[America Server] Discussions

[vivid monolith]

But i didn’t get 25-0 cuz i still need to improve my skill

The deck itself is undefeatable

[rich wasp]

undefeated deck

[vivid monolith]

This is conwhale sama

[twilit steppe]

LOL nobody want to play against that deck

[pearl glade]

can someone queue pretty please?

oop

tyty

[ancient spindle]

i can

but im in AS

[acoustic ether]

kaveh is giga broken

if the opponent lowroll it is over

i hope they nerf him next patch

[rough quest]

😨

[vivid monolith]

[summer berry]

[ancient spindle]

[subtle ibex]

[pearl glade]

[prime scroll]

What’s ganyu

Wtfing about

[night token]

[subtle ibex]

[hard vale]

[pearl glade]

[ancient spindle]

[rose depot]

[thick widget]

[tropic slate]

[quick pollen]

@frozen pike gi conclude command not working

[plucky pawn]

[elfin smelt]

[willow lion]

:giga:

blue on the other hand is not so :giga:

[night token]

[cobalt kite]

[serene echo]

[plucky pawn]

Cocogoat

[maiden zenith]

finally got the whopperflower ending \o/

[twilit steppe]

Oh congrats

[frigid sundial]

[maiden zenith]

0-5 today, now that's more like what I expect lmao
miracle I got this much success to begin with lol

[vivid monolith]

Worrypat

Just don’t play kaveh

[willow lion]

north america number 1 runatobio

omg

[vivid monolith]

[willow lion]

im fighting 0meo rn

[vivid monolith]

I’m Not as good as byterzQi

[willow lion]

its joever

[vivid monolith]

Qaq

Yeah she’s strong. My dream player

[tropic slate]

😮 the match numbers have finally passed 100k

[safe plaza]

can i request that slowmode is disabled in threads?

[pliant mesa]

i got the 100k match

[safe plaza]

woah

[tropic slate]

whoa, nice

[subtle ibex]

you get emotional kudos!!

[stiff crypt]

Are you serious?

I see you're one of the top leaderboard before

[misty harness]

queue is so dead tonight

[stiff crypt]

I looked again, it's true
Looks like America today is very brutal

[pastel fiber]

I definitely feel like I've done worse and worse every day but today felt particularly bad 😭 interesting to see that it wasn't just me

[tropic slate]

for everyone except me apparently, I'm 5-0 today

lmao what a drastic lead

but surely when Blep and Ting and SI and Quagsire catch up things will start looking more normal

[sick marsh]

Okay time to just put Joyous in to counter all of These Sayu decks!

[safe plaza]

wow

runa awesome

[tropic slate]

use joyous on a hydro unit against Kaveh Whale to force-trigger their bloom core, activate boar princess, and get a free fastswap via killing yourself

[safe plaza]

what sayu decks. there's only conwhale

[stiff crypt]

OP

[twilit steppe]

Well I do met Mona Sayu Eula & uses it at times too

[stiff crypt]

[sick marsh]

There isn't, but i just counterend them anyway in the runback

[vivid monolith]

I got one more lose rerolled and got three Omni dices in the last turn😮‍💨

[sick marsh]

i'm finally on the leaderboard!

[stiff crypt]

OP

[misty harness]

somebody queue up

[pearl glade]

ok

[pearl glade]

i got matched to someone else

[misty harness]

me too

[acoustic ether]

[limpid orbit]

Does anyone have any tips against the current kaveh meta? Thanks!

[tropic slate]

if you can afford to ramp round 1 and sacrifice a character, then you can position yourself really well turn 2 to absolutely ruin their day

if you snipe kaveh, they have almost no options

Abyss Herald in particular is the MVP in the kaveh matchup, because his 6hp breakpoint is really annoying for kaveh to work around

For Furina-Kaveh, the opener does 2+2+1+5 damage, and four of that last five gets absorbed by herald's revive

for Mona-Kaveh it's only slightly worse, because the opener is instead 1+3+4+2, so herald's revive gets eaten earlier and you're left on 2hp instead of 4

but you can then equip herald's talent and force them to have a really bland round 2 and/or round 3

Conwhale also does pretty well into kaveh, because you can get serpent built up round 1 with little to no risk, and you don't really care about scorpion so you can just sacrifice it into kaveh while building up to snipe him with serpent's burst

and then once kaveh is gone, so is their DPS

[timid skiff]

what to do on conwhale when they do something like furina kaveh then back to furina

[tropic slate]

stall until they go back on kaveh and then fastswap burst

[timid skiff]

interesting! thanks 🙂

[tropic slate]

due to the way their opener works, they kind of have to be on kaveh in order to pop the second bloom core, so if you bait them into killing scorpion that way, you can just go onto serpent and burst them down

[timid skiff]

i see

[tropic slate]

unless they're running fwof, but that's uncommon

[safe plaza]

i get the feeling there's no one in queue

[tropic slate]

and usually they prefer judgment

[safe plaza]

and no one can queue up

rip

[timid skiff]

isn't it past queue time

[safe plaza]

it is but i started queue before it closed

[tropic slate]

if you enter queue before 11pm then you stay in queue until the time limit expires, yeah

[safe plaza]

we're gambling

[tropic slate]

same as, if you start a match before then you can finish it even if it goes overtime

[timid skiff]

aww if i queued just now we might've been able to match

[pearl fern]

apparently Ting was queueing earlier with no games played and timed out haha

the queues are very empty

[tropic slate]

note to self, queue early tomorrow so that I do all my matches before Ting's winrate catches up to me

this isn't queue dodging, trust

[whole talon]

why is it all conwhale

[tropic slate]

it's just the strongest general-purpose deck

like xingqiu-chong-razor was last patch, or yelan-tm-signora before that

[alpine lava]

deck fun but i play bad

[whole talon]

besides that one neuvi cube it was just conwhale conwhale conwhale do people not get bored

[timid skiff]

without taking up too much of your time, may i get a quick confirmation to my understanding of meta?
as far as i know there is yunjin, mona/furina kaveh bloom, conwhale, and herald/sayu decks? are these kind of rock paper scissors with each other as far as matchups go?

[tropic slate]

Prior to this patch the rock-paper-scissors usually went Aggro > Combo > Stall > Aggro

[timid skiff]

interesting! although not seeing a lot of stall this season

[pearl fern]

rock paper scissors is kind of in shambles

[tropic slate]

the timings for this patch kind of mess with that, though. Kaveh bloom is an extremely aggro deck but does badly into conwhale and yunjin because of how its damage is paced

[pearl glade]

morning queue is very dead btw

[tropic slate]

I have work during morning queue anyway, I meant just at the start of evening queue

[pearl glade]

oh

[pearl fern]

there seem to be a fair few morning queue ppl based on when they go up on the leaderboard

[timid skiff]

btw what do you guys feel about the discard meta in general?

[tropic slate]

just a bit too strong

[pearl glade]

i dont like how it's a game mechanic exclusive to certain decks

[tropic slate]

apep does too much damage, consecrated beasts are way overtuned, narwhal is a bit too much when it gets going (although that's harder to arrange)

xinyan is balanced, though

[misty harness]

I don't think I'll even come close to playing all my matches this season despite wanting to

[pearl glade]

same

the queue is very slow this season

[timid skiff]

imo narwhal's ramp seems decently balanced, and yea well said

[tropic slate]

xinyan's extra value (when you play her in a deck that wants to discard, anyway) is countered by the fact that she's a pyro unit, which is the second worst element

[misty harness]

yeah, I'm lucky to get 5 matches in per day

[alpine lava]

theres an extra 3 days

[misty harness]

that's assuming I started on the first day

[tropic slate]

if they turn narwhal's max damage down to like 5 instead of 6 then I think it's good

6 is a bit too strong to stall through

[timid skiff]

oh true

[tropic slate]

I don't have a problem with narwhal's other mechanics

[pearl fern]

narwhal doesn't feel too bad if you don't have serpent draw

[timid skiff]

i found his burst double proc also kinda crazy

[tropic slate]

kinda, but we've had precedent for that for ages

yae's summon and nilou's blooms work the same way

[timid skiff]

true

[tropic slate]

and the fact that you can pre-empt it by just attacking him and wearing its durability down makes it harder for narwhal to get good value out of it

[timid skiff]

although i'd say whale pressure is a bit even more

[tropic slate]

especially if you're not in the kaveh deck that only discards 3-costs (which has trouble reaching narwhal's burst anyway), because if you don't then the summon's durability is likely to be awful

[timid skiff]

yea makes sense

im ngl, im a pleb playing here just for the primos

[tropic slate]

meanwhile, you look at furina's kit and the insane value of literally everything she can do

and yet she's not even in the top 5 strongest cards added this patch

[timid skiff]

i thought furina looked insane!

just so happens there are even more insane options

[tropic slate]

I mean don't get me wrong she's really good

but that just underscores how crazy the rest of the additions are

[timid skiff]

right

[tropic slate]

and yet the single best character card in the game continues to be mona, just being quietly consistent in the background since 3.3

weird how these things play out

[acoustic ether]

i still have like 25 matches to play

[timid skiff]

is it combination of quick swap and lots of element application

[acoustic ether]

free quickswap and 2 hydro application is strong

[tropic slate]

and no one has ever said mona is broken, either

just an insanely well-designed card

[stiff crypt]

Nice info, but I mostly play against conwhale

[stiff crypt]

Same

Keep getting matched against it
What deck is best against it? How to play against it?

[pearl glade]

bro everyone be asking how to beat conwhale and ignoring herald cube

the solution is in plain sight

[pearl fern]

it's weird because i've only played into conwhale 3 times

[pearl glade]

i had conwhale 8 times today + yesterday

out of 11 matches

[rose perch]

wierd I only had kaveh

[pearl glade]

kaveh is so free

would be very nice to queue into it as often

match takes like 5 min tops

[rose perch]

but the decks that beat kaveh lose to conwhale

[pearl glade]

no

i dont think so at least

[tropic slate]

freddy's deck wins hard against both

[stiff crypt]

How is the deck?
I have never used it

I want to try it

[pearl glade]

it's easy to pilot once you get hang of it.

it's good into all the meta decks

[stiff crypt]

What deck?

[pearl glade]

herald cube nahida

[stiff crypt]

I see

Can you share the deck, if you don't mind
I may not have the time to practice, though

[pearl glade]

yeah of course. i highly encourage you to play. it's very fun too.

[maiden zenith]

maybe it's about time I learn a second deck lol

[pearl glade]

@stiff crypt @maiden zenith A0CQxDEMFZDhyWENCRBx0TANE8AB9DMPGEAh9oIPDGEQBcEQGIFBCIQTDLEgO8IRDDAA

go get em tigers!

[maiden zenith]

I appreciate you sharing your trade secrets lol

[stiff crypt]

Thank you
I'll try it

[pearl glade]

4 people on leaderboard are using my sauce

so it's not really secret

[maiden zenith]

lol my definition of secret is if I can plug the name of the 3 cards into youtube and have a video pop up 🤣

[stiff crypt]

So, it's really strong

[pearl glade]

very strong

[stiff crypt]

[pearl glade]

@stiff crypt here's what superbird has to say

[eternal leaf]

[stiff crypt]

How long does it usually take to learn it?

[pearl glade]

it took superbird and lieil like a day or two

i did give them some advice ig

[stiff crypt]

[pearl glade]

it's very unlike conwhale which has higher skill curve

[stiff crypt]

Looks like I really don't have the time, but it's nice to learn more decks

[pearl glade]

all good

[stiff crypt]

Btw, I've wandering since hydro herald's talent is really good, why do people only bring 1, not 2?

[twilit steppe]

Maybe not enough deck space (?)

[pearl glade]

1 talent give you 4 curses

thats more than enough

[stiff crypt]

I see

[twilit steppe]

Yeah someone did this to me LOL thankfully I still won

[pearl glade]

6 curse if you let them burst

[stiff crypt]

What if it's on the bottom deck?

[pearl glade]

then you can either burst or just end up not using it

however

[tropic slate]

you have three copies of talent

[pearl glade]

1 herald talent is mostly for decks that have high draw power anyways

[tropic slate]

one copy of the card itself + 2 copies of stormterror

[pearl glade]

to it;s very likely to draw into it

[stiff crypt]

Really?

[tropic slate]

stormterror is the big thing because it also discounts nahida 5cost and cube 5cost

stormterror r1 gives you talent equip and saves dice in the following two rounds as well

[pearl glade]

oh i think she was talking about in general

[tropic slate]

possibly the best deck stormterror has ever seen

[maiden zenith]

just won my first match with it... stormterror was clutch. Pulled talent for free then had just enough dice two rounds later to use RPS to win the game

[pearl glade]

how do you like it?

[maiden zenith]

well don't know what I'm doing but I like the synergy so far

[stiff crypt]

What's stromterror?
I didn't see it on the characters description or any cards brought

[tropic slate]

Stormterror's Lair

it's a 2-cost location support card

[stiff crypt]

I see

I understand now

[maiden zenith]

of course I'm not facing any meta decks in the normal matchmaking so will see if I have any real skills by tomorrow lol

[twilit steppe]

Stormterror's Lair in that deck is so useful I think, can be used for free talent, Nahida's skill, Electro Hypostasis skill

[stiff crypt]

i was just about to try the deck and my opponent resign right away

[pearl glade]

they know

[maiden zenith]

rofl 0 cost RPS w/ golden troupe + stormterror

that was just as awesome as the full jeht combo back in those dark days XD

[pearl glade]

if you high roll you can do 30 dice worth of actions r3

[maiden zenith]

lol hopefully I can pick up all the intricacies by 4pm tomorrow

[pearl fern]

I did lose to it but I swear it was due to a lowroll on my end but it's a nice brew for sure

[maiden zenith]

oh my goodness I just learned something new

or no I didn't what just happened

now why did boar princess trigger twice when herald bit it lol...

[pearl glade]

you prob had an artifact and talent equipeed

[maiden zenith]

oh so I did learn something new! talent count as equipment?!

[pearl glade]

yes

quite the fun deck isnt it?

[maiden zenith]

well now I need to look through all my boar princess decks and see if none of them had any talent cards lol

3-0 so far in AoC... very fun lol

now if only normal matchmaking didn't take an eternity and maybe I'd run into a deck I'd actually face tomorrow lol

[pearl glade]

meta decks are quite common in aoc

from my experience

[maiden zenith]

well in my totally representative sample size of 4 matches I've yet to run into conwhale lol

[pearl glade]

but yeah ive been queing aoc alot more than rmm these days

the wait is atrocious

aint nobody got time fo rthat

[maiden zenith]

funny how apparently conwhale counters kaveh... I think I wracked a majority of my wins by wrecking conwhale up until today. Guess it came down to skill 💀

[pearl fern]

the irony is the more ppl who think that, the worse regular queue becomes too

I think mona kaveh has a decent matchup into conwhale

[tropic slate]

mona kaveh just needs to be careful to not let kaveh get nuked

and, following that, to not let themselves fall too far behind and lose the whale war

I think it's at least 60-40 ish in favor of conwhale, you need to play really well in order to win as kaveh

but playing really well is much easier with kaveh than it is with conwhale, which is quite hard to pilot well

[pearl fern]

mm I see

I always figured it was favored with how many ppl were playing it with the judgement tech

[maiden zenith]

got it... so either I had great skill with kaveh beating conwhale every time or the steep learning curve was on my side lol

[twilit steppe]

Not if you are queueing in Asia

[maiden zenith]

5-2 aoc... maybe ill try sitting in normal queue until midnight and I'll find me a conwhale lol

*queues into zhongli/pyro lector/stonehide lawlchurl ???

[stiff crypt]

How?

[pearl glade]

8 dice you get every round
4-6 from ramp board
8 dice worth from gt
4 from boar proc
4 from gamba proc
2-4 from lyresong

[maiden zenith]

I almost lost to that lawlchurl lector deck lmao... operative word being almost I double RPS'd them in the final round lol

amber cyro cicin?? i'm never getting practice against a conwhale deck lol

[stiff crypt]

[maiden zenith]

now it's my life mission to achieve that lol

[stiff crypt]

i just tried it on arena of copium
and i got 5-1
only lost once because i got bricked by dice luck, and I can't tune because i run out of cards

gt is so strong, combined with stromterror, we can use 5 dice cost for free
one thing i still can't use is joyous, i have never got a chance to use it

btw, do you usually use gt on nahida first or cube?
and for abyss herald, it doesn't matter if we use talent first or after changing mode, right?

[pearl glade]

btw, do you usually use gt on nahida first or cube?
i prioritise equipping on nahida. but if i do happen to get both i equip on cube too.

and for abyss herald, it doesn't matter if we use talent first or after changing mode, right?
correct.

[pearl glade]

joyous come up against freeze, kaveh, and swirl decks usually

[stiff crypt]

It used it on cube
I see, I'll try to use it on nahida next time

[stiff crypt]

I see, I mostly play against decks that use dendro char & also against yunjin otk
So, I can't use joyous

[steep sparrow]

how do I check my wins and losses

[gloomy ocean]

https://discord.com/channels/865768900662788107/1253602346051571794

[tropic slate]

it doesn't directly tell you your w/l ratio but you can reverse-engineer it from your score

wins are 10 points, losses are 1 point

if you have fewer than 10 losses then your w/l is just [the first two digits of your score]/[the last digit of your score]

if more, than you have to do slightly more work

[gloomy ocean]

It's been over 48 hours since I opened my hotline thread and I've not received any response from the qixing, what other options do I have

I try to open a new thread, the bot just says I already have one open. I don't think closing my thread just to open a new one would do much.

[plucky pawn]

You still trying to do it

[gloomy ocean]

There is a green check mark underneath my messages, so I assume they are being received. I rather not just ping people directly. Whole point of the hotline system is to avoid people doing that I'd imagine

[gloomy ocean]

At the bottom of my strike it states I can contact the qixing and gives a direct link. So I'd appreciate if it would allow me to do as it said I can

[timid skiff]

Blue with all due respect, this whole ordeal is more of a learning experience to look at things with a non-selfish perspective. Now it's an online game with no real life consequences but down the road the society won't show you any mercy, not even three strikes.

[tropic slate]

At the end of the day, it's only one strike, right? Shouldn't knock you out of the competition entirely, just be careful not to do it again and keep on

It'll disappear by next season even if you don't deal with it now, iirc

[timid skiff]

imo strikes are only the end result, understanding needs to be built upon why strikes were received and why it should've been received

[gloomy ocean]

Regardless of the severity of the strike, I still wish to discuss it with the TOs. I wish for my grievances to be addressed.

[pearl glade]

we live in a society

[shrewd burrow]

wait it resets every season

does this mean you get two strategic dodges per season

[timid skiff]

i get the feeling this is a reference

[raven fiber]

lol did you get a strike from dodging me? or did you dodge others as well?

[pine heron]

They have a tendency of chickening out seeing ar 32 players

[barren anchor]

what's the point of the tournament then

:kleekicant:

[willow lion]

i love chicken mcnuggets

with barbecue dipping sauce

i wonder if they got top 16 would they forfeit immediately because half of top 16 are ar32s

[gloomy ocean]

half huh? can't say im suprised

[plucky pawn]

Better go touch grass

[willow lion]

if u can't handle fighting top players then u have no chance of making to or pass top 16

[plucky pawn]

Yeah
Cuz top players are not only 32 ar

Im 60

[willow lion]

pro

i'm doing very bad this season

[pearl glade]

@plucky pawn is chaos spear a sonic reference?

[plucky pawn]

yeah it is

[pearl glade]

basado

[plucky pawn]

using it since 2014 mb

ehe

[pearl glade]

gotta go fast

[plucky pawn]

running at the speed of sound

[gloomy ocean]

I have no issue fighting top players. Whether or not you are on the leaderboard makes no difference. Me refusing to play against alt accounts serves as a protest against using alt account.
Players punished for refusing to play against alt accounts sets a precedent that indirectly condones it.

[willow lion]

as bad as alt account objectively sounds it doesn't affect your performance

idk why u have such a big issue with it

[gloomy ocean]

alt accounts skew the matchmaking process, leading to matchups where the skill of each person isn't accurately reflected
and facing them is just demoralizing. Knowing that you are facing against someone who is deliberately exploiting the system absolutely affects a player's confidence and overall tournament experience. In turn affecting performance.
it's just an overall negative to the community, creating an environment where players are disheartened and less likely to participate in future tournaments.

all this and more i said to my message to the qixing, which im still waiting to hear back from hopefully

[willow lion]

how does it skew the matchmaking process? you're still matched based on current performances,
they're not exploiting the system, because the rule is not against playing in a different server
yes, fighting ar32 who presumably a top player from another server is intimidating but that doesn't justify how you can refuse to play a queued match

you are on leaderboard, u are supposed to queue up with people with similar score as you

if anything, you selectively choosing who to fight and not fight is exploiting the system

[coarse flume]

Does bro think ar level affects skill level

[gloomy ocean]

When the use of alt accounts are not actively penalized, players are left to take a stand themselves. My actions are a response to the use of alt accounts to exploit the tournament rules, not an exploitation in themselves. It's a call for TOs to enforce fair play.
Even when alt accounts are eventually matched with players of similar skill, their journey through the ranks involves displacing other players and artificially inflating the difficulty for them. Players who worked hard to improve their rank face sudden drops in performance due to encountering them.

[willow lion]

so... you lost cuz you fought a better player

the solution isn't to dodge queue or ban alt

the solution is to get good

[south tiger]

keep crying blud

[thick widget]

Bro alt or not matchmaking system is the same

Check that

[pine heron]

They think they are making a difference

[pearl glade]

[pearl fern]

we don't know how the skill based matching works exactly, but in theory it is reset for each individual tournament, and doesn't actually track any progress between tournaments

so in essence there may be no difference between an "alt" account participating

and any other account

[willow lion]

ie everyone start at the same place

[pearl fern]

it's all up to how they perform in the games for that specific season

[tropic slate]

the problem with this is, there's no reasonable way for them to enforce 'fair play'

[pearl fern]

if they actually enforce some kind of tracking of skill between tournaments, I would say that would be more unfair

[tropic slate]

with serious showdown, they actually did address checks on the people who qualified

[pearl fern]

because that's not how a tournament is meant to work

[tropic slate]

but there are so many more people in the cat's tail gathering that would be unfeasible

and there are people who have legitimate reasons to be playing on accounts that don't match the physical region they live in

[slow mason]

ar 32 doesn't necessarily mean someone playing in multiple regions by the way

[tropic slate]

for example, having moved across the world since making their account initially, since hoyo doesn't have any way to move an account from one server to another

and yeah, AR32 could also be someone genuinely new to the game

[slow mason]

I know a couple people who only play genshin for the tcg so as soon as they got to ar 32 they stopped doing dailies and such

[supple marsh]

I think the thing is that we have to understand that at its current stage it's impossible for CTG to enforce a no-alt policy, especially from a technical standpoint

this is not CN where every account is ID-checked from the get-go, and even then in CN all accounts play on one server instead of being spread into 3 like with Global

the only alts CTG can ban are those from the same person playing in the same server, and even then there has to be proof for those cases - it's not detected automatically

[willow lion]

runa account is like ar40 she a alt too fr

the only thing alt impacts is that it takes away score for serious showdown, which makes that tournament overall weaker than it's supposed to be

but that still don't affect a players performance

[gloomy ocean]

there is a system in place to stop the abuse of the cancel matchmaking system. Each cancel forcing you to wait longer and longer before you are allowed to queue again. Multiple hour waits in some instances. In a tournament with limited timeslots for play, that's a huge protection against abuse
If it is truly impossible to enforce a no alt policy, players then should not be penalized for preferring not to fight them as you cannot abuse the cancel feature to begin with.

[willow lion]

bro what?

[slow mason]

nya?

[willow lion]

you have got to be jonkling

how is queue dodging allowed in any game

[runic thicket]

it's unenforceable because you cannot prove them to be alts, it's abuseable because you can cancel any match against a player you don't want to face

[tropic slate]

the more callous answer is just "git gud"

[willow lion]

any competitive game if u dodge after u already know who your opponent is, that's a instant forfeit

[supple marsh]

put it simply: if people are not penalized for queue dodging, what's stopping a player from cherry-picking only opponents weaker than them and winning all 35 games

[willow lion]

^

[willow lion]

hey no copying what i said

[tropic slate]

I am of kind of mixed opinions, because I've definitely chosen when to queue strategically to avoid people

[willow lion]

[tropic slate]

like if I just played against a top player for the first time and I know they still have games left, taking a 20 minute break before queueing again

and thats not a great thing to do

but after having matched? no.

[willow lion]

the gigachad move is to insta queue back into them and revenge

but i'm too shit at the game for that

😭

[tropic slate]

or, more by coincidence, doing my games in evening queue ASAP

[pliant mesa]

just like me fr

[tropic slate]

to avoid Ting and SI and etc., all the top players on the west coast for whom 4pm is too early to get started

[slow mason]

queuing strategically is different from queue dodging once you already know your opponent

[tropic slate]

and for the record, evening queue has a much lower proportion of AR32 accounts with language set to chinese

if you're looking for a strategy to avoid those

[willow lion]

should i be setting my language to chinese for the intimidation factor

big brain move or what

[gloomy ocean]

Because that would be impossible. At the point you've won enough games to be matched with top players, you won't be able to farm weaker opponents anymore without taking losses first. If you tried to dodge a highly skilled player, you'd have to wait an hour to queue again, only to be matched with another highly skilled player.

[pearl fern]

you're talking about two different cancells. Getting matched but deciding not to accept and cancel/timeout is totally ok, but gives you the longer queue times.

Cancelling once you find out who your opponent is is not the same thing, and that's what you're trying to advocate for

[runic thicket]

not 100% sure how queue works

but that's not how it works

it tries to put you with similar skill opp

but you get pretty newbs even with decent record

if no one else is on

[tropic slate]

the way that ladder works in most games doesn't have the intermediate step of 'join your opponent's world and start fighting', even

like on pokemon showdown you don't even find out who your opponent is until the match starts

[gloomy ocean]

At least when I canceled after being matched I was put on a long queue cooldown.

[tropic slate]

at which point you can leave, but that's considered a forfeit

[supple marsh]

you would be correct... until everyone starts abusing it and the queue is just ruined

[tropic slate]

functionally, this tournament is the same way

as soon as you're matched, that's when the match starts

[runic thicket]

you can get 35 games in 2 days

you just do this from the start

[pearl fern]

if you are trying to get a response from TOs to try and get it so that cancelling after you find out who your opponent is is OK, then honestly you're wasting your own time I don't see how they will ever implement that

[tropic slate]

the logistics to actually get in each other's world and start the game is just logistics

[runic thicket]

and then lessen your restrictions on later days

[pearl fern]

and if they do I will get very upset at them for it and get that decision reversed

[gloomy ocean]

I just want my greviances heard and for something to be done

[willow lion]

refusing the game after finding out your opponent is a forfeit

[slow mason]

what do you even expect to be done?

[willow lion]

you should be happy that u only got a strike

[runic thicket]

nothing going to be done, the solution is just to get better

theres not that many players in ctg either

[willow lion]

HEY no copying what i said

[runic thicket]

unlike CN

[willow lion]

it's copyrighted to my name only

[supple marsh]

real

[runic thicket]

trying to put a bunch of restrictions makes a dead tournament even deader

the rewards for ctg isn't really that worth until you get to top 8 imo, it's a lot of time for almost nothing even if you can get to top 16 and get a welkin for ppl that don't really hardcore enjoy tcg

[tropic slate]

even top 8 is only $50, that isn't a life changing amount of money in most places

[willow lion]

local mcdonald pays 13 a hour

[runic thicket]

top 8 is more like, yea I guess it's kinda okay

[supple marsh]

I think the problem here is that there are instances where invaders are just another league above region natives and they get the prize money pretty easily

[summer berry]

🦤

[supple marsh]

not to mention that they are siphoning CTG points as well

[runic thicket]

I mean easy way is to just beat invaders

like kevin says

[coarse flume]

But Kevin loses to them too

[summer berry]

I’m a Darwinist

[coarse flume]

[summer berry]

This Ryzac

I lost once

Out of like

5 times

[coarse flume]

Didn’t omeo cook u twice

[tropic slate]

#NotMyKevinZ

[coarse flume]

[summer berry]

Prelims doesn’t count

Who gives a shit about prelims

[coarse flume]

We are talking abt prelims

[willow lion]

me n 0meo is 2-2 rn

[summer berry]

Even if you do count prelims I’ve lost 2 out of like 10 or soemthing then

[willow lion]

every season we queue back to back and go 1-1

😔

[coarse flume]

It said it jokingly I meant no offence

I am a washed noob compared to u

[summer berry]

🦤

You can’t always win

[coarse flume]

Yeah definitely true

[summer berry]

Anyway back to what I’m saying

I’m a Darwinist

I believe in natural selection

[coarse flume]

Survival of the fittest?

[summer berry]

If you want to win you should just get better

[slow mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1222039537069588510.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[coarse flume]

I agree

[summer berry]

Thinking that’ll you’ll lose because people from other regions are playing as well is a loser’s mentality

[coarse flume]

Kevin do u have the answer on how to get good

[willow lion]

step one say to your self nah id win

[tropic slate]

the biggest thing is practice, and reflecting on each game's wins and losses to try to optimize your playstyle and deck

also, watching other top players play, and figuring out both what they do and why they do it

commentary helps with this, the recent prince cup streams are a goldmine

[coarse flume]

I do all of this but the only thing i dislike is reviewing my games

[tropic slate]

you don't necessarily need to go back and watch the replay

[coarse flume]

Idk why i never watch replays of my games

[tropic slate]

usually at this point, especially when I lose, I can remember a specific play that I should have made earlier in the game

or a particular card that I wish I had that I should add

[coarse flume]

Or rather I don’t like to do that

[pearl fern]

past a certain point I think reviewing is pretty fundamental to getting better

[willow lion]

have a pro watch u play and criticize u

[tropic slate]

depending on which pros, they will have criticism in different directions

[summer berry]

I think

[pearl fern]

you want to bring in other perspectives to your own decisions, unless you are somehow just a genius at understanding the game

[summer berry]

The most important thing

Is to gain an understanding of the game

[twilit steppe]

What do you do to improve from your mistakes if I may ask?

[coarse flume]

I just forget the match and play the next match

Or mald if it was an important match

But not publicly

[tropic slate]

one example of how I do it in my mind is, for example, my match report from last cat's tail

for each of my losses I record a "loss cause"

which is what I could have done differently to have won

[summer berry]

I am were to make an apt comparison

[tropic slate]

sometimes you just get highrolled and that's fine

[summer berry]

It’s a bit like math and formulas

[tropic slate]

but most of the time there's counterplay that you could have done

[summer berry]

You can brute force your way by remembering formulas

[coarse flume]

I don’t understand

What are u referring to as formulas

[tropic slate]

remembering all the interactions

common breakpoints for various characters

[summer berry]

But it’s way more efficient and better if you’re capable of deriving the formula yourself

[tropic slate]

things that your opponent is likely able to do given their deck comp

[coarse flume]

Oh ok makes sense

[tropic slate]

little details like remembering that boar princess does trigger off talents, and you can trigger it yourself sometimes

seeing the line is a developed skill

[summer berry]

That’s why I think it’s the best to just understand the fundamental workings of what’s good and why

To get an understanding

[rose perch]

only if that talent is an equipment tag right?

[summer berry]

Esp since the format changes every patch

[tropic slate]

the only talent that isn't an equipment tag is azhdaha iirc

and keqing stiletto but that barely counts

[coarse flume]

Hmm I definitely feel like I have improved

[rose perch]

there are a few others I remember cuz I had to correct them for wiki

[coarse flume]

But I think the pace is too slow compared to others

[summer berry]

Those who actually understand the fundamental ways of playing the game will always have an edge in a new format

That’s why the skill gap tends to become smaller when the meta is stale

The people who brute force their way into learning every interaction and how to approach different situations have the time to actually learn it through extensive practice

[coarse flume]

I think I am more of a deriving it myself person

[pearl glade]

it pays 20 now

[summer berry]

It’s also why some players can get away with just sleeping through an entire patch and still being better than everyone else

They don’t need to play the game to understand what they’re supposed to do

[slow mason]

nyaruhodo

[tropic slate]

depends where you live

[cursive viper]

@rich wasp stop sleeping

[tropic slate]

guarantee mcdonalds in downtown LA pays more than mcdonalds in middle-of-nowhere iowa

[rose perch]

i dunno why people make the McDonald reference anymore these days it should be the amazon reference. It much easier to get a low paying job at a random amazon warehouse than at mcdonalds

[pearl glade]

based

[summer berry]

Anyway the level of understanding is what separates the good from the great

Or depending on how you look at it

The bad from the decent

[coarse flume]

From what u said

I think I need to memorize the interactions

Cuz I think that’s clearly where I am lacking

[slow mason]

I'm not great at fundementals, usually it takes me playing a lot of games to understand how I should play in a certain meta

which is why I'm usually a one trick

[coarse flume]

But being a one trick is bad no ?

[slow mason]

yeah it is

[coarse flume]

In tournaments especially

[pearl glade]

it's good strat for clearing pre lim

ig

[coarse flume]

Yeah it’s good in bo1

But in bo3 bans

It sucks

[pearl glade]

honestly im starting to value deckbuilding skills more

than just execution

my herald cube performance proves this

[slow mason]

well I almost never make it past prelim either way

[south tiger]

bc it's bad even in prelims

[coarse flume]

Deck building skills aren’t considered necessary or essential since we can just net deck

[south tiger]

it's only good if your one trick deck is decent

you can't force diona to beat everyone

[slow mason]

yeah I know that, I'm not saying one tricking is ever a good strategy

[willow lion]

one tricking 🐍🦂🐋

[pearl glade]

good players will not know how to respond to a deck they're not familiar. so you will have advantage.

[coarse flume]

Well yeah but it’s just the surprise factor

[willow lion]

they can if they calc enough lines

[south tiger]

yeah I was replying to freddy

[rose perch]

it was more understanding the meta. Combination that the meta has 1 shot abilities and runs basically no heal. So characters with reborn are favored

[slow mason]

oh sorry

[south tiger]

well as long as you have fun it's good

[pearl glade]

o

[tropic slate]

deckbuilding is a huge skill

it's also the one I personally am most deficient in

which is why I steal decks from everyone around me

and learn to play them

that said, understanding why characters are good, why the deck matchups are what they are, and how to play to a character's strengths when using them, are part of those fundamentals

[supple marsh]

OK so there's one thing I don't want to mention here initially because official server and all, but I really want to bring this up now (hot take warning):

aside from the CTG points that are lost due to invader siphoning, the competitive scene as a whole craves for cross-region play; and if CTG points were not a concern, invaders would be welcome to invade (especially CN peeps)

I heard that Global got a lot of flak from CN because of how badly we play relative to them, and considering that CN servers are basically closed from the Global public, tournaments like CTG are the only chances you're going to be able to face them

[rose perch]

Ya i would be fine with global tournament. My problem was always the fact they have more raffle tickets at a prize and more chances than everyone else. If they are 1 person and they only play in 1 tournament that is totally fine.

[polar barn]

not my goon

[willow lion]

make tournament accounts public and have ctg be played on tournament client so everyone play in one server

cook

[tropic slate]

pls no

the tournament client is awful for those of us who don't play on pc

even for those of us who do

[rose perch]

kinda agree cuz I worked hard for my dynamic and playing with default stuff sucked

[supple marsh]

tbf it's going to be an infrastructure nightmare

[summer berry]

The tourney client is just deadge

[pearl glade]

bring global ladder

[polar barn]

ill be back after one month there's be still discussions
about invaders

pe

[slow mason]

:worrypat:

[pearl glade]

which server are you queing?

[hard vale]

NA

[pearl glade]

oh it;s open rn?

[summer berry]

Ting skipping CTG because he can’t find a match

[hard vale]

see how it says 4pm

[summer berry]

:worrypat:

[hard vale]

and its not 4pm rn

[pearl glade]

[slow mason]

I mean it could be in another country

[hard vale]

xx:57

[slow mason]

ok fair

[cursive viper]

you will find some later and get your 3 win

[hard vale]

[willow lion]

why

[rose perch]

a dev would have to dm each person with log information for one

i am more curious if it is possible to code the ingame matchmaking to incorporate all 3 servers. It too hard to find a game

[supple marsh]

• tournament server - despite the fact that GITCG isn't too dependent on latency, the menus and interactions outside of the table are latency-based, and that might annoy some people
• tournament client - basically another copy of the game, nuff said

[willow lion]

or they can set up a registration portal that automatically does it

the size of the game is the biggest concern tbh

[tropic slate]

also the fact that a significant portion of the players don't normally play on platforms that you can put a tourney client on

[willow lion]

probably easier to make tcg cross server

[rose perch]

the size is also no joke do you really want close to 150 gb of both tournament client plus regular genshin

[tropic slate]

I'm not the only player who plays on playstation

[willow lion]

true...

[tropic slate]

and they ain't distributing a tourney client for that

my backup machine is an iphone and they don't have it for that either

[thick widget]

They should just separate genshin impact and GITCG into 2 different games

[willow lion]

how did u play prince cup on the playstation

[thick widget]

There you go ggz

[tropic slate]

I didn't

They provided me a remote desktop

[willow lion]

what did u play on

[tropic slate]

that I had to log into using my mac

[willow lion]

oh cloud

[tropic slate]

it was awful

I could barely even navigate my character over to the match board

to start a game

[willow lion]

😭

[supple marsh]

let's just say "no" (not elaborating further because we're on official grounds rn)

[rose perch]

even if it is a different game it doesnt solve anything about cross server in fact no game has cross servers

[pearl glade]

Fuckin hate this game takes like 100 gigabytes of storage

Its ridiculous

[pearl glade]

Real

[thick widget]

There are games that do, and those arent even tcgs

[rose perch]

example?

[willow lion]

minecraft cross server real

[thick widget]

Brawl starts

[willow lion]

omg hypixel bedwars

[thick widget]

Minecraft yeah

[rose perch]

arent you just changing servers when you play those you are changing your setting

[pearl glade]

🐳💨

[willow lion]

minecraft server is just a ip that u connect to

as long as u are on the right version

[thick widget]

Nope

[tropic slate]

the difference is that in Genshin Impact, the server it connects to is hardcoded in the client

[thick widget]

You'll get some delay

[tropic slate]

whereas in minecraft the server it connects to is specified by you, the user

[thick widget]

But I dont see delay being a huge option for a tcg

[pearl glade]

Anyone down for games?

[thick widget]

Go q

madge

[pearl glade]

Not open rn

Hence me asking

[thick widget]

Oh

[rose perch]

I can play but I am ass, I cant even beat the kaveh deck

[pearl glade]

Ok i wont play kaveh then

[rose perch]

610990570

[pearl glade]

Meow

[crystal tapir]

Guys what is max damage in tcg rn

[pearl glade]

Declined?

[rose perch]

can get 40 damage with anemo snake

i was alt tab try again

[pearl glade]

Ok

[summer berry]

Max damage is 544 iirc

[crystal tapir]

How get

10 block + mona + adeptus + 3 dmg arti

[summer berry]

Serpent with dendro res against a pyro res deck with scorp

Mona isn’t optimal

Because of how they decided to program serpent burst

[crystal tapir]

Opp Pyro res affect snake dmg?

[pearl fern]

I never did get my dmg screenshot

Too annoying to set up

[tawdry pollen]

mona deals low impact for real

[maiden zenith]

prepare skill would proc parametric multiple times, right?

[plucky pawn]

No

It wont

Even proc it

[willow lion]

it won't

it has to specifically do elemental dmg after using a action

if ur initial prepare don't do dmg, it won't proc

your finalize prepare won't proc no matter what

[tropic slate]

do dendro res and pyro res stack?

if you have them both via sir arthur?

[pearl fern]

Yeah

[pearl fern]

Parametric checks when you use a skill, so you get one para proc

[maiden zenith]

interesting, thanks
guess I could've gotten some extra hydro app then lol

[willow lion]

u need to do elemental dmg when using it too

[gloomy ocean]

I want the TOs to reevaluate the use of alt accounts in tournament, and I will continue to wait for a response to the messages I sent them 2 days ago. I want change, so I will advocate for it.

[slow mason]

how would they know if an account is an alt?

[gloomy ocean]

well I'm open to sharing ideas with them if they are willing to talk

[thick widget]

You're delusional

[peak palm]

This is a continuation of that conversation about not wanting to fight low AR accounts, isn't it...

[willow lion]

it is

[slow mason]

to put it simply, it's nearly impossible to prove someone is using an alt

[gloomy ocean]

I think it is extremely disingenuous for you to try to dissuade someone from having their voice heard.

[teal pier]

You can wait for Prince cup. Pc participants have to be local

[peak palm]

Maybe it's because I'm not really good at the TCG, but I don't really see the issue?

What exactly makes an alt a problem? Do they have some sort of advantage besides having played more?

[rose perch]

more chances at the prize

you never know how many alts they have

[slow mason]

an alt doesn't really matter, what would matter is if you played in multiple regions by using an alt

[teal pier]

Why can’t we play multiple regions

[slow mason]

we actually can

but it's not recommended

[slow mason]

as 9o_o6 said, it gives more chances at getting a prize

[peak palm]

Tbf, I feel like you should play your region, but it also doesn't feel like something you can casually police.

[slow mason]

but technically the rules don't ban it

[teal pier]

I don’t think so. You win because you have higher skill

9006 can play multiple regions too if he wants

He’ll have more chances then

[rose perch]

but that goes against my policy. It is scummy behavior exploiting a system

[teal pier]

I’d rather see my server has more invaders. Now I just can’t queue into a match. So little players

Invaders help our queue faster

[supple marsh]

alright guess I'll have to say it again

the reason you're not supposed to play in multiple regions is because you're taking away CTG circuit points (#cats-tail-leaderboard) from other regions

(for context: your CTG circuit points are only valid for the server that matches your geographical area)

[teal pier]

I don’t wanna be mean but it seems that If you cannot make it to top 16, you cannot win ss either

[supple marsh]

to be fair it depends on how far invaders get in CTG seasons

[rose perch]

TCG is skilled but it isnt that skilled. Sometimes things goes your way and you just win. If I had 5 chances at ctg every season one of them is bound to be top 16

[pearl glade]

Yeah like that 2 forbidden knowledge bloom saving my ass

[teal pier]

I mean there’re luck factors ranging top players from top 1 to top 16. But if you get more than 9 loses, it’s not luck factors then

[summer berry]

Idk

The way I view it is that

There are 3 different tournaments ongoing at the same time

And you can choose to participate in all 3 if you want to

[gloomy ocean]

and what happens when you get top 16 in all three?

[summer berry]

Wdym?

[plucky pawn]

Yuki sorry for cancelling((

[teal pier]

Yeah if anyone really cares people playing multiple regions, let’s just bully kevin who plays all three

[plucky pawn]

Cant play rn

[summer berry]

If you make top 16 in all 3 you just play KO in all 3

[teal pier]

My last opponent just canceled the match

Qwq

And I waited for 20 min, my next opponent csnceled too

[pearl fern]

kinda wish they didn't add the 'not recommended' in the rules because it's not enforceable anyway and it's honestly more headache than if they just didn't comment

[supple marsh]

you play in all 3 knockouts for a chance of real money, and one of those knockouts will give you points (the other two could but then they are invalidated because you're not in those regions unless you have multiple nationalities)

[summer berry]

I’d be more inclined to say that multi regioning or invading is bad if people actually get screwed over for serious showdown qualifications

[rose perch]

isnt that just scummy you are taking prizes from all the communities just cuz you are a bigger fish. Like if the Lakers goes to every College basketball tournament or heck goes to China

[teal pier]

we have prince cup

[summer berry]

So what you’re not allowed to play in tournaments because you win?

[teal pier]

Much more cash prize

[pearl glade]

Money goodge

[pearl fern]

my only problem with the discussion around this is that it's always outrage at people using alts but not offering up any reasonable ways to actually resolve it fairly, and then just attacking the players

[rose perch]

you are allowed to play in tournaments meant for you

[slow mason]

I feel like it worsens the quality of players in ss because people can get in with like 5 points

[rose perch]

that is whole point why we have women and male sports and why there are divisions

[pearl fern]

I have no problem if you say the system could be better, or that you don't like people playing in multiple regions and wish it could be enforced better - that's fine

[teal pier]

I’d rather use the time complaining to practice and improve my skills

[slow mason]

I think thats a whole different reason

[pearl fern]

but if you are going to make it a personal attack on the players who are just doing what's best for them within tournament rules that's a different story

[summer berry]

The reason there are multiple regions for CTG is because of the server limitations

Not to divide people based on their ethnicity

[teal pier]

Kevin can you queue now? I can’t find a match. It has been half an hour

[summer berry]

[pearl glade]

Kevin can you queue today? I wish to challenge the honored one.

[summer berry]

Normally people wouldn’t want to lose more games

Also I think my score is too low for you anyway

[pearl fern]

also you have it wrong anyway. The best way to force them to do something about multi-regioning

is to encourage more multi-region play

so that all 3 regions finals are the same 2 players

that is the way

[slow mason]

didn't that happen already

[pearl fern]

it was close

[pearl glade]

Global tcg ladder

[slow mason]

well almost

[pearl fern]

i think one player did appear in all the finals

[supple marsh]

not my Blep

[pearl fern]

we might have had one exact remathc

[rose perch]

If the staff flat out says this is a global tournament. By all means everyone is welcome but they said it is not encouraged and if it is not encouraged then you are exploiting a loophole they can't enforce and thus in my eyes cheating the system and I just hate unfair practices in competitve games I play.

[summer berry]

No one has been in a final of every region

[teal pier]

This is what happens if we ban invaders: waiting for 40 min and can’t get my last 2 games done

[pearl fern]

the not encouraged wording is meaningless though. I don't like they added it

[teal pier]

[summer berry]

Not encouraged is the same as saying they won’t stop you from doing it

[gloomy ocean]

why is it meaningless?

[pearl fern]

because it's not enforceable

[summer berry]

It’s not prohibited therefore the players didn’t do anything wrong

[pearl fern]

it's basically the same as saying it's ok

[slow mason]

I stopped playing in all regions when they added the not incouraged thing

[pearl fern]

but they can pretend they didn't say it was ok

it was better just not to have made any comment

[teal pier]

I think this not encouraging phrase is to comfort people who have been complaining

[slow mason]

but seeing as there is actually no consequence to it I might just go back

[summer berry]

Disliking it is fair

[rose perch]

See this is proper behavior if you know something is wrong you just dont do it that is sportmenship

[summer berry]

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion

[teal pier]

But they don’t really wanna ban this cuz more players quicker queue. Isn’t this a good thing

45 min now btw. Still can’t find a match

[gloomy ocean]

i suppose it is my fault for blindly hoping most players wouldn't engage in scummy tactics
though to be fair I do believe that most players do not do this

[willow lion]

i don't see anything wrong with playing in all 3 tournament

what's wrong with playing all 3

[pearl fern]

I don't feel it's fair to label this as a scummy tactic

[gloomy ocean]

what would you consider it?

[pearl fern]

if your attack is on the players then I won't agree with any premise

[teal pier]

Madge

[slow mason]

the biggest reason I would play in all 3 regions is just to practice, I probably wouldn't make it into top16 anyway

[pearl fern]

it's just players doing what is best for them within the rules of the tournament. There is no intent to actively try and disenfranchise another player

[slow mason]

:worrypat:

[pearl fern]

do I wish there was a better way? sure

but it's not the players' fault

[pearl glade]

Cn players are the real ones. Good players don’t even want to play with casuals unless forcibly compelled to.

[gloomy ocean]

that's fair, it makes no sense to not focus on only self in a tournament setting
again i recognize my hope is idealized

[pearl fern]

I don't think one is more right than another. In the end i recognize it as individual choice

[slow mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1222039537069588510.gif?size=128&quality=lossless

[pearl fern]

if you have the time to play 105 games across 3 servers and be around at all the queue times? Sure that's fine. I don't recommend it for your own sanity, but it's fine

if you think it's not good and you want to have the moral high road and play in your own region?

great that's fine

do that

[barren anchor]

tl;dr: it all went downhill after itto nerf

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/805662532354048060/1192856149297471488/1096961646053826700.gif

[slow mason]

playing 105 diano games was really fun when i used to play in all 3 regions

[pearl fern]

do I wish we could somehow keep players within their own region? sure that would be nice, but how are you doing that without hurting the queues?

[peak palm]

Honestly if you have the time to play 105 games and be in all the queue times then consider me a little jealous...

[pearl fern]

do I wish instead that every region was in a single queue? definitely

but guess what now that's going to make your games even harder

[pearl glade]

People def complained about invaders during itto era

[rose perch]

Again it is a tournament staff problem, people will always try to exploit loopholes the tournament organizers should be making rules more clear and with less ambiguity.

[gloomy ocean]

And for those who wish to not engage with players who don't want to take the moral high road?

[pearl fern]

if it's a tournament staff problem then stop calling the players scummy

[pearl fern]

that's not your choice to make. If you want to not engage with the players then the choice is to not participate

[rose perch]

but they are if you engage in something you know is wrong that is the definition of unsportmenlike.

[gloomy ocean]

very unforunate

[pearl fern]

there's no world where it makes sense to choose who you play against

as long as the players participating are allowed to

obviously if someone has 2 accounts in one region that is totally different, and there's been bans issued for that

[pearl fern]

your definition

there is no the definition

[rose perch]

thank god i am glad I brought about that change

you have no idea how many reports I send

[gloomy ocean]

how are they able to tell if someone is using two accounts in the same region exactly?

[pearl fern]

I'm not sure, I think it was mostly the person doing it slipped up somewhere. It's honestly hard to actually detect as well

[pearl glade]

They cant. The last ban was done cus he self admitted.

[slow mason]

not everyone agrees that it's wrong, it's not encouraged and explicitly not disallowed, that doesn't mean it's wrong

[slow mason]

you really can't unless the person messes up and tells on themselves

[gloomy ocean]

i'd imagine it's just as hard.
well if even that rule isn't truly enforceable that really calls into question the integrity of the tournament

[teal pier]

If we can’t change the rule, we improve ourselves

[cursive viper]

the only way to ensure something full integrity would be to ask everyone for id and then we would have 20 players

[teal pier]

Madge Madge

[pearl fern]

it's an unfortunate reality with it

[cursive viper]

worrypat i am all out of games trust

[pearl fern]

I would say yes it's a pretty big limitation of the way the tournament's run

[pearl glade]

Guys

Can we petition the orgs to allow us to play more than daily 5 and 35 cap?

[slow mason]

why?

[rose perch]

in end this is just a side mode in a gacha game. It just triggers me because I came from a lot of esports games in the past

[willow lion]

are any of those esport games allowing queue dodging after u know who your opponent is

[pearl glade]

Cus ctg fun and idc about points. They can stop point accumulation after daily/season limit if they want.

[willow lion]

that would just enable win trading 💀

so no

[rose perch]

there are q dodging but in tournament sense the problem was more smurfs and unfair standins

[summer berry]

Feel like we’re going around in circles

[pearl glade]

Oh good point

[gloomy ocean]

i understand
at the end of the day it boils down to, it is what it is
i rather have this kind of tournament than one with id checks.

[willow lion]

no esport game ever said u are strictly not allowed to smurf

[cursive viper]

circles are cool. thats the best shape

[gloomy ocean]

i regret doing what i did, but i felt compelled to act, as previous discussions seemed to get nowhere

[willow lion]

it's not encouraged in any of those game

but it's not prohibited

[pearl glade]

But like i don’t like how i would have to theretocally make alts in other region to do it.

[rose perch]

there are in dota 2 for example some tournaments are for certain mmr brackets

[pearl fern]

no it's triangles, madge

[plucky pawn]

The whole situation is, well, it will never found its end xD

[pearl glade]

How do you feel about triforce

[pearl fern]

I mean that's just multiple triangles

[willow lion]

and we don't have mmr here, nor do we need any because we have the prelim system

prelim is essentially figuring out who are capable of the "upper mmr bracket"

[plucky pawn]

Cuz there were a lot of such discussions
And its impossible to find a decision

[plucky pawn]

Without jokes, open mmr in coop would be nice

Ingame leaderboards, smth like this

[willow lion]

eh, we have a hidden mmr it's just not shown anywhere other than cn

[pearl glade]

Honestly the solution is pretty simple but impossible: creatibg global ladder and ctg. Impossible cus hoyo has no interest in doing so.

[willow lion]

i don't see it being necessary either

[rose perch]

it isnt a good example, my point was I have a history of playing competitive games and these exploits trigger me. Just ignore the rambling of this old man

[plucky pawn]

Yeah, so now its time to open it in eu na and as :3

[summer berry]

The act of playing in multiple regions or even just creating an account and playing in a single region which is what most cn players do

I feel like

It’s the same type of thing as playing the best deck

It’s just optimal

Some people view playing meta decks as cheap

Or in other games it could be the best character

[rose perch]

If hoyoverse comes out and says hey everyone play anywhere. I would have 0 problems with it and heck I will make an alt in CN and euro

[gloomy ocean]

also i just want to make it very clear that I'm not attacking you personally @summer berry or anyone who plays in multiple regions.
i understand wanting to do the best for self. it's an interesting parallel to natural selection you made 😅
if i was as good as you..

[summer berry]

The only reason people even complain about invaders is because everyone gets stomped by them

[willow lion]

u can't make a alt in CN because u don't have a cn id

lol

[gloomy ocean]

well still i wouldn't do it, but I totally get why others do

[summer berry]

I also want to point out that

[rose perch]

I meant asia there no CN cats tail right? or at least it not on this discord

[summer berry]

Even though multi regioning is “not encouraged” there’s absolutely nothing against playing in another region

[willow lion]

cn don't have cat tail

[summer berry]

Most cn players literally just play 1 region

[teal pier]

Invaders get stomped by kevin

[willow lion]

cn have 6 tournaments tho per patch

[summer berry]

And people don’t give a shit and hate on them anyway

[teal pier]

Oh except for 0meo hehe

[rose perch]

wait like hoyoverse funded tournaments or 3rd party?

[willow lion]

idk i don't know detail

[cursive viper]

and they discarded EU for Asia :C

[teal pier]

EU timezone is so bad for people live in cn

They have to play in midnight

[summer berry]

Wait until KO

[teal pier]

[plucky pawn]

Now its like
5:00 in cn right?

[pearl glade]

0meo won against the honored one?

[teal pier]

Two times

[pearl glade]

Sheesh

[summer berry]

🦤

No shame in losing

[cursive viper]

Kevin washed

[teal pier]

Actually three times? Idk who won in eu

[cursive viper]

[summer berry]

I beat them in EU

Because I’m undefeated

[teal pier]

Then it’s not her. It’s her sister playing

[summer berry]

🦤

[pearl glade]

LMSO

[cursive viper]

Did you play more?

[teal pier]

[plucky pawn]

[summer berry]

I did

Man

[cursive viper]

17-0 now?

[summer berry]

So many games left

🦤

How did he know

[cursive viper]

Yeah and no one in eu to play

[willow lion]

0meo 2-0 kevinz
me 2-2 0meo

that means i'm better than kevinz real

[teal pier]

[summer berry]

:sadge:

[teal pier]

Issok kevin. There are strong players like sherry who only loses to girls

[summer berry]

I don’t lose to you though

[teal pier]

Really

I have record

[summer berry]

🦤

Only once

Out of like 4 times

[teal pier]

That’s last year. Runa was new

[summer berry]

Last year I wasn’t even good

Now I’m still not good

But everyone else became worse

[teal pier]

Kevin so mean to me

I’ll buy seven bubble tea for top 8. Guess who won’t get one

[willow lion]

LMAO

[summer berry]

Nyahida won’t get one because he eliminated you last time

[teal pier]

[willow lion]

nah cuz this year is revenge

[pearl glade]

https://tenor.com/view/burn-oh-meme-wild-gif-17341427

[plucky pawn]

....I want bubble tea now
Drinked it 2 days ago
Gonna do it again

[cursive viper]

I think i beat sherry in asia but idk maybe not sherry

[plucky pawn]

Im Ayato yeah

Why no Ayato emojii

:sadge:

[pearl glade]

i want to get bubble tea but my wallet cri

it's like $7 around here for medium

[summer berry]

🦤

[plucky pawn]

Hmm
$4 for L and ~$5 for XL

[pearl glade]

idk if it's the same way in europe (i assume thats where you are from) but shops here nickle and dimes on bubble tea.

they charge you extra for tapioca balls and for sugar

so 5$ add up to $7

[plucky pawn]

@elfin smelt you were in "double bubble tea"??

[plucky pawn]

Saint Petersburg

[elfin smelt]

No...

[plucky pawn]

Why((
Pretty good place

[elfin smelt]

I mean... Food in russia is cheaper than in other countries i think...

[plucky pawn]

You have a point

[rich wasp]

[rich wasp]

[maiden zenith]

i must know if im the only one... when you keep facing the same person and wrecking them... do you change your avatar so they don't immediately decline when you match again? lol

[twilit steppe]

I don't do that but I know someone who did