#[America Server] Discussions
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If you click the register button again and it shows you your UID + TCG level immediately, it means you have registered I think
thank you so much!
I know it isn't a lot, but why are Primogems a reward for the upcoming season? I thought players were promised that no major rewards would be tied to tcg and it would be a game feature for fun


kate 
Duck 

Technically, the rewards aren't tied in game, and are given out to players that are joining the tavern 
" I thought players were promised that no major rewards would be tied to tcg" Where did they said this if I may ask? Also tbh in my opinion the primogems rewards aren't much lol, I bet even the best players would get about 1.4k only 
announced in the stream when tcg was first talked about coming to the game
Oh alright.. I didn't knew, my bad
the only stream I ever watched is the ver 1.5 one ||only because I think Zhongli sounds handsome
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Well I agree with Katemis tbh, I don't think the maximum reward of 1.4k primos are major and especially an optional card back isn't exactly a major reward either 🤔
If that's the actual rationale then that's disappointing. I'll have to read between the lines and the fine print on everything in Genshin PR moving forward
I'm just guessing 
yeah but it feels like you're more likely right than wrong
idk, I feel like "no rewards for pvp" should mean exactly that
I guess it's somewhat inevitable, since there's a competitive scene. Especially in CN, so there's incentive to atleast grow the pvp scene somewhat.
@tacit spear bcz
Tournament is not a in game event
Ctg is not organised by mihoyo
U have to understand that
why are there primogems then
I don't understand what u are trying to get
I actually don't realize this (skill issue)
who is sponsoring all the primogems then
it isnt like mihoyo hasnt given out primogems for community events in the past
yeah sure, but they probably never said they wouldnt give out primogems for whatever events those were
They probably meant for coop mode

predicting whether a reaction happens does not invalidate the reaction
genuinely i dont have a justification for why there are primogem rewards here
but as someone who plays the tcg religiously im not gonna complain
yeah, I'm speaking as someone who doesn't
Although I don't agree with primogems as a reward myself but
I'm sorry to say this your argument is flawed

how is my taking the words right out of a dev stream a flawed argument?
you just said "probably meant for coop mode" as a response
File a case against mihoyo

why should I guess what they mean to say instead of take words at face value
if its something about like, i dont know, min maxing primogems, its similar to those community events anyways
stuff that requires you to do stuff out of the game, like posting a guide or doing art
if its something about mihoyo lying
if its just about 1 line mihoyo had in a trailer i dont see the reason to care that much about it
I mean the guy saying it is saying it in Chinese next to Dawei so I kinda care
especially when they emphasized all those points back then to ensure players that they wouldn't be missing out on anything if they elected not to participate in tcg at all
well
i dont think thats quite the point they made
you definitely miss out on a lot of stuff by not doing tcg already with just the in game rewards
none of those are tied to pvp, and the primo ones are completely PVE
card backs are obtainable through exchanging materials not related to tcg
Are u sure

Wait till 4.1
Ayawah

nomads making a case here bc people who play in these tournaments get exclusive card backs but thats a reward in the tcg from the tcg
yeah, a good many of them are - there's a handful that you get through player level
id say most people would find less issue with that
but all that gets done in pve
yeah his case is stretching
there's a difference between getting a little "tcg club member's badge"-like reward and then getting rewards that are usable in the core game
you mean the side game right
I won't even argue
Bcz for me the main issue isn't an issue
no, the main game
so the side game
like I get the joke, but no really
also probably don't ping people when they arent involved?
well
the reason why there was primo rewards was bc the organizers of the tournament asked in a survey whether or not participants thought primogem rewards for participating was a good idea
yeah but unless he's a mihoyo rep I dont see why you are looking for them for answers
Well he can talk to higher ups
I'm sure, but then they'd have to get the OK from mihoyo after
So yeah
so what would be the difference between, say
someone winning $1000 through gitcg pvp
and someone winning 1600 primos through gitcg pvp
what about the latter is so much worse
if 1600 primogems was the prize for first place
0 people would find it problematic, despite the fact that it technically does go against what was said
any prize amount really
because the condition for getting it is so extreme
or how about how there have been 600 people who have won a welkin by playing 10 games in this tournament then
or maybe 450 idk some large number
that it's no longer merely a "reward just for being in pvp"
this was a raffle ticket no?
it was a raffle, but it required you to win at least 5 games and play at least 10 iirc?
I am one of these people 
obviously all of those things are against what was said/promised
so why is that okay but not an avg of 160 primos per participant who plays 35 games out
but there are some things you can let go, you can give an inch
or less okay, i guess
but here we're clearly seeing that things are going for the mile here
and this is where I'd say we maybe need to take a step back and reevaluate
because all those things you listed, any one of them individually, sure whatever
but now they're all adding up
especially since we're going into season 4
who is to say seasons 5, 6, 7 and so on aren't going to have even more rewards?
im not sure if its adding up
it's the whole "fool me once, fool me twice, etc"
im pretty sure the reason someone would be mad would be just the most recent addition
it's the recent addition, on top of everything else
straw that breaks the camel's back, yknow?
im pretty sure people would get mad
I wouldn't be alarmed until I see S2 have more rewards on top of that
they would be in their rights to
I just told my personal tolerance
im pretty sure ur lying to yourself
what?
did you really care about any of the stuff i mentioned
before i mentioned it
i dunno it never got brought up
just the primogem part
yes, but I just explained my thinking
when I participated in s3 I thought the card back was going to be the end of it
and it would be a new card back maybe every few seasons or so, no big deal
this is incredibly rude to say btw
in my mind, as a tcg player
they replaced the welkin raffle with this primogem thing
really, they are giving less primos than in previous seasons already
but i think with primogem rewards that scale up instead of stopping after you play 10 games, it should incentivize people to not just
stop playing in the middle of the tourney
the rewards arent really scaling up this season
yeah... being able to stop mid tourney was kinda nice
it was kind of bad for the tourney health
to have so many people play 10 and then drop

i also have a lot of criticism for how they implemented the primo rewards this season

its so hard to get any signifigant amount of primos from this new system that im pretty sure most players who played last time are just gonna not play instead
why does the primo reward scale exponentially after you hit 30 wins
well that's good then
so the tourney rewards arent going up, they are going down this season
the only time you get a signifigant reward is if you perform well, which apparently was alright already
Tbh yeah if you got a Welkin from the 450 (?) Welkin raffle, that is more primos and you got crystals too 
I don't mind the welkin thing as much because 1: you dont get a welkin, you get a raffle ticket, 2: the raffle ticket itself is less linked to participation
i guess if i were to try to word it
Uh you need to win 5 times and do minimum of 10 matches to be eligible to the Welkin in the first place though? 
not a "reward for pvp"
sure
something like that
but theres a conflict of interest here where
incentivizing people to continue playing in the tournament would be beneficial for the tournament
after 10 games
and they want people to try to win as well
nobody will argue on the original point that mihoyo said they wouldnt have rewards for pvp
and here we are with rewards for pvp
yadda yadda
there's no "conflict of interest" from what I'm looking at - it's either
1: keep the word of "no rewards for pvp"
2: don't
yeah the original point is all I care about
well yes that would probably be the general playerbase's opinion
the sliding scale thing is just how much prodding I or anyone in particular can take before a reaction comes out
which just makes me go back to, why care so much
the tcg community is trying to stay afloat here
stay afloat by enjoying tcg then as per usual?
and to me it seems like this really should just be a small annoyance to anyone
if anything

Not that I watched the stream when TCG was announced, but did they like specifically say there won't be rewards for PvP, ever?
I think they may have said it at the beginning because, originally there weren't any rewards.
Maybe, they didn't categorically mean no rewards forever?
Well I think what they intended originally is for the built-in TCG system to not come with any rewards so casual players and Abyss mains won't have to worry too much about it.
And in the case of CTG, it does not violate that vision because it's not built into the main game experience, but as an external event. CTG could be seen the same way as, say, HoYoLAB events - they are not part of the main game experience, but they still give out Primogems - IYKYK. (Let's be honest, not like all Abyss mains are going to do art for Primogems or anything.)
I think trying to argue that it was promised TCG wouldn't have PvP rewards in any way is just a misunderstanding - almost certainly that was just about on release
But that aside that's one of the reasons I don't like this incentive structure over rank based payouts
One feels like a tournament prize and is fine while the other feels like a weird roundabout in game event
And all the FOMO that comes with it
yeah this is kind of the wording i was trying to find
it does feel a bit off
Exactly my point
I agree with blep and SI
But i think the point remains the same
right i mostly wanted to reinforce the point here seems to be with the implementation of rewards rather than that TCG should not have rewards at all and i think that point was starting to be missed
I think if you're a regular tcg player, and particularly tcg players tend to lean analytical too, objectively speaking this reward structure is might be similar payout wise to something else.
But that was one of my initial criticisms with this reward system is that it's going to feel bad for some amount of the players who don't normally interact with TCG and cause FOMO and then that directs negativity towards TCG mode in general
Its almost the exact type of sentiment I was predicting would come out of it, word for word
I promise its not me on an alt accnt 
There are other ways to improve queueing without using this kind of prize structure and I think it's short sighted.
Whats going to come out of this is mostly players who probably would never have played TCG and ignored it, now still won't play but feel resentful towards it existing which is just all negative
Its the exact same compalint with the TCG event - you're not organically making players wanting to plat TCG more but just turning it into another event they have to grind even if they don't enjoy it.
What is going on? I open to a 100 page complaint about getting primogem? Just so you know prince cup also send winners primogems. People got primogems for tea pot building, answering trivia questions and all sort of random activities. There was a hoyolab event that give gems based on how many games you won in coop mode in game. All this is nothing new.
I say if people are only playing tcg for gems then that's on them. The game is so challenging and fun; plus no one's making them play it :{
If some people joined the tournament for some gems, they should know that's not the point of the tournament and shouldn't complain about something that wasn't meant for them 
But reading the tournament rules more carefully did they remove the 500 welkin raffle in place of this primogem system? If so that is a pretty bad change

Tldr of conversation
I work at subway to make money
Meanwhile someone working at mcdonalds: WHAT YOU MAKE MONEY FROM WORKING AT SUBWAY? THATS UNFAIR THEREFORE SUBWAY SUCKS
This makes literally no sense
Removing welkin is sadge tho…
Also probably only getting 10 wins havent played since 3.9
Actually 2 games from suc vs lp
Ark didn't promote it enough

How many wins do you need to get the season 4 card back?
3
Did people get welkin from S3? I’m guessing I didn’t win it this time since I didn’t get one but just wanna make sure
Does anyone know how to claim the card back from last season (season 3)?
Is the cardback for this season different from s3?
if it is, guess ill register for my 3 wins
I think it's the same one
its the same one
aw wha alr
Aaaaa sorry, I read everything but I’m still a bit confused,,, could someone walk me through it in simpler terms? I’m so sorry!! I’m trying my best but some things are harder for me to understand, mostly how many times I can play in the preliminary round?
so basically you have 5 games to play per day, but any games you didn't play in that day can still be played in the later days of the week
ok took a read, my two moras is that why does it really matter that a community event that happens to be about the tcg has primogem rewards? I don't see the difference with mhy making an art contest and putting primogems as a reward, or having you comment on their posts in hoyolab for a chance of rewards, or dear god do that hilichurl chest event
Mihoyo said there wouldn't be rewards for pvp, but the game itself doesn't give you pvp rewards. As far as I'm concerned this isn't much different than some guy on reddit organizing a tournament and offering to buy a welkin through codashop for the winner. Just a bit more official
Ohhhh ok! So, until September 4th is just the time to register, and then we will start playing after that day?
Either way, good luck to anyone participating and make the most of your games. Rules state that you could play in heated battle mode if you want, and I'm curious if people here are overall willing to do that?
"One feels like a tournament prize and is fine while the other feels like a weird roundabout in game event"
i like this wording
yeah, remember to check the queue time though - you only have two limited timeslots per day to play
im not against the primogem prize personally but i can see why some people may not like it
Thank you so much for all of your help!!! I appreciate it a lot!!!
ahh u could get primogems now
oh right preliminaries you can stick with a single deck right? It's only for the knockouts that you need to use different characters?
yes
well I doubt I'll make it that far so I suppose it's a bridge I'll cross when i get to it

if anything the primogem reward seems small
same one
it's the same until S5, presumably to give people time to collect it
guesses are that S6 introduces a new one
gotcha
2-3 seasons for a participation card back's a pretty decent window of time
enough for people who care to get it and only 3 wins are needed
thank youne miku for the info
Is it confirmed we lost the welkin raffle for this primogem table? Cuz like even the top 16 is only going to get around 500-600 gems where as before you can get a welkin which is 3000 gems
9oo6 nice pfp
I got 500 wishes saved up for her.
Top 16still lists a welkin as a prize
🤔
thats the max
Hello! I have a question
From this tournament, is it possible to miss a day? Because I can play with no problem all days except September 25 because I have school. Would that un qualify me?
Please pon pon answer my prayers
traditionally, you can catch up on your games after missing a day, it's just going to be more games to play to hit the leaderboard
you need to play 35 games (since everyone else on the leaderboards probably will lol)
as long as they fall within the middle it should be OK
idk what tourney day sept 25th is, but if it's an important one like knockouts, you might need to speak privately with an organizer to request a reschedule
but you gotta get through prelims first
(this is all assuming rules haven't changed)
It is the knockouts…
i'd worry about getting on the leaderboard first
the competition is tough
you won't make knockouts if you're not top 16!
Oh
if you do make KOs, i'm sure you could speak privately with an organizer to reschedule that day
So I can register without worrying about the 25 yeyyy
Tysm!!
yup!
good luck in the tournament
also i love your profile pic
Tysm! It’s from this artist> https://instagram.com/haru4ki?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
hello, for prelims and knockouts, do we have to state our deck beforehand, or can we make last minute changes to the deck before the match?
Also, the deck needs to be original, correct?
no
ok tysm
Sorry, just double checking- can we use the same decks for preliminary rounds? Or do the same rules apply as the knock-out rounds?
Yes you can, in the last preliminaries I used one deck at almost every single of my match 
Ohhh okok!! Thank you so much!!!
I’m definitely more on the beginner end, but I want to try my best!! It’s not like I have anything to lose other than my pride haha
well good luck hope you can enjoy the tourney
thank you!!
Hii again! Is there any list of requirements? I read the one at the register channel- but it doesn’t seem to mention a requirement in player level? However, while doing the registration discord tells me I need to write to ciphers, so only level 10 players can join? I’m sorry if I’m a little dumb in case the requirement was written indeed : (
Please tag me when answering sorry for the troubles!!
there is no level requierement as far as I know
Yay for me the prelim starts tomorrow I'm so excited ><
Hey @rich pecan sorry to call you... But ever up for a rematch? (I hope I did this right)
Srry I'm on holiday rn and won't be available till tmmr. I could get home before prelims start but idk
Oh it's ok, was just wondering. No need to make time or anything
Hmm you're right i don't see the player lvl 10 req in register but that's always been a requirement. Might be in FAQs?
I understand… Tysm…
it is?
iirc player level is used as tiebreak
Pretty sure you have to be 10
Tiebreaks should be play time then registration time?
Congratulations to @fathom fog for winning the Latin America Prince Cup!


ggs!!!
Do we have a channel here for playing some friendly matches? Who's down for it? :3
we dont have a channel but you just ask here or in #🎴genius-invokation-tcg
Thanks!
So looking at the schedule, it seems like tomorrow there is no morning queue, is that right?
looks that way. Evening queue will be the 1st queue of the new day
Player Level (GITCG Level) requirement is 4 (when co-op is open)
what time would the rounds be?
so I would register, and then when its time from sep4-11 I go and click queue? im in america server and I can only make the 2nd timeslot it shows. Would that still be ok to queue in that time only?
so its just based on how many wins I can get? Not the ratio of wins per match or anything?
Tysm!! I actually just reached it so I could register ^^
Sorry for bothering in this channel so much but, does discord streaming just mean game, or game and voice?
we need to be discord streaming for the matches?
oh ok
and only 3 wins necessary for the cardback right during 4th-11th? Will u know that by just havnig 30 points (could be 30 losses) or will we need to document our wins somehow
basically when you win you just have to do /giconclude win (or lose if you lost) and then a bot will give you your points
theres a leaderboard you can check
yes
I hope everyone plays 5 rounds of bin mirror matches tomorrow
ty
you cant get a bin mirror match if you dont play bin
is there going to be a prince cup associated with this NA cats tail this time?
If I do, what does the stream require?
I think it's a discord stream
even if you get top 16. you dont stream until you are in the semi finals
worry about it when you get there
honestly I made it to top 16 but I didnt make it to semi finals so I dont know for sure
I understand, tysm for your wise words!!
okay sorry last questions D:
So I queue on discord, I match with someone. Then we have to fight each other just to show 3 cards we each want to ban? Then we end that match as its only to show what cards to ban and then we actually do the match with the decks we using? Trying to get a step-by-step understanding pls
no
theres no banning here
just queue any deck and play a bo1
you just play a normal best of one without showing anything
no worries
dont worry about anything unless you top 16
I already registered, but am unsure as to what to do next. I was going to double check the rules at the official link, but it's just a broken page now?
Here is the official tweet directing to the same page as well: https://twitter.com/AstraCarnival/status/1696100314573640003?s=20
I only watched the Register Instructions and hadn't gotten around to the second video regarding Prelims (I think it was about it anyway)
Just a little lost 'cause Registration Phase is showing as not yet over yet in the #🎫register info
wait till prelim starts then play as you would matchmaking
I don' t think I even know how to
play as you would matchmaking
you press this start button on the appropriate time frame for you
you only need to stream when you reach Top 4
this will also your question @sinful lantern ~
Thank you! I was able to find the #preliminary-queue Good luck to all and have fun! ^^
@wary heron Yes
ah ok
well tournament starts soon and my nerves are peaking
I went 3-0 in heated battle mode but that's not giving me much confidence considering the giant losing streak that preceded it
how are y'all feeling about your upcoming games? Going confident, hyped, scared?
Uh
||Scared I might win this fr||
dead as usual
fear

I must say that I still don't know what deck I should use 

I have a single deck that I like to play 4 times a week every week, so whenever I play with friends I guess they're bored of me lol
Well one of my friend keep playing this Bennett Kaeya kopium deck and I still enjoy fighting my friend haha..
none of my friends even wants to play tcg 😔
no morning queue?
oh wait they offset the 7 day period so we get a morning queue next monday
this wasn't exactly what I had in mind when I asked for a catch-up day but I guess it kind of works
would be nicer to just have an 8 day period but
cause it hasn't passed the mentioned time yet
queues dont start until the event starts, which starts in 1 hour
then look for the first queue of ur server after that time


I'm sad that I'm willing to put myself through this again
But overall I'm have a good feeling, plus I'm a veteran loser by now
If I feel like things aren't working out I'll just quit on the third day
Should've made an european account when I had the chance though
Now they're actually playing wth
I always play with the expectation that I'm going to lose or am going to have a disfavourable match up so I can't get disappointed by the outcome
Can you only use one deck?
you can change your deck for every match
Oh that's good
I should probably start preparing and making sure my decks aren't bad or something (they're all handmade no guides ;-;)
I found it more fun to make my own, and they're not that bad
when in doubt press burst and hope for the best lol
XD
making your own decks is fine, I would just say you should do a good bit of practice in match making to know how to counter popular decks
Right. I don't know which are popular, but I do practice a lot
And I went into the heated battle thing and haven't lost yet
But two people quit right away lol
hmm, did the tournament start yet?
That’s sad 😦
I made my decks last night, haha. I was able to fill the slots without repeating characters
It would be quite nice if we could get a countdown server. Like the one they use to keep the time of sever maintenance
I would like to play some rounds with you! Same here ^^
Yay! I'm editing my deck rq but I'll be ready soon 
Totally agree. Training helps a lot.
Heated mode has it own rules, tho. I would suggest you to train outside of that. As far as I know your opponent can agree or not to play heated mode
Right, it was kinda easy
What’s your AR? Want me to join your world or wanna come to mine once you’re ready?
I'm 56
I’m 60, so it’s up to you :3
It's ok, send me your UID 🙂 want me to add you as friend or just join your world?
663111727
Perfect, I'll start the game and add you :3
I need to get nitro just so I can use that diona sticker elsewhere
You can download it
Fair actually
If not, you can look up diona stamps png online 😄
Request sent :3
Aww
Hahaha
excited Lisa screeching
excited kinoko screeching bc opponent comeback
Wowow good game
Hahaha
Haha
I'll concede ;-;
Ok!
There lmao
Uses all dice in one turn 
There's obviously a downside to that, your opponent gets to attack a bunch and you can't do anything
Exited Rhodeia screeching
no hydro dice screeching
sad Rhodeia noises
very sad Rhodeia noises
amazed kinoko noises
Wow this is close
Nice job!!
Equipping that bow at the end cost me the game
Oki
Gg! It was quite fun :3
When r we playing bc I didn’t receive anything today
Have we technically started just have to queue now? In that prelim thing?
queue start time is listed in your timezone in #preliminary-queue
for NA the next queue window starts about an hour from now
yeah the official start was just after the normal morning NA queue time, so even though it's "started" NA hasn't had it's first queue
sad why didnt they just make the start time earlier for NA and asia to play immediately 
no idea, but because of how the queue windows work one region is always going to fire immediately while the other 2 have to wait
I imagine for fairness they prob rotate which region starts first
because I do remember previously NA windows have started right away? Unless I'm mistaken
They did, yes
but my hypothesis is that they staggered it this way to provide kind of a flex day?
if the match limit still increases overnight (by NA time) then we now have the morning period next monday as a 'catch-up' time when the match limit isn't increasing
but I'm not sure if the match limit is increasing overnight or at noon
Does anyone know if we're allowed to stream our matches in Twitch to record the duels?
should be fine
I think the TOs are happy to have more exposure that way
Also, I forgot how many duels per day ;w;
Is it three?
you get 5, so 35 total
Ohh, thank you!
One last question... What is Joyous celebration used for?
The only thing I could think would be to escape elemental reactions
that's pretty much the only thing it's good for but still wouldn't recommend using it myself
its for cleansing aura ya
Right, I was sad because it's one of the prettiest cards in TCG imo 😭
only useful against specific decks in specific situations 
Hope they buff it or change
I wonder if it would be better if they changed it to 0 cost 
idk why im nervous for prelims ;-;
Prob not bc there's better arcanes anyway
I dunno the difference between 0 and 1 cost is pretty huge. If you make it cost 0 it might just be too default include for any deck that isn't running another arcane
Yes 
My bad but that's a video of me bullying someone using double Wind & Freedom 
I saw, nice work
you can make a good argument for mondstadt res to be the best location res of the 4
But it seems like you have to set up first
ty
right, but the setup is you performing regular game actions which is defeating opposing chars. You just need to have 1 spare dice on the needed turn
Plus I'm worried about not having enough dice to act again then it's wasted
its best used with gambler ofc
if you can't use it then you can't use it. But then it's not any different from another card that isn't a 0 cost
just need to count your dice before you move
there's very few cards in your deck that will be 0 cost but have a significant impact on the game
Right, I've been working on that. /0 use really are op
I'm debating swap vanarana for wind and freedom
will you be streaming?
You 100% want at least 1 of those if you’re able to, one of the most busted cards in the game atm
Which one
Mond res
Ok
Sorry I meant 1 copy of mond res
Right, I got it 
5 mins
Yaaaayyy
are we all rushing in when q opens or waiting to snipe someone
There should be instructions
From what I understand, we join world, battle, submit result
how do we submit it again? is it with the bot?
yes
Yes, it should be instructed too

wait do we no longer need screenshots for results
how does skill based matchmaking work when lb is counted by wins despairge
so if you win more youre gonna lose more
if you lose more youre gonna win more
its gonna even out
that's kind of how swiss tournaments work though. Top records play each other. it mostly ends up being a wash since everyone is in the same boat
just means the upper records usually not as high
yea except this isnt swiss
true, it's trying to be swiss-like though if you pair like records 
some players play 5 games a day while others dump 35 into the last 2 days
but yeah not quite there
thought it was max 5 a day
yea but it stacks
wym
lmaoo okok not ominous at all tyy
they also presumably have ways of confirming whether or not we forfeit
though I still have no idea why that's considered worthy of a strike
if one of the admins could illuminate, it would be nice
to save from having to play through another round or two when I already know I'm going to lose
apparently due to "sportsmanship"
forfeiting is better sportsmanship
but it feel like reverse sportmanship because its just stalling out a game
like in chess for example, you're expected to forfeit when you're obviously going to lose, instead of stringing the game out
also, are strikes given only at the end or at the moment when the offense occurs
if I've earned a strike by conceding, then how am I meant to know?
that's not a choice that anyone else should be making for me, but me
remember your opponent can always be ddos and lose
winning that way would feel worse
it was a joke...
I honestly don't understand this perspective
how can you be robbed of a victory, if your opponent just conceded that you won
and why is the winner's value in seeing that victory through, worth more than the loser's frustration at having to sit through it?
if I'm sitting on a barbara at 6hp against a full team of 3 at 8hp each
you cant just "try more" if youre losing youre losing
there is literally no scenario where I win and feel good about it
it might take them a while but they will kill me and there's nothing I can do about it so I may as well save us both five minutes, right
yea you can postpone losing by 2 turn
and then?
lets say i play ls and my ning gets sniped
what am i going to do
heal on barb and koko for another 20 mins?
it's not that hard to forcefully concede lol
if the game is over
just keep passing and ending the round
surely they can do enough damage to outdo your totm..... right
thats true but the point is that the rule is badge
Do you get a card back by winning 3 matches in the preliminary phase?
yea
yup!
winning 3 isn't too bad
3/35 record isn't asking for much 😮
just win 3/35
So if we just want to win the card back, win at least 3 times and then how do we continue? Just keep playing matches? Would get banned if I stopped after 3 matches?
you can stop whenever
but winning more can get you cash and primo and welkin
and entry to bigger tournaments
Yeah, I suppose I could try. As for deck requirements, can we use the same deck every match?
I saw something about 3 different decks for the Knockout matches, but what even are these matches?
that only matters if you get top 16 in the preliminaries
focus on the prelims for now, then if you make it you have a week to prepare and familiarize yourself with knockout rules
Ah I see
I will try my best then
At least, for the primos (I assume the quota is 5 matches per day, for a week which makes 35) which the quota is 5, whether you win or lose you can only get 5 matches to count right?
seems like no fun is allowed every match is meta decks
idk if mine counts as meta ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Tournaments are very competitive so is normal
Me neither I just do the same bloom team, I don't really know what is meta
love your pfp
Also thank you those who helped me earlier
honestly my deck is performing better than i expected it to
Bc you're good bagel be more confident

nah, i think its so crackhead its defying logic 
No bagel is good
is the timmie card good?
Meh
ive seen it twice now
yeah
imo once you are deterministically dead on board with no potential counterplay you could represent in hand and you know your opponent also knows that, you should be free to concede
it's very good in decks that push on turn 3
which is every combo deck and some midrange decks like AEC
...AEC?
ohhhhh
so agent oceanid + fischl/yae
and even if we both don't know that, I should be free to decide I'm done playing anyway
tbh I think it's a combination of 2 things
a vestige from when screenshots were required
and a measure to prevent wintrading
not allowing conceding is a very bad way to prevent wintrading
in fact it doesnt even prevent it at all
I see more countenders every tournament , nice 
the amount of contenders will level off after a bit
it's not great I'll give it that
but it makes it much harder to execute
it's more that since it does something it becomes hard to justify removing
i mean
the sportsmanship part doesn't matter
because the host can see on the backend the results of every game
it's as simple as looking at a timeframe of when the game takes place
checking when the 2 uid's played
if at all
and then logging the results
that's how they resolve any misreported results
when to queue 
(2) 
(3)
Queue now while I can't
if I only do 3 fights today instead of 5, do the 2 remaining move over to tomorrow?
yes
damn why didn't you tell me this secret strat before I queued into you twice 
could've used it
srry i forgor blep worrypat
it's fine I'm not playing to make KOs anyway right now I rarely have time
i got skill difference'd

opponent went to 0 cards in hand
doesnt run any consistency cards
and just rolled perfect dice every round
well...... .-. okay i guess
It’s okay I’ve lost every match so far wjdgwgvsvs
I’ve never played any meta decks before and don’t know what to do,,, Everyone is so strong someone save meeeee =,-)))
hopefully with the matchmaking it'll at least be easier for ppl who just want the card back to go with their 3 wins
we'll see
3 wins was always easy even for newcomers tho
In a couple day it will all be bin shenhe sc nec
Are you not casting knockouts this time?
What happens if you somehow made it?
I mean he could
itll be quite entertaining actually
Since it's casting the recording
He can give a first hand account of why he made his plays
mm dunno hasn't happened yet. The one time i did make it to KOs in beta i just cast a different region
I see
it's usually better not to cast your own matches 
any way to apply for casting
there's a time and place for that but the stream is not it
RNG 

realistic answer - I don't think there's a real way unless you get a reasonable social following on the level of the existing casters for CTG for the other regions 
win s4 and put it on resume to apply for casting :kleevil:
I kind of fell into it by coincidence and from being involved with the moderation side already and helping organize early stuff
despite not having any CC presence
so more of an exception
Make a youtube channel and tell people from gitcg to subscribe
seconded
You already do twitch anyway
does this mean that if i queue into SI I can subscribe in exchange for not getting beaten up?
si says yes
0-35 SI possible ?
so if each subscriber is
$5
i make $105
in exchange for going 0-35
thats quite good
i can go 0-35 on my alt too to make $210

Si check your paypal 🙃
I'm, haha, but not in real time
that wouldn't be fair
I'm streaming from my replays :3
this game has a spot for luck, tho. I mean, a lightning could strike. I would always fight to the end
maybe making time can make your opponent get into a power shortage?
haha, I'm at 4/1 victories xD hope I can keep that ratio
4-1 is pretty good congrats
I make my own decks :3 let me know if you wanna play ^^
do you think so?
thank you! hope all of you had fun ^^ all my matches were amusing
btw, what does the card in the friends profile mean? are they in the middle of a duel?
Or think they can make it to the leaderboard with 3.3 ayamiya
And then retire after realizing it's not broken anymore
I play for the back card as a short term goal, but mostly because I like TCG and my Genshin friends are not so much into it, haha. Sorry if I reply a lot around, I'm really glad to have found this chat
No worries, I feel like I reply a lot too
anyone know?
s
xD
omg, we can observe duels
Could you send a screenshot, I'm not sure what you're referring to
I have Kinoko as a friend
so in my friend list there appears a backcard
besides their Lyney (sorry about the pronouns, English is not my native language)
I was a able to enter in a observe mode
So we know how match making works by the way?
As in how it matches with someone of similar skill
wdym?
In the previous seasons of tavern when you matched someone it was completely random but in this one it's supposed to be matching you with people of similar skill
Oh, about that. The only information I can provide is all my opponents were around the same AR as me
Ar probably doesn't play a role in it
at the beggining is all random, its after the first games that the bot starts placing you against similar skill players
Oh that is interesting, I do get matched with multiple fellow AR 60, I wonder if that's just a coincidence for both of us?
Yeah but is it based on score or win rate?
good point
Like what happens with me who hasn't played any game yet, do I play against people with 0 wins and 5 losses tomorrow
I'm that score now
if my programing skills and knowledge about standings isnt rusty, at least the first 5 games should be quite random
after that the system will search for opponents with rougly the same W/L as you
the thing that i dont know how is being handled is when the system match you with someone with more played games than you
well, I played against 55, 56, 58 and 60 AR
i dont think the ar matters on this
is there a minimum AR to register here?
if not, then it probably does
even when the event takes place in Mondstad, you gotta be able to travel across most regions to have a chance to duel against other nations NPC and buy/win cards, isn't it?
This is what I was talking about ^^
It would take a lot of time, tho, isn't it? I don't know if that would be fair, haha
You haven't heard the legend of the 11 harbingers of kirano
You'll see in due time but kirano plays in all regions of cat's tail and specifically grinded accounts to 32 for it
At least I think he grinded the accounts for tcg, I'm not sure if he already had them
AR32 accounts most threatening
Gee I wonder who won almost all his matches across 3 servers last time 
Seriously that guy is nuts
what a hero
Many players have done that
Those are usually people who play tcg more than genshin itself
interesting
That's why we fear ar 32 people
I also have an ar 32 asia account
I thought no one came to Genshin just for TCG
since mostly I have heard about people hating it
I believe people from genshin are the ones who don't like the tcg
afaik all who said so are Abyss mains
I kinda love the whole of it. I wish I was better with spaces so I could spare more time in the teapot
The tcg is pretty good as a tcg the only reason why there aren't more tcg players of other games that come to gitcg is because of the barrier to entry that is reaching ar 32
some people have been discussing making GITCG its own game to avoid tying too much into the main game
... turns out GITCG is also a canon event
I enjoyed Yu-gi-oh! back thenn but it was hella expensive. Also, I kinda hated what the game became once the pendulum we
Some people probably cant make hoyo do it
were added*
pends 
play master duel instead 
Too hard to keep up when my budget is less than 0
gitcgshowdown.com when
👀
I have actually started making something like this
5 game today, I faced a total of 4 Shenhe Sc
if they ever release that, hope we can have friendly matches against other servers
Maybe should start running double send off in every deck
ive had about 20 people dm me asking about whether i know if someone is working on a gitcg sim lmao
Somewhat unsure about the legality of it though
bc they want to work on their own
all the way back in 3.3 people tried and no one has ever finished the project
Guessing hoyo wouldn't care enough so it's probably fine
outside of playing on google sheets
or sigma's incomplete sim but that one is pretty good
People always start projects they will never finish
actually if we weren't forced to have to be in the same world to play against each other then a separate system could have been built to allow cross-server matching
its not gonna happen
It'll happen eventually but not by hoyo
I mean that's why I mentioned it's a canon event
Unless the tcg dies before someone does it
because it is, in fact, a canon event
it's in the story, hence the entire AR32 thing and physical Cat's Tail building
what's a canon event?
basically a key event of the story
of course TCG is just a side thing, but it ties a lot into the world around it
and some of the later 3.x patches are literally TCG event patches
(not to mention that Kirara's existence was only justified by that one TCG-powered heist)
SBMM, baby
Ikr 
I'm ready to play my matches for the tournament today. I'm still trying to figure this out. How do I set up my match?
si likes staying below lb so dodge snipers...
click this button https://discord.com/channels/865768900662788107/1071009460966936596
What happens if people queue and get a match before the time slot is over and finish the duel after the time slot is over? Would it count?
I'm realizing i may have screwed myself doing it this late in the day
yes
Did he confirmed the loss?
yes
You could just tell him that forfeiting is a strike, but if he confirmed then there's no harm
ok then
Do we know if cards description and stuff are final? Fischl is so broken now that she can do electro damage with her elemental skill xD I don't know about you but I feel like I want them to keep the old cards as they're and not having to do the reading on all of it once new cards are added
so it's just
thanks for the help!
3 wins to get the card back right
it can be the same person? cause i fought the same guy twice already
They should add it to the HoyoLab as they did with Mimo games. That way we would spend more time using their own platform and we still could play in-game since that's the way you get the cards
Some people new to the tournament doesn't know or read all the rules... so better just inform them so they won't repeat the same mistake later
ur right, ill keep it in mind
ALSO how many games are we allowed to play
5 per day
5 per day
thank you!
also sorry that i conceded, but thank you for the game and for not penalizing 😭
dont worry, u didnt knew about it
I think it doesn't matter since the match is made by the bot
Anyone have the link for the full rules for the tournament and the procedures? I want to watch those info videos.
Also, I was only able to get one match this day, does this mean i'm screwed for this tourney?
Nope!! Your unplayed games will carry onto the next day so you’re safe, don’t worry!!
I think all the necessary info should be right here! Also, I’ve seen a lot of Monas in the games so far if that’s useful knowledge for you!
https://discord.com/channels/865768900662788107/1097076637868236850
wdym? what's wrong with the Monas being around?
There’s nothing wrong,,, I was just letting them know, in case knowing what characters people are using would be helpful 😅😅😅

Ohhh haha
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. It's good to keep up to date on what's the current meta and tier decks
and food for thought: Mona Teams' use of her ability is both their strength AND their weakness.
yus
Wdym mean
Let's bring SI down
End his reign of terror
Once and for all

SI is a great player
The final boss of NA 
haha
also known as robot wizard or StupidIdiot (the reason behind his nick name)
I see
he's also the reason why I had to stop insulting myself by calling myself a stupid idiot
the phrase lost it's meaning
the community lore sounds interesting
now stupid idiot just translate to an amazing GITCG player
yeah we have a lot of lore
what are their achievements?
north america champion of prince cup
nice
the guy farmed NA tavern lmao
he won all cats tail gathering alpha
Yeah
Like I'm abandoned from certain place bcz I did a lot of evil in the past
he's been playing for very long and has done really well in tournaments since the first weekly in 3.3
We should start giving them archon names
I'm straight up menace
Run away from me

Hahaha, the summon spell worked
It's my turn to abandon you 
Si can be zhongli?
old?
What does SUC stand for?
Even if u wanted to u can't
U don't have enough resolve to abandon a fellow cultist

U are better than **
Wdym, I can do it rn

Exactly, it's a flexible tool to get you into the right set-up or out of a tight situation. But it runs a risk of ending your turn too soon and leave you open at the end of a turn. This is why pacing and slowing down is sometimes better than rushing your turn.

stupididiot very pro he always wins
He has plot armor 
extremely thick plot armor
No it just suits him
Hahaha, lmao, he's the Genius Invocator
True
main theme sounds when comes online in the chat
anyways, I still have a slot available in my records history. Does anyone wanna play a friendly round?
I would volunteer to duel you
but I rather save it for when we meet in tavern match making
Damn
"mm"?
haha, hope to have the honor soon, then
we can play i guess 
I'm sure we will
don't expect much though, i'm pretty bad at this game






