[Europe Server] Discussions

[wispy rivet]

🦤

well the safest bet would be 9 like the last season's

7 sounds too low

[median mauve]

10 losses might be the cutoff

doesn't mean it's safe

[plain panther]

[echo fossil]

still technically in top 16 somehow given I'm sharing the last spot with that guy

also how is it decided who's gonna be higher and lower given the score is the same?

[wicked echo]

last finished match

[echo fossil]

and what happens if this continues until 35/35?

shouldn't there be anything that'd distinguish me from them?

[wispy rivet]

it's always according to this

Q14. How is the ranking for the Preliminary Phase calculated?
Score > EXP > Strikes (the lower the better) > Win rate > Last played match (the earlier the better) > Registration date (the earlier the better)

[autumn nexus]

why is win rate there

its redundant with score and exp

[wispy rivet]

good question

i was just thinking about it after reading

[plain panther]

How's your games so far?

[echo fossil]

it's wild that the last played match and registration date affects the placements, but not personal score against one another

[wispy rivet]

how would personal score even work

[sterile latch]

im surprised opponent average win% isnt a factor

[wispy rivet]

ctg tries to measure your power by sampling a relatively large number of random games. i dont think your match result against one person should decide your placement :yaethunk:

[autumn nexus]

opponent average win% would be a very good metric yea

[echo fossil]

if you're sharing the same score with someone - the system would look if there are any past matches on this tournament where you've played with them, and takes them into account if possible

that would be the most fair way of doing things imo

the only problem would be if you've played twice

and the record is 1-1

[wispy rivet]

if the matchmaking wasnt random it'd be fine. but currently it wouldnt be fair. imagine placing lower because you didnt get lucky enough to be matched with opps with high wr :yaethunk:

imo it's fine as-is where opp wr is indirectly taken into account due to how the mm works

tho it's not like we know how exactly it works so there's prolly room for improvement there

[wispy rivet]

what if you didnt match with them before :ayawah:

[echo fossil]

look for more fair criterias ig, because registration date and last match played certainly do not sound like something that makes your performance over someone better

or should* shall I say

[wispy rivet]

registration date is a bit silly i agree, tho it almost never matters so it's prolly not that bad (it only matters if two players' 35th matches are against each other and they end up with the same score)

but hmge last match played :yaethunk:

i guess it kinda disfavours stall players, and as one i'm affected :ayawah:

but i also cant come up with a better measure

it should be something that's in your control

and not up to luck

[echo fossil]

personal record, or how many leaderboard players have you won against

[wispy rivet]

but the whole mm involves luck anyway ayawah

[echo fossil]

certainly sounds more fair even though the second one can also somewhat bring a natural disadvantage and a random factor

but it's more acceptable than having last match played affecting your placements during a tie

[wispy rivet]

that arises a similar issue tho #1072075265330642954 message

why would it be my fault that i got "unlucky" and didnt get to play with lb players

[echo fossil]

let alone registration date

[echo fossil]

yeah but at the same time if the opponent has easier time getting on the leaderboard because they were matched against "weaker" players - shouldn't they also be considered lucky, in a way?

[wispy rivet]

so this ayawah

[echo fossil]

it's kinda too early to complain though, there's still 2 days ahead

thay being said it should still get reworked imo

[wispy rivet]

i guess so, but again, the player had no influence in that; they didnt choose to get lucky

[echo fossil]

true

[wispy rivet]

also even if we somehow ended up with a perfect matchmaking system, the tcg game itself is also luck-based

[echo fossil]

[wispy rivet]

so idk

the thesis statements seem to be "we must eliminate the effects of luck on the lb placement as far as possible, even if certain luck is inherent and cant be removed" and "certain luck is already inherent, so utilizing some more luck for what we perceive to result in a fairer lb placement is justifiable"

[plain panther]

If we get matched with higher wr then we also have higher chance of losing

For me I prefer playing against 0% wr (not because they just played but because they keep losing) than players with 100% wr
If all matches are against 0% winrate it's pretty much guaranted to be on leaderboard

[plain panther]

True

[autumn nexus]

Hence why i just propose a elo ladder 🤔

Then all this someone else got easy opponent stuff will go out the window

[plain panther]

I also think calculating exp is weird
Like players with 25-0 are certainly better than players with 24-10
Although in practice it doesn't really matter

[autumn nexus]

Hence elo ladder!

You dont have to spam games if you just win a lot

Its actually just better in every way frfr

[wispy rivet]

i think that's a bit problematic. it encourages avoiding playing to protect your score

i think it's good that ctg practically forces you to play all your games if you wanna score high

[plain panther]

I think they should make a rule not to cancel the game
Cancel = lose

If they are busy after queueing, they shouldn't accept the matching, after both accept matching they can't cancel it

[wispy rivet]

i mean they do give you a loss if it's apparent that you're cancelling to avoid losing

[plain panther]

Or maybe make it possible for both players to schedule next time when they both can play, so they still need to play, but just delayed

[plain panther]

[wispy rivet]

Q10 in faq

wait not that

iirc there used to be a sentence that read "the room will be investigated after cancellation"

cant find it now but there's this at least #1072075497523126312 message

[plain panther]

[wispy rivet]

but yeah i do agree that the rules for "cancelling just because" need to be clearer

[still arrow]

Ayo

15 match to play

[echo fossil]

today is a good day to throw

[brave ice]

Every day of this season was good to throw, it seems

[echo fossil]

ok i'm kinda cooking rn

please don't throw last 2 games

https://tenor.com/view/saruman-palantir-gif-19765279

what are those constant match cancels

is someone win trading or what

[teal sparrow]

People just be people

[fringe estuary]

match fixing huh

i'd love to have 20+ free win in AS please

[pulsar flare]

darkshrine caught in 4k

[echo fossil]

naurr

+1 lose

can't do much when opponent plays 2 operas round 1 and keeps triggering them

[teal sparrow]

It is what it is at that point

[echo fossil]

it was also such a weird deck

i'm so salty now

[pulsar flare]

takti sorry for the higroll

[teal sparrow]

Oh, you don't need to apologise. I'm just playing for primos atm and didn't wanna mess up your WR

[echo fossil]

and now i'm playing rnx with the word starting hand possible

it's joever

no gamblers turn 3 too

meanwhile

[still arrow]

Ningg big E at 6dmg truust

[echo fossil]

highrollers

man

these 2 last loses were so undeserved

they were making so many mistakes but got away with it because they just have everything ready in their hand and no need for dice fixing

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/992404751939543060/1080790913590243358/8CCD55F6-7D6B-4BBE-AFE2-998294043C1A.gif

[oak trench]

Don't worry, you probably won't end up as I did 😄 (0-5)

[echo fossil]

there go my chances

unless i make a perfect run tomorrow and people on leaderboard will lose

which is highly unlikely

[tough dock]

ffs spent 1hr on a game just to draw

[teal sparrow]

Verified stall mirror moment

[exotic shadow]

ugh I had a game like that yesterday

they had barbara, kokomi and ningguang with 3 general's helmets

I won in the end because Noelle is the superior slow deck but it was only after I had drawn all my cards

[bitter terrace]

In term of stall decks Ning is the superior one

You only won coz you played better than your opponent

They had the advantage

[plain panther]

Already lost twice today

[echo fossil]

🫂

[tough dock]

yeah on round 14 they only had Dehya left i had Ning burst ready to kill but i got frozen, i should of been more agressive. It was a Layla/ Dehya/ Kokomi deck

[echo fossil]

at least we get our primogems

[exotic shadow]

I do think my deck was better but mostly because I had better cards

[echo fossil]

that's what matters

:clueless:

right

[tough dock]

Imma switch things up

[echo fossil]

why not Layla/Babala/XQ?

seems better on paper

[plain panther]

I play against kaito

[echo fossil]

🫡 gl

[plain panther]

[teal sparrow]

Behold, the last time I'll be on LB this season

[tough dock]

gg's

[plain panther]

One more lose, I'll quit (no chance to be on leaderboard)

[still arrow]

How much lose ?

Wait, oh, Vesta

[blazing gull]

I I have some lost matches but I'm playing for the cardback and tie primos

[celest thicket]

gg @tough dock u never playedagainst my deck ?

[tough dock]

can you confirm, i have many times

[celest thicket]

confirmed, u let me stack beidou so thatswhy

[tough dock]

I knew what you was going to play, I just didn't get your Razor down enough

[celest thicket]

is finaly good against mew ?

[still arrow]

I hear yes, but idk personnaly I never play FiNaLy

[celest thicket]

because isaw somany mew

[plain panther]

I give up

[still arrow]

[plain panther]

No chance for me for the leaderboard anymore

[echo fossil]

yes because finaly often runs joyous

and also because overload reaction itself is good against it

[viscid wadi]

MEW just runs pretty low defencive options rn

[still arrow]

16 - 5

...

When I could have easiily been in 18 - 3

[tough dock]

13-1 I need to catch up quickk

[autumn nexus]

my god eu is a bloodbath

rank 1 already at 7 loss and theres still 5 games to go

[celest thicket]

it's not only me who faced so many metadeck

[mild birch]

Dude no way my sauce spread to Europe

@dire crow check this out

[echo fossil]

had "at the speed of light" playing in my head for a moment

actual brainrot

[dire crow]

Oh nice also I guess I am in the Europe thread now

[tough dock]

does it contain Vererans? cuz that shii what they did in the game was toxic with Dehya Veterans

[mild birch]

yes

[mild birch]

#1019182719311298570 message

i got rid of clam tho

[solemn burrow]

I lost to that deck actually, so annoying to face if you play stall into it

[still arrow]

What-

7 loss

And also, only 3 people have 30matchs so

Wait

But yeah EU and loss is a love story

[hearty thorn]

btw i had a Person calles Sumi whic was AR 35, but also quite long on this Server, so I suspected it has to be a 2nd Account made for the Event I tired to report it, but luckliy nothing happen, I am just curious if Sumi is known or not

[valid lagoon]

I think they are from Asia/CN. I dont think they have 2 EU accounts. They were top 16 last CTG

[wispy rivet]

@thorny mesa ayawah i was supposed to cancel

now you have to wait 15min instead of me

[thorny mesa]

its cool i have time to spare 🫂

i usually play with music on so ill just vibe for 15 minutes

[wispy rivet]

alright then

[tough dock]

good luck everyone

[viscid wadi]

those short seconds i am top 1

[tough dock]

The mindplay with rerun matches

[blazing gull]

I played against that person

[valid lagoon]

My friend told me sumi is an EU account of diarin (top player from SEA iirc). Playing on multiple regions is "discouraged", but isn't explicitly against the rules

[tough dock]

I just played Sumi now

[blazing gull]

did you win?

[tough dock]

Yeah

But i lost twice in a row to Re_0, still fuming, i cannot believe i let an invader beat me twice

[blazing gull]

I think i've never lost twice against the same person

[oak trench]

Well I lost twice to 3 out of 4 persons I played twice with.

[wispy rivet]

who is this re_0 person is that a re-zero reference

[valid lagoon]

I am curious too, they have insane winrate

[wispy rivet]

:ayawah: now i wanna know who won against them

on another note, my electricity is back so now i can queue

[blazing gull]

the only thing i can show off is that I won against estes

[wispy rivet]

you're still first also are you actually an abba fan, as in the music group? :yaethunk:

[viscid wadi]

became yesterday)

[wispy rivet]

🦤gasp

[mild birch]

i love europe.

[median mauve]

Every region is cope

We all suck at the game

🦤

[blazing gull]

Some of us more than others

[blazing gull]

I still think Asia is gotta be hardest

[median mauve]

🦤

Not sure about that

It’s probably true though

[blazing gull]

If you look at the Asia leader board the first one only lost 3 games

[median mauve]

That’s just an outlier

An anomaly

[oak nest]

maybe its all doing the lantern rite at the last minute - i am, so im skipping this one 😄

[blazing gull]

I'm speedrunning the event

[still arrow]

3-0 lesgo, ill be taking my cardback tyvm

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

[alpine crystal]

:D

But im washed

[echo fossil]

if you look at it from another angle, given just how random tcg may be at times, it can also mean that the skill ceiling of the opponents that person met was significantly lower

[crystal schooner]

eu seems so chill

[echo fossil]

yeah rip

at least I got my primogems

[teal sparrow]

I mean it's better than me. I'm sitting 42nd rn

This season has my worst performance yet

[maiden harness]

In this season a played with only 4 no meta decks, all the rest was meta decks

[still arrow]

I'm also washed

[plain panther]

I'm always washed as usual

[teal sparrow]

I'm not washed because I never was good

[still arrow]

3 loss that I foolishly lost

Lost against a Sucrose EC aya

[still arrow]

More easy for me, VentiZ VentiZ VentiZ

[blazing gull]

Wel l I somehow manage to win the first game of the day

[tough dock]

wait when did PPpig get on EU leader board?

[blazing gull]

that's my question too

Maybe he speedrun today all the games?

[maiden harness]

admins don't care about multiserver

[tough dock]

yeah i know but i have not saw his name for like ever and i play 1 match and he is 1st?

[blazing gull]

speedrun?

[teal sparrow]

EU is just the AS subregion trust

[maiden harness]

I get the feeling that yes

[crystal moon]

he was earlier named sherry

[teal sparrow]

Generally you can tell if someone's from AS in the match room because it'll display room rules in their language

[brave ice]

Washed player who went 5-0 in weekly before ctg

[still arrow]

Meh, I stop the CTG here, 24/35 and no time for finish

For my real first CTG with only VentiZ and too much missplay, eh that's fine

[wispy rivet]

honestly it's a pretty good score considering ventiz isn't meta

also the classic arties are pog. you have my trust

[still arrow]

classic arti ?

Nah

[wispy rivet]

the non-magic arties

wait don't tell me your list runs gilded dreams 🦤gasp

[still arrow]

I'm on a hybrid

[blazing gull]

raibow decks are meta now with glided

[still arrow]

Rarely use Gilded for dice

It's for the fix

[wispy rivet]

but do you still run the elemental arties? :yaethunk: like the og VentiZ list

[blazing gull]

i normally use it as a dice fixer but i run them with lyre

[still arrow]

Shimenawa

[wispy rivet]

hmge

i guess it's a more modern version

that's fine ig

[still arrow]

The elemental arti are too restrictive

And not very useful

[wispy rivet]

ayawah that's true but i don't want to acknowledge such a reality 😭

[still arrow]

First version of my VentiZ was with Electro and Anemo arti but that's meh

[blazing gull]

the ones that disccount?

[still arrow]

Shimenawa better and don't need more

[still arrow]

Da

[still arrow]

patpat

[wispy rivet]

do you actually run shimenawa or just the capricious visage

[still arrow]

2cost

I've cope the 3cost and just no x)

[wispy rivet]

[still arrow]

"Eeeeh maaaybe", No.

[wispy rivet]

i've seen the 3-cost one see use with characters who've prepare skills, like electro cube and sayu

but yeah otherwise, no

[still arrow]

Like only a lyre x)
Sometime useful for 1 dice Gilded or 1 dice discount for Shimenawa 2cost

But not more

[wispy rivet]

man i still have 6 matches left. hope i can finish them in the next timeslot

[still arrow]

9 matchs for me and I need to sleep early so I stop here x)

[wispy rivet]

today i wasted so much time- first because opponent wouldn't confirm match result so i had to contact mods, second cuz stall v stall

[blazing gull]

I had for today 7

[blazing gull]

I got against ninguang stall but early egg saved me and won the game

[wispy rivet]

🦤gasp

[still arrow]

@wispy rivet like I say, hybrid x)

[blazing gull]

they kill my main damage dealer like in secod round or something like that

[still arrow]

And 2 seed surely too much

[wispy rivet]

i see. looks like a really fun list ngl :yaethunk:

[still arrow]

Da

And work well

Maybe remplace 1 seed and 1 mao

[wispy rivet]

mao seems a bit sus with only 5 food

[still arrow]

yeah x)

[wispy rivet]

also mond reso where

[still arrow]

1 is nice but 2 meh

[blazing gull]

and double mao even more

[still arrow]

Bad

I don't like it

[wispy rivet]

:dodogasp:

[still arrow]

Why Mondsadt réso

[wispy rivet]

at least 1 copy can be good situationally

[still arrow]

WHEN VENTI

EXPLAIN ME

Aya

[wispy rivet]

ayawah

[still arrow]

I just don't understand the point

Mona + Venti

Why Mondsadt réso ;-;

[wispy rivet]

well you could do like 4 actions in a round with mond reso + venti + fish and chips

[still arrow]

But the arti package with the card arti (idk the name, give dice when discard) and arcane + bow is goodge

[wispy rivet]

boar princess

[still arrow]

Gni
You need 11 dice for
2 food + 2 2 2 3 action

[wispy rivet]

should be possible if you have mao and do some magic ig. but yeah not really practical

[still arrow]

I should test for maybe less restrictive fish but really not a fan of the Mondsadt réso

[still arrow]

pitastonks this card

I love this card

I've 2 dice ? Nah you looked at it wrong

Good dice without gilded not restric in this specific arti

[plain panther]

I'm just a weak player who can't even pass preliminary matches

[velvet jungle]

today witnessed a beautiful bug, a keqing double killed my characters with FWOF then got 2more moves before i get the turn again

[teal sparrow]

So Keqing got 3 attacks and you still had dice?

[velvet jungle]

had 3 dice for mona,tbh couldn't do anything even before that so it was kinda cool

[teal sparrow]

That's kinda wild

I wonder if Fresh Wind saw 2 die and the code went "let them attack again" twice

[sharp scroll]

hold

does it really work like that

[white burrow]

do you have a screen shot of that moment? I might know what happened but without sc it is hard to tell

[raven ember]

An opponent left without confirming and now I'm stuck in limbo, what do I do?

paimon won't let me cancel either because I already initiated confirmation...

nvm I got thrown out of the chat

Can I still get the win?
Is there any consequence?

nvm, leaderboards got updated

[still arrow]

alright time to ruin someones potential top 16, queue up people

[deep sandal]

Huh did pppig disguise themselves as sherry

And revealed themselves now

[velvet jungle]

26 cards no bennet talent card

[deep sandal]

Or did sherry disguise themselves as pppig

This is confusing

[teal sparrow]

When your WiFi dies so you can't play your last 5 games

[wispy rivet]

oof that's terrible :worrypat: my electricity died yesterday and i could only play one match. can't imagine having it happen on the last day

so i can understand your pain

[valid lagoon]

I am extremely frustrated right now... I really wanted to do better than last CTG, but I got 1-4 today and I can only blame myself for bad play

[blazing gull]

Contact the bot, then they will ask for a video and then it's wait and after the competition ends they will revised your case

[valid lagoon]

I don't like to rant, but I am so disappointed in myself

[teal sparrow]

I won't make lb anyways but I wanted to see if I could place higher. Rn my stats this season is worse than last

[wispy rivet]

:worrypat:

i think in general people just have more losses this season

[valid lagoon]

Maybe, but I am really sad, because some of my misplays were quite obvious and I lost simply because my opponents played better than me

[teal sparrow]

I really really hope they do something about Gilded Dreams

[blazing gull]

I don't think they will

[velvet jungle]

shift+Del

[blazing gull]

Last time only got nerfev vurukasha and tm

[teal sparrow]

Rainbow decks themselves are fine. The trade off used to be more consistent reactions but loss of resonance. Now there's no downside to artifact engine in rainbow

You can play perfectly with the information you have and your opponent can go from 0 dice to potentially KO

[blazing gull]

Pyro resonance is a really good card

[blazing gull]

But also with yeth now

[teal sparrow]

I still don't think Jeht is that good but I'm probably missing something

[blazing gull]

Yeth it's kinda risky to play

[valid lagoon]

I like both magic and jeht, but I always liked whatever is meta

[teal sparrow]

Jeht just feels win more

Like if you're bursting for Jeht after all that set up you've probably already won

[blazing gull]

When you wanna play jeth is more obvious what you are doing by running that many companion cards

[brave ice]

They both did this

[tough dock]

Why is everyone using LS now??

[raven ember]

The system still gave me the points, and my opponent just disappeared without saying anything after their loss, do I still have to go through this procedure?

[deep sandal]

Who's the real PPpig and who's real Sherry tho?

[thorny mesa]

for me its because i hate playing gilded

[crude crater]

[brave ice]

They was reversed during preliminaries, but now their names are correct (PPpig is 1st and Sherry is 5th)

[blazing gull]

Men what's with people conceding the game

[crude crater]

these invaders scared of EU peeps

smh

[blazing gull]

My last game and they gave up

I was gonna win anyways but men let me do the final hit

[brave ice]

I think it was to keep people distracted

[crude crater]

[velvet jungle]

i thought this season would be different...

[shrewd sage]

hey, I couldn't find it while scrolling through the faq just now, and it doesn't even affect me, but out of curiosity: what are the tiebreaker rules for the top16 cutoff?

[thorny mesa]

its at Q14

[shrewd sage]

oh thanks

[thorny mesa]

assuming players have played all 35 games which basically all lb players have then it comes down to strikes and then time

[shrewd sage]

so essentially, if you're about to barely make top 16, you should play your sunday matches at 8am? 😂

[thorny mesa]

unfortunately yes

[blazing gull]

Yes

A lot of people will have the exact same points

[thorny mesa]

and that is usually at 26-9

[shrewd sage]

do the leaderboards reflect this immediately or will they update after everyone is finished?

[blazing gull]

Unless you have strikes

[blazing gull]

They updated every 60 seconds

[thorny mesa]

they do reflect it now

although strikes may take some time after that but they usually dont

[blazing gull]

It takes about 1 day

I had to strike one person and now another one

But after night queue end they start with the strikes and stuff

[thorny mesa]

yeah but the chances that a player at the bottom of the top 16 has a strike that is not yet counted is very low so in most cases the leaderboard you see at the end of the last timeslot is the final one

[blazing gull]

Yeah that's true

[shrewd sage]

ok so people with 25-10 right now, that are below the 16th either have atleast 1 strike, or finished their games later than 13-16th

[blazing gull]

Yes

[thorny mesa]

correct

[shrewd sage]

nice thx for explaning

[blazing gull]

Probably ended later

Getting a strike is really weird, there aren't a lot of ways of getting one

[shrewd sage]

imagine trying to be sus in a tournament like this

[blazing gull]

Yeah

It's a game it's not like you're life is on the line. Just have fun and chill

[shrewd sage]

i find it quite impressive to have a whole system like this running on a discord server

especially cuz it seems to work so well

[blazing gull]

The power of money

[mild birch]

@meager torrent can you play NA next ctg?
sincerely, a fan.

[sterile latch]

NA is too easy

not worth playing in

[mild birch]

play both!

[sterile latch]

looking like

11 or even 12 losses makes it in NA

10-12

[mild birch]

yeah this season is crazy

maybe i shouldnt have been lazy

[blazing gull]

It's beyond of crazy

[sterile latch]

who let this sherry guy on NA lb

[wispy rivet]

ayawah missed the lb by 1 :gldge:

[blazing gull]

And if you look at the Asia server lb the first guy only lost 4 games

[sterile latch]

i know theres at least 1 more person who only lost 4 games in asia just lurking right below lb

man i coulda been the only 3 loss person if i didnt throw against kenki

[blazing gull]

Kenki?

[wispy rivet]

how many times did you lose to kenki players?

[blazing gull]

Magu kenki?

[median mauve]

I could have been undefeated if I just didn't lose

[sterile latch]

surely i dont choke today

[median mauve]

:sadge:

[blazing gull]

I didn't find any kenki

[sterile latch]

kevinz gets it

[median mauve]

Unlucky

[sterile latch]

[blazing gull]

Same hahahaha

[median mauve]

Ok but I memed too much early

[sterile latch]

wait

kevin

[median mauve]

Literally stomping people the final days :deadge:

[sterile latch]

where are you on lb

[median mauve]

7th

[sterile latch]

oh

27-6

[blazing gull]

Wait did you won me with a meme deck?

[sterile latch]

finish ur games

[median mauve]

Me and binzu be chilling together

[wicked echo]

why finish when you can sit

[sterile latch]

dont let this ppig guy get 1st

[wicked echo]

i snipe them r2 of knockouts

[median mauve]

I want primos

so

:sitklee:

[mild birch]

🦤

[blazing gull]

I saw pppig in the invitational last month and I gotta say I liked some of the decks he used

[wispy rivet]

question; is the prize money according to prelim lb or the knockout results?

[sterile latch]

ko results

[blazing gull]

Ko

[tough dock]

whelp, im out. Time to cause havoc in NA CTG

[wispy rivet]

how many european players are on the lb rn :yaethunk:

[blazing gull]

That's a good question without answer

[sterile latch]

by my count 7

[blazing gull]

I want to know how many are playing this season so I can know if I did really bad or just average

[wispy rivet]

yeah about half from my guess as well

[sterile latch]

so many alters

well

[wispy rivet]

how about na?

[sterile latch]

cant say anything about it since i did alt a season awhile ago

uhh

[blazing gull]

Well there's no rule against it

[sterile latch]

at least 11

could be 12 idk

but NA lb will also change a bunch in a few hours

[wispy rivet]

hmge i got the exact same result as the previous ctg, which was my PB

this means that LS isn't any stronger than BIN

[blazing gull]

Bin?

[wispy rivet]

barbara itto noelle

[blazing gull]

Stalls

[mild birch]

ill play a few. gonna make the lb score look more cope hopefully.

[wispy rivet]

tbf i don't have much experience with LS so i can't be a fair judge

but yeah

[mild birch]

bin is the solution we need to end ls dominance

unnerf itto

!!!

[wispy rivet]

i feel like bin has better mu against mew and yelan but worse against finaly compared to ls

[blazing gull]

He was nerfed?

[mild birch]

he was arguably the best character in the game

top meta shit

real quality

until it was nerfed

[blazing gull]

I do remember itto killing my full hp characters

[wispy rivet]

man i feel like i got lied to. i faced only 1 finaly this entire ctg

[tough dock]

LS Gets beaten by Finaly & any Dendro Magic/mid-range

[wispy rivet]

what's the point of ls if there's no finaly

[wispy rivet]

huh ls beats finaly

[mild birch]

it's not that huge of a advantage

[wispy rivet]

i mean according to the data we have

it's like 66% iirc ls wins

[sterile latch]

according to the data we have in 4.4

ls sucks

this patch

and even manages to lose to finaly

[tough dock]

I have not once lost an match to LS with Finaly, I just beat one in CTG

[sterile latch]

but probably variance

[blazing gull]

Only!!

[tough dock]

I have a Video of me beating Pilot's LS with it

[sterile latch]

bc last patch there was a decent chunk more data and finaly lost more often than not

against an NA player

doesnt count

[wispy rivet]

i guess we just don't have any good data

to say anything conclusive

i wish ctg released player data

would be so good

[tough dock]

i just played a Russian guy who was LS....okay since im out of CTG i will tell you the trick

[blazing gull]

Nahida seeds

With nahida ls is relatively easy win

[deep sandal]

Pretty sure you just spam dendro and then pressure them with reactions

[sterile latch]

back in my day nahida was the ultimate stall break

[mild birch]

bring back oceanid!

[tough dock]

Start with Nahida,
They will start on Kokomi (thinking you will be Fischl)
Get Dendro on like most characters
then on alternating rounds Stack Fischl + Lyney summon
as when in pairs they cannot cleanse

[deep sandal]

You threaten reactions until they are forced to mess up cuz either they cleanse and give you bloom or you proc reaction which is the same

[wispy rivet]

meh

[dire crow]

Hopefully even 13 can make it (⬅️ extreme level kopium)

[wispy rivet]

according to the github it's ls 9-7 finaly

[deep sandal]

And then you also have the funny artifact to snipe a char after they've ended round

Plus you (hopefully) run 2x adeptus to mess with their minds even more

[tough dock]

have a match with me and we can see

[blazing gull]

I only run one with finaly

And one egg because sometimes the egg can mean winning or lossing

[wispy rivet]

:ayawah: even if either of us wins it won't say anything about the matchup cuz it's a sample size of 1

besides you're a better player than me

[deep sandal]

I personally really enjoy 2x adeptus cuz I usually swap to Lyney after having charged nahida burst so I have a nuke ready as soon as Lyney dies/I draw a fast swap

[blazing gull]

And dice cringe can also happen

[wispy rivet]

yeah. so we should do a best of 20

that should be good enough

[deep sandal]

And egg in FiNaLy is cope imo cuz your deck should be built in a way that allows every single one of your characters to finish the game

Ig it depends on whether you run Chef Mao or not

But I don't like him eather

[blazing gull]

The egg almost always gets tuned

[deep sandal]

Maybe it's just my playstyle with FiNaLy but I've never had a situation where I thought "oh egg would've won me the game"

[wispy rivet]

:yaethunk: i think egg is okay

[blazing gull]

I started running egg like 2 or 3 days ago

[wispy rivet]

we've seen it win games in asia invitational

[blazing gull]

And it was worth it

[deep sandal]

But as I said, a good FiNaLy deck should be able to close out on any character with the help of cards like ihly/tandoori/adeptus/lotus/gilded imho

[blazing gull]

I do run food cards, but as said before, in the Asia invitational egg maded the difference in some games so I decided to try it

[mild birch]

egg is arguably more effective in invitational

than prelims

bc it;s open decklist so your opponent has to play around it

[wanton grove]

egg does help finishing games with unexpected reaction or extra action to kill you

[blazing gull]

I know

[wanton grove]

we can't rely on this info too much because of little sample size, imo

unless it's cn tourneys ig

where there's a lot, lot more competitive players and high chances they're equal in skill

[wispy rivet]

yeah the sample size is def not high enough but it is cn tourneys i think? idk i can't read chinese https://gjfleo.github.io/summoners-summit/en/teams/4-3

[blazing gull]

Yelan otk it's still pretty strong

[sterile latch]

small negative delta on egg

not enough to say anything about it in one direction or the other conclusively

[wispy rivet]

ayawah that's really small

prolly like 1 game or something

[wanton grove]

deck-dependant as well

:gladge:

[wispy rivet]

sweet madame on the other hand tho 👁️ 👁️

[sterile latch]

wdym really small

[visual iron]

guys, i won 3 matches, so i get the cardback right?

[sterile latch]

0.007

oh

yeah

[wispy rivet]

yeah

[wanton grove]

chef mao stonks

[sterile latch]

its 2 games i think

[wispy rivet]

yep but it takes a long time for the card back to be sent. expect to wait for a few months

[visual iron]

yeah im still waiting for s1 cb

[blazing gull]

Yep

[wispy rivet]

[blazing gull]

Damm

[wanton grove]

still no cardback from the previous seasonXDD

[wispy rivet]

indie game company. not stronk enough to send carbacks fast

😔

[wanton grove]

but cn got it early

[wispy rivet]

2024s1?

[wanton grove]

yea

iirc

[thorny mesa]

can confirm as the ls player

[visual iron]

Last season i played all 35 games, and got burnt out because the games are too long for me, very hard to play with work and college, so tonight i grinded the 3 wins xd

[blazing gull]

Lmao

If you play stall decks expect to spend a lot of time

[thorny mesa]

im still kinda mad about that egg

[blazing gull]

I like stall but decided to play more aggro to make it faster

[sharp scroll]

wait
is it really that hard to beat finaly on ls? which side is gaslighting me?

[blazing gull]

Wait was it you? I don't remember discord names

[thorny mesa]

it was indeed me

[blazing gull]

The ninguang stall

[sharp scroll]

i believe ls can survive finaly most of the time

[thorny mesa]

yeah the one that killed lyney out of nowhere and got egged on yeah

[blazing gull]

O men I was laughing when I saw I could kill your ninguang my egg

[thorny mesa]

its tough

its possible but not most of the time

[blazing gull]

Yeah

[sharp scroll]

i did both win and lose that matchup on finaly
I'd say there was a clear skill difference between those who lost and won

[wanton grove]

for me it's the other way
fast games Ineed to stack up your cards in a great way
in stall I'm just going for nice long plays

[blazing gull]

Says the persons who lost hahahha

[thorny mesa]

just the fact that most of your stuff applies hydro to you and they have nahida for blooms makes it rough

[thorny mesa]

i mean ive also won finaly matchups

[blazing gull]

I got that matched in my fav list

[wanton grove]

cleansing bloom isn't the worst though
it's better than giving away burning or quicken

[thorny mesa]

its probably something like 4-2 or 4-3 this ctg

[sharp scroll]

this

[blazing gull]

Yep

[thorny mesa]

definitely not the worst matchup ever but a good player can make it really really hard for you to win

[thorny mesa]

yeah but when the better option is giving them 2 free damage that doesnt sound too good 😭

[sharp scroll]

get 1 energy on everyone and then go for barb burst

tenacity belongs to barb

[blazing gull]

I run tenacity on Barbara and ninguang

[thorny mesa]

oh ive done that and still died very very hard

[blazing gull]

Kokomi is the sacrificial lamb of the Deck

[wanton grove]

huh? you lose 2 dmg instantly
but in the long run you're avoiding ~3dmg and delaying nahida seeds with high chance

plus if you stack blooms for them, you're winning even more

[thorny mesa]

yeah ik its the better option

its just an option that they could still easily take advantage of

[blazing gull]

Barbara skill it's a double edge sword

[oblique niche]

Hii sorry to interrupt just checking that if i have 3 wins in the preliminary i get the card back correct?

[thorny mesa]

its just the better of two evils

[wanton grove]

and it's your job to not let them do it

[sterile latch]

yes

[thorny mesa]

yepyep

[blazing gull]

Yep

[oblique niche]

Ty :D

[sharp scroll]

barbara heals for 3 and gives them 2 more damage, that's still 📈

think about it

[blazing gull]

Can clean and apply and you can take advantage of it

[thorny mesa]

yeah ik

[sterile latch]

ignoring cleanses

one barbara skill goes +8 in value

when barb nerf

[thorny mesa]

actually real af

[sharp scroll]

and even more if you cleanse electro

[thorny mesa]

i believe i just talked about a barb nerf to either izuna or silky after our game today

[blazing gull]

Not always, but yeah Barbara skills is really good

[sharp scroll]

barb burst has the highest fixed value

[sterile latch]

barb skill and burst both have insane theoretical value

its crazy how often calx burst instantly ends the game

[blazing gull]

I don't remember talking about Barbara I remember talking about the egg and maime or whatever is the name of the card

[thorny mesa]

ok so it was with silky yeah

[sharp scroll]

calx is so annoying
it's often a single card to decide the match

[thorny mesa]

unless your calx turn gets egged 😔 cough cough izuna cough cough

[blazing gull]

I don't play genshin in English so what is the calx?

[thorny mesa]

the energy sharing card

[sharp scroll]

and there were even more decks that took advantage of it earlier

[blazing gull]

You called me?

[thorny mesa]

1 cost take 1 from your other characters

[blazing gull]

Oh thx

[blazing gull]

I know I know

[thorny mesa]

[blazing gull]

It's just some names change a lot between English and other languages

[blazing gull]

I'm open to play more times, I really enjoyed the game

[thorny mesa]

im basically always down for some tcg if im online on genshin

[blazing gull]

Then we will play more games in the future

Coop is not always the best way of testing new decks

[sterile latch]

hi liliba

[hollow turtle]

why do Kevin stop at the score of 277

[sterile latch]

idk

i think hes trying to fix his leaderboard position

to get the r1 opponent he wants

[fringe estuary]

[wanton grove]

why did binzu stop at 27/5 is my question

[hollow turtle]

[wicked echo]

He will end same score as you dw

[wanton grove]

binzu why

[fringe estuary]

Binzu vs kenvinz 1st round

[wicked echo]

so i can face first place r2

[thorny mesa]

yeah rmm is just kinda dead most of the time for me 😭

[blazing gull]

My average time is like 3 minutes waiting for someone to pop

[wanton grove]

[thorny mesa]

yeah and then you start only matching against that same person 3 times in a row

[sterile latch]

stop bullying the liliba

[fringe estuary]

[sterile latch]

kevin beats him enough already dont need binzu to too

[hollow turtle]

but have to win Kevin r1

[sterile latch]

[wanton grove]

who's bullying tho

[blazing gull]

yep

[wanton grove]

it's only me getting bullied by sherry

:gldge:

[sterile latch]

obligatory

[wicked echo]

thats not the problem

[wanton grove]

[sterile latch]

also wont kevin end 28-7

if he had a match that didnt count

whats binzu talking about

[wicked echo]

[wanton grove]

binzu

nya!

https://tenor.com/view/anime-nekopara-vanilla-neko-nya-gif-19812584

[wicked echo]

also maybe i should have just gone for first place

[sterile latch]

no kidding

[wicked echo]

nah beating first place > being first place

[wanton grove]

I have similar wr to binzu I can be proud

[sterile latch]

man i did the same thing this season as last

started 1-1

into 6-2

[blazing gull]

I won a top 3 and it did felt good but it didnt make my rank changed that much

[sterile latch]

into not losing a game forever

[wanton grove]

:kleesob:

[wicked echo]

i started last season like 10-0

man i suck

[sterile latch]

[wanton grove]

[wicked echo]

now i lost early

[sterile latch]

just dont lose in 1st round of KOs again

[wanton grove]

:sitklee:

[sharp scroll]

"just don't lose"

[sterile latch]

although

[blazing gull]

isn't ko best of 3?

[sterile latch]

2 top 16s guarantees top 24 for serious showdown anyways

oh right

we can total points now

for EU

see who made it

wait

im dumb

ignore me

[wicked echo]

yeah and i thought of hiding my strenght and just losing

[wanton grove]

I rmb I was 17/5 and then boosted to 27/8
lost unloseable game coz my wifi crashed

[blazing gull]

i played last 2 games with my phone on a bus

that was a pain in the ass

[wanton grove]

my only issue with that would be being on a bus

hate those things

on a train it ain't a problem

[blazing gull]

u get used to it

[sterile latch]

i remember when i had an 8 am class i would be doing ctg during it

[sharp scroll]

depends on the road and bus quality

[sterile latch]

bc thats the only time i would ever get up early enough to make morning queue

[wanton grove]

doesn't matter to me

I can only tolerate them in cold weather, away from any heaters

[sharp scroll]

i c

[wanton grove]

the vibrations and smells exclusive to combustion engines

ew

[sterile latch]

ok kevin finished his games

[blazing gull]

i played one match during class

[wanton grove]

kevinge!!!

I always believed

[blazing gull]

hahaha

just discover that one of players i got matched today is a friend of one of my friends hahaha

[wanton grove]

we all know each other through seven handshakes

[sharp scroll]

everybody has "that one introveted friend", so it adds up to eight

[wanton grove]

[blazing gull]

hahaha

[wanton grove]

but what if i'm introverted

then it doesn't count for me

[sterile latch]

its me im the introverted friend

[wanton grove]

[brave ice]

Yeah, you talked to me and I agree

Though what makes stall broken now is mostly veteran visage arti

This needs quick nerf

[wanton grove]

if stall gonna get nerfed what's gonna happen to all the jehts and magic around

:sadge:

[still arrow]

And in my opinion Ninng help too much in soo mu

Stall give you the time to equip Ningg and after she can just one shot you
But maybe that's because I don't play decks with strong early pressure, surely that

Howerver, veteran visage give so much value yeah

For nerf Barbabruh I would like, she give like 6 heal + 2 cleanse lmao, but if they too much nerf Barbabruh I'm afraid that stall disappear

[thorny mesa]

Kill them too

The powerlevel of the format has been getting out of hand for a while so its about time we have a patch that just kills everything

[teal sparrow]

Wait are people saying Visage is good?

[dire crow]

Isn't it is on some decks like Bennett overload and Ningguang Barbara Kokomi? Personally I have lost multiple times against people who used that artifact

[echo fossil]

in some scenarios it can be good yes

[teal sparrow]

I'm just surprised I made a right call on the card when it was first shown. People were saying it didn't look too good but it's mini Tenacity

[thorny mesa]

Yeah we been saying that (i just dont play it because i like me some shields)

[teal sparrow]

The most important part of Visage is it trigger off-field

[blazing gull]

It's the one that gives you a dice when healing of reviving damage (?)

[teal sparrow]

Yeah

[sterile latch]

its very good

[blazing gull]

Again I don't play the game in English so the names changes

[sterile latch]

in barbara decks

[teal sparrow]

Heal/damage +1 dice then draw a card

[blazing gull]

I run it in the double anmeo stall

[sterile latch]

great pairing with TOTM

make it so your opp cant hit anyone

[blazing gull]

No without giving one free dices

[tough dock]

Yeah i used Visage in my LS deck on Kokomi

[dusk anchor]

You mean capricious visage is good

[mild birch]

dude visage is op

[teal sparrow]

I know it's good but when it was first revealed everyone I saw said it was bad so I was surprised I was right on it being good

[mild birch]

i remember when it first came out

and blep made a vid revewing the new cards

and said visage was the worst card of the patch

then i shilled visage so hard

and turn it around

[brave ice]

Because it wasn't clear that effect can be procced off-field. If that was working only on-field as most artifacts, it would be very mid, like worse vorukasha. But because it works off-field, it turns out you can easily abuse its value

[blazing gull]

Its a really handy artifact for deyha

[brave ice]

Yes, that as well

[blazing gull]

So how much time does it take to review all the games that didn't end well? I had to put 2 strikes on different players

So I'm not sure if it's already done and my score can't change anymore or it can

[wispy rivet]

takes 3-4 days after the tourney ends. it'll be announced in #tournament-updates so you'll know

[blazing gull]

Thx

[hasty veldt]

how many people played in the tournament?

[autumn nexus]

afaik over a thousand smt people got a win

[hasty veldt]

eu or all server combined?

[blazing gull]

all server i think

[still arrow]

https://i.gyazo.com/8e29d5f7421df6532151e84a031b61d3.png\

There we go 😤

[oak trench]

OK, so we shall expect ours on the end of preliminary of S3 :3

[blazing gull]

Think so

[oak nest]

ah, the blue iron card back is actaully prettier! i perhaps sholdve tried getting it, but since i dont use them usually at all, i didnt get it. im surprised they sent hte s1 so quickly though!

[still arrow]

So Enkanomiya cardback when

[median mauve]

Ok can I ask about the time you need to reserve for top 4?

How come the time for third place and finals is before semis even end?

[sterile latch]

[versed barn]

hold up, let me check it with the broadcast OP

and feel free to slide in the #📨contact-qixing for questions like this, cuz of the implied confidentiality over there

resolved, ty Kevin

[crystal schooner]

kevin u can start reserving now\

and si too

[sterile latch]

[crude crater]

[deep sandal]

[eager tendon]

I forgot about the tournament 🧍‍♀️

was wondering when the prm phase is happening

[blazing gull]

Well now is the knockout phase

[eager tendon]

good to know, at lest others didn’t forget

[blazing gull]

You can always play in the next season

[brave ice]

I was wondering where were you

Now we know

[eager tendon]

Silkyyyyy

yes I’m very forgetful, and something else has caught my mind this year so I got distracted a bit… next season I’ll be there

[brave ice]

Surely next season will be yours

[eager tendon]

and how your games went? any scary meta now you fear, perhaps?

[brave ice]

My games? Not the best I guess, problem is I was playing anti-FiNaLy deck but I almost never actually met FiNaLy

Instead it was a lot of stall so I was just giving them free wins on that deck

[wispy rivet]

omg silky i feel vindicated. i also was playing anti-finaly but met it only once 🫂

[eager tendon]

oh wow I see it’s not any better than last season then. I’m gonna need to check out new meta decks if there are ones to prepare for s3

[brave ice]

We both had same problem then

[brave ice]

Meta in next patches might be even worse but we have yet to see it, hopefully it will be better though

[wispy rivet]

next patch meta might be completely different depending on the balance changes coming in a week

[eager tendon]

I just know that the second Kuki Shinobu card drops it’s gonna be over 😭 idk maybe to me it only seems like a possibly strong card, but I got hopes

[wispy rivet]

ayawah the Big TCG lied to us

[wispy rivet]

kuki will help itto get out of jail and it'll be itto meta again trust

[eager tendon]

please no more Itto

Ive been escaping him for so long

[wispy rivet]

[leaden basalt]

I prefer Itto than magic
Itto was honest
Strong but honest

[brave ice]

That's the pure truth (he still was too strong though)

[solemn burrow]

No

Magic any day over Itto

Never bring him back please

[wanton grove]

just a matter of taste

[autumn nexus]

Randomly getting 16 dice is probably very entertaining to the casual viewers at least

[wanton grove]

nya!

[autumn nexus]

While everyone complains about slow gameplay featuring barb cleanse

[autumn nexus]

Nyaa~

[wanton grove]

nyahidyaaa

[wanton grove]

in a game with little animations going on there's little stuff viewers could focus on I guess:c

[wanton grove]

ooooo they have nahida sticker nowwwww

[hollow turtle]

@versed barn I doubt the fairness of using such 'mini games' to determine the winner in the knockout phase. The individual with better devices and network access could gain a significant advantage in the mini game. Also the rules do not specify the use of this method for deciding the winner.

'Mini game': the individual who replies to the message sent by Sussy Paimon first wins the game.

[sterile latch]

agree

[hollow turtle]

Another issue: the usage of such 'mini games' could encourage individuals to pretend they are unable to negotiate a suitable time when facing strong opponents.

[sterile latch]

^ this

bad precedent

[versed barn]

it's very unfortunate to resort to this method because both players are unable to schedule a time to play, mainly because the combination of timezone issue and final exams/assignments are coming up

[sterile latch]

can i dm

[versed barn]

it's kind of patchy to select a winner via this method, other ones with competiveness touch to them are being explored but im open to suggestion

[barren acorn]

more scheduling issues huh

[versed barn]

it only happens when both players consent it to happen within the 23h time window, outside of that, the TOs will forcefully do it, cuz time waits for no one

[versed barn]

yah, it happened more than it used to this time round

[fringe estuary]

Maybe a quick Bo1

same deck mirror

[hollow turtle]

I understand that you have to find out a way to determine the winner when players are unable to negotiate a suitable time, but this 'mini game' is definitely unfair. Even flipping a coin could be a better way.

At least it's a fair game.

[versed barn]

coin flipping is too RNG, a touch of competitiveness should be considered don't you think?

[dusk anchor]

Maybe add a line when if two player are unable to negotiate a time, then the match will happen at exactly 12:00 am or an X:00 time. Give 10 minutes window, and who doesn't show up lose.

[sterile latch]

*12 am being the time limit

[versed barn]

this is actually something nice to consider

[fringe estuary]

good idea

[versed barn]

with this, regional advantage could be achieved

like, the forcefully agreed time should be at a specific time, based on the server's local timezone

[fringe estuary]

but then i think the time window for 2 players scheduling should be like 23 hours and the time for force match is 1 hour

[versed barn]

i know a lot of peeps moving to EU cuz it's less heated here

[hollow turtle]

This would cause the problem that, one could claim to only have time to play at the fixed time and win the game as long as the opponent is unable to play at the time

[dusk anchor]

but that also means that you need to know the other person's schedule. I don't think people will go that deep into digging their opponent's lifestyle to get a free win.

[marble jacinth]

another option is to cancel the whole round entirely with no player advancing; this then making the next bracket player get a free win
but that has it's own issues which we've discussed

[hollow turtle]

i see

instead of using the fixed time, you can use a random time in a certain period

[keen epoch]

i do think having a fixed time to play your games when both opponents can't agree on a specific time is better than deciding who to advance with the "minigame"

[fringe estuary]

the force match schedule should be set at a comfortable time slot of that specific region

imo

[sterile latch]

if you do that then whens the next match gonna be played

it would need to be scheduled and played probably at the same time

[marble jacinth]

fwiw, we do have a fixed time per day for each bracket that we hope for players to play their games in; if neither player is able to play even with the fixed end time, then it kinda just becomes 'who responds first' again as mentioned with the minigame

[sterile latch]

surely having a 2 day window for each match fixes all the problems

[deep folio]

shift the 23-hour timeslot based on each region

it’s unfair if the force match is 12 am for na

[fringe estuary]

it would affect casters i think

for final and 3rd place

[marble jacinth]

online KO tournaments are hard to time manage just due to the diff in timezones, esp when we aren't able to control what happens in players' lives; doing the best we can with the 24hr time flexibility but there has to be a point where we can't delay the whole tournament up for one particular match yknow

[fringe estuary]

Well maybe ya guys can schedule the CTG sooner than usual for 2 days window in KO

[keen epoch]

a fixed time as in like exactly an hour before the time slot ends for example? well if neither player can play that is really unfortunate

[crude crater]

can i participate in the mini game or is it invite only

[crystal schooner]

can i participate in the mini game or is it invite only

[fringe estuary]

can i participate in the mini game or is it invite only

[sterile latch]

next time you make it to KOs juts say you dont have time if you think ur gonna lose

[fringe estuary]

Wise words from SI

[median mauve]

Strats that don't work for me :life:

[marble jacinth]

fixed as in the end of the timeslot that sussy sets per match room - usually will state in a message saying that both players should play and submit their results before x time in the day
if no consensus on game time happens by the end of the timeslot, then that's when we just see whatever player's online and can respond first

[dusk anchor]

that is the thing, you don't need to play, you just need to show up

[marble jacinth]

we might consider moving up the KO phase to Sunday perhaps, but tbh it's kinda a bandaid solution to this since it'd only be useful for one day

[marble jacinth]

yeh, that's the policy we essentially have in place atm, perhaps otherwise phrased as a minigame

[crystal schooner]

🦤

[keen epoch]

then yeah i do think there should probably be something like this before using the minigame
and only if both players can't login the game and play at that time you're forced to decide with something else

[fringe estuary]

Imagine Players in KO just need to show up on time to win while in Prelim we must duel 35 games

[leaden pond]

unfortunately that had to happen

[marble jacinth]

if we could manufacture time we would, but alas

[leaden pond]

I once worked as a staff member in another game and when neither people show up to a match it's just who responds first moves on

it is what it is, honestly

[marble jacinth]

you know the struggles

[thin jungle]

[upbeat salmon]

honestly a 24 hour window is kind of broad to try and coordinate in some sense, too much for a tournament setting

what if you split it into 3x 8 hour blocks and asked players to fill a form that makes them choose 2 of the 3 sections to play in, and then you just assign an 8 hour window from whatever overlapping selection, or even a specific time within that block?

[sterile flame]

Players should never have such direct control over outcomes because they'll bend it to their advantage.

Prelims are already scheduled during specific windows and people had to play 35 games to make it into KOs. Why can they suddenly not make it during those windows?

Rather than determining a winner through such uncompetitive means that, imo, goes against the integrity of an established esports tournament, maybe TOs should step in and set the schedule themselves if two players seemingly can't find a time.

[barren acorn]

ppl had a week to play in prelims, whereas each KO round is limited to 24hr

irl there are many events that prevent ppl from playing, even 3 games, during a specific 24hr window

[sterile flame]

I don't disagree. I like the discussion around 48 hour KO windows

But I do think that a TO setting the time for two players within prime queueing time for that region is fair too, and this is only if they can't find a slot

[barren acorn]

maybe KO players can report windows of when they can play directly to TO or bot? at least this bypasses the chance of someone specifically picking windows where the other player is unable to attend

[sterile flame]

Ooh like through a command

[barren acorn]

ya

[sterile flame]

Tbh I also think it's fine to not be so rigid on the time windows

Just communicate to the players they will be seeded into

It should be on a case by case basis

[barren acorn]

ya i think some suspect that ppl might intentionally mis-report their playable time based on their opponent's playable time

[sterile flame]

That's their problem. Players shouldn't ever do that

And it should be punishable

It's hard to enforce though

[barren acorn]

ya exactly

[sterile flame]

But this is why it's important to take that power out of players hands. If two players seemingly can't find a time window, the game is automatically assigned to the prime queueing time

Which is probably evening queue

And make the windows 48 hrs long

[barren acorn]

that makes sense!

[sterile flame]

In esports settings, it's important things are crystal clear with no room for negotiation

There's too much on the stake at this stage

[barren acorn]

[sterile flame]

I do agree that IRL events can totally get in the way, but once you've made it to this stage, the show must go on