi-observe_128x128px_alpha.gif

https://tenor.com/view/nikke-popcorn-doro-dorothy-gif-8626997574330021589

more drama plz

ngl this season of CTG has more problems than the previous ones

i love it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805662532354048060/1192856149297471488/1096961646053826700.gif

[frosty coral]

I wouldn't call this drama, it's a problematic player being penalized for it, so that this kind of thing doesn't happen again.

[fringe estuary]

sure drama isnt the correct word but i like "something" about this CTG season

[iron oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/eating-the-chip-chips-chip-eating-chip-man-eating-three-chips-gif-18885184

[versed barn]

The modmail insisted you to keep the convo private explicitly. By doing that is to show mutual respect between you and the mod team. When this mutual respect is broken, it means that mods no longer need to keep convos with you private.
Please try to treat others like how you want to be treated

[mild birch]

https://tenor.com/view/flop-gif-20244619

[scenic hull]

“Confidential” can be an annoying word that you may feel is thrown around too much, but if something is labeled thusly, there’s usually a good reason behind it. The Qixing do strive to be as transparent and forthcoming as possible, with emphasis on as possible. Just like players and server members have rules to follow, so do the mod team. Please keep this in mind going forward so that relations don’t become unduly strained~

[plain panther]

That's very unfortunate

I thought you had finished the last game first

[plain panther]

[sterile flame]

though i think there's a lot of things kept needlessly confidential - like giving credit where credit is due

[sterile flame]

tournament rulings shouldn't be kept confidential, i think this should be handled separately from server punishments

just my thoughts

i think transparency supports competitive integrity

[sterile flame]

i think they've been going a lot smoother lately as the playerbase understands what does and doesn't fly

[scenic hull]

And you are free to feel that way, but players really cannot judge what should and should not be kept confidential from them. Transparency is wonderful and is something the Qixing are all for, but sometimes the consequences of such are deeply unpleasant. We of course listen to your suggestions, but if they aren't implemented, players need to have faith that they weren't for a reason. Additionally, often the confidentiality of things isn't up to us—the Qixing also exercise our faith in others sometimes.

[sterile flame]

you know i used to be a moderator here, right?

[scenic hull]

Ahhhh, I only pinged you in this response to keep conversation continuity, so you know you were given a response rather than having to check every so often. This is hardly a rebuke either, and should be taken more as a response to a specific line of thought that has more general applications.
(And yes, I'm aware you were a mod!)

So it is both a response to you and something I say to the community at large, mostly since we've had a lot of conversations like this recently.

👍

[sterile flame]

i think there's a reason there's been a lot of conversations like this recently though!

and my feedback isn't baseless

i essentially created the events team in this server

so i know how things are run very well

[scenic hull]

Yes, I know; I'm also aware that there have been events lately to cause such discussions to take the forefront. I am hardly denying your past experiences.

[sterile flame]

there are certain things i've either given up on pushing for, or have been pushing for for a very long time in CTG

but how i see it is, veteran players don't always voice their disappointment/feedback and instead talk to each other about it behind closed doors, because there is this general feeling that things won't change no matter what feedback is given

so while i know qixing and TCG mods are messengers rather than rule setters, i do hope that if there is consistent feedback actually being voiced by the community by multiple people, it will be passed forward to those in charge of decision making

[deep sandal]

Like the abomination of a format we have to go through in KOs cough

[scenic hull]

Being a former mod, I'm sure you know then that the Qixing take concerns seriously. Of course we pass things up the chain (we love feedback <3) but sometimes, the Qixing can fall into the same mindset as the players (mentioned in your message [here](#1072075265330642954 message)). But we'll definitely still continue to compile and submit suggestions by the players. The goal is always to have fun~

[versed barn]

As a former mod, you know communications within the modmail should be kept private, don't you? Sending a screenshot here breaks that. They're welcome to talk about their opponent getting punished, however. These are 2 separate matters. The way they did it wasn't fine.

[versed barn]

just imagine someone told you to keep the convo private and you screenshot it to share with public while it didn't cause any public damage, some trust broke, and it would be uncomfortable for that someone to see it turn out like so

[white geode]

does old players should have EVERYTHING unlocked in shop? or still have like leftover 950 coin and still have things to buy?

[fringe estuary]

here's what left for me

[white geode]

here is mine. i only missed 3k coin on event

[dire crow]

By everything does that include skins? As for me I have everything unlocked in my acc minus Kusava for EU acc, Pankration for EU & AS, and skins
And I have like.. 20k left in all of my accounts haha

[fringe estuary]

here's the max coins if you r wondering

[white geode]

hmmm

[fringe estuary]

so yeah you miss 4500

you will never financially recover from this

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805662532354048060/1192856149297471488/1096961646053826700.gif

[white geode]

anyway thanks for the answers