because RMM and AoC would be fine, you can just fake it
#[America Server] Discussions
supple marsh
but what about invitation play
this is also why I said the app would not be released for PC/PS
tropic slate
it would have to be done carefully
I've had issues before with prince cup stuff specifically because I don't have the ability to play genshin impact on PC
I just don't own a computer that's compatible with it, so my options are PS5 (preferred) or my very small iphone SE, which isn't a great play experience and is several years old so doesn't have great specs
for wildcard and prince cup, I had to actually play on a really janky remote desktop setup and it was not fun, so it's important to make sure that any such app wouldn't exacerbate that problem
it needs to remain accessible to as many different platforms as the maingame
sacred marten
I've had issues before with prince cup stuff specifically because I don't have t...
Luckily it happened this year
Last year if you don't have a pc that can download another 200GB genshin
you will be disqualified
supple marsh
I've had issues before with prince cup stuff specifically because I don't have t...
I think for Prince Cup specifically the problem is connecting to the tournament server
sacred marten
So i have to wake up on6am to take train to my friend's house to play the game
supple marsh
I mean sure you can add the tournament server into the server selection menu, but
- people who don't play in tournaments will be confused
- the server selection menu does not exist on PS
and requiring players to edit the game files to join the tournament server is too much of an ask, and that's assuming the people in the dev team even feel like making those edits for players to apply
-# CN never needed it because they only have 1 server for the entire competitive region and they only deploy the tournament server and clients on LAN events anyway
rose perch
a ladder for ranked matchmaking would solve the problem. An in game tournament mode that has bans and pre selected decks. Would all instantly help the problem.
sacred marten
I really want a ladder
supple marsh
a ladder for ranked matchmaking would solve the problem. An in game tournament m...
hear me out: AoC rework
the current AoC does not demonstrate what the name is supposed to stand for
rose perch
what kind of rework like unlimited? keep going until you lose 3?
could be like heathstone arena if you get 12 wins get some gems or lucky coins
supple marsh
what kind of rework like unlimited? keep going until you lose 3?
just ranked BO3s, no more win streak shenanigans
and just for the purposes of the CN competitive system, instead of winning 5 games before losing 3, it's now just winning a BO3
-# for context: in CN, as it is currently, in order to take part in a tournament in the official competitive system, you have to complete at least 1 AoC run
rose perch
but it is against a random person. why would that random person commit to potential 3 games
that is a lot of time commitment
supple marsh
but it is against a random person. why would that random person commit to potent...
just a single BO3, so 3 games max
why would that random person commit to potential 3 games
I think the thing is that if you really want to play a competitive match, you agree that you have the time to commit to
if you need a quick game then you just shouldn't play it
if needed, the current AoC can be renamed
rose perch
that doesnt work well i dont think. even for the AOC right now I dont do 5 games in 1 sitting it like 1 game once in a while
supple marsh
what I'm saying is not that I want to remove a quick play mode, but rather to have a better metric for competitive play
as I've said, the current AoC can be renamed and kept as-is, while we make a new AoC
or we can keep the current AoC but the new mode becomes the new competitive play metric
it's just the AoC as it stands right now does not serve the purpose of proving one's ability to play competitively all that well
supple marsh
reward primos
this is where we have a problem
rose depot
that's what'll get normal folks to play more or less
rose perch
tcg players dont need primo they all playing on ar 30 alt accounts
rose depot
since anyone participating in cats tail or in the tcg discord are already not casual by default
supple marsh
that's what'll get normal folks to play more or less
here's the thing: the gacha populace will look at that and think it's forced primo
that it had to be cut from some arbitrary "per-version allowance"
rose perch
here's the thing: the gacha populace will look at that and think it's forced pri...
there is a lot of forced primo like you know if you twitch stream it is 1900 gems, if you youtube stream is it 2000 gems
supple marsh
there's a reason why when TCG was announced HoYo said "there's no reward for PvP"
rose depot
there are a lot of forced primos people dont go for already
it's really not the biggest deal
rose perch
if you know how to draw there is 1000 gems every month
rose depot
also could throw in a "win x amount of games for a chance to win a prize"
or hell, make a companion the prize
that'll make people interested
supple marsh
tbh I'd love if you earn more rewards the higher you place on the leaderboard
I think if rewards are given out based on performance and not just "do x for y reward" then the gacha populace can't say anything because it doesn't affect them
rose perch
that is just giving more to the tiny .000001 of the community and pulls in no one
supple marsh
this is where the paradox kicks in
rose depot
make a companion a reward for like 10 wins
or something
you really don't want a missable place X reward though
rose perch
I first join this discord for the welkin raffle and I play a few games got some rewards and kept playing. But now you spend all this time get nothing cuz of invaders it just not worth it anymore. I cant imagine the new player joining in's experience
supple marsh
make a companion a reward for like 10 wins
if it's something exclusive to TCG itself then I'd assume it's more strain put on the design team
but if it's a rerun of some item... idk
rose depot
companion is like, a seelie or something that follows you around
rose depot
idt making another companion would be too strenuous for the devs I would think?
you just mostly want to avoid tcg rewards to draw in the normal playerbase
supple marsh
I think every design takes time, you don't want to make a half-baked companion/teapot item/whatever just because it's for the TCG players and not the base game players
though tbh I think a path of low resistance would be to turn card backs into namecards
card backs, only TCG players care
but namecard? you can show it anywhere
and then just do it like CTG
win x matches for this card back + namecard combo
immediate TCG flex
honestly though the only problem with this idea is that then the Abyss/Theater peeps will ask "where is my seasonal namecard"
but they got other rewards anyway so idk
rose perch
if it's something exclusive to TCG itself then I'd assume it's more strain put o...
tea pot items, gliders, name cards, card backs, deck boxes are like 1 hours work for devs it so easy for them to make it is laughable
The low player count is actually cuz they keep repeating the same card back as reward i bet we lost at least 300 people cuz of that
supple marsh
tbh I'm not sure it takes little time to make
honestly I'm not in the industry but I'm sure it takes more than ~1hr
but yeah I can agree about the repeated card back thing
though tbf CN got it worse
molten peak
It's a shame open the LB just to see the top 3 being cross region players. First legit player only appear on 5th place. That's what happen when the organization doesn't care about sportsmanship
rose depot
Thought they already banned a multi accounted
molten peak
Not enough
Players are there and everyone know their alts
They don't even try to hide it
supple marsh
Thought they already banned a multi accounted
the rules allow multiaccounts as long as you don't play with more than 1 account in each server
it's just not encouraged for player sanity
supple marsh
still 8 games/4hrs
more than the daily quota
also some of these people have all the time in the world to queue anyway
oh and the new flex time extension as well
rose depot
Time extension only matters if you go above the tie break threshold
molten peak
the rules allow multiaccounts as long as you don't play with more than 1 account...
That's my point. It shouldn't be allowed. It hurt majority of players to benefit the only few same. As long the organization keep not taking any action towards this the players whom feel hurt by it will keep complaining about it.
Otherwise why not make a big global leader board?
But it's always the same we keep like dogs running in circles chasing our own tails and we never move it
supple marsh
there's a reason to all of your concerns: technical constraints
it is basically impossible to detect multi-region players without, idk, asking them to send in their national ID documents
which would cause privacy concerns
as for why not a global leaderboard: if the game had server crossplay then it could have gone that way
molten peak
it is basically impossible to detect multi-region players without, idk, asking t...
Yeah but u do that on wild card round... So it's possible to do it.
supple marsh
Yeah but u do that on wild card round... So it's possible to do it.
Wild Card is different:
- it was handled by a different TO (IO Esports in Pacific, WePlay in Atlantic), both of which should be more capable of handling personal data than CTG staff
- it was a one-off, not a recurring event
- the sole purpose of WC was to qualify players to Prince Cup. CTG, on the other hand, caters to casual players as well, so it's not ideal to ask them to do it in CTG
- not to mention that you only need to be of legal age to play Genshin to take part in CTG, while SS, WC and PC require you to be at least 18 years old; collecting all players' IDs in CTG could lead to data privacy law violations
twilit steppe
Yeah but u do that on wild card round... So it's possible to do it.
I think using IDs for online tournament is a bit too much 
well maybe it could be implemented for knockouts Idk
twilit steppe
Wild Card is different:
- it was handled by a different TO (IO Esports in Pacifi...
Oh wow I didn't realize that about the last part
pearl glade
It's a shame open the LB just to see the top 3 being cross region players. First...
m1ce is na player i believe
native na player
but yeah the rest is from other server
twilit steppe
I think using IDs for online tournament is a bit too much <:kirby:91293504177507...
Well I would do it if it's necessary, anything for Cat's Tail point I guess
pine heron
What do you guys want, restrict multi region so that you only have 300-400 players playing in all regions combined and then you wait for more long Q
molten peak
I think using IDs for online tournament is a bit too much <:kirby:91293504177507...
Bro I didn't meant took ID for a sh*t online tourney. What I meant it's there's way to keep track but they don't do it cause it will be more work for them
pine heron
There's already so less people playing and then do you think it will be held more seasons if the players are barely 100 in NA
polar barn
m1ce is na player i believe
lol
thick widget
It's a shame open the LB just to see the top 3 being cross region players. First...
What does sportamanship have to do with this
Hoyo allows it
If it's allowed, it's fair
pearl glade
lol
wait is it not? i see *int on ladder from time to time. 
int is his game name iirc
pine heron
molten peak
as for why not a global leaderboard: if the game had server crossplay then it co...
Instead of naming by regions as the globe the organization should just name time zone 1, 2 and 3 so we the CASUAL playerbase don't keep any illusions bout the supposed regions
pearl glade
😤
pine heron
👶
polar barn
cus it has me
fr
thick widget
||feels like NA should spend their time on improving instead of complaining about other players||
molten peak
Hoyo allows it
That's my point it shouldn't be. But nobody ever go deep enough into this so we keep punching the tip of the iceberg
polar barn
na isnt even easy
summer berry
If you think about it the reason why it’s split up into 3 different regions isn’t to limit the tournament to a single region
It’s because of server limitations
And in the end the problem people have with invaders is that they win
Which is just a skill issue
twilit steppe
I wish TCG is cross server, I don't even need my EU account if that's the case lol
twilit steppe
so just be like them
I wish I have their skill
molten peak
That's my point bro it's all the same cause they keep playing against each other
supple marsh
And in the end the problem people have with invaders is that they win
there's a second problem actually
and it's called season points
I don't mind if invaders take away prize money, they're probably just good
but points...
molten peak
||feels like NA should spend their time on improving instead of complaining abou...
As a pro player pls give me tips bout how and where to improve. Can u coach me? I can PayPal u 69420 usd
rose depot
and it's called season points
There’s no way cross region points transfer over right?
supple marsh
nope, not at all
rose depot
Ie if you place in na + Asia server cats tail, you don’t get points for both lol
Not to mention that this doesn’t matter
Because you can only use one account for these leaderboards
supple marsh
Ie if you place in na + Asia server cats tail, you don’t get points for both lol
basically, say you live in APAC (excl. Mainland China); if you earn points in both the Asia and the America servers, the America points are just voided, gone, poof
twilit steppe
There’s no way cross region points transfer over right?
Nope, I have like 4 points on NA but I can't transfer that to Asia. Also there was a case where someone think EU points can get transfered to AS but it has been proven that's not the case
rose depot
That sounds fine to me?
thick widget
As a pro player pls give me tips bout how and where to improve. Can u coach me? ...
"It's all about value" -KevinZ
Now go win
supple marsh
That sounds fine to me?
imagine what happens when a Chinese player living in China gets first place in a CTG
that's 130 points being gone, never to be seen again
molten peak
"It's all about value" -KevinZ
Sorry if I'm trash for u. But I can't tell I feel the same
rose depot
Donate some wins to me please
rose perch
It is so simple. ID check for money pay out. Cuz you need to pay taxes on game prize money anyways. Not in NA = no prize money solves everything
rose perch
lets the cross servers play for fun that is what they are claiming just to have fun right. Take away money prize let them have fun
rose depot
It is so simple. ID check for money pay out. Cuz you need to pay taxes on game p...
You let them file their own taxes
thick widget
Sorry if I'm trash for u. But I can't tell I feel the same
I didnt call anybody trash (yet) I was just being sarcastic cuz I thought you were being sarcastic
twilit steppe
Donate some wins to me please
(2) 
supple marsh
It is so simple. ID check for money pay out. Cuz you need to pay taxes on game p...
doesn't work when in reality there are single-server players that just so happen to play in the wrong server because the server selector got weird when they started the game and they have gone too far to start over
prime scroll
I feel like this discussion gets brought up every season
it's brought up daily at this point 
thick widget
lets the cross servers play for fun that is what they are claiming just to have ...
Actually most people play competitions to get better cuz thats what competitions are made for
molten peak
I didnt call anybody trash (yet) I was just being sarcastic cuz I thought you we...
No u not being sarcastic u been very directly to me. I just answered in the same tone
twilit steppe
doesn't work when in reality there are single-server players that just so happen...
That's literally me.......... I hate you PSN
supple marsh
oh yeah I forgot PlayStation and their server-lock problems
twilit steppe
Literally the only sole reason why main account is NA instead of Asia well I do meet many good people in NA so it's alright I guess
rose perch
doesn't work when in reality there are single-server players that just so happen...
speaking of prize money where is the prince cup prize money?
thick widget
No u not being sarcastic u been very directly to me. I just answered in the same...
Idk whether you're trying to start arguments out of boredom but I'd suggest you to do it somewhere else or simply go do something valuable with your life
molten peak
It is so simple. ID check for money pay out. Cuz you need to pay taxes on game p...
If there wasn't a prize money I'm sure 99% of cross players would not care at all bout cross playing
supple marsh
speaking of prize money where is the prince cup prize money?
I can't answer that, ask the TOs I'd suppose
rose perch
like how long about?
summer berry
Months
ancient spindle
rose perch
wtf
summer berry
For you it might be less
supple marsh
rose perch
i submitted the form like 3 weeks ago
summer berry
Months it is then
summer berry
Expect it to take months. Could very well come earlier idk
rose perch
what about your card backs you gotten them yet?
molten peak
Idk whether you're trying to start arguments out of boredom but I'd suggest you ...
I can tell u to do the same. As long u have l that free time
summer berry
Or at the very least until after fonta cup in China
thick widget
I can tell u to do the same. As long u have l that free time
Uh huh 🤡
rose perch
disaster they used all the budget for ads and videos
supple marsh
Or at the very least until after fonta cup in China
when did you receive your card back last year
summer berry
Took a couple months
Like 3 maybe?
Don’t remember
Prince was in June and I got it sometime during autumn
supple marsh
I'm guessing everyone had to wait until the last regional final is finished before card backs are issued
summer berry
Maybe
supple marsh
in this case the last regional final is CN and it ends next week
so fingers crossed those are delivered by 5.0
thick widget
in this case the last regional final is CN and it ends next week
I wish cn tournaments were streamed on astra
rose perch
The prince cup ad originally had lucky coins in the picture but like they never give us lucky coin codes...
thick widget
<@1090260747491233873> did you fill the PC Pacific feedback form
I was too lazy
twilit steppe
<@1090260747491233873> did you fill the PC Pacific feedback form
Idk about him but I did
thick widget
same man
But yeah I'm like a blind child that can't walk when I enter bilibili
So youtube streams would be great
rose perch
what form?
thick widget
Even if casters spoke cn I'd still watch it
twilit steppe
what form?
Suggestion form for PC Pacific, I forgot the link sorry but maybe 2qb has it
supple marsh
it's the link that you get from the QR code that's flashed on the stream every so often
thick widget
Are you a mod? And you're behaving like this?
Bro youre still getting back to me
Get back to work feed your kids or something
supple marsh
guys calm down
summer berry
No worries I’ll force si to restream fonta
supple marsh
you're going too far
thick widget
But stop bothering people online
summer berry
My goon si never betrays
ancient spindle
in SUC right ?
supple marsh
No worries I’ll force si to restream fonta
summer berry
On twitch
twilit steppe
What's the format for Fonta Cup if I may ask? Sorry Idk anything about it
thick widget
No worries I’ll force si to restream fonta
ancient spindle
i can grind my way to get VIP badge
rose perch
visions arent mods anyone can just pick a role vision lol
supple marsh
What's the format for Fonta Cup if I may ask? Sorry Idk anything about it <:kirb...
also DE like PC, but 4 in UB and 8 in LB
polar barn
supple marsh
btw that's for the actual finals next week
prelims is this Saturday and it's a bit more complicated
supple marsh
oh btw if you guys are watching CN TCG pls remember to throw in CN tournaments in the CTG feedback form if you're filling it
twilit steppe
also DE like PC, but 4 in UB and 8 in LB
Oh so they have more participants? Interesting 
also thanks for answering 
supple marsh
the true solidifier of global meta
tbh I'm a bit against the concept of "global meta"
it just feels like we're just following CN for the most part
not enough cooking and too much cross-regional play
so everywhere outside of CN is just CN(decoherence)
pearl glade
not enough cooking and too much cross-regional play
i think people cook
it's just that cn has the best cooks
pearl glade
i personally cook as well
summer berry
Following cn is for those incapable of carving their own path
pearl glade
ive made few decks in the past that ended up becoming semi popular
twilit steppe
Following cn is for those incapable of carving their own path
That's me 🙋
pearl glade
like koko sauce, jean control, herald cube ect
supple marsh
Following cn is for those incapable of carving their own path
unfortunately that's like most people here
🫠
summer berry
Good decks are good decks for a reason
Cn players also just copy from other people
It’s not necessarily anything wrong with that
summer berry
Talking about cn and cn meta as if it’s a single entity is just equally as whack to me
As saying global meta is just people following cn meta
pearl glade
unfortunately that's like most people here
i dont think it's bad to follow cn sauce btw
in the end deck sauce are just logical conclusion of best "value" given at any patch.
so cn sauce tends to be a bit like lowest hanging fruit.
summer berry
Idk
pearl glade
@supple marsh take for example the herald cube sauce
the one i made
the deck list is very similar to the benny cube herald sauce from cn rn
but my decklist predated the current meta
night token
🐳
raven fiber
It's a shame open the LB just to see the top 3 being cross region players. First...
lool everone putting WL3 after their names
tropic slate
why do some people change usernames in between days?
it's confusing
I just ran into someone with a completely different name but using the same deck, and they ended up having the same UID as when we had fought on a prior day
rose perch
change discord name or in game name?
sick marsh
because people have CTG lists, so changing names makes it harder to predict what deck they will use
sick marsh
if you faced someone before, just look back at what they played & 90% of the time they will play it again, so then you can counter it
rose perch
how do you counter whale?
sick marsh
like this?
maiden zenith
I can attest that was me lol
rose perch
that only works if you have gravestone at r1/2 by r 3 whale has 24 hp
sick marsh
i think my opponents may have low rolled tho, also WGS wasnt in the list
maiden zenith
low roll + minimal skill in my case
rose perch
no way you are using the mega sword version? balls of steel if you are winning props to you
rose depot
no more whales please 
my opp played cyno overload
lost
matched into him again
and he switched to whale
misty harness
may as well share the pain
rose depot
also send help @tropic slate i don't feel secure at all in leaderboard
misty harness
rose depot
tropic slate
change discord name or in game name?
both
misty harness
gonna play stall next time btw. don't even care about winning, just want to make it painful
tropic slate
20-8 feels awful
it sure does, doesn't it
tropic slate
it's what I'm about to be in about one minute
-6 from Lutine this game
wtf
and both of them were my opponent
who REFUSED MY HEATED BATTLE REQUEST
like what the fuck
misty harness
whale mirrors are just coinflips until serene diecides the victor
tropic slate
idt 26-9 is good for cats tail
please, I beg of you, stop dooming
it's making me tilt even more
grizzled cape
misty harness
every tournament is dooming at this point of the tournament. those 35 matches take their toll
ember lotus
rose depot
and yeah, i just feel like 35 games in a stall meta is just rough
maiden zenith
mm that's a big part of it... last season with all the kaveh and conwhale decks the matches went fast
one match then could've fit in the time it takes doing a tuning combo for the whale lol
sick marsh
My UOMMS Sayu Deck is on a roll against Whale, 3 consecutive wins
tropic slate
and yeah, i just feel like 35 games in a stall meta is just rough
this isn't stall
whale is combo
tropic slate
stalls your time, not stalls the game lol
rose depot
at least games end quickly
well yes
stalls your time LOL
my least favorite gameplay
rose depot
misty harness
whale is combo. the combo cards? any card
ancient spindle
The amount of time for combo in indefinate
misty harness
if whale lucks into any 5 cards in its deck, it wins. it's down to luck
rose depot
well @tropic slate i went from 13-8 to 22-8. Hope you do the same 
unless you're against me
shrewd burrow
pro
stiff crypt
Just change it like mini games, play multiplayer without joining someone's world
stiff crypt
Last year if you don't have a pc that can download another 200GB genshin
Nice, i heard there are people actually get disqualified last year, because they can't download genshin for top 32
stiff crypt
I really want a ladder
Same, i get bored with repetitive games without any reward or motivation
stiff crypt
They don't even try to hide it
Because as long they're on different servers, it's allowed
tropic slate
unless you're against me
if we fight we do heated battle and let jesus take the wheel, right?
stiff crypt
That's my point. It shouldn't be allowed. It hurt majority of players to benefit...
I agree, because strong players play on multiple servers
Players like me who have skill issues don't have a chance to be on leaderboard
rose depot
if we fight we do heated battle and let jesus take the wheel, right?
maybe
lol
if we're both 26-8 though i'm down
maiden zenith
I don't think they had cars back when jesus was a thing, he'd probably crash
tropic slate
if we're both 26-8 though i'm down
I'm 21-9 now lol
maiden zenith
maybe evoking dale earnhardt would work, he had a good record up until that last time
stiff crypt
which would cause privacy concerns
And there's also a possibility they use someone's ID like from their family or friends
misty harness
whale broke my will to go on
maiden zenith
too bad it's not cyro cube meta maybe then your heart would've been able to go on
tropic slate
cryo cube meta would be great
at least playing the game wouldn't cause my screen to dim from inactivity halfway through my opponent's turn
maiden zenith
actually beidou would've worked for that joke too, either/or lol
rose depot
i literally do something else mid game lol
like watching podcasts because these turns take way too long
maiden zenith
yeah I've been binging three year old livestreams while I play lol
tropic slate
I remember at the winter invitational last year they had a thing where we weren't allowed to see the screen when it wasn't our turn and weren't allowed to open duel history
in that context it was easy
in this meta it would be very difficult
maiden zenith
and chatting here that too
in the last five minutes I've had one turn lol
actually, im not convinced that my opponent isn't deliberately roping me lol
polar barn
how do you counter whale?
i think there are lot of ideas
but they have yet to be explored
rose perch
other decks are at the mercy of dice rolls is the problem. Whale doesnt have that problem
polar barn
we just need good R2 otk deck trust
rose perch
nah we need a R 1 otk deck
polar barn
also send help <@325023745884291082> i don't feel secure at all in leaderboard
i already gave u a free win
polar barn
nah we need a R 1 otk deck
pearl glade
nah we need a R 1 otk deck
huh
pearl glade
with opponents collaboration
paypal r1 otk
polar barn
the idea is to cripple whale early and force them to ramp less
and 1v1
they can't heal a lot if he is the only one standing need vanessa
but yeah u need to roll decently good
formal elm
they attacked....... once by the end of r2?
looks like layla 2e & keq e
rose depot
oh
seems he messed up
where the melusine cards
where's the countdown
vanessa
etc
and he attacked with layla 3x
rose depot
polar barn
and he attacked with layla 3x
i mean what do u even do
go keq she dies
go layla she dies
go whale he dies
rose depot
countdown turn 1
rose depot
you shouldn't really be using layla skill turn 1 o_o
unless you brick
or if it's aggro, you just lead keqing i guess?
polar barn
you shouldn't really be using layla skill turn 1 o_o
just float 8 ?
polar barn
but lyeny can ftk
rose depot
you can lose layla
that's w/e
if you're setup with like
countdown into like vanessa/mare/melusines/lab/liyue harbor etc
you're fine
just draw more
tune
win?
polar barn
not exactly
rose depot
similar to say like vs cyno overload
rose depot
it's good, trust
summer berry
rose depot
summer berry
summer berry
People who think pre nerf Kenki is fine are delusional
pearl glade
bring back pre nerf kenki
ok what if i told you kenki serpant whale
rose depot
summer berry
Anyway
Comparing yelan lyney cyno to dehya cyno is cap
Dehya cyno has pretty low damage output all things considered
Yelan lyney cyno is like Shenhe xiao yelan if you traded the freeze for even more damage
ancient spindle
Time to play ning LS
ancient spindle
Barb swap stall end first
polar barn
ancient spindle
Xq cleanse next turn
polar barn
just to deny talent
still losing
the earlier version was diff against ls bcz it had signora
even than it was 50/50
summer berry
Nomad turned from the biggest non-believer
To the greatest shiller
polar barn
ancient spindle
Fine kunaly
polar barn
i didn't believe at first bcz
ancient spindle
With 2 eggs
ancient spindle
polar barn
and it sucked
thin rapids
summer berry
🦤
pearl glade
nocturne kestrel
carmine musk
the honored one does not concern himself with the material wealth of mortals
candid harbor
If Kevin Is humble, his tag should be underdog instead of tcg god 
candid harbor
Being a protagonist is more modest than being a god
You can start as a poor and non developed character but after hardship, u finally achieve your deserved victory
night token
🐳🐳
arctic valve
Calling myself tcg god is in fact an act of modesty
The god of modesty
acoustic ether
first time encountering the "anti whale deck"
and yep i almost explode
had to take breakpoints into note
rose perch
dont act like it is rocket science you played the most brain dead deck in the game
acoustic ether
dont act like it is rocket science you played the most brain dead deck in the ga...
mmm someone is salty it seems
maiden zenith
I run into the counter deck I accept the L lol
acoustic ether
i noticed his saltiness from far far away since he kicked me out of his world first thing after the match without any gg or something lol
rose perch
no shit last 2 rounds I couldnt even skill cuz of mix dice. I dont need to heard it from a whale deck spammer keep it to yourself
stiff crypt
I almost got destroyed by solo lyney
maiden zenith
oh no I just matched into someone and they saw my deck and said gg 💀
acoustic ether
i got tired with using whale decks
i am giga tired of whale mirror
tropic slate
i am so fucking tired of whale mirror
i'm also so fucking tired of my opponents not doing heated battle to avoid it, and then beating me
thorny crypt
i am giga tired of whale mirror
i won't use whale again
tropic slate
(not you lumimine, you're cool)
inner dagger
I challenge the whales of the world, I am ready to beat them <:Heh:9913719668817...
But get nerf in the next patch xd
grizzled cape
But get nerf in the next patch xd
tropic slate
23-12 final score
i'm ded
there's no way this stays on leaderboard for three more days
rose perch
incomings alts to play 35 games in the next 3 days
misty harness
finally beat a whale. I'm beyond hope for making it to the top 16, but my ego needed that 
rose perch
I wish seirai island stacks per round. Imagine each point of healing it does 2 piercing that would be hilarious.
thorny crypt
what?
there's no notification whatsoever, and suddenly i got blocked
misty harness
threw a game by picking a call thinking my turn had ended and just let the timer go down.
please please please let us have less matches next season, have mercy
sick marsh
what?
there's no notification whatsoever, and suddenly i got blocked
have you been switching accounts?
thorny crypt
have you been switching accounts?
no
but sometimes my browser is error
queue message is lost/dismissed
I won against whale deck at the beginning of round 3 (first attack on round 3)
whale get attacked by seirei, and the whole team are defeated by swirl double super conduct
my fastest win on the tournament so far
grizzled cape
Omg
acoustic ether
insta win
thorny crypt
i lost
i didn't get my seirei or calx (otherwise whale will sniped again)
I should think a better strategy to snipe whale more consistently
tropic slate
yeah im dead
you're doing better than me at least
and 2nd right now is pretty likely to at least squeak into top 16
good luck!
misty harness
rank 16th with 15 losses. this tournament is wild. either wild, or dead
rose depot
this is probably one of the hardest and least consistent cats tail to date?
shrewd burrow
rank 16th with 15 losses. this tournament is wild. either wild, or dead
this is normal lmao
it drops more since there's more days left
usually 9 or 10 is the cutoff, iirc
ancient spindle
bro im rank 138th with 3-2 score
hazy matrix
thorny crypt
i won against one of top leaderboard who use whale deck
I can counter whale now, the only problem is just I need to get seirei early
thorny crypt
i have no chance to be on leaderboard anyway, so i just use cope decks
there are way too many whales
thorny crypt
seirai and gamblers
i think gambler isn't very important, seirei is more important to snipe whale
but it's good to have it
thorny crypt
does seirai matter that much?
one of my opponents literally defeated on first turn of round 3
thorny crypt
it's only -4 in the long run
but it helps to snipe whale
because otherwise whale will keep generating HP
i'm currently focusing my deck to kill whale on round 3
thorny crypt
it's only -4 in the long run
It may not much, but combined with other damages, it's enough to kill whale on round 3
at least for my deck, i don't know about other decks
shrewd burrow
does seirai matter that much?
i tried using it against bad whale players early on in cyno
the second -2 doesnt even proc usually
think of it as free cryo res on whale
its cope and highroll though
mystic wharf
The only change I made was putting in 1 seirai island XD
how does whale stacking work tho, it seems like it heals different amounts sometimes
or am I just dumb
tropic slate
how does whale stacking work tho, it seems like it heals different amounts somet...
depends on the dice costs of the cards whale discards
for every three cards (indicated by the team status on the whale side), it tracks their dice costs
if they all match, whale gets +3
if two of them match, whale gets +2
if they're all different, whale only gets +1
thorny crypt
somehow I keep winning against whale (after i lose some games trying to counter whales)
the last match is really close, though
I'm fortunate my opponents change to whale, and I have ihly
my last opponent today, doesn't use whale
is yelan, lyney, and cyno popular now?
2 of my opponents today use that deck
raven fiber
It supposed to counter Whale
thorny crypt
I see
raven fiber
but kinda falls flat into other things, well by my experience
acoustic ether
melusine party.||i copied two melusines from my opponent r1 lol||
grizzled cape
ember lotus
<:YanfeiBan:1002180153646002186>
jk
grizzled cape
mystic wharf
if they all match, whale gets +3
if two of them match, whale gets +2
if they're ...
ah, so a random amount I don't know about?
tropic slate
you can just always assume it will be +3
mystic wharf
I usually just assume it's 2 then get sad when it's 3
tropic slate
and be pleasantly surprised when it's less
because coordinating your tunes so that it is +3 is pretty easy most of the time
mystic wharf
I feel like it needs like a max stack/hp limit or some other limitation
cuz it seems to ramp really well for a deck that's meant to discard a whole bunch
tropic slate
it 100% needs that
either a fixed max max hp, or at least a resonable limit to how much it can increase in a single round
mystic wharf
maybe 3 stacks per round, you can still get up to +3 per round on standby and it takes 2 rounds to get to around average monster hp, but you get less value from 2 procs of lab or stuff like that
I just hate staring down a whale with hunter equipped and 2 labs up, it feels so cooked
tropic slate
I also saw a suggestion that whale can only increase its stacks if it's the active character when something is discarded/tuned
that would also work for me (even if it's only tuning that requires that, and discarding can still be done when whale is off-field, to allow more synergies)
mystic wharf
restricting tuning to whale only sounds like it could work since tuning is so free and there's not much mass discard
does whale stack off of navia shrapnel? I imagine it works the same as keqing skill
tropic slate
it does but only if they're discarded by her skill
if you play them normally it doesn't count
mystic wharf
interesting
ah well, guess ill just continue coping and seething
ive seen some other cool decks so it's not all bad, just mostly bad
rose depot
could just make whale healing delayed
like start of turn
or end of turn
or when you switch to whale
polar barn
first time encountering the "anti whale deck"
spread fake sauce
now time to farm them
atleast i helped made the meta not so one sided
👍
acoustic ether
me definitely not tryharding in finch game
willow lion
me definitely not tryharding in finch game
bird's ball gathering tournament when
twilit steppe
Does anyone want to play the finch event thingy ...well if coop works for rewards, I need the rewards & encounter points for next few days
supple marsh
bird's ball gathering tournament when
now or never
that thing is a limited-time event
polar barn
im sad
🥹
i made a blunder of using refresh arcane card and my oppo used 3 arcanes in a game
prime scroll
luck issue :worrypat:
serene echo
what decks counter whale
thick widget
Other whale
pearl glade
Your mom (she is the whale)
tropic slate
what decks counter whale
yoimiya/yelan/wriothesly can pull off a round 2 kill if whale doesn't run/keep Vicious Ancient Battle and use it against you, and if you roll high enough
it's not super reliable but it's probably better odds than a whale mirror, which is the other option
serene echo
tyy
rose depot
Whale mirror is a 50-50
rotund mauve
twilit steppe
Whale mirror is a 50-50
If both players on equal skill level, I think yes
thick widget
Whale mirror is a 50-50
🦤
runic thicket
I mean it doesn't matter the skill lvl, if the worst player loses, 1 whale wins and 1 whale loses
so you end up with 50/50 anyways just that it's not a player vs player statistic
shrewd burrow
wha
runic thicket
I mean if whale player a wins and whale player b loses, you get a 50/50, if whale player b wins and whale player a loses, you still get 50/50
even if player a has a 100% win rate against player b with whale in like 10 matches, you still just have a 50/50 because it doesn't matter which side wins
elfin smelt
I mean if whale player a wins and whale player b loses, you get a 50/50, if whal...
Tbf, you can say some build of keqwhale wins another build of keqwhale more often...
(build is decklist)
maiden zenith
it's the same way income = expenditure lol
elfin smelt
Idk, considering mirrors using law of energy saving is kinda useless
maiden zenith
but at least now if you ever need to explain macroeconomics to a genshin player you have an apt comparison lol
shrewd burrow
even if player a has a 100% win rate against player b with whale in like 10 matc...
so assume whale player a wins against whale player b 10 times
oh the other guy already said it
thick widget
so you end up with 50/50 anyways just that it's not a player vs player statistic
Thats winrate
I think the guy that said whale mirrors are 50:50 meant to say they are decided by luck
Which would be wrong obviously
pearl glade
fiddy fiddy
acoustic ether
my record of most stacked whale on a ctg match
sick blaze
I think the guy that said whale mirrors are 50:50 meant to say they are decided ...
Because they are, sure, it's not the only thing, but luck is very important
Especially your round 1 hand matters a lot
sick blaze
my record of most stacked whale on a ctg match
I don't think I ever had more than 24
Usually about 18
acoustic ether
I don't think I ever had more than 24
i copied two serene from my opponent r1
sick blaze
i copied two serene from my opponent r1
I once got Serene from sunyata two times in one game but I think I tuned them
2 cost too much to play 4 times
rose depot
This was one of my games during cats tail
Start of turn 2
Very cool
I didn’t lose or anything like that 
My opponent didn’t get more free hp for whale with their 4 serenes
No siree
tropic slate
i had several times during my run where serene just griefed me by giving me cards that did not help
tfw you're running 2cost whale and serene generates 3cost weapons/artifacts
rose depot
I love it when I get the card that maxes out companions
Give my opponent multiple big paimons and I’m stuck with garbage :
thick widget
Because they are, sure, it's not the only thing, but luck is very important
I dont agree
As long as one player doesnt brick hard (which is very very rare with a good list) luck doesnt decide much
rose depot
The better player does win on average and we’ve seen throughout the tcg’s lifespan that people are consistent
thick widget
Yeah
rose depot
Yeah 😭 I’m consistently bad though
I think this might be the first time I make it to top 16?
Maybe
gleaming parcel
What do we do if a player confirms to being an alternate account from being another server? Like not just speculation, but actually says they are alt?
I know it’s a debated topic, and according to them it’s not against the rules, but I thought it was / it was extremely discouraged ??
@tropic slate I trust your expertise
tropic slate
it's discouraged but not against the rules
like we all know that KevinZ (EU), Quagsirefan (AS), and Proxy (NA) are the same person, it's discouraged, but it's not against the rules
as long as he only plays on one account per region
gleaming parcel
What if it’s none of those people that I’ve matched with?
I also matched with them again
Twice in a row
tropic slate
you can feel free to contact-qixing if you feel strongly about it
tropic slate
I also matched with them again <:QiqiLurk:906785116540522516>
this happens more and more frequently as time goes on, because the players are more spread out and fewer are queueing at once
gleaming parcel
Yeah, but after doing a cancel and report on it, it said that we wouldn’t have a match up chance at least once or something like that
tropic slate
screenshot? I know it simply doesnt match you with the same person more than twice no matter what, but
I haven't heard of something like that
gleaming parcel
I forget how to find the old queue threads
tropic slate
then again I haven't canceled more than like once, so
in #preliminary-queue click the thread button near the top
gleaming parcel
I found the thread but it doesn’t show the “confirm to cancel” message
Just the one that confirms the cancel
ancient spindle
maybe its bc of low amount of players
that makes you 2 keep matching together
but yeah 2nd time is your last
gleaming parcel
They also have an ai pfp of a body pillow case Nahida and it’s creepy 
Like that kind of pillow case
rose depot
also the matchmaking is made in a way where you're going to face people around your w/l ratio
gleaming parcel
Yeah, that part I knew, and I don’t usually mind matching the same person again
I’ve just never come across an alt before and I wasn’t sure what to do
acoustic ether
i tuned my tada and i insta lose lol
tropic slate
relatable
stiff crypt
yoimiya/yelan/wriothesly can pull off a round 2 kill if whale doesn't run/keep V...
In round 2?
OP
tropic slate
In round 2?
OP
this is what convinced me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZlrPij_KnU
it's honestly really fun to play and you can pull out some ridiculous ftks
if finding the line is your thing, then this is the perfect deck for it
but it's not consistent enough to really match whale
stiff crypt
my record of most stacked whale on a ctg match
So high
tropic slate
- play serene yourself
- get slausi
- your opponent's top 3 cards contain 2x serene
stiff crypt
I think I've never gotten serene from slausi 
polar barn
2 cost too much to play 4 times
stacking whale isnt the most imp thing to win whale mirro anyways
tropic slate
stacking whale isnt the most imp thing to win whale mirro anyways
the most important thing is getting enough stacks on burst and releasing it first, right?
south tiger
the most important thing is to cast enough meaningful skills
it's usually whale skills but not always true
rose perch
They also have an ai pfp of a body pillow case Nahida and it’s creepy <a:pomrun:...
inappropriate usernames or profile pictures are reportable via the server rules. The mods take those seriously. All of my inappropriate usernames were solved within a day
gleaming parcel
inappropriate usernames or profile pictures are reportable via the server rules....
It’s hard to believe that… and a lot of people unforntually don’t see the issue with sexualizing Nahida
“She’s 500 years old, it’s legal” but she’s like physically 7 
split mantle
gleaming parcel
Idk.
candid harbor
@gleaming parcel you can check the profile of your past opponent by clicking on thread of #preliminary-queue
Then you can send the profile to mod if u think it’s inappropriate
But idk 
gleaming parcel
It’s just hard to feel like it’ll do anything
Also on the topic of pfps I live your mao mao
candid harbor
It’s just hard to feel like it’ll do anything
It’s just perspective based, but the mods are never bias toward anyone
So you can give it a try if u really think it’s inappropriate
rose depot
the most important thing is to stack whale in the whale mirror
it's a face race more or less
like you just auto lose if you don't play 6+ dice worth of cards vs enemy whale that does
night token
One of the whales have the be the dominate one
polar barn
before publically calling out someone maybe u should look into your own closet
polar barn
Then you can send the profile to mod if u think it’s inappropriate
they can't report bcz
they have their own skeletons to hide
polar barn
screenshot? I know it simply doesnt match you with the same person more than twi...
they can't share the screenshot after disrespecting someone
unacceptable behaviour
shut kraken
the most important thing is to stack whale in the whale mirror
Agreed bro
shut kraken
You built different
rose depot
if by 10 stacks you mean
tropic slate
the most important thing is timing, and also having Tada in hand when you need it and having enough health to survive casting it
tropic slate
and also your opponent lowrolling and topyas eating their tada
rose depot
wym have tada in hand
you are drawing 20+ cards
by the time the first freeze matters
tropic slate
yes but it's possible to accidentally let it get eaten or discarded or tuned
so you have to be careful not to do that
i've had multiple times where topyas ate my tada
rose depot
with topyas, honestly it's best to just stack up draws by then
polar barn
u can't just stack whale
leaving other parameters
like tempo
and dice advantage
it's not just stack whale win
than it's just rng
rose depot
you do both
they're not really mutually exclusive
you get mare/veterans on whale t1
then stacking = more resources
south tiger
then tha's effectively the same thing?
everyone has 12+ stacks with whale
polar barn
also stacking whale is the most obvious thing
south tiger
so what do you even mean by that
polar barn
i would prefer 4 labs over 4 serene
acoustic ether
the most important thing is not getting frozed with tons of dices left
also casting ult first doesn't guarantee you ll win
acoustic ether
candid harbor
polar barn
not only his time got wasted
but he was abused and
was called out in public
twilit steppe
Wait uh.. that's just normal baby Nahida I think😭😭
polar barn
it was to be kept under the rug if they didn't call it out in public
pearl glade
the ctg mods should remove "discouraged" wording from their policy of multi regioning
it serves no actual purpose besides only fueling animosity and hate against players of different region
polar barn
yes it gives justification for players to be disrespectful against them
polar barn
if u want to lash out
do it on the rules
no need to target people personally just for playing the game
rose perch
is that person really from another server? I swear I seen that name for like 7 seasons or something but maybe I have it mixed it, it looks like ayaka's name in chinese
rose perch
the ctg mods should remove "discouraged" wording from their policy of multi regi...
I actual agree with this. They really should make it clear what kind of tournament environment they want to make it. Then we can have an informed decision whether to participate in it or not.
south tiger
I mean they kinda made it clear that it’s not illegal
what else do you even want them to do
night token
Aww it's baby Nahida!
south tiger
this rule was only there because we keep asking the mods this yes/no question
and since they can’t say yes directly, they can only ‘discourage’ people from multiregioning
pearl glade
and since they can’t say yes directly, they can only ‘discourage’ people from mu...
i think they can
south tiger
just think about it and get your own answer
pearl glade
they can absolutely say something like "multiregioning is allowed in ctg"
rose perch
again this is all your own head canon. I just want a straight answer from TO
south tiger
deadge
pearl glade
instead of "discouraged but allowed"
south tiger
cry about it 9oo6, you’ll never make it to top 16 with this mentality
polar barn
instead of "discouraged but allowed"
it makes u feel like a second class citizen
pearl glade
it makes u feel like a second class citizen
so much this
night token
Some of the rules can be confusing and there are still loopholes yet to be discovered
polar barn
issok no need to call out personally
rose perch
Who cares if I dont make top 16. This tournament started in the beginning for casuals and to help promote the community. If the TO decided to cater only to 20 or so elites then that is fine I just leave if I am not welcome
polar barn
thats not true
u are always welcome
issok to be critical
i dont mind
not everyone has to be a yes man
night token
I think it's healthy to be critical w/o putting anyone down
polar barn
also i dont mean anyone to be a yesman
im just sayin its ok to have diff opinion
but like
i get why people can be anyooed
south tiger
yeah everyone can have an opinion
polar barn
somtimes
south tiger
as long as it’s not against the rules you can always put it here
it’s just that you keep bringing this to the conversation, again and again
polar barn
Who cares if I dont make top 16. This tournament started in the beginning for ca...
if u want i can personally help u practice
if u are intrested that is
south tiger
and I think that definitely annoyed some people
polar barn
im not that good but i can be of some use
night token
It's best to keep the arguments civil and respectful
polar barn
👍
gleaming parcel
I like how you show this one and not the one of them confirming they were from another server 🙂
alpine lava
i believed you the first time, no proof necessary
gleaming parcel
I’m also not even sure how you have access to those screenshots since you’re not that person and you’re not a mod
polar barn
i dont want to enagage with u in furthur converstion
i just exposed ur lies
is all that matters
gleaming parcel
I came here to ask “what do I do” and yeah, I got a bit upset because I don’t think using alt accounts to get more chances at winning are fair, but that’s why I asked
I’m not lying?
What am I lying about ?
pearl glade
you cancelled a match with the player bc they were from asia? 
gleaming parcel
Because they were using an alternate account and I didn’t feel comfortable playing them
And they admitted to it being an alternate
night token
I don't want to assume before I ask
alpine lava
it certainly doesnt make them any better at the game
rose depot
I came here to ask “what do I do” and yeah, I got a bit upset because I don’t th...
they dont get more chances to win
like straight up
alpine lava
just play them and win
rose depot
their scores in NA do not carry over to Asia
etc
they only have one main server, and ofc it goes without saying that alts scores do not count
pearl glade
it certainly doesnt make them any better at the game
yeah i can beat them any time; not exactly a crazy difficult opponent.
gleaming parcel
If they’re playing in multiple servers, hypothetically, couldn’t they win more money?
runic thicket
sure if they got to top 8
night token
I don't think so
rose depot
you need to show id of that country in order to get it
runic thicket
but that's not really a crime
rose depot
though tbf
alpine lava
if im already not dodging top 16 players then why would i dodge asia players
gleaming parcel
I never said it was a crime oh my god
runic thicket
last time the money I got was just through paypal
gleaming parcel
“It’s not illega”l”
gleaming parcel
I never said it was illegal
night token
maybe if they stole aventurine's luck and actually make it to the top 3 in all
rose depot
cats tail money is really w/e
the goal should be prince's cup
which they cannot join if they're not from an affiliated region
NA player doesnt get invited to Asia Prince's cup for..... obvious reasons
rose perch
I know what I say triggers a lot of people and is annoying but as someone that been here since like the first cats tail. The community is really fallen. Like I dont feel welcome anymore and it sucks looking at the leaderboard and seeing no one I know or follow. If I feel like this I can't imagine how new player must feel.
pearl glade
cats tail money is really negligible
kevin won like $3000 in single season. if he could pull it off multiple times it can actually be more profitable than pc. (mostly bc pc requires way more work than ctg)
night token
$3000 before tax
gleaming parcel
which they cannot join if they're not from an affiliated region
Like omg.
You’re just putting words into my mouth at this point
I just don’t think it’s fair that someone could just
Join every server
Win the tournament in every server
Win the money from each regions competition
The tournament should follow the same rules as Prince cup, where you have to compete in your region
Idk why that replied to that message
rose depot
Like omg.
You’re just putting words into my mouth at this point
I just don’t ...
it's not an unfair advantage since you can literally do the same thing.
pearl glade
why're you using kevin as your example when he literally won prince's cup
it's a good example, no?
gleaming parcel
it's not an unfair advantage since you can literally do the same thing.
As a console player, I literally can’t
My PlayStation account is linked to my genshin account
I can only play on my PlayStations region
rose depot
im not following
gleaming parcel
I don’t have an option to even select another region on PlayStation
rose depot
you can make another playstation account 
