[America Server] Discussions

[trail leaf]

ooo very nice

[placid basin]

Beautiful card back super excited for it

[weak grail]

https://fxtwitter.com/AstraCarnival/status/1722192239315529934

[thick charm]

pog new card, can't wait to show it off next to my purple card back

that I totally have received already

[thick widget]

Can't wait to use it next year

[tropic slate]

oh no

if they're doing this then that means the dragonspine one might remain exclusive

i really hope not

[slow mason]

I think we already knew that

[summer berry]

[blissful oracle]

I haven't even received my dragonspine back....

[crystal tapir]

Kinda want a higher requirement for card backs… 3 wins is too easy to get and not have much meaning to it

Maybe another card back between the extremely easy 3 wins and the extremely exclusive irl tournament participation one would be nice

[summer berry]

Surely a cardback for making it into KO

[night token]

I wish we have meme like cardbacks

[violet dome]

They’re giving 2 diff color chasm card backs for only 3 wins next season? Wow

[twilit steppe]

Maybe they want to give rewards to TCG newbies too, well 3 wins are probably hard for some newbies

[deft trench]

it was hard for me jajajaj and for the rewards i come here :3 and enjoy all the tournament ^^ initially I found it impossible to join, but once started I really like the experience

[twilit steppe]

Oh hopefully you have even better experience in future if you decided to join again

[trail leaf]

:,) it was tough for me too but that's probably just because i avoid meta decks... i only play stuff that i think is fun (or funny) to play

had 7 losses for 3 wins terrible ratio lol

[strong maple]

Omg please don't give them this idea... I understand your feeling but I've lost 8 times in a row before winning a duel... it's not that easy for everyone I just want the card back for the collection

[gleaming parcel]

As someone who only won a single game out of 19, I strongly disagree with the “easy”.

Easy for some people might be near impossible for others.
It’s dismissive and negative, and can be really hurtful because it makes people who struggle to win feel like they are less than, suck, terrible, worthless, pathetic, or any other negative word.

It’s the same thing with abyss, which is an entirely different issue, but people boasting/complaining about how easy abyss is is a slap in the face to everyone who struggles to complete abyss, let alone get 36 stars.

Your message has the same vibe.

Please be mindful in the future how hurtful statements like this can be to players who are new, learning, unlucky, or struggle in general.

[cursive gazelle]

i kinda get what you mean though, wish there was a middle tier between super casual and super competitive players

[gleaming parcel]

The only thing I want them to change is making the competition hours more open.
As someone who has work, and will soon be starting a second job, I don’t know how I’d be able to participate much outside of maybe one or two days, let alone reach 25 battles .

I had one day where I spent the entire 5 hours only playing tcg, because it was my only day off, and it absolutely shredded my mental health after losing every single game in that 5 hours.
Out side of that single day, I really wasn’t able to get many more games in because I had work (I work evenings) or sleeping (because I work evenings). My second job will now occupy my mornings / day and my main job still being evenings.

If you have a job/school thatdoesn’t fall in the usual 9-5 / 8-4 you’re screwed in terms of when you can play and it ruins personal life and makes the awards practically unattainable.

Also, I wish they could do something to limit repeat games. I had more than a few matches that were with the same people twice in a row.

Unfortunately I don’t think there is a place for me to voice my concerns in regards to competition hours, not that my voice matters anyways.

But no, they should not raise the bar when there are players still not achieving it.

[thick charm]

fwiw I think they're okay with rematches. As in, specifically you can match with the same person twice and no more

which is kinda weird if you ask me but ig they acknowledge it's not okay for SI to unleash carnage on any poor sob more than a couple times

[eternal musk]

I think a tier between 3 wins and Prince Cup top 8 is welcome too.
And well, CTG is a difficult tournament for casuals, 3 wins is ok per participation.
I also never have free time to play my 35 games and that's reason enough to take my games seriously in my little free time during the week. This means at least preparing adequately as for any tournament. This isn't like game events where you have everything easily guaranteed. It could indeed be a bloodbath in the last few days for unsuspecting casuals.

Furthermore, i think that what really needs to be improved urgently is the publicity of these events.

[thick charm]

yea it's weirdly not advertised for being free participation and having exclusive collectibles

like I absolutely wouldn't have participated just for primos but I had no idea this was a thing until season 4

but as soon as I learned about this I was like "wtf is an astra carnival and a prince cup"

and yea sure I would've been okay if one of the two card backs were made a little bit harder, maybe to incentivize you to play more than 3 games.
But also not too high to be a n x i e t y gaming

[eternal musk]

While Genshin is a casual game, a competitive TCG tournament is not. Maybe the fanbase is just not used to it.

[crystal tapir]

My bad if I came off as negative earlier.

The idea is to introduce a middle achievement level for experienced players to feel a sense of pride in their accomplishments.

For many TCG players, achieving 3 wins isn't a big deal, especially with the new matchmaking changes. Even players with just a 10% win rate still have a good chance of reaching at least 3 wins. But if you're willing to put in the effort and follow a guide (or maybe just spam Oceanid and another summon character), you can easily boost that win rate.

In Genshin terms, completing Abyss floor 3 might be challenging for those who haven't leveled up any characters yet. However, if you invest time into leveling them up, it should become a breeze for most people.

Best of luck to you in the next tournament!

[pearl glade]

Card backs

Where are they??

@thick charm are you still playing bin this season?

[thick charm]

hey if Itto got nerfed that means my Noelle is more relevant

[pearl glade]

Yeah it’s better to go Noelle now

I think it might be better to replace itto with another geo as well

Im thinking zhongli or lawachurl?

[sullen walrus]

Zhongli cope

[pearl glade]

Zhong might be better than itto at this point

[sullen walrus]

[rich wasp]

zl gets a lot better with itto nerf

not sure if it’s enough to make him good, but better

[night token]

https://tenor.com/view/zhongli-dance-phut-hon-genshin-impact-gif-20000532

[polar barn]

[nocturne kestrel]

all in all zl needs his weapon and totm as early as possible

i am trying dsumeru dhydro zl see if it help zl get his equipments early

[ancient spindle]

Zhongli Baizhu YaoYao

[pearl glade]

I tried it

Its not sauce

[thick charm]

me playing 5 games a day for a week

[jolly osprey]

Did anyone get the limited edition card back for participating?

I haven't received it yet

[twilit steppe]

Only the Prince Cup participants so far

[glad junco]

do we know what season 3's cardback is?

[jolly osprey]

I participated in it in August, and got the required amount of wins and still don't have the card back

[thick charm]

guys i have the slight suspicion that Soon™ might not be so soon

[night token]

Maybe we'll have to wait until Dec 25th?

[median oak]

ok quick question about catalyzing field, does it buff the dmg of swirl reactions? and if so I may commit team building heresy

[tropic slate]

yes but only until it runs out, going to the right

if you have one catalyzing field stack, and swirl electro, then the next character will take 2 electro and the character after will take 1 electro

[median oak]

intersting, so it only boosts 1 instance of electro at a time?

[tropic slate]

yes, each stack of catalyzing field boosts one instance of electro or dendro by 1

swirl inflicts multiple instances, so each individual instance consumes one stack until there aren't any left

shenhe's quills work the same way

[blissful oracle]

I thought I was the only one... I was already afraid...

[hybrid whale]

Why is Nilou so unbelievably cute in TCG (esp the conversation when you send her an invitation)…I hadn’t touched it recently because depression but if she happens to be top tier I might consider coming back

[jolly osprey]

I asked customer service about this last night. Will let you know when they reply

[thick charm]

because Nilou is unbelievably cute in general

[tropic slate]

it's still too early to tell for sure, but I think she's "good but not top tier"

really lethal if you don't know how to play around her, not that bad if you do

[cursive gazelle]

so... 4.2 version of wanderer

[slow mason]

why wanderer?

[cursive gazelle]

"good but not too tier, lethal if you don't know how to play around"

[slow mason]

oh yeah sounds about right

[mint juniper]

sorry if its been clairfied already, but what's the difference btwn the iron and the crystal ones (3 wins in a season for both, right?)
((there's just been so much said since that it's hard to parse through))

[weak grail]

Well both of them say "in a future season", doesn't particularly mean the same season... but yeah. 3 victories

I was personally wondering whether they made a mistake and meant like 3/15/top 8 or something but idk

will just have to wait

[pallid fog]

[polar barn]

@twilit steppe

hi

raiden E where aywah

[twilit steppe]

Well I played badly and my dices were extremely bad

[polar barn]

sadge

[polar barn]

looks like i higrolled again

😞

[twilit steppe]

Well I highrolled during this one too

[prime scroll]

poor lonely liben

[shut kraken]

classic

reminds me of 3.3

[jolly osprey]

this is the reponse i got about the missing TCG back...

[blissful oracle]

Could you let me know when they get back to you after you send them all that?

[muted cairn]

Someone actually go to CS on this?

Uhh I think you guys really need to chill out and wait.

The card back will take a while

No players except the prince cup top8 got any cardbacks yet

And last prince cup was months ago

They only got it for like a week

[blissful oracle]

I haven't done anything xd
I just want to know, If everyone is like this, we just have to wait...

[muted cairn]

November hasn't ended (which is the time frame they mentioned). CTG prize has always not been fast.. every other day there is another question about cardback. If the cardback is out, you will know

Cuz ppl here will talk about it

As a bit of a timeframe picture, CTG prize usually come one season after the current season is over.

[slow mason]

just have patience

[lucid sable]

[eternal musk]

[jolly osprey]

must have been my CS inquiry, reminded them 😝

i got it too

[jolly osprey]

time frame was revised to be October, I earned it in July lol.

[slow mason]

[gleaming parcel]

Really nice knowing that I’m in the minority when it comes to success in this tournament.

We do try. We do practice. And plan. And make efforts to get better. But sometimes we have bad luck. Sometimes our best isn’t enough.
You have awards that already aren’t attainable to players, despite the emphasis that it’s “easy” and you want to make them even more unattainable.

People losing 10 games before they even win one? Even if they played every single match they could with that that’s still not 10%!

Again, I said it earlier. Other members have expressed that they also have difficulty winning even a single match. But be mindful of stating that challenges like these are easy for you when there are still players who cannot even reach that bar despite giving everything they have and putting in the time and effort to not be a failure.

For if we cannot even win 3 matches, they I guess in your eyes we must be truly terrible and awful players to even consider participating in this event who are out of our minds to think we could ever do something so “easy” in the first place. Guess all of us who can’t win a single match are true failures and should give up at even trying.

[cursive gazelle]

probably only the staff knows the % of participants with at least 3 wins

[gleaming parcel]

With the way some people in this server talk, they give the impression that the amount of people who have less than 3 wins should be next to zero and the people who can’t win are terrible and shouldn’t participate because this is “only for serious players”

[cursive gazelle]

idk where you are getting this impression from. most people active here are very active in the tcg community already so they are experienced players, thats why they say 3 wins is easy for them. i havent seen anyone say 3 wins is easy for everyone

[gleaming parcel]

if “3 wins is easy for most people here” then that means that those of us who can’t even get 3 wins must truly suck

[cursive gazelle]

and no one is saying to remove the 3-win card back? we just wanted another tier in the middle

[gleaming parcel]

nah people definitely said they think they should raise it

[crystal tapir]

well statistically every game has a winner and a loser making winrate 50%
so if you interoperate my words as saying you're "in the minority when it comes to success" that is factual unfortunately

im not asking to remove the 3 win cardback, i think it is a nice reward
but for those who are "serious" players im just suggesting an additional reward

[slow mason]

if you suck you can improve

[cursive gazelle]

well yes, to the very experienced players who can consistently rank in top 16 every season, most other people here suck in comparison

[gleaming parcel]

that 3 wins is too easy to get the card back and they want the win requirement to be raised so that the card back becomes even more exclusive than it already is

[slow mason]

I am a pretty bad player but I played tournaments from release so I'm not terrible anymore

[crystal tapir]

i dont see how adding a tier of reward will affect those below it
it only adds incentive to become better at the game

[gleaming parcel]

people only suggested adding a middle tier of rewards after the suggestion was made to raise the minimum

[supple marsh]

About being unable to get 3 wins: I think the problem is not the lack of balancing, but rather transparency on how matchmaking works. AFAIK matchmaking is now skill-based (?) for two CTG seasons now, yet we still do not know the specifics. Perhaps knowing how matchmaking works could explain why winning is harder for some...?

[crystal tapir]

esp if it skill based i honestly cant see how a new player cant get 3 wins

[gleaming parcel]

Playing almost 20 games and only winning a single match

even after making changes to my deck

[crystal tapir]

what efforts have you made to learning the game?

[cursive gazelle]

can you point out who suggested to remove the 3-win cardback requirement and when?

[slow mason]

knowing how it works isnt something I see as necessary

[crystal tapir]

if you want to learn to get stronger we can help

[gleaming parcel]

I’ve asked for help here, I’ve played more battles with different characters, I’ve made changes to my team, I’ve played around with different cards and teams, I’ve done everything I’m supposed to

[crystal tapir]

alright can we see your deck currently?

im down to give advice always

[supple marsh]

From my POV, I don't think I've seen anyone mentioning raising the bar (yet) and I would personally recommend against it; that said, having a mid-tier reward is a good thing to have in addition to the 3-win one

[gleaming parcel]

Here, mister suggesting to raise the requirement.

[crystal tapir]

ummm when?

[cursive gazelle]

and read the one msg below

[crystal tapir]

i suggested adding a middle tier iirc

[gleaming parcel]

Not in your first message.

[cursive gazelle]

you need to read things in context

[supple marsh]

Yeah...

[cursive gazelle]

in the immedaite next msg nyanhida suggested to add a middle tier

instead of raising the requirement for 3-win cardback

[gleaming parcel]

And immediately after they said that, several players voiced their concerns about why raising the tier was a bad idea

[crystal tapir]

im saying for people who are like strong players (20 ish wins)
they arent getting the cardback recognation they deserve
because almost everyone in the tournament gets the same reward as them

[cursive gazelle]

because apparently ppl jump to conclusion after reading the first line

[gleaming parcel]

I’m just saying that going around boasting about how easy this tournament is disrespectful and hurtful to those who can’t even get the minimum reward

[crystal tapir]

mb if thoughts arent conveyed well

[gleaming parcel]

Well glad to know I’m not the only one who “misinterpreted” the message then

[crystal tapir]

im saying 3 wins is easy... most people who have played will agree...

[cursive gazelle]

no one is boasting here, ppl are merely making a suggestion based on their own experience from the tournament

[gleaming parcel]

And for those of us who can’t achieve the “easy?”
After trying everything?
How are we supposed to feel?

[blissful oracle]

Arrived:)

[cursive gazelle]

omg the cardbacks are here

[crystal tapir]

if i truly am not able to clear abyss floor 3 after "trying everything" ill probably quit

but i hightly doubt they have "tried everything"

[gleaming parcel]

So you’re saying I should quit because I suck and can’t even do the easy

[crystal tapir]

no... thats just me

some people play for fun

[blissful oracle]

All that's left is to get the new back now 🙂

[crystal tapir]

i play games to become good at it, its my way of having fun

its different for everyone

im just competitive in nature

[slow mason]

like I dont know how others feel but if I fail to get a card back I know that it's only because of my own lack of skill, if I want the card back I need to keep trying to get better

[cursive gazelle]

at the end of the day tcg is not a game for everyone

[crystal tapir]

think of the cardback as a rank, achieving it makes you feel good
if everyone has the highest rank in the game
then the rank will have lost its meaning

[gleaming parcel]

And sometimes we still try and still fail, get unlucky rolls or not the cards we need

[cursive gazelle]

someone find joy in improving themselves in areas where they currently lack skill, other ppl will only attempt things they are already naturally good at

[slow mason]

I couldnt get the golden card back from the na prince cup but that doesnt discourage me it just means I have to keep improving

[gleaming parcel]

But nice to know that the message here is “if you suck and can’t get better just quit”

[crystal tapir]

im sorry... not everyone can hit challenger in league, not everyone can go pro
ive tried, put thousands of hours into league
and yet i still suck

[gleaming parcel]

Apparently not if you can get the card back

[crystal tapir]

its the truth

i no longer understand the point youre trying to argue for so ima go play some tcg

[slow mason]

that is the opinion of one person

[gleaming parcel]

Multiple people have said that, just in different formats

[slow mason]

unless you are physically incapable of improving I wouldnt say to give up because you're bad

[crystal tapir]

i would say try and get better
but if you have "tried everything"
and only the cardback matters for you and not playing for enjoying the game
then yes you should quit the game

if you have fun just playing the game then what is one cardback?

[gleaming parcel]

My point is the words you say make people feel less-than, inadequate, suck, pathetic, and everything in between

[crystal tapir]

well im sorry, hope this makes you feel better

[gleaming parcel]

I’m m just asking you to be mindful

Easy for you isn’t easy for everyone

[crystal tapir]

anyways i think everyone new "sucks"

however the effort those new players put into the game will make those players really good in the future

[gleaming parcel]

Stop it

[crystal tapir]

i was there

everyone was

we put hundreds of hours into the game

[gleaming parcel]

and some people have jobs and lives so they can’t just sit in front of a screen for 12 hours a day doing nothing but tcg

[cursive gazelle]

wow you make it sounds like the top ranked tcg players dont hav jobs and lives outside of tcg

thanks

[supple marsh]

Here's my two cents: apparently the people working on CTG have already thought about how to grant rewards to everyone who played while trying to avoid people cheesing the reward

hence the requirement

I can agree it's not perfect, but it's also not something to get really mad about

[cursive gazelle]

but tbf if someone already has experience in other card games, it will be quicker for them to get good

[gleaming parcel]

I literally was only able to participate one day out of the entire tournament because of the hours I works.
And now that I have a second job, that participation and practice time will be even less

[cursive gazelle]

dont think anyone was mad that there are only 2 tiers to the cardbacks

[gleaming parcel]

Nah, they’re mad it’s too easy and not exclusive enough

[crystal tapir]

then stop complaining about not being able to get good... you havent put the effort in, which is what makes a player good

[slow mason]

they're mad there's no middle reward

[crystal tapir]

you havent "tried everything" you simply havent put the effort in

[gleaming parcel]

JUST BECAUSE IM NOT GOOD DOESNT MEAN I HAVENT PUT THE EFFORT IN

[slow mason]

and mad is a strong word to begin with

[eternal musk]

I'm sorry but most people related to the TCG tend to help everyone who asks for advice here.

[cursive gazelle]

we've literally explained this to you that no one here has expressed this way, so if you choose to believe what you want instead of the evidence before your eyes, theres not much we can do to help you feel better

[crystal tapir]

alright yea im really bad at expressing myself appearantly

i hope people around can help express my thoughts better

:exit:

[cursive gazelle]

ya dont think anyone was mad here to begin with

[gleaming parcel]

I literally just said I can’t spend day and night playing tcg when I have 2 jobs, medical bills to pay, and a life outside of genshin
Yeah, I work for it but I literally can’t just eat breathe sleep tcg they way you apparently can

I don’t like being around people that make me feel worthless and terrible, okay
I AM trying, I HAVE been trying, I HAVE gotten help and HAVE BEEN GETTING HELP
But it’s still apparently not enough. Not to you apparently

[supple marsh]

(read my message above)

[supple marsh]

About getting help: I think I need to know what kind of help you got

[cursive gazelle]

omg

[gleaming parcel]

Lol as someone who was actually able to be a professional athlete this is kinda stupid

to send me

[slow mason]

I dont think this is the right way to go about this

[supple marsh]

Guys, can we stop the personal attacks here?

[crystal tapir]

youre right

[eternal musk]

whenever you talk like that i feel like you think that people here don't have a life beyond Genshin and that's also quite disrespectful

[cursive gazelle]

wait why not? /gen

[eternal musk]

[gleaming parcel]

4 summers straight literally all I did was 85 days straight of physical training and performance. I was able to put in the time and effort to do it because hey, 8am wake up, straight to practice
12pm lunch
1pm practice
6pm dinner
7pm practice
12am sleep
8am wake up and do it again

You do that for 85 days straight, in 100 degree heat
yeah, you jet good because it’s all you do

But that’s not realistic to do when you have jobs and life and that’s why it was only a summer activity

[crystal tapir]

YES! EXACTLY

what i ws trying to convey

you put the effort in

you had the time

and you are good it it

i cant put the effort in even if i wanted to

just like how maybe you cant grind tcg because of jobs

[gleaming parcel]

But doing what I did for those summers is not achieveable in a normal day-to day life outside of that

You’re saying you can grind though
And that if you’re able to and want to get food then you have to grind every waking hour you can

might as well not sleep or eat then according to your logic

[supple marsh]

I feel like the answer to this problem, honestly, isn't "play more"

[slow mason]

ok but

[gleaming parcel]

I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make

“If you wanna be good just give up everything except tcg for 3 months”

[slow mason]

that just means it's not that hard to get for most people because they have time to practice

[night token]

I don't think that's how reality works

[slow mason]

which is just whats expected in a competitive card game

[gleaming parcel]

that’s kinda what she is saying to do though

[slow mason]

yeah it'll be hard if you dont have time

[gleaming parcel]

It is hard for people
We need to eat, sleep, take care of ourselves
Some of have full time jobs, multiple jobs, relationships to maintain

[night token]

It's also not healthy to have your identity associated with TCG

[gleaming parcel]

What happened to genshin being made for the casual player to work on in between their busy lives

[cursive gazelle]

ya its called arena of champions

this is a competitive tournament

[gleaming parcel]

so you’re saying only the extremely skilled players that never lose games should participate this event and anyone who wants to learn or have fun shouldn’t participate in this

[slow mason]

no

[cursive gazelle]

see you are twisting my words again

[slow mason]

you can have fun regardless

[cursive gazelle]

ya

[slow mason]

and close to no one never losses

[gleaming parcel]

“But As long as you’re not competitive you should expect to lose every single game and not get any prize”

[crystal tapir]

original point: should add a middle tier reward focus towards strong but not top players
critisism: youre making me feel bad because 3 wins is not easy for me

by that time the argument already didnt make sense so what are we even arguing for 🤔

[jolly osprey]

not everyone is above average, it's ok

[cursive gazelle]

ty for the summary

[gleaming parcel]

Py stop it

[eternal musk]

only people who played a few games have a 100% winrate

[jolly osprey]

if it means so much to you, copy a top deck and run it

[slow mason]

you dont have to play only for the prize

I lose a lot but I still find enjoyment in the game

[gleaming parcel]

I literally said I wasn’t not making efforts to improve, I’ve made efforts

[night token]

Now now, we should keep disagreements civil and respectful

[slow mason]

^

man

[gleaming parcel]

I said stop it

[slow mason]

you are not making this any better

[gleaming parcel]

All I said was the bar shouldn’t be raised if there are still a lot of people who can’t even reach it

[eternal musk]

honestly i'm not surprised that dissatisfied people show up here from time to time, but that's actually how tournaments work.

[crystal tapir]

THE POINT OF A COMPETITIVE REWARD IS NOT FOR EVERYONE TO REACH IT

[jolly osprey]

who are the lot of people, i only see 1 person who can't get it

[slow mason]

god

please dont be rude

[gleaming parcel]

There have been several who have actually expressed that they couldn’t

not just me

just because they aren’t in here right now talking doesn’t mean they don’t exist

[jolly osprey]

well i want the card back for getting top 8

but i didn't get it. i have accepted my fate that i am not a top 8 player

[gleaming parcel]

You’re making assumptions about me as well, saying I haven’t made efforts to improve, when I have made efforts,

I’ve made multiple news decks and moved characters around and tried different sets and doubling cards and taking recommendations, I’ve done ALL of that

[slow mason]

so

[jolly osprey]

sorry for being judgemental

[slow mason]

what is your goal?

[gleaming parcel]

But I can still only win 1/20 games

[jolly osprey]

i wish you the best for next season

[night token]

Trolling, starting drama, and personal attacks don't really help

[gleaming parcel]

No you don’t, leave me alone

[eternal musk]

there will be other opportunities

[ancient spindle]

Dw you can get new card back instead

[eternal musk]

during S3 i couldn't even play a single game because i was hospitalized

[supple marsh]

Yeah, I think it's better to forget about it since it's over

[gleaming parcel]

But I don’t know if I can get the new card backs or win anything with the allotted competition times because of my 2 jobs.

[eternal musk]

so i just waited for the next season

[night token]

The jobs take priority

No one is blaming you for putting food on the table

[gleaming parcel]

Last time I really was only able to participate on a single day, so I just spent 5 hours straight of soley losing tcg and it made me feel horrible about myself
Because i really didn’t think I was that horrible of a player

[jolly osprey]

just copy a top deck and run it. mona klee or something. it's so easy that way

[supple marsh]

OK, so as I've said, I'm pretty sure the card back requirements are made so anyone who doesn't enter with the intention to cheese just for the card back gets it

[gleaming parcel]

But there are people like me who can’t even reach that.

[crystal tapir]

not everyone can be good at everything (just accept it)
whether its time, talent, injuries, etc.

[jolly osprey]

copy a top deck bro

[gleaming parcel]

I don’t like statements like this because it promotes quitting and giving up and its demeaning and negative

[jolly osprey]

i want to be in the NBA

but i cant dunk

[crystal tapir]

i cant be the fastest runner since i broke my leg

i dont HAVE to quit

its called running for fun

[gleaming parcel]

Can I finish talking please

[crystal tapir]

but i cant be the best runner now can i?

[cursive gazelle]

no its important to realize where your own limits are

[night token]

You know, repeatedly complaining in a nonconstructive manner, putting yourself down, and treating others as your personal therapists is not healthy to you and the environment for the community

[supple marsh]

I know - so I'd say if you think you can make any tweaks to the requirements then I'd suggest that you head to the feedback form and put it there. I don't think anyone here has the power to change that.

[cursive gazelle]

giving up is the right and healthy thing to do sometimes

[gleaming parcel]

I didn’t know there was a feedback form ; honestly the only thing I want is just less constrictive participation times

but what I was saying

[jolly osprey]

less restrictive times = worse matchmaking quality. same pool of people diluted over a larger time period. imma veto that request thanks

[slow mason]

to be fair if time is that much of an issue I wouldnt say you should quit but I would say you shouldnt enter a tournament expecting the prizes to be free

[gleaming parcel]

I never said i expected prizes to be free

Omg can I please finish

[crystal tapir]

well you have to do cost benefit,
with more times the queue will the less active leading to

1. longer queue time
2. worse matchmaking quality
3. easier queue sniping/win trading

[slow mason]

[eternal musk]

past seasons have had much worse mm though

[ancient spindle]

Aim for the true reward, the friendship we make along the way

[eternal musk]

simply because it was rng fest

[jolly osprey]

instead some people damage their mental health and soapbox

it's just a game

[crystal tapir]

btw have yall cooked 4.2?
need some help building a nilou deck

[jolly osprey]

it's just a PNG

[supple marsh]

... Let's just end it here.

[eternal musk]

nilou is cope

[jolly osprey]

i think run nilou with mona to trigger blooms off field and maybe collei

[night token]

I haven't thought of any character cards that would go w/ Nilou

[crystal tapir]

nilou is poggers with the talent tho

[gleaming parcel]

I would still like to finish but no one is letting me; I’m typing

[eternal musk]

cope too

[crystal tapir]

im sure its nilou baizhu
but not sure what the 3rd hydro should be

[eternal musk]

[jolly osprey]

dude its a chat room, there is no start or finish

[slow mason]

I wait

[eternal musk]

Mona/Rhodeia

[supple marsh]

@gleaming parcel just type, I'm all ears if no one else is

[cursive gazelle]

oceanoid is most common for the 3rd in nilou baizhu

[eternal musk]

You know there aren't many options for bloom decks (69 combinations in total and most are verified as copes)

[crystal tapir]

oceanid makes turns feel weird and mona also kinda...

[cursive gazelle]

but the lack of direct dmg from the deck is

[crystal tapir]

tried mona going bai -> mona+ranp
then mona or nilou skill based on oppo aura

[jolly osprey]

my nilou deck is going to be NILOU DORI BAIZHU for friendship points, and then back to my main deck

[crystal tapir]

oceanid might be better but summons are late and wasting aura is common

[eternal musk]

I generated this so you can see how bad the options are.
the first 15 you can now discard.

[night token]

I feel like almost all the meta decks revolve around oceanid

[crystal tapir]

oceanid honestly idnt even that much of a nerf

most the time its overkill anyways and 4 base helps a lot as anchor if need be

[night token]

I like froggy

https://tenor.com/view/white's-tree-frog-snowflake-snowflake-frog-frog-frogs-gif-540938687770057080

[crystal tapir]

loses some power against stall but stall loses to everything anyways
esp nilou bloom talent

[slow mason]

[cursive gazelle]

ok how about

ayato as 3rd

[crystal tapir]

froggy reminds me of losing all my aura procs... ;-;

[eternal musk]

george...

[crystal tapir]

also tried ayato and hes better anchor but its easy to dodge aura procs with no hydro summon

[cursive gazelle]

ya thats the problem i found too

[eternal musk]

cn tried both Ayato and Tartaglia with some frequency

[crystal tapir]

any decks to send guys?

gonna go try them out

nilou is fun

[cursive gazelle]

hows Childe doing

[eternal musk]

bad too

[night token]

He's in prison?

[eternal musk]

[crystal tapir]

waiting for the day they add dendro fatui :)

for that fatui res

[night token]

Omg, you're right, I literally forgot that there's no dendro fatui

[cursive gazelle]

does dendro fatui even exist in the side game

[night token]

I mean they touch a lot of grass right?

I mean, there's no rule saying there can't be a dendro fatui

[crystal tapir]

coming soon tm bet

[jolly osprey]

there weren't even dendro fatui in sumeru, it's joever

[night token]

We got two beautiful fatui ladies

One's anemo and the other is cryo

[slow mason]

anemo?

[night token]

Wind Operative fatui?

[slow mason]

oh I didnt know another fatui was added to the game

side game

[cursive gazelle]

wanderer the could-have-been anemo fatui

[crystal tapir]

wait... is wanderer fatui

in tcg

[eternal musk]

no

[crystal tapir]

oh

[night token]

He quit

[crystal tapir]

it would be quite problematic xD

if it was

[eternal musk]

he doesn't even have a faction

[night token]

He's a free man

[crystal tapir]

anyone wanna come join for a few matches?

na server

[slow mason]

tempting

but I have to cook diner

[crystal tapir]

:ohn:

[night token]

I almost thought it was december xD

[slow mason]

it is december

[gleaming parcel]

I didn’t like losing every single match, so I reached out and got advice, I got advice HERE and I made tweaks based on the suggestions given to me HERE by other players.
People physically looked at my decks, and suggested I add and remove cards, and I did. I doubled up on cards as well as per suggestions. People made mock decks for me.

After building a deck and playing some Npcs, and casual coop games, I asked for a more serious player here to practice with me. And they did. And I learned. They gave me good advice. And it helped. I did get better. Multiple people HERE did help me.

So to say that I haven’t been trying to get better is a disservice not only to my efforts but to the other players here who have also helped me.

I do feel better prepared for a second season of me playing, competing I guess, if my time allows me to compete. I did make changes. I understand cards better, not just mine, but others I don’t have or don’t play.

If we’re talking goals, I just want “something.” I’m not expecting a participation award, I know life doesn’t work like that. But I would like awards to be in general attainable and not out of reach for all except a tiny number of people.
I understand I have to put effort in to win a prize, im not that dumb and I don’t appreciate the he insinuation that I am that dumb or naive. I have been putting in effort. But I would also like to not LOSE every single match I play. I made an effort to not lose every single match, but sometimes it still happens. A bad roll of the dice, not pulling the cards you need… it happens to even the best of us.
I’m not asking for freebies or hand outs, like it was insinuated, im asking for effort to be rewarded. I’d like to be able to win SOME games and be able to get some kind of prize for those wins. But if I can’t win, I can’t get anything. Which I understand, is life.
I came in not expecting to win every game, but I certainly didn’t expect to LOSE every single game either. I didn’t expect to be shamed by others for losing that many games, I didn’t expect to feel so terrible about myself and my game play by losing THAT MUCH. I didn’t expect other people here to look down on those who can’t even win 3 games. I didn’t expect to feel so inferior and inadequate. And that’s a feeling that I absolute having.

I’m upset because I didn’t expect to do as badly as I did. Again, I didn’t expect to win every single game, but I hoped to win at least more than 1/20 matches. and not being able to hurts, and it hurts even more when it feels like the people around me look down on players like me who struggle with the easy.

That’s why I got so upset. Because I don’t like being looked down on and made to feel inferior or less than those around me. I know I can be a bit passive aggressive with my words, but no one was listening. I genuinely felt like I was being told “if you can’t be good, don’t participate in competitions and quit.” I don’t like quitting because to me, quitting means accepting that I suck and am terrible and have to value or no skill at something I really enjoy. and that feeling isn’t a pleasant one.

I hoped for sympathy; easing the bar was suggested and I explained why it wasn’t a good idea because a lot of players struggle to even reach that bar. and the response was very cold and dismissive despite other players expressing similar frustrations about not being able to reach the bar that was already set. and that was even more hurtful, especially as someone who is a deeply emotional person. But again, I’m not asking for freebies. I’m asking for people to be mindful of their behaviors and word choice here because it can be hurtful, not just to me but other players too, and it makes this and the whole tcg community even exclusive, elitist, and cliquey. and that isn’t fun.

[slow mason]

[crystal tapir]

man time passes by fast

[jolly osprey]

holy essay

[crystal tapir]

already 4.2

[jolly osprey]

too long; didnt read

[night token]

My American brain forgets that international date format are different

[gleaming parcel]

Leave me alone py

I don’t want advice from someone who bullies those he feels is inferior

[crystal tapir]

leoric lmk when

we play next time

:)

been a while

[eternal musk]

3.7 seems like yesterday. Good times that never come back.

[jolly osprey]

did you just assume my gender?

[crystal tapir]

3.7 was great

[supple marsh]

This might sound weird but can I discuss privately with you via DMs?

[crystal tapir]

i joined 3.6 when theres only mmec
then 3.7 shook up the game so much
fast forward to 4.2 after a few months break from the game the meta hasnt changed much

[gleaming parcel]

Nah that’s not weird at all, go ahead

I mean my message wasn’t directed at you soley either but you said you were the only one listening, I appreciate that

[night token]

One of the most memorable thing I remember in 3.7 is that Timmie is the king of games

[slow mason]

in 4.3

[supple marsh]

Did you see my message on your side?

[jolly osprey]

timmie was a let down

[slow mason]

when I'm in vacations

[jolly osprey]

thought timmie would be the final boss

but he crumpled too easily

[night token]

If Timmie were to have a discord, his username would be pigeon king

[eternal musk]

You haven't lost much really.
But he came back at a good time if you want to know.

[jolly osprey]

war crimes

[eternal musk]

[slow mason]

but I kinda dont see the bar being too high, not because I think it's easy but because it looks like a fairly reasonable goal for people like you to look up to, I still disagree with anyone having said to increase the requirements for getting a card back, from what I saw people only suggested geting a middle reward which makes sense to incentivizes the players who arent amazing at the game but also dont think 3 wins is too hard

[crystal tapir]

issok nahida isnt real she cant hurt pigeons

[night token]

Nahida wouldn't hurt a fly!

[gleaming parcel]

I feel like you missed the point… like that was a point but that wasn’t the only point of that.

[jolly osprey]

try bullet points

can't wait to use navia's gun on timmie's pigeons 😝

[gleaming parcel]

I’m someone who rarely has any confidence in myself, and even when I get a tiny amount, even if it’s the size of a raisin, it hurts an awful lot when that confidence is crushed.
Especially when that confidence is continually beaten with a stick by those around me
No use beating a dead horse.

3 wins might be easy for you, easy for most, but it isn’t easy for everyone, as is established and my main point.

And no one seems to have empathy to those who might struggle to even get those 3 wins.

[jolly osprey]

he just wants sympathy. you can do it next time! you got this! it's tough but you're getting better!

🤗 hugs

[slow mason]

summarizing points what I got is:
you have gotten advice from people and improved at least a little in this season
you still plan on playing the next tournament if time allows it
you want a reward that is attainable (which I would argue is already the case for the blue card back)
losing is demoralizing (can't blame you for that )
you feel like you are insulted by players here (I think [most] people were respectful)
you want people to choose their words better

[night token]

Don't take criticisms as personal attacks, but what you need to improve

[glad junco]

You deserve sympathy, and I admire your efforts. I hope you continue playing TCG and continue to have fun with it. I agree that the tournaments should feel more inclusive and less stressful. When I played my first tournament, I felt a lot of stress, and I was alone, because I had no friends who were interested to talk about it to. I'm a causal player, and I wanted to give it a try for fun.

[gleaming parcel]

More or less, yes

[slow mason]

I find the fact that you're still willing to play and dont want to give up admirable and dont think most of what you said is incorrect thats why I only spoke earlier on what I disagreed with

[gleaming parcel]

But that’s I was getting frustrated when it seemed like everyone was telling me to just give up and quit

[jolly osprey]

🤗

[slow mason]

I blame nyahida and py for that

[crystal tapir]

i didnt tell anyone to quit, i just said that is what i do in the given scenario

[slow mason]

I can understand the point of view of nyahida but I disagree with it

[gleaming parcel]

You did though. I asked what should I do and you said “I’d quit”

[crystal tapir]

its my opinion about myself.

[slow mason]

it's still a demoralizing thing to hear

[crystal tapir]

its not right or wrong

its just what id do

if i truly exhausted every method

[eternal musk]

in this game you at least don't need years to achieve a minimum result

[crystal tapir]

but op probably hasnt

[gleaming parcel]

Nya kinda said that it was.

[eternal musk]

he was lying

trust me

[jolly osprey]

tcg hasn't been out for a year

[gleaming parcel]

Tell me you didn’t read what I said without telling me you didn’t read what I said

[jolly osprey]

therefore it couldnt possibly need years to achieve that result

you can do it!

[gleaming parcel]

I’ve been playing tcg since it was released…

[crystal tapir]

sigh if it makes you feel better that i leave the convo ill do that

you dont seem to be taking points from anyone instead just arguing that youre right and twisting everyone words that isnt agreeing with you

[slow mason]

the way I see it, you havent exhausted every option yet, which is why you are still (planning on) playing and havent given up, there still improvement to be made and it's great that you're willing to keep trying

[slow mason]

from what I remember this is your first competitive tournament though right

[gleaming parcel]

yes, because I didn’t even know this tournament existed until last season

I would have competed sooner if I had known it existed

[slow mason]

I would say tournaments are just really good for improving your skill, for example nyahida hasnt played from release but he has played plenty of tournaments. it's kinda hard to know how good or bad you are at the game unless you can play against better players than you

[gleaming parcel]

again, I didn’t expect to win every match, but I certainly didn’t expect to lose every match either.

[eternal musk]

people have their own rhythm

[night token]

Poeple are just meant to be different

[cursive gazelle]

play time isnt the only aspect to improvement. grind smart not hard
for ex. you mentioned that you received help from ppl here in deck building, which led to improvement. this definitely took less time and produced more improvements than grinding mindlessly for months

[gleaming parcel]

Yes that is true

[slow mason]

losing is demoralizing but it'll feel great when you can see your improvement

[night token]

At the same time, you'll need to develop a mental resilience

[gleaming parcel]

but what if I don’t see any improvement? What if everyone here was right about me and I do actually just suck

[slow mason]

you can suck but that doesnt mean you cant improve

I disagree with the idea of being unable to improve

[eternal musk]

It's not TCG related, but when i was learning fighting games with my friends i might have lost for months before even being able to win a single round

[gleaming parcel]

I’ve been cut from teams before, lost games, I understand losing and not being good enough sometimes, it happens

But NEVER being good enough is something that I just can’t handle

[eternal musk]

[gleaming parcel]

But sometimes you improve and improve but still suck
You can do everything right and still not be good enough

[cursive gazelle]

thats just a fact of life for every person

[night token]

You do realize that life is never meant to be fair

Reality is often harsh

[cursive gazelle]

everyone has something that they are just not gonna ever be "good enough" for, especially since the standard for "good enough" varies

[gleaming parcel]

yeah but that doesn’t mean I have to like it

[night token]

But that doesn't stop you trying to live your life

[slow mason]

improvement is slow but that doesnt make it not be worth while

[gleaming parcel]

But people here were telling me I should

[slow mason]

ignore those

[night token]

Don't force yourself

[gleaming parcel]

I wanted to have fun, win a few prizes, just a few, but I couldn’t even do that

[night token]

Some people are apt learners, others struggle and need time

[gleaming parcel]

I couldn’t do the minimum, and their response was “you didn’t try hard enough, quit”

[night token]

Fixating win w/ happiness isn't healthy

[eternal musk]

just have fun
defeats are tough, but they polish your mind

[gleaming parcel]

I wouldn’t say they polish my mind

19 losses in a row is just straight up demoralizing

[eternal musk]

this is still very little

[gleaming parcel]

Losing every single match you played?

[eternal musk]

yes

[gleaming parcel]

That’s like a 100% lose rate

Which isn’t very fun

[night token]

I'm sure every single one of us has lost a lot of times and the Genshin memories even kept count of how many wins and losses we have

[gleaming parcel]

But have you lost

Every

Single

Match

In a competition

[eternal musk]

When i played with my friends it wasn't uncommon to lose more than 70 games in a row in one afternoon

[gleaming parcel]

That wasn’t my question tho

[glad junco]

that's reassuring, thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one

[gleaming parcel]

I’ve lost every game of Mario kart when I play my friends but that’s different

[eternal musk]

i just kept playing because it was fun to play with them anyway

[slow mason]

Losses happen and I agree they are demoralizing but you can improve from them regardless (though I would suggest taking a break if you're in a losing streak) just aim to do better next time

[night token]

We're all like Joey Wheeler

[cursive gazelle]

how is it different? /gen

[night token]

Not all of us are like Yugi Muto

[gleaming parcel]

But if I want the prize, and I can only play a single day, I don’t have a choice but to keep playing in hopes I win

[cursive gazelle]

the losing in a competition vs losing to friends part

[gleaming parcel]

Because when you’re playing with friends, even if you’re losing, it’s still really easy to have fun

I know that sounds really cheesy but it’s true

[cursive gazelle]

if only i had friends that play tcg i would understand

[eternal musk]

Don't worry, if you can handle defeat well, nothing can shake you when you eventually become stronger.

[gleaming parcel]

I don’t mind losing to my friends every time I play Mario kart cause I still have fun

[eternal musk]

[glad junco]

if you want, we can friend each other. I'm looking for friends too! I play on NA.

[gleaming parcel]

I don’t exactly play friends with tcg either though, I don’t really have many genshin friends, let alone friends that play tcg

[cursive gazelle]

you are so sweet waaaaa

[slow mason]

just play if you feel like you still feel mentally capable of it

[night token]

I bully NPCs to help me understand the decks

[glad junco]

Thank you for your support! You're right. When I played my first tournament, I had a losing streak, then I kept track of my mistakes, by writing them down, and learnt from them! Then I was able to win! I played in season 3, and often asked my opponents if I was given the opportunity for further feedback.

[gleaming parcel]

but like I said I don’t have a choice if I want the reward… or any reward…
People would just say suck it up anyways
That I’m being a baby for being upset about losing

[slow mason]

it's fine to get demoralized by losing

that's perfectly normal

[glad junco]

You're not being a baby for being upset about losing. Your feelings are natural. You can always ask for help too

[glad junco]

Which NPCs do you duel against?

[eternal musk]

this is already excellent

[gleaming parcel]

I feel like I’m being told it’s bad for being upset about losing though. That “it’s a part of the game” and “don’t participate here if you can’t handle potentially losing every single match you play.”

I have asked for help too I just

[slow mason]

I dont know how much time you had to play but I would put your mental state over the rewards, if you're already mentally exhausted you wont be able to improve much or play well in the next games

[glad junco]

I also took a break during my 2nd losing streak. When I got back in, I was in a better mindset, and had more fun playing. But as time went on, my losing streak shortened. Also, before the tournament, I had a 100% win rate on random coop matches, although I only played it 5 times.

[gleaming parcel]

Idk. I’m just really upset now and some people here have really hurt me ... some I know we’re trying to intentionally hurt me

All I know is I don’t want to suck and I actually want to be good enough
I want to be able to actually not suck and win a few games
Not every game but enough to not suck

Idk
I don’t know what I’m doing with myself right now

I just feel pathetic

I feel like I overreacted

I’m sorry

I’m sorry for being negative

I’m sorry for being so pathetic

Im sorry for being so emotional

Im sorry I can’t handle losing

Im sorry for bringing my emotions into this space

Im sorry for bothering people

[glad junco]

you're not overreacting, your feelings are valid. I hope you can rest and come back to TCG when you feel ready

[gleaming parcel]

Im sorry for even competing and being her e

Im sorry

[gleaming parcel]

I think you’re the only one who said that

I don’t think anyone else cares about losers like me

[glad junco]

I'm not the only one who said that

[gleaming parcel]

I’m sorry

[night token]

@glad junco mainly Timmie, but also whoever I invite so they can see how beautiful Neuvillette is

[gleaming parcel]

No one wants a pity party

Everyone else is ignoring me anyways

I’ll leave

[glad junco]

please invite me and indulge me. My interest has been piqued.

[gleaming parcel]

I shouldn’t have said anything in the first place

Everyone just hates me now cause I opened my big mouth

idk why I even came here

[glad junco]

people aren't ignoring you, they were responding to you and me, and trying to support you. I think you should take a break and come back when you feel ready. There are a lot of supportive people here, don't feel afraid to come back

[gleaming parcel]

There are also a lot of unsupportive people here too

[glad junco]

do you think you would consider the idea of finding other communities, if this one doesn't feel like it suits you?

[gleaming parcel]

Hahahahahaha that’s the story of my life

I don’t fit in anywhere

Not really

[glad junco]

I'm sure there's somewhere you can fit

[gleaming parcel]

I get along, I’m tolerated, but I don’t really fit anywhere

I don’t really have friends

[slow mason]

[glad junco]

you can always make friends, I'm open to be your friend!

[gleaming parcel]

I consider people friends but they don’t exactly consider me friends

[slow mason]

I dont have friends in real life

and havent in a decade

[night token]

https://tenor.com/view/neuvillette-neuvi-genshin-genshin-neuvi-genshin-neuvillette-gif-10875342856630032024

@glad junco

[glad junco]

Thank you, I'm satiated.

[night token]

I've been bombarded by players trying to get into my world w/ Neuvy's handsome face

I don't hate it

[gleaming parcel]

Every friend I’ve had has left me. Turned out they never really liked me. Betrayed me, hurt me, was only just being nice.

[night token]

[glad junco]

you will find somewhere where you can fit in, and you will find people who consider you friends. You're not alone, and I'm sure there's others like you

[glad junco]

Give me your UID, and I'll join them! However, I don't have an Asia account.

[gleaming parcel]

Im 25. If I haven’t found a place to fit by now I never will.

[slow mason]

[night token]

@glad junco I'm actually in NA

[gleaming parcel]

I certainly won’t make friends here with the way I’ve behaved either

[slow mason]

meh

you wont be frineds with everyone

but you can still be friends with some

[glad junco]

You're still able to find a place to fit by, maybe you haven't been looking in the right places. Consider trying disboard to find other servers and communities, there's a search function to find communities relating to a topic. Try genshin TCG!

[glad junco]

I'm on my NA account right now, are you up to a game of TCG?

[night token]

@glad junco Maybe next time

[slow mason]

anyway I should really get to cooking and sleeping

[glad junco]

Ping me whenever you want to play! My dms are also open.

[slow mason]

@gleaming parcel I wish you the best

[gleaming parcel]

I don’t think so

[slow mason]

[glad junco]

Take care, thank you for your support, and I wish you the best.

[glad junco]

We can be friends.

[night token]

@glad junco Thanks for the offer tho! I'll consider it when I have time and feel like it in the future

[glad junco]

Take your time!

Thanks for considering!

[violet dome]

I love TCG

[jolly osprey]

Try chat gpt for free therapy sessions. It always listens and remains positive, and you don't have to worry about vibe

[slow mason]

as someone with no real life friends I can't say I know how to be a good friend but I can offer you my friendship

final note, people are generally kind in the GITCG server #🤝partnered-servers message

[glad junco]

I'd like to be your friend and talk to you more; you seem like a very supportive person. I understand you probably must go, but do take care!

[gleaming parcel]

Im in over 60 discord servers.

[slow mason]

I'm just a diona main, add me/dm if you'd like

[gleaming parcel]

It won’t help

[strange peak]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

[thick widget]

Jesus relax nobody called you trash we just want rewards for middle tier

[tropic slate]

I maintain that the primogem reward should be participation not success

flat 10 primos per game, ends up with a little more than 2 wishes for doing all of them

the matchmaking is actually very good at this point at matching by skill level, at least for the top half of the ladder, so I don't think it needs to be updated

but the main rewards should really just be made more accessible to people who at least try

[thick charm]

Primos just for participation would be cool but it could lead to people not really trying, or worse, throwing just to get it over with. On the other hand it's gonna attract more players because easy rewards are always cool and will motivate people to sticking it out to the end rather than just playing enough to win three games and disappearing.

but sure, maybe tack them on the already existing rewards so you could earn even more primos. Not to whine because I have fun playing TCG but 5 games a day for a week unironically becomes "work, tcg, sleep, repeat" for me lol. So stressing a bit to win a single pull at the end is

(disclaimer: skill issue, git gud, etc. Now I'm just being greedy since my initial goal was just the card back)

[smoky solar]

I agree. I joined the tournament for the card back. I played three games, won them, and disappeared. If we got primogems for participation, I probably would have played a few more but I wouldn’t have really tried.

I don’t think more primogems for winning on top of participation primogems would have convinced me to try really hard

But I do think players should be rewarded for playing more than the minimum number of games

[gleaming parcel]

It is not very good for the lower half though. Are you supposed to lose 20 matches and never win one because you keep being matched to people you cant beat?

[tropic slate]

yes, and throwing immediately is already a bannable/strikable offense anyway

[tropic slate]

that's the thing, I feel like most people who are in this situation get demoralized and just leave, and you're unique because you have the mental fortitude to stick with it. If there were more participation rewards then there would be more people with 0 or 1 wins playing beyond the first couple of days, which would provide a more even match into the later days of the competition, thus making it easier for more people to hit that 3 wins threshold

[muted cairn]

The mm really showed on the leaderboard results compared to prev seasons, and pals have said that the difficulty is more sort of balanced now, there seem to be less 'get lucky queueing into only newbies' sort of score esp up there and some ppl do say after a lot of matches they got a win or two in the end. please don't be disheartened. Competition in CTG is real tough. Even for the top of the top, trying to get to leaderboard could really be a game of dice roll and praying you don't get bad matchup in your game

And of course getting caught up in between sweaty players could be a huge bummer esp for casual.

[tropic slate]

as someone who has made leaderboard for the past three seasons, the matchmaking has wildly improved - this season was much harder than previous seasons, I don't think I had a single easy match, or one against someone who wasn't within 5 wins of my own score

there were a couple of times where I could look at the leaderboard and accurately predict who I was going to get matched with, given who was currently queueing

[muted cairn]

For me, playing 35 games a week is not sth I really press myself to do, but mm got me very strong opponents, and that is good for me cuz this season I only played like about 10 games as practice

[tropic slate]

and getting matched with the same player back-to-back because they were the only other one queueing who was close enough

[muted cairn]

And having good practice is good, I only matched against newer players 3 times or so

[tropic slate]

which happened 4 times on 4 days

wait no 5 times in 4 days

[muted cairn]

Yeah that also means Birdy will less likely bully poor casual

At least the seeding in KO also shows good streamed games in the end

Also with TCG being pvp game by nature, I think learning from losing agaisnt good player is really really good learning

My first week into joining gitcg server, I think I played 50+ games without winning any single one

but eh I played against top players and I did very slowly learned quite a bit of the basics from those lost games.

Perhaps finding a friendly top player to help you review games is gonna be helpful if you wanna prep for next season

[pearl fern]

As much as I sympathize with that situation, ultimately CTG is a competitive tournament, so yes it is very much thing to lose 20 matches in a row if that is how you skill level matches up against your opponents.

Tying to paint this as a problem that needs fixing rather than just inherently how competition works doesn't sit right with me.

[eternal musk]

In fact, last season's mm was much better.
I don't care much about the rewards though. What really bothers me is that 35 matches during the week is really not very permissive for those who work and/or study.
If your time zone doesn't allow it, you won't have time to play in either window.

I finished last season without losing a single game, but it's completely pointless if i can barely play half of the 35 during the week

[pearl fern]

The time investment required to qualify for KOs is not great for sure

[slow mason]

How does "I didn't lose a single game" make mm better

Isn't it better for games to be against people of similar skill and not just bullying people who don't play much

[eternal musk]

do not confuse things

none of these things are related

reread what I wrote

[slow mason]

I reread it, I don't get it. My only question is why do you think the previous match making was better

[eternal musk]

because i'm referring to S5?

Isn't it obvious that the old system was worse?

[slow mason]

Oh, I'm sorry last season made it sound like you were referring to s4 or earlier

[eternal musk]

Here i am agreeing with what had already been said before.
mm from S5 had an upgrade compared to past seasons, if it wasn't clear.

[slow mason]

Maybe I don't know how to read

[gleaming parcel]

It’s not even just trying to be in the top, if just like to be able to win at least something. Losing every single match isn’t fun.

I’m not asking for easy wins, but playing people closer to my skill level and who are newer to competitions would be nice.

The issue isn’t “I can’t win” the issue is “I don’t feel like I’m playing people similar to my skill level so I feel like I’m being used for fodder and being bullied by the system.”

I’m not naive enough to assume I’ll win every game, and I don’t like that people are assuming that’s what I’m asking for.
I’m not asking for freebies, either, I know I have to work for rewards. I’m not stupid x

But this “competition” is comming off as being very elitist and exclusive and not friendly to the newer or more casual players. Which I was also peeved by last night. Getting 3 wins might be really easy for most people here. Maybe other people in my situation really do just quit and that’s why no one else talks about this. But I don’t like quitting or giving up. I made efforts to get better, but It only did so much.
I also wasn’t able to play all of my matches because of time constraints and having work during the periods where we could versus. Maybe I would have won more if I had been able to play more, but not everyone can drop everything to play tcg and we have lives outside of genshin. Losing so many times in a row feels extra shitty when it’s all I’m a single day. I was only able to participate on a single day, so it was just 5 hours straight of losing. If I could make a change it would be allowing more hours to participate.

But I’m just saying that it didn’t feel like I was being matched with people around my skill.
But I don’t know how the system could have figured out my skill anyway.
If there was a way to tweak it based on your win-lose ratio, that would be ideal. Matching you based on the number of wins and losses.

I also don’t want this to start an argument again like it was last night. But I feel like my statements are not often understood here because this community lacks empathy.

But please don’t assume that I’m stupid, naive, didn’t /unwilling to put in effort for rewards.

I won’t stand for bullying or people making me feel less than.

[pearl fern]

So first I don't agree with the sentiment either that 3 wins is really easy - the competition level here has increased since the tournaments first started and the average player is better. Getting 3 wins can actually be quite a challenge - but at the same time I think that challenge is fine. Losing a lot of matches in a row isn't fun no matter how good you are - it's not supposed to be.

I can't speak to how accurate the matchmaking vs skill level is in practice vs as advertised, but I do raise an eyebrow at statements like "I feel like I'm not playing people similar to my skill level" - this kind of mentality seems all too common with players who think they are better at the game than they actually are.

Matching you based on the number of wins and losses.
It doesn't do exact record, but matchmaking is supposedly meant to account for winrate. It might even track that across multiple tournaments

[gleaming parcel]

The statement as I was using it though is in referral to playing others equally inexperienced as I am. If I’m gonna suck I’d like to play with someone who also sucks.
not that I need to play harder competitors… I don’t want to be playing the top 16 from last season. That’s why I said having the bot do something like matching your win-lose ratio or even accumulated points

So the more games you play the more likely you are to get matched with someone around your skill level.
If someone with 1 win and 15 losses played someone with 15 wins and 1 loss, it’s likely their skill levels aren’t equal.

[pearl fern]

This was traditionally a problem but it should have been implemented already starting from S4 and 5. If you don't think it's working then that's something to take up with the TOs, as your exact suggestion is pretty much already there

[gleaming parcel]

Yeah just based on my experience and the way I’ve explained it to other server members, it shouldn’t have happened

[pearl fern]

Although personally I don't think you need to track across multiple tournaments - each one technically is it's self contained thing, so I think it's fine to match up against previous top players in a new season when their records in that season are still low

[gleaming parcel]

Unless I really am just that bad of a player.

[pearl fern]

This is kind of the point I have issue with - raising a concern based on personal experience vs raising it based on evidence (for example if you tracked your games and had a lot of opponents you matched who had very high records) is different

[pearl fern]

There's other explanations like going on tilt from losing 5 games in a row and continuing to make bad decisions. I'm not here to make judgements on skill level

it's not just like, one or the other

[gleaming parcel]

Yeah, I just don’t know for sure if it’s a matching issue or skill issue or both, because I’m not able to go and look at the people I played and where they ranked

Also I gtg to work, I’ll message more later

[slow mason]

I think it's mostly that people who do really poorly usually don't stick around so the bot doesn't have many people of similar skill to match you with

Good luck at work

[pearl fern]

when you queue up can matter too yeah, if it's later in the week

[slow heart]

The time you queue also matter when the bot is matching you with other people

The morning queue is fill with cn and as people because it is night for them and you get more na people in the evening queue

[cursive gazelle]

If you have doubts about match making consistently pairing you up with players outside of your skill level, that's something you should be bringing up with the staff. They can probably check the match history for you

[eternal musk]

well, there is actually a curveball on how this mm works in the early days.

think about it, how the system can differentiate a top player from a casual player if both have played just one match and won. Furthermore, mm is just an approximation of skill level, but it does not consider the days and times that players play. 20 games is not even enough to accurately determine player skill in more robust ranking systems like elo.

there are other factors as most casual players seem to look for their 3 wins in the first few days so if you wait for the weekend you can expect to find stronger players on average playing.

I often see people complaining here about how mm works, but there is a lot of science behind how these things work in practice.
a perfect rating system doesn't exist in so few games and naturally we can't simply retain information from past seasons because people can simply abuse the system to their advantage

[thick charm]

fwiw I got around 45% winrate both previous seasons so ig that's proving the matchmaking works

I'm perfectly mediocre and below average player

[prime scroll]

also it should be taken into account that there are not as many people participating here as it may seem like, so I presume sometimes the system just pairs you with whoever is queueing at the time
coz skill level of my games varied a lot, and didn't really have a consistent structure

[thick charm]

16 victories left me at 56th so the bell curve I estimate around 80 or so players

[eternal musk]

this reminds me that i found another problem
Some days i spent more time waiting for matches than actually playing and that's terrible because my time window is tiny

[thick charm]

no actually that's kinda naive estimate since if you aren't placing super high then you're probably in a gigantic tie

[cursive gazelle]

agreed on how the mm system cannot be perfect here with the various factors at play. but since the actual logic of how the pairing works is never revealed, i'd like to avoid making speculations and just send whomever is doubting the system to the staff

actual random mm in game has an elo system, but even that is not always consistently matching you with ppl "at your skill leve"

[cursive gazelle]

and when the bot breaks

[gleaming parcel]

Off work until 5:40…

I’m just saying it’s not easy to understand and it doesn’t make sense to me how the matching was done.
I didn’t know it was skill based, I thought it was random until I was told it was skill based.

As I explained before, because of my shift schedule, I was only able to match on a single day. I can only compete on Thursdays.

I also didn’t get a notification about then the event started (and I also didn’t know when it started) so I missed that first Thursday. I was only able to compete in a single day.

If the solution is just “play on a different day.” That isn’t possible for some people

And a lot of the questions I have about matching and play times and start times are not in FAQ

The whole thing just didn’t feel friendly to new or inexperienced players

And I don’t like that the response about the matching issue is “well everyone who sucks as bad as you do quit”

[slow heart]

If you still have question about matching and play times you can ask them here

other player or mod might know the answer

[gleaming parcel]

Can I? Because I don’t exactly feel well reciprocated here any more

[slow heart]

A lot of people ask question here about the match making

It is good to have things clarify by the mod so you don't accidentally do something bad

[gleaming parcel]

idk. I’ve also had questions about like having to cancel a match for a reason other than what is listed
I’ve had to cancel a match because I underestimated the amount of time I actually had to play the match.

It wasn’t anything me or the other person did, there just wasn’t time for me to play the match after waiting for the queue to match me

I just don’t always feel comfortable asking questions when im worried about my question being dumb or getting a passive aggressive response or being put down for asking it

[slow heart]

Canceling a match result in a strike at the end of the tournament I think

Because I also canceled a match and I receive I strike for it

[gleaming parcel]

Or getting harassed for stating an opinion on something or clarifying something
I don’t want to be harassed any more

[gleaming parcel]

Yeah, idk. It asks you to state a reason but what if the reason is different than all the ones you offered
Cause sometimes it isn’t a super serious reason

Or what if you’re matching and suddenly your kitchen sets in fire and you have to deal with it

“Sorry I had an irl emergency”

[cursive gazelle]

you can reach out to mods in #📨contact-qixing

[slow heart]

I remember there is a spot where you can write down the reason iirc

[cursive gazelle]

they are better suited to answer your questions

*questions about the mm system

[cursive gazelle]

but for future references, if you got matched and realize you dont have time to play out the full game anymore, you can just not accept the match, and that won't give you a strike

[gleaming parcel]

Queuing is also not friendly to mobile genshin players because discord does not ping you when you’re matched. The server is too large to send any notifications of any kind.
But it takes a minute to load in to genshin, and when you’re in genshin, while you can have genshin in another tab and discord in the other, you can’t have them in the screen at the same time. And if you’re out of genshin for too long it will disconnect you as log you out.
So if you’re running back and forth trying to keep both open so you can easily start the match when you’re matched, but if you’re in genshin for too long you can miss the queue

[gleaming parcel]

I think it scolds you if the match times out though

[cursive gazelle]

it does not

i've done it before - not accepting a match as i realized i wouldnt have time to play

[gleaming parcel]

I’m pretty sure I’ve been scolded for a match time out

[cursive gazelle]

how?

and scolded by who?

[gleaming parcel]

the bot

Like I wasn’t allowed to queue again for 10 min

[slow heart]

The thing I do when I play on mobile is stay on discord->
Wait for my match
When I do get a match, tell the opponent nicely that I am on mobile and have them wait a moment and join my world
Then load up my genshin and wait for my opponent to join

[gleaming parcel]

yeah I don’t think most players are that patient

[slow heart]

Canceling a match will result in a 20 min time out

[slow heart]

they are

[gleaming parcel]

Ehhhhhhh

[cursive gazelle]

mobile discord does ping me though, you might need to adjust your notification settings

[slow heart]

At least all the player I met while playing on my phone was willing to wait a couple min for me to get everything ready

[gleaming parcel]

My notifs are on, but I will not get a ping for matching

I never got a single ping

[cursive gazelle]

what makes you think that?

[gleaming parcel]

I get notifs for discord but I’ve never gotten a notif for this server unless it’s a direct reply to me, even though all my notifs are on for this server

[gleaming parcel]

If a server is too large it won’t send notifs

[rich wasp]

srsly what are these times

[slow heart]

You might want to check if you have this server muted or the preminiary leader queue muted

[rich wasp]

if i was working a 9-5 this would be ass

[muted cairn]

Most decent player won't be an arse and will wait a min or two for the login. It ain't that bad

[gleaming parcel]

THATS WHAT IM SAYING, i physically cannot play those times unless I take time off work

[cursive gazelle]

work preventing me to becoming a pro-gamer

[muted cairn]

You will be surprised what real arse actually say in thread

Or in game

[gleaming parcel]

It’s literally never changes

[cursive gazelle]

thats not the right place to look though

[slow heart]

Hmmm

[cursive gazelle]

is your #preliminary-queue channle muted?

[gleaming parcel]

My discord settings also let me recieve notifs

I keep telling you, it’s server size

[twilit steppe]

As for me sometimes I would use double window

[rich wasp]

i think doing 2 4 hour queues is a bit pointless now

[slow heart]

When I am on genshin on my phone, I don't think I receive notification if I wasn't ping, but if someone @ me it will still pop up while I am playing genshin

[cursive gazelle]

its not because other people here have expressed that they can receive notifications fine on mobile from this server

[rich wasp]

there are actually plenty of players

dont need to squeeze everything into 8 hours

you can do like, 2 6 hour queues

maybe

[gleaming parcel]

But discord literally says it won’t

That’s the text on the app

In the system

It’s right there

[cursive gazelle]

where? do you have a screenshot?

[gleaming parcel]

@cursive gazelle

[gleaming parcel]

Idk, someone somewhere said it’s too expensive for them to change times

[cursive gazelle]

well nobody can queue right now to test, but im pretty sure the match found msg from the queue channle is a direct mention iirc

[rich wasp]

expensive

why expensive

[gleaming parcel]

I didn’t get a single notice whenever I queued. I’m not lying about it

But fine, I’m dumb or wrong or have a lame phone whatever

[crystal tapir]

Just chill tab into discord every minute or so

Issok we all miss queues

[cursive gazelle]

nobody is saying you are lying, its probably just a notification setting somewhere. or could be the phone itself ya

[slow heart]

#1072075083025223770 message

Stay on discord and wait for your game

[rich wasp]

remember alpha season queue times

my god

[gleaming parcel]

but it isn’t, discord LITERALLY SAYS

[rich wasp]

you had what 10 seconds to accept queue? or 15

holy shit

[slow heart]

can't even read while wait for queue

[crystal tapir]

It was that short in alpha?

Bruh

[gleaming parcel]

And then it will take me 5 min to long in to genshin and get to a place where I can match

[cursive gazelle]

it says if its not a direction @ mention, you wont get the push notification. you will get the notification if it is a direction mention

[slow heart]

and that is fine since you have over 1 hr for a match

[gleaming parcel]

but I don’t think it is a direct mention

[rich wasp]

so

[cursive gazelle]

ya thats too bad, nobody can confirm until next season starts

[rich wasp]

what if they built tavern into the game

[slow heart]

Unless you are playing my type of deck 1 hr is more than enough for 1 match

[gleaming parcel]

Yeah but if I can only play on a single day, I need to get in as many matches as I can in those 5 hours

[rich wasp]

idk

[gleaming parcel]

If I took an hour for every match, that’s only 5 matches for the entire season

[crystal tapir]

@gleaming parcel try changing server notif

[rich wasp]

did you read the entire conversation

idk

i think they did already

[crystal tapir]

Nope

[twilit steppe]

THAT WAS SO.....

[crystal tapir]

Too long didnt read xD

[rich wasp]

honestly if they built tavern into the tavern in game

would be so good for the game

[slow heart]

The thing will trying to rush as many game as possible in a short period of time is you end up making a lot more mistake. It is better to take your time and think through your play instead

[cursive gazelle]

the best mhy can do is aoc

[twilit steppe]

I remember when I wait so long I just end up doing friendly matches with LuckyKero.. who also doesn't get matches

[crystal tapir]

Advertise in game too :)

[slow heart]

And SI can testify for this

[rich wasp]

my asia qual :(

[gleaming parcel]

But the more games I play, the higher chance I have of winning and actually getting some kind of reward

[cursive gazelle]

uh i dont think thats how probability works

[rich wasp]

unlike alpha seasons

[gleaming parcel]

If I want points I have to play games

If I can’t play games I don’t get points

[rich wasp]

there are actually enough players to support > 8 hour queues

[cursive gazelle]

how do you know how many players there are

[rich wasp]

at a certain point, you can decrease queue time by increasing the queue window time too

[crystal tapir]

If you cant finish 35 games its better to play as many games as you can regardless if you win

[rich wasp]

i just mean that

doing 2 4 hour sessions is really stupid at this point no

[slow heart]

This is basically saying join a bunch of games and smash a bunch of button and I will somehow win one, instead it will be better to play each game slowly and think

[gleaming parcel]

Idk, people were saying that even with a 10% win rate you should get the card back, but that brings the conversation back to me not even able to do that

[crystal tapir]

That just means you have room to improve

:)

[gleaming parcel]

I’m not playing aimlessly but I am still trying to play quickly
Those are two different things

[slow heart]

To get the card back you need to win not to play more games

[gleaming parcel]

Do not talk to me. Not after last night.

[gleaming parcel]

but if I lose every game …?

[crystal tapir]

Bruh this is a public chat

[rich wasp]

[slow heart]

5 hr for 5 game that have greater chance of winning is better than 5 hr for 20 games that is always losing

[gleaming parcel]

Isn’t the logic “I need to play more” because it’s not reasonable to expect to lose every single game…?

Unless I’m in the exception to that

[thick charm]

you can practice off-season too y'kno

[gleaming parcel]

You think I don’t?

[thick charm]

grab anyone here or in the gitcg server to get your practice in and then just take it slowly when the next season comes

[rich wasp]

whats the poitn of this conversation again

[gleaming parcel]

You think I haven’t done that?

[crystal tapir]

There is no point

They want a therapy session, it went on for 2 hours yesterday

[thick charm]

well I saw you do it like once or twice at best idk I don't check the gitcg server much since I just joined

[slow heart]

Coryn question

Did you read through that guide I ping here a long time ago

Like read through it carefully and think through it

[gleaming parcel]

I literally said earlier I don’t want to start another argument because it just gets into everyone telling me how shitty I am and just people attacking me and then I get defensive and make more people mad
It’s a cycle I don’t want to be in

[gleaming parcel]

Which guide
If you tagged me probably but I don’t know For sure

Cause I had a few people give me recommendations and decks

[crystal tapir]

No one is attacking you
Skill comes from practice
If youre busy no one will blame you
If you cant win its no big deal
Just have fun with the game in your own way bro

[slow heart]

#1072075083025223770 message

here

[crystal tapir]

Sorry for being a realist and giving real advice instead of side with you

[gleaming parcel]

Oh I don’t think I got that ping, but I remember you mentioning making a guide like that

[thick charm]

I'm just gonna go I get to clock out soon and am excited to fight the whale with my Noelle while using Noelle

[slow heart]

It is not my guide, but it is a pretty while made one by someone else in the gitcg server

[cursive gazelle]

well just because you feel attacked, doesnt mean ppl are attacking you

[gleaming parcel]

You harassed me and told me to give up and quit if I’m losing every game. I don’t have an interest in your advice.

[crystal tapir]

for the nth time i didnt…

[twilit steppe]

Good luck with that, personally I think that whale is kind of annoying without the help of others

[cursive gazelle]

i dont think coryn will understand this, so this is more of a note to everyone else who's trying to help here

[gleaming parcel]

Why do you assume I won’t understand

[cursive gazelle]

when you always farm weeklies by getting carried in coop so you have no idea what each boss does

[twilit steppe]

That's me with the whale I can do the others by myself though thankfully haha

[gleaming parcel]

And why does the chat always get fixated on me here

[eternal musk]

[gleaming parcel]

and how terrible of a player I am

[crystal tapir]

No one is harassing you, we are giving you advice
If you dont want to take it its your choice

[gleaming parcel]

I try asking for help and advice and stating opinions on things and genuinely asking for help, but all my answers leave me gaslit or harassed or people assuming I’m stupid or naive or am too terrible to play this game

[cursive gazelle]

because you literally said ppl are attacking you and harassing you, when everyone's intention is just trying to help
for ex. yesterday you said something along the lines of "you are the only one who's been nice in the chat", but most ppl who conversed with you were very nice/had neutral tone. its a real slap in the face for ppl who spent their time trying to help you

[cursive gazelle]

i stopped trying to solo since the wanderer boss

[gleaming parcel]

Yestyi asked “what would you do if you lost every game”
And she said “if it were me I’d quit”

[muted cairn]

I think you really misunderstood the chat here and is too fixated on the most negative side from your own perspective. Not everyone here can express their thoughts pristine and perfect

[gleaming parcel]

Py harassed me

[crystal tapir]

If im not genuinely trying to help you
Ill probably just say that you suck and leave so that i dont have a waste an hour on something so pointless

[gleaming parcel]

but I feel like I’m expected to make my thoughts prestige and perfect and no one is listening to me, everyone is just assuming all I want to do is complain and cry

[crystal tapir]

But im not calling you a bad player

Im just saying you can still improve

[thick charm]

dude if you feel gaslit it's, in all honestly, because you already decided how you want to feel, how you think others are treating you, how to react to it, and when people tell you that you're mistaken or that people generally don't agree that they were being offensive or attacking you take it personally

[gleaming parcel]

You said that I didn’t put ANY effort in to trying to improve which is a big fat lie and there is proof here that I have tried to improve

[crystal tapir]

I said you havent “exhausted everything”

Youre the one gaslitting…

[thick charm]

like I feel bad because I know your self esteem is a tripping hazard in hell and is playing limbo with the devil but man it's pretty draining to go at it like this for hours

[gleaming parcel]

There are players here that have helped me, I’ve made changes to my decks, I’ve made new decks, I’ve practiced with other players of varying skill levels

[gleaming parcel]

The only other thing to do is give up work and eating and sleeping and living to become a full time tcg player, we talked about that too

That’s what you said I needed to do in order to be good so

[crystal tapir]

That is not a healthy choice

Also no i didnt

[gleaming parcel]

but it’s the advice you gave me

[thick charm]

could I agree that what nyahida could've been taken the wrong way? Yea, absolutely
But they already clarified time and again that they didn't mean it that way and if you refuse to take that, even if you think nya is just tryna save their ass with an apology or something instead of being genuine, then idk what to say

[crystal tapir]

You know what just stop talking about yesterday and start fresh alright?

[gleaming parcel]

I WANTED TO START FRESH

I LITERALLY SAID I DONT WANNA FIGHT ABIUT THIS

[thick charm]

so anyway the Nilou card is pretty cute

[slow heart]

This is unproductive

Coryn u say u have around 1 hr ish before you have other things right?

[thick charm]

anyone know if Sprawling Greenery works with the Bountiful Cores? Probably not since it's not reaction dmg right

[pearl fern]

I mean to put it bluntly - no matter how much effort you have put in, in a competitve setting of that isn't enough then you need to put in more. I feel like there's a misalignment of expectations here is all

[slow heart]

Come to my world and we can play a few games

[muted cairn]

Bountiful core is dendro dmg

It should work for bloom buffing

[slow heart]

If you are talking about dendro res if it is reacting with a hydro aura or there is a hydro summon it will proc

[cursive gazelle]

i dont think it will give you one more core

[gleaming parcel]

There is. People are saying “just have fun!” But it’s not fun when you’re losing every match.
Genshin is supposed to be for casual players. This was advertised for players of all levels. Yea it’s a competition, but that doesn’t mean beginners shouldn’t play.

But it feels like everything everyone is saying is that this an eliygroup and only the pros should play here.

And that’s not fun.

[muted cairn]

But not one more core

Also, I've got another TCG table in my pot

[gleaming parcel]

5:45 but it’s 2:07 rn

[muted cairn]

[crystal tapir]

• This is a competitive game within genshin
• some people enjoy losing (ex. Me losing to si 10 games in a row) because i can see the difference between us and know i still have a lot of room to improve

[cursive gazelle]

oo i didnt know you could craft that..

[slow heart]

so you have over 2.5 hr of time off right now

[gleaming parcel]

You also said you’d quit if you lost every game, im not taking advice from you
Stop talking to me

[muted cairn]

I'm a teapot main but obviously I don't advertise my pot as much in TCG chat

[crystal tapir]

As i said i didnt

[slow heart]

you can spent it doing nothing here, play some tcg to get practice in, or do things irl

[crystal tapir]

Youre arguing with points that you think i said but i dont even agree with those points

[eternal musk]

in fact, most casual players have no experience with competitive settings

[thick widget]

Because youre making it about you, everybody has been nice to you trying to answer your questions, but you just wont stop saying "youre getting harassed" and being pissed off of a player who unintentionally "insulted" you, chill out a bit and don't see us as monsters

[pearl fern]

Again feels like a misalignment between expectations and reality. I'm not sure if I but into the argument that Genshinis casual friendly so TCG should be too. If anything a lot of players a disappointed in that very fact because it's holding TCG back.

[crystal tapir]

How about you write what you think i said and ill tell you if i actually agree with it

[cursive gazelle]

the room looks real nice i tried to decorate my pot but just got too lazy OTZ but a tcg themed pot is my goal now

[pearl fern]

I get that you have a lot of stake in the convo but I'll be honest you are not doing as good of a job at de escalating as you think you are. If you don't want to engage with the topic that's fine but some of the stuff you are saying is making it actively worse

[muted cairn]

Sad you aren't in EU. I have multiple TCG spots.. sadly we still can't observe or play here yet

[cursive gazelle]

one day, one day...

[crystal tapir]

The thing is that i dont agree with the things that he said i did

[gleaming parcel]

Then what is the reality I guess?
I wanted to compete to have fun, maybe win a few things, get a prize back. just chill. I didn’t expect to win every game but I hoped to get something. I didn’t expect to lose every match. I knew I wasn’t a great tcg player but I didn’t think I was trash horrible doesn’t deserve to be in the room at it.

But if expecting to have fun and win a few matches ; not all matches a FEW
Maybe 5 or 6 out of 20, is unrealistic, then idk what is realistic x

[crystal tapir]

And he wont let me clarify on anything

Or accept anything

[eternal musk]

tcg players who take this seriously are much more dedicated than the majority of Genshin's playerbase.
many even play gitcg exclusively

[gleaming parcel]

Wow it’s almost like you did the same thing to me last night when I tried talking about the efforts I made to improve:D

[rich wasp]

wtf is this convo

[gleaming parcel]

Idk. I’m ignoring you now.

[crystal tapir]

Care to write the points out?

[rich wasp]

[frigid sundial]

[eternal musk]

and honestly even though Nyahida isn't the best with words i think everything he said is true

[gleaming parcel]

I wrote a whole ass essay last night, sorry if you didn’t read it

block

[crystal tapir]

No the points you thought i conveyed

[pearl fern]

The only one calling you trash right now is yourself. You are saying already you didn't expect to lose every game - but that's my point you came in with a certain expectation that wasn't met, but part of that is in you to reevaluate that.

It just means the tourney had a higher conpetitom level that you thought and that's fine.

[rich wasp]

as with any game it can be as competitive as you want it to be

[gleaming parcel]

That’s debatable considering how intense whales, streamers/influencers and abyss players are

[eternal musk]

no one is attacking anyone. Some people are more abrasive and impatient than others and that's normal

[muted cairn]

Some ppl play 105 games a week during ctg only tourney games not including the casual random mm they do

[eternal musk]

most of them are not even parameters for real speedrun

[muted cairn]

[rich wasp]

idk maybe bashing your head into the game and just "practicing" isnt enough at a competitive level

[gleaming parcel]

But that’s not a realistic expectation for everyone to be able to do that

[muted cairn]

You are comparing dedication vs whale

[gleaming parcel]

Wdym

[rich wasp]

i spend more time doing google sheets than playing the actual game

[muted cairn]

My friendly buddy grinded 4 accounts just to play TCG with everyone