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glad junco
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how can you check if you already signed up? I can't remember when, or if I did

twilit steppe
tacit spear
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I know it isn't a lot, but why are Primogems a reward for the upcoming season? I thought players were promised that no major rewards would be tied to tcg and it would be a game feature for fun

long ledge
wary heron
wary heron
long ledge
ancient spindle
long ledge
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Technically, the rewards aren't tied in game, and are given out to players that are joining the tavern yaethunk

twilit steppe
tacit spear
twilit steppe
tacit spear
tacit spear
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yeah but it feels like you're more likely right than wrong

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idk, I feel like "no rewards for pvp" should mean exactly that

long ledge
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I guess it's somewhat inevitable, since there's a competitive scene. Especially in CN, so there's incentive to atleast grow the pvp scene somewhat.

polar barn
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@tacit spear bcz

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Tournament is not a in game event

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Ctg is not organised by mihoyo

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U have to understand that

tacit spear
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why are there primogems then

polar barn
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I don't understand what u are trying to get

twilit steppe
polar barn
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If I give primo to ryssa for playing well

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How does it revert

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Mihoyos saying

tacit spear
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who is sponsoring all the primogems then

polar barn
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?

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Sponsors have nothing to do with in game

tacit spear
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who is providing the primogems

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if it's mihoyo, that's a reward for pvp

rich wasp
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it isnt like mihoyo hasnt given out primogems for community events in the past

tacit spear
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yeah sure, but they probably never said they wouldnt give out primogems for whatever events those were

rich wasp
polar barn
rich wasp
polar barn
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Not a

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' Event !

tacit spear
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predicting whether a reaction happens does not invalidate the reaction

rich wasp
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genuinely i dont have a justification for why there are primogem rewards here

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but as someone who plays the tcg religiously im not gonna complain

tacit spear
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yeah, I'm speaking as someone who doesn't

polar barn
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Although I don't agree with primogems as a reward myself but
I'm sorry to say this your argument is flawed
ChildeExit_Oatmeal

rich wasp
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but as someone who doesnt

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why care?

tacit spear
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how is my taking the words right out of a dev stream a flawed argument?

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you just said "probably meant for coop mode" as a response

polar barn
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File a case against mihoyo
trust

tacit spear
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why should I guess what they mean to say instead of take words at face value

rich wasp
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if its something about like, i dont know, min maxing primogems, its similar to those community events anyways

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stuff that requires you to do stuff out of the game, like posting a guide or doing art

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if its something about mihoyo lying

tacit spear
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nah, those are fine and cool

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that's more the issue

rich wasp
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if its just about 1 line mihoyo had in a trailer i dont see the reason to care that much about it

tacit spear
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I mean the guy saying it is saying it in Chinese next to Dawei so I kinda care

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especially when they emphasized all those points back then to ensure players that they wouldn't be missing out on anything if they elected not to participate in tcg at all

rich wasp
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well

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i dont think thats quite the point they made

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you definitely miss out on a lot of stuff by not doing tcg already with just the in game rewards

polar barn
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Card backs
Dynamic skins

tacit spear
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none of those are tied to pvp, and the primo ones are completely PVE

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card backs are obtainable through exchanging materials not related to tcg

ancient spindle
polar barn
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Ayawah

ancient spindle
rich wasp
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nomads making a case here bc people who play in these tournaments get exclusive card backs but thats a reward in the tcg from the tcg

tacit spear
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yeah, a good many of them are - there's a handful that you get through player level

rich wasp
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id say most people would find less issue with that

tacit spear
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but all that gets done in pve

tacit spear
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there's a difference between getting a little "tcg club member's badge"-like reward and then getting rewards that are usable in the core game

rich wasp
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you mean the side game right

polar barn
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I won't even argue
Bcz for me the main issue isn't an issue

tacit spear
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no, the main game

rich wasp
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so the side game

polar barn
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Ask this guy
@pon.pon

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@frozen pike

tacit spear
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like I get the joke, but no really

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also probably don't ping people when they arent involved?

rich wasp
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well

polar barn
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He is the dude that gets stuff done here

rich wasp
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the reason why there was primo rewards was bc the organizers of the tournament asked in a survey whether or not participants thought primogem rewards for participating was a good idea

tacit spear
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yeah but unless he's a mihoyo rep I dont see why you are looking for them for answers

polar barn
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Well he can talk to higher ups

tacit spear
polar barn
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So yeah

tacit spear
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and mihoyo, in my opinion, should have said no

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it's not wrong to ask

polar barn
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Indeed

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I agree

rich wasp
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so what would be the difference between, say

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someone winning $1000 through gitcg pvp

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and someone winning 1600 primos through gitcg pvp

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what about the latter is so much worse

tacit spear
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if 1600 primogems was the prize for first place

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0 people would find it problematic, despite the fact that it technically does go against what was said

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any prize amount really

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because the condition for getting it is so extreme

rich wasp
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or how about how there have been 600 people who have won a welkin by playing 10 games in this tournament then

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or maybe 450 idk some large number

tacit spear
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that it's no longer merely a "reward just for being in pvp"

tacit spear
rich wasp
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it was a raffle, but it required you to win at least 5 games and play at least 10 iirc?

tacit spear
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something like that, I was in it

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like

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the line has to be drawn somewhere

tacit spear
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obviously all of those things are against what was said/promised

rich wasp
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so why is that okay but not an avg of 160 primos per participant who plays 35 games out

tacit spear
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but there are some things you can let go, you can give an inch

rich wasp
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or less okay, i guess

tacit spear
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but here we're clearly seeing that things are going for the mile here

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and this is where I'd say we maybe need to take a step back and reevaluate

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because all those things you listed, any one of them individually, sure whatever

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but now they're all adding up

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especially since we're going into season 4

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who is to say seasons 5, 6, 7 and so on aren't going to have even more rewards?

rich wasp
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im not sure if its adding up

tacit spear
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it's the whole "fool me once, fool me twice, etc"

rich wasp
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im pretty sure the reason someone would be mad would be just the most recent addition

tacit spear
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it's the recent addition, on top of everything else

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straw that breaks the camel's back, yknow?

rich wasp
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not really

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id imagine the same complaints would come up if this was the only reward

tacit spear
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not from me

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if this was hypothetically the S1 reward, and no other reward existed,

rich wasp
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im pretty sure people would get mad

tacit spear
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I wouldn't be alarmed until I see S2 have more rewards on top of that

tacit spear
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I just told my personal tolerance

rich wasp
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im pretty sure ur lying to yourself

tacit spear
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what?

rich wasp
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did you really care about any of the stuff i mentioned

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before i mentioned it

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i dunno it never got brought up

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just the primogem part

tacit spear
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yes, but I just explained my thinking

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when I participated in s3 I thought the card back was going to be the end of it

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and it would be a new card back maybe every few seasons or so, no big deal

tacit spear
rich wasp
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in my mind, as a tcg player

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they replaced the welkin raffle with this primogem thing

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really, they are giving less primos than in previous seasons already

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but i think with primogem rewards that scale up instead of stopping after you play 10 games, it should incentivize people to not just

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stop playing in the middle of the tourney

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the rewards arent really scaling up this season

tacit spear
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yeah... being able to stop mid tourney was kinda nice

rich wasp
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it was kind of bad for the tourney health

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to have so many people play 10 and then drop

tacit spear
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well

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unfortunate for the tourney I guess

timid marsh
rich wasp
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i also have a lot of criticism for how they implemented the primo rewards this season

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its so hard to get any signifigant amount of primos from this new system that im pretty sure most players who played last time are just gonna not play instead

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why does the primo reward scale exponentially after you hit 30 wins

tacit spear
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well that's good then

rich wasp
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so the tourney rewards arent going up, they are going down this season

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the only time you get a signifigant reward is if you perform well, which apparently was alright already

twilit steppe
rich wasp
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which sounds like it should be okay with you

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overall

tacit spear
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I don't mind the welkin thing as much because 1: you dont get a welkin, you get a raffle ticket, 2: the raffle ticket itself is less linked to participation

rich wasp
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i guess if i were to try to word it

tacit spear
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if I were to word it

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it's a raffle

twilit steppe
tacit spear
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not a "reward for pvp"

rich wasp
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sure

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something like that

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but theres a conflict of interest here where

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incentivizing people to continue playing in the tournament would be beneficial for the tournament

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after 10 games

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and they want people to try to win as well

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nobody will argue on the original point that mihoyo said they wouldnt have rewards for pvp

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and here we are with rewards for pvp

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yadda yadda

tacit spear
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there's no "conflict of interest" from what I'm looking at - it's either
1: keep the word of "no rewards for pvp"
2: don't

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yeah the original point is all I care about

rich wasp
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well yes that would probably be the general playerbase's opinion

tacit spear
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the sliding scale thing is just how much prodding I or anyone in particular can take before a reaction comes out

rich wasp
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which just makes me go back to, why care so much

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the tcg community is trying to stay afloat here

tacit spear
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stay afloat by enjoying tcg then as per usual?

rich wasp
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and to me it seems like this really should just be a small annoyance to anyone

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if anything

tacit spear
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I feel you, but word was word

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that's all there is from what I see

thorny oyster
wooden dawn
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Not that I watched the stream when TCG was announced, but did they like specifically say there won't be rewards for PvP, ever?

I think they may have said it at the beginning because, originally there weren't any rewards.
Maybe, they didn't categorically mean no rewards forever?

supple marsh
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Well I think what they intended originally is for the built-in TCG system to not come with any rewards so casual players and Abyss mains won't have to worry too much about it.

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And in the case of CTG, it does not violate that vision because it's not built into the main game experience, but as an external event. CTG could be seen the same way as, say, HoYoLAB events - they are not part of the main game experience, but they still give out Primogems - IYKYK. (Let's be honest, not like all Abyss mains are going to do art for Primogems or anything.)

pearl fern
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I think trying to argue that it was promised TCG wouldn't have PvP rewards in any way is just a misunderstanding - almost certainly that was just about on release

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But that aside that's one of the reasons I don't like this incentive structure over rank based payouts

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One feels like a tournament prize and is fine while the other feels like a weird roundabout in game event

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And all the FOMO that comes with it

rich wasp
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it does feel a bit off

polar barn
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I agree with blep and SI
But i think the point remains the same

pearl fern
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nod right i mostly wanted to reinforce the point here seems to be with the implementation of rewards rather than that TCG should not have rewards at all and i think that point was starting to be missed

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I think if you're a regular tcg player, and particularly tcg players tend to lean analytical too, objectively speaking this reward structure is might be similar payout wise to something else.

But that was one of my initial criticisms with this reward system is that it's going to feel bad for some amount of the players who don't normally interact with TCG and cause FOMO and then that directs negativity towards TCG mode in general

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Its almost the exact type of sentiment I was predicting would come out of it, word for word

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I promise its not me on an alt accnt KekDoggo

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There are other ways to improve queueing without using this kind of prize structure and I think it's short sighted.

Whats going to come out of this is mostly players who probably would never have played TCG and ignored it, now still won't play but feel resentful towards it existing which is just all negative

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Its the exact same compalint with the TCG event - you're not organically making players wanting to plat TCG more but just turning it into another event they have to grind even if they don't enjoy it.

rose perch
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What is going on? I open to a 100 page complaint about getting primogem? Just so you know prince cup also send winners primogems. People got primogems for tea pot building, answering trivia questions and all sort of random activities. There was a hoyolab event that give gems based on how many games you won in coop mode in game. All this is nothing new.

steep pendant
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I say if people are only playing tcg for gems then that's on them. The game is so challenging and fun; plus no one's making them play it :{

If some people joined the tournament for some gems, they should know that's not the point of the tournament and shouldn't complain about something that wasn't meant for them kusastare

rose perch
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But reading the tournament rules more carefully did they remove the 500 welkin raffle in place of this primogem system? If so that is a pretty bad change

polar barn
crystal tapir
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Tldr of conversation
I work at subway to make money
Meanwhile someone working at mcdonalds: WHAT YOU MAKE MONEY FROM WORKING AT SUBWAY? THATS UNFAIR THEREFORE SUBWAY SUCKS

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This makes literally no sense

polar barn
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True

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I stand by my point that his argument was flawed

crystal tapir
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Removing welkin is sadge tho…
Also probably only getting 10 wins havent played since 3.9

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Actually 2 games from suc vs lp

polar barn
patent ridge
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How many wins do you need to get the season 4 card back?

rich wasp
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3

hybrid whale
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Did people get welkin from S3? I’m guessing I didn’t win it this time since I didn’t get one but just wanna make sure

junior fossil
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Does anyone know how to claim the card back from last season (season 3)?

slow mason
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you wait

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it's not out yet

drowsy wharf
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Is the cardback for this season different from s3?

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if it is, guess ill register for my 3 wins

slow mason
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I think it's the same one

rich wasp
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its the same one

drowsy wharf
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aw wha alr

chrome sandal
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Aaaaa sorry, I read everything but I’m still a bit confused,,, could someone walk me through it in simpler terms? I’m so sorry!! I’m trying my best but some things are harder for me to understand, mostly how many times I can play in the preliminary round?

supple marsh
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so basically you have 5 games to play per day, but any games you didn't play in that day can still be played in the later days of the week

thick charm
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ok took a read, my two moras is that why does it really matter that a community event that happens to be about the tcg has primogem rewards? I don't see the difference with mhy making an art contest and putting primogems as a reward, or having you comment on their posts in hoyolab for a chance of rewards, or dear god do that hilichurl chest event
Mihoyo said there wouldn't be rewards for pvp, but the game itself doesn't give you pvp rewards. As far as I'm concerned this isn't much different than some guy on reddit organizing a tournament and offering to buy a welkin through codashop for the winner. Just a bit more official

chrome sandal
thick charm
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Either way, good luck to anyone participating and make the most of your games. Rules state that you could play in heated battle mode if you want, and I'm curious if people here are overall willing to do that?

rich wasp
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"One feels like a tournament prize and is fine while the other feels like a weird roundabout in game event"

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i like this wording

supple marsh
rich wasp
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im not against the primogem prize personally but i can see why some people may not like it

chrome sandal
white cipher
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ahh u could get primogems now

thick charm
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oh right preliminaries you can stick with a single deck right? It's only for the knockouts that you need to use different characters?

rich wasp
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yes

thick charm
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well I doubt I'll make it that far so I suppose it's a bridge I'll cross when i get to it

crystal tapir
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if anything the primogem reward seems small

pseudo marten
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is the exclusive card back the same as s3's one?

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or is it any different?

rich wasp
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same one

pseudo marten
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gotcha so a general tournament back

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not complaining it beats fomo every season

supple marsh
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it's the same until S5, presumably to give people time to collect it

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guesses are that S6 introduces a new one

pseudo marten
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gotcha

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2-3 seasons for a participation card back's a pretty decent window of time

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enough for people who care to get it and only 3 wins are needed

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thank youne miku for the info

ancient spindle
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well hope next season the primo reward is 10 times more

rose perch
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Is it confirmed we lost the welkin raffle for this primogem table? Cuz like even the top 16 is only going to get around 500-600 gems where as before you can get a welkin which is 3000 gems

crystal tapir
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9oo6 nice pfp

rose perch
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I got 500 wishes saved up for her.

pearl fern
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Top 16still lists a welkin as a prize

hallow lance
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🤔

narrow dew
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Wait, I’m confused

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Can you play more than 35 games?

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Or it that the max?

slow mason
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thats the max

narrow dew
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Ah okay

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Thank you

proven whale
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Hello! I have a question

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From this tournament, is it possible to miss a day? Because I can play with no problem all days except September 25 because I have school. Would that un qualify me?

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Please pon pon answer my prayers

safe plaza
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you need to play 35 games (since everyone else on the leaderboards probably will lol)

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as long as they fall within the middle it should be OK

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idk what tourney day sept 25th is, but if it's an important one like knockouts, you might need to speak privately with an organizer to request a reschedule

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but you gotta get through prelims first

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(this is all assuming rules haven't changed)

proven whale
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It is the knockouts…

safe plaza
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the competition is tough

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you won't make knockouts if you're not top 16!

proven whale
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Oh

safe plaza
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if you do make KOs, i'm sure you could speak privately with an organizer to reschedule that day

proven whale
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Tysm!!

safe plaza
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good luck in the tournament

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also i love your profile pic

proven whale
river dew
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hello, for prelims and knockouts, do we have to state our deck beforehand, or can we make last minute changes to the deck before the match?

Also, the deck needs to be original, correct?

river dew
chrome sandal
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Sorry, just double checking- can we use the same decks for preliminary rounds? Or do the same rules apply as the knock-out rounds?

twilit steppe
ancient spindle
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huh i see new players coming to TCG

chrome sandal
chrome sandal
ancient spindle
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well good luck hope you can enjoy the tourney

chrome sandal
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thank you!!

proven whale
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Hii again! Is there any list of requirements? I read the one at the register channel- but it doesn’t seem to mention a requirement in player level? However, while doing the registration discord tells me I need to write to ciphers, so only level 10 players can join? I’m sorry if I’m a little dumb in case the requirement was written indeed : (

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Please tag me when answering sorry for the troubles!!

slow mason
steep pendant
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Yay for me the prelim starts tomorrow I'm so excited ><

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Hey @rich pecan sorry to call you... But ever up for a rematch? (I hope I did this right)

rich pecan
steep pendant
pearl fern
proven whale
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I understand… Tysm…

crystal tapir
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iirc player level is used as tiebreak

pearl fern
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Pretty sure you have to be 10

thorny oyster
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oh

pearl fern
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Tiebreaks should be play time then registration time?

outer silo
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Congratulations to @fathom fog for winning the Latin America Prince Cup!

thorny oyster
subtle ibex
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wokeyellwokeyellggs!!!

solar aspen
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Do we have a channel here for playing some friendly matches? Who's down for it? :3

slow mason
solar aspen
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Thanks!

outer silo
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So looking at the schedule, it seems like tomorrow there is no morning queue, is that right?

gaunt mica
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looks that way. Evening queue will be the 1st queue of the new day

frozen pike
sinful lantern
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what time would the rounds be?

sinful lantern
# slow mason <#1071009460966936596>

so I would register, and then when its time from sep4-11 I go and click queue? im in america server and I can only make the 2nd timeslot it shows. Would that still be ok to queue in that time only?

slow mason
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yes

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you can play at any of the time slots

sinful lantern
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and when I lose a game, do I stop queueing entirely?

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a match/game

slow mason
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it doesnt matter how many times you lose

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you just play within the time frame

sinful lantern
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so its just based on how many wins I can get? Not the ratio of wins per match or anything?

slow mason
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it's bassed on how many points you get

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10 points for a win 1 for a loss

proven whale
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Sorry for bothering in this channel so much but, does discord streaming just mean game, or game and voice?

sinful lantern
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we need to be discord streaming for the matches?

slow mason
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you dont have to stream

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unless you get to top 16

sinful lantern
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oh ok

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and only 3 wins necessary for the cardback right during 4th-11th? Will u know that by just havnig 30 points (could be 30 losses) or will we need to document our wins somehow

slow mason
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basically when you win you just have to do /giconclude win (or lose if you lost) and then a bot will give you your points

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theres a leaderboard you can check

sinful lantern
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okay

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last question, are the matches for preliminary best of 1 then?

slow mason
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yes

rose perch
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I hope everyone plays 5 rounds of bin mirror matches tomorrow

sinful lantern
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ty

slow mason
rose perch
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is there going to be a prince cup associated with this NA cats tail this time?

proven whale
slow mason
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I think it's a discord stream

rose perch
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even if you get top 16. you dont stream until you are in the semi finals

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worry about it when you get there

slow mason
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honestly I made it to top 16 but I didnt make it to semi finals so I dont know for sure

proven whale
sinful lantern
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okay sorry last questions D:

So I queue on discord, I match with someone. Then we have to fight each other just to show 3 cards we each want to ban? Then we end that match as its only to show what cards to ban and then we actually do the match with the decks we using? Trying to get a step-by-step understanding pls

rich wasp
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no

slow mason
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theres no banning here

rich wasp
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just queue any deck and play a bo1

slow mason
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you just play a normal best of one without showing anything

sinful lantern
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ohhh

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okay ty

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sorry

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first time

slow mason
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no worries

crystal tapir
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dont worry about anything unless you top 16

mint juniper
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I already registered, but am unsure as to what to do next. I was going to double check the rules at the official link, but it's just a broken page now?
Here is the official tweet directing to the same page as well: https://twitter.com/AstraCarnival/status/1696100314573640003?s=20

I only watched the Register Instructions and hadn't gotten around to the second video regarding Prelims (I think it was about it anyway)

Just a little lost 'cause Registration Phase is showing as not yet over yet in the #🎫register info

Travelers, the HoYoverse-authorized, Tavern-hosted Cat's Tail Gathering S4 Genius Invokation TCG Tournament is officially open for registration!

Register for a chance to win an event-exclusive Card Back and Primogem rewards!

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crystal tapir
mint juniper
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I don' t think I even know how to

play as you would matchmaking

slow mason
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you press this start button on the appropriate time frame for you

frozen pike
mint juniper
wary heron
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btw

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i have a question

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so the card back stays the same

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from s3?

polar barn
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@wary heron Yes

wary heron
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ah ok

thick charm
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well tournament starts soon and my nerves are peaking

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I went 3-0 in heated battle mode but that's not giving me much confidence considering the giant losing streak that preceded it

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how are y'all feeling about your upcoming games? Going confident, hyped, scared?

polar barn
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||Scared I might win this fr||

thick charm
twilit steppe
hallow lance
thick charm
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I have a single deck that I like to play 4 times a week every week, so whenever I play with friends I guess they're bored of me lol

twilit steppe
hallow lance
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none of my friends even wants to play tcg 😔

tropic slate
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no morning queue?

slow mason
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sadly no

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I feel baited

tropic slate
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oh wait they offset the 7 day period so we get a morning queue next monday

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this wasn't exactly what I had in mind when I asked for a catch-up day but I guess it kind of works

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would be nicer to just have an 8 day period but

narrow dew
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;-;

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why hasnt it started yet :(

hallow lance
#

cause it hasn't passed the mentioned time yet

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queues dont start until the event starts, which starts in 1 hour

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then look for the first queue of ur server after that time

timid marsh
ancient spindle
#

hmm

frigid sundial
polar barn
shadow tartan
#

I'm sad that I'm willing to put myself through this again

#

But overall I'm have a good feeling, plus I'm a veteran loser by now

#

If I feel like things aren't working out I'll just quit on the third day

#

Should've made an european account when I had the chance though

#

Now they're actually playing wth

slow mason
#

I always play with the expectation that I'm going to lose or am going to have a disfavourable match up so I can't get disappointed by the outcome

steep pendant
#

Can you only use one deck?

slow mason
#

you can change your deck for every match

steep pendant
#

Oh that's good

#

I should probably start preparing and making sure my decks aren't bad or something (they're all handmade no guides ;-;)

#

I found it more fun to make my own, and they're not that bad

long pivot
steep pendant
#

XD

slow mason
#

making your own decks is fine, I would just say you should do a good bit of practice in match making to know how to counter popular decks

steep pendant
#

Right. I don't know which are popular, but I do practice a lot

#

And I went into the heated battle thing and haven't lost yet

#

But two people quit right away lol

long pivot
#

hmm, did the tournament start yet?

steep pendant
#

Prelim? No

#

Gotta wait till the time or something

#

Anyone wanna test decks? QiqiLurk

solar aspen
solar aspen
solar aspen
solar aspen
steep pendant
#

Yay! I'm editing my deck rq but I'll be ready soon EiKyaa

solar aspen
solar aspen
steep pendant
#

Right, it was kinda easy

solar aspen
#

What’s your AR? Want me to join your world or wanna come to mine once you’re ready?

steep pendant
#

I'm 56

solar aspen
#

I’m 60, so it’s up to you :3

steep pendant
#

Oh, I set my wl to 7 bc building still

#

So if yours is 8 I can't come lol

solar aspen
#

It's ok, send me your UID 🙂 want me to add you as friend or just join your world?

steep pendant
#

You can friend ^^

#

I'm in match tho so I can't check it rn ;-;

solar aspen
#

Take your time

#

I'll be waiting for it 🙂

steep pendant
#

It's Oki it was just a basic char invite match, I'm just about done >:3

#

All done!

solar aspen
#

Ok!

#

What's your UID? :3

steep pendant
#

663111727

solar aspen
#

Perfect, I'll start the game and add you :3

steep pendant
slow mason
#

I need to get nitro just so I can use that diona sticker elsewhere

steep pendant
#

You can download it

slow mason
#

Fair actually

steep pendant
#

If not, you can look up diona stamps png online 😄

solar aspen
#

Request sent :3

steep pendant
#

Here we gooo

#

Oops I forgot to change liyue bg ;-;

solar aspen
#

Aww

steep pendant
#

when you go too fast and equip the wrong artifact

#

excited Xiao screeching

solar aspen
#

Hahaha

steep pendant
#

excited Lisa screeching

#

excited kinoko screeching bc opponent comeback

#

Wowow good game

solar aspen
#

Hahaha

steep pendant
#

Alright, I'll test next deck

#

Oop noooo I did same one on accident

solar aspen
#

Haha

steep pendant
#

I'll concede ;-;

solar aspen
#

Ok!

steep pendant
#

Nooo I did it again

#

Omg whyyyy

#

I'm so sorry lmao

solar aspen
#

Hahaha, lmao

#

It's ok xD

steep pendant
#

There lmao

#

Uses all dice in one turn KokoShock

#

There's obviously a downside to that, your opponent gets to attack a bunch and you can't do anything

#

Exited Rhodeia screeching

#

no hydro dice screeching

#

sad Rhodeia noises

#

very sad Rhodeia noises

#

amazed kinoko noises

#

Wow this is close

#

Nice job!!

#

Equipping that bow at the end cost me the game

solar aspen
#

Haha

#

Yeah

#

Thanks! I'll have to do some chores rn

#

But later will be free again

steep pendant
#

Oki

solar aspen
#

If you wanna keep playing ^^

#

Thanks!

steep pendant
solar aspen
#

Gg! It was quite fun :3

warm radish
#

When r we playing bc I didn’t receive anything today

#

Have we technically started just have to queue now? In that prelim thing?

cursive gazelle
#

for NA the next queue window starts about an hour from now

pearl fern
#

yeah the official start was just after the normal morning NA queue time, so even though it's "started" NA hasn't had it's first queue

cursive gazelle
#

sad why didnt they just make the start time earlier for NA and asia to play immediately sadcat

pearl fern
#

no idea, but because of how the queue windows work one region is always going to fire immediately while the other 2 have to wait

#

I imagine for fairness they prob rotate which region starts first

#

because I do remember previously NA windows have started right away? Unless I'm mistaken

tropic slate
#

They did, yes

#

but my hypothesis is that they staggered it this way to provide kind of a flex day?

#

if the match limit still increases overnight (by NA time) then we now have the morning period next monday as a 'catch-up' time when the match limit isn't increasing

#

but I'm not sure if the match limit is increasing overnight or at noon

solar aspen
#

Does anyone know if we're allowed to stream our matches in Twitch to record the duels?

pearl fern
#

should be fine RyoPeek I think the TOs are happy to have more exposure that way

steep pendant
#

Also, I forgot how many duels per day ;w;

Is it three?

pearl fern
#

you get 5, so 35 total

steep pendant
#

Ohh, thank you!

#

One last question... What is Joyous celebration used for?

#

The only thing I could think would be to escape elemental reactions

pearl fern
#

that's pretty much the only thing it's good for but still wouldn't recommend using it myself

cursive gazelle
#

its for cleansing aura ya

steep pendant
#

Right, I was sad because it's one of the prettiest cards in TCG imo 😭

cursive gazelle
#

only useful against specific decks in specific situations GanyUh

steep pendant
#

Hope they buff it or change

twilit steppe
#

I wonder if it would be better if they changed it to 0 cost QiqiWGS

rich pecan
#

idk why im nervous for prelims ;-;

steep pendant
#

You can do it bagel!

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Also, is wind and freedom worth it?

steep pendant
pearl fern
#

I dunno the difference between 0 and 1 cost is pretty huge. If you make it cost 0 it might just be too default include for any deck that isn't running another arcane

twilit steppe
steep pendant
#

I saw, nice work

pearl fern
#

you can make a good argument for mondstadt res to be the best location res of the 4

steep pendant
#

But it seems like you have to set up first

rich pecan
pearl fern
#

right, but the setup is you performing regular game actions which is defeating opposing chars. You just need to have 1 spare dice on the needed turn

steep pendant
#

Plus I'm worried about not having enough dice to act again then it's wasted

cursive gazelle
#

its best used with gambler ofc

pearl fern
#

if you can't use it then you can't use it. But then it's not any different from another card that isn't a 0 cost

cursive gazelle
#

just need to count your dice before you move

pearl fern
#

there's very few cards in your deck that will be 0 cost but have a significant impact on the game

steep pendant
#

Right, I've been working on that. /0 use really are op

#

I'm debating swap vanarana for wind and freedom

hybrid whale
steep pendant
#

Which one

hybrid whale
#

Mond res

steep pendant
#

Ok

hybrid whale
#

Sorry I meant 1 copy of mond res

steep pendant
#

Right, I got it SataniaThumbsUp

rose perch
#

5 mins

steep pendant
#

Yaaaayyy

rose perch
#

are we all rushing in when q opens or waiting to snipe someone

steep pendant
#

Rushing

#

1 min aaaaa

hallow lance
#

so how dis work

#

after we get pinged

steep pendant
#

There should be instructions

eager mesa
#

queue live

#

queue live

steep pendant
#

From what I understand, we join world, battle, submit result

rich pecan
eager mesa
#

yes

steep pendant
#

Yes, it should be instructed too

cursive gazelle
hushed vortex
#

wait do we no longer need screenshots for results

tropic slate
#

no, not for the last few

#

hyv has ways of confirming the results on the backend

crystal tapir
#

how does skill based matchmaking work when lb is counted by wins despairge

#

so if you win more youre gonna lose more
if you lose more youre gonna win more

#

its gonna even out

pearl fern
#

that's kind of how swiss tournaments work though. Top records play each other. it mostly ends up being a wash since everyone is in the same boat

#

just means the upper records usually not as high

crystal tapir
#

yea except this isnt swiss

pearl fern
#

true, it's trying to be swiss-like though if you pair like records YanfeiThink

crystal tapir
#

some players play 5 games a day while others dump 35 into the last 2 days

pearl fern
#

but yeah not quite there

sinful lantern
crystal tapir
#

yea but it stacks

sinful lantern
#

wym

hushed vortex
tropic slate
#

they also presumably have ways of confirming whether or not we forfeit

#

though I still have no idea why that's considered worthy of a strike

#

if one of the admins could illuminate, it would be nice

#

to save from having to play through another round or two when I already know I'm going to lose

crystal tapir
#

apparently due to "sportsmanship"

tropic slate
#

forfeiting is better sportsmanship

crystal tapir
#

but it feel like reverse sportmanship because its just stalling out a game

tropic slate
#

like in chess for example, you're expected to forfeit when you're obviously going to lose, instead of stringing the game out

crystal tapir
#

^^

#

this tbh

#

admitting defeat is also a form of respect

tropic slate
#

also, are strikes given only at the end or at the moment when the offense occurs

#

if I've earned a strike by conceding, then how am I meant to know?

crystal tapir
tropic slate
#

that's not a choice that anyone else should be making for me, but me

crystal tapir
#

remember your opponent can always be ddos and lose

tropic slate
#

winning that way would feel worse

crystal tapir
#

it was a joke...

tropic slate
#

I honestly don't understand this perspective

#

how can you be robbed of a victory, if your opponent just conceded that you won

#

and why is the winner's value in seeing that victory through, worth more than the loser's frustration at having to sit through it?

#

if I'm sitting on a barbara at 6hp against a full team of 3 at 8hp each

crystal tapir
#

you cant just "try more" if youre losing youre losing

tropic slate
#

there is literally no scenario where I win and feel good about it

#

it might take them a while but they will kill me and there's nothing I can do about it so I may as well save us both five minutes, right

crystal tapir
#

yea you can postpone losing by 2 turn

#

and then?

#

lets say i play ls and my ning gets sniped

#

what am i going to do

#

heal on barb and koko for another 20 mins?

tropic slate
#

^

#

this would be way worse sportsmanship than conceding on the spot

rose depot
#

it's not that hard to forcefully concede lol

#

if the game is over

#

just keep passing and ending the round

#

surely they can do enough damage to outdo your totm..... right

crystal tapir
#

thats true but the point is that the rule is badge

slow galleon
#

Do you get a card back by winning 3 matches in the preliminary phase?

rose depot
#

oh the rule is dumb

#

yes

rose depot
#

winning 3 isn't too bad

#

3/35 record isn't asking for much 😮

crystal tapir
#

just win 3/35

slow galleon
#

So if we just want to win the card back, win at least 3 times and then how do we continue? Just keep playing matches? Would get banned if I stopped after 3 matches?

crystal tapir
#

you can stop whenever

#

but winning more can get you cash and primo and welkin

#

and entry to bigger tournaments

slow galleon
#

Yeah, I suppose I could try. As for deck requirements, can we use the same deck every match?

#

I saw something about 3 different decks for the Knockout matches, but what even are these matches?

tropic slate
#

that only matters if you get top 16 in the preliminaries

#

focus on the prelims for now, then if you make it you have a week to prepare and familiarize yourself with knockout rules

slow galleon
#

Ah I see

#

I will try my best then

#

At least, for the primos (I assume the quota is 5 matches per day, for a week which makes 35) which the quota is 5, whether you win or lose you can only get 5 matches to count right?

rose perch
#

seems like no fun is allowed every match is meta decks

rich pecan
inner dagger
#

Tournaments are very competitive so is normal

slow galleon
#

Me neither I just do the same bloom team, I don't really know what is meta

rich pecan
slow galleon
#

Also thank you those who helped me earlier

inner dagger
#

Ty

rich pecan
#

honestly my deck is performing better than i expected it to

steep pendant
#

Bc you're good bagel be more confident

rich wasp
rich pecan
rich pecan
#

is the timmie card good?

steep pendant
#

Meh

rich pecan
#

ive seen it twice now

eager mesa
eager mesa
#

which is every combo deck and some midrange decks like AEC

eager mesa
#

it's a woven + free card, but you have to commit to which turn you need it

#

Agent EC

rich pecan
#

ohhhhh

eager mesa
#

so agent oceanid + fischl/yae

tropic slate
eager mesa
#

tbh I think it's a combination of 2 things
a vestige from when screenshots were required
and a measure to prevent wintrading

crystal tapir
#

not allowing conceding is a very bad way to prevent wintrading

#

in fact it doesnt even prevent it at all

inner dagger
#

I see more countenders every tournament , nice HuTaoPray

rich wasp
#

the amount of contenders will level off after a bit

eager mesa
rich wasp
#

normally

#

theres only a lot of players day 1 sadge

eager mesa
#

it's more that since it does something it becomes hard to justify removing

rose depot
#

i mean

#

the sportsmanship part doesn't matter

#

because the host can see on the backend the results of every game

#

it's as simple as looking at a timeframe of when the game takes place

#

checking when the 2 uid's played

#

if at all

#

and then logging the results

#

that's how they resolve any misreported results

rich pecan
#

9th aint to bad

#

w/l is 3/2

rich wasp
#

when to queue Kleevil

crystal tapir
#

🙏

twilit steppe
hybrid whale
slow mason
sinful lantern
#

if I only do 3 fights today instead of 5, do the 2 remaining move over to tomorrow?

rich wasp
#

yes

pearl fern
#

could've used it

crystal tapir
#

srry i forgor blep worrypat

tropic slate
#

its ok blep

#

now you're guaranteed to not queue into nyahida any more

pearl fern
#

RyoPeek it's fine I'm not playing to make KOs anyway right now I rarely have time

rose depot
#

i got skill difference'd

#

opponent went to 0 cards in hand

#

doesnt run any consistency cards

#

and just rolled perfect dice every round

#

well...... .-. okay i guess

chrome sandal
#

I’ve never played any meta decks before and don’t know what to do,,, Everyone is so strong someone save meeeee =,-)))

pearl fern
#

hopefully with the matchmaking it'll at least be easier for ppl who just want the card back to go with their 3 wins RyoPeek we'll see

crystal tapir
#

3 wins was always easy even for newcomers tho

slow heart
#

In a couple day it will all be bin shenhe sc necHuTaoWheeze

slow mason
#

What happens if you somehow made it?

crystal tapir
#

hes gonna cast himself ofc

#

xD

slow mason
#

I mean he could

crystal tapir
#

itll be quite entertaining actually

slow mason
#

Since it's casting the recording

crystal tapir
#

blep is a good caster imo

#

can explain things to beginner well

slow mason
#

He can give a first hand account of why he made his plays

pearl fern
slow mason
#

I see

pearl fern
#

it's usually better not to cast your own matches KekDoggo

rich wasp
#

any way to apply for casting

pearl fern
#

there's a time and place for that but the stream is not it

pearl fern
slow mason
#

SI casting?

#

It's been a long time since I've seen you cast a tournament

rich wasp
pearl fern
#

realistic answer - I don't think there's a real way unless you get a reasonable social following on the level of the existing casters for CTG for the other regions YanfeiThink

crystal tapir
pearl fern
#

I kind of fell into it by coincidence and from being involved with the moderation side already and helping organize early stuff

#

despite not having any CC presence

#

so more of an exception

slow mason
#

Make a youtube channel and tell people from gitcg to subscribe

slow mason
#

You already do twitch anyway

rich wasp
#

yes i do twitch

#

grand total of, what

#

4 streams in the past 6 months xd

crystal tapir
#

subscribe to si guys

#

or he will beat you up

#

in prelims

tropic slate
#

does this mean that if i queue into SI I can subscribe in exchange for not getting beaten up?

tropic slate
#

noted

#

it will surely happen eventually

ancient spindle
#

0-35 SI possible ?

rich wasp
#

so if each subscriber is

#

$5

#

i make $105

#

in exchange for going 0-35

#

yaethunk thats quite good

#

i can go 0-35 on my alt too to make $210

ancient spindle
crystal tapir
#

Si check your paypal 🙃

ancient spindle
#

I should make my own twich channel then

solar aspen
#

that wouldn't be fair

#

I'm streaming from my replays :3

solar aspen
arctic valve
#

maybe making time can make your opponent get into a power shortage?

crystal tapir
#

Lightning can strike

#

(Irl)

#

Truege

solar aspen
slow mason
#

4-1 is pretty good congrats

solar aspen
solar aspen
solar aspen
slow mason
#

People play for the card back

solar aspen
#

btw, what does the card in the friends profile mean? are they in the middle of a duel?

slow mason
#

Or think they can make it to the leaderboard with 3.3 ayamiya

#

And then retire after realizing it's not broken anymore

solar aspen
# slow mason People play for the card back

I play for the back card as a short term goal, but mostly because I like TCG and my Genshin friends are not so much into it, haha. Sorry if I reply a lot around, I'm really glad to have found this chat

slow mason
#

No worries, I feel like I reply a lot too

solar aspen
#

s

#

xD

#

omg, we can observe duels

slow mason
#

Could you send a screenshot, I'm not sure what you're referring to

solar aspen
#

I have Kinoko as a friend

#

so in my friend list there appears a backcard

#

besides their Lyney (sorry about the pronouns, English is not my native language)

#

I was a able to enter in a observe mode

slow mason
#

So we know how match making works by the way?

#

As in how it matches with someone of similar skill

solar aspen
slow mason
#

In the previous seasons of tavern when you matched someone it was completely random but in this one it's supposed to be matching you with people of similar skill

solar aspen
#

Oh, about that. The only information I can provide is all my opponents were around the same AR as me

slow mason
#

Ar probably doesn't play a role in it

arctic valve
twilit steppe
slow mason
arctic valve
slow mason
#

Like what happens with me who hasn't played any game yet, do I play against people with 0 wins and 5 losses tomorrow

inner dagger
#

I'm that score nowcri

arctic valve
#

after that the system will search for opponents with rougly the same W/L as you

#

the thing that i dont know how is being handled is when the system match you with someone with more played games than you

solar aspen
#

well, I played against 55, 56, 58 and 60 AR

arctic valve
#

i dont think the ar matters on this

solar aspen
#

if not, then it probably does

slow mason
#

32

#

When you unlock tcg

solar aspen
#

even when the event takes place in Mondstad, you gotta be able to travel across most regions to have a chance to duel against other nations NPC and buy/win cards, isn't it?

slow mason
#

I mean

#

You can do all that at ar 32

solar aspen
solar aspen
slow mason
#

You haven't heard the legend of the 11 harbingers of kirano

#

You'll see in due time but kirano plays in all regions of cat's tail and specifically grinded accounts to 32 for it

#

At least I think he grinded the accounts for tcg, I'm not sure if he already had them

pearl fern
#

AR32 accounts most threatening

hybrid whale
#

Gee I wonder who won almost all his matches across 3 servers last time QiqiLurk

#

Seriously that guy is nuts

slow mason
#

Many players have done that

#

Those are usually people who play tcg more than genshin itself

solar aspen
#

interesting

slow mason
#

That's why we fear ar 32 people

solar aspen
#

hahahaha

#

it makes sense!

slow mason
#

I also have an ar 32 asia account

solar aspen
#

I thought no one came to Genshin just for TCG

#

since mostly I have heard about people hating it

slow mason
#

I believe people from genshin are the ones who don't like the tcg

supple marsh
#

afaik all who said so are Abyss mains

solar aspen
#

I kinda love the whole of it. I wish I was better with spaces so I could spare more time in the teapot

slow mason
#

The tcg is pretty good as a tcg the only reason why there aren't more tcg players of other games that come to gitcg is because of the barrier to entry that is reaching ar 32

supple marsh
#

some people have been discussing making GITCG its own game to avoid tying too much into the main game

#

... turns out GITCG is also a canon event

solar aspen
#

I enjoyed Yu-gi-oh! back thenn but it was hella expensive. Also, I kinda hated what the game became once the pendulum we

slow mason
#

Some people probably cant make hoyo do it

solar aspen
#

were added*

rich wasp
#

pends Despairge

slow mason
#

I liked pendulums

#

But the game is too expensive for me

rich wasp
#

play master duel instead Gladge

slow mason
#

Too hard to keep up when my budget is less than 0

rich wasp
#

its a wip

thorny oyster
#

👀

slow mason
sullen walrus
#

5 game today, I faced a total of 4 Shenhe Sc

solar aspen
sullen walrus
#

Maybe should start running double send off in every deck

rich wasp
#

ive had about 20 people dm me asking about whether i know if someone is working on a gitcg sim lmao

slow mason
#

Somewhat unsure about the legality of it though

rich wasp
#

bc they want to work on their own

#

all the way back in 3.3 people tried and no one has ever finished the project

slow mason
#

Guessing hoyo wouldn't care enough so it's probably fine

rich wasp
#

outside of playing on google sheets

#

or sigma's incomplete sim but that one is pretty good

slow mason
supple marsh
slow mason
#

It'll happen eventually but not by hoyo

cyan zinc
#

oh

#

then sure

supple marsh
#

I mean that's why I mentioned it's a canon event

slow mason
#

Unless the tcg dies before someone does it

supple marsh
#

because it is, in fact, a canon event

#

it's in the story, hence the entire AR32 thing and physical Cat's Tail building

cyan zinc
#

what's a canon event?

supple marsh
#

basically a key event of the story

#

of course TCG is just a side thing, but it ties a lot into the world around it

#

and some of the later 3.x patches are literally TCG event patches

#

(not to mention that Kirara's existence was only justified by that one TCG-powered heist)

slow mason
#

She was?

#

I should really pay more attention to quest

#

Oh wait I remember

rich wasp
#

not on leaderboard day 1 ohno

#

thats a new one

#

NA too hard

#

time to hop on asia alt

slow mason
#

Man

#

If SI isn't on leaderboard day one what hope do I have

supple marsh
#

SBMM, baby

woven mulch
#

I'm ready to play my matches for the tournament today. I'm still trying to figure this out. How do I set up my match?

crystal tapir
#

si likes staying below lb so dodge snipers...

sinful lantern
#

What happens if people queue and get a match before the time slot is over and finish the duel after the time slot is over? Would it count?

woven mulch
#

I'm realizing i may have screwed myself doing it this late in the day

steady fjord
#

guys what do i do if my opponent conceded?

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do i have to report it?

strange peak
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Did he confirmed the loss?

steady fjord
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yes

strange peak
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You could just tell him that forfeiting is a strike, but if he confirmed then there's no harm

steady fjord
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ok then

solar aspen
rare sentinel
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so it's just

rich wasp
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wdym

rare sentinel
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3 wins to get the card back right

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it can be the same person? cause i fought the same guy twice already

solar aspen
strange peak
# steady fjord ok then

Some people new to the tournament doesn't know or read all the rules... so better just inform them so they won't repeat the same mistake later

rare sentinel
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ALSO how many games are we allowed to play

strange peak
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5 per day

steady fjord
rare sentinel
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thank you!

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also sorry that i conceded, but thank you for the game and for not penalizing 😭

steady fjord
rare sentinel
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no i read it but i just completely forgot

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i appreciate it

solar aspen
woven mulch
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Anyone have the link for the full rules for the tournament and the procedures? I want to watch those info videos.

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Also, I was only able to get one match this day, does this mean i'm screwed for this tourney?

chrome sandal
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Nope!! Your unplayed games will carry onto the next day so you’re safe, don’t worry!!

chrome sandal
solar aspen
chrome sandal
solar aspen
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haha, I see!

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thought you were talking about banned cards or anything like that

wary heron
chrome sandal
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Ohhh haha

woven mulch
woven mulch
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and food for thought: Mona Teams' use of her ability is both their strength AND their weakness.

tropic slate
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how do you mean?

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the fast swap?

arctic valve
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yus

polar barn
slow mason
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SI is a great player

long ledge
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The final boss of NA BugCatNodPink

solar aspen
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haha

slow mason
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also known as robot wizard or StupidIdiot (the reason behind his nick name)

solar aspen
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I see

slow mason
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he's also the reason why I had to stop insulting myself by calling myself a stupid idiot

solar aspen
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hahahaha

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not worthy?

slow mason
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the phrase lost it's meaning

solar aspen
#

the community lore sounds interesting

slow mason
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now stupid idiot just translate to an amazing GITCG player

slow mason
solar aspen
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what are their achievements?

slow mason
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north america champion of prince cup

solar aspen
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nice

thorny oyster
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he won all cats tail gathering alpha

polar barn
slow mason
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he's been playing for very long and has done really well in tournaments since the first weekly in 3.3

solar aspen
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We should start giving them archon names

polar barn
solar aspen
polar barn
slow mason
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old?

solar aspen
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What does SUC stand for?

slow mason
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dumb

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nothing important

polar barn
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U are better than **

polar barn
woven mulch
# tropic slate the fast swap?

Exactly, it's a flexible tool to get you into the right set-up or out of a tight situation. But it runs a risk of ending your turn too soon and leave you open at the end of a turn. This is why pacing and slowing down is sometimes better than rushing your turn.

polar barn
crystal tapir
long ledge
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He has plot armor BugCatNodPink

crystal tapir
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extremely thick plot armor

polar barn
solar aspen
long ledge
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True

solar aspen
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main theme sounds when comes online in the chat

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anyways, I still have a slot available in my records history. Does anyone wanna play a friendly round?

slow mason
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I would volunteer to duel you

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but I rather save it for when we meet in tavern match making

long ledge
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Damn

solar aspen
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"mm"?

slow mason
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mm is match making

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though it can sometimes refear to mirror maiden

solar aspen
slow mason
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I'm sure we will

long ledge
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don't expect much though, i'm pretty bad at this game